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Speaker 3: It starts now.

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Speaker 1: You will not get into White Lotus right now, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think that many of you watch it, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to argue with Clay about whether it's

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Speaker 1: worth continue to watch White Lotus. After the most recent episode,

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Speaker 1: I was pretty horrified. I was gonna say, I'm I

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Speaker 1: looked at Carrie, I'm like, I don't think I can

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Speaker 1: do this anymore.

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Speaker 3: It is clear that I have a darker sensibility when

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Speaker 3: it comes to television, like I can put up with

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Speaker 3: more than you or producer Ali can. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to to down the rabbit hole crazy, I do not

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe my mind is more like a delicate

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Speaker 1: I don't like things that are too violent. I don't

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Speaker 3: Perhaps is that the right word. I got them to

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Speaker 3: chow on his crocket.

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Speaker 1: I got on the choke on his crocket coffee. Look

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Speaker 3: That was awesome. Almost speak my crocket coffee out everywhere. Body,

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Speaker 3: were you born in nineteen twenty four?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm just saying sometimes, you know, some of

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Speaker 4: there's too many busts, some glasses in the television shows

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Speaker 4: of late that you're watching. Yeah, a bunch of a

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Speaker 4: bunch of ladies out there being a little too little

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's a little too wife. I will

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Speaker 3: say this, my wife has had to deal with for

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Speaker 3: the past twenty years. Every time there's an HBO show,

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Speaker 3: My wife's had to deal with this for twenty years

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Speaker 3: of late. All of the nudity I see in my

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Speaker 3: they it's not not any are near is enjoyable? I

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Speaker 3: The lastly have you noticed this, like the last three

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Speaker 3: not as enjoyable for me. So let's talk snow White.

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Speaker 3: Snow White.

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Speaker 1: Was at one point the first, I believe, the first

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Speaker 1: let me know. It was wildly popular and the you know,

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Speaker 3: People love the parks.

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Speaker 1: Fine another parks have become very expensive now, but people

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Speaker 1: seen I think ninety what do you think ninety five

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Speaker 1: I mean, and if you didn't see it when you

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Speaker 1: were a kid, you have kids, you've seen it, right,

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Speaker 1: so one, and it's really an an iconic It's an

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Speaker 1: of these over the years, you know, Sleeping Beauty. I

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about as a cartoon?

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Speaker 1: Growing up, Peter Pan your favorite along with Robin. Great animation,

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Speaker 1: Disney. Walt Disney mortgaged his own home to be able

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Speaker 1: It made four billion dollars. Okay, let me repeat that,

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Speaker 3: So it is not only beloved buck, it is one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that puts it into context very well. And I

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Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast. Beauty the Beast is a great movie.

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Speaker 1: It's at any animated. It was actually nominated for Best Picture,

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Speaker 1: I know some people cartoons aren't their thing, but I

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Speaker 1: old cartoons, even with bugs bunnies, but put bugs Bunny

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Speaker 1: put that aside. Clay, this New Disney. If you and

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Speaker 1: I sat here scripting out a way to ruin Disney

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Speaker 5: They have.

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Speaker 1: They have changed. There's a whole listing of all these

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Speaker 1: But the fud What is your favorite thing about the

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Speaker 3: Big, big for his breeches.

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Speaker 1: Literally, yeah, he decided, he decided that it was weird

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Speaker 1: It's like they this is wokeness just eating itself.

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Speaker 3: They could have made a movie that was a ninety

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Speaker 3: But because they have decided that they need to be

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Speaker 3: I don't begrudge any story that is like Lost. Lost

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the airplane wasn't coming from Finland. Like, yes, there

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Speaker 3: So the idea that Snow White needs to be replaced

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Speaker 1: Why is it that in Hamilton the one bad guy

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Speaker 1: And this Charlie, Well, what's the messaging there? Everybody? You know,

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Speaker 3: And then what is the pride and prejudice? Or what's

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to watch on that I love historically.

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Speaker 1: James in Texas wants to weigh in about Disney. James welcome,

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Speaker 6: And the thing about it is is Disney would have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. The ball I'm not sure about that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Disney share this is Fox Business. A few days ago,

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Speaker 3: Well a lot of times with those proposals, the reality

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Speaker 1: We're getting into proxy voting now and everything.

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Speaker 3: So you and how old are you? Allen?

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Speaker 5: I'm thirty seven?

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Speaker 3: wife feel the same way as you? What was her take?

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Speaker 5: She did?

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Speaker 7: I fortunately married a very conservative woman. But it's it's

441
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Speaker 7: it is really sad. We almost have to go on

442
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Speaker 7: and collect intel from the movie prior to you know,

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Speaker 7: exposing it to our children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, thank you. I mean in nineteen thirty seven,

445
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Speaker 3: do you think anybody was out there like, hey, I

446
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Speaker 3: don't know if we can trust Disney to go watch

447
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: snow White. To your point, Buck, hey, Robin Hood, is

448
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: this going to be too salacious? Is this going to

449
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: be too political for me to take my kid Peter

450
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Speaker 3: Pan like Dumbo, whatever you want to point to you,

451
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: do you think that in the nineteen fifties and sixties,

452
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Speaker 3: and even when we were growing up in the eighties

453
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Speaker 3: and nineties with Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and

454
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Speaker 3: all those movies, that there were any you might have

455
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Speaker 3: been concerned, are they a little bit too scary for

456
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Speaker 3: young kids? Those kind of things, But nobody was like, hey,

457
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Speaker 3: I gotta worry about what the messaging is.

458
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Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's also something that's been lost

459
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Speaker 1: here in the creative industries, notably what we see in movies,

460
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Speaker 1: but also TV and and it's that a great story.

461
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Speaker 1: There's something universal in the humanity of a great story.

462
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Speaker 1: People just want great stories. They want they want good

463
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Speaker 1: guys and bad guys. They want, you know, heroes and princesses.

464
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Speaker 1: They want triumph, They want trials and tribulation. You know

465
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Speaker 1: that they want the the the you know, right hand

466
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Speaker 1: best friend of the hero to come through in the moment.

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Speaker 3: I mean these things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And whether you set the story in medieval Europe

469
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Speaker 1: or you set the story in you know, Southeast Asia

470
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Speaker 1: or Central Africa, if it's a great story, it's a

471
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Speaker 1: great story. And we don't you know that. That's that's

472
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Speaker 1: what I find so so annoying about this.

473
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Speaker 3: I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: See, they have something that should be viewed as what

475
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is snow White should be you

476
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Speaker 1: to view you to something that is a universal cultural phenomenon.

477
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Speaker 1: That's why what he can enjoy, that's whatever this is,

478
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: everyone can enjoy. Mozart is for everybody. That's the great thing.

479
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where Mozart was from. Ultimately the music

480
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Speaker 1: is for everybody and for all perpetuity the human race,

481
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Speaker 1: and we should all enjoy it. We should all. Don't

482
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Speaker 1: even get me started about how incredible Mozart is. Point is,

483
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Speaker 1: they do this thing now where it's like they're keeping score. Oh,

484
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Speaker 1: we've had too many you know, there's been too many

485
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Speaker 1: musicians or too many authors from this place or that country,

486
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Speaker 1: or of this skin color or that gender, and so

487
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Speaker 1: we have to do other things.

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Speaker 3: Now they don't.

489
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Speaker 1: Actually, that doesn't work, and they don't have to do

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Speaker 1: that because we can all appreciate the art for what

491
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Speaker 1: it is. And that's where I think. I think so

492
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Speaker 1: much of this falls apart. That's why for me, Star

493
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Speaker 1: Wars and now the Disney movies are perfect examples of this.

494
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Speaker 1: You had one of the most successful movies in the

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Speaker 1: history of the world in Snow White. To your point, Buck,

496
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Speaker 1: at least ninety five percent of this audience have seen it,

497
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Speaker 1: either as kids yourselves, or as parents or as grandparents.

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Speaker 1: You had a built in audience that loved it, and

499
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Speaker 1: then you're trying to make it for a new generation. Well,

500
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: wait a minute, it's already been made and everybody loves it.

501
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Speaker 1: The remake idea in general doesn't make sense. But if

502
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Speaker 1: you're going to remake something, then.

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Speaker 3: Remake it basically the exact same story, because Snow White

504
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Speaker 3: is transcendent in many ways as a story, and the

505
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Speaker 3: same thing is true of Star Wars. I understand characters

506
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Speaker 3: age out, but the idea that Star Wars wasn't expansive

507
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Speaker 3: enough in its audience. It's the most expansive successful series

508
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Speaker 3: in the history of the world world. Probably is there

509
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Speaker 3: anything that's made more money than Star Wars from a

510
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Speaker 3: movie perspective A series, maybe James Bond, just because they've

511
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Speaker 3: made way more of them, But basically Star Wars is

512
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Speaker 3: the most lucrative movie franchise of all time. That's a

513
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Speaker 3: sign that it's working really well and that you don't

514
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Speaker 3: need to reinvent the wheel. Would be my suggestion Sundays

515
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Speaker 3: with Clay and Boss, the way that Disney has totally

516
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Speaker 3: lost its connection with large segments of the American population.

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Speaker 3: You and I were looking during the commercial break, and

518
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Speaker 3: I've got it pulled up on my phone on the

519
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Speaker 3: stocks app. I don't want to sound like Tim Walls here,

520
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Speaker 3: but if you had bought Disney stock on in July

521
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Speaker 3: of twenty fifteen, so it's basically a decade ago, the

522
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: stock price was around one hundred and twenty dollars a year. Today,

523
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: ten years later, the stock price is around one hundred

524
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Speaker 3: dollars a share, so you would have lost, not even

525
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: factoring in inflation, twenty percent roughly stock valuation at a

526
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Speaker 3: time when the stock market itself has more than doubled.

527
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Speaker 3: Now you may have made some money back on dividends,

528
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: but I bet a lot of you out there have

529
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Speaker 3: Disney stock in your four to h one ks or

530
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: if you buy like I do, S and P five

531
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Speaker 3: hundred index funds. Disney is one of the five hundred

532
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 3: biggest companies in the world, so you're going to have

533
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: some exposure to this company. We talked about this in

534
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Speaker 3: the context of the snow White movie, where Woke Disney

535
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: is collapsing. They're going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars,

536
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Speaker 3: and you and I had a conversation where there's something

537
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: about the casting that just didn't make sense. And I

538
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: think if they had just let you and me actually

539
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: make casting decisions, that the movie might have made a

540
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: billion dollars for Disney instead of losing hundreds of millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars. And if you think that's crazy, as we

542
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Speaker 3: told you yesterday, the original animated snow White, released in

543
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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty seven, made four billion dollars in modern day dollars,

544
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Speaker 3: so it basically funded the Disney Corporation and made it

545
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Speaker 3: the huge success that it was in Walt Disney's era. Now,

546
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Speaker 3: my wife last night we're driving back from dinner, and

547
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Speaker 3: we went to a songwriter event, which was really fun.

548
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Speaker 3: Ten Pans South, one of the events that they do

549
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: here in town where everybody explains how they came to

550
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Speaker 3: write the songs that they did. Very cool in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: And my wife said, I think you're wrong about who

552
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Speaker 3: should have been cast as snow White. She said, Rachel

553
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: Zegler clearly the wrong choice. And then we got into

554
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Speaker 3: my big thing, which is Gal Gadot is actually better

555
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: looking than Rachel Zegler. You can't have you agree with

556
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: me on that.

557
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I think she's too old to be

558
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Speaker 1: snow White. Isn't snow White supposed to be?

559
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Speaker 3: But yeah, but the sorry you all back, I'm fired

560
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: enough about this. I really am fired enough about this.

561
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Mack taking you back to the nineteen thirty seven snow White.

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Speaker 3: The entire premise of snow White is that snow White

563
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Speaker 3: has replaced the evil step Mother as the fairest in

564
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Speaker 3: all the land. So I don't buy off the face

565
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: that Gal Gadot is worse looking than snow White. Right,

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Speaker 3: So the entire premise of the movie doesn't happen if

567
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Speaker 3: the evil step Queen stepmother Queen is it is actually

568
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: still better looking than snow white? But I said, I

569
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Speaker 3: think I said it on the air. I know, I

570
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: tweeted it that Sidney Sweeney should have been cast as

571
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Speaker 3: snow White. My wife says that this is me being

572
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Speaker 3: clouded by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. She says that Sidney Sweeney

573
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Speaker 3: is far too buxhom to use a word that will

574
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Speaker 3: probably make bucks and happy, far too buckshom to have

575
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Speaker 3: actually played snow white. So it got me thinking, I'm

576
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: sure that we're gonna be deluged right now. Who would

577
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Speaker 3: have been? I would stick to my Sidney Sweeney choice.

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Speaker 3: I think it would have been excellent. I think the

579
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Speaker 3: movie would have made a billion dollars, and I think

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Speaker 3: that she would be a fabulous snow White. My wife says,

581
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Speaker 3: I am beclouded potentially by Sidney Sweeney's deakeelatage. I'm trying

582
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Speaker 3: to use as many different words for boobs as I

583
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Speaker 3: can here buck who would have been a better choice?

584
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Speaker 3: And I pushed back against my wife. I said, you remember,

585
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Speaker 3: Lindsey Lohan made a lot of money in those Herbie

586
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Speaker 3: and the love Bug movies, uh back in the day,

587
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Speaker 3: and she was quite the bucks some last uh, and

588
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Speaker 3: it was not considered to be too body. So who

589
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: would have been the appropriate choice for snow white? Buck?

590
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Speaker 3: Do you have a name? Producer, Ali, do you have

591
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Speaker 3: a name? If they had given the Clay and Buck

592
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Speaker 3: show carda blanche here to pick the next snow white,

593
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: who could have been the pick to make a billion dollars?

594
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: I think it's Sidney Sweeney. Do you have a better name?

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Speaker 1: I'm not as I'm first of all, I'm definitely not

596
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: getting in the crossfire here of whether you.

597
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: Are too influenced by Sidney Sweeney's boobs. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: It's characterizing the choice here. I do not want to

599
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: be near the shrapnel from this one. So whatever, however,

600
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Speaker 1: you decide to go this one. I And so there's that.

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Speaker 1: The my thing on the Sidney Sweeney, I'm sorry. On

602
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Speaker 1: the Rachel Zeglars, now, I'm thinking.

603
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, there you go, you're getting clouded too. Can't

604
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: they can't get can't get away? Rachel made a billion dollar.

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Speaker 1: The Rachel Zeglar component of this is and I don't

606
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Speaker 1: say this to be mean, I mean, I just look,

607
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: there are some roles in you know, it's unfortunate. I

608
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: am not going to make a living as an underwear model,

609
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I I wish, I

610
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: wish things were different, but that's not gonna happen. And

611
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Speaker 1: I accept that in life, Like I don't have a

612
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Speaker 1: six pack working on it, but I don't have a

613
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: six pack, and that's just not gonna happened. I'm an

614
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: older guy. I think that snow White should be pretty,

615
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Speaker 1: like really pretty, and I don't think that this was

616
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Speaker 1: a good casting choice for that reason.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's just you she had Rachel Zegler is

618
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: not good looking enough per Buck Sexton to be snow White, correct, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That is That's my take on it. So I could

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Speaker 1: go with any number of different Who is the uh Anna?

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Speaker 1: You know, like you know Anna de Armas? I think

622
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Speaker 1: is is?

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Speaker 5: That?

624
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Speaker 6: Is?

625
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: That? Her name?

626
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Speaker 3: Very pretty? Now she's a little you know.

627
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Speaker 1: I also don't want to get into the ageism thing here,

628
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: but she might be a little bit old, do you

629
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? No, you don't know Anada Armas.

630
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Speaker 1: She played She just was who did she? She just

631
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Speaker 1: played Marilyn Monroe. I think okay, And so you know

632
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: that to me, if you're you're investing, or you could

633
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: go sort of more the you know, the the younger.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I look. It's a cartoon. I

635
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: mean snow White, she falls in love with the prince.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta let's assume snow White is I

637
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Speaker 1: don't know, nineteen or twenty. You know, I think that's

638
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Speaker 1: probably a pretty good if we're trying to throw it

639
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Speaker 1: in the in the range here of what you could

640
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Speaker 1: have somebody that age player who's just a really good

641
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: actress and really pretty and do a really good job.

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I don't think that Rachel

643
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Speaker 1: Zegler is enough of a draw. Somebody pointed out one

644
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Speaker 1: of our VIPs that she was in The West Side Story,

645
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Speaker 1: which also she starred in that Bomb as well. Like

646
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: how many bombs are you allowed to start in before

647
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Speaker 1: people start to realize you are not the draw that

648
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Speaker 1: the executives who make these decisions think they are. You know,

649
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Speaker 1: just like a lot of things, people are figuring this

650
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Speaker 1: out about medicine, about you know, legal minds, about a

651
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: lot there are a lot of morons who are movie executives.

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Speaker 1: They don't know anything. All they want to do is

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Speaker 1: keep their job. Because their job ultimately is overpaid and

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Speaker 1: easy to do but hard to get, which is true

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Speaker 1: of a lot of these sort of senior level corporate jobs.

656
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Speaker 1: It's tough to get. But once you have it, all

657
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Speaker 1: you're trying to do is keep it because you know,

658
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: you go to meetings, you're like, Yo, we should a

659
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Speaker 1: green light this, you know whatever. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that you have to look at these kinds of decisions

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Speaker 1: that Disney has made. Understand these people were They didn't

662
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: build Disney. This is a common thing with leftist as well.

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Speaker 1: The people that are making the decisions there now they

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Speaker 1: inherited Disney and they are driving it into the ground

665
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Speaker 1: same way like Gavin Newsom took over the state of

666
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Speaker 1: California and is just making it worse all the time.

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Speaker 1: He didn't build Hollywood and Silicon Valley. He took it

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Speaker 1: over and ruined it. They're ruining Disney the execs that

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Speaker 1: are running it the same way.

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Speaker 3: Ali producer Ali come up on the mic if you can,

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Speaker 3: do you agree with Laura that Sidney Sweeney's boobs are

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Speaker 3: too big to play snow White? Have I been led

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Speaker 3: astray in my casting decision here? Well, Claire, you're definitely

674
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Speaker 3: looking in the other direction. I'm susceptible to influence, you think,

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Speaker 3: maybe on the casting decisions. She does have that really

676
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Speaker 3: beautiful alabaster skin. Sidney Sweeney does. Yeh, yeah she does.

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Speaker 3: Dakota Fanning does too. Okay, that was your suggestion, Dakota

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Speaker 3: Fanning and Buck I'll sign off on this. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't, I legit didn't don't know who this person is.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not claiming, by the way, to be that

681
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Speaker 3: plugged in on many modern day movies because I'm not

682
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Speaker 3: out as much added to armis. But it's actually a

683
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Speaker 3: really good call. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because it's is this someone, This is movies,

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Speaker 1: This is fantasy. You want to really look at her

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Speaker 1: face on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is.

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Speaker 1: This is the business. And I know we're like getting

689
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Speaker 1: away from this these days. And it's interesting too. You know,

690
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Speaker 1: there's the whole like body positivity thing ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: which everybody's oh, you know, maybe even sooner than more

692
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Speaker 1: recently than that, and now with all these different drugs

693
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Speaker 1: people can take, you have these celebrities who are look

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Speaker 1: on body positive and now they weigh like one hundred pounds.

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Speaker 3: Please focused on the apples. What happened to, Uh yeah,

696
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Speaker 3: Ali jumping in and saying that I'm focused on the apples.

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Speaker 3: It is true the but yeah, you're right the body positive.

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Speaker 3: As soon as ozempic started, body positivity didn't exist anymore.

699
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted to get skinny. Everybody like, hey, I'm super fat,

700
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Speaker 3: but I'm really positive about the way I look. No,

701
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: people are taking being ozimbic like crazy if they can

702
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Speaker 3: afford it. And the body positivity thing, which by the way,

703
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: isn't very healthy, right, Like this whole idea of putting

704
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Speaker 3: people who are morbidly obese on fitness magazine and being like, oh,

705
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Speaker 3: this person is like superbody positive. I think maybe you

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Speaker 3: should be a little bit less body positive and try

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Speaker 3: and get healthier. Just an idea. Yes, it's actually not help.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I practice what I preach with this one.

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00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: It is not good. You don't want to sit down

710
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: with your doctor and have them say, hey, you're trending

711
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: toward pre diabetes. You don't want to have that conversation.

712
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to find out that some

713
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: of your blood and your health markers are going south

714
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Speaker 1: on you, because you're going to pay the price no

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00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: matter what some celebrity says. So you know, not everybody

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Speaker 1: has to Like I said, you don't have to be

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Speaker 1: a bikini or an underwear model. A guy girl doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Matt Well, I mean guys you know, only don't wear bikinis.

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Speaker 3: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's not about being perfect. It's not about keeping yourself

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Speaker 1: at some unrealistic level of expectation. It's just about being

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Speaker 1: healthy and getting the most out of your day to

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Speaker 1: day out of your life. And people that tell you

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter anything that you know. However, if

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: someone looks is totally fine, they're lying to them and

726
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: they're not being honest with them with themselves about what

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00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: the long term issues are. But back to you, like,

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Speaker 1: who's hot enough to play snow White? I can't believe

729
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: we've been having this conversation. Look for me, Clay, it's

730
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Speaker 1: it's even beyond. The funniest thing is still the Dwarfs.

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Speaker 1: That they got rid of the Dwarves, and.

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Speaker 3: I think they should be really mad at Peter Dinklice,

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Speaker 3: the guy who got to play Tyrian Lanister. He's gotten

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Speaker 3: every good dwarf role for the entire like last generation.

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Speaker 3: And then he tells the people who were acted the

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Speaker 3: tiny ladder up behind him. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's nice. Yeah, totally just totally like destroyed these seven

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Speaker 3: dwarf actors who aren't going to ever have the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you go out and I don't know, you kill

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Speaker 3: it as dopey or doc and next thing you know,

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Speaker 3: you're you're the next Tyrian Lanister character. The fact that

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Speaker 3: they made to avoid offending people, they didn't let actual

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Speaker 3: dwarves play the dwarves and instead they made commuter computer

744
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Speaker 3: animated versions of them, which is just to me kind of.

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Speaker 2: The peak of the woke absurdity, right, I mean, this

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00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: is a bit like how in order like they in

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Speaker 2: order to truly support women, the left feminist movement, in

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Speaker 2: its final stages here has decided that men can be

749
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Speaker 2: women the same way any women can, and in doing

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Speaker 2: so completely undermine women, women's rights, women's sports, etc.

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Speaker 1: Right, it goes to the ultimate conclusion of the destruction

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00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: of the thing that it supposedly supports and cares about.

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Speaker 3: The most ridiculous woke Disney move ever. And I still

754
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Speaker 3: think this is steric. But by the way, you can

755
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: talk back if you think we're crazy on this. Do

756
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: you remember when they decided that the African animals had

757
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Speaker 3: to have black voices or else it would be cultural

758
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Speaker 3: appropriation when they remade the Lion King. This is one

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Speaker 3: of the most crazy parts of this. They said that

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Speaker 3: if it's not a black voice the animal, it is

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Speaker 3: cultural appropriation. For instance, for a lion, which is from

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Speaker 3: Africa to not be voiced by a black person in America,

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Speaker 3: it is That was like, next, I don't even know

764
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Speaker 3: how you get your head around how crazy that is.

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Speaker 3: They were concerned that a lion having a white voice

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Speaker 3: would be cultural appropriation, so they had black, you know,

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Speaker 3: American actors the.

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Speaker 1: Original Lion King. There was criticism because the one of

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Speaker 1: the hyenas was was voiced by Whoopi Goldberg and Scar

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Speaker 1: they say, is you know Scar, the lion is gay?

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Speaker 1: And so there was this whole Oh, there's these subliminal

772
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Speaker 1: messages of who the bad like, who the bad guys

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Speaker 1: or bad people are and it's like, these are cartoons.

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Speaker 1: It's a cartoon, yes, lion guys, the cartoon hyena like

775
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Speaker 1: that is not really but people get very excited about

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Speaker 1: this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Reaction pouring in Brian's got a funny one here, Buck,

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Speaker 3: I believe the obvious choice for snow White would be

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Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney. That would I mean, if they had cast

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Speaker 3: a dude as snow White, that would have been Peaked Disney.

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Speaker 1: That would have been I'm gonna tell you this, As

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Speaker 1: much as that would be insane and like the destruction

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Speaker 1: of Western civilization happening in real time, I would almost

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Speaker 1: respect Disney's Hootspot with that one.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, Wow, Wow, they're going to do They're going

786
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Speaker 3: all in like that.

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Speaker 1: That would be that would be just just clacking off

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Speaker 1: the explosives to bring down the Magic Kingdom all at once.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that would just be Wow, that would be

790
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Speaker 3: really really funny. Yet, but yes, I mean, why not

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Speaker 3: go ahead and be as expansive as possible for UH

792
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Speaker 3: to be able to set that up? It would be

793
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Speaker 3: really really funny to see that happen. And by the way,

794
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Speaker 3: producer Ali deluged UH in reaction.

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Speaker 3: You're up first, Well.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks guys, first time been able to get into y'all.

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Speaker 5: I've been tried many times, but this is the number

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Speaker 5: one news station or news radio in the country right here.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, absolutely so. My casting choice would be Sabrina

806
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Speaker 5: Carpenter for snow White. I think she has caught the

807
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 5: apple of the American eyes and many different demographics. I

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00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 5: think she handles herself really well and is not afraid

809
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Speaker 5: to make fun of herself. I think she would promote

810
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Speaker 5: snow White much better than miss Zegler. And there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of people in the music industry icons that want

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Speaker 5: to work with her and have like Paul Simon, and

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Dolly Parton wants to work with her in

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Speaker 5: the future.

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Speaker 1: I thank you, though, who thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the call.

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Speaker 3: Clay.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who Sabrina Carpenter is. I've never heard

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Speaker 1: of her, nor have I ever seen her before.

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Speaker 3: She is insanely famous musician, So that is really funny

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Speaker 3: that you have never heard of her. It's like the

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Speaker 3: Morgan Wallen situation on MOD and.

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Speaker 1: I just do one of those. Is she a country

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Speaker 1: music person?

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Speaker 3: I'm not an first of all, I am tone deaf,

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Speaker 3: so I am not a great judge of incredible singing

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Speaker 3: talent or anything else. But she is one of the

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Speaker 3: most famous young singers out there right now, so I

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Speaker 3: think that she would likely potentially do very well. She's pretty,

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Speaker 3: she's got that sort of alabaster skin. Careful, the peanut

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Speaker 3: butter skin line. You were gonna say that. I knew

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Speaker 3: you were going to talk about that quote from I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if I ever talk about

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Speaker 3: the color skin of somebody in a positive way. So

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Speaker 3: the alabaster skin line is just you know, she's she's white.

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Speaker 3: I mean snow white is white as as as a

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Speaker 3: big part of her appeal. And it's like not a

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Speaker 3: super tan skin but uh, but it is very funny

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Speaker 3: in and of itself. And uh, and there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of people she is a called a pop princess.

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Speaker 3: She was the she's a Grammy nominee. She's very very

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Speaker 3: popular at at this point in time. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know the first element here. You've never heard of Sabrina Carpenter,

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Speaker 3: never heard of her before, So I clearly I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just don't I'm not that connected to the pop

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Speaker 1: culture these days April in Salt Lake City, where we

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Speaker 1: are number one, and we love you salt Lake for

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Speaker 1: listening to us. Thank you so much. What's going on, April?

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Speaker 6: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Hi, my favorite men?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 5: Hi, Hey, I was just thinking that Julia Butters would

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Speaker 5: be a really good choice. She's got that perfect complexion.

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Speaker 5: She's fairs of.

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Speaker 1: Them all, but she could be very tan as well.

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Speaker 1: She's known for like Gabby in Criminal Mind. So she

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Speaker 1: does the.

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Speaker 3: Role of Ella in a prime video series Transparent.

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Speaker 6: She's been known for Once upon a.

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Speaker 7: Time in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: She's really really.

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Speaker 5: Cute, good looking actress. I sent you a picture of

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Speaker 5: her on Facebook Messenger.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thank you.

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Speaker 1: You have great taste in radio, and we know that

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Speaker 1: since you say we're your favorite men, you've got great

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Speaker 1: taste in men. So I'm assuming Julia Butters is an

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Speaker 1: excellent choice.

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Speaker 3: Clay.

870
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Once again, I don't even know. I've never heard of

871
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: this person before, have you.

872
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: I had to look her up. I didn't know who

873
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: she was, but she does have a snow white look

874
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: about her. I tend to think this would be, you know,

875
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: kind of an opportunity where somebody just calls somebody calls

876
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: in there like the agent for the individual.

877
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately the moment has passed because they're not

878
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: going to make another snow White movie.

879
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: For a very maybe for the rest of the life

880
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: of anybody out there that is here. By the way,

881
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: I put up a poll, and I'm probably gonna get

882
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: get dunked on by my wife for this, but I

883
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: have a poll up right now. Is my wife right,

884
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: am I distracted by Sidney Sweeney's booze and not making

885
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: rational choices? Or would Sidney Sweeney in the role of

886
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: snow White have made the movie a billion dollars? You

887
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: can all go vote in this right now. Eighty seven

888
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: percent of you say Sidney Sweeney would have made this

889
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: a billion dollar franchise. So maybe many of you are

890
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: also in the audience out there, thousands of you voting

891
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: at Clay Travis on Twitter. Maybe you are also similarly

892
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: bedazzled by her decolotage. But most of you are agreeing

893
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: with me right now, which Laura Travis will still will

894
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: still argue the other way, but that is out there

895
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: on the big Pole day as well.

896
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 5: Well.

897
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: I think that maybe this is getting too deep into

898
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: the philosophy of this, but I think that the the left,

899
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: including the crew, you know, the left. It used to

900
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: be predominantly when they were in charge of Hollywood, and

901
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: they still are, but things are changing or Hollywood's not

902
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: what it used to be. Yeah, they had left wing politics,

903
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: but they would have the people they would put forward

904
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: who are supposed to be good looking.

905
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 3: We're very good looking.

906
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: I think that the left opposes excellence and beauty as

907
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: a general thing, excellence as a general concept, and I

908
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: think that they are increasingly they find beauty to be exclusionary,

909
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: where you know, it's an exclusive category and therefore it's

910
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: not inclusive and therefore it can't be a good thing,

911
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: which is why we have, you know, these campaigns of

912
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: like very basically very autottractive and weird looking people to

913
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: sell clothing for example, which I started in recent Like

914
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: this all comes from so there's something psychologically that pushes this.

915
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: But this is all failed.

916
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: They tried to say, oh no, this is going to

917
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: expand our that's a lie. It actually fails dramatically because

918
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: people when you're talking about things where you're buying into

919
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: it for the brand, for the story, there should be

920
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: there's an aspirational quality to this, right, Like when I

921
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: buy an under armor shirt. I'm not going to look

922
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: like bo Jackson in his prime in my under armor shirt.

923
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I good, good recall there, Yeah,

924
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, but I'm not going to look like him.

925
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: But I still you know, you aspire to that brand

926
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: and you see this and there's sort of a signaling

927
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: in your brain of like, well, I want to be

928
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: a part of that in some way.

929
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: Same thing is true with like leading ladies in Hollywood.

930
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're we're allowed to be like, oh,

931
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: this is a very beautiful and alluring person who is

932
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: on the silver screen, and you know it.

933
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: Doesn't have to be.

934
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: All pulled down into the sort of the hoy peloi

935
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: and the day to day of everything.

936
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: The best example of this buck is Victoria's Secret. Victoria's

937
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: Secret for a generation sold, Hey, we want we have

938
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: these beautiful women wearing lingerie, and everybody understands that they're

939
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: not going to look probably as beautiful as the average

940
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: Victoria's Secret supermodel, but is an aspirational desire. And they decided,

941
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: for body positivity reasons, we're going to start having basically

942
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: normal women modeling the lingerie. And you know what happened

943
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: sales collapsed because people are looking at like, I don't

944
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: I want to aspire to be something that I am not, right,

945
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: like the entire aspect of whether you like it or not,

946
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: of selling gear to your point, like men wear shoes

947
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: because they hope they're going to jump as high as

948
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. Is that ridiculous, Yes, But the aspiration is

949
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: that you can be something like someone who is not normal.

950
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: You can aspire to also be a better version of yourself.

951
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: And so they weigh at this.

952
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: The way that this I think is manifested in the

953
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: psychology and the philosophy of the left, the Democrat party,

954
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: is that they are inherently uncomfortable with and want to

955
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: suppress excellence. As I said, because it is exclusive, right,

956
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: So to be excellent anything means you have to be

957
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: elite or better than others in the category, right, Yeah,

958
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: to be an excellent classical musician, flute, to be an

959
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: excellent you know, to be a beauty queen, to be

960
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: it's the entire foundation of sports, right, This is why

961
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: men and women's sports is so important, right, perfect example

962
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: of this. So they're you know, you can either elevate

963
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: what is excellent and give people something aspirational as a society,

964
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: or you can pull everybody down by destroying merit and

965
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: excellence in whatever ways that you can, because then they're

966
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: easier to control because they're demoralized, and society is now

967
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: just one, just one sort of formless mass of people

968
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: who want to be safe and warm and fed and

969
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: never aspire to anything. And this is this is how

970
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: the psychology of a left manifests itself more and more

971
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: in art, which I think, instead of elevating people, brings

972
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: people down, which is a very fancy way of saying,

973
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: this is why they turned against hot chicks. You see

974
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: what I there, I stuck the landing.

975
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: It's also I think we talked about this a little

976
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: bit yesterday, but I do think that you said, Rachel

977
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: Zegler not good enough looking to be snow white. I

978
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: think that's not a bad argument. I mean, this is

979
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: an incredibly beautiful.

980
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I like how your tiptoe on the clays like, I'm

981
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: not sure I'm going to take the heat on that

982
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: one with you, buddy.

983
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: I think, by the way, I would one billion percent

984
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: welcome Daily Mail mediaite headline. Clay Travis, fat ugly radio

985
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 3: guy says that Rachel Zegler is not good looking enough

986
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: to be snow white. I will second your take, that

987
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: was your first take. I will sign on to and

988
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: I will co sign it.

989
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: But the part that I think is ridiculous is they

990
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: decided to go with a Latina snow white, which I

991
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: think we have to end this race based craziness.

992
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: Right. We talked about this a little bit yesterday. But

993
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: I do hope because Hollywood is such a copycat, copy

994
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: copycat place, that this idea of having historic figures that

995
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: are defined in some way by their physical appearance and

996
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 3: claiming that it doesn't matter to your point, the black

997
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: female Viking warrior, Yeah, that didn't happen, right, Like Bridgerton, Hey,

998
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: this is set in a seventeenth or eighteenth century palace

999
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: in London. I'm sorry, Like everybody there was white by

1000
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: and large, unless there's some visiting you know, foreign country

1001
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: emissary there. So you telling me, hey, we're trying to

1002
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: deconstruct history by just having people play roles that they

1003
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: could have never played. It takes me completely out of

1004
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: the story. Much like and I'm going to get more

1005
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: heat for this musicals Like I don't want people to

1006
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: start singing. I like plays I was looking. I'm gonna

1007
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: be up in New York recently. Buck, I'm going to

1008
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: go see Othello with Denzel Washington and Jay Gillenhall playing,

1009
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: which I think will be an amazing Broadway play. They're

1010
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: doing previews for it right now. I like historic Shakespeare,

1011
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: I like plays. I might even go see the I'm

1012
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: gonna get heat for this when I'm up there. I

1013
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: might even go see this new George Clooney uh Broadway

1014
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: play which is about uh, the Edward R. Murrow I think,

1015
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: or somebody back in the fifties who was a newscaster.

1016
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 3: And I know George Clooney is a super left wing guy,

1017
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: but he's pretty talent actor, I think, And I know

1018
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: Denzel Washington is one of the greatest actors of his generation.

1019
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: I would like to see him on a stage see

1020
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: I like, I like.

1021
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: I like arguing the when I can. I don't think

1022
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: George Clooney is a very good actor. I think he

1023
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: I think he's plays the same thing and everything he's in.

1024
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: I think he's very one note. So I'm just I'm

1025
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna throw a flag on this one. Is he handsway

1026
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: all right? He's handsome?

1027
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 3: Sure? Is he is he a good actor?

1028
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: Though, I've never seen George Clooney in anything where I've gone,

1029
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he really like leaned into that one.

1030
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: It's always the same thing.

1031
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: He's like, look at me, I'm so handsome, looking at

1032
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: my square jaw.

1033
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1034
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm not into it. I don't have a problems. He's

1035
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: not a full mallogion either. He's not full of allusion.

1036
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, mallusions better looking than Clooney. I agree

1037
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: with you there. I think, can we go to the archives.

1038
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: I think Trump came on the show and ripped George

1039
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Clooney with the exact same take that you have last year.

1040
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: I think I think I agree on everything, Clay. I

1041
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: think I think Trump came on and said he's a

1042
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: TV guy, he's not really a movie star. He didn't

1043
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: have that good of a career. I think I think

1044
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: Trump came on the show it said that about George Clooney.

1045
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: See if we can track that doubt in the archives.

1046
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go watch the play and I'm gonna go

1047
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: watch you agree with me on Denzel like one of

1048
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 3: the greatest actors, one of the tenors of his generation.

1049
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Denzel's phenomenal.

1050
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I'm gonna go watch that, I think

1051
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks when I'm up in New

1052
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: York City and uh, and my point on that is excellence.

1053
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: I want to see excellence, and I don't. I would

1054
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 3: not go see again. Do you see my.

1055
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Point though about when when you look at when you

1056
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: look at authoritarian and totalitarian societies, they people are all

1057
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: demoralized and all they're allowed to aspire to is the

1058
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: will of the state.

1059
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: There.

1060
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: This is why you know art is crushed, religion is crushed.

1061
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: You can't you can't aspire to have or not beautiful

1062
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: right like looking buildings. Absolutely there there is a this

1063
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: is a auty.

1064
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: Across the across the entire platform of the of the authoritaries.

1065
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: Because because then people just that they just want whatever

1066
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: the most basic things are and they don't want to

1067
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: be attacked, and they don't they don't want to be different,

1068
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: and because there is nothing to aspire to, because there

1069
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: is nothing that you want to become, uh or or

1070
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: that you want to try to emulate in some way

1071
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: in your own life. You just whatever the state, whatever

1072
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: sort of gruel the state dishes out on your plate

1073
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: that is your life. And this is what you see

1074
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: in like former Soviet block architecture. And you know, people

1075
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: would talk about some of the the Soviets, you know,

1076
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,959
Speaker 1: they made things a little more complicated because they took

1077
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, brilliant artists like Tchaikowski for example, and they

1078
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: had the Bolshoy, the ballet, the state funded ballet.

1079
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: But that was all done before this.

1080
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: You know, that was all done before Stalin came along, right,

1081
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: these they didn't produce any good artwork except for dissident writers,

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Speaker 1: which tells you something in the twentieth century. So the

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Speaker 1: attack on beauty and the destruction of it as a

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Speaker 1: concept in whether it's physicality, architecture, music, all these things,

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Speaker 1: it is actually part of a collectivist and authoritarian playbook.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it always is, right, let me tell you go.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of interesting new artwork being created in.

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Speaker 3: China these days.

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Speaker 1: Everything that you think of is Chinese culture that's you know,

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Speaker 1: interesting and worthwhile. That's before mao, since maw nothing new.

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Speaker 1: They just copy our stuff in our technology. But I

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Speaker 1: mean there's nothing new, and there's a reason.

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Speaker 3: For that, all right.

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Speaker 1: I got a little fired off about this one. But

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Speaker 1: we need we needed to take We need to take

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Speaker 1: this out of the Clay Sydney Sweeney zone for a second.

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Speaker 3: Here, you're a funny you were you were. She would

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Speaker 3: have made a billion, She would have made a billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to help Disney out, trying to help

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Speaker 3: the company out. They won't listen to me.