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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy's Kanye double cross as Kim Kardashian is dragged into

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs's vortex. This as comes claims the Cassie Ventura

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Speaker 2: beat down video was doctored and a bombshell in a

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Speaker 2: Jay Z sex attack case, one lawyer quits and another

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer seemingly forced out with his tail between

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Speaker 2: his legs. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Despite a mounting pile of evidence and seemingly endless scream

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Speaker 3: of lawsuits. P Diddy, please not guilty in federal sex

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Speaker 3: trafficking case.

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Speaker 2: Did Kanye double cross? Ditty with friends like that? Who

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Speaker 2: needs enemies?

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Speaker 1: Listen?

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Speaker 3: West shove support last month turned into an anti Semitic tirade,

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Speaker 3: but once again, Comb's is caught leaning on West for support.

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Speaker 3: In a jail call, Combs reportedly wasn't where Wes was recording.

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Speaker 3: Combs's sudden display of friendship with the controversial rapper seems

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Speaker 3: to highlight how isolated Combs has become as the allegations

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Speaker 3: against him pile up. Several other celebrity pals have made

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Speaker 3: it clear they want nothing to do with Combs, especially

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Speaker 3: jay Z, who fought bitterly to have his name cleared

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Speaker 3: from a lawsuit alleging the rape of a thirteen year

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Speaker 3: old girl.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel, but first two crime stories,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Sidney Summer, let me understand what happened, so

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Speaker 2: Kanye Ugh, after his anti Semitic tyret, I can hally

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Speaker 2: even speak his name.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Kanye called Combs behind bars, and Combs thinks he's getting

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Speaker 2: all this support and they're having this conversation and then

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Speaker 2: let me.

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Speaker 1: Understand what happens, Sidney.

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Speaker 2: Then Kanye turns around, he secretly records the phone call

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Speaker 2: and uses it in a t.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, Nancy, That's exactly what happened. And it's not

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Speaker 4: clear as Comb's is specifically upset about the samples being

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Speaker 4: used in a song. Their conversation seems to involve music,

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Speaker 4: and Comb's wanting Kanye to get back to publishing music

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Speaker 4: and that being his focus. But Colmbs now feels slightly betrayed.

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Speaker 4: He's been pulled into this drama with Kanye West's ex

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Speaker 4: wife Kim Karashian, and that's the christ.

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Speaker 2: Hold on Sydney you had me at Comb's feels betrayed

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Speaker 2: because he's in a conversation Willingly with Kanye, and Kanye

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Speaker 2: secretly or not secretly records him and uses it to

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Speaker 2: make money on a track. Okay, listen.

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Speaker 5: Kanye's latest song, Lonely Roads Still Go to Sunshine features

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Speaker 5: a jailhouse phone call a verse from Combs, sun Christian

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Speaker 5: Kingcomb's and West daughter north West faces backlash your ex

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Speaker 5: wife Kim Kardashian over north sinking allusion. Combs now feels

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Speaker 5: like he's collateral damage. Combs thought the call came from

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Speaker 5: a place of genuine concern for him and his family

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Speaker 5: and is now embarrassed to be pulled into the crossfire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a whole lot brewing with Kim k Kim Kardashian,

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Speaker 2: and the last thing did he needs is Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 2: and her mother. Chris Jenner three inches up his tail

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Speaker 2: pipe joining me right now. Rob Shooter, Rob Shooter, host

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Speaker 2: of Naughty but Nice podcast, former publicist for Sean Comb's,

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Speaker 2: author of The Forward Answer, Rob Shooter.

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear. I want you to hear.

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Speaker 2: What's on this track and what's on this secretly recorded

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Speaker 2: phone call.

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Speaker 1: Listen see.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what shooter, hold your horses, because I

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Speaker 2: definitely need a shrink right now.

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Speaker 1: More than I need.

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Speaker 2: Holmes is Diddies publicist hold it joining me. High profile

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Speaker 2: soschoanalyst joining us from LA author of deal Breaker. You

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Speaker 2: can see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall. Guys,

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Speaker 2: that was exclusively from the Shade Room, Bethany. We just

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Speaker 2: played Seawan Comb's speaking apparently illicitly recorded to Kanye, and

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Speaker 2: he's saying, this is effing sad. I'm puff Daddy in jail.

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Speaker 2: This is effing sad as a mother effort. The devil

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Speaker 2: is a liar. Okay, what puff Daddy in jail? What

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Speaker 2: is he that shocked? If the allegations are true, he

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Speaker 2: has been raping women for years and years and years

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Speaker 2: and years and getting away with it because they were

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Speaker 2: afraid to come forward. And now it's sad that he's

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Speaker 2: in jail. Help me out here, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: He's shocked because he's gotten away with it for so

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Speaker 6: long because he thinks that what he's doing is perfectly reasonable.

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Speaker 6: He thinks it reasonable to sex traffic miners and sex

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Speaker 6: workers and women he thinks it's reasonable to bring men

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Speaker 6: in to have sex with women so he can watch.

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Speaker 1: He thinks it reasonable to have a.

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Speaker 6: Huge room liigned with mirrors so he can view sex

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Speaker 6: from every angle. And all these comments are so self referential.

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Speaker 6: They're all about him. There's nothing about the victims. There's

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Speaker 6: nothing really about his children. And I would say he's

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Speaker 6: doing what criminals do. Is something called shared paranoia, where

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Speaker 6: he tries to align with Kanye against the world, against

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Speaker 6: the legal experts, against the law, thinking that both of

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Speaker 6: them are just buddies in this together and everybody is

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Speaker 6: out to get them.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to hear that one more time. Is effing said

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Speaker 2: I'm puff daddy in jail? What okay, let's hear that again.

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Speaker 1: That say, hmm okay.

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Speaker 2: Well it doesn't end there. And we're getting that from

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Speaker 2: the shade room. You can find it online and there's more.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen, we're going bring.

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Speaker 7: It on family in and become a king and we're

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Speaker 7: supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, the kings were supposed to be. All right,

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Speaker 1: this is Combs.

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Speaker 2: Did he speaking from his jail cell talking about the

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Speaker 2: king he is supposed to be?

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: That is exclusively from the Shade Room. Thank you the

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Speaker 2: Shaved Room. I'm gonna beat this and get next to you.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna raise our families and become the Kings that

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Speaker 2: we're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, out to Rob Shooter joining me.

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Speaker 2: Former publicist for Shawn Combs, Shooter, can you.

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Speaker 1: Shed any light on this?

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Speaker 2: The Kings were supposed to be currently live like a

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Speaker 2: king ever since you told me? He called for cheesecake

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Speaker 2: at three a m. And somebody trotted out to get

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Shooter.

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Speaker 8: I'm not at all surprised. This is who Puffy is.

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Speaker 8: He believes that the rules.

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Speaker 1: Do not pusy now is it Puffy?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 8: It's many different names.

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Speaker 10: I always called him puff Puff, but lots of different

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Speaker 10: names then, Nancy, I'm including some, but you go right ahead.

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Speaker 10: Well you're right, and I've got a few names that

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Speaker 10: I shouldn't say on TV too about him.

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Speaker 8: But path did he whatever you want to call him,

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Speaker 8: This is who he is. He really believes he's very

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Speaker 8: specially doesn't surprise me at all that he's completely per

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Speaker 8: plagues that he is in jail. He thinks he's above

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Speaker 8: the law. He's not, and now he can't get his

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Speaker 8: head around it. It is a shocking woodio that you've

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Speaker 8: got your hands on via the Shade Room. But that

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Speaker 8: is him, that is who he thinks he is. This

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Speaker 8: is from the horses mads. He cannot believe this has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and another thing, Rob Shooter, which I'll circle back

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Speaker 2: to when we get into the whole North drama of

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Speaker 2: Kim Kay's daughter being included on some tracks and even recording.

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Speaker 1: When the Tate Brothers, you know, those two.

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Speaker 2: Guys charged with all those misogynist attacks, We're gonna be

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Speaker 2: hanging around no way in HG double L Would I

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Speaker 2: have my children around the Tate Brothers?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Kim k I had to go

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Speaker 1: for an emergency mediation.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Combs, straight out to Lynn Shaw. Lynn is the

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Speaker 2: founder and executive director Lynn's Warriors, which is dedicated to

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Speaker 2: ending human trafficking and sex attacks on girls and women.

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Speaker 1: She's the host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Lynn I think part of the reason that Sean Combs

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Speaker 2: is saying all this about how effing sadness is that

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Speaker 2: Puffy's in jail is because, as you know, oh, during

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Speaker 2: all of the free coughs and more. Women, as doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethny Marshall was describing, were nothing.

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Speaker 1: They were nothing to him. They were drugged. They had

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Speaker 2: Many of them they were looped up with their whole

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Speaker 2: bodies covered in baby oil and in their semiconscious state,

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Speaker 2: they're reposed in very let me say, revealing positions and video.

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Speaker 1: Just just hold that thought for a moment.

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Speaker 2: You go to a party and you think, oh my stars,

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Speaker 2: I meet this one? What if I meet that one?

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Speaker 2: And you wake up with your anus, your rear end,

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Speaker 2: and your vagina hurting. Your body has been covered in

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Speaker 2: you realize that you have been posed in different extra

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Speaker 2: rated positions so Sean Combs could get a better angle

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Speaker 2: with a group of guys standing around with professional lights

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Speaker 2: and video cameras as you were raped. Okay, these women

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Speaker 2: were like a paper cup to him.

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Speaker 1: They meant nothing.

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Speaker 2: But because of them coming forward, he is behind bars

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Speaker 2: and he can't stand it, and I need.

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Speaker 11: A shower after hearing all of that, the saddest thing victims,

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Speaker 11: alleged victims, all victims of sexual exploitation and trafficking. They

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Speaker 11: are keeping their eye on this story. Just the other day,

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Speaker 11: I ran into somebody who used to used to work

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Speaker 11: in the wrap world, a woman now, who said, I

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Speaker 11: really wish they could get to the bottom of this

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Speaker 11: if they only knew what really went on. We are

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Speaker 11: missing the point here and all of this discussion, the

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Speaker 11: focus has shifted. This is the Dirty Diddy playbook. Put

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Speaker 11: it all on him. We can all forget about the victims,

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Speaker 11: survivors of these attacks. And this is exactly why victims

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Speaker 11: never want to come forward, because they never are either believed,

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Speaker 11: And I don't blame them. I don't blame them. So

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Speaker 11: let's see where this goes. But you know what the

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Speaker 11: feeling on the streets here in New York City is,

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Speaker 11: this will not go anywhere. He's got power and money

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Speaker 11: and he will not be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now, cases are already being dismissed.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that's the beginning of a dominant effect.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Dodger and Dwayne Hendrick joining US former

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Speaker 2: associate Warden at NBC in Brooklyn, former senior Warden with

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Speaker 2: the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons and

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Speaker 2: founder president of a New Daylight Foundation, and he's the

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Speaker 2: author of who Are You Say It?

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Speaker 1: See It? Say It, and Seize It? Doctor Hendrix, could

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Speaker 1: you explain something to me?

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Speaker 2: How is it that Sean comes is having these long

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Speaker 2: conversations with Kanye of all people that just did all

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Speaker 2: those anti semitic rants and is selling t shirts with

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Speaker 2: swastikas on them.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that he can.

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Speaker 2: Have this long conversation with him and then Kanye tape it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this from a public phone? How does

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Speaker 2: that work? Or does he have a surreptitious cell phone?

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Speaker 12: No, the phone calls, each phone call is fifteen minutes

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Speaker 12: at length at a time, so any call would only

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Speaker 12: be that length. In terms of the recording, all phone

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Speaker 12: calls are recorded by the US government and the inmates

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Speaker 12: and the persons that take those calls from inmates from

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Speaker 2: So what you're talking about, because I was listening, doctor Hendrickson,

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Speaker 1: It could be.

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Speaker 12: Now here's the question.

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Speaker 1: You're running.

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Speaker 12: So the question is New York is a one party

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Speaker 12: if the call did come from a federal prison, there

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Speaker 2: Killing me, that one party consent, which doesn't matter because it's.

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Speaker 1: From a jail. I'm asking you it was just a

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Speaker 2: Letting comes have behind bars. I never heard the jail.

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Speaker 12: Now we need to go to the shame room and

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Speaker 8: What he was.

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Speaker 2: Doctor hendricks don't be dragging the shade room into it.

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Speaker 2: They just got a hold of the tape after Kanye

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Speaker 2: It's not on a jail phone. It has to be

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Speaker 7: No, he's not calling from a cell phone.

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Speaker 12: He'd be the last person.

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Speaker 1: Where is the recording. I've never had one.

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Speaker 2: Jail call, and I've taught to inmates for hours and

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear that.

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Speaker 7: I guarantee you as not.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to more of the call between Kanye and Sean.

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Speaker 1: Comes straight out to you.

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Speaker 2: exclusive sound from the Shade Room. Question to you, I

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Speaker 2: behold surprise. Now Seawn Comes is featured on Kanye's truck.

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Speaker 2: This jail call is on the truck, and you know

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Speaker 2: they're going to make money off of it.

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Speaker 7: Rit or maybe well somebody's going to be making money

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Speaker 7: it sounds like Kanye is certainly taking advantage of this

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Speaker 7: And you know, good luck to Shawan Combs on that.

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Speaker 7: It seems like it's just being used to exploit him.

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Speaker 7: But can I get back to the point about whether

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Speaker 7: I hear what's being said that they're searching him, they're

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Speaker 7: keeping an eye on him. I don't think the guards

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Speaker 7: contraband cell phones are currency inside of these lock up facilities.

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Speaker 7: So the idea that a person with his types of

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Speaker 3: His former chief of staff breaks silence of this a

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Speaker 2: And while he's waiting behind bars, counting down to the

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Speaker 1: With none other than conne Yea.

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Speaker 2: Who reportedly secretly records the call to use to his

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Speaker 4: Nobody and wing Mom, and.

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Speaker 2: He actually used the jail recording the conversation in his

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Speaker 1: I'm a little.

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Speaker 2: Confused, sending summer let me understand something, sending summer joining

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Speaker 2: US Crime Stories investigative reporter that is comes behind bars

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Speaker 2: claiming that no one's taking care of his children while

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something. To high profile defense attorney

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Speaker 2: Joshua Ritter, Uh, isn't that what happens when you go

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Speaker 2: to jail on a federal indictment, a multi count indictment

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Speaker 2: of sex trafficking, raping, and abusing drugging women.

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Speaker 1: Your children don't go to jail with you, right?

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Speaker 2: He said, that's a thing you should think about before

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Speaker 2: you rape somebody.

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Speaker 7: I mean, yes, I don't know how else.

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Speaker 1: Stand you're laughing about you think the victims thing? This

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Speaker 1: is funny? And bodies with my children? Yeah, think about

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Speaker 2: You drug somebody and slaughter them up with baby oil.

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Speaker 1: What about that?

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Speaker 2: Ritter?

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Speaker 7: I think, listen, you're you're absolutely right. But I mean,

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Speaker 7: Kanye is even taking that phone call and exploiting it

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Speaker 7: and trying to profit off of it. So I mean, listen,

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Speaker 7: the man's behind bars, probably taking taking whatever phone calls

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Speaker 7: you can actually make, and trying to do the best

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Speaker 7: want much more I can say.

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Speaker 1: I think I just threw up a little bit in

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying feel sorry for Sean Tom Okay, you

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Speaker 2: know Linnshaw. Isn't that something that an alleged rapist should

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many women can you attack and video.

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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, State's Exhibit number one and think you're

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Speaker 2: there to take care of his children. Think about that

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 11: You know, money talks and crime walks. The first thing

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Speaker 11: when this case broke, I thought of his teenage twin daughters.

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Speaker 11: That's what I thought of. I thought of, Oh, he's

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Speaker 11: I didn't know better, I would think that Easy Yuck

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Speaker 11: in the news. There is no sympathy for this alleged rapist, sploiter.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want to call it. And I remind everybody.

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Speaker 2: I rid er che on that for a minute, Doctor

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Speaker 2: because I find this highly manipulative. Okay, it's so, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you have the right psycho lingo to describe it.

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Speaker 1: But he's behind bars.

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Speaker 2: According to the state, he's innocent until proven guilty for

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, nobody's taking care of my children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, think about that man before you rape somebody.

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Speaker 1: How do you think these victims feel when.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, don't these children have mothers?

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Speaker 6: I mean, PJD is not the only one in their lives.

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Speaker 6: Him whining and think about him sort of worrying about

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Speaker 6: all this time and money he spent on these parties, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I would be curious.

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Speaker 6: Was he setting up college funds?

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Speaker 2: You know what college funds? Don't get me started on

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Speaker 2: college funds. But you're absolutely right following up all what

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Speaker 1: He is the host of Naughty but.

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Speaker 2: Nice podcast, author and former publicist too Seawan comes Okay.

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Speaker 2: Number one rule and cross examination. Don't ask the question

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to go out on a limb.

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Speaker 2: How much interaction did Combs have with his children when

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Speaker 8: Limited? It was limited interaction. Now, their mother was still

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Speaker 13: She's no longer with us, and so they spent most

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Speaker 8: Did he like showing off what a great daddy was

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Speaker 3: Anye West drops a shocking distract feat repeated these words

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Speaker 1: So apparently.

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Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian's children are featured on Kanye's track Let's Listen

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Speaker 1: And then he said a light a lie every day?

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Speaker 2: Nor right that from Easy straight out to Sydney Sumner

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 4: So Nancy, Kanye West brought North into the studio with him,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Sidney. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Northwest's short verse on Lonely Roads Still Go to Sunshine

443
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: is not the tweens first dabble in hip hop, also

444
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: collaborating with FKA Twigs on Childlike Things, But after Kim

445
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Speaker 3: Kardashian's criticism Kanye West's decision to put their daughter on

446
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Speaker 3: a track with Diddy, West has nothing but disapproval for

447
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: Kardashian's choices about letting North collaborate with other artists. West

448
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: explodes at Playboy Cardi on X after Cardi asked Kardashian

449
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Speaker 3: to have North send him a song. West then calls

450
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Speaker 3: his ex wife a sex trafficker, implying North's collaboration with

451
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Speaker 3: Twigs was not age appropriate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand clarify this for me, Sidney Center.

453
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Speaker 1: So Kanye uses.

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Speaker 2: North, Okay uses North in a track, and it's my

455
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Speaker 2: understanding that the Tate brothers were visiting or about to visit.

456
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: You know, the Tate brothers that were basically kicked out

457
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Speaker 2: of the country and are accused of all sorts of

458
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Speaker 2: misogynistic attacks on women. Those Tape Brothers were going to

459
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Speaker 2: be around while North laid tracks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, So that's happened about two days later, after

461
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 4: all of the song drama. So Ken is still trying

462
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: to do her best to give Kanye access to his

463
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: children despite everything he's done, despite pulling the stunt with

464
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Speaker 4: releasing Northwest on this song with Diddy, She's still allowing

465
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: North to visit with her dad, and Kanye West invites

466
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: the Tate brothers to their house. So his security guard

467
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: let Kim Kardashian know what was going on, and she

468
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: immediately came and picked North up so that she was

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Speaker 4: not exposed to those two men.

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Speaker 2: You know, Sidney, a lot of people may not know

471
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Speaker 2: who the Tate brothers are. They have been in Romania

472
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Speaker 2: behind bars. Explain who the Tate brothers are. Now, just

473
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Speaker 2: imagine the Tate brothers, Andrew and trist In Tate somehow

474
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Speaker 2: make their way back into the US, which I strongly oppose.

475
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Speaker 1: They get back into the.

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Speaker 2: US and somehow hook up with Kanye and Sean comes

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Speaker 2: behind bars. He's aware that Kanye is using north for tracks.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, Nancy, we can't be too.

479
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: Sure what Colmes knew about Kanye's plans to put Northwest

480
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Speaker 4: on the track. But what we do know about the

481
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Speaker 4: Tate brothers is they started out as influencers for men,

482
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: so they would post videos and discuss finding your masculinity

483
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: and what it is to be a man and how

484
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Speaker 4: you should live your life.

485
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: And somehow Seawan Comes behind bars has been dragged into

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Speaker 2: this saga. Now, let me understand, after all of this,

487
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Speaker 2: Kim Kay files for an emergency mediation and Kanye's a

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Speaker 2: no show.

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, he did not show up for that hearing.

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Speaker 1: Now, explain to.

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Speaker 2: Me what this has to do with Sean Combs, how

492
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 2: he's gotten roped into this because we're talking about North.

493
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Okay North is Kanye and Kim Kay's daughter. So what

494
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Speaker 2: does that have to do with Shawn Combs and how

495
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Speaker 2: is that affecting his trial?

496
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Speaker 4: Sydney Nancy, It really has nothing to do with Sean Combs.

497
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Speaker 4: Until that phone call dropped. Until this week of that

498
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: phone call was exposed to the public, everybody thought that

499
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Speaker 4: Sean Combs was not touching Kanye with a ten foot poll.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we saw how quickly his vote of confidence

501
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Speaker 4: in Combs turned into an anti semitic tirade just last month.

502
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Speaker 4: So after that, you would think that Combs would have

503
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Speaker 4: learned his lesson and stayed away. But it just highlights

504
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Speaker 4: how isolated Combs is.

505
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have any friends.

506
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Speaker 4: In Hollywood if he's asking to turn to Kanye for friendship.

507
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 5: Legendary rapper Jay Z denies the allegation he raped a

508
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Speaker 5: thirteen year old girl at a VMA after party. Jane

509
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 5: Doe amended her a lawsuit filed in October that only

510
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: named Sean Combs while redacting the names of two other

511
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: celebrities at the party that night. The suit states quote

512
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: defended Seawan Combs, along with his longtime friend and collaborator

513
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 5: Sean Carter aka jay Z, drugged and raped a thirteen

514
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Speaker 5: year old girl at an after party following the two

515
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Speaker 5: thousand Video Music Awards. Another celebrity stood by and watch

516
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Speaker 5: as Combs and Carter took turns assaulting the miner.

517
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Speaker 2: That case has been dismissed. That case against jay Z

518
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: has been dismissed. And not only that, the lawyer that

519
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: basically started a one to eight hundred for Shawn Comes

520
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: has turned tail Listen.

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Speaker 5: Houston lawyer Tony Busby has been forced to step down

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Speaker 5: from several of his lawsuits against Sean Diddy Combs after

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Speaker 5: his case involving jay Z was dismissed. Sean Carter has

524
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Speaker 5: not wavered in his quest for retribution since the case

525
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Speaker 5: was withdrawn. Finally, complaints that Busby is not authorized or

526
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Speaker 5: practice in the Southern District of New York where many

527
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Speaker 5: of his clients have filed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a moment, So Tony Busby is

529
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Speaker 2: backing out of these several cases.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, not by his own choice, so jay Z.

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Speaker 4: After this case was dismissed, jay Z still has a

532
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: defamation suit against Tony Busby, an extortion suit against Tony Busby,

533
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Speaker 4: but he went so far as to file formal complaints

534
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Speaker 4: claiming that Buzzby is not allowed to serve as a

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Speaker 4: lawyer in the Southern District of New York, which unfortunately

536
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: is true. Buzzy is not certified to serve in that district.

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Speaker 4: He is allowed to serve in the Eastern District of

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Speaker 4: New York, but he has not stopped applied for jurisdiction.

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00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: Stop stop, Joshua Ritter.

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Speaker 2: This is all technical legal term bs because hasn't anybody

541
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Speaker 2: heard pro hot and vice.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be certified there.

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00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: He can have a lawyer who is there, bring him

544
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Speaker 2: on as co counsel, and get approval on an ag

545
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Speaker 2: ad hot basis.

546
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Speaker 1: It happens all the time. So that's not why he's

547
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: backing out of these cases.

548
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 7: No, you're right, it does happen all the time. It's

549
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 7: also not that hard to get yourself admitted into the

550
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 7: Southern District of New York, so you can go ahead

551
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 7: and file these cases yourself. And as you just pointed out,

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00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 7: this is kind of elementary stuff. This is entry level

553
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Speaker 7: lawyering here, So I you know, the idea that he

554
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 7: somehow missed this either speaks to he's in above his

555
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 7: head on these cases. I mean, he filed a lot

556
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Speaker 7: of cases, and to me, this is just not the

557
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 7: first step towards handling them professionally, or he just what

558
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 7: is unaware that he needed to have himself admitted or

559
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Speaker 7: like you point out, a pro hoc VJ council appointed

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Speaker 7: for him in those local districts. So I don't get it,

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00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 7: and it's it's it's going to be problematic because now

562
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Speaker 7: you've got all of these clients who are feeling they

563
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: were represented by one person and he's basically pulling the

564
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Speaker 7: ripcord and saying I'm out. You're going to have to

565
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Speaker 7: find some of their lawyer to help yourself out here

566
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Speaker 7: in New.

567
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Speaker 2: York Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So now Tony Busby,

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Speaker 2: who made quite the splash at the get go, is

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Speaker 2: backing out of the case with his tail between his

570
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: legs because he says he's not qualified.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's qualified.

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Speaker 2: He's not admitted to pridice in that jurisdiction, like I'm

573
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: not admitted to privtice in Alaska, Okay. But he can

574
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Speaker 2: be brought in on the case under pro hac vice,

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Speaker 2: which means on an ad hoc basis, you can be

576
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Speaker 2: brought in even if you're not certified in that jurisdiction.

577
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: So why is he really backing out? Don't know, but

578
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: this is where he started.

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Speaker 9: The biggest secret in the entertainment industry, it really wasn't

580
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 9: a secret at all, has finally been revealed to the world.

581
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 9: The wall of silence has now been broken and victims

582
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 9: are coming forward. Our team has had at this point

583
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 9: more than three thousand and two hundred and eighty five

584
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 9: individuals contact us with people claiming people claiming to have

585
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 9: been victimized by Sean Combs.

586
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Speaker 2: That's from the official at Tony Busby on Instagram. But

587
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: now he's backing out with tail between his legs on

588
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: multiple cases. But he's staying on on others. All this

589
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: while seemingly Shawn Combs' defense team is grasping at straws

590
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: claiming that the Cassie Ventura beat down video was doctorned.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that video real quick.

592
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Speaker 2: This is in a very exclusive resort hotel, Cassie Ventira

593
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Speaker 2: leaving what she said was a free cough.

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Speaker 1: And whoa, here he comes down the hall in a towle.

595
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Speaker 1: Just never gets so old, does it? And wham there

596
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Speaker 1: you go.

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00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: Now excuse me, as we were watching this Sidney Sumner

598
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Speaker 2: who comes claiming doctored the video.

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Speaker 4: Yancy, So this video was released exclusively by CNN, and

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Speaker 4: his team claims that the outlet altered the video, that

601
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Speaker 4: they set it up, that they made some jump cuts

602
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Speaker 4: so that the assault looks much worse than it really was.

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Speaker 4: Even if that is the case in the version that

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Speaker 4: the public has seen, CNN has now come back and said,

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Speaker 4: of course, we have the original footage with no changes

606
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Speaker 4: made to it, which is exactly what they turned over

607
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Speaker 4: to prosecutors when they asked for it.

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Speaker 2: Dundor Methody Marshall, psychoanalyst. He's claiming that CNN somehow docted

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Speaker 2: it to make it look worse than it really was.

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Speaker 1: Really, could it be worse than what we saw?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sandy has the original, that's what will come

612
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: in at trial.

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Speaker 1: This is all bs.

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Speaker 6: It's like he's saying, well, I only kicked her once.

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Speaker 6: I didn't kick her twice. Okay, I hit her in

616
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Speaker 6: the eye, but I didn't give her a black eye.

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Speaker 6: He's really minimizing the abuse and Nancy, this is what

618
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 6: abusers do. They minimize, they downplay, they.

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Speaker 1: Act like they really didn't do the abuse.

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Speaker 6: But this is clear, clear as the day.

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Speaker 1: All right, blame it on CNN. They made it Lert

622
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Speaker 1: look worse than it quote really was. I don't think

623
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Speaker 1: that happened.

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Speaker 2: And if it weren't true, why with Sean comes say this.

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Speaker 14: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

626
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Speaker 14: your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,

627
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Speaker 14: I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

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Speaker 1: My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

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Speaker 14: I take full responsibility from my ashes in that video.

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Speaker 2: So if it's not real, why is he apologizing for it?

631
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Speaker 2: I'm not hearing him screaming right there that was a doctor.

632
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Speaker 1: That's not real.

633
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Speaker 2: That is from Diddy's official instapage.

634
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Speaker 12: Maxwell and Epstein were with Jetner from Tasting Minor Dunter

635
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Speaker 12: to travel to Asking.

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Speaker 8: Your Residences his residence in New York City for.

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Speaker 9: The Aurey Side, as well as the Homey Flora.

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Speaker 1: And Sandy Bay and Nico. Some of the ass interviews.

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Speaker 9: Also took say Maxwell, you residents in love Inde.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing us attorney for the Southern District of

641
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Speaker 2: New York. That's Audrey Strauss speaking about Jelaine Maxwell. Why

642
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: Jelaine Maxwell was a hitch person for Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein

643
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Speaker 2: basically his pimp, going out and finding young girls for

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Speaker 2: him to abuse. She's sitting behind bars in a federal

645
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Speaker 2: penitentiary right now. But what does that have to do

646
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Speaker 2: with Sean Combs everything because of Christina Korum? Is Christina

647
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Speaker 2: Korum the next co defendant, undisclosed co conspirator or star.

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Speaker 1: Witness listen Sean Diddy.

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Speaker 3: Combs's chief of staff, Christina Korum, has been accused of

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Speaker 3: numerous atrocities, from forcing employees to carry drugs or recruit

651
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Speaker 3: women for freak offs, to standing witness to a gang

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Speaker 3: rape after trying to place an IUD in the victim. Quorum,

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Speaker 3: whom Combs has referred to as his sole sister and

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Speaker 3: right hand, worked for the mogul for more than a

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Speaker 3: decade after previous roles at Paramount Pictures in Burberry. The

656
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: two were previously close, with Comb's posting a long birthday

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Speaker 3: message for Quorum on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Showed out to Joshua Ritter joining us, a high profile

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Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney former prosecutor. You can find him on

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Speaker 2: Quorum Confidential on YouTube. Joshua Korum denies all.

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Speaker 1: But she's in it. She had to be a witness.

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Speaker 2: The state is deducing at least a witness to what

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Speaker 2: was going on.

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Speaker 1: That's his right hand person.

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Speaker 2: So what will she be an undisclosed unnamed co conspirator.

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Speaker 2: Will she end up being a co defendant on a

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Speaker 2: conspirat under a conspiracy theory eight or and a better theory?

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Speaker 1: Or will she be the state star witness?

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Speaker 7: Well, she's smart, She's going to be the state star witness.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know how this works, Nancy. The government

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Speaker 7: comes to you and they basically give you a choice.

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Speaker 7: Which way do you want to go on this? Do

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Speaker 7: you want to be the United States versus Sean Dittycomb's

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Speaker 7: and yourself? Or do you want to be on the

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Speaker 7: witness list? And do you want to be somebody who

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Speaker 7: testifies against him?

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Speaker 4: She don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's really a choice she has. I

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Speaker 7: think she has to say, let me help you, how

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Speaker 7: can I possibly help you? Please tell me where I

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Speaker 7: can sign as a cooperator to testify against this man.

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Speaker 7: And it sounds like if she was as close to

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Speaker 7: him as even he is saying there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: helpful information to the government that she possibly has daughter.

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Speaker 2: Dwayne Hendrix's jo US, former associate awarden at MDC in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: You and I were going around and round about weather

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Speaker 2: Combs has a cell phone, right if he does have

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Speaker 2: that illegal cell phone with him, you don't think he's

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Speaker 2: calling Korum on the phone trying to get her story straight,

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Speaker 2: trying to talk her out of testifying. You don't think

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Speaker 2: that's happening right now. And remember he was already busted

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Speaker 2: trying to intimidate victims and witnesses once before. And you're

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Speaker 2: still sticking with your story he doesn't have a cell phone.

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Speaker 12: I'm sticking with my story that he does not have

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Speaker 12: a cell phone, and I'm gonna tell you why, because

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Speaker 12: now that he's been outed with the Kanye conversation, if

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Speaker 12: that phone call was not recorded on the federal call system,

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Speaker 12: then they will absolutely know that he would have a

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Speaker 12: cell phone.

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Speaker 2: And you know what if, Dwayne Hendricks, I think you

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Speaker 2: may be right. I don't think he has a cell phone.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got two. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye,

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Speaker 2: friend

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Speaker 7: To give me s