1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: My mother was a seventh grade teacher for over thirty years. 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Every now and then she would connect with a student. 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: It was instant, solid and everlasting. The students that she 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: bonded with often were boys, which of course made the 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: five of her daughter's laugh. These students were a bit mischievous, 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: fun loving, good athletes, not always the best academically, but 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: quick with a smile, and had tons of friends. It 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: was equally undeniable that these special students loved her too. 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: Cases can be like that for me. I don't know 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: why some pull me harder than others, or why I 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: feel connected to someone I've never met nor will ever 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: be able to meet, but it happens. Nonetheless, it happened 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: on this case. That smile, those bright eyes, his age, 14 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: all of it drew me to help him. I only 15 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: saw his face, and I was dragged in. I contacted 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: his mom to see if we could help, if nothing else, 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: to get the word out he was missing, and I 18 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: knew I could get a few of my friends to 19 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: do a national story and others to post all over 20 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: social media. The more I learned the facts about his case, 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: I quickly knew we probably did not have a missing 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: person we likely had a homicide victim like my mother. 23 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: This mischievous, fun loving, athletic, quick with a smile kid 24 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: had pulled me in and now I must help find 25 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: his killer. On September four, two thousand seventeen, Jabez span 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: could not be found. It was later discovered he had 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: possibly witnessed a murder. He was only fourteen years old. 28 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: An exhausting search for Jabez went on for eighteen months. 29 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: It's Labor Day weekend, two thousand seventeen. People are outside, 30 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: they're grilling, they're visiting with one another, they're celebrating. Jabez 31 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: was seen a couple of times by different neighbors and friends. 32 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: People said, oh, we saw him with a couple of 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: other kids about his same age. Nobody paid much attention. 34 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: It was a familiar scene. Everybody out, maybe some fireworks, 35 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: you're grilling again, You're seeing neighbors you haven't seen in 36 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: a while. Everybody's enjoying the day. So, as always, let's 37 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: start where it ended. This case takes us to Sarasota, Florida, 38 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: just south of Tampa, fifteen square miles that sit on 39 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: the Gulf Coast, some of the most gorgeous beaches in 40 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the world. C. S. T Key is one of my favorite. 41 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: They've got Leedo Key Longboat, the population fifty five thousand people. 42 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: Now they've got some notable folks from there, Joe Perry, 43 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: from Aaron Smith, basketball coach, Dick Vittel, an author Lois 44 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Duncan that ironically was also a mother of a child 45 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: that had been murdered. So we know Jabez was last 46 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: seeing September four near Street. Two weeks would go by 47 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: before there was a child alert. Why was there a 48 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: delay from law enforcement? Well, in the beginning, they believed 49 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: he was with friends, hanging out having fun. Everybody believed 50 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: he would return home any minute. His grandmother was one 51 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: of those people. She thought, well, he's hanging out with friends, 52 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: maybe playing a video game, and time got away from it. 53 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: But she grew panicked when he did not show up 54 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: for school on Tuesday. Remember Monday was a holiday Labor Day. 55 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: There was no sign of him. None of his friends 56 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: had seen him, the neighbors hadn't seen him. This was 57 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: now real. Sarah Soda had a missing child. It got 58 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: more real, y'all because on September the tenth a category 59 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: for Hurricane Irma hit Florida. The winds were a hundred 60 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: and seventy seven miles an hour, There was flooding, there 61 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: were power outages all over the state. Well, at that 62 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: point the police knew he wasn't just hold up with 63 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: some friends hanging out. He wouldn't spend the night with 64 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: anybody else because people were evacuating. This was a major 65 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: wake up call for the police. They've got to go 66 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: into full court press to try to find this child, 67 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: but they would have to wait till the hurrican ain't dissipated. 68 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: Florida Outdoor Advertising Association donated digital billboards. The reward was 69 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars at this point. On October, the FBI 70 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: joined in the search as well as FDL E and 71 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: then Sarah Sota P D. Re canvassed everything from North 72 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Water Tower Park to New Town. Here's our first twist. 73 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: Court documents in this case show that Jabez might have 74 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: witnessed a murder a week before he disappeared. I know 75 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: this sounds like a TV show, but if somebody possibly 76 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: witnessed a murder and then they go missing themselves, you 77 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: just get a bad feeling. Twist Number two. The witness, 78 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: Reginald Parker, told numerous people about Jabez. Seeing the murder, 79 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Reginald Parker told Jabez's mama, grandmama, and a neighbor, Lucille Tillery. 80 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Now let's be very clear. Reginald Parker was said to 81 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: have been a witness to Jabez witnessing the murder of 82 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Travis Combs. So you will hear me refer to Mr 83 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: Parker and Jabez as witnesses. Twist number three. The murder 84 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: victim that Jabez possibly witnessed was Travis Colms. Mr Parker 85 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: reportedly stated that Jabez said, and I quote, oh my god, 86 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: y'all shot him. End quote. Well that might make you 87 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: think that Jabez knew the victim and possibly knew the shooter, 88 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: because he said, y'all, y'all shot it. Travis Combs was 89 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: thirty one years old, killed August at nine thirty at night. 90 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: He had been visiting family at the six d block 91 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: of two Street. The body was found next to his 92 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: aunt's home. After the murder, the killer took off in 93 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: the victim's car. The victim was set to go to 94 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: work the next morning. At four thirty, His car was 95 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: found in a neighboring county burnt Twist number four. Reginald 96 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Parker goes to jail on unrelated charges. Twist number five. 97 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: Reginald Parker changes his story once he's inside jail. Reginald 98 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Parker denies telling Jabez's family members that he witnessed Comb's murder. Mr. 99 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: Parker reportedly says Jabez said, oh my god, y'all shot him, 100 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: but again he later denies ever, saying that even though 101 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: he told multiple people the same quote, there have been 102 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: reports that he saw Jabez say y'all shot him, So 103 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: that makes him a witness. Jabez, you may hear me 104 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: later say, is a witness. And what I mean by 105 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: that is if he witnessed a murder, that also makes 106 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: him a witness. It's two separate people witnessing the same 107 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: event from different vantage points. Twist number six. In cold cases, 108 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: you always work backwards. In this case, backwards from Jabez 109 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: going missing is the murder of Travis Coms. The two 110 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: cases are possibly connected, and there's no way you can't 111 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: look at both of them. So the first victim is 112 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: killed on twenty two Street and his car is dumped 113 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: in Manatee County. The second victim is last seen on street, 114 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: so at this point we know both cases the victims 115 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: were outdoors when they were last seen alive. Both are 116 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: on street, both in their neighborhood or a neighborhood of 117 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: their family that they're comfortable in, surrounded by people that 118 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: they know, neighbors and friends. Both instances occurred with other 119 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: witnesses around them, and the witnesses knew both victims knew 120 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: them by name. Now we come up on September the fourth, 121 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. Jabez has been missing for a year. 122 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: The Combs murder is still unsolved at this point. The 123 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: reward is now fifty thousand dollars Twist number seven. February 124 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: the sixteenth, two thousand nineteen, the remains of Jabez were 125 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: found on a rural road in Manatee County, just west 126 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: of My seventy five. A man working on his fence 127 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: found him around four thirty on the sixteenth. He was 128 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: not identified through general records until the nineteenth. Unfortunately, we 129 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: are talking about the murder of jabaspan O. Law enforcement 130 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: has got to see they're connected. Javaz had no enemies. 131 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: The police had never had issues with him. He didn't 132 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: do drugs, he didn't do alcohol, wasn't in a gang. 133 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: There was no reason to kill him unless he was 134 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: a witness to murder. Both of these cases happened less 135 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: than a block apart. There are no suspects, none, no 136 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: idea how we got Damanate County, no idea what the 137 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: motive would be. But here's what I do know. There's 138 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: folks that know Jabez that are keeping their mouth shut. 139 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes you need the police, sometimes you need the media, 140 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: and sometimes you need the mama. And it is time 141 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: tonight to bring in my guest, my friends to wanna span. Now, 142 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you about her. She's honest. She's probably 143 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: more honest sometimes than you want her to be. She's 144 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: a hustler. She's got about four hundred jobs, and she's 145 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: good at all of them. She's a mother, grandmother, daughter, wife, friend, 146 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: community volunteer. Tawanna welcome to his own seven. Hi. Sure, 147 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I am great because I get 148 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: to talk to you for about an hour. Why don't 149 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: you tell us about Jabez? Where he was born, raised, 150 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: school sports, However you want to start, you just tell 151 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: us about your baby. Jibbet started kind of on a 152 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: rocky slope. Um he was. I was incarcerated when I 153 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: was pregnant with him. I picked his name because it 154 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: said in the Bible that his mother said she bared 155 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: him in a time of sorrow and that he would 156 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: that God would keep him from evil. So it just 157 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: seemed to it so very well. He loved his family. 158 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: He was just a very outgoing personality, jokester my mother. 159 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: He just adored both of my parents. He adored, very 160 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: close knit with his his brother's. He was one of 161 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: the he was, like you said, he's one of those 162 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: kids like you, the next door neighbor that everybody knows 163 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, riding his bike, doing cartwheels on the bike. 164 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: That's I think that's one of the main things. Like 165 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: when I see kids riding a bicycle, that like really 166 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: bothers me because he was He just was good at 167 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: everything that he touched. He really was. Not to brag 168 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: on him or anything. Some people just have have that ability, 169 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: and he was really good at a lot of things 170 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that he touched, especially football. I don't know if you've 171 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: ever seen Um the movie with Ice Cuban and when 172 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I got the Little Boy, Ricky carries his football everywhere. 173 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: That's that's your best. Like everywhere he went, he's like 174 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: throwing the football with some of his friends or something. 175 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: He was all ways just very good in football, so 176 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: he had big plans for football. Yeah, he um had 177 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: just came from the Dallas Stadium like two weeks before 178 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: playing over in Dallas, So we really truly I mean, 179 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: he had told my mom, he was like, I'm gonna 180 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: buy you a house, granny, you know, so he had 181 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: he really thought that he had the ability to um 182 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: rise above getting out of the neighborhood and seeing himself 183 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: doing something totally different than what everybody else and the 184 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: way he was performing, we all kind of thought that 185 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe it was true. So when this came about, it 186 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: was just like it definitely knocked you off your balance 187 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: really well, you know one story I remember you told 188 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: me he was so dedicated to that next level of 189 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: football that he would not miss a day of school. No, No, 190 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: he was just that like he was literally he wanted 191 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: He knew what plans he had and what he really 192 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: really wanted to do. And that's how when he when 193 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: he didn't go to school, we knew something was wrong. 194 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: That's just how dedicated he had he was going to 195 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: school and making sure that his high school career was 196 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: something that he could put in a lot of good 197 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: work in so that's what was alarming. If he you know, 198 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: if he had been to somebody that just did this 199 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, then it wouldn't wouldn't have been 200 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: like that. But that's what threw everybody off. The next 201 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: day when he didn't show up for for school or 202 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: he didn't come home, it was just it wasn't his behavior. 203 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: And he loved your mama's cooking. Yeah, my mom and 204 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: him have a very special bond. Um. She ended up 205 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: getting him when he was very young, and they took 206 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: Jabez out of my arms, and they actually was about 207 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: to adopt him out, and I was frantic. I couldn't 208 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: find my baby. My mom stepped in and she she 209 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: was like her and my father was looking for him 210 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: everywhere and found out that he was somewhere down in 211 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Venice with a very good family. But you know, they 212 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: wanted their grandchild. You know, he had been put in 213 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: the system without consent. I remember her saying to me, 214 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: she was like when he when he went missing, when 215 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: he you know, when he was older, he was like 216 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: she's she said to me, literally breaking down in tears. 217 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: She was like, I gotta look for him all over again. 218 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Oh you know it was she went through him being well, 219 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: we went through him being missing twice, so and nobody 220 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: doesn't really know that because it was only like a 221 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: four month stint of the first time. But we couldn't 222 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: find him. He was somewhere in the system. They just 223 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: took him away from me, somewhere in the system, and 224 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: we had to track him down. So we went through 225 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: that two times in a row. I'm well, two times 226 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: my mother and him. That was his granny, like he 227 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: just truly truly adored her. He was after my father 228 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: passed away. I think he felt as though because he 229 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I wanted him to come back to live with me, 230 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: and he was just like no, because he felt like 231 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: he had to protect my mom. He didn't want to 232 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: leave her there by herself. And that tells you all 233 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: you need to know about him right there. He was 234 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: every kid, Yes, no, I get that, yeah, not not 235 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: not just the good you know, because all kids have 236 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: their their moments. So I embracing that he's just every kid. 237 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: It's not like he I don't want to make it 238 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: seem like he was just like church going and you know, 239 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: he he had his little rough moments. I think we 240 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: all do you know what I mean? But that made 241 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: him even more a person that everybody is relatable to. 242 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: I can remember one night you and I were talking. 243 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: It was kind of late, and we were laughing about 244 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: him playing video games and cared about football and you know, 245 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Grandma's cooking and you know, again somewhat mischievous every now 246 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: and then, but quick with that smile to get out 247 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: of trouble. And you said to me, do you know 248 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Do you understand him? And I said, 249 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: do I know what you're talking about? I'm raising one. Okay. 250 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: He reminded me so much of Huck you know, just 251 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: that no matter what happened, Like if he had a 252 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: book report do the next day and it was eleven 253 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: o'clock at night and he's like, oh, yeah, maybe I should, 254 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: you know, find a book and I'm like what. But 255 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: then in that quick smile where you just can't get 256 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: mad at him, and he's like, oh, my teacher will understand. 257 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: I'll explain it. You know, he just knows I'm gonna 258 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna get out of it. Yeah, I'm gonna charm him, 259 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and and he could for the most part, but then 260 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: your mama had to make the call to you that 261 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: night when she had caught me because I thought Jabez 262 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: had when he had this coach that he was very 263 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: very close with, um coach Joe, And I meant coach 264 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: John and his son Joe and Mama came um, but 265 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: I thought they he had went out on the yacht 266 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: with them, but he stayed to go to the cookout 267 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: with everybody else. So my mom when she called me 268 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: that night, her in Jabez sometimes had their moments because 269 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: he's he's a teenager, she's in her sixties. They're not 270 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna always agree on what is good for him at 271 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: being his age because she's so old school. And she 272 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: called me at night, and and I say this and 273 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: every one of my interviews, it just really really always 274 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: resonates to me. When I got on the road, I 275 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: was literally I was on the interstate. I felt myself 276 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: doing over a hundred miles per hour on the interstate, 277 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: not even realizing not I was realizing I was doing it, 278 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: but I not wondering like why I was doing it 279 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: at that moment until I look back at it. So 280 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: I get down there and I'm just like, you know, 281 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: all the usual spots that he might just be like 282 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: I need a breather or I need a moment, and 283 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm just calling around. I don't stop by everybody's house, 284 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: and like, hey, you know, I'm even thinking, does he 285 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: have a new little girlfriend or something, and maybe he's 286 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: over some girls houses. Somebody tell me. But everybody was 287 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: saying I haven't seen him. Not even his friends, like 288 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: his close close friends were saying I haven't seen him. 289 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, I asked one um one person, 290 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: and they were like, well, I heard he witnessed the murder. 291 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: And it just like it felt like I was in 292 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: the twilight zone. It just was like everything stood still, 293 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, when did you when? Yeah, he he 294 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to witness Travis's murder. I'm like what, And 295 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: mind you not? We got the call for Travis the 296 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: week before because my brother is is basically married to 297 00:19:52,440 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: his cousin, so they're directly related to us. So I 298 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: started the panic and I found my sister and I 299 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: was like crying, and I'm just like wait a minute, 300 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, da da da da, And she called me down. 301 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: I stayed all night just up, looking up, looking up, 302 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: looking at I never went back home. And then after 303 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: you you realize like his phone's going straight to voicemail. 304 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: There's no social media activity. When my mom reported him missing, 305 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: he was reported missing as a runaway. And I want 306 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: to make this really really clear to a lot of people. 307 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: A runaway is a missing person. Amen say that again, 308 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: A runaway is a missing person. If you don't know 309 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: where your child is and you think they've ran away, 310 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: the best thing for you to do is still do 311 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: the necessary things that you would do for a missing person, 312 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: because those the tiny The first week is so critical. 313 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: The first week is so critical. But everybody was thinking 314 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: that he was a runaway. He was. He was deemed 315 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: a missing person, but a missing person as a runaway 316 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: because nobody had ever seen anything violently happened to him 317 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: or him being snatched. But it doesn't matter. If a 318 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: person is gone, they're gone. That body is not physically there, 319 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: and that should have the same it should have the 320 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: same treatment as any other missing person because it could 321 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: it could be critical. It is critical, and I gotta 322 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: jump in here a second. Not only is it critical, 323 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: the first three hours are the most critical. And when 324 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement here is runaway, sometimes that's a little more 325 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: relaxed than a kidnapping. But again, at this point, we 326 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened to him, and this was 327 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: at a character. And here's the other thing. For all 328 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: the kids out there that do run away, where do 329 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: you think they go? So they're going to the all 330 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: night gems and the bust nations and here and there 331 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: a place where a predator would go to look for 332 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: the runaway. So they are in so much danger from 333 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: the minute they are missing. And I think that's something 334 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: that you know needs to change. I think the you know, 335 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: the the wording needs to change. Everything about that needs 336 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: to change. And I think that's an excellent point that 337 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: you're bringing up. That you know Jim Clementing who wrote 338 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Criminal Minds and as a former FBI profiler, he says 339 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: that we should never have missing, that we should say endangered. 340 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: And I think he's absolutely right, because if I get 341 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: an alert that says, hey, you know this teenagers run away, 342 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, I guess they're partying with friends. 343 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: If I get an alert that says endangered child, I'm 344 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna stop what I'm doing, I'm gonna look at it, 345 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna share it. And just that difference in language 346 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: changes everything. So Twanta, that's an awesome point. Yeah, because 347 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: the thing about it is most sex trafficking victims that 348 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: goes missing their runaways. They're they're runaways from their home 349 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: and they're looking for a place to go. And these 350 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: people are very easily influenced because they're they're providing them 351 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: with homes that they think and giving them what they 352 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: think they should have, but they're using them as collateral. 353 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: And the missing children or a person's space is it 354 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: has so many different elements of prevention. That's that is 355 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: the key too. Endangered. I'm gonna I'm gonna say that 356 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: word with with missing children, endangered in missing children, because 357 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: prevention is what stops them from being so comfortable with 358 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. I ended up staying down there. 359 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: We had found another phone that he might have had, 360 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: and we thought the people had him, but it wasn't. 361 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: It was a false alarm. Then IRMA. When IRMA came, 362 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: it was just like you literally have to stand still, 363 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: like I had to watch a hurricane passed by. As 364 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: soon as the hurricane was done, I was out of there. 365 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it had I don't know if 366 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: I was in the eye or whatever went As soon 367 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: as I thought it was done, I was out of there, 368 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: you know, after a hurricane. One thing about teenagers. As adults, 369 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: we have our own resources. I have my own money, 370 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: I have my own car. I can I can go 371 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: get lost for a while without anybody even really knowing, 372 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: because I have my own resources. Children don't have resources 373 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: like that. We are their resources. Social media is addictive 374 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: to even adults. So you know children are gonna be 375 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: on there all the time. Once you see those things 376 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: going cold, no social media, you're not trying to contact 377 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: anybody to get any money to to get to eat. 378 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: You're not gonna stay out there without contacting some of 379 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: your resources to eat, to travel to you know what 380 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he wasn't resourceful like that. Fourteen You're 381 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: not resourceful like that. Most four teens aren't resourceful like 382 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: that that are in school, and neither are their friends. Right, 383 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: So when you see that they're not responding to those things, 384 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: you know something has went wrong. You don't want to 385 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: believe it. So I was out and about searching. I 386 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: was out and about just asking questions, and I happened 387 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: to come up on one of a friend of mine, 388 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: and she was like, hey, you know your son. After 389 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: I came back, your son was walking with a group 390 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: of kids and I'm like, well, who was it? Do 391 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: you know who? Do you know who? Kids? It was? 392 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, frantic and she was like one of them 393 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: was such and such and I can't mention that name 394 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: right now because it's an open investigation. So I was like, okay, 395 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: So I go and I find out where he well, 396 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: I knew where he lived because he used to hang 397 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: with some of my other my other kids, and he 398 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: was like I pull up and I'm like, hey, such 399 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: and such. Um. They told me that Jabez was with you. 400 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: Do you know where he went, which way he went, 401 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: what he had on? And he just yelled and he 402 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: said to me, he said, I don't have anything to 403 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: do with what happened to Jabez. I mean, he yelled 404 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: it at the top of his longs at me. And 405 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: when he said it, I was like, what do you 406 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: mean what happened to him? And I just remember, I 407 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: don't really know, Like I said before, I don't really 408 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: know how I got to the police station. I don't 409 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: know how I even drove there because I was so 410 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: I was, I don't know, I don't even remember. I 411 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: just remember getting to the police station and collapsing on 412 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the floor and the police officers are coming out, and 413 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling them that what this kid just said about 414 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: my my baby, And that's when it begot. It got 415 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: way realer than I ever thought, and it would get 416 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: just listening to you, it's like there's just layer upon 417 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: layer upon layer upon layer of just horror. So you 418 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: you get a call that he's missing, Well, that's gut 419 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: wrenching and horrible, and all these things go through your mind. 420 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: Does he have food? Is he hurt? And somebody guide him? 421 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: And then you've got to go and hear that he 422 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: possibly witnessed a murder. Now, any parent whose child witnessed 423 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: a murder, they would be just heartsick for that child 424 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: to have to experience that trauma. And then you've got 425 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: the hurricane where now you know, good and well he's 426 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: not just hold up somewhere with somebody, and then of 427 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: course he's found deceased, and then you learn he was 428 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: also murdered, and it's just like this whole thing has unfolded, 429 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and you're doing the footwork. You're finding the witnesses, you're 430 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: writing down the statements where somebody says to you, I 431 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with what happened at Jabez, 432 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: and you key into what do you mean happened to him? 433 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: And then you've already got a witness that tells you 434 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: he witnessed the murderer of Travis Comb. Yeah, but at 435 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: this time, I mean, I was they after Irma is 436 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: when Saratsota Police Department knew, okay, something's wrong, and they 437 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: had heard about the murder as well. So once when 438 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: I went over, when I when I got to the 439 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: police department again, when I did collapse and I told 440 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: him that what the um young man had said, every 441 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: things turned. It was like a switch came on in 442 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Sarasota County and it was a rap. They had become 443 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: consumed after a while with Jabez because Sarasota County had 444 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: never had any child to go missing without them then 445 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: finding them. The last person that went missing that they 446 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't have a good outcome was Carl Bruscher, and she 447 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: was caught on tape, snatched, later on, raped and murdered. 448 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: So that was they had an impeccable resume of finding 449 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: missing people. So after they realized and a lot of 450 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: pressure coming from different avenues because everybody was now posting 451 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: where is Jabez? So when you start getting these small 452 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: information of like I don't have anything to do with 453 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: what happened to him, you know at this moment, like 454 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: you're you're probably gonna have to be faced with not 455 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: seeing him ever again. And I knew at one point 456 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: that he was gone, because when you're when you carry 457 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: a child, there's something that's still attached to you inside, 458 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: and it was gone from me for him. I could 459 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: feel it. It was just gone. I knew. I knew 460 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: way before that I wasn't looking for a live individual anymore. 461 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: Was I hoping? You always hope in the bag. But 462 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: I knew when I was when when he had a 463 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: private investigator UM working on the case with us and everything, 464 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: and I used to we used to go out all 465 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: the time, all the time, all the time, and you 466 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: don't know whether or not when you're looking for someone 467 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: like that, are you gonna step on their body? My 468 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: main thing was the whole time I searched for him, 469 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: up until the very day they told me. I had 470 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: called that Monday and didn't even know they had found him. 471 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: And I was telling them, Hey, this this is some clues, 472 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: and they had already knew that they had found and 473 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: they just had hadn't. I guess the dental records hadn't 474 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: came back yet. But um, I knew that I didn't. 475 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for a live child anymore. Whatever Jabez 476 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: went through was a journey within itself that night, and 477 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: he went through that journey alone. He didn't have Mama, 478 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: he didn't have grandma, he had no brothers and sisters. 479 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: He went through that alone, you know. And I just 480 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that if he was found, that 481 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: there was somebody that was there with him, to know 482 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: that that somebody that he didn't have to take that 483 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: journey along too. So I don't know. It was very 484 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: It was very important for me to be there when 485 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: he was found. But I guess that God didn't want it. 486 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that wasn't um Maybe that would have been a 487 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: little bit too much for me. But it the night 488 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: they called that nineteen, he was like she she called me, 489 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: and I was all me in teample. She said, hey, 490 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: can you make it down to your mom's house. I 491 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: knew right then the detectives would never call me at 492 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: seven o'clock at night. It helped me to come to 493 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: my mom's house. So I was in the car and 494 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: I was asking my husband. I was like, well, I 495 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: don't think I was asking. I don't think I was 496 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: telling him. I was like, you know, I think they're 497 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: about to tell us that they found your bed. And 498 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: he was like, no, we don't know that yet, this 499 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and the other, and they had the sheriff, they had 500 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: people there to console us, and I think all of 501 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: us were still just like in the back of our hand. 502 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: I think we were still just kind of like no, 503 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: mm hmmm. And I just asked her, said, where did 504 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: you Where did you find him at? Because I had 505 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: looked everywhere. I was only like a hundred yards away 506 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: from his body. I was I had looked everywhere I 507 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: could see. When my mom finally sat down, like a life, 508 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: the life in her was just kind of drained out. 509 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: She was so small, she wasn't eaten because he had 510 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: been missing, and now you could just see the whole 511 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: life from just sucked out. It was a relief of 512 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: finding him because that's why um I chose to do 513 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: advocate work for missing children and persons, because if you 514 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: have someone and you can't find that, you absolutely love 515 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: and would do anything for. It's hard to sleep, it's 516 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: hard to eat. I remember my sister telling me, she 517 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: was like, I feel like it's my fault. My mom 518 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: was saying it was her fault and I was carrying 519 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: the burden and it was my fault. And I had 520 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: to realize one day and actually telling them and sit 521 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: them down and tell them it was not our choice 522 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: for Jabez to ever be kidnapped. It was not our 523 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: choice for him to ever be murdered. This was not 524 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: our decision. And we're not carrying that load. We have 525 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: enough to to bear. We're not carrying that load too. 526 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about street code for a minute. This episode 527 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: is a standalone episode. This is not a series because 528 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: this case does not require us to go week to 529 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: week tweek dissecting this case. This case requires us to 530 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: have a call to action for this community. In Sarah Soda, 531 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: there are people that knew Jabaz Fan that I believe 532 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: have information on who murdered him. Now, I understand if 533 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk to law enforcement. I get it. 534 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: If you're a criminal and you don't want to put 535 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: yourself on law enforce its radar, I'm clear that you 536 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: don't want to look like a punk if you ever 537 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: go to jail and they say, hey, you told on 538 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: so and so, and now you've brought trouble to your 539 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: own front door. I understand if you live in that 540 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: community and you do not want to be retaliated against. 541 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm well aware of all the above. I don't understand 542 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: how snitching is paramount to you not want to live 543 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: next door or down the street, or in the same 544 00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: neighborhood as a killer. So I am asking in anybody 545 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: that has got information, Tell a clergy, tell a social worker, 546 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: call anonymously from a phone that ain't yours. Ask the 547 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: local store if you could borrow their phone and make 548 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: a call so you don't have to quote snitch. But 549 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: you can give law enforcement information. And let me give 550 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: you that tip line nine one three, six, six eight 551 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: four seven seven. And remember there's a fifty thousand dollar reward. 552 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: You and I have talked I don't know how many 553 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: times over the years, and I remember the press conference 554 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: and the officer at the podium, he was choking up, 555 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: he was crying, and uh, he said, you know, I 556 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: just met with them, the mama and the grandmama, other 557 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: family members that I had to tell them, and now 558 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: I gotta come out here and tell y'all. And I 559 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: think that's the part. Sometimes people don't realize that, you know, 560 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: do these cases affect people. I knew its story, I 561 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: knew your story, and I'm sitting here crying like I 562 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: ain't never heard it. And let me tell you something. 563 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: To Wanna's fan, my friend, you better be glad this 564 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: ain't video got me up here. Mascara running looking crazy, 565 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: the puppies looking at me like, hey, I'm not a 566 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: therapy dog. You're on your own, lady, oh mercy. But 567 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: I just you know, I mean, I I tell people 568 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: all the time. You know, the first time we ever 569 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: talked or had any kind of conversations, you're just one 570 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: of those people you kind of feel like you've known. 571 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: And again, you know, just so honest and so open 572 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: with it, and you know your heartbreak is the same. 573 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: You're honest and you're open with it. And I don't 574 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: think there's anybody listening to you that it's not gonna 575 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: get on board with the next thing. I want people 576 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: to know because you told me something good will come. 577 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: You told me absolutely after they found him, that it 578 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: would not be in vain and something has happened in 579 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: Sarasota County. Yes, they have um. They have new protocol 580 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: all the way around from missing missing people, and it's 581 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing because of what happened to Jabaz Span and 582 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: because law enforcement was somewhat slow to respond, only because 583 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: they thought they knew what was happening here. Even his 584 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: grandmother thought he was with friends and just didn't come home. 585 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't until he didn't go to school and then 586 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: when the hurricane hit and then all the electricity was 587 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: out and everybody else was evacuating that they knew something 588 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: terrible had happened. He wasn't just a kids somewhere playing 589 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: video games with friends. He wasn't out running the streets 590 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: and just didn't come home, and he hadn't run away. 591 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: So because of this, Sara Sota County Sheriffs now have 592 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: a new protocol. Whenever there is a missing person, they 593 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: immediately take a report, they immediately dispatch officers, and they 594 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: immediately start a search. That is powerful and that is incredible, 595 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: and that will be the legacy of gabas band I 596 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: was chose to be one of the members of the 597 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: fdl E. The fdl E parents well it's a group, 598 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a board that some of the parents 599 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: serve on for missing children. And sarah Sota County has 600 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: been now exceeded the expectations of what they do for 601 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: missing children. I think people can file, they're alerts now 602 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: are they just don't If it's a missing person, it's 603 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: going on their Facebook. It's gonna they're gonna treat it 604 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,479 Speaker 1: like a missing person. It's not gonna be everybody's gonna 605 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: know that person is missing. And I have to I 606 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: have to say to Sarasota County because it wasn't. It 607 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: broke us, but there was not a dry I and 608 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: when they had to break that to us, they had 609 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: took your beds on. It might have been a rough beginning, 610 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: but once they were all in. It's still to this day, 611 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: some of them bring my mother Christmas presents. You know, 612 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: if you you start to bond. And I needed the community. 613 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: I needed the community so bad that just like, hey, 614 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: step up a little bit, and I didn't. I didn't 615 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: get my mother has been in that community for years, 616 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: forty fifty years. I thought they would do it for her. 617 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: She's she she's kept people's children, she's ran a daycare. 618 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean, people know her church, people know her, and 619 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: not some of the leaders in the community never even 620 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: came by to bring her a president, you know, a 621 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: pie or you know, just the old thing you used 622 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: to do as a community when something has went wrong, likeness. 623 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: They never did that. You know, we had a we 624 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: had a pastor that had information information pertaining to Travis, 625 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: but we don't know if it would have led to 626 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: Gabet and he wouldn't even speak on it. He invoked 627 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: his pasterial rights. And see, that's the thing that blows 628 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: my mind. I'm just nonpulsed by some of the people 629 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: that will not come forward, will not take action. And 630 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, I had a chance to speak to the 631 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: detective ones that I spoke to your private investigator more 632 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: than once. I know their determination, I know their dedication. 633 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about as a whole, as a community, as 634 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: a whole, police, fire, teachers, coaches, next door neighbors. How 635 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: can you be okay with a killer walking among you 636 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: and you just won't tell what? You know? What's even 637 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: more crazy is they rather see a suffer than to 638 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: see the killer caught, because they had to watch us 639 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: suffer while you let that killer out let that let 640 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 1: the killers on the loose. So you basically, you guys 641 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: chose killers over a family that needed needed help to 642 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: find a child, and that was a little I forgive 643 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: everybody because I can't. I can't carry that with me. 644 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to carry that with me. Like I 645 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: said to my mom, you know, one day and you'll 646 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: be there. You'll be there. They're gonna have a trial 647 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: for this, And I told my mom, I don't want 648 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: to go to the trial. I don't want to sit 649 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: through that. I don't want to. I don't think that's 650 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: something I want to do. But sentencing, now, that's that's 651 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: where I want to be because that's where it needs 652 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: to be told of how the suffering of what we 653 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: had to go through, especially my mother. I don't even 654 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: tell you the truth. I don't even care about my 655 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: feelings as much as I do my mom's because she 656 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: was the closest thing to him. She was and you know, 657 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: how do you call and tell your daughter that you 658 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: have lost her child and she left her child with you. 659 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 1: That's a burden to carry. I never mentioned that to her, 660 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: and I never would, but I know that that had 661 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: to be very hard to try to carry, which it 662 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: wasn't her fault, but humanly you would think that to yourself. 663 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That had to be a 664 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: hard phone call. I give honor to my mother for 665 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: the strength that she has, the strength that she's put 666 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: in me to to even carry on, because sometimes I 667 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: was weak and she was the one that with my 668 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 1: husband and you know, I had to really like push 669 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: me to just get topped my bootstraps and just keep 670 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: going because he doesn't have a voice for itself anymore. Well, 671 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,800 Speaker 1: that's something else you're doing. Let's talk about your podcast 672 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: for a minute. It's called Missing Our Voices. The reason 673 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: for the podcast is because I noticed when we were 674 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: having interviews with the news and everything like that, a 675 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: lot of the the stories weren't getting out like that. 676 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: And sometimes when you have a missing child, all you 677 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: really want to know is that you're not forgotten, like 678 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: nobody has forgotten you, and that somebody still wants to 679 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: hear your voice and still wants to hear your child's story. 680 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: So I wanted it to be a more intimate podcast 681 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: between two parents that have had missing children. So when 682 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: you have those two elements together, I know exactly what 683 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: they're they're going through, so my my compassion towards them 684 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: is a is a different element. So when we have 685 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: a conversation, it's very very intimate on the things that 686 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: we're going through. But it also gives them a chance 687 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: to to heal because they get to talk about it. 688 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: They get to express those things that they might have 689 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: never got to express. And it's really crazy because one 690 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: of the one of my guests, when I first met her, 691 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: Jabez was still missing. It was really crazy that met 692 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: her on my Facebook bad Jabez was still missing and 693 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: she was like trying to reach out to help me, 694 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 1: but she was on medication because she couldn't go to 695 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: sleep because her son had been missing and killed. And 696 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: I told her story and I told her, I said, 697 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, some times the very thing that causes us 698 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: pain can be the very thing that heals us. So 699 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: long story short, she's an advocate now in Alabama and 700 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: she's using the very thing that hurt her to heal 701 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 1: her by healing other people. And I just have that 702 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: it's a it's a very soft spot for me for 703 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: people that are missing their kids or missing. You don't 704 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: have to miss your kid, it could be your sister, 705 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: or your brother. So the podcast wanted me. I wanted 706 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: to tell the stories. I wanted them to be able 707 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: to heal through their story. I also um am putting 708 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: on other elements in the podcast. I have one of 709 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: the podcasts that are supposed to come out this week. 710 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: It's a It's with a greeting counselor, and it shows 711 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: people that how they can start healing in this whole process. 712 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: We have guests that's coming on for sex trafficking. We 713 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: have police officers that we're bringing in because when I 714 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,280 Speaker 1: first thought about it, I just wanted to tell the stories, 715 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: but then I was like, we need to tell all 716 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: the elements of what makes this and what people go 717 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: through because those officers they have kids. And one of 718 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,280 Speaker 1: the detectives that worked on my my case, her daughter 719 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: was the same age as um As Jabez when she 720 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: went missing, when he went missing. So every night that 721 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: cop has to go home and look at their child 722 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,959 Speaker 1: knowing that they're looking for someone else's child. So it's 723 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: we don't really get to we don't. We just see 724 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: them as law enforcement, but we don't see that they're 725 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: human beings that are raising their kids and going through 726 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: and taking on this this large amount of pressure and 727 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: have to go home and deal with that. So I 728 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: just think that, um, like with f d l E. 729 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: F d l E, I didn't know until I was 730 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: on that board that they are behind the scenes. They 731 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: have a tremendous amoun ont of stuff that they're doing 732 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: with amber alerts and everything like that. So it's more 733 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 1: than one element that to missing children. And I just 734 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: think that everybody should be able to tell the story 735 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: because everybody is affected with it. It's a community disease 736 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: that's brilliant, absolutely, and f DLI is one of the 737 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: best in the country, There's no question about it. And 738 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: again you don't have to do anything but watch that 739 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: press conference see their devotion and support of you and 740 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: Jabez and you know, trying to solve this thing. So 741 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: let's talk real quick. Where is the case now? Are 742 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: they you know, going back over the scenes. Are they 743 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: trying to connect the dots between Jabez and Combs. Are 744 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,760 Speaker 1: they looking for witnesses? Are they interview and Salemates a Parker? 745 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: What's going on? If you know? All I know right 746 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: now is I do a check up, like at least 747 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: every week to see what's going on, or I try 748 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: to do a check up every week. I know they're 749 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: tired of me now I am. I know they probably 750 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: like this lady is just not gonna give up. UM. 751 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: I don't see how I can. But right now I 752 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: think they're they're just combing through all the parts that 753 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe some of the things that they didn't that they missed. UM. 754 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that they're bringing in some new eyes on 755 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: on everything. Sometimes you need that. But I don't think 756 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: that they stopped. UM. Do I think is as as 757 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: important as it was when it first started. No, Because 758 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: over time, UM, there's other cases that come through, other 759 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: things that come through. So I know it's not at 760 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: the four or forefront. But I do believe that they're 761 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: still actively making sure that this case gets solved. And 762 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: I still believe that it will. I really do. I 763 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,919 Speaker 1: think it's gonna I really think it's gonna be sooner 764 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: than later. I have that feeling too. And I'll tell you, 765 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: if you solve Combes, you'll solve the case of jabad 766 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: Span And it might be the other way around. It's 767 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: your lord, Mike Mama. I'm hoping that Travis's case gets 768 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: gets solved, because you know, they put out like this 769 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: is a drug deal gone wrong or whatever. Travis had 770 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: a son, he worked at a company for almost fifteen years, 771 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: and no matter what it looked like, he still is 772 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: a human being. And I don't like people take the 773 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: element of what they think is going on in someone's 774 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: life away from the element of a person being a 775 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: human being, you know. Um. And I say this to 776 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: say that the picture that was painted like people basically 777 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: tore me down as a person and looked at me 778 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: being a person and all the mistakes I made instead 779 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: of saying, hey, it doesn't matter what she did, this 780 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: is happening, and this is what we focus on. So 781 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: it's just sometimes people, instead of accountability, they would like 782 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: like to you blame game and every last one of 783 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: us in all these cases are human beings that have mothers, 784 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: that are daughters and sons and and none of this, 785 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: none of this deserves to happen to any of them, 786 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely correct, Twanta. I cannot thank you enough for coming 787 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: and being with us tonight and again just open it 788 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: up your heart and sharing something that is just unimaginable. 789 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: But I think everybody listening to you tonight it is 790 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: going to be a better advocate, police officer, detective potential drawer. 791 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you very much. Thank you too. I 792 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you also. So I'm gonna end on seven, like 793 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: I always do, with a quote for somebody that's in myself. 794 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: Seven tonight. It comes from Kelsey German, the sister of 795 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: murder victim Liberty German, who was killed on the bridge 796 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: in Delphi. And Kelsey says, never assume they just ran away. 797 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: Assume the worst and worked down from there, and no 798 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: matter what, don't call off the sirtu. I'm Cheryl mccollumn, 799 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: and this is owe seventh. Next week. The secret hidden 800 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: door inside Brittany's apartment was the killer already inside? Is 801 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: that why there was no forced entry? Join us, and 802 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: here Maggie Zingman tell you about the murder of her daughter, 803 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: Brittany