1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks. Ten takeaways from Week thirteen 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and Red Lewis. What's up everybody? 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by Zaxby's DJ Bucky Ratt. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Back with you boys. It was an interesting week into football, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: and I think we could do an entire takeaway podcast 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: solely on the quarterback position. Yeah, like DJ, each and 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: every week we see these quarterbacks take these quantum leaves, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: sometimes because of the plate caller, but also we've seen 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the regression of some of the quarterbacks that we thought 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: would be stars in this league. And how about the 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: fantastic finishes we had in the early window, in particular, 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: you had five games coming down to the final possession, 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: You had a sixth go down to an odd site kick. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun to be had in 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: this week thirteen, A wild week, right, Why don't you 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: kick us off with the first attend takeaways? What do 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: you got? Oh boy? Zero Blintz zero wins still and 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: they got they come got it off. Here comes cars 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: come back. Now he comes up gonna fire again. Left 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: side going first, Rugs, Rugs has gottas touchdown. Jack Pott Ferry, 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Vegas touchdown, Vegas touchdown. Jack Pott hat away, Wow, Well 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: you want to get the ball to Rugs, you say, 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: get the battle rugs bread there you go. So, to 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: be fair, we often criticize defensive coordinators and head coaches 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: for changing up their game plan late in the game, 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: going to that prevent defense and allowing teams to march 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: down the field. And you wonder, why get rid of 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: something that you've been doing all game that's worked. Um, 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: this was not that Okay. To illustrate how unprecedented this was, 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: let me just tell you that since two thousand and six, 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: there have been three hundred and seventy nine plays in 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: the final twenty seconds of the fourth quarter where the 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: offense was trailing by four to eight points. Only nine 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: times has a defense blitzed five or more rushers. So 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: like one extra rusher, the Jets sent eight, leaving Lamar Jackson, 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie free agent, one on one with the 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: first wide receiver taken in this last year's draft and 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: arguably the fastest player in football. And they paid for 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: it dearly and as unfortunate as it always is when 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: there is coaching turnover, Greg Williams paid for it with 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: his job. He has been fired as the defensive coordinator 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: for the Jets, and on it goes. The Jets felt 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: like they could taste their first win after that fourth 44 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: down stop, and then of course the Raiders figure it out. 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: But this was unbelievable to see that kind of call late, 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: and according to Mike Silver told us about it on 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Game Day final last night, the Raiders expected it because 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: of Greg Williams's ego is reputation wanting to come after 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback and win with a play like that rather 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: than not lose. So it came back to by him 51 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: this time. It didn't come back to buy him. And 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: here's the thing. And I won't give Greg Williams a 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: pass on the call, but I can understand why he 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: might have been spooked enough to dial up a pressure. 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: The play before, they're playing a soft zone and Nelson 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Agila runs by the back end of the defense and 57 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: that's why it opened. Derek Carr just misses him. The 58 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: next play, Greg Williams decides, uh no, we're gonna hit 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: him up. We're not gonna give him that kind of time. 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I think the bad thing about this is really the 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: lack of execution, not only from Lamar Jackson because he's rookie. 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to understand the situation, keep the 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: ball in front, don't go for the double moves and 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the like. But when you dial up covers ebra blitz, 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: you can't have the linebacker just kind of hanging around 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: the box and not blitzing because your corners like that. Um, 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: they're counting on the pressure to make the ball come 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: out quick. And so I would say it wasn't a 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: where you call, but the execution or lecter of also 70 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: needs to be talked about. Yeah, I mean the confusing 71 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: part about that. Has thought there was a chance he 72 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: might have been checking to see if if the back 73 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: or the tight end was going to release. You know, 74 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to get caught naked. And they just 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: dumped the ball down to a back or a tight end, 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: you've got nobody for him. So I thought that's why 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: there was some hesitancy. I don't know if it's a linebacker, 78 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: the safety who was the one dropped down there who 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: just kind of hung and didn't didn't end up coming, 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: But you can't you can't make that call. I know 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Buck about that ball to Aglar. But 82 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, if you need to need to get 83 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: your guys together and say, hey, just keep it in front, man, 84 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: just just play with depth, keep it in front. I 85 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: always like, if you want to play, if you want 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: to play two man or whatever, and just park those 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: safeties in in the in the parking lot and then 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: go that route. But man, it's not only that coverage, 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: but then the Rett touched on the individual matchup. You've 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: got undrafted rookie free Asian out there who takes the cheese, 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: as we like to say, on the double move, which 92 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. You'd hope that you'd have better rings than that. 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: But but you know who you're playing with. Its Lamar Jackson, 94 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent who you're just trying to piece meal 95 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: a game together, and you've got him out there on 96 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: an island with Henry Ruggs and just, yeah, you don't 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: want to see somebody lose their job. But I wasn't 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: necessarily surprised to see that that that happened. All right, 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: let's keep us moving here. Let's go to the second takeaway. Uh, 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: let's go to the Chiefs in that big Sunday night 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: when coffees for closers, blocked feet Stangard left. Tanish takes 102 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: the snap at his left knee. She's trying to get 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: pressure pass. He's gonna be on a second this time. 104 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: The Honey Badger gets his second of the game. Tyron 105 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Matthew his second picking in the game and his fifth 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: of the season. You can't trick the Honey Badger late 107 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: in the game, and the Kansas City Chiefs get the 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: huge they turnover to close the game again. I was 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: thinking about I was just thinking about the ability to 110 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: close games for the Kansas City Chiefs. And when you 111 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: look at the elements you need to be a good 112 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: closer in the NFL. You've got to have let's say 113 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: you're behind, right, you're chasing. You gotta close out a game. 114 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: You gotta finish. You've got an electric quarterback who can 115 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: make plays, and you've got a money kicker who's good 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: from fifty eight, you know, sixty yards, he's he's automatic 117 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: and bucker. So you've got that from an offensive standpoint, 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: chasing points, you've got guys that can help your close 119 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: games and finish that way. And then you look at 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: defensively to have a pass rush and you see it 121 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: with Chris Jones and his ability to create pressure on 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the interior, his ability and then you you heard Tyron 123 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: Matthew there with a pick to be able to close 124 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: games out with playmakers on the back end, I think 125 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: they have the best closing combination in the NFL and Buck. 126 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: The last thing I would add here is wouldn't advantage 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: in a four minute offense. We just got done talking 128 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: about the Jets. If the Jets could have got another 129 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: first down, they wouldn't have got given the ball back 130 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: to the Raiders for them to go down and finish 131 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: that game. Well, they ran the ball because you want 132 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: to eat clock, you run the ball and punt. Well, 133 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: when you've got Patrick Mahomes, you don't have to just 134 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: run the ball. You can trust him and the fact 135 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: that you can get him on the move a little bit. 136 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: If he's got a completion, he'll take it. It'll keep 137 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: the clock moving. If not, he'll get down and keep 138 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: the clock moving. But they give themselves more opportunities to 139 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: eat clock and to close games from that standpoint because 140 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: you can trust your quarterback to not just turn around 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: hand the ball off. You can actually let him throw 142 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: the football into four men at offense. It is. It's 143 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: an advantage they have over the rest of the league 144 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: that to me, I don't think it's talked about a lot. No, 145 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: it's not talked about a lot. And I think the 146 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes factor. We always talk about his talent and 147 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: how he's just a generational talent at the position, but 148 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I think we need to talk more about his mind, 149 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: his intelligence, his instincts, his awareness because you're right, DJ 150 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: third in the game on the line, you need the 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: a's a guy to have it moment. They put the 152 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: ball in the hands of their best player and they 153 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: trust him to make the right decision, and so it 154 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: just speaks volumes about who he is. I also believe 155 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: on tomorrow's podcast, we might need to talk more about 156 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: that closer and that closing combination because that's an interesting, 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: uh little combination that you came up with quarterback, kicker, 158 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: pass rusher and playmaker in the secondary. I like that. 159 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Let me explore that. Yeah, but guys that we're burying 160 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: the lead here with this game because for the first 161 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: time in known football history, a wide receiver actually thought 162 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: he didn't catch a touchdown pass on a questionable call. 163 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: Tyree Hill I mean the ball never hit the ground 164 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: on that would be touchdown from Patrick Mahomes sliding in 165 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: the end zone, pops out of his hands and minute 166 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: it never hits the ground, he catches it again and 167 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: he was just like, no, I guess all right, and 168 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: complete fine, I didn't catch it. I mean, I've never 169 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: seen it before, even if it's a blatantly obvious drop 170 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: where it hits the ground a wide receivers popping up 171 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: calling from the challenge. Andy Reid's like, all right, I 172 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: guess he didn't catch it. They didn't make a case 173 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: for it, and they left six points on the board. 174 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: That was unbelievable. But I also thought this part was 175 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: interesting too because for a contender, you've talked about the 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: ability to close, and I think that's really important. I 177 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: thought the quote from Patrick Mahomes afterwards was actually really 178 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: interesting talking about this team being battle tested, understanding they 179 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: played in a lot of tight football games, especially this 180 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: season here, and they found ways to win. Every single 181 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: team is gonna bring their best shot, he said, and 182 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: I think our guys did a great job of battling 183 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: today and finding a way, which you know, I guess 184 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: for a team like that with that kind of explosive ability. 185 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: You don't think about them in these kind of dog 186 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: fight type of games with a lesser opponent, right, But 187 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: I just I feel like this just further's further builds 188 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: their resume as a championship contender because they're showing us 189 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: the different ways that they can win and will win 190 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: and have the ability to win down the stretch. And 191 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: I think it only serves them well, even if it 192 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: wasn't as impressive of victory as we normally see from 193 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I just think about having a sparring partner. 194 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: To me, when you have a sparring partner and you 195 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: get yourself into the deep rounds, how many times have 196 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: you seen in boxing or in m m A where 197 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: you see guys that are dominant fighters, but they usually 198 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: handle their business in the first or second round, and 199 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get taken out into the 200 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: deep water and oh know how to handle themselves? Yeah, 201 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: they get theirselves in trouble. And to me, I think 202 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: this Chief's team now has had a chance to to 203 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: play in those in those later rounds, and I think 204 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: that's gonna help them as they go forward. Buck, what's 205 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: your first takeaway? My first takeaway, Baker serves up the Titans. 206 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Hey kill from under center play action, Bake blue legs 207 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: are not to the right. He's throwing down the right 208 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: cycle and he's got people's chocks right up and he's 209 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: gone twenty ten time touch on shot five yards on 210 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: one play. This was by far Baker Mayfield's best performance 211 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. It was a high stage contest. 212 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: There was pressure on him to deliver. Everyone was looking 213 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: at this contest to see is Baker good enough to 214 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: help the Browns not only get in the playoffs, but 215 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: can they do some noise. He responded in splendid fashion. 216 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: Uh four testdowns, had three hunder yard game. And what 217 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: I liked about him is he was an attack mode 218 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: from the jump. He was accurate, he was efficient, He 219 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: was really good with his decision making in terms of 220 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: making sure that he kept the ball out of arms way, 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: and it really enabled the Browns to jump on the 222 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Later on. They were able to get the 223 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: running game going and do all that other stuff, and 224 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: they did had to kind of hold off for dear life, 225 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: but a very impressive first half. And if this is 226 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the version of Baker that we see from the Browns 227 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: down the stretch and in the postseason, this is a 228 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: team that teams do not want to face. Baker Mayfield 229 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: summoning the ghost of Batto Graham with four first half 230 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: passing touchdowns time Graham's franchise record. Then they come down 231 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: in the final minute after the Baker touchdown past number 232 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: four and Nick Chubb gets in it. It's got thirty 233 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: eight points in the first half. You think they were 234 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: ready to play this game. You think they were ready 235 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: to prove that they belonged on this stage with a 236 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: team like the Titans to be considered among the real 237 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: contenders here in the A f c Um on the 238 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: flip type for Tennessee. Did Derrick Henry just look a 239 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: little sluggish, do you guys? In this game? That's kind 240 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: of always how he looks. He just needs a little 241 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: bit of a run and Cleveland didn't give him one. 242 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: Here you're going a little penetration in the backfield. We 243 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: saw that on the turnover Henry's first fumble in his 244 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: last three fifty seven touches or something. Sheldon Richardson got 245 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: in there and forced a fumble and then as when 246 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: things kind of started the snowball for him in the 247 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: first half. I want to go to the three piece 248 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: because Bucky, We've been talking about this forever. On the podcast, 249 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: we talked about the quarterbacks. The best way to help 250 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: a young quarterback grow is the play caller, playmakers, and protection. 251 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's ever doubted that Cleveland throughout Baker's 252 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: time there, it's had some some playmakers. When you look 253 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: at what he's had at receiver, you look at who 254 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: he's had in the backfield, He's had playmakers. But when 255 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: you look at protection and play caller, they made massive 256 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: upgrades with investments and free agency in the draft for 257 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line and then bringing in Kevin Stefanski to 258 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: run this offense. They are so much better in that department. 259 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Let me give you an example of it, because I'm 260 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: watching this game and I'm sitting here going, man, Baker's dealing, 261 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: but he is. He is just operating from such a 262 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: clean pocket. And so you pull the next gen stats, 263 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: he was pressured on one of thirty three drop acts. 264 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: That's three. That's the lowest pressure rate for Mayfield in 265 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: the game and his career. So going up against this 266 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans group, they couldn't even get near him. Baker 267 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Mayfield this year when he's been protected, when he hasn't 268 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: been under pressure, twenty one touchdowns, four picks, a one 269 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: eleven point nine passer rating. It's amazing what happens as 270 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback when you have your playmakers, but now all 271 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you upgrade your protection and you get 272 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: a play caller on top of that. That's the formula 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: for success. Great formula, great stad That's a great nugget, 274 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: dz A. You right, he was so well protected that 275 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: the game was very, very easy form and it's one 276 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: of the things that we talked about, the running game 277 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: and the officive line and how those things are quarterbacks 278 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: and young quarterback's best friend. We're just seeing how the 279 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: complimentary approach that they're doing under Chevins Stefanski has really 280 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: enabled Baker Mayfield to really play at a high level. 281 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'll get us to our fourth takeaway 282 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: here of the day, and that is the Bears turned 283 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: down a win with the turnover Bears from their own 284 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: seventeen Montgomery Jewish rights Trapiskey's got it back looks look 285 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: Tropisky hit knocked the ball free of the drap. The 286 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Pols Free Flies say they've got it the bottom of 287 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: the tile, and they do. It's at the ten yards line. 288 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: John tenistat at the bottom with the football then got 289 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: it back here. That come. Well, the struggles, the losing streak, 290 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: it all continues for the Chicago Bears, despite the fact 291 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: that their offense actually played a little bit better in 292 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: this game. They got a performance on the ground from 293 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: David Montgomery and they scored three rushing touchdowns in this game. 294 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: It felt better, but still it just you never felt, 295 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: like one that there's any real confidence that Mitchell Drabinsky 296 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: is going to get the job done consistently here for 297 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: this team, consistently enough to win um and then at 298 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: a steady clip, and then it's just this is a 299 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: team that just it feels like they lack the necessary 300 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: kind of belief in themselves to figure this thing out. 301 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: And there's six straight laws proving that that five and 302 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: one start was merely a mirage this season, I think 303 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: we all kind of felt like it. Now Naggi is 304 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: getting the job. Security questions what two years after they 305 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: won the North and got bounced from the playoffs and 306 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the double doink, this has gone downhill in a hurry 307 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: here in Chicago, and it feels like they're getting past 308 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: the point of no return, Like how are they going 309 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: to fix it? Like we're kind of getting past those 310 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: questions here feels like a total reboot at the quarterback position. 311 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: They just wipe the entire slate clean with Rabinsky folds gone. 312 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: And you wonder if that's where it's all gonna stop 313 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: in Chicago postseason. Yeah, d it's unfortunate. Um, this is 314 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: a very very tenuous situation. Mad Naggy is squarely on 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: the high seat, but I think Ryan Pace certainly is 316 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: also there. I would never advocate for anybody to lose 317 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: a job, but I think from a cultural standpoint, there 318 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: is something wrong in Chicago. But I want to spend 319 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: this to the Detroit Lions. They are available. Being elevated 320 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: to the interim head coach position. In his first presser, 321 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: he talked about how I want our team to understand 322 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: that you can work hard and have fun, and I 323 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: just wondered, without talking to anybody in the building, I 324 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: wonder how much of the Seahawks stuff did he bring 325 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: to the Lions during that week of practice in terms 326 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: of upping the energy and music, allowing it to be 327 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: a little fun and a little more competitive. They certainly 328 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: worked hard on the mat, Patricia, but it seemed like 329 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: it was more of a doom and gloom approach. I 330 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: wonder if the energy, the infusion of energy from Darren 331 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Bebo from his experiences in Seattle, certainly made it a 332 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: more enjoyable experience. And now that they've won a game, 333 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: will they buy into what he's saying the rest of 334 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: the way. I would have lost a lot of money 335 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: if you'd told me that the takeaway on this was 336 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: going to be this game with Detroit and Chicago, and 337 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: rhet would have taken the Chicago side of it instead 338 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: of taking this time to really rejoice and celebrate one 339 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: of the fine moments of the Detroit Lions season. I 340 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: would have lost all the money I had if if 341 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: I was betting on that one. Yeah, well, look I 342 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: bet with with family loyalty, and like, hey, you know, 343 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: fact remains we're being no longer associated with the Detroit Lions. 344 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: So so there you go. But I will say that 345 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: if you tune into the aftermath today, Bucky, you're gonna 346 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: find out what the feeling was like inside the Lines 347 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: building all week and leading up to this game and 348 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: during the game from both the coach and player perspective 349 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: on just how different that atmosphere was. It was quite 350 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: clear Mike Silver talked to some of the folks in 351 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: that organization, and I think it was has to be expected. Um, 352 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a pretty vivid change in 353 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: how things were done with Darryl Bello leading the way 354 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: after Meticatursta was fired. But I think I think that 355 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: was that was a pretty interesting response. By the way, 356 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: the lines were only a game out of the final 357 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: wild card spot in the NFC. How about that unbelievable right, 358 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: They're not dead yet, not close. I'll keep it moving. 359 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: I'll go we won't go from the NFC over to 360 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: the a f C and this time to a time 361 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: take two so I can down and going here you 362 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: ask people running backs life and motions, holes of back 363 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: rows and get sicky touchdown down book. Think, yeah, that 364 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: was quite a connection there in this one with two 365 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: and Mike Siki and I think there is a little 366 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: bit of an advantage. We've seen this in some previous 367 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: years where a young quarterback gets chance to get out 368 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: there and play for a little bit he's seen some things. 369 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Now you can take a step back and you're and 370 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: you're out for a little bit to be able to 371 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: see the game. Okay, now that I've been on the field, 372 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: let me look at it through that set of eyes 373 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: when I'm watching on the sideline and then studying the 374 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: tape and then get reinserted back into the lineup. And 375 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: I thought, a nice course correction. I know, look, this 376 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: is the Bengals coming off of a performance against Denver 377 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: where two had struggled. I know the level of of 378 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: of opponent here, but I thought what you saw was 379 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: a very decisive to After all those sacks he took 380 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: in that Denver game, he got the ball out quicker 381 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: than anybody else in the NFL this week. Two point 382 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: three eight are actually sorry second fast. I think Rivers 383 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: got it out just a hair quicker, but touched to three. 384 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: All he was getting the ball out of his hands. 385 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: That's the way he plays. Have always said he's like 386 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: a poker dealer, right, a card dealer. Just spread that 387 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: ball around, get get your back foot, and get the 388 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: ball out. And I thought that's the way that to 389 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: have played in this game. Very decisive, very accurate underneath 390 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: they were terrible on third down one of ten on 391 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: third down, but still found a way to get through 392 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: on this game. And I felt good watching two of 393 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: coming off some adversity that he had previously buck Yeah, 394 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: DJ and this game did not start out well for 395 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: two a talking about Lola and the Miami Dolphins, and 396 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was really important that he not only 397 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: hung in there, but he came back and responded uh 398 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: in a nice way. This is a young quarterback who 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: was still trying to figure it out. He doesn't have 400 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of starts under his bilt, and so you 401 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: talk about wanting to see how does he adapt and 402 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: adjust to the way defenses play against him, and I 403 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: thought he didn't really really well. Also thought chan Gaily 404 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: did a great job of doing is what you pointed out, 405 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: get the ball out of his hands, quick rhythm passes, 406 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: let him deal first second read, ball gets out. We 407 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: saw this offense the develop a bit of a rhythm 408 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: um and so I'm excited about the Dolphins going forward 409 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: because they are squarely in the mix to win the division. 410 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: By the way, did you guys see the ruckus that 411 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: unfolded in this game on a pair of crazy special 412 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: teams plays. Mike Thomas, one of the gunners for the Bengals, 413 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: ends up I mean just with two absolutely slobber knocker 414 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: typeer hit type of hits on jan Kin Grant. Both 415 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: of them end up drawing flags, one of them the 416 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: last one for a kick catch interference, not even giving 417 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: him any shot. Like two yards before the ball arrived, 418 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: he leveled Jackie Grant. And let me tell you this, 419 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: that Brian Flores was having none of it. I mean, 420 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: he marched right onto the field. And if you go 421 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: one through thirty two and head coach intimidation rankings, Brian 422 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Flores is up there at the top. I do not 423 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: want to be in that dude's crosshairs as he's coming 424 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: across the field with a bone to pick. And I 425 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: think the Dolphins kind of respond to him. I think 426 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. I think the defense 427 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of plays in his image here a little bit. 428 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: And and it's that they're a fun team to watch. 429 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: Keep us going here, Buck what you got. The Saints 430 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: are peaking at the right time. Sets back under center 431 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: to China, ends set tray Kwan Smith motions left to right, 432 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: Taysom drops back, looks the throw, steps up, deliver flight open, 433 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: tray Kwon Smith, touchdown, Saints nobody home tray Kwan Smith 434 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: on the left side of the end zone and the 435 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints score a touchdown here early. You know 436 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something, and I know this is blasphemous 437 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: down there in the buyou, but I'm beginning to think 438 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: that the New Orleans Saints maybe a more dangerous playoff 439 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: team with Taysom Hill the quarterback. Here we go. I 440 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy. Brees has this has accomplished in 441 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: this league, but I'm looking at this team and this 442 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: team is difficult to defend with Taysom Hill. And I 443 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: will say I am slow to get on to Taysom. 444 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: He'll bandwagon, but what but what? But what I'm going 445 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: to say is he had two in the thirty two 446 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: passing yours. He had eighty three rushing yars. I look 447 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: at the Saints. They ran for over two hundred rushing yards. 448 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: And when you think about the most dangerous teams in 449 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: the league, they're the ones that can change their styles 450 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of games. And I know Seanpagne is 451 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun with Taysom Hill, but at 452 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: some point he may have to make a hard decision 453 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: and say, maybe, just maybe we should roll. We'll, Saysom Hill. 454 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting question because clearly, you know, 455 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: you go back till last season and Teddy Bridgewater jumps 456 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: in and goes undefeated when Drew Brees was injured with 457 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: that thumb issue. Now you come in and Taysom Hill 458 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: three and oh as the Saints starter filling in for 459 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. And I get it's a different style that 460 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of playing obviously due to taste some 461 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: skill set. Um. But yeah, look, I think the numbers 462 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of make you wonder you go, But in the end, 463 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: if Drew Brees is healthy, I don't think there's anyway 464 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: that they can keep his command of what the Saints 465 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: want to do. Um. You know, his his ability to 466 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: move this offense efficiently. UM. I just don't think they 467 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: We're in a Drew Bloodsoe Tom Brady situation right now. 468 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: Even though the interesting part of it is that that 469 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas has had by far his best games with 470 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: Taysom Hill at quarterback. Here, Well, I'll just put a 471 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: bowl on that, because you talk about should it be 472 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Should it be Taysom Hill. There's the old phrase, right, 473 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: best of both worlds, have your cake and eat it too. Yeah, 474 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: they've seen more play with both of them. They've done that. 475 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: They've done that to me. I think what you could 476 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: see is where we saw, you know, Taysom Hill being 477 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: kind of a little sprinkled in. Maybe it's a little 478 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: bit more than that going forward, Maybe it becomes more 479 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: of a fifty fifty type split. But Drew Brees has 480 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: already proven he can function when he's coming in and 481 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: out of the lineup with Taysom Hill coming in. So 482 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: maybe that's the answer. Maybe you end up with with 483 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: both those guys in the postseason. Not not a bad option, 484 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: all right. Let's keep the takeaways here. Takeaway number seven. 485 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: The Eagles are hurting. Let's say what they do here? 486 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: You know that throwing? Did I go down the middle? 487 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: He's rolling, he's looking, he puts it out of the air, touchdown? 488 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Great ward? What a throwing? Wanna what a great throw? 489 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: Will Jalen ease the pain is the question here for 490 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: the Eagles. Look Jalen Hurts with his most extensive playing 491 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: time of his young career here against the Packers in 492 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: the second half of this Eagle's loss. Will his stint 493 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: now at quarterback for Philly be an extended stay? The 494 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Peterson noncommittal as of his news conference today with the 495 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: assorted Philly uh, the simple Philly media. And you know, 496 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I get it. I get why you put him in 497 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: the second half. Things were clearly not going well as 498 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: they have for much of the season for both Carson 499 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: Wentz and that entire offense with him at the home. 500 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: So they put Jalen hurt him for a whole series 501 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: and they keep him in from the second possession of 502 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: the second half on. They end up punting on his 503 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: first possession. They come back and they're facing a fourth 504 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: and eighteen and Eagles in Packer's territory, and here comes 505 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: the spark. He gets free from pressure on the run, 506 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: perfect ball to Greg war Jr. For his first career 507 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: touchdown on a fourth and long. All right, so now 508 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: you're starting feeling a little bit. Defense comes out, they 509 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: make a stop on the Packers next time out, forced 510 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: the Packers punt. Jalen Reagor proceeds to return that punt 511 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: for a touchdown, and you're like, oh boy, here we go. 512 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: It's like the too effect, right, every other phase of 513 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: the game starts stepping up once you put your rookie 514 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: quarterback in there and kind of lifting the team's spirits 515 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: collectively in But then the kind of the luster started 516 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: to wear off. Another couple of punts, his final pass 517 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: ends up being picked off Aaron Jones is a seventy 518 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: yard run to end things, and now we're kind of 519 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: like back to where we started. Hurts finishes five or 520 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: twelve over a hundred yards touchdown and pick you ends 521 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: up being not a whole lot better than when some 522 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: today he did run and scramble for a couple of 523 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: first downs early in the second half as well. I 524 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: don't know, so, like I get why you would make 525 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: the change here, right, I mean, like, what do you 526 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: have to lose if you're Doug Peterson, if you're if 527 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: you're this offense um with with Jalen Hurts in there, 528 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: I just don't know, like, are you are we is 529 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts that much better of a runner than Carson 530 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: Wentz to where we think that that's really gonna lift 531 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: this offense um or do we really feel like at 532 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: this point in his career he has a better command 533 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: and can make things happen in the passing game. I 534 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: don't know. I get the feeling right that they must 535 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: have to make the switch now, Um, it's just I 536 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it's really going to 537 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: provide that long term fuel for this team, you know, 538 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: because I think this is a very difficult situation for 539 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, because I think when you're the head coach, 540 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: what you try and do is you try and do 541 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: everything possible to avoid having to pull a plug on 542 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback. And so when I kit what the 543 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: Eagles have done this year, um, he gave up play 544 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: call and let Press Taylor call some of the plays. 545 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: They've changed some of the pieces around him on the perimeter, 546 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: with all Sean Jeffrey coming back, Jannen reagor getting back 547 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: into the lineup. So you're hoping maybe the upgrading personnel 548 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: would do something. You've changed the tempo, Hey, let's go 549 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: no huddle, let's put it in his hands, let's run 550 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: it up and down the field, and you still haven't 551 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: got the results. At some point, when you're Doug Peterson, 552 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: you run the risk of losing your credibility in front 553 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: of the rest of the locker room if you don't 554 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: at least pull him out for a little bit. And 555 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: I think this actually could be good for Carson Wentz 556 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: in the short term because now you've been removed, it 557 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: gives you a chance to refocus, recharge, reset, and then 558 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: come back. I don't think this is a long term deal. 559 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: I think it's something that Doug Peterson had to do 560 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: to kind of salvage his reputation in the locker room. 561 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: But now he has to map out what's the best 562 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: way for us to go forward. I think the best 563 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: way is going to be Carson Wentz back in the 564 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: lineup and try and figure out if you can change 565 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: some other stuff to get them going. But I think 566 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: in that moment in Green Bay he had to make 567 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: the movie. He didn't really have a choice, all right. 568 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of layers to this. So 569 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a minute here and just give you 570 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: a couple of different things that I want to get 571 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: both of you guys thoughts on this feedback wise. But 572 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I think with Carson Wentz, we gotta look at a 573 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: couple of things here. I think there's been arguments about 574 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: the past, right I've been. I know Bucky and Red 575 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: I think we're all on the same page and that 576 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: we we give Carson Wentz a lot of credit for 577 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: what happened, and not only in seventeen, but the way 578 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: he played over the last couple of years with a 579 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: lot of injuries around him. I think some people dismiss 580 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: him and say he was with Carson Wentz was never 581 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: any good but outside of a few games, and I 582 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: think that's silly. But we can debate that. That's debatable. 583 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: We can debate about the future, like where do you 584 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: go with the future with the Philadelphia Eagles at this position, 585 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: is that Carson Wentz, is that Jalen hurts? Maybe they 586 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: need to go in another direction, bringing another guy. I 587 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: think there's a debate there. What there's no debate about 588 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: is the president. The president is not working. It's not 589 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: it's out and you can't argue it. It just is 590 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: what it is. And that can be for a whole 591 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: host of issues with the offensive line, issues, the lack 592 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: of separation outside, some of the play calling, the system 593 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: they're in. But regardless that, you can't argue it's not 594 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: working right now. So I am I am right now 595 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: believe that the only reason that you would keep Carson 596 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: Wentz in the lineup is to maybe protect a quarterback's confidence. 597 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: But I don't think he's playing with any confidence. I 598 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: don't think it can get any lower, So I don't 599 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: think that's a risk. I think it is where it is. 600 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to use the rest of the season to 601 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: play Jalen Hurts. You can evaluate Jalen Hurts. Maybe you 602 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: end up at the end of this saying, you know what, 603 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have a chance either because of all these 604 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: other issues we've been mentioning, And maybe that helps you 605 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: as you go into the off season to know, hey, 606 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: this wasn't Carson Wentz's fault. And maybe Jalen Hurts gets 607 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: out there and plays well and there you go. But 608 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: I think, to me, the decision it should be to 609 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: let Jalen Hurts finish out this season. Rhet I want 610 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: to get to you on this one because I think 611 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: you're probably a lot smarter than I am. Bucky, you 612 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: are as well. The sunk cost fallacy. You guys know 613 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: about sunk cost fallacy because I looked up the definition 614 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: of it. Some cost fallacy describes our tendency to follow 615 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: through on an endeavor. Uh, if we have already invested time, effort, 616 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: or money into it, whether or not the current costs 617 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: outweigh the benefits. So to me rhet when I think, 618 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: when I hear and it's it's out there right, look 619 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: at the financial commitment you have the Carson went you 620 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: have to stick with him. That money's gone. You've already 621 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: spent that money, You've committed that money. Every decision should 622 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: be about what gives you the best chance to win 623 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: football games. That's how you should run a business, and 624 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: that's how you should run a football team. So I've 625 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: been a big Carson Wentz defender and proponent over the years, 626 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: But do not let the contract be the issue that 627 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: keeps you from making your best decision. I don't know 628 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: who that is, but I think, to me, that's something 629 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind. And I think you're 630 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: spot on with your assessment of the past the president 631 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: in the future as well. Clearly the president isn't working. 632 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: The only question is like, do you really feel like 633 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: it's in that at some point in the next four 634 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: games that Carson can work his way out of this. 635 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: I think if he could, we just see we just 636 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: see it already in the first eleven the first twelve 637 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: games for the Eagles. At this point, it doesn't feel 638 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: like it's going to happen this season. Maybe it happens 639 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: in the off season. And then when you get to 640 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 1: the sub cost idea, if you somehow think if Jalen 641 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: Jalen hurts, you know, proves to use something, or even 642 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: if he doesn't prove enough, um, but it's enough to 643 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: have some sort of competition. And let's say you're worried 644 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: right that you know, um, worried about the cost, or 645 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: you're worried that that that Carson Wentz is not going 646 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: to be amenable to some sort of competition or not 647 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: being the unquestioned starter. I think you're right. I don't 648 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: think it serves anybody's purposes to have this guy, no 649 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: matter what you're paying him, actually back up somebody else 650 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: next season. I think if that's at all possibility, he's 651 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: got to be gone, right. I just I just don't 652 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: know that a guy like that can go from being 653 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: the franchise one billion dollar quarterback to ride in the pine. 654 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: Because you have to eat the dead money cost, you're 655 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: eating it anyway, right, So I think one way or another, 656 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna find a lot. We're gonna find out a 657 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: lot about the Eagles quarterback future in these next four games. 658 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: You know, Red, I think you both of you guys 659 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: bring a great points because the sun cost fallacy is 660 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: something that you definitely have to consider. And I think 661 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: dj Um when we talk about this, just from a 662 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, if the coach always stands in front of 663 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: the room and talks about a guys the best players play, 664 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: it is hard to week after week stand in front 665 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: of the team knowing that your quarterback isn't playing well. 666 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: The other thing that I will say about this for 667 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson and that offensive staff, I think if you 668 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: just look at what the Saints have been able to 669 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: do with Taysom Hill, with the Buffalo Bills have been 670 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: able to do with Josh Allen. I'm not saying that 671 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: Jalen Hursts is in that category. However, what I'm saying 672 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: is sometimes when you have a new toy, it allows 673 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: you to bring a different perspective. It forces you to 674 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: play a way that might be the best way for 675 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: your team to start carving out some wins. And we've 676 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: talked about the Eagles running attack and how they've been 677 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: able to run the ball fairly well, but for whatever 678 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: the reason, they haven't leaned into it. Maybe bissing Carson 679 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: wins leads them to run the football, and maybe that 680 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: helps them play better because that's the way that they 681 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: should have been playing the entire time. Yeah, it's a 682 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: it's an interesting conversation. We can do a whole podcast 683 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: on that, and we'll explore that further, probably in the 684 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: in the podcast we have the rest of the week. 685 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: But it's uh, yeah, it's not working there for the 686 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles right now. All right, I'll get to the 687 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: next takeaway here. The Chargers not so special teams with 688 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: the punt rush, But it's a pressure free put in 689 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: the end light to left spawty total shops to be 690 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: under it at the number of thirty, run straight ahead 691 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: to the forty white side, first across cuts across the 692 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: outside the grass of the putter beats another mandeline into 693 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: the end zone. Touchdown. Patriots got a little mojo two 694 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: weeks in a row. What's special teams now want to move? 695 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: All right, Well, look when you look at this Chargers team, 696 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: guys that I've never seen. I left the stadium saying 697 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: I've never seen a special teams performance. And then it 698 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: turns out that that's exactly the case, because there's a 699 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: stat on this where they keep it and I think 700 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: I sent it to you guys here, I'll pull it 701 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: up right here. This is Uh. The Chargers entered Sunday 702 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: ranked thirty second special teams UM and expected points added 703 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: EPA for the season. Uh, they got much worse. Their 704 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: performance against the Patriots produced a minus twenty three point 705 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: eight e p A, the worst in eleven thousand, twenty 706 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: six single game team performances since two thousand, including the playoffs. 707 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: In this game, they allowed a part return for a touchdown, 708 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: a blocked field goal return for a touchdown, another long 709 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: punt return, another miss field goal. They had ten players 710 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: on two punt returns. They had twelve players on another one, 711 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: which resulted in an automatic first down. I've never seen it. 712 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: I've never seen that poor of a special team's performance. 713 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: So that was my takeaway on the Charger side of things. 714 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: And Buck, I'll add a little bonus takeaway there. The 715 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: New England Patriots, with what they do defensively, Um, they 716 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: run so many games up front, They're only rushing four 717 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: the majority of the time, three, four, maybe five. But 718 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: they continually get home because all they do is all 719 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: these exchanges and stunts and twists, and uh, they find 720 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: a way to get home. So you're a quarterback, you're 721 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: getting pressure with that four man rush and now you've 722 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: got to comb through all these bodies in the back end. 723 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: It it was, it was an impossible assignment for Justin Herbert. Yeah. 724 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: The one thing that I would say about the Patriots, 725 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: the Patriots ultimately serve as an a mirror for their opponent, 726 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: meaning they show their opinions their opponent each and every 727 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: week exactly who they are. And so if you have 728 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: any flaws, do you have anything that really sticks out, 729 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: something that can be fatal to your chances of winning, 730 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: where They're going to expose it. And what we saw 731 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: all in the one game, all the flaws that the 732 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: Charges have, their inability to just be connected when it 733 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: comes to building a game plan where everyone is complementing 734 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: one another, each unit. They exposed the flaws of their 735 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: special teams which have existed the entire season. We saw 736 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: all their inability to, I guess contain a physical running game. 737 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: All of the things that have been problematic for the 738 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: Chargers were all out there in one game, and look, 739 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate. I love Anthony Lynn, but I 740 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: think this was kind of the game where you walk 741 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: out of the stadium saying, yeah, we're gonna have to 742 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: upgrade what we have, like we just are not going 743 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,959 Speaker 1: to be able to do it at a high level 744 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: the way that is currently constructed. I just think it's difficult. 745 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: But I think the Patriots do that to teams who 746 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: are not sound in detail in all areas. Well. Let 747 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: me ask you guys this both, you know, with your 748 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: experiences watching NFL practices and Bucky, especially with your experience 749 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: being a part of them, how much time in today's 750 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: NFL do you feel like in a in a given 751 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: practice and in meeting time that teams devote to special teams. 752 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: Would you say it's go ahead, Buck, I mean, I 753 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: feel like they devote a lot of it. You know, 754 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: a lot of time. They're always meetings, it's always a 755 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: part of practice or whatever. I will say. The difference 756 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: is from for some teams, some tings really use it 757 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: as a priority. Some teams the coaches stand in front 758 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: of the room and say, this is why we win games. 759 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: This is the biggest field flip um that we can get. 760 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: This is how we set our team up for points. 761 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to play my starters on special teams, and 762 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: they give it a priority. I will say that every 763 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: team doesn't treat it as such, and they don't make 764 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: decisions on special teams as if their third unit is 765 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 1: a started unit on your football team. Yeah, and spend 766 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: time on it every day, right, every team spent time 767 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: on every team to votes resources to it. But you've 768 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: got to have the guys, the right guys coaching it 769 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: and teaching it, and you've got to have the right 770 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: guys in the building to execute it. I mean that's 771 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: the simple part of it. Yeah, No, I mean it 772 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: looks that's ultimately what it comes down to. I just 773 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: my thought of it, Like the ten guys on the field, 774 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 1: the twelve guys on like just you don't see that. 775 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: You just don't see that happen. So like something in 776 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: the week of preparation is not is not going right. 777 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: Like something's not going right now. I get it if 778 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: they had an injury, you know, but that gets corrected. 779 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: There's somebody game day that's correcting that, all right, somebody 780 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: on game day on the sideliner and the booth is 781 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: responsible for counting the numbers up. I mean, that's just 782 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: that's simple that that shouldn't be very complicated. Well, and 783 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: it seems like a common thread, right, And there's just 784 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: something missing everywhere every turn on every special team, one 785 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: way or another throughout this entire season, and it all 786 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: comes to a head in this game. So it just 787 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: feels like there's something not working in the way they 788 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: prepare on special teams. That's just that that's the only 789 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: excuse that I can say, thank so that you're right, 790 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: You're right right, all right, Buck? What's what's the number 791 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: nine take away here? The Vikings are making a playoff 792 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: push daily from twenty three to walk off sixth. When 793 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: the Vikings win daily walks off the winner for the 794 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: first time and he is keeping Now, I will say this, 795 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: haven't watched this game and looked at it. If you 796 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: just looked at the stats, you would be amazed. Because 797 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: the vik has had a three hundred yard passer, like 798 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: one hundred yard rusher, a one yard one hundred yard receiver. 799 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: You would think that they would have dominated on one 800 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: in eleven Jacksonville Jaguars team, I would say that these 801 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: numbers are a surprise because they didn't have their best game, 802 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: but I think it is a reflection of the talent 803 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: that they have. Um David Cook is awesome. He's one 804 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: of the best running backs in football. Justin Jefferson is 805 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the rookie class, and I 806 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: think when you look at his game, he has everything. 807 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: I feel like he was underrated during the process, and 808 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: now that we've had a chance to see him play 809 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: in the league, he is everything that you look for 810 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: as a potential number one receiver, as a route runner, 811 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins, when he's allowed to play in a 812 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: very comfortable fashion where the running game is allowing him 813 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: to set up and throw play passes, he's as good 814 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: it as it gets. And this team defensively played without 815 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: Eric Kendricks. They still had four sacks and they turned 816 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: it on when they needed it. Mike Zimmer has done 817 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: a good job of keeping it together, and this is 818 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: a team that is a very dangerous team to phase 819 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: down the stretch because they can run it. They have 820 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: two receivers that can get open, and if Kirk Cousins 821 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: is on his game and on one game scenario, he 822 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: can now do any gun any gunfighter. Yeah, I mean 823 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: I think I'd have to go back to sixth grade 824 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: the last time I saw a player get injured doing 825 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: pregame KARAOKEA and uh and missed the game like Eric Kendrick, 826 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad. I feel horrible for him. 827 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: That's just that is just awful luck. And he's such 828 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: a key part of what they've been doing on defense. 829 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: And this resurgence for the Vikings who are now he 830 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: played off team in the NFC after starting one in five, 831 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: they've won five of their last six and they are 832 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: now the seventh seed in the NFC. And I mean, 833 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: like it's not they don't have a cake walk down 834 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: the stretcher. They saw the Bucks and the Saints left 835 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: to play. But the way they're playing, man, they can 836 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: match up with anybody. Um, you know, they've they've got 837 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: everything you need. On offense, right, They've got the you know, 838 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: as we detailed with Justin Jefferson, um, the thousand year 839 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: rookie receiver. They have the running back in Dalvin Cook 840 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: in the running game that's hard to defend. And then 841 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: on defense, you just always feel like Mike Zimmer is 842 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: gonna have them prepared enough to make a stand against anybody. 843 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know. They may not end up 844 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, but the way they've turned it around, 845 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: they I think they'll make a case for certainly deserving it. 846 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: I give Mike zimmer a lot of credit for getting 847 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: the issues solved on the defensive side of the ball. 848 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: But I want to go back to I think this 849 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: is over the summer. No Bill was able to pull 850 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: this up because we look personally, I've said so many 851 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: dumb things on here that I deserve rightful criticism for, 852 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: and Bucky we get you know, heat for what this 853 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: or that, and our pinky promise is not looking so 854 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: good right now at the Arizona Cardinos. We're gonna set 855 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: that aside. But I knew that we had gone strong 856 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: on Justin Jefferson as a podcast, So No Bill, I 857 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: think he's been able to pull this up. Let's go 858 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,959 Speaker 1: back in time. This is over the summer talking about 859 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson of the Vikings, but I believe his production 860 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: will eclipse Deefon Diggs who left and went to the 861 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I really think Justin Jefferson is kind of 862 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: made to play with a guy like Kirk Cousins. When 863 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: you look at the success that Kirk had um in 864 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: Washington and the comfort level he had there, UM, I 865 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see the same type of a thing. 866 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: We saw him take a step forward last year with Minnesota. UM, 867 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: and I just look at the guys that he's traditionally 868 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: had success with. To me, Justin Jefferson matches up and 869 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: that was co signed by Buck. That was a selfish 870 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: clip there where it's my voice, but he said all 871 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: the same things and echoed him rhet. I know, I know, 872 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: we've had a conversation. So I'm letting you come come 873 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: alongside us here because it was just a perfect marriage. 874 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: It was a perfect marriage of his skill set with 875 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. And I know early year and Stefonds 876 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: has been great and that's that that trades worked out 877 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: perfect for for both times. And Buffalo is happy that 878 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: they have him. But we said throughout the time, like look, 879 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota got younger, they got cheaper, and they've got as good, 880 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: if not better production, And they have Justin Jefferson has 881 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: got sixty one catches, over a thousand yards, seven touchdowns. 882 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: He's got more yards, he's got more touchdowns. He's got 883 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: a better yards per catch uh than Stefon Diggs. I 884 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: mean he has been. I mean to me, it's it 885 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,479 Speaker 1: looked like a phenomenal move there for the Minnesota Vikings Bucks. 886 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, Big Bucky DJ just just turning the knife 887 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 1: into his into his Philly faithful right now after seeing 888 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: them pass up on the opportunity to take Justin Jefferson, 889 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: maybe Ragorens and fat as good. Right now, it's there. 890 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: You go, all right, what do we got here? What's 891 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: the final takeaway? Here? Way the second week in a row, 892 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: the Giants are still a playoff team. Three receivers. Laugh. 893 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: Wilson takes the staff. He's back to throw. He's under pressure, 894 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: flushed out to his laugh, stands back there. He's gonna 895 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: mood ball it down the middle of the field. High 896 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: in the year playing a New York Giants gonna leave 897 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: Seattle with a victory, as they stopped the Seahawks on 898 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: fourth of eighteen with thirty seven seconds to go. Guys, 899 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: Bob Pop is starting to feel it on the Giants 900 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: radio broadcast. He's starting to feel these calls a little bit. 901 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like for the last two years 902 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: it's just the depression in his voice has been audible. 903 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: And now he's back and so are the Giants. And 904 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: my tagline is much more than just a punch line now, 905 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: it seems, because the Giants are playing good football. And 906 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: they went into Seattle with a guy at quarterback who 907 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: has not won a game as a starter since two 908 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen and Colt McCoy and they pull off 909 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: a victory. And I think a lot of credit goes 910 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: to Joe Judge, and maybe even more credit goes to 911 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Pat Graham for figuring this thing out, running 912 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: a defense that pressured and be funneled the once considered 913 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: m VP run of Russell Wilson um litter Williams two 914 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: and a half sacks now got a career high eight 915 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: and a half on the season. The Giants are allowing 916 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: under seven team points a game since Week nine. I 917 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: mean like that that you're doing a great jumb limiting 918 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: the rush. They've got ten takeaways since week nine on 919 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: this wind streak for the Giants, which is now four 920 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: in a row. I mean it's getting more impressive by 921 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: the week here, but look very impressive group. And I 922 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: know we made light of Joe Judge and the laps 923 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: and the up downs and all the other stuff that 924 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the Giants were doing. But here's what I will say, 925 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: and this is what I do believe in. I believe 926 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: the way the football team plays has to be reflective 927 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: of the city that is the franchise is located in. 928 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: In New York, you talk about the blue collar town, 929 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: a blue collar team some something where it has to 930 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: be kind of grizzled. And when I look at the 931 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: New York Giants, they play in a fashion that reflects 932 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: the Giants and how you need to play in New York. 933 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: They're tough, they're hard working, they're competitive, they're big in 934 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: the wrenches, they control the trenches. They're doing a great 935 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: job of taking care of the football. And on defense, 936 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: they beat you up and they beat you up over time. 937 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: And I think that is a recipe that is long lasting. 938 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: I think you can have sustainable results that way. And 939 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: even though the methods to me maybe a little archaic, 940 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: Joe Judge has a level of authenticity with his players 941 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: that they're buying in and the Giants are force and 942 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: we saw this in DJ and I talked about it 943 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: on a Thursday night watching them against the Eagles. They 944 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: play hard and they're going to be a tough team 945 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: to knock out because they believe in wearing you down 946 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: over the course of a sixty minute game. And it 947 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: is giving them a chance to win this division. Yeah, 948 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, going back and watching that 949 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: video after watching the Chargers against the Patriots live yesterday, 950 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 1: then I turned on the tape of the Giants versus 951 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and it is so similar to what they 952 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: do defensively with the Giants and the Patriots in terms 953 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: of the games that they run up front, a able 954 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 1: to really really execute those at a high level. Leonard 955 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: Williams has had a field day on those twists all 956 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: all season long. You mentioned those eight and a half sacks. 957 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: He's been outstanding. Um, and then making you try and 958 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: throw through a bunch of bodies down the field, and 959 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson never got comfortable. They were dropping guys, they 960 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: were zone dropping defensive linemen to spy him, they were 961 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: bringing safeties down to spy him. Um, they just had 962 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: It was a beautiful game plan that was executed very 963 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: well by the Giants. And I think, look, we can 964 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of talk about coach of the year candidates and 965 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: Sean Payton what he's done. Um, you know, with Drew 966 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: Brees being out and then continuing to roll along. You 967 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: look at Matt Lafleur, the way that Green Bay Packers 968 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: have played all year long. Obviously, Andy Reid is gonna 969 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit. Mike Tomlins got the only 970 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: undefeated team in football. But if I'm being honest to me, 971 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: the most impressive in terms of how they look from 972 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: last year to this year is is what Joe Judge 973 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: has done with the Giants. I know they don't have 974 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: a winning record, but they're winning that division. It's just 975 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: a it's a different looking football team buck than the 976 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: one we've seen previously, and absolutely a different looking football team. 977 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: And what I do hope this does. I hope when 978 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: we have the coaching carousele, I hope it prompts more 979 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: general managers and owners to look at special teams coaches. 980 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: And the reason why I say this is because the 981 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: special teams coach is the only guy who coaches everybody 982 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: on the football team. He naturally is exposed to management 983 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: skills in terms of managing the game, managing situations, managing personnel. 984 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just hoping that Joe Judge's success in terms 985 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: of the way this team looks will inspire some decision 986 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: makers to at least give solid consideration to special teams 987 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: coaches when the Carouse sale kicks off in a few weeks. 988 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: It's been a fun episode today, buck any any final 989 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: thoughts as we keep marching on through the NFL season. 990 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: None this to playoff push and so I think it's 991 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: always about separating the contenders from the pretenders, and we 992 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: see it each and every week. Some teams take a 993 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: big leap forward and so that divided themselves as one 994 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: of the teams that legitimately has a shot and went 995 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl no doubt. Well, I hope you guys 996 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 1: have enjoyed this today. I want to encourage you to 997 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: check out all of our content we've got out there, 998 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: especially the YouTube page. Go check it out. It's a 999 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast. You can find all 1000 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: of our work. Be honest, you can also find around 1001 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm not encouraging you to listen to it. 1002 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: It is there. 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