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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's DJ Envy Charlamagne to God. We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building. His book

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Speaker 3: is out today. Yes, indeed, ladies and gentlemen, Rich Paul, welcome, sir,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: How's everything? It's great man, I see you in years, Rich,

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: Last time we was together, we went to we had

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Speaker 1: like a little brunch.

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Speaker 2: We had a brunch. This is like damn like.

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Speaker 1: That was a wild that was like that was over ten.

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Speaker 4: Years, twenty eleven, Yeah, twenty twelve, look at you now, Rich.

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Speaker 1: It's great, man.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I will tell you how I love

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Speaker 4: your book lucky Me than I read it thoroughly, thoroughly,

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Speaker 4: thoroughly enjoyed it. But I need to know the process

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Speaker 4: of this book because I know the publishers probably.

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Speaker 2: Wanted more like your agent life.

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Speaker 4: Now you know what is what is your relationship with

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Speaker 4: Lebron But you didn't get him that. You gave him

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Speaker 4: all east Side of Cleveland, very detailed, and I appreciated that.

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Speaker 2: But how did you get the publishers to agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Well, this wasn't a published the book was my idea

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Speaker 1: along with my team, and you know, it's a timing thing.

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Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, would you ever do

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Speaker 1: a book. I'm like, yeah, if I do a book, though,

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Speaker 1: I don't want it to be a puff piece because

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Speaker 1: I think it's important for people to There's people inspiring

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Speaker 1: to be you or be in your position, and they

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Speaker 1: see the successes, right, they see courtside of games, the

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Speaker 1: negotiated deals and all that, and so people say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can be rich Paul. You got these

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Speaker 1: companies looking for the next young black guy with a

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Speaker 1: cool jacket on to be their representation of a rich Paul.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, now you're missing a lot. If you

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Speaker 1: want to be me today, let's start here. Let me

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Speaker 1: educate you on some of the things that I know

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Speaker 1: would resonate with you. I know it resonates with you,

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Speaker 1: you and everybody, and so I just didn't want to

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Speaker 1: write a puff piece. I wanted to be something that

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Speaker 1: was impactful education. You know, you know, because experiences are education.

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Speaker 1: People look at it and what I didn't realize and

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Speaker 1: I realized even more today. You know, when you're going

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Speaker 1: through shit as a kid, like you read about my mom,

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Speaker 1: you read about, you know, just some dark days. It's

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Speaker 1: like the world is coming to an end, right, you

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Speaker 1: think like everything is crumbling. But then in the position

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Speaker 1: I sitting today, I'm like, oh shit, like those are

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Speaker 1: like superpowers for me, right, because now these boardrooms. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the board of Live Nation, I'm on the

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Speaker 1: board of Uta, I'm on the board of the Lakma,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming from this place, this kid, and so

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Speaker 1: it's weird how it shaped me and gave me just

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Speaker 1: this unbelievable molding, if that makes sense, right. And so

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Speaker 1: I think as we were writing a book, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make sure that it was not exactly what you

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Speaker 1: what you was, because that's what people would think. And

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Speaker 1: when they hear the title, they immediately go to, oh,

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Speaker 1: he met Lebron in the airport, that's why he's lucky.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really being extremely sarcastic to those simple minded

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Speaker 1: thinkers like that. You know, I took some shot. I

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting when you said that, because when you

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Speaker 4: read the book, it's still luck. Because I was always

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Speaker 4: the person that never believed in luck. I'm still trying

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Speaker 4: to yeah, like create of luck, you know what I mean. So,

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Speaker 4: so to be in the position that you're in right now,

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Speaker 3: But I want, I want to start from the game because

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Speaker 3: somebody listening might not know who Rich Paul is, right,

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Speaker 3: they might They might not know who Rich Paul is.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't want to take that for granted.

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Speaker 3: Sure now, so super agent, you you, I want to say,

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Speaker 3: manage the careers of a lot of athletes, not just

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Speaker 3: you started from Ohio, but you didn't start with with

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Speaker 3: this on your mind. So let's break down where you

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Speaker 3: story is is is crazy just talking about your pops,

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Speaker 3: where you came from, and what puts you into this place.

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Speaker 3: So let's start from there.

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Speaker 1: So Maya grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, like you said,

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Speaker 1: on the east side of Cleveland. It's an area called Glenville.

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Speaker 2: Hey the book, you talked like he was getting buckets.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, it depends on what the age I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm still one of the best shooters out there period.

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Speaker 1: I love to get drassket fly. I had this confidence

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching Meet the Press and Larry king Liven

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Speaker 1: And so I know you love real estate, Nindy. I

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Speaker 2: And so that picture.

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Speaker 4: Lets me know that story. All that picture lets me

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Speaker 2: You ain't getting that hair and.

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Speaker 1: Bone that's in front of my dad's story, by the way.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and by then, by that time, by

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like I never spent I can't remember a

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Speaker 1: You eat sweet potato pine. Yeah, you would fly to

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Speaker 1: it to you. It was that good. But it was

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Speaker 1: just a thing where like you're saying, that picture was

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Speaker 1: wasn't right. She was actually Instagram before Instagram, right, because

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Speaker 1: One thing about one thing about life growing up the

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Speaker 1: But the title agent, you know, that was always deemed

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Speaker 3: Y'all connected on things outside of just sports. You're connected

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you put you on pay. I don't give

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. So I was already going back and

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Speaker 1: this young man's name, but this is crazy. When I'm

432
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: in the store and I'm in line, I look and

433
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: it's an Oscar Robertson Bucks, it's an Elgin Baylor Lakers,

434
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: and it's a Bill Russell Celtics. I get to Elgin

435
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: Baylor and I get to Oscar Roberson. But prior to that,

436
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, what is that section right there?

437
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: This is very important? He said, that's our hardwood classics section.

438
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, hold on, let me go. I

439
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: grab two jerseys. I'm thinking they, you know, one hundred

440
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: dollars or whatever. I should go up to seven point fifty.

441
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I'm in line. I'm not gonna get

442
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: out of line. And I'm like, you know, forget it,

443
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: come on with it. Boom. So now when I get home,

444
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: we go back. I get home, I wear one jersey.

445
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: It was this neighborhood called Superior Hill, and they throw

446
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: a block party, right, so I knew I wanted to

447
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: wear the Bucks with some butters and tams because that

448
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: orange and green, I mean that green and red will

449
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: hit with the tams with the butters. I didn't want

450
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: to wear no red and white shoes or whatever. And

451
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: then so I wore that, and everybody asked me about it.

452
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: But I was fly, so they always would ask me

453
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: about the I was wearing Vershachi in like ninety four,

454
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: like tight, when nobody was wearing Charlottagne. Would be would

455
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: have got on me. But I got pictures of this,

456
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I was always a kid that would

457
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: if I had one thousand dollars, I spent eight hundred

458
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: on the sweater. It didn't matter to me. So anyway,

459
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: so I do that, and I wear the Elgin Beta Lakers.

460
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: When I wear this jersey to the club called the

461
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: Millennium everybody's asking me, and the millennium is every hood

462
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: from everywhere is in here. So now I'm like, I

463
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Speaker 1: get home first house I ever bought, and I had

464
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: a little makeshift office, and I couldn't sleep, and I

465
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. Man, I'm like, this is on my mind

466
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: because everybody kept asking me. And I remember the kid said,

467
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: that's our Hardwood Classic session section. So I'm already getting

468
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: into about four point thirty in the morning. You know,

469
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: you can't really doze off my energy up. So I

470
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: go into it and I get on the computer and

471
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: it was still like might have been like it wasn't

472
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't Google. I don't think. I don't know what

473
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: search engine, may be AOL or whatever. But I put

474
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: in Hardwood Classics and distant replays came up. It was

475
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: a story in Atlanta, and that was the first thing

476
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: that popped up. So now I can't wait. It opened

477
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: at nine called I buy three Jerseys. I do this,

478
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: I repeat this for two months. I get close with

479
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: the guy's name is Andy Hymen. I get close with him.

480
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: I say Andy, I'm hustling. I say, Andy, do you

481
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: would you mind if I you know, and allowed me

482
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: to invest in your store. He said, rich, if you serious,

483
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: come and see me fly down. I had never been

484
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: on the plane because you know we live in Cleveland.

485
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: Do we drive everywhere in Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, everything is close, Philly,

486
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: d C. So my man d Hodge, he graduated from

487
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: a school called Cleveland Heights. And when you graduate from

488
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland Heights as a as a man, most of these kids,

489
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: especially the black kids, they went to hpcu's so they

490
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: either went to Clark or Moorhouse. He was like, my

491
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: man went to Clark. His name was Gerald. He lived

492
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: in Marietta. He's like, my man went to Clark. Man,

493
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: we can go to his spot. He'll let us stay

494
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Speaker 1: with him. I'll book the flights. Well, if anybody know

495
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: de Hodge, he's kind of like he's not cheap, but

496
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: he's cheap, you know in terms of he gonna spend

497
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Speaker 1: the money wise. He so he found a flight on

498
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: air Tran from Akron Canton. That's what got me flying

499
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: out of Akron, Cant because if I would have booked

500
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: the flight, I would have probably just took Delta out

501
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: of Cleveland because it's a fifteen minute Rocketer Airport versus

502
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: a forty five minute rochet because the way I think

503
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: the time I'm spending is money. But he didn't think

504
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: that way, Thank god he didn't. And so now I

505
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: get down there, I sleep on Gerald's couch. I'm sleep

506
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: on Gerald's couch. They get up, take me to I

507
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: get there eleven thirty. Is at twelve. I get there

508
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: eleven thirty because the book away, man, am I yes,

509
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: I just so, but but they should go and read.

510
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: They still got tod But so when I have the meeting,

511
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Andy tells me, I can't let you invest, but if

512
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: you work in the store, I'll allow you to get

513
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: forty percent off whatever you buy. But you know I'm

514
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: trying to I'm like, come on with it. And that's

515
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: what really started me going back and forth. So through

516
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: that those travels, I actually met Lebron in the airport

517
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: one day. That's what happened.

518
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 4: But it was interesting because Bron, you said, y'all, y'all

519
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: kicked it became friends just on life, right.

520
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: Did he put you on salary? You don't even know why.

521
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: No. He called me down to his house one day, man,

522
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, I wasn't even looking at it

523
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: from that perspective. But as we got cooler and cooler,

524
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: he put me, you know, and I'm and I'm showing

525
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: him a little. So I've been buying diamonds and so

526
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: I was seventh eighth grade, so I'm showing him about

527
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And we really bonded over our mothers though.

528
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: And I'm the last one too. I'm not from I

529
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: don't play the fake cousin thing. I'm from Cleveland. They're

530
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: from Akron. We wasn't friends. It wasn't fake anything. It

531
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: just it was a fake thing, it really was. And yeah,

532
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: he called me down to his house one day. He

533
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: asked me for my social Security. I'm like, man, no way,

534
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonnaiving you my social you know, you can't play

535
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: with nobody's social But after about forty five minutes, forty

536
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: five minutes, I ended up giving it to him. And

537
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: we had been to camps, Jordan Camp, Nike Camp, all

538
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: these different camps and so yeah, man, like about a

539
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: month or so later, my a check coming to mail

540
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: and my mother. I didn't when I said I didn't

541
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: know how to read a check. It's just because if

542
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: you never got a check before, pretty much outside of

543
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: a summer job at the post office. I did wasn't

544
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: reading a check in terms of understanding pay period whatever,

545
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: no title or anything like that. And my mother was like, yeah,

546
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're making forty eight thousand pretty much a year,

547
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: two thousand, whatever it was. And I'm like, cool, but

548
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: nobody's called me and told me anything. So I called him.

549
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, what am I supposed to be doing, Like,

550
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: what's my job? He was like, I don't have nothing

551
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: for you, bro, I don't got nothing. He was like,

552
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: I just he told me, He's like, ever since you've

553
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: been around me, it's been nothing but love. Like I

554
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel threatened you damn sure, ain't no

555
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: leech or anything like that. And I will figure out.

556
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: I just gotta have you around me, cause like cause

557
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, like it's situations in which I remember one

558
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: time he didn't he might not have wanted to sign

559
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: an autograph for a kid or something, and I had

560
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: a conversation with him, like you should sign an autograph

561
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: because you just never know, not knowing that he was

562
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna play, you know, thirty years in the league. But

563
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: back then I'm saying, you don't know how long you

564
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: know somebody's gonna want your autograph, and you also don't

565
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: know what it does to this kid, right, And so

566
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, God chooses people for

567
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: a reason. And you know you got to play the cards.

568
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: That's dept the car that's dealt to you. Just so

569
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: happy to come with an abundance of pictures being taken,

570
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: in autographs being signed. And this was prior to him

571
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: being drafted.

572
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: By the way, I believe that all the wisdom your

573
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: father instilled in you. And that's that's another reason I

574
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: loved the book, because of the way you honor your

575
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: father in the book. I believe a lot of the

576
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: wisdom he instilled in you you were able to instill

577
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: in Brawn one.

578
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Hundred percent, you know, undred percent. Yea moment and it

579
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: was and you know it was four of us, but

580
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: I brought we all brought some different to the table.

581
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I brought that element, like you're saying, just that cold

582
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: hard truth street, you know, a protection in a lot

583
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: of ways he felt, and a confidence for all of

584
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: us though, like you know, I would do. You know,

585
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: I had corns and Jacobs and Rolexes, and if it's

586
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: here man, not him, because his risk was too big.

587
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: But like I was a guy, I wanted everybody to

588
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: look like something right, And so that mentality I got

589
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: from my hood, Like if it was your turn, envy

590
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: to go and buy the Jordans. You bought them for

591
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: all ten of us. Damn you know, That's how it was.

592
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: And if it was my turn, or if hours somebody

593
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: had to go or and buy this, like they get

594
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: them for it wasn't nothing like that right. Even when

595
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: we brought the scooters, I didn't have the money on me.

596
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: My man might had it. I'm like, he lived closer.

597
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, just give me it, Just give me ten

598
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you when we get back down

599
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: the way. He's like, okay, cool. You know that's how.

600
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: That's how our relationship. And I'm still friends to this

601
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: day with pretty much all the guys I grew up with.

602
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I can't hang out with him because I'm in a

603
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: different space. But when I go home, I don't really

604
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: have no new friends. These are you know, my friends.

605
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: Why was it important for you to honor and celebrate

606
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: your father the way you did?

607
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: In Lucky Me.

608
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: He was just such a great example from me and

609
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: growing up, most of my friends didn't have their father.

610
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: And even though my father didn't live in the house

611
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: with me, he was just such a great example, and

612
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: not for me, for everybody. Everybody respected my man. When

613
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: my dad funeral, you had two thousand people there from

614
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the age of three to ninety three. Wow. Everybody came

615
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: and paid their respects. And I never forget. A man

616
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: came in my dad's store one day after he pass

617
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: and he was like big rich here and he was like, nah, man,

618
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: you know he died. This grown man. He had to

619
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: be about fifty seven years old. Man, you would have

620
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: felt like he got hit by It was just it

621
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: hit him hard. He couldn't believe it. Because my dad

622
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: helped people grow. My dad helped people. He raised a

623
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: lot of these people, and men and women like girls,

624
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: if they got pregnant and didn't know how to tell

625
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: their parents, they come to my dad. Guys went to jail.

626
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: The payphone in my dad's store when you call a

627
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys that went to jail, they would call

628
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: and my dad would actually bond him out, so you know,

629
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of ways, that actually saved my life

630
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways because I had so much

631
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: protection from the foundation that my dad, my uncle, my

632
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: brother laid down. So when I'm in the back alleys

633
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gambling behind abandoned building or the basement of

634
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: abandoned house, for me to make it out of there

635
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: with the money of this guy that I know, I

636
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: know what he do. I know. And that's the thing

637
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: about the business I'm in. I don't come from a

638
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: place to where you can have anonymous people going who's

639
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: hype and talk bad about rich Paul Like, I don't

640
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: give a shit about any of that. But I'm a

641
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: stand on business and so I also don't play that

642
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Speaker 1: aspect of it. And when I had the conversation on

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Speaker 1: gills Pot with Stephen A. Smith, remember when I said

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Speaker 1: that's cap. I wasn't trying to be negative towards him.

645
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying this cap because I come from an environment

646
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Speaker 1: where I survived that energy for somebody to tell me

647
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Speaker 1: get the you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh you talk about Stephen A. Smith when he said.

649
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Speaker 1: When he said he told me to get the fuck

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00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: out of his face, I'm like, you never said that

651
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Speaker 1: to me. Not because I'm this tough guy, because I'm

652
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: for I'm for peace prophet, but I'm a stand on

653
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Speaker 1: what I believe in. It's because where I come from,

654
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: that energy is every day and if I can survive,

655
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: navigate my way throughout that and get to this point,

656
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in Disney World right now. I'm talking about

657
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the energy and the aura and just

658
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: everyday life trying to make it out. My energy is

659
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: not gonna push you to say that to me nobody,

660
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Speaker 1: And that was that was my thing, not because it's

661
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: this tough thing. No, it's I never my aura doesn't

662
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: exude that, and so that's what But it's because of

663
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: how I grew up.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of podcast, why you disrespect Michael Jordan like that?

665
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Speaker 2: On the podcast?

666
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I didn't disrespect Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: You said that he you said bron is Platinum and

668
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: Michael God damn.

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Speaker 1: I said, for me, the whatever you call them, the

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Speaker 1: answer for me because again in Okay, the way I'm

671
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Speaker 1: looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Is you never respected Michael Jordan too. You said that

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Speaker 2: in the book.

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Speaker 1: I did not see. I did not say that, But

675
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 4: You said you said you respected him on the court,

677
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Speaker 4: but off the court, he wasn't for the culture basically

678
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Speaker 4: what you said.

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Speaker 1: No, I said, I respected him on the court, of course,

680
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Speaker 1: but there was no touch. Michael Jordan was a different

681
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Speaker 1: guy off the court.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I had several examples of Michael Jordan off the court, right,

684
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Speaker 1: So that's not a slight to me. I love Michael Jordan,

685
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: by the way, every shoe until like after fourteen, because

686
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Speaker 1: it started getting a little weird every game I used

687
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: to watch the commercials. Wouldn't even shore I was a

688
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Everything you said about Jordan in the book, I understood

690
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Speaker 4: exactly what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's my thing. So like I was more culturally, yeah,

692
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Speaker 1: but but okay, So when you think about a guy

693
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Speaker 1: like Alan Iverson, imagine if Alan Iverson had a rich Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. It's a different dynamic because

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Speaker 1: I understand him. I understand culture, and I know what

696
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: those braids and what that armsleeve did, and I understand

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00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the business that that that didn't necessarily go with rebound.

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Speaker 2: Who you were talking with back then, Nike? Did Nike?

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Speaker 2: You understand it because he was there. It's not like

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Nike off of him something.

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00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson knew what his agent told him, you can

702
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: spend it higher, which way you want to spend it.

703
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: And if you don't know culture, you don't know. Just shoot,

704
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Speaker 1: how how many how many pairs of sneakers you think

705
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Speaker 1: his agent bought?

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00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I know I bought a bunch

707
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: of the man I'm just saying prior.

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Speaker 1: To Alan, I how many pairs of sneakers you think

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Speaker 1: his agent probably bought?

710
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably nothing exactly.

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Speaker 1: So how could you? How could you do a shoe

712
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: deal for me? And you don't. You don't have no

713
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get very few guys that can actually

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Speaker 1: move product. Everybody have a signature shoe cannot move product.

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Speaker 1: So that shit just for your ego. When you have

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Speaker 1: a signature shoe, to go is to build a signature business.

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Speaker 1: There's been very few guys that can build a signature business.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So my thing is, you can't help me make

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Speaker 1: that decision. Now, you can help ninety nine point nine

721
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Speaker 1: percent of the players make a decision on a shoe deal,

722
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: because it's just pretty simple. If you don't care about

723
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Speaker 1: the brand, pretty much, most guys go on to where

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Speaker 1: who's paying the most money. It's only gonna work while

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Speaker 1: I'm playing. But if you're an alan iverson. That ain't

726
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: what you need. You need somebody that understands culture, understands cool,

727
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: understands product. You get what I'm saying, because you have

728
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to build a business that can have sustainability

729
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: in the marketplace much longer than you play.

730
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Speaker 4: He still eat off the answers, though only because it's

731
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 4: something that the agent did or somebody took some money away.

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Speaker 1: Now his data deferred based upon his spending habits, so

733
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Speaker 1: they deferred his money, which was great. I'm not knocking that,

734
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: But you also could have got the money right now

735
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Speaker 1: and diversified his portfolio to where he couldn't touch it

736
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Speaker 1: and let that money compound and investigate it. He's paying

737
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: up you know. Then now he's paying capital gains instead

738
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: of paying an income tax. Right, So I mean, I'm

739
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: not knocking it. I'm just saying for him, it was

740
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Speaker 1: the right thing in terms of, oh, he likes to

741
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Speaker 1: do this, so we're going to do this so he

742
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Speaker 1: doesn't mess it up for his family or whatever the

743
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Speaker 1: case may be, which you have to appreciate that. But

744
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: there's also a side to where you can educate him

745
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: on what you're doing and put that money in the

746
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: dictor you give what I'm saying, because if I'm not

747
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: getting it to fifty two, then look at what was

748
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: he thirty two? So twenty years that money not working

749
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: for me? Is that necessarily the right thing too? Like,

750
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not again, I'm not knocking. I'm

751
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: just saying the way I think versus.

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Speaker 2: You know, got you? Yeah, I got it. Let's go

753
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: back to the platinum Antlast thing.

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00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: Though, No, Okay, So all I'm saying is that's just

755
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: for me. I think people people oftentimes want you to

756
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: think how they think for whatever reason. Obviously we know

757
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: MJ's a goat of his era. No, he's the goat

758
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: of his era.

759
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: He's the goat Rich's okay.

760
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Speaker 1: Of listen, you can't compare eras man like because you

761
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: can't fallt MJ for the era he played in. You

762
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: can't fault Lebron for the era he played in. You

763
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: can't fault Steph Curry for changing it. Steph Curry changed

764
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: the game of basketball and the way it's played. My

765
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: coach Frank Novak or coach j May rest in peace

766
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 1: of Glenville, legendary coach. If you stepped across half court

767
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: and shot forty foot jumper. The only guy I know

768
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: did that was Damon Stringer Cleveland Heights. Gard Cappeletti let

769
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: him do that, but he actually made him. That's a

770
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: bad shot. Steph Curry turned a bad shot into a

771
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: great shot for Steph Curry, not for everybody. You get

772
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We can knock those things. And again,

773
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: when you talk about the Jordan Lebron, everybody gonna have

774
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: their own opinion. You're tired, you're entired to that. Michael

775
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: Jordan was the best guy I ever seen play the

776
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: game of basketball until twenty years of Lebron. Me saying

777
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: twenty years of Lebron. That's not a knock because Lebron

778
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: could also Lebron could also play with Mike. But I

779
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: think Lebron would have been just as good in Mike's era.

780
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Speaker 4: Do you think people will ever fully appreciate Bron. No,

781
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Speaker 4: if we keep comparing him to Michael Jordan.

782
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Speaker 1: That's my thing, and but it's but it's because people

783
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Speaker 1: Lebron was the first person that did things how he

784
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: wanted to do it right, unapologetic, unapologetically. They wanted him

785
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Speaker 1: to do everything like Mike well, I don't have to

786
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: do that right, and it's not that shouldn't be a

787
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Speaker 1: knock on me.

788
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Speaker 2: Good marketing, though, Like Mike, everybody wanted to be like Mike.

789
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know everybody wanted to be like Mike.

790
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: That was a great. That was a great you know.

791
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Speaker 2: When you think about himself.

792
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Speaker 1: But when you think about that, that.

793
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Speaker 2: Shot hurts you. That bad man beat Cleveland in the playoffs.

794
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Speaker 1: No, I actually I was actually Mike fan. I was

795
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Speaker 1: actually I'm still a Mike fan. I talked to Mike

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Speaker 1: all the time, like it's not that's not a thing.

797
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Do y'all argue about who's better him?

798
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Speaker 1: Aroun Me and Mike never had we argue, but we

799
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: had we go on the base about different things. I

800
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: got the utmost respect for Mike. We're gonna rebate debates

801
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: about different things. But I'm also a truth like I

802
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: don't sugarcoat things. And I'm never gonna get in the

803
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: room and it could be Jay z in here and

804
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Mike and here, and then here comes Charlotte Magne and

805
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: I act like I don't know you, or I start

806
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: talking different. I'm not gonna get to New York and

807
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: start talking like I'm from New York, I don't. We

808
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: don't play that where I'm from. So it don't matter

809
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: who it is on the other end. If I believe something,

810
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: that's what I believe. It's not a slight to anybody.

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Speaker 1: I think Mike's to go. I also think Lebron's to go.

812
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

813
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: I think the antlers are a little different for different reasons.

814
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with the game of basketball, though.

815
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Speaker 4: It's if he has the problem with Lebron Jordan thing

816
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: because it always turns into what what type of man

817
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: they are off the court? Now?

818
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not I'm not looking at that either,

819
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Speaker 1: because I can't. I can't judge Mike for a type

820
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: of man. Mike's a great, great man, take care of

821
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: his family, kids, everything so great business time, my top

822
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: five all timetime. You know, people be trying to front

823
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: on Isaiah Thomas from a point guard perspective, like they

824
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: need to stop that, go stop because Zeke. Very few

825
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: guys touching Zeke. So from a point guard perspective, there's Zeke,

826
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: there's Magic, there's Steph you know. Yeah, I mean yeah,

827
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would even throw even though

828
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't won a championship yet. As a point guard,

829
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta respect what what CP has done

830
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: to you know, you.

831
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Speaker 2: Say five point guard, you just five players. He's players.

832
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's tough. But my top five of all time,

833
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: Bron Mike. I mean, I gotta put Steph in there

834
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: now because at three, not in no particular, I'm doing positions. Yeah. Man,

835
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Speaker 1: See that's where it gets tough, because I gotta put

836
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Speaker 1: I gotta put Kobe in there too.

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Speaker 2: You got to think about it.

838
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm just saying I gotta put Kobe in there.

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Speaker 1: That's four four and then ship you magic, you go shack,

840
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: you go nah, because I already got my point guard

841
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: and I rock with magic. But I mean, you know

842
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: I would go shack. Yeah, I would probably go shack.

843
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: But you know it's the whole top five. I don't

844
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: do top five. You know, if I would, that's my

845
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: team that nobody can beat. That's my team. But then

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00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: when you talk about just great players, Kevin Durants a

847
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: great player. Despite what anybody has to say, the league

848
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: is full of great players right now. Giannis is a

849
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: great player. You know, Damian Lillard, you know, like people

850
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: try to get on a guy like a d But

851
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: there's no better basketball player. When you talk about Anthony

852
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Davis when he's playing the game of basketball level, he's unbelievable.

853
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: But our league is in the But these young guys today,

854
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: you look at what Jason Tatum, I mean, all these

855
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: and I have the guys that I represent, the young

856
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: guys that I represent. We got dogs Man Garland, Maxie John,

857
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: tay Trey, you know, Miles Bridges is back. You got

858
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: you got, I mean, we got so many Zach Lavine,

859
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Darrin File in.

860
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: The world just playing. So maybe what was the dude

861
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: named Drew Rosenhouse. Maybe a little bit, but not.

862
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Because you understand, like I'm appreciative of my guys, You're

863
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: only as strong as the guys allow you to be.

864
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: My guys state, And it's I'm not just representing them

865
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: as basketball players. There are young men, they're people. We

866
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: talk about everything. Draymond Draymond is at my house more

867
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: than me. I don't even have to be there. Draymond

868
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: could be in my house right now.

869
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: That's my favorite play in the league. And it's not

870
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: because I just like the way he leads on the.

871
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Court, and I like to show, you know, the young

872
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: guys coming up right. Like I said, you know, this

873
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: year our draft was was great. Not because we had

874
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: every pick one through ten. No, it's not about that,

875
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: because if you do the numbers, there's on sixty picks

876
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of guys will make it the second deals.

877
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: But the character of guys is what I really focus

878
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: on just as much as the talent today. And I

879
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: can't name everybody. I was just naming a few guys,

880
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: but you know, the way I go about and we

881
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: go about our business as a company, it's just different.

882
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: We know I'm not I know I'm not gonna be

883
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: able to represent every player. Every family don't want to

884
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: hear the truth when you're in a when you're in

885
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: a meeting, And at the same time, you know you

886
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: still got parents that believe in the so called establishment,

887
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: and you still got people that are divined by their

888
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: business card. I don't. I don't carry a business card

889
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: because I defined a business card. It's a difference, you know.

890
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: So let me tell you my top five.

891
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: Then I got two more questions for you, Okay, Michael Jordan,

892
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Lebron Magic in that order.

893
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: That's my top five.

894
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: Okay, I went by positions though, when the league tried

895
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: to box you not top five a team that doesn't,

896
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't do the top five thing.

897
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: When the league tried to box you out, How difficult

898
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: was that because at one time they tried to change

899
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: the rich Paul had to go to school, and this, that,

900
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: and the other. When they tried to box you out,

901
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: break that down.

902
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: A couple of things happened. So when I first got

903
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: in the business, the first thing there was an article

904
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: written on me that tried to basically stuck my growth

905
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: or or stop me from being put in position to

906
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: even represent players. That was done strategically coming from a

907
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: place that I once was, and they tried to do that.

908
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of people did. That was one

909
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: thing that many people skip over and don't even know about.

910
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: And so I had to go through this whole thing.

911
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: The nc DOUBLEA investigating me all that found nothing but

912
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: the young man lost his eligibility, which was bad. It

913
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: really cost him. But that came from somebody strategically targeting

914
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: me to try to do that number one. And at

915
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: the time when the article was written, it was like, damn,

916
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you got them to write this article about me that

917
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: you know not true, and so that was that really

918
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: pissed me off. And then from there the rule from

919
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: the nc double A about that became the Rich Paul

920
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: rule that said agents had to have a college degree

921
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: to be able to represent people that are testing the water,

922
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: meaning that I'm not sure if I'm a pro or

923
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: not and I want to keep my eligibility. Well, I

924
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: don't really represent guys that's testing the water anyway, So

925
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: I really wasn't focused on that. At the same time,

926
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: when I thought about it a little bit more, I'm like, damn,

927
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: this is not even about me per se, because I'm

928
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: already over the heill in terms of I made on

929
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: another side, it's nothing that could really do to me.

930
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: This is about people come behind me, right, and so

931
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to stop that. And that's when I wrote

932
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: the opt head and I think it took six days

933
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: from to take it down or whatever. It was like,

934
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: they totally removed it because that was BS and it.

935
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: Was clear and blatant.

936
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: They know that, Yeah, it was blatant.

937
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now now I know books are always you know,

938
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: great first steps, first steps in the journey of healing.

939
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 4: So what are you doing to unpack some of the

940
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 4: trauma that you experienced throughout your life?

941
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Writing this book was very therapeutic for me. Man. I

942
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: needed that. I needed that because you know, as a kid,

943
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: I bottled so much and I didn't know anything about

944
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: talking to a therapist back then. You know, the therapist

945
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: was like guy with a fifth of rolls in his hand,

946
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: he drunk, you know. But today I'm in a much

947
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: different space. And that's why I felt there was you know,

948
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of like four things motivation the book. I think

949
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: it was important to give people perspective and perception, and

950
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: then to allow people to walk with you through your

951
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: journey and these experiences because we have shared experiences despite race, gender,

952
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, background, wherever you came from,

953
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: there's a chapter in this book that you share an

954
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: experience with me in some shape form of fast for sure,

955
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: and for some people, most chapters in this books you're

956
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna share experience and experience with me. So the timing

957
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: of it just felt right. And anything I do is

958
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: gutting heart, man, like you know, and just like I

959
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: was texting me and Lebron was texting the other day

960
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and I was like man, I really want to get

961
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: the artists to do like a self destruction or all

962
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: in the same game type of song because it's just

963
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: what's happening today with our youth, just just so much

964
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: careless killing. And you know, I lost my my little

965
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: cousin the other day, was seventeen years old last Thursday,

966
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: was found, you know, shot in the drive by, like

967
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. And I buried his father in two

968
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. So I'm talking to my uncles, my

969
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: mother's brother, and you know I can I can hear

970
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: his hurt. And my uncle Kevin, like is my mother's

971
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: second youngest brother, great guy hunt, you know, big farm

972
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: down in Mississippi, do his thing, and this is his grandson.

973
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: But he lost so now he lost his son and

974
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: his grandson. And I'm connected to like I'm not bro.

975
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how many funerals I paid for this year,

976
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: just yearly, I don't know how many you know times

977
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: I send money to people books and I've been doing

978
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: that for twenty years. So I'm still connected as it

979
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: pertains to just people because I understand it.

980
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: You know, it means nothing's changing.

981
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, it means nothing change, nothing's changing man. And

982
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: so I just think, like I don't knock the music

983
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: in terms of sharing your story, but but it's just

984
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: to a point to where we need. We need a

985
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: different message. And that's not to not be cool and

986
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: not to be relatable and all that. I know the

987
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: relatability thing, but it's also relatable to talk to tell

988
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: somebody what you're doing, why you're doing it, and why

989
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: not to do it as well, because that's what we

990
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: grew up on. You know what I'm saying, like change

991
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: is cool to cop but more important, as lawyer fees,

992
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: That's how it is now, That's how it always be.

993
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: I never changed. It's always me, you know, Like I

994
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: can't expect people to be Jay and I don't and

995
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: I but at the same time there's a balance, right

996
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: and so but we need that we need because it's

997
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: just it's just crazy. That's what's going on, you know

998
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: right now. It's not even about no money. You know this,

999
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: And there's there's a there's a chapter in the book.

1000
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: Remember I talked about the kid who said, well, that's

1001
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: why your mom smoke crack and.

1002
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 4: You learned how you learned when you was a good

1003
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: you used to snap crazy and then when they do that,

1004
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: you would get frozen.

1005
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 2: You learn how to navigate through that.

1006
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: Right, And today it's hard for kids to do that

1007
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: because social media is observer's paradox. And so if me

1008
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: and you got into that school and we was in

1009
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: the bathroom, but Envy was the only one that's seen us,

1010
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, well, I want to know you

1011
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: say you want, well, m be the only one that's

1012
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: seen us. Maybe he want to comment on it, Maybe

1013
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: he don't.

1014
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 4: I think would have been teasing Envy. I just feel

1015
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: like that. I feel like I feel.

1016
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Like he's got Yeah, you gotta you gotta relax on

1017
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: v with the last kids, Relax than rich.

1018
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1019
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: I support Envy back in the day when they did

1020
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot for us in the culture, like you got

1021
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: to relax. But what I will say is just like,

1022
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: but today, anything you do, if a kid don't get

1023
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: a like, they take the picture down or enough likes,

1024
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, and then now it's about comments that people

1025
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: are making and it's calls in this retaliation and you're

1026
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: losing the kid prior to so I look at it.

1027
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying like you got to be able to get there,

1028
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: like these kids not even allowing themselves to get there

1029
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: to where. You know, we all did crazy stuff when

1030
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: you're young, but like who you are today, how you

1031
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: perceive life and you know, your family and different things

1032
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: like that, your job. When you look back on some

1033
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: of the things you did when you was young, like

1034
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: and that was stupid. That was really stupid, you know,

1035
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: and so but they're not even getting a chance to

1036
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: look back. They want to do it. They want to

1037
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: It's a cloud thing, and it's and it's a it's

1038
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: just a weird place right now. Rich got to go

1039
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: by it, lat question whatever, east side of Cleveland, Yeah, Mton, Yeah,

1040
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Saint Clair, you know, fifth of Edmonton is like the

1041
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: to the exact Google map boom origin. But Glynn Community

1042
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: in Saint Claire's where where I'm from.

1043
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: How does the del fare environments?

1044
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: I took her there?

1045
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: Really hell yeah?

1046
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: What yeah?

1047
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: What did she say?

1048
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: By the way, it's funny hundred percent one hundred percent.

1049
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, we're pulling up and

1050
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: I got security right in the Cleveland police everybody. So

1051
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up to houses and you know what it

1052
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: looks like when we when we're pulling up, you know,

1053
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: all black trucks.

1054
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: The president, they think the presidents.

1055
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1056
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: So so they're like, man, you know it starts spreading

1057
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: throughout the neighborhood. Like man, like you, bro, you can't.

1058
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: You got to give us a heads up for something

1059
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: pulling up like that. But no, like we went to

1060
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: the hood though, No, for sure, you know, like my

1061
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: family is my family, bro, I don't. I can't. You

1062
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: know in the book, when you and when you in Cleveland,

1063
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: all we all we saw was Cleveland. So no matter

1064
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: how far I go in life, I take Cleveland with

1065
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: me because I couldn't be me without Cleveland, and not

1066
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: just Saint Clair, all of Cleveland, you know, up the way,

1067
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: down the way, cross town, like it's it's just.

1068
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: This book is a love letter of Cleveland.

1069
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: It raised me, really, it really, it really raised me.

1070
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Speaker 1: And it'd be hard for me to be who I

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Speaker 1: am without the way I grew up. And I really

1072
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: appreciate the guys in the Dice House that that that

1073
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: raised me, you know, all of them, you know, little

1074
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: Mos and Texas and Wings and and you know, like

1075
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: it was my uncle Lance, my uncle Warren.

1076
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 4: You know, how did they embracing Adele though? How did

1077
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 4: the hood embracing Adele when you.

1078
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 2: Had her out there.

1079
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: They loved it, you know. Yeah, they rock with it.

1080
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some legendary rock with it.

1081
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they look at me. They rock with it because

1082
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: because you know, like and and again that's part to me.

1083
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to date me and then I'm not me

1084
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: that like that'll never happen. I'm not changing for for nobody.

1085
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: I had. I had Jake to sending the hoods one

1086
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: one day during the tour. This was like five, and

1087
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: he came out and where am I this guys at?

1088
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: Where this guy's at? Where my where my Saint Clair?

1089
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: Is that?

1090
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, grew up in Mars.

1091
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I understand that you said. You're saying that.

1092
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in terms of just me being me.

1093
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: But no, they they they love it. They love it

1094
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: for sure. They embrace it. Life is good, Charlotte, man.

1095
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 2: Are you as her husband?

1096
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: Life is very good?

1097
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: Okay?

1098
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't you know?

1099
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Why are you on in that man's personals?

1100
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: Ask your question is always in people's personal.

1101
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 4: Web, the internets, Like I saying, I don't care, let's

1102
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: asking questions for the Internet.

1103
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: I know everybody's asking questions for the internet. I'm just saying,

1104
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, life is good.

1105
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: The book is out today, Lucky Me, and we appreciate

1106
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: you joining us.

1107
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Speaker 1: Brother, I appreciate you guys. Man. That was just great.

1108
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm happy about the book. I'm happy.

1109
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: You know.

1110
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm just in a good space. Man. You know, I

1111
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: never get too highed too little about anything, and I

1112
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: don't really sit in my success, so I'm just just grinding.

1113
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: Man.

1114
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 4: This is a fantastic reed. I think everybody should go

1115
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 4: out there and get Lucky Me. And it was funny

1116
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: because everybody, remember they was talking about when you were

1117
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: supposed to have a movie about your life. Yeah, and

1118
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: everybody was saying, like, why would Rich Paul have a

1119
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: movie about his life?

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: You'll let you know why.

1121
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: You need.

1122
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: Congrats of y'all too, man, Like you know how long

1123
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: y'all been.

1124
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: On that thirteen years before fourteen?

1125
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy starting a lot of shit, just a lot

1126
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: of shit started with you, Charlotte Main saying, I agree

1127
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: that lead people alone. I agree you've definitely matured, You've

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Speaker 1: gotten better.

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Speaker 2: Shit therapist, absolutely. I started going to therapy in twenty sixteen.

1130
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's when it changed because prior to that you was.

1131
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was minister and me and Rich used to

1132
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: argue about stuff like I'm gonna bring no light there,

1133
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 4: But we used to have some good common station.

1134
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed those conversations. We need to do that.

1135
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm with more often. Absolutely, now I miss those conversations

1136
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: because I like the debates. It's all good.

1137
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he needs he needs a light skin therapist.

1138
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: That's what he needs to stay up the light skin

1139
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: brothers man.

1140
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: See, I mean you know he.

1141
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: Was no Brown. Cut it out, stop it all right,

1142
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: cut it out. It's Rich Paul Breakfast. Wake that ass

1143
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: up in the morning. Breakfast Club.