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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queens Hi Everyone, Season three, Episode seventeen, Who

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Speaker 1: will Survive and what would be left of them? Air

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Speaker 1: date March twenty nine, two thousand and six. Wow, girls,

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Speaker 1: we knew, we knew. We were getting into the grief

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Speaker 1: You just need to like, do you have a DVD player?

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00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: Can I hope you sign the DVD that is your

427
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: face on it, like we've always have. Can you imagine

428
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: being a therapist and having an actor as just like guys,

429
00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. That's too much. Um, there's there

430
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: is speaking of therapy. There's some serious mommy issues in

431
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: this episode. Um, because Lucas probably more than ever like

432
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: needs his mother. You know, he's taking ownership of this

433
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: awful thing that's happened. As kids do write, if your

434
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: parents get divorced, if something bad happens at home, if

435
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: you fail in some capacity, it's all on you. When

436
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: you're a teenager um and Lucas is blaming himself for

437
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: Keith running into that building, and it hit me like

438
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: a ton of bricks that rather than be like Lucas,

439
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, you know exactly what Hailey

440
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: says to him. Karen's like, yeah, yeah, this is on you, kid.

441
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean that was bananas. That was wild. Do you

442
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: think it was realistic? Well, here's what I will say.

443
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: What I noticed watching it back that I didn't catch

444
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: when we did it is that she snaps when she

445
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: finds out that first he ran into the fire to

446
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: get damn and like literally he ran into a burning building.

447
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: He could have died. And then he ran into a

448
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: metaphorically burning building again, it feels more like she was

449
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: using that as a tool to Yeah, I thought what

450
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: Moira did beautifully, and in the hands of someone who

451
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: isn't as thoughtful and communicative as her, it might have failed.

452
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: What I caught this time when she was yelling at

453
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: him about being selfish is I could have lost you.

454
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: I could have lost you. I lost Keith. I can't

455
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: I can't lose I just had the losing has to stop.

456
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: And it was brutal and by the way because drama, like,

457
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: that's how we get TV series drama, Like a mom.

458
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I doubt a mom would do that, but she made

459
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: it more tricky creatures man, you're you know what. As

460
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: soon as I said it, I was like, that's trophy.

461
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: That's not true. They're just as tricky as everyone else.

462
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: It would be hard to see a mom do that.

463
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: But Moira did something with it that that I caught

464
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: this time that I hadn't caught before that I thought

465
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: was beautiful. That is so tough. It's so hard to

466
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: be in a situation where it's truly yourself. It's you

467
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: or your child. And I agree with you. I think

468
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: she I think it was necessary in a way that

469
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: he needed that wake up call that he was. You know,

470
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, if you if you're

471
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: a heroic person, if that's built into you. There are

472
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: people who run into burning buildings and that's their makeup,

473
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that's who they are. Yeah, but they usually do it

474
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: with like gear and oxygen masks on, you know. And

475
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of a mother's point, right.

476
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: It's like it is a little bit of a it's

477
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: a TV heroism. It's like, oh, you think you can

478
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: just run in there. You're not thinking about the reality.

479
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: And it feels to me like she's so broken by

480
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: the reality of it, and she wants him to have

481
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: a dose of reality. And and as often happens in

482
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: moments of extreme trauma or stress, it all comes outsideways

483
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: like it, Yeah, it gets dumped on him in a

484
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: way that is heartbreaking. Oh, but like you can see

485
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: why the writers did it right. Sometimes I think when

486
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I see something that makes me so uncomfortable, I'm like,

487
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: why did the writers do that? I have to I

488
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: have to find some logic otherwise I'm gonna grow up

489
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: from the stress. Well, it's like when you're kids little

490
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: and they run out in the street, and you've got

491
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: to have a big reaction. Right If you're just like baby,

492
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: don't do that, they'll do it again. But if you're

493
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: like ever, you know, And so it was almost like

494
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: a reaction to a toddler, right where they don't understand words,

495
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: yet they understand energy, and so her energy has to

496
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: frighten him, so he stops this pattern of heroism. But

497
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: the thing that's missing here is that in you know,

498
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: in my experience, in kind of parenting, you've got good

499
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: cop and dad cop. You know, I'm always bad cop.

500
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: My husband's always good cop. That's how it's always going

501
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: to be. And Keith was historically good cop. Good cop,

502
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: and good cops gone to talk bad cop off the ledge.

503
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Do you know, like if that makes sense, Yeah, it does.

504
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I have to be both. I have to be a

505
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: good cop and got cop at the same time. But

506
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, we had um I won't go into too

507
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: many details, but we had a death of a family

508
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: pet that was very dear and beloved and it was

509
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: not a natural death, and uh, in my estimation in

510
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: the moment, it was my daughter's faults. And she, you know,

511
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: in the in the moment, looks up to me over

512
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: our dying animal and stares at me in the eyes

513
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: with giant tears in her eyes, and she says, is

514
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: this my fault? And I'm looking at her and everything

515
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: inside of me wants to scream, yes, yes, this is

516
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: of course, this is your fault. And it was like you,

517
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you are faced with these moments and I'm sure you've

518
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: had some as well, Hillary in your life where you're

519
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: faced at these moments of like I am going to

520
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I am going to this will stay with her forever

521
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: if my answer is yes, the answer is no, it's

522
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: not your fault. And then later we can talk about

523
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: once the grieving is over and life is a little

524
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: bit back to normal, we can have conversations about responsibility

525
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: and you know, her own conscience will do its work.

526
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't need to jump on the bandwagon. But it

527
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: was like everything stopped, everything slowed down, time froze, and

528
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to make this impossible choice

529
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: because this was a deep, deep, deep loss to me

530
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: and I have to put myself in my need for

531
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: vengeance and justice just side and do what is best

532
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: for her right now. And it was one of the

533
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: hardest things I've had to do in a in a

534
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: split second, was really hard. Um. But I felt that

535
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: when I was watching Karen, and I agree with you

536
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: that she was using that as a tool that he

537
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: needed in that moment um. But it is it's so

538
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: hard to watch. It's so hard as a mom. You

539
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta make those calls sometimes. You saying that

540
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: thing about good cop being gone also made me flashback

541
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: to her breaking down picking up the adoption paperwork at

542
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: Keith's apartment, because in a way, she realizes like, this

543
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: was my this was my best guy, this is my

544
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: good person, and that's where she loses it. And I

545
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: in a way, now, hearing you say that makes me

546
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: think that that was probably part of what was resonating

547
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: for Moira in her backstory of it's because this missing.

548
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: This is why I screamed at my kid missing, This

549
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: is why I did it wrong. And oh god, that

550
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: just that guts me. Yeah. Well, and also there's a

551
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: part of me that just loves that. Like once Lucas

552
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: is not in his mother's good graces anymore, he's like, yeah, Brooks,

553
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: sleep in my bed. This is gonna be awesome rules anymore,

554
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, Like she mean like teenagers are so messy,

555
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: and that's I guess we did that better than anybody.

556
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: We're like, let's just we're like pig pens. We're just

557
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna make the biggest best possible. Can you mention if

558
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: Karen had come into his room after just like reading

559
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: him the hald Act and find Brooke in his room,

560
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Have you been drinking at a party? What are you?

561
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: She would have given up. I think she would have

562
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: just walked out, Like I even have the ant. She's like,

563
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm moving to Delaware. I'm done with you. Get out

564
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: um Whitey's. Whitey's story was really sad. Thank you for

565
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: bringing that up. Oh my gosh, that broke my heart.

566
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. And Barry walking in with the mug

567
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: from his desk, and Lucas thinks he's in so much

568
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: trouble and then why he just pours himself here out

569
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: of the keg. That was so that was another moment

570
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: of levity that we needed. I loved that and Lucas

571
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: needed that. It's life. Look, you have to do do

572
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: what did he say? It was something about honoring who

573
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: he said, Did you write it down? I wrote it down.

574
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: He said who Keith was? He said, be the man

575
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Keith taught you to be. Anything less will make this

576
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: a much greater tragedy than it already is. Yes, so

577
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: he puts on the suit and goes to Jimmy's funeral.

578
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: That's what Keith would have wanted. WHOA. That's intense. Antoine

579
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: did such a good job of carrying the emotional load

580
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: of having that talk with Lucas, because really, everyone else

581
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: in Lucas's life is kind of I don't know, transferring

582
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: their own feelings like Brook is like I'm insecure about this,

583
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, and Peyton's like I love you, I don't

584
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: love you, I don't care anyway, moving on, you know,

585
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: and the mouth is holding onto it just internally, parent's

586
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: flipping the funk out on him. Why he's talking about

587
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: is dead. Why Nathan and Haley are like, we're here

588
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: for you, but we're also like bonding and like doing

589
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: our own thing. And so there's all this transference and

590
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the person that comes in and it's just really steady

591
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: with Lucas and rational and is listening skills. And those

592
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: River Court boys were my favorite part of this episode,

593
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, like seeing them all in the car together,

594
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: seeing that childhood bond that you guys, that that is

595
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: the thing that made me choke up because my son

596
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: and his friends, like you watch these kids grow up,

597
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Edwards moms standing there surrounding by these

598
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: boys got me, It really did. Gus has gone to

599
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: school with the same kids since preschool, and I'm watching

600
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: them all like kind of change now, and like some

601
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: of them are jocks, and some of them are theater nerds,

602
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: and some of them are just like totally weird, and

603
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: some of them are really into TikTok, and you know,

604
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: like they're all different people, and the idea of them

605
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: all being like sixteen, seventeen years old and showing up

606
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: in such a responsible way. Mm hmm, it's yeah, kind

607
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: of forgiveness is amazing. It was beautimazing And there was

608
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: really something too I need I need a parachute out

609
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: of this emotion, So I'm going to get technical for

610
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: a second. Um. There there were some really weird choices

611
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: in this episode, Like the split screens felt really like

612
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: soap Opara was like, what is happening? Whose show is this?

613
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: What are we doing? And then the end when Lucas

614
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: says to Karen, it's what Keith would have wanted, And

615
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: the next shot is that slow pan up Keith's car

616
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: and that beautiful pullback to reveal all the boys. All

617
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: those boys were really in the moment. You could see

618
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: the thoughts on their faces. They're not saying anything, but

619
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: it's so honest. And then the slow mo the like

620
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: reservoir dog shot of them all in suits walking up

621
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: the hill. I was like, that's what our show does. Well.

622
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: It was they had gone a little too far in

623
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: trying to communicate some things and then and then they

624
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: just let watching people feel feelings be the device, and

625
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: there was something so metaphorically beautiful about like them being

626
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: in his car, like Keith is the reason they went.

627
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: He carried them to Jimmy's mom, Like, oh god, watching

628
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: people feel feelings? Can we just put that as the

629
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: synopsis of our show forever? Like that? When we try

630
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: to do more, it's, you know, gimmicky and weird, but

631
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: watching people feel feelings, that's literally it's that's the good

632
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: part of Yeah. How about Dan in the cemetery. That

633
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me. I thought he did a

634
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: really nice job with that, but it was just such

635
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: a um, I don't know, it was interesting to watch

636
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: somebody continue to double down. I mean, once you make

637
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: choices that far and like that, there's just no other

638
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get out of it. I

639
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know how you climb out of that. We just

640
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: watched him in a steady decline into hell madness. And

641
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: I will say that's also got to be pretty wild.

642
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: As an actor, your three years into your show, you

643
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: know your character, and then you get a script and

644
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: you're like freaking out in a cemetery, yelling at ghosts okay,

645
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: and Paul committed, like he just like, you want to

646
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: see me do it? Watch me, I'm gonna do it.

647
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: And he really like he looked manic and his eyes

648
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: and it was like it was a side of him

649
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: that we hadn't seen. And I love when you see

650
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: somebody really commit. That's refreshing. Something's got to happen to

651
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: you after you kill someone. Oh, I can't even you guys,

652
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're just talking about this

653
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: before the episode started, like all this stuff that I'm

654
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: covering for the Sundance series that I do, which is

655
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: all about awful murderers, you know, people who put innocent

656
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: people in jail, like the worst things you can do

657
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: as a human. And when we shot this show, I

658
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: thought it was so far vetched. I was just like, yes,

659
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: this does not happen, and I'm literally making a TV

660
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: show right now about this happening everywhere. And when people

661
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: do something awful, they double down the they It is

662
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: so rare for someone to admit I'm as human nature.

663
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: The double down is so scary to me because I

664
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: just didn't think that was the human default, and it is.

665
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: And you'll see like people that we trust, you know,

666
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: like judges, prosecutors, cops, like all these people that we

667
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: should be trusting. Preachers, Oh my god, so many preachers

668
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: this year. Um So a Dann Scott in a small

669
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: town is just another two. Yeah, that's what I was

670
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: going to say. When you were saying that, I was like,

671
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: and how crazy is it when you see it on

672
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: like a grand scale, Like, yeah, a politician does something insane,

673
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: an act of war happens, and they double down double

674
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: downs weird, Like we're watching it happen in Ukraine. Everyone

675
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: in the world is like, what what is Russia doing?

676
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: And they just keep going and you're like, okay, so

677
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: y'all want to double down so hard that we're like

678
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: people are fighting with bombs around nuclear reactors. Nobody, nobody's

679
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna say maybe this was a bad idea, because it

680
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: starts with that's the small stuff. It starts with the

681
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: small small things that we normally do. I do it,

682
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: you do it, We all do it. We all do

683
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: the double down, we all do them. We feel the

684
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: moment of threat, and it's like it takes a lot

685
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: of courage and intentionality and humility to stop yourself in

686
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: your tracks and say shit, I messed up. I don't

687
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: want to continue down this road. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

688
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to you and you and you. I'm turning around.

689
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm going the other direction. That is that is what's

690
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: the word, I'm looking human. It's like, that's beyond what

691
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: we are, you know, naturally inclined to do and and

692
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, it starts in all the small moments for sure. Yeah,

693
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: it is wild to watch that and you know, talking

694
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Hill to you about your documentary show and these cases,

695
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: it's it's given me that same feeling watching our show back,

696
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: like watching the Dan of it All everywhere They're everywhere.

697
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: Isn't that so scary to figure out? As a grown

698
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: up It's like it's a kid, I would have never

699
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: bought it, and as a grown up, it's just like, yeah, well,

700
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that makes it makes it

701
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: easy to get taken advantage of when you're young, because

702
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: you don't want to live life. You don't want to

703
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: walk around looking at the world with cynicism and assuming

704
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: that people are going to take advantage of you. Um,

705
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: and it's hard. That's one of the big hard lessons

706
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: in life is that there are a lot of dance

707
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: Scots in the world. There are a lot of people

708
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: who are totally willing, more than willing to take advantage

709
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: of you if you don't see it, if they if

710
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: you let them. Um. So it's it's really that's been

711
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: a hard balance for me. And I don't know what

712
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: you guys journeys through. I mean don't know a little bit,

713
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: but it's hard to how do I how do I

714
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: go through life continuing to believe the best about people

715
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: and yet be wise enough to recognize and discern when

716
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: someone is not out for my best interests, when they're

717
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: just really looking out of themselves. Well that's why, so

718
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: joy remember years ago when we started talking about getting,

719
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, tattoos on our feet. That's why when after

720
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: my particularly shitty season three year, I got my tattoos

721
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: are white because I just can't sit in the makeup.

722
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not going to refuse. I know they're there.

723
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: I can still horrible. But that's why in that, like

724
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: in in the philosophy of you know, Eastern tradition that

725
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: teaches you about balance, walking the middle path my literal

726
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: goal after having been a blind sided optimist, and now

727
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I think I would after being battle tested. I'd probably

728
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: call myself a battered optimist, but I want to hold on.

729
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: That's why I put two of the principles of that balance,

730
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: compassion and wisdom, on the insides of my feet, and

731
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: they touch every day. The idea that you have to

732
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: be wise enough to not let your heart be taken

733
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: advantage of, but have a compassionate heart that isn't so

734
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: wise that it's cynical. Yeah, and that what is that? That?

735
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: Why is as a serpent innocent as a dove? I

736
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: still don't know. I still don't know. I put that,

737
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: I put that ink in my feet. It was the

738
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: worst pain, you know, seventeen years ago or whatever that was,

739
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: and it's still I asked myself that question all the time,

740
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be suspicious. Then you go

741
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: through a betrayal from a partner or from someone who

742
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: you called a best friend, and you go, oh, you

743
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: used me as a stepping stone, or oh you used

744
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: me to bolster your reputation or whatever it is, and

745
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: you go, fuck. I don't want to think everybody's as

746
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: bad as you, But if somebody I loved as much

747
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: as you could be this bad well mouth mouth is

748
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: living that in this moment. We have loved the Mouth

749
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: and Rachel trajectory, right, And if you want to talk

750
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: about bad guys doubling down, Rachel's doing the exact opposite

751
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: of that. Rachel is saying, hey, she does it. I

752
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: messed up and she yeah, she owns it. That was

753
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: a really interesting scene. You guys wanna wanna cruise through

754
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: that one which starts off with's middrift for so long

755
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: they just held her cute stomach in the shot over

756
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Lee's face. Yeah, that was stuff going on behind the scenes. Um,

757
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: and again to our exhaustion, you know, it felt like

758
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: every episode things were escalating behind the scenes in a

759
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: way that was really hard and two to watch it

760
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: back now, I remember just Danielle always kind of being

761
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: an object, which was really frustrating because she was carrying

762
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: emotional way. In this episode, she's like there with Brooke,

763
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: She's confessing to Mouth she had like hard work to do,

764
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: and she's quite capable as well. I mean she's she's

765
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: handling it well. Um, if they had spent more time

766
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: on her eyes and paying attention to what she was

767
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: actually thinking, because daniel is someone who's always thinking, which

768
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: as an actress is so interesting to watch. And if

769
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: they had spent any time really allowing her just settling

770
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: and allowing her to just think and you would be fascinated.

771
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: But she still carries it. She still carries so much

772
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: of this emotion really well. And I love that you

773
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: called that she did. She did the opposite of the

774
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: double down. She let it out because she didn't want

775
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: to turn into Um, the kind of person that just

776
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: continues to find excuses for why she deserves to do

777
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: what she wants. Yeah, I love that. Would you think

778
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: about mouth is speech? Mouth is? Would you think about

779
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: mouth is speech? What you think about? Lee Norris is

780
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: the unsung hero of of the last two episodes in

781
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: a way because he's carrying so much silently. He had

782
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: not many lines. I mean, he did have a little speech,

783
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: but most of the time the camera was on him,

784
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: it was just pushing in on him feeling. We're watching

785
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: someone feel their feelings. That's just so complicated. My god,

786
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how do you how do you wrestle

787
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: through that? And the way that he Um carried the

788
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: emotions that so many of us were feeling as audience

789
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: members of loving this character and then watching a beloved

790
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: character kill another, Well, he didn't, but everybody thinks that

791
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: he did. But watching watching a beloved character be seen

792
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: in in a misunderstood light help me. The whole world

793
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: thinks that Jimmy Edwards killed Keith you, And so that's

794
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: the reality in their world, even though it's not true. Um,

795
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: to know that someone you love died, but to have

796
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: them died dishonorably is really difficult. To have them be

797
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: stolen from you. Yeah, you know, that's a that's a

798
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: that's a theft. Someone being murdered is a is a

799
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: theft from your life. Someone dying in an accident feels

800
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: feels like a theft from your life. And those River

801
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: court boys especially are carrying so much. And I loved

802
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: that Skills was a voice of reason saying he was sick.

803
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: You know if what he didn't say was if our

804
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: friend did this, he was sick, but it was communicated

805
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: on Antwine's face and in the way he spoke saying

806
00:48:51,520 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: he was sick. And and that scene between yeah, it

807
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: was the first moment where you saw them wrestling with

808
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: we loved this person, and this person we loved did

809
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: something hateful, as they know currently, as they believe that

810
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: jim the person who we loved, did something we hate

811
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and how do we how do we reconcile that? And

812
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: that's a profound question that many of us have to ask,

813
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, living in the world, that's hard for grown

814
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: ups to ask, let alone sixteen year old boys. You know,

815
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: they don't have the tools. Um. I like that. Skills

816
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: was the voice of reason for that, and and mouth

817
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: and you can see the parents in the room. You know.

818
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: The actress who played Jimmy's mom was a very good actress.

819
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: She didn't get dialogue. Um. And she is someone who

820
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: was a character actress in the Wilmington area for a

821
00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: really long time. Um. Yeah, she was wonderful. No, it's

822
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: just such a heavy subject matter. There's a part of

823
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: me that's just like, okay, let's get past I feel

824
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: that kind of immature energy of let's get past it.

825
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: And the thing that pulled me out of it in

826
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: this episode, you know what I'm gonna say, In the

827
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: scene where Rachel and you know, where Haley and Nathan

828
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: are slow dancing in the hallway, it pulls out and

829
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: I see my keen brother making out with some chick

830
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: as a as a background extra, And we're sitting there

831
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: watching this like beautiful scene between Joy and James, and

832
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: they're just like like saying all the things that we

833
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: need to hear, and all I see is my brother

834
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: with mutton chops, suck and face with some chick. Like

835
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that was a full man knacking. Don't make TV with

836
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: your family members. It's gross. It's just gross, you know what.

837
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: I feel like that was probably payback for him having

838
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: to see me like make out with Greenberg and Chad

839
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: and James ever and who else did I get? Um? Oh, yeah,

840
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: you had a rents make out in this episode, although

841
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: he obviously they're invisibly deeply inappropriate, but also like what

842
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: a sweet dude, and and and Larry just references that

843
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, he's you shouldn't be picking

844
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: up my teenage daughter, but have fun in that limout

845
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: Like what, Yeah, I need to ask him. I need

846
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: to ask him so many questions about this. You know.

847
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Pete is in like an overlapping circle with like some

848
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: of my closest friends. So there's many a many a

849
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Speaker 1: game night or like a football game that I see

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Speaker 1: him at our mutual friend's house. He's so lovely and

851
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Speaker 1: his sweet wife is so lovely, Like he's just so great,

852
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, next time I see him, i

853
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: gotta be like, did you feel like a creep was

854
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: a weird you know? The record label was like, this

855
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Speaker 1: is gonna be awesome and it's gonna cool cool, Well,

856
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: and we are all actually the same age. Yeah, that's

857
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Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. I don't think anybody clocked

858
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Speaker 1: it at the time, because we are all the same age. Yeah,

859
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: we needed that time. Abby wants to know if the

860
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Speaker 1: writers regret if we think the writers regretted killing off

861
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Speaker 1: Keith because they never stopped bringing him up the rest

862
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Speaker 1: of the series. Yeah, I guess I bet they did.

863
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't remember exactly what money. It was,

864
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: just money, money, money, control, control, control. You know, he

865
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: was one of the highest paid actors on the show

866
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: when we signed on to do the pilot, because he

867
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Speaker 1: was a known entity. And if you notice, all of

868
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, the grown ups start dropping like flies or

869
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: disappearing because that money is not and redistributed, but um,

870
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: it's just being spent differently. And so they made a

871
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, a financial decision, executive decisions, you know, for

872
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: many of us like this was our first job. They

873
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't have to pay us much. And the you know,

874
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: having a bunch of younger actors who were making low

875
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: wages in our industry versus a bunch of older actors

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00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: with like quotes and credits who were being paid what

877
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: they were worth. You know, the less money they could

878
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: pay to those actors, the more money the producers and

879
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: people could keep for themselves. Well, and the whole mythology too.

880
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: Remember they're okay, So the networks we were on, w

881
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Speaker 1: B and c W were just like we're young kids,

882
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: were young you know, we're young adults. It was the

883
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: young adult channel. All the other networks had sitcoms that

884
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: catered towards adults. We were young adult, young adults. And

885
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: so with the CW with like them changing their whole

886
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: deal in the last month, did you see that data

887
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: that got tweeted out that the average age of a

888
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: CW viewer is fifty eight years old. It was like

889
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: it was like fifty six or fifty eight years old,

890
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: and everyone on social media was like, that's crazy, And

891
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: we're sitting here watching these episodes back and I'm like,

892
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: it's not crazy at all. Do you know much comfort

893
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: I find as a woman in the forties watching teenagers.

894
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: It's well, that's the thing, it's nostalgia TV. And you

895
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: know what, I will say something else that's interesting, And

896
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: I feel like this is out in the world right

897
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: now too. There's some things happening in a television landscape,

898
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: and people are talking about how a lot of studios

899
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of very powerful producers like to treat

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Speaker 1: their actors like they are expendable. Yes, and some of

901
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: you said it is like a policy where they're like,

902
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: I want the actors to know they're expendable. And then

903
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: what happens is you try to make one of them

904
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Speaker 1: the scapegoat, like our bosses did with Craig. They said, well,

905
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Speaker 1: we're gonna kill off Craig Cheffer, and that will scare

906
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Speaker 1: the rest of the actors. And you know what happens.

907
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: Fans never stopped talking about the actor who they made expendable.

908
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: So then they can never stop talking about the actor

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: who they made expendable, and they learned their lesson. It

910
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: is a nice slice of humble pie for people who,

911
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, treat people like product instead of like people.

912
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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, yeah, I think they regretted it.

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Speaker 1: I think they had to eat it every day for

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Speaker 1: the next six years. Yeah, and the three people on

915
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: this show who missed Craig dearly, I'm thrilled that you

916
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Speaker 1: guys helped us make them eat it every single damn.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. A wonderful fans. Are

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Speaker 1: we going to spend a wheel? Spend a wheel? Most

919
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Speaker 1: likely to to eat something off the ground? Eating off

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Speaker 1: the ground probably me, shut up. Depends on what the

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Speaker 1: ground is. I mean, yeah, it depends on what the

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Speaker 1: ground is. But I'm a pretty big proponent of a

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Speaker 1: five second role. I'm like, listen, is good for your

924
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: immune system? I don't know what you want for me

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00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of the same, as long as the food, as

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Speaker 1: long as the something in question isn't soggy or has

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Speaker 1: dog hair on it, because I can't handle if there's

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Speaker 1: on it. My gag reflex is so bad. We can't

929
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Speaker 1: even talk about that. I just like, look, I've dropped, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just as long as it's not soggy. Like, no,

931
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Speaker 1: I'm not eating ice cream off the ground. But Sophia's

932
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: most Thanksgiving roast is now suspicion. Um. Wait, but what

933
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: character do we think is the one. I think it's

934
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: probably something they would have made Junk do, and Colin

935
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: would have made it so funny. Yeah that's a good call.

936
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like he would have really gotten into it

937
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: in a way that nobody else would and made it real,

938
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: real funny. I love it. I love it all right,

939
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Speaker 1: you guys, what is happening next episode? It's episode eighteen

940
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: when it isn't like it should be. That doesn't sound hopeful.

941
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: That sounds depressing too. I think we're going to be

942
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: sad for a while. You guys, all right, it's a

943
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: good thing. We have fun with each other. Yea, give

944
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: us some cocktail recipe from m F Libations my next week,

945
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: we need a cocktail. Okay, I'll come with a drink

946
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: next week, guys, listen, we're gonna make drinks and we'll

947
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: probably talk lots more about the camera moves because it

948
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: helps us. You know, when the Deep did in that

949
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Speaker 1: sone tech talk, just tech talk. Alright. I love you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully my brother is not kissing anyone next week. God,

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Speaker 1: I hope so. Um you guys let us. I love you.

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00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're getting through it together. By hey, Hey, Hey,

953
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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

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Speaker 1: ride at our comic girl cheering for the right drama

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