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Speaker 1: will Survive and what would be left of them? Air
Speaker 1: date March twenty nine, two thousand and six. Wow, girls,
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew. We were getting into the grief
Speaker 1: of it all. Um. The synopsis here is that everyone
Speaker 1: is emotionally dealing with the tragedy through the five stages
Speaker 1: of grief. I kind of liked that they did this
Speaker 1: the flashes of like anger, denial, um Dan has visions
Speaker 1: of a young Keith. Lucas feels it's his fault. Keith
Speaker 1: is dead. Nathan and Haley moved back into the apartment,
Speaker 1: while Brooke moves in with Peyton. Plus we find out
Speaker 1: who released the time capsule. All I have to say is,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Joy, you and James for providing
Speaker 1: the only happiness and levity. God, it's just much sad
Speaker 1: fallout and Nathan and Haley are so sweet. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: needed to see some. There was some healing. I mean
Speaker 1: there was. I loved the healing at the end, which
Speaker 1: we'll get to, but I, uh, yeah, we needed some
Speaker 1: in the midst of everyone else in turmoil. Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley finding that healing in each other and the comfort
Speaker 1: in being grateful for what they have right there in
Speaker 1: their arms. That was really beautiful. And I loved that,
Speaker 1: you know, when when we're experiencing that scene, were there
Speaker 1: in bed after Keith's funeral at the cemetery and then
Speaker 1: everyone's on the way to Karen's. I loved that. To
Speaker 1: all the questions that have been plaguing them for this
Speaker 1: whole season, he's so quick to answer, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, and he said, he said,
Speaker 1: He explains how it was all clarified for him in
Speaker 1: that awful moment. And it's such a universally true human
Speaker 1: thing that when you are in a moment of strife
Speaker 1: or struggle or sadness or whatever, when some when something
Speaker 1: seismic happens, it recalibrates everything, and it puts things in
Speaker 1: perspective in such a clear way, and it turns your
Speaker 1: boogeyman into like individual little problems and you realize how
Speaker 1: small everything is. And and I loved that there was
Speaker 1: someone in our story who was able to have that
Speaker 1: silver lining moment out of the worst, hardest episode. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they were in the room, Jimmy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like these are people on the exterior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan were in the room. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said that, Sophia, because there was a part of me
Speaker 1: as grateful as I was to see that, it was
Speaker 1: also a little bit like, is it kind of insensitive?
Speaker 1: Is it? Are we missing something here? But um, you
Speaker 1: know everybody does deal with grief in different ways, and
Speaker 1: the fact that someone could find healing out of a
Speaker 1: place of grief, it is human and it's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say it was funny. I didn't think I
Speaker 1: would I mean, not funny. It's odd. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I would share this and it and I thought about
Speaker 1: it a lot last week when we watched the shooting episode. Um,
Speaker 1: but I remember going through a loss in my family. Ah,
Speaker 1: and it was a loss because of an incidence of
Speaker 1: gun violence. And our family was in different states when
Speaker 1: it happened, and everyone spent all day on the phone,
Speaker 1: just all the family calling everybody. I mean hours of
Speaker 1: just like tears and sobbing, and I mean, it's trying,
Speaker 1: it's fucking tragedy. And I had plans that night with
Speaker 1: two friends and I said, I'm I'm not going. I'm
Speaker 1: not There's no way, and you know, it's ten o'clock
Speaker 1: at night or whatever in l A. There was no
Speaker 1: getting to another state, there was no flying anywhere. And
Speaker 1: my friends came over here and we're like, put your
Speaker 1: dress on. There is nothing you can do, and we
Speaker 1: are not going to let you sit in this house
Speaker 1: and cry all night. And my friends, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: My friends took me dancing. Yeah, and they were, you
Speaker 1: are going to celebrate. We are going to celebrate harder
Speaker 1: tonight than we have celebrated in recent memory, because we
Speaker 1: better be grateful that we can. And I remember this moment.
Speaker 1: It felt like a movie where I almost felt like
Speaker 1: everything went into slow motion. And I was on the
Speaker 1: dance floor and I was looking at one of my
Speaker 1: girlfriends and we looked over at her boyfriend, and we
Speaker 1: were all just like sweating and laughing, and I started crying,
Speaker 1: and it was like, if you do not take the
Speaker 1: incredible gift of being alive on this planet in this
Speaker 1: moment and like get every ounce of gorgeousness out of it,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? And And I really feel
Speaker 1: like Nathan and Haley in this episode were the reminder
Speaker 1: of that. You guys were the ones that were like, yes,
Speaker 1: feel your grief, feel your feelings. Do the sadness, the depression,
Speaker 1: the anger, the denial, all of it, every one of
Speaker 1: those title cards that we've got in every act. But
Speaker 1: you better, you better take advantage of being alive and
Speaker 1: being in love for the ones who can soak it up.
Speaker 1: Soak it up, Nathan Hale such as they're the entry
Speaker 1: point for it. And then it grows into this party
Speaker 1: that involves the whole school and you guys know, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many people have died in my world in the
Speaker 1: last year. You know, it has been a relentless marathon
Speaker 1: of loss. And I think if I had seen this
Speaker 1: episode as a younger person, I would have had that
Speaker 1: check that you had joy of, like, oh insensitive? Is
Speaker 1: this cringe? E? I don't know if this is cringe E.
Speaker 1: And as an adult, I agree wholeheartedly with you guys.
Speaker 1: If you guys aren't pleasure monsters out there and you're
Speaker 1: not out like actively searching for fun and joy and
Speaker 1: interaction and peace and like all of that the most fulfilling,
Speaker 1: the most fulfilling life, you could possibly go nuts, Just
Speaker 1: go nuts. Don't worry about TACKI go out party, honestly,
Speaker 1: but I love that about the that's it, that's the
Speaker 1: high school party, that's the party in the hallway. Is
Speaker 1: the tacky element. It's like and the fact that, honestly, Sophia,
Speaker 1: it's so inspiring that your friends would show up at
Speaker 1: your house in that moment and be willing to risk
Speaker 1: you being like, how disgusted? How dare you? How dare
Speaker 1: you not honor my grief right now? They were willing
Speaker 1: to risk that scary moment in order to take the
Speaker 1: chance to give you what what they thought you really needed,
Speaker 1: which turned out to be the thing that you needed.
Speaker 1: And you know what it taught me. It taught me
Speaker 1: that like the vacuum that your grief can create, the
Speaker 1: chasm that a loss can open, has to be filled
Speaker 1: with something and and it's balance if you spend all
Speaker 1: day doing this, spend all night doing that, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And I love that they gave Rachel that moment to say,
Speaker 1: who are you to judge how people heal? Everyone's together.
Speaker 1: People need, Yes, go in any room here and have
Speaker 1: any experience you want, but people need to be together.
Speaker 1: And that's what it is for people to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is what you need, but what
Speaker 1: I do know is that I'm going to come hold you.
Speaker 1: What I do know is that you've been you've been
Speaker 1: in sadness and I'm gonna I'm gonna pour joy into you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pour love into you. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: not perfect, and yeah, you're right. Hell it might be.
Speaker 1: Like all these kids in the high school might be tacky,
Speaker 1: but they're together and that's worth something. They're doing it.
Speaker 1: They're just taking the risk and jumping. It's like, just
Speaker 1: take the leap. Yeah, give me, that's no reason to
Speaker 1: hold back, no. I You know, this episode was really
Speaker 1: difficult to watch because the subject matter so serious, and
Speaker 1: I do think they were like really shining elements to
Speaker 1: this episode. You know, those those interactions in particular the
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley of it all, the Brook throwing the
Speaker 1: party seemingly like teamed up with Rachel and Mouth, you know,
Speaker 1: like that trifecta is great those that has been a
Speaker 1: love triangle of its own for the last few episodes,
Speaker 1: and so to see everybody together I felt really really nice.
Speaker 1: There was some stuff, you know that is still like weird,
Speaker 1: like the Pete wentz at all, and also just kind
Speaker 1: of like we didn't talk about it in the last episode,
Speaker 1: but I hated so much of Peyton's dialogue when we
Speaker 1: were in the library, but because the subject matter was
Speaker 1: so serious, it was just like, don't ask questions, just go, go, go,
Speaker 1: go go, And I like that we got to resolve
Speaker 1: that in this episode by Lucas giving Peyton ship in
Speaker 1: the library. That was helpful. That was really helpful. It
Speaker 1: was like, can we make fun of this? Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna make fun of this. Thank you. Because I also
Speaker 1: loved at the end of that conversation you could not
Speaker 1: get out of there fast enough. It was so funny,
Speaker 1: like once you guys had resolved, it was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're good, So we're good, Okay, I'm goodbye. It's really
Speaker 1: reeled though it did. That's what I loved about it.
Speaker 1: I remember this episode. Do you guys remember filming this?
Speaker 1: One of all the ones we've watched in the recent
Speaker 1: you know, recent times, recent months. Yeah, I have like
Speaker 1: physical memories of this me too. Why is that we
Speaker 1: were traumatized? Must have been well and I and we
Speaker 1: were saying it when we watched it. But that scene
Speaker 1: hill of you and I on Peyton's porch at the end,
Speaker 1: I mean visceral. And what I loved is, you know
Speaker 1: when we were doing it and you were jumping on
Speaker 1: my back like that that just happened. You were like
Speaker 1: dolt fall. You didn't want me to drop us both
Speaker 1: on our faces. Well, okay, because so this episode was
Speaker 1: really the last few episodes. It's just like hard stuff
Speaker 1: and almost like life imitating art. When Sophia and I
Speaker 1: shot that scene on Peyton's front porch where it had
Speaker 1: been awkward between Brook and Peyton and like it was
Speaker 1: weird and everything felt segmented and we're trying to put
Speaker 1: everything back together. We shot that at like four o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and it had a crazy long day
Speaker 1: and I've been drinking before we shot that scene, and
Speaker 1: while we were shooting that scene, and so when Brooke
Speaker 1: came up and Payte's just like, Babby, you're here. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I was legitimately happy to see Sophia because
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see her the whole last episode.
Speaker 1: And then when she's just like, I'm sorry and Peyton's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter. I don't know, it just felt
Speaker 1: real that celebratory thing that the kids are doing in
Speaker 1: the school of just trying to open get through the moment.
Speaker 1: Is I think what I was trying to do, because
Speaker 1: we also know season three is when things started to
Speaker 1: go really sideways behind the scenes, and so it just,
Speaker 1: I don't know, the life and art crossing over in
Speaker 1: this episode was very strong for me. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: speak for anybody else, but I felt it. I felt
Speaker 1: all those visceral matt. Maybe it's also because we were
Speaker 1: dealing with such sort of like esoteric topic like big
Speaker 1: topics was beyond just like boys and girls and hurt
Speaker 1: feelings and you know, all of the dastardly villains, and
Speaker 1: I mean this was really we're dealing with life issues.
Speaker 1: What do you do with the concept of justice, what
Speaker 1: do you do with the concept of life after death?
Speaker 1: Or death being the end, or you know, soaking up
Speaker 1: what you have now? Um, where do souls go? What?
Speaker 1: The justice of it all was a major theme in
Speaker 1: this whole thing. What does Lucas do? You know? He
Speaker 1: he demands justice, as he should, and yet there's a
Speaker 1: part of him that's hugely made up of compassion. Where
Speaker 1: do you where do you put that? It's so hard
Speaker 1: to comparementalize all these things. And yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe for me, because we were juggling so
Speaker 1: many big, deep issues, maybe that's why I just remember
Speaker 1: these scenes, like filming these scenes more because it was
Speaker 1: it's more deeply rooted into my soul than a lot
Speaker 1: of the other material that we did. Well, what do
Speaker 1: you remember? Because it was cold as hell. You can
Speaker 1: see Sophia and my breath outside. You can see like
Speaker 1: when they were out on the quad, you can see
Speaker 1: everybody's breath. And then you're in sprinklers supposed to rain
Speaker 1: and cold. I remember that football field. I couldn't never
Speaker 1: rain when it was hot out. I shot a hurricane
Speaker 1: in the summertime, for God's sake. No, that was some
Speaker 1: football field they sent us out on, and um, we lost,
Speaker 1: somebody lost a bet that night. I don't because I know, Sophia.
Speaker 1: They used to bet on between you and I who
Speaker 1: was going to get to set last. But this night
Speaker 1: was there was some bet because I was obviously just
Speaker 1: me and James, and James is always like the first
Speaker 1: to set before everybody and can you never leaves? I know.
Speaker 1: But I stopped it Crafty, I guess because on my
Speaker 1: way back. Yeah, I stopped a Crafty to get a
Speaker 1: cup of tea. And that's why I remember. It was cold,
Speaker 1: and I remember being out there, um, and I remember
Speaker 1: stopping for my cup of tea on the way in
Speaker 1: and I heard Lasted, one of our p a s
Speaker 1: on her walking. She's like, she stopped a Crafty. She
Speaker 1: stopped for tea over, you know, and somebody was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I won. It was just dumb, dumb like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I remember, and then going out on
Speaker 1: that field and getting wet, you know, and then I
Speaker 1: remember being in bed. I remember having those scenes. I
Speaker 1: remember the feeling of James coming up behind me when
Speaker 1: I was you know, I had no my makeup was off,
Speaker 1: and I was like, can you unzip me? Um? Beginning, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the very beginning just like these comfort moments. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Sophia, do you have a this real
Speaker 1: memory of this episode at all? Yeah, remembers those cute
Speaker 1: little kicky boots she had on your Barbararella hairstyle. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Right, I did feel like Barbara Ella at
Speaker 1: that party, which was also weird, but I loved, like,
Speaker 1: I just love. I love looking back at some of
Speaker 1: the early Brooke moments because I remember, you know, the
Speaker 1: earnestness of wanting to get it right as as an actor,
Speaker 1: and also for her thinking like, you know, she's trying
Speaker 1: to do this thing and throw this party, and you know,
Speaker 1: Brooke would probably normally wear like some bright, sparkly dress
Speaker 1: and she's going to be Brooke at a party, but
Speaker 1: she's gonna wear black. You know, the attempts at at
Speaker 1: teenage balance. Um and yeah, I remember I remember coming
Speaker 1: to the porch that night at Peyton's house. Um, I
Speaker 1: remember that conversation I remember, or that sort of visceral
Speaker 1: feeling of having to be vulnerable in a way you
Speaker 1: don't want to be, but it's your best friend and
Speaker 1: you have to be, um, you know, and me having
Speaker 1: to cry and you you being in like such a
Speaker 1: joyful mood and like being a little tipsy and laughing
Speaker 1: and like it was also it was all just very
Speaker 1: genuine and honest. And I do think it's because we
Speaker 1: were dealing with these big questions and to your point, Hillary,
Speaker 1: things were going sideways for so many of us behind
Speaker 1: the scenes at this point, and it was a real
Speaker 1: moment whereas young women, we all experienced in our own
Speaker 1: ways a simultaneous loss of innocence, Like big things that
Speaker 1: we considered to be true broke for all of us,
Speaker 1: and they were breaking for these characters, and it gave
Speaker 1: us a place to put it, but we didn't know
Speaker 1: where to put our feelings really, so I just remember
Speaker 1: how it's like, the feeling I have now is that
Speaker 1: it was sensational. And I don't mean amazing, and I
Speaker 1: don't I mean like the sensations of all of it
Speaker 1: were so heightened. And and I will say the thing
Speaker 1: that I'd forgotten but that hit me like a ton
Speaker 1: of bricks was when we ran up into Peyton's room
Speaker 1: building the shelves, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's where they came from. So much building the shelves.
Speaker 1: That's sweet. You're you're dead on man. That that was yeah,
Speaker 1: because I had just gotten married and it was a
Speaker 1: disaster right away, and I was say and I was
Speaker 1: such a I was such a wreck in my personal life.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was really a disaster. And
Speaker 1: the only place I found solace in that time was
Speaker 1: at work. I would come to work and I was
Speaker 1: Maybe that's another reason why these these scenes started feeling
Speaker 1: so visceral, these episodes that we're watching now, especially this one,
Speaker 1: is that it's, Yeah, the these ideals, these themes, these
Speaker 1: big things that we had planned and thought of in
Speaker 1: our lives, all of a sudden came crashing down in
Speaker 1: all different spaces, all at once, and all we really
Speaker 1: had was each other, and we didn't even know how
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. That's what I'm realizing in
Speaker 1: this moment as you say that joy, is that we
Speaker 1: were all having these really parallel experiences and we were
Speaker 1: so scared to admit we'd messed up. Girls like the
Speaker 1: three of us went through such perfectionist phases were mean
Speaker 1: what I'm were to admit that we'd picked the wrong people,
Speaker 1: that the relationships weren't, we trusted the wrong people that
Speaker 1: we trusted the wrong people, and the people who we
Speaker 1: thought were our mentors were taking advantage of us. Like
Speaker 1: there was so much going on, And I think it's
Speaker 1: part of the reason that the relationships feel so true
Speaker 1: in season three because it was the only place we
Speaker 1: had Catharsis, because think about how many more years it
Speaker 1: took us, you guys, to tell each other the truth,
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, I was really having
Speaker 1: a hard time. Oh my god, I was struggling here.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. This is when I knew that that
Speaker 1: this was bad. This is when I knew I had
Speaker 1: to get out. This is when I knew I needed help.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, it took us like three more years.
Speaker 1: So we went through this chasm where we were it
Speaker 1: was like our scenes were our therapy almost. I'm really
Speaker 1: it was practice. Holy hell. It feels like I ever
Speaker 1: thought about that before. You know, I don't know about
Speaker 1: you guys, but by the time we shot this episode,
Speaker 1: we're like, what five six months into our shooting season.
Speaker 1: We probably shot this in January or February. We usually
Speaker 1: started like August, late July. Um and the subject matter
Speaker 1: of this season, it's like Haley's had to grovel the
Speaker 1: whole time it's just finally like getting some comfort. Brooke
Speaker 1: has gone through it with Lucas, like don't you do it,
Speaker 1: don't you break my heart? You know, don't make me
Speaker 1: cry again. We're all crying about Peyton. That dead mom's
Speaker 1: you name it, she gets shot, all the things. I
Speaker 1: was exhausted, yes, and the the scene with Brooke resonates
Speaker 1: so much with me. And then the scene with you
Speaker 1: two in the apartment resonated so much because it just
Speaker 1: felt like a release, like having a couple of drinks
Speaker 1: and then just like like loving on someone and being like, God,
Speaker 1: it's just good to be with you felt so nice
Speaker 1: and real, and that blurry nous between like what is
Speaker 1: Sophia and Hillary and what is Brooke and Peyton? What
Speaker 1: is Brooke and Haley and what is Sophie and Joy?
Speaker 1: Like that blurry nous, I think is what kept it
Speaker 1: alive or me. You know, we have, like you said,
Speaker 1: we had three more years of doing this and we
Speaker 1: had been acting our relationships out on screen. But this
Speaker 1: is when it started to feel really like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say confusing, but it was confusing because it
Speaker 1: was like real. It was like, well, I know Sophie's
Speaker 1: not going to like like grab my boob, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like there are certain like safety
Speaker 1: nets you have with the other women at work, and
Speaker 1: so I knew that if we were just together we
Speaker 1: were okay. We were going to be okay. And there's
Speaker 1: also something I think to that point of how tired
Speaker 1: we were. The material was exhausting, and and that loss
Speaker 1: of innocence was exhausting, and we didn't necessarily have the
Speaker 1: wherewithal or the energy two then commune about how exhausting
Speaker 1: it was, like we were in survival mode. So the
Speaker 1: way were able to commune with each other sometimes was
Speaker 1: in those that felt so honest and I could see
Speaker 1: you but you didn't have to say it, and you
Speaker 1: could see me and I didn't have to say it,
Speaker 1: but we'd see it, and it was just it was
Speaker 1: like enough soul fuel to keep us all going. Well,
Speaker 1: this was so scary because they killed Craig, Like if
Speaker 1: if they could kill Craig Off, none of us were safe.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a very jarring moment. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is really where it's like man actors are skeed up
Speaker 1: because this is the kind of thing that, like in
Speaker 1: normal life, you would have adults around you who would
Speaker 1: be like, honey, you need to go talk to a therapist. Honey,
Speaker 1: you need to go find your girlfriends and get your
Speaker 1: best ones together and go have a cocktail and just
Speaker 1: let it all out. But instead we were bottling everything
Speaker 1: up and using our work to feel our emotions and
Speaker 1: have a relationship with each other. That's so messed up,
Speaker 1: you guys. We did it for you, guys, congratulation for you. Well,
Speaker 1: think about how many times though we'd have moments where
Speaker 1: it would start because you're right, joy. In any normal world,
Speaker 1: someone would have gone, high, sweet girl, I think you're
Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. High, sweet girl, I think this
Speaker 1: dynamic is toxic. Hi, your boss is a sexual predator. Like,
Speaker 1: nobody was doing that for us, and he not information
Speaker 1: for you. And the people who were the perpetrators were like,
Speaker 1: this is great fuel for God. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, of course, we're all nuts. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if the SAG representative like, because we have a
Speaker 1: screenersild the sagrap can I come to set like, hey,
Speaker 1: sweet girl, you're gonna talk. Get that funk out of here,
Speaker 1: are you? We were like a group of feral cats.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think it's so it is
Speaker 1: so interesting and joy I remember I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember this a couple of years ago. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about some of these parallels we
Speaker 1: were experiencing at the time, and we both were like,
Speaker 1: isn't it like, do you feel like emotionally you're ten
Speaker 1: years younger than you are? And you were like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember us being like, we're thirty, but I
Speaker 1: think we're really twenty because for all of our twenties
Speaker 1: they trapped us. Yeah, we missed out. I totally missed
Speaker 1: out of my twenties. I'm like the youngest forty year
Speaker 1: old I know. But like we in a way are
Speaker 1: emotionally ten years younger than our age because we were
Speaker 1: frozen in this weird high school time capsule. And it
Speaker 1: was only after we got out of it and we
Speaker 1: started like doing the growth for all those years that
Speaker 1: we had put on hold because we were told and
Speaker 1: and we cared. It was like, well, I can't screw
Speaker 1: this up. I can't bring my personal life anywhere with me.
Speaker 1: I have to do the job. I don't want to
Speaker 1: let the fans down. I want the fans to love
Speaker 1: this I want. We had all this thing for each other,
Speaker 1: for our crew, for our audience, and man, I remember
Speaker 1: when we all started going to therapy and we were like, ship,
Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about. There's a lot
Speaker 1: to fix and needs to give me a tool kid quick. Wow,
Speaker 1: it seems as though I have to run you through
Speaker 1: a very large set of chapters. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's the worst part about finding a therapist is that
Speaker 1: you have this so much to lug in there and
Speaker 1: and like open up all these suitcase You'll just bring them.
Speaker 1: You just need to like, do you have a DVD player?
Speaker 1: Can I hope you sign the DVD that is your
Speaker 1: face on it, like we've always have. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: being a therapist and having an actor as just like guys,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. That's too much. Um, there's there
Speaker 1: is speaking of therapy. There's some serious mommy issues in
Speaker 1: this episode. Um, because Lucas probably more than ever like
Speaker 1: needs his mother. You know, he's taking ownership of this
Speaker 1: awful thing that's happened. As kids do write, if your
Speaker 1: parents get divorced, if something bad happens at home, if
Speaker 1: you fail in some capacity, it's all on you. When
Speaker 1: you're a teenager um and Lucas is blaming himself for
Speaker 1: Keith running into that building, and it hit me like
Speaker 1: a ton of bricks that rather than be like Lucas,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, you know exactly what Hailey
Speaker 1: says to him. Karen's like, yeah, yeah, this is on you, kid.
Speaker 1: I mean that was bananas. That was wild. Do you
Speaker 1: think it was realistic? Well, here's what I will say.
Speaker 1: What I noticed watching it back that I didn't catch
Speaker 1: when we did it is that she snaps when she
Speaker 1: finds out that first he ran into the fire to
Speaker 1: get damn and like literally he ran into a burning building.
Speaker 1: He could have died. And then he ran into a
Speaker 1: metaphorically burning building again, it feels more like she was
Speaker 1: using that as a tool to Yeah, I thought what
Speaker 1: Moira did beautifully, and in the hands of someone who
Speaker 1: isn't as thoughtful and communicative as her, it might have failed.
Speaker 1: What I caught this time when she was yelling at
Speaker 1: him about being selfish is I could have lost you.
Speaker 1: I could have lost you. I lost Keith. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't lose I just had the losing has to stop.
Speaker 1: And it was brutal and by the way because drama, like,
Speaker 1: that's how we get TV series drama, Like a mom.
Speaker 1: I doubt a mom would do that, but she made
Speaker 1: it more tricky creatures man, you're you know what. As
Speaker 1: soon as I said it, I was like, that's trophy.
Speaker 1: That's not true. They're just as tricky as everyone else.
Speaker 1: It would be hard to see a mom do that.
Speaker 1: But Moira did something with it that that I caught
Speaker 1: this time that I hadn't caught before that I thought
Speaker 1: was beautiful. That is so tough. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: be in a situation where it's truly yourself. It's you
Speaker 1: or your child. And I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: she I think it was necessary in a way that
Speaker 1: he needed that wake up call that he was. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, if you if you're
Speaker 1: a heroic person, if that's built into you. There are
Speaker 1: people who run into burning buildings and that's their makeup,
Speaker 1: that's who they are. Yeah, but they usually do it
Speaker 1: with like gear and oxygen masks on, you know. And
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of a mother's point, right.
Speaker 1: It's like it is a little bit of a it's
Speaker 1: a TV heroism. It's like, oh, you think you can
Speaker 1: just run in there. You're not thinking about the reality.
Speaker 1: And it feels to me like she's so broken by
Speaker 1: the reality of it, and she wants him to have
Speaker 1: a dose of reality. And and as often happens in
Speaker 1: moments of extreme trauma or stress, it all comes outsideways
Speaker 1: like it, Yeah, it gets dumped on him in a
Speaker 1: way that is heartbreaking. Oh, but like you can see
Speaker 1: why the writers did it right. Sometimes I think when
Speaker 1: I see something that makes me so uncomfortable, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did the writers do that? I have to I
Speaker 1: have to find some logic otherwise I'm gonna grow up
Speaker 1: from the stress. Well, it's like when you're kids little
Speaker 1: and they run out in the street, and you've got
Speaker 1: to have a big reaction. Right If you're just like baby,
Speaker 1: don't do that, they'll do it again. But if you're
Speaker 1: like ever, you know, And so it was almost like
Speaker 1: a reaction to a toddler, right where they don't understand words,
Speaker 1: yet they understand energy, and so her energy has to
Speaker 1: frighten him, so he stops this pattern of heroism. But
Speaker 1: the thing that's missing here is that in you know,
Speaker 1: in my experience, in kind of parenting, you've got good
Speaker 1: cop and dad cop. You know, I'm always bad cop.
Speaker 1: My husband's always good cop. That's how it's always going
Speaker 1: to be. And Keith was historically good cop. Good cop,
Speaker 1: and good cops gone to talk bad cop off the ledge.
Speaker 1: Do you know, like if that makes sense, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: I have to be both. I have to be a
Speaker 1: good cop and got cop at the same time. But
Speaker 1: you know, we had um I won't go into too
Speaker 1: many details, but we had a death of a family
Speaker 1: pet that was very dear and beloved and it was
Speaker 1: not a natural death, and uh, in my estimation in
Speaker 1: the moment, it was my daughter's faults. And she, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the moment, looks up to me over
Speaker 1: our dying animal and stares at me in the eyes
Speaker 1: with giant tears in her eyes, and she says, is
Speaker 1: this my fault? And I'm looking at her and everything
Speaker 1: inside of me wants to scream, yes, yes, this is
Speaker 1: of course, this is your fault. And it was like you,
Speaker 1: you are faced with these moments and I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: had some as well, Hillary in your life where you're
Speaker 1: faced at these moments of like I am going to
Speaker 1: I am going to this will stay with her forever
Speaker 1: if my answer is yes, the answer is no, it's
Speaker 1: not your fault. And then later we can talk about
Speaker 1: once the grieving is over and life is a little
Speaker 1: bit back to normal, we can have conversations about responsibility
Speaker 1: and you know, her own conscience will do its work.
Speaker 1: I don't need to jump on the bandwagon. But it
Speaker 1: was like everything stopped, everything slowed down, time froze, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to make this impossible choice
Speaker 1: because this was a deep, deep, deep loss to me
Speaker 1: and I have to put myself in my need for
Speaker 1: vengeance and justice just side and do what is best
Speaker 1: for her right now. And it was one of the
Speaker 1: hardest things I've had to do in a in a
Speaker 1: split second, was really hard. Um. But I felt that
Speaker 1: when I was watching Karen, and I agree with you
Speaker 1: that she was using that as a tool that he
Speaker 1: needed in that moment um. But it is it's so
Speaker 1: hard to watch. It's so hard as a mom. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta make those calls sometimes. You saying that
Speaker 1: thing about good cop being gone also made me flashback
Speaker 1: to her breaking down picking up the adoption paperwork at
Speaker 1: Keith's apartment, because in a way, she realizes like, this
Speaker 1: was my this was my best guy, this is my
Speaker 1: good person, and that's where she loses it. And I
Speaker 1: in a way, now, hearing you say that makes me
Speaker 1: think that that was probably part of what was resonating
Speaker 1: for Moira in her backstory of it's because this missing.
Speaker 1: This is why I screamed at my kid missing, This
Speaker 1: is why I did it wrong. And oh god, that
Speaker 1: just that guts me. Yeah. Well, and also there's a
Speaker 1: part of me that just loves that. Like once Lucas
Speaker 1: is not in his mother's good graces anymore, he's like, yeah, Brooks,
Speaker 1: sleep in my bed. This is gonna be awesome rules anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, Like she mean like teenagers are so messy,
Speaker 1: and that's I guess we did that better than anybody.
Speaker 1: We're like, let's just we're like pig pens. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna make the biggest best possible. Can you mention if
Speaker 1: Karen had come into his room after just like reading
Speaker 1: him the hald Act and find Brooke in his room,
Speaker 1: Have you been drinking at a party? What are you?
Speaker 1: She would have given up. I think she would have
Speaker 1: just walked out, Like I even have the ant. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm moving to Delaware. I'm done with you. Get out
Speaker 1: um Whitey's. Whitey's story was really sad. Thank you for
Speaker 1: bringing that up. Oh my gosh, that broke my heart.
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. And Barry walking in with the mug
Speaker 1: from his desk, and Lucas thinks he's in so much
Speaker 1: trouble and then why he just pours himself here out
Speaker 1: of the keg. That was so that was another moment
Speaker 1: of levity that we needed. I loved that and Lucas
Speaker 1: needed that. It's life. Look, you have to do do
Speaker 1: what did he say? It was something about honoring who
Speaker 1: he said, Did you write it down? I wrote it down.
Speaker 1: He said who Keith was? He said, be the man
Speaker 1: Keith taught you to be. Anything less will make this
Speaker 1: a much greater tragedy than it already is. Yes, so
Speaker 1: he puts on the suit and goes to Jimmy's funeral.
Speaker 1: That's what Keith would have wanted. WHOA. That's intense. Antoine
Speaker 1: did such a good job of carrying the emotional load
Speaker 1: of having that talk with Lucas, because really, everyone else
Speaker 1: in Lucas's life is kind of I don't know, transferring
Speaker 1: their own feelings like Brook is like I'm insecure about this,
Speaker 1: you know, and Peyton's like I love you, I don't
Speaker 1: love you, I don't care anyway, moving on, you know,
Speaker 1: and the mouth is holding onto it just internally, parent's
Speaker 1: flipping the funk out on him. Why he's talking about
Speaker 1: is dead. Why Nathan and Haley are like, we're here
Speaker 1: for you, but we're also like bonding and like doing
Speaker 1: our own thing. And so there's all this transference and
Speaker 1: the person that comes in and it's just really steady
Speaker 1: with Lucas and rational and is listening skills. And those
Speaker 1: River Court boys were my favorite part of this episode,
Speaker 1: you know, like seeing them all in the car together,
Speaker 1: seeing that childhood bond that you guys, that that is
Speaker 1: the thing that made me choke up because my son
Speaker 1: and his friends, like you watch these kids grow up,
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Edwards moms standing there surrounding by these
Speaker 1: boys got me, It really did. Gus has gone to
Speaker 1: school with the same kids since preschool, and I'm watching
Speaker 1: them all like kind of change now, and like some
Speaker 1: of them are jocks, and some of them are theater nerds,
Speaker 1: and some of them are just like totally weird, and
Speaker 1: some of them are really into TikTok, and you know,
Speaker 1: like they're all different people, and the idea of them
Speaker 1: all being like sixteen, seventeen years old and showing up
Speaker 1: in such a responsible way. Mm hmm, it's yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of forgiveness is amazing. It was beautimazing And there was
Speaker 1: really something too I need I need a parachute out
Speaker 1: of this emotion, So I'm going to get technical for
Speaker 1: a second. Um. There there were some really weird choices
Speaker 1: in this episode, Like the split screens felt really like
Speaker 1: soap Opara was like, what is happening? Whose show is this?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? And then the end when Lucas
Speaker 1: says to Karen, it's what Keith would have wanted, And
Speaker 1: the next shot is that slow pan up Keith's car
Speaker 1: and that beautiful pullback to reveal all the boys. All
Speaker 1: those boys were really in the moment. You could see
Speaker 1: the thoughts on their faces. They're not saying anything, but
Speaker 1: it's so honest. And then the slow mo the like
Speaker 1: reservoir dog shot of them all in suits walking up
Speaker 1: the hill. I was like, that's what our show does. Well.
Speaker 1: It was they had gone a little too far in
Speaker 1: trying to communicate some things and then and then they
Speaker 1: just let watching people feel feelings be the device, and
Speaker 1: there was something so metaphorically beautiful about like them being
Speaker 1: in his car, like Keith is the reason they went.
Speaker 1: He carried them to Jimmy's mom, Like, oh god, watching
Speaker 1: people feel feelings? Can we just put that as the
Speaker 1: synopsis of our show forever? Like that? When we try
Speaker 1: to do more, it's, you know, gimmicky and weird, but
Speaker 1: watching people feel feelings, that's literally it's that's the good
Speaker 1: part of Yeah. How about Dan in the cemetery. That
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me. I thought he did a
Speaker 1: really nice job with that, but it was just such
Speaker 1: a um, I don't know, it was interesting to watch
Speaker 1: somebody continue to double down. I mean, once you make
Speaker 1: choices that far and like that, there's just no other
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get out of it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you climb out of that. We just
Speaker 1: watched him in a steady decline into hell madness. And
Speaker 1: I will say that's also got to be pretty wild.
Speaker 1: As an actor, your three years into your show, you
Speaker 1: know your character, and then you get a script and
Speaker 1: you're like freaking out in a cemetery, yelling at ghosts okay,
Speaker 1: and Paul committed, like he just like, you want to
Speaker 1: see me do it? Watch me, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And he really like he looked manic and his eyes
Speaker 1: and it was like it was a side of him
Speaker 1: that we hadn't seen. And I love when you see
Speaker 1: somebody really commit. That's refreshing. Something's got to happen to
Speaker 1: you after you kill someone. Oh, I can't even you guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're just talking about this
Speaker 1: before the episode started, like all this stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: covering for the Sundance series that I do, which is
Speaker 1: all about awful murderers, you know, people who put innocent
Speaker 1: people in jail, like the worst things you can do
Speaker 1: as a human. And when we shot this show, I
Speaker 1: thought it was so far vetched. I was just like, yes,
Speaker 1: this does not happen, and I'm literally making a TV
Speaker 1: show right now about this happening everywhere. And when people
Speaker 1: do something awful, they double down the they It is
Speaker 1: so rare for someone to admit I'm as human nature.
Speaker 1: The double down is so scary to me because I
Speaker 1: just didn't think that was the human default, and it is.
Speaker 1: And you'll see like people that we trust, you know,
Speaker 1: like judges, prosecutors, cops, like all these people that we
Speaker 1: should be trusting. Preachers, Oh my god, so many preachers
Speaker 1: this year. Um So a Dann Scott in a small
Speaker 1: town is just another two. Yeah, that's what I was
Speaker 1: going to say. When you were saying that, I was like,
Speaker 1: and how crazy is it when you see it on
Speaker 1: like a grand scale, Like, yeah, a politician does something insane,
Speaker 1: an act of war happens, and they double down double
Speaker 1: downs weird, Like we're watching it happen in Ukraine. Everyone
Speaker 1: in the world is like, what what is Russia doing?
Speaker 1: And they just keep going and you're like, okay, so
Speaker 1: y'all want to double down so hard that we're like
Speaker 1: people are fighting with bombs around nuclear reactors. Nobody, nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna say maybe this was a bad idea, because it
Speaker 1: starts with that's the small stuff. It starts with the
Speaker 1: small small things that we normally do. I do it,
Speaker 1: you do it, We all do it. We all do
Speaker 1: the double down, we all do them. We feel the
Speaker 1: moment of threat, and it's like it takes a lot
Speaker 1: of courage and intentionality and humility to stop yourself in
Speaker 1: your tracks and say shit, I messed up. I don't
Speaker 1: want to continue down this road. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to you and you and you. I'm turning around.
Speaker 1: I'm going the other direction. That is that is what's
Speaker 1: the word, I'm looking human. It's like, that's beyond what
Speaker 1: we are, you know, naturally inclined to do and and
Speaker 1: so yeah, it starts in all the small moments for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is wild to watch that and you know, talking
Speaker 1: Hill to you about your documentary show and these cases,
Speaker 1: it's it's given me that same feeling watching our show back,
Speaker 1: like watching the Dan of it All everywhere They're everywhere.
Speaker 1: Isn't that so scary to figure out? As a grown
Speaker 1: up It's like it's a kid, I would have never
Speaker 1: bought it, and as a grown up, it's just like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that makes it makes it
Speaker 1: easy to get taken advantage of when you're young, because
Speaker 1: you don't want to live life. You don't want to
Speaker 1: walk around looking at the world with cynicism and assuming
Speaker 1: that people are going to take advantage of you. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's hard. That's one of the big hard lessons
Speaker 1: in life is that there are a lot of dance
Speaker 1: Scots in the world. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are totally willing, more than willing to take advantage
Speaker 1: of you if you don't see it, if they if
Speaker 1: you let them. Um. So it's it's really that's been
Speaker 1: a hard balance for me. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: you guys journeys through. I mean don't know a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to how do I how do I
Speaker 1: go through life continuing to believe the best about people
Speaker 1: and yet be wise enough to recognize and discern when
Speaker 1: someone is not out for my best interests, when they're
Speaker 1: just really looking out of themselves. Well that's why, so
Speaker 1: joy remember years ago when we started talking about getting,
Speaker 1: you know, tattoos on our feet. That's why when after
Speaker 1: my particularly shitty season three year, I got my tattoos
Speaker 1: are white because I just can't sit in the makeup.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not going to refuse. I know they're there.
Speaker 1: I can still horrible. But that's why in that, like
Speaker 1: in in the philosophy of you know, Eastern tradition that
Speaker 1: teaches you about balance, walking the middle path my literal
Speaker 1: goal after having been a blind sided optimist, and now
Speaker 1: I think I would after being battle tested. I'd probably
Speaker 1: call myself a battered optimist, but I want to hold on.
Speaker 1: That's why I put two of the principles of that balance,
Speaker 1: compassion and wisdom, on the insides of my feet, and
Speaker 1: they touch every day. The idea that you have to
Speaker 1: be wise enough to not let your heart be taken
Speaker 1: advantage of, but have a compassionate heart that isn't so
Speaker 1: wise that it's cynical. Yeah, and that what is that? That?
Speaker 1: Why is as a serpent innocent as a dove? I
Speaker 1: still don't know. I still don't know. I put that,
Speaker 1: I put that ink in my feet. It was the
Speaker 1: worst pain, you know, seventeen years ago or whatever that was,
Speaker 1: and it's still I asked myself that question all the time,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be suspicious. Then you go
Speaker 1: through a betrayal from a partner or from someone who
Speaker 1: you called a best friend, and you go, oh, you
Speaker 1: used me as a stepping stone, or oh you used
Speaker 1: me to bolster your reputation or whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: you go, fuck. I don't want to think everybody's as
Speaker 1: bad as you, But if somebody I loved as much
Speaker 1: as you could be this bad well mouth mouth is
Speaker 1: living that in this moment. We have loved the Mouth
Speaker 1: and Rachel trajectory, right, And if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about bad guys doubling down, Rachel's doing the exact opposite
Speaker 1: of that. Rachel is saying, hey, she does it. I
Speaker 1: messed up and she yeah, she owns it. That was
Speaker 1: a really interesting scene. You guys wanna wanna cruise through
Speaker 1: that one which starts off with's middrift for so long
Speaker 1: they just held her cute stomach in the shot over
Speaker 1: Lee's face. Yeah, that was stuff going on behind the scenes. Um,
Speaker 1: and again to our exhaustion, you know, it felt like
Speaker 1: every episode things were escalating behind the scenes in a
Speaker 1: way that was really hard and two to watch it
Speaker 1: back now, I remember just Danielle always kind of being
Speaker 1: an object, which was really frustrating because she was carrying
Speaker 1: emotional way. In this episode, she's like there with Brooke,
Speaker 1: She's confessing to Mouth she had like hard work to do,
Speaker 1: and she's quite capable as well. I mean she's she's
Speaker 1: handling it well. Um, if they had spent more time
Speaker 1: on her eyes and paying attention to what she was
Speaker 1: actually thinking, because daniel is someone who's always thinking, which
Speaker 1: as an actress is so interesting to watch. And if
Speaker 1: they had spent any time really allowing her just settling
Speaker 1: and allowing her to just think and you would be fascinated.
Speaker 1: But she still carries it. She still carries so much
Speaker 1: of this emotion really well. And I love that you
Speaker 1: called that she did. She did the opposite of the
Speaker 1: double down. She let it out because she didn't want
Speaker 1: to turn into Um, the kind of person that just
Speaker 1: continues to find excuses for why she deserves to do
Speaker 1: what she wants. Yeah, I love that. Would you think
Speaker 1: about mouth is speech? Mouth is? Would you think about
Speaker 1: mouth is speech? What you think about? Lee Norris is
Speaker 1: the unsung hero of of the last two episodes in
Speaker 1: a way because he's carrying so much silently. He had
Speaker 1: not many lines. I mean, he did have a little speech,
Speaker 1: but most of the time the camera was on him,
Speaker 1: it was just pushing in on him feeling. We're watching
Speaker 1: someone feel their feelings. That's just so complicated. My god,
Speaker 1: I don't know how do you how do you wrestle
Speaker 1: through that? And the way that he Um carried the
Speaker 1: emotions that so many of us were feeling as audience
Speaker 1: members of loving this character and then watching a beloved
Speaker 1: character kill another, Well, he didn't, but everybody thinks that
Speaker 1: he did. But watching watching a beloved character be seen
Speaker 1: in in a misunderstood light help me. The whole world
Speaker 1: thinks that Jimmy Edwards killed Keith you, And so that's
Speaker 1: the reality in their world, even though it's not true. Um,
Speaker 1: to know that someone you love died, but to have
Speaker 1: them died dishonorably is really difficult. To have them be
Speaker 1: stolen from you. Yeah, you know, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: that's a theft. Someone being murdered is a is a
Speaker 1: theft from your life. Someone dying in an accident feels
Speaker 1: feels like a theft from your life. And those River
Speaker 1: court boys especially are carrying so much. And I loved
Speaker 1: that Skills was a voice of reason saying he was sick.
Speaker 1: You know if what he didn't say was if our
Speaker 1: friend did this, he was sick, but it was communicated
Speaker 1: on Antwine's face and in the way he spoke saying
Speaker 1: he was sick. And and that scene between yeah, it
Speaker 1: was the first moment where you saw them wrestling with
Speaker 1: we loved this person, and this person we loved did
Speaker 1: something hateful, as they know currently, as they believe that
Speaker 1: jim the person who we loved, did something we hate
Speaker 1: and how do we how do we reconcile that? And
Speaker 1: that's a profound question that many of us have to ask,
Speaker 1: you know, living in the world, that's hard for grown
Speaker 1: ups to ask, let alone sixteen year old boys. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't have the tools. Um. I like that. Skills
Speaker 1: was the voice of reason for that, and and mouth
Speaker 1: and you can see the parents in the room. You know.
Speaker 1: The actress who played Jimmy's mom was a very good actress.
Speaker 1: She didn't get dialogue. Um. And she is someone who
Speaker 1: was a character actress in the Wilmington area for a
Speaker 1: really long time. Um. Yeah, she was wonderful. No, it's
Speaker 1: just such a heavy subject matter. There's a part of
Speaker 1: me that's just like, okay, let's get past I feel
Speaker 1: that kind of immature energy of let's get past it.
Speaker 1: And the thing that pulled me out of it in
Speaker 1: this episode, you know what I'm gonna say, In the
Speaker 1: scene where Rachel and you know, where Haley and Nathan
Speaker 1: are slow dancing in the hallway, it pulls out and
Speaker 1: I see my keen brother making out with some chick
Speaker 1: as a as a background extra, And we're sitting there
Speaker 1: watching this like beautiful scene between Joy and James, and
Speaker 1: they're just like like saying all the things that we
Speaker 1: need to hear, and all I see is my brother
Speaker 1: with mutton chops, suck and face with some chick. Like
Speaker 1: that was a full man knacking. Don't make TV with
Speaker 1: your family members. It's gross. It's just gross, you know what.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was probably payback for him having
Speaker 1: to see me like make out with Greenberg and Chad
Speaker 1: and James ever and who else did I get? Um? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a rents make out in this episode, although
Speaker 1: he obviously they're invisibly deeply inappropriate, but also like what
Speaker 1: a sweet dude, and and and Larry just references that
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, he's you shouldn't be picking
Speaker 1: up my teenage daughter, but have fun in that limout
Speaker 1: Like what, Yeah, I need to ask him. I need
Speaker 1: to ask him so many questions about this. You know.
Speaker 1: Pete is in like an overlapping circle with like some
Speaker 1: of my closest friends. So there's many a many a
Speaker 1: game night or like a football game that I see
Speaker 1: him at our mutual friend's house. He's so lovely and
Speaker 1: his sweet wife is so lovely, Like he's just so great,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, next time I see him, i
Speaker 1: gotta be like, did you feel like a creep was
Speaker 1: a weird you know? The record label was like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be awesome and it's gonna cool cool, Well,
Speaker 1: and we are all actually the same age. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. I don't think anybody clocked
Speaker 1: it at the time, because we are all the same age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we needed that time. Abby wants to know if the
Speaker 1: writers regret if we think the writers regretted killing off
Speaker 1: Keith because they never stopped bringing him up the rest
Speaker 1: of the series. Yeah, I guess I bet they did.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't remember exactly what money. It was,
Speaker 1: just money, money, money, control, control, control. You know, he
Speaker 1: was one of the highest paid actors on the show
Speaker 1: when we signed on to do the pilot, because he
Speaker 1: was a known entity. And if you notice, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the grown ups start dropping like flies or
Speaker 1: disappearing because that money is not and redistributed, but um,
Speaker 1: it's just being spent differently. And so they made a
Speaker 1: you know, a financial decision, executive decisions, you know, for
Speaker 1: many of us like this was our first job. They
Speaker 1: didn't have to pay us much. And the you know,
Speaker 1: having a bunch of younger actors who were making low
Speaker 1: wages in our industry versus a bunch of older actors
Speaker 1: with like quotes and credits who were being paid what
Speaker 1: they were worth. You know, the less money they could
Speaker 1: pay to those actors, the more money the producers and
Speaker 1: people could keep for themselves. Well, and the whole mythology too.
Speaker 1: Remember they're okay, So the networks we were on, w
Speaker 1: B and c W were just like we're young kids,
Speaker 1: were young you know, we're young adults. It was the
Speaker 1: young adult channel. All the other networks had sitcoms that
Speaker 1: catered towards adults. We were young adult, young adults. And
Speaker 1: so with the CW with like them changing their whole
Speaker 1: deal in the last month, did you see that data
Speaker 1: that got tweeted out that the average age of a
Speaker 1: CW viewer is fifty eight years old. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like fifty six or fifty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and everyone on social media was like, that's crazy, And
Speaker 1: we're sitting here watching these episodes back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not crazy at all. Do you know much comfort
Speaker 1: I find as a woman in the forties watching teenagers.
Speaker 1: It's well, that's the thing, it's nostalgia TV. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I will say something else that's interesting, And
Speaker 1: I feel like this is out in the world right
Speaker 1: now too. There's some things happening in a television landscape,
Speaker 1: and people are talking about how a lot of studios
Speaker 1: and a lot of very powerful producers like to treat
Speaker 1: their actors like they are expendable. Yes, and some of
Speaker 1: you said it is like a policy where they're like,
Speaker 1: I want the actors to know they're expendable. And then
Speaker 1: what happens is you try to make one of them
Speaker 1: the scapegoat, like our bosses did with Craig. They said, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill off Craig Cheffer, and that will scare
Speaker 1: the rest of the actors. And you know what happens.
Speaker 1: Fans never stopped talking about the actor who they made expendable.
Speaker 1: So then they can never stop talking about the actor
Speaker 1: who they made expendable, and they learned their lesson. It
Speaker 1: is a nice slice of humble pie for people who,
Speaker 1: you know, treat people like product instead of like people.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, yeah, I think they regretted it.
Speaker 1: I think they had to eat it every day for
Speaker 1: the next six years. Yeah, and the three people on
Speaker 1: this show who missed Craig dearly, I'm thrilled that you
Speaker 1: guys helped us make them eat it every single damn.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. A wonderful fans. Are
Speaker 1: we going to spend a wheel? Spend a wheel? Most
Speaker 1: likely to to eat something off the ground? Eating off
Speaker 1: the ground probably me, shut up. Depends on what the
Speaker 1: ground is. I mean, yeah, it depends on what the
Speaker 1: ground is. But I'm a pretty big proponent of a
Speaker 1: five second role. I'm like, listen, is good for your
Speaker 1: immune system? I don't know what you want for me
Speaker 1: kind of the same, as long as the food, as
Speaker 1: long as the something in question isn't soggy or has
Speaker 1: dog hair on it, because I can't handle if there's
Speaker 1: on it. My gag reflex is so bad. We can't
Speaker 1: even talk about that. I just like, look, I've dropped, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just as long as it's not soggy. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not eating ice cream off the ground. But Sophia's
Speaker 1: most Thanksgiving roast is now suspicion. Um. Wait, but what
Speaker 1: character do we think is the one. I think it's
Speaker 1: probably something they would have made Junk do, and Colin
Speaker 1: would have made it so funny. Yeah that's a good call.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like he would have really gotten into it
Speaker 1: in a way that nobody else would and made it real,
Speaker 1: real funny. I love it. I love it all right,
Speaker 1: you guys, what is happening next episode? It's episode eighteen
Speaker 1: when it isn't like it should be. That doesn't sound hopeful.
Speaker 1: That sounds depressing too. I think we're going to be
Speaker 1: sad for a while. You guys, all right, it's a
Speaker 1: good thing. We have fun with each other. Yea, give
Speaker 1: us some cocktail recipe from m F Libations my next week,
Speaker 1: we need a cocktail. Okay, I'll come with a drink
Speaker 1: next week, guys, listen, we're gonna make drinks and we'll
Speaker 1: probably talk lots more about the camera moves because it
Speaker 1: helps us. You know, when the Deep did in that
Speaker 1: sone tech talk, just tech talk. Alright. I love you, guys.
Speaker 1: Hopefully my brother is not kissing anyone next week. God,
Speaker 1: I hope so. Um you guys let us. I love you.
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