1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Lisa Matteo. Here 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: are the top stories we're following today. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 3: Lisa, we begin with the latest on efforts to end 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: the war in Ukraine. A Secretary of State Marco Rubio 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 3: says a lot of progress has been made in talks 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: with Ukrainian officials in Geneva. The US is pressuring Ukraine 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: to accept a twenty eight point plan to end Russia's 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: war as a basis for negotiations. President Trump has said 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 3: Ukraine should take the deal by this Thursday, but Secretary 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: Rubio says that date is not set in stone. 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 4: The deadline is we want to get this done as 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 4: soon as possible. Obviously, you know we'd love it to 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 4: be Thursday. We'd love to be Ultimately. The important point 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 4: today is that we have made substantial progress. We've really 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 4: moved forward. So I feel very optimistic that we're going 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: to get there in a very reasonable period of time, 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 4: very soon. 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke alongside Ukraine Chief of 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Staff andre Yermak in Geneva after preparing what they're both 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: called an updated and refined framework document on Peace. Bloomberg's 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Oliver Krook reports more work may need to be done 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: to get Ukraine on board. 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 5: There's really been a. 25 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 6: Lot of pushback, particularly from the European side, to basically 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 6: not give any additional territory than the Russians are control 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 6: right now. There has been this push from the United 28 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 6: States to give the entirety of the Dawn Bass to 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 6: the Russians, which they do not currently control. That is 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 6: one of the points that really pushes back. But really 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 6: the most sort of irrelevant point and the most important 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 6: point for the Ukrainians is around this idea of security guarantees. 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Oliver Krook reports Ukraine's looking for protection from the 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 3: US along the lines of NATO's Article five mutual Defense clause. 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: It's also rejecting Russia's demand that Ukraine give up unoccupied 36 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: territory in its East. 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: Back in Washington, Nathan Treasury Secretary Scott Besson says President 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: Trump is focused on bringing costs down for Americans. 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 7: We believe healthcare is going to come down. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 8: We will see an announcement this coming week on that, 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 8: and so across the board, prices are starting to come down. 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Scott Besson appeared on NBC's Meete the Press 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: Heard every Sunday right here in Bloomberg Radio. President Trump 44 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: has urged Republicans to come up with a plan by 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: January thirtieth. George Rush health insurance premiums that are set 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: to spike whin subsidies expire at the end of the year. 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: Political reports the White House is expected to announce a 48 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: two year extension to the subsidies, along with new income 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: caps to qualify that for the tax credits and minimum 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: premium payments. 51 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: Let's turn to the markets now. Lisa futures are mainly 52 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: higher this morning as we kick off a holiday shortened 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: trading week. Stocks rallied Friday on optimism the Fed may 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: cut rates next month. Phil Blancato, chief market strategist at OAIAC, 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: is still. 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 9: Concious valuations are true pricey, and some of the economic 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 9: data of the unknowns have put us in this very 58 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 9: wildly market. So I think we're in for a bit 59 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 9: more volatility, especially with some of the dates not lining 60 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 9: up as to when we're going to get new data 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 9: and when the next FED meeting is. So sadly, we're 62 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 9: feeling like twenty eighteen again and for those who don't 63 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 9: remember too in eighteen. 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 5: December, it was a very difficult month. 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: At Osaia's Phil Blancato, the SMP five hundred is down 66 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: three and a half percent in November well. 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: Despite the recent pullback, Morgan Stanley remains bullish on stocks. 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: Strategist Mike Wilson says near term weakness offers an opportunity 69 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: to add long term exposure. In twenty twenty six, he 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: says the end of the correction is nearer than its beginning. 71 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: Wilson notes that despite a five percent drop in the 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: s and P five hundred, two thirds of the largest 73 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: one thousand stocks by market cap have seen more than 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: ten percent draw down a LISA. 75 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: This training week ahead brings us some key earnings. To 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: get a preview of that from Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 77 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 7: We'll be hearing from several more retailers, including Best Buy, 78 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 7: Dick's Sporting Goods, and Cohle's. Those reports come amid broader 79 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 7: market concerns about stretched valuations. Cameron Dawson is chief investment 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 7: officer at New Edge Wealth. 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 10: At the end of the day, we have an environment 82 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 10: where earning vestments for twenty twenty five and twenty twenty 83 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 10: six continue to climb higher. As long as we're making 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 10: new highs in those earning vestiments, it does support stocks 85 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 10: to broadly move higher, and not without some chop and 86 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 10: volatility as we're experiencing now. 87 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 7: Also reporting this week Workday, Dell HP and con Z 88 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 7: Scaler in New York, Charlie Pello, Bloomberg Radio. 89 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Charlie. Shares of Ali Baba rose 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: five percent in Hong Kong. It's revamped AI tool QN 91 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: drew more than ten million downloads in the week after 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: its relaunch. Analyst say that bodes well for a longer 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: term effort to build a rival to open AI's check gbt. 94 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 5: In your pleas. Shares of BHP Grouper little change. This morning. 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 3: The mining giant has ended its attempt to acquire fellow 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: minor Anglo American for a second time. Bloomberg Mining and 97 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: Metals reporter Paul allen Hunt says the deal would have 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: been complicated. 99 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: Well, this is it. 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 11: It was never going to be easy. It certainly wasn't 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 11: going to be easy last year, and it wasn't going 102 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 11: to be easy this time. We don't have a lot 103 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 11: of days. Hello will say that at this point, but 104 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 11: we do know that it was script or shares and cash. 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 11: The premium that BEHP would have had to have offered 106 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 11: to get a real serious recognition from Anglo and have 107 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 11: a proper discussion would have been significantly higher. 108 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Paul aland Hunt reports Anglo American rejected BHP's latest 109 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: approach after deciding it was not superior to its planned 110 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: tie up with smaller Canadian firm Tech Resources. 111 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: All right, now to the latest on cryptocurrencies as we 112 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: begin the new trading riek. Right now, checking in with bitcoin, 113 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: it's down about two percent of just above eighty six thousand. 114 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 12: Now. 115 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: In President Trump's second term, crypto assets, they've transformed his 116 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: family's wealth. However, the family, well, they're getting a crash 117 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: course and the wild volatility associated with digital currencies. Bloomberg's 118 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: twa Adebayo reports. 119 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 12: Shares of the president's bitcoin hoarding social media company are 120 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 12: near an all time low, and the value of a 121 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 12: Trump branded mean coin has fallen by about a quarter 122 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 12: since August, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. The recent 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 12: losses are all part of a broader crypto crash that's 124 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 12: wiped nearly one billion from the first family's fortune since 125 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 12: early September. The Trumps own a growing portfolio of crypto ventures, 126 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 12: including intricate deals that go beyond straight bets on the 127 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 12: value of digital currencies, but its retail investors who backed 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 12: Trump linked projects that stand to lose the most from 129 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 12: the drawdown. For example, any speculator who bought Trump's mean 130 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 12: Cooin in its peak on inauguration weekend would have lost 131 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 12: almost the entire value of their investment by this month. 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 12: Despite the challenges, Eric Trump, the president's second born son, 133 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 12: has repeatedly urged investors to double down. 134 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 5: In London. 135 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 12: Tiwa at Abayo Bloomberg Radio. 136 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: Time Now for a look at some of the other 137 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: stories making news in New York and around the world, 138 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: but that were joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 139 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 13: Good Morning, Michael, Good Morning, Lisa, New York. Mayori, like 140 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 13: Zoron Mamdani, is talking about a surprisingly friendly meeting Friday 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 13: with Donald Trump at the White House. Yesterday, Ma'm Donnie's 142 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 13: said he's feeling good coming out of that meeting, calling 143 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 13: it productive. On NBC's Meet the Press. Me'm donnie went 144 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 13: on to say In that meeting, it went back to 145 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 13: cost of living. 146 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 14: I've said plainly and openly that I believe that these 147 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 14: are two tax proposals that make sense, increasing the personal 148 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 14: income taxes on New Yorkers making a million dollars or 149 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 14: more by just two percent, increasing the top corporate tax 150 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 14: rate to that match that of New Jersey. And what 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 14: I've also said is more important than how we fund something, 152 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 14: is that we fund something. And if there are additional 153 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 14: or alternate revenue streams to do so, I will accept 154 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 14: them and I will celebrate them, because the most important 155 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 14: thing is to actually deliver for the New Yorkers who 156 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 14: right now can't even conceive of having a family in 157 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 14: New York City. 158 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 13: Ma'm Donnie also told Meet the Press or at Sundays 159 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 13: on Bloomberg although he still believes President Trump is a fascist, 160 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 13: he viewed their first face to face meeting as an 161 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 13: opportunity to work together on making New York more affordable. 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 13: Israel said it killed Bella's military Chief of General staff 163 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 13: in a rare air strike on Bey Route as an 164 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 13: almost year old ceasefire deal with the Lebanese government waivers 165 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 13: the Israeli army, says Abou Ali al Taptabb served as 166 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 13: a significant source of knowledge and influence within Hezbolah. Lebanon's 167 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 13: health ministry says the daylight attack left five people dead 168 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 13: and twenty eight injured. Volume at airports is expected to 169 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 13: pick up as Thanksgiving approaches. Triple A says more than 170 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 13: thirty one million people will fly between now and December one. 171 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 13: The holiday travel rush comes on the heels of the 172 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 13: longest government shutdown in US history. Speaking to ABC, Rico Walker, 173 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 13: who's been a TSA officer for twenty years, said he 174 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 13: and his colleagues are ready to go. 175 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 5: Moral has upbeat again. 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Time now for our Bloomberg sports update, and 184 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: for that we bring in John stash Hour. 185 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 8: The best record of the NFL belongs to the New 186 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 8: England Patriots at ten and two a nine game winning straight. 187 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 8: The Pats won twenty six to twenty at Cincinnati. The 188 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 8: best of the NFC belonging to the La Rams, who 189 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 8: last night blew out Tampa Bay thirty four to seven 190 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 8: by Matthew Stafford. The Rams are nine and two. The 191 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 8: Eagles were looking like they'd be nine and two. They 192 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 8: had a twenty one to nothing lead in Dallas. The 193 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 8: Cowboys came back to win twenty four twenty one. 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This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 200 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 201 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: Secretary of State Marco Rubio is reporting a lot of 202 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: progress and efforts to end the war in Ukraine after 203 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 3: a weekend of talks in Geneva, but with the US 204 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: pressure Ukraine to accept a peace deal this week, Rubio 205 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: says the process isn't over yet. 206 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: It is probably the most productive day we have had 207 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 4: on this issue, maybe in the entirety of our engagement, 208 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: but certainly in a very long time. But work remains. 209 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: That was Secretary of State Marco Rubio following those talks 210 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: in Switzerland and joining us this morning from Brussels is 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Oliver Crook. Oliver, good morning. Catch us up on 212 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: what progress was made over the weekend. President Trump was 213 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: talking about Ukraine accepting a deal by Thanksgiving. Is that 214 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: still on the table? 215 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the Thanksgiving deadline is a bit shifting 216 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,359 Speaker 6: at this point. I think that there is an acknowledgment 217 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 6: that actually this is an extremely complicated process that is 218 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 6: dealing with a great many different facets, including security guarante 219 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 6: that could be sort of NATO like and style Article five, 220 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 6: and that obviously is one of the most delicate issues 221 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: you can touch anywhere in the world, about whether or 222 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 6: not you're going to engage militarily with somebody in case 223 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 6: the rules of a certain agreement are violated. So those 224 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 6: are still things that a very much need to be 225 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 6: worked out. It is obviously the ambition of the Trump 226 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: administration to bring extreme pressure to bear on the Ukrainians 227 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 6: to basically get them talking more openly about things that 228 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 6: they were basically drawing red lines are on. And I 229 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 6: think that he's probably been successful to a degree because 230 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 6: of that plan, and that plan that came out last 231 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 6: week twenty eight point plan, I have to tell you, 232 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: made for extremely poor reading here in Brussels and in Kiev, 233 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 6: every sort of minister you talk to. Obviously, it's sidelined 234 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 6: the Europeans completely, while at the same time imposing on 235 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 6: Europe not just Ukraine, talking about defense architecture outside of Ukraine, 236 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 6: beyond saying that, for example, one of the articles was 237 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 6: that NATO will not accept any additional members That does 238 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 6: not mean just Ukraine, that means anybody else. So obviously 239 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 6: those were things that the Europeans are acted very poorly to. 240 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 6: And we should say that the Europeans, I think, are 241 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 6: learning in twenty twenty five that if you want to 242 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 6: see at the table with the Trump administration, you need 243 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 6: to earn it, and there are ways in which they 244 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 6: have failed to do so for this whole year. 245 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: So then how are the Europeans trying to get that 246 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: seat back at the table. 247 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 5: What efforts are they making? 248 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: So that was the conversation I just had with the 249 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 6: Lithuanian Foreign Minister just a couple of minutes ago, who 250 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,239 Speaker 6: acknowledged this fact. And the one thing that the Europeans 251 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 6: can do and they have failed to do to this point, 252 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 6: is basically get into those Russian assets. There are one 253 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 6: hundred and forty billion euros worth of Russian assets that 254 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 6: are sitting here in Belgium, sitting in euroclear The twenty 255 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 6: seven leaders of the European Union member states have not 256 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 6: been able to get under agreement on how to basically 257 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 6: unlock the proceeds from those assets and those assets themselves 258 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 6: alone against them, and that has been what they've been 259 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 6: bickering about four weeks. And basically those Russian assets were 260 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 6: discussed in that twenty eight point plan. The United States 261 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 6: had different ideas about what to do with that money. 262 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 6: So the question is are those assets now off the 263 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 6: table or is this the moment that europe needs to 264 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 6: take in to bring that leverage to bear. I mean, 265 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 6: imagine the difference in terms of the Ukraine's negotiating position 266 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 6: having zero dollars in the bank and having one hundred 267 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 6: and forty billion euros available to basically fund their military 268 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 6: for the next two years, it is a completely different calculus. 269 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: So then is this part of that revised and updated 270 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: piece framework that Secretary Rubio and the Ukrainian Chief of 271 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: Staff say that they worked out following those weekend talks. 272 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 6: So I think the thing that's really difficult, Nathan, about 273 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 6: these peace negotiations when you're trying to understand where they 274 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 6: actually are until you actually see the document, as we 275 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 6: did last year, the twenty eight point plan. The problem 276 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 6: for the Europeans and the Ukrainians is that no one 277 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 6: can be very honest or transparent about how they actually 278 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 6: feel about this document until you actually see the points, right, 279 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 6: Because if you've learned anything about the Trump administration, the 280 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 6: golden rule is do not criticize them. Do not say 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 6: you don't like the plan, don't say it's a non starter. 282 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 6: You say, yes, we think this is a great framework, 283 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: and this is how we would like to change it. 284 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 6: So I think at this stage, until we actually see 285 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 6: a revised draft of this proposal, it's going to be 286 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 6: hard to say how close those positions are to being bridge. 287 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 6: To say nothing of the fact that the Russians still 288 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 6: have not had their input into the sort of latest 289 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 6: part of the discussions. 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