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Speaker 1: Hello, my loves It is Lala Kent with Randal and

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Speaker 1: if you guys have forgotten, this is the Give Them

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Speaker 1: La La with Randall podcast. We've taken a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks off.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we are glad to be back. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you that the thing is, you know we were

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Speaker 2: going to come back last week, and we didn't really know.

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Speaker 2: I actually think we were ready. We just didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know how.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't start. I couldn't like sit in this room

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Speaker 1: speak when I knew that there were things going on

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Speaker 1: outside of this room that I could be a part of.

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Speaker 2: Well, you went. You went to a lot of protests.

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Speaker 2: I went to a couple, but you were at a

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Speaker 2: lot of them. I mean, uh, And I just think

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Speaker 2: it would have just been irresponsible of us to come

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Speaker 2: back in here when we were still processing, when we

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Speaker 2: were still having conversations. I definitely was having a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I know you were. We've been doing a lot

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Speaker 2: of listening and a lot of reflection, and we think

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Speaker 2: the best thing for us to do is to continue listening.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: So having said that we are back, today, and I

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Speaker 2: am very excited about our guests because our guest is

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Speaker 2: the amazing, insightful, incredibly talented and friend of ours. I

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Speaker 2: always say that long I would say everybody is a

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Speaker 2: fucking friend of ours.

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Speaker 1: But Too Short, Too Short, Too Short, someone who I've

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Speaker 1: been a fan of since I was a young kid

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Speaker 2: And you've been asking have you been you been actually

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Speaker 2: actually since I introduced you to Too Short? What about

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Speaker 2: I don't know, a year ago or something. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: were asked when we get our podcast going, you got

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Speaker 2: to get him on the air, And I was like,

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Speaker 2: of course, I'll come on. So it's just really cool

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Speaker 2: that you know, he has become a friend. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, I think Too Short is like in

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Speaker 2: my age demographic, and I think, you know, with what

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Speaker 2: I just think he's going to have a lot to

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Speaker 2: share with us and for a lot for us to

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Speaker 2: learn from. And you know one thing I'm going to say,

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Speaker 2: Lala say it is that I talk a lot.

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Speaker 1: I know I've done nothing but listen since I just

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Speaker 1: introduced the reintroduced.

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Speaker 2: The podcast, Lala, I'm still talking.

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Speaker 1: I know, Okay, keep going. So what I want to say,

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Speaker 1: we wrap it up, keep going, say what you know.

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Speaker 2: What I'm going to say is that today I really

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Speaker 2: want to do a lot of listening. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's important, even in my age, even at forty nine

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Speaker 2: years old, I think that this movement of Black Lives

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Speaker 2: Matter is it's just time for everybody to listen, no

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Speaker 2: matter how you're raised or how diverse you are. You know,

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Speaker 2: I consider myself really, and I mean this very diverse,

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Speaker 2: that's I think.

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Speaker 1: There's always room for more education. I've throughout these past

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Speaker 1: purchased a lot of books. I've listened to my black

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Speaker 1: feel like what we have been doing is not enough.

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Speaker 1: It's not enough to just have the conversation once. It's

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Speaker 1: not enough to just go to a protest, like we

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Speaker 2: We are seeing a lot of people being held accountable now,

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Speaker 2: which I am so proud to see. I think It's

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Speaker 2: when I'm watching these protests here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: And they've been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just I mean seeing people from ten years

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Speaker 2: Nobody has an excuse to not participate time.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, if Jennifer Lopez is getting her ass out there

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Speaker 3: The cool thing is it's not just happening in the

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Speaker 2: I agree. But even in even in the Valley of

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Speaker 2: And my daughter said, oh, Daddy, that's the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: This is every single day. I'm getting a message from

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Speaker 1: one of my friends saying, this is the meeting spot tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're protesting it this time, and it's like it just

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Speaker 1: gives me chills. I feel like I've supported this movement

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, now I'm ready to you know,

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Speaker 2: put a smile on people's faces. But also you don't happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, how should you not put a smile on someone's

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Speaker 1: really just want to hone in on like where he started,

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Speaker 1: how he got his name too Short? Like where did

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Speaker 1: that come from? I want to know it all he's

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Speaker 2: I think that's bad. I'm gonna have to ask.

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Speaker 1: I do like this, put a look on your face

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Speaker 1: like he's Miles some piece, you know, the Thiszle dance.

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Speaker 1: You just gotta break it down, break it down, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I saw you know he he has had

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Speaker 1: his brain. I want him to mention it all. So

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Speaker 1: please try to not talk a lot, because I just

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Speaker 1: want to hear Too Short through my headphones the entire time.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't see the look on his face. He's eyeballing

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Speaker 2: Should I just go home now?

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Speaker 1: No? No, no? I love I love you next to me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I love it all right you guys. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have Too Short. I'm gonna have to show

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Speaker 2: You mean this time or all the time.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of making up to do. We

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Speaker 1: we have my boy Too Short. What's up Short? How

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Speaker 1: We're glad you're here, Grateful that you're here. Man.

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Speaker 5: Last time I saw you were in the club turning up.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how crazy is it in life? Short that that

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Speaker 2: COVID still exists, but first time so that we're excited

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Speaker 2: to have you here live with us. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the world has changed. Twenty twenty is is

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Speaker 2: It's going to go down in history. So I just

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Speaker 2: how does it happen? How do you get into music?

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Speaker 5: Well, it starts in elementary school as a music student

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Speaker 5: So the first chance I got, I enrolled in music

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Speaker 5: I bravely ventured out and I said, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: I was jumping the fence and in your guard and

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Speaker 5: You can never do it again. Wow, And I got dropped,

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Speaker 5: will I will admit it. I tried to play cool

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Speaker 5: I first heard rap music in ninth grade.

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Speaker 5: Rappers Delight was the first really rap song that I

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Speaker 5: I just tried to put I put this instrumental record on,

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Speaker 2: That's it, And I just rapped, and I just you.

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Speaker 2: So you start, you start doing your own like basically raps,

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Speaker 5: I didn't graduate by choice?

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Speaker 5: I had a dream, Like I knew things were you know,

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Speaker 5: So when I got to twelfth grade, I was doing

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Speaker 5: I was on my fair share of fucking up. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. I was maintaining a D average on purpose.

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Speaker 5: So I got the twelfth grade and everybody's getting all

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Speaker 2: And I had a dream, but at this point, your

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Speaker 5: They were all. They were all very lucid, very bright,

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Speaker 2: So this is amazing.

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Speaker 5: I was just I was so affected by my friends

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Speaker 5: and you like something would happened. He was like, let

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't it's funny, but it's not.

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Speaker 5: And if the guys walked, they got their cap and gown,

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Speaker 2: But they can't read. But they can't read a book.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even want that ship.

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Speaker 5: I was like two credits short of a diploma and

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Speaker 5: do you get your ged? Fuck all this right, I'm

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Speaker 2: Now what happens? So? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean I had a plan. It never once

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Speaker 2: You weren't ever worried you.

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Speaker 5: This was not going to work. I'm like, this shit

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Speaker 1: You just knew, and you knew that you would do

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Speaker 5: Because everywhere I went, every time I got on the

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Speaker 5: And how I got an opening slot on a big

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Speaker 5: Never had a song on the radio. I never had

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Speaker 5: Promoter? The guy who his name was Lionel B. And

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Speaker 5: Graham Bayry Productions, and h he put me on the spot.

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Speaker 5: He knew about me in the streets. He knew. And

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Speaker 2: They knew the word oh oh, so you were big

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Speaker 5: Everybody was in shocked. They're like, I got off stage

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Speaker 1: Did you have any idea that you were so big

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Speaker 5: Like, what was that moment I got the bus to

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Speaker 5: Bo Wait, So I borrowed the clothes that I was wearing.

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Speaker 5: So after that moment I had already I had to

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Speaker 5: and ship. The studio sessions used to be drug laced

440
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 5: and it was, you know, just everybody was just but

441
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 5: it was also like like I'm eighteen, and when you're eighteen,

442
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 5: just getting out of high school. In high school, a

443
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 5: lot of times you know the girls at your school

444
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 5: date older guys, right, and it was a lot of

445
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 5: like the super fine ones, they I'll mess with little boys.

446
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: They want the grown metal.

447
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 5: So here I am. I instantly end up in this

448
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 5: crew with these guys, these musicians, and this big dreg

449
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 5: dealer and we like he like takes me under his wing,

450
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 5: and all these chicks who, like I know, who are

451
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 5: like grown ass finance chicks are coming over his house

452
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 5: and like taking their pants off and just hanging out

453
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 5: in their panties and because they want to, they want

454
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 5: to get high and they want to kick it.

455
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

456
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 5: And I'm just over there like a fly on the wall,

457
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, just kind of like just seeing how it

458
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 5: all goes and player lifestyle and you know, the girls

459
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 5: in there dancing in their underwear and I'm like, you know,

460
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 5: guys like one of my heroes.

461
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: And right, like you were more of an observer at.

462
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 5: This It's almost like I was trained to find the

463
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 5: things and that I liked, like what to do and what.

464
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: Not to do.

465
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: It was like it was like, it was basically like

466
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: your graduation, your graduations. I got to see all that

467
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: shit without actually touching it, right, you didn't go down

468
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: that rabbit hole, because you saw it all happening in front.

469
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 5: I saw that the guy who got all the money

470
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 5: with the boss man. I saw the guy who did

471
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 5: all the work and just wanted to get high, was,

472
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 5: you know, riding around the fucked up car and just

473
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: coming over even if drugs are free. But I'm like,

474
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 5: I don't want that life, you know, right right? And

475
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 5: it just it really prepared me for the next thing

476
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 5: I did, which is wild start my own company.

477
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so now what happens with that?

478
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 5: How the seventy five Girls was nineteen eighty five. I

479
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 5: got at high school eighty four. In eighty five and

480
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: eighty six, I was in that environment. I was just

481
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 5: describing eight ten, nineteen years. I look back on it

482
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 5: as a treasure because at the same time all this

483
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 5: stuff is going on, the guy the boss band was

484
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 5: running an independent label, and literally he would go to

485
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 5: the studio, pay for the sessions. He would pay the musicians,

486
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 5: he would pay the engineers. He would take it somewhere

487
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 5: and get it all mixed down. He would take it

488
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 5: somewhere else and have it all manufactured and cassettes and records,

489
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 5: and then he would drive over to San rafael A,

490
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 5: cross the bridge and drop it off to a distributor.

491
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 5: Then he would take it to certain mom and pop

492
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 5: stores that took product direct, and then he would wait

493
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 5: a while and he'd go making rounds and he just

494
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 5: pick up money and pick up checks.

495
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: So he was it's like a one man show.

496
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 5: But the whole way, he's telling me, I'm going over here,

497
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 5: We're gonna go over here and talk to George, we're

498
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 5: gonna stop by here, we're gonna pick up today, and you'

499
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 5: dropping on he takes. I'm just I'm just learning everything.

500
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: So you're basically getting an education of how to run

501
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: a company, distribute your own product, go to the studio,

502
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: release it.

503
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 5: The whole thing, and the most important because a lot

504
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 5: of people didn't know that part. Go get your fucking money.

505
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: It's just because you put out a song or put

506
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: out an album doesn't mean you're paid.

507
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 5: And a lot of artists when they're young, they don't

508
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 5: even want the money. They're like, you know, that's my guy,

509
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: My guy, he's got everything.

510
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm on the radio.

511
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 5: Find out seven years later your guy is you know

512
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: he took off your body. Yeah, so I got that

513
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 5: was another lovely thing that everything I ever did in

514
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 5: business since that little experience was I don't care who

515
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 5: we're partners, what we're doing. I'm on the bank accounts.

516
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 5: I'm the money does not come to anybody. It comes

517
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 5: to either us or me, doesn't go it doesn't go

518
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: three other parties. You're not gonna tell me the account

519
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 5: and show me a piece of pain.

520
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: By the way, my dad taught me as a kid

521
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: when I was starting my production company twenty four years ago.

522
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: He said, always be the signer. Don't let anybody else sign,

523
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: no matter what. And I took that to heart, and

524
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: I even told you that lot like you always want

525
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: to be signing your own stuff. It doesn't even matter

526
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: if it's a.

527
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: So no one's signing or doing anything on my behalf.

528
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: I freak out if I lose the dollar.

529
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 5: I pick up any to this day. By the way,

530
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 5: I don't really collect anything. If I drop it, I'm picking.

531
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I respect I respect that. By the way,

532
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: if you want to talk about the cheapest person on

533
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: the planet is my fiance.

534
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, people said I keep stying for his money. No,

535
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm as a.

536
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Lot of money. She just keeps it all.

537
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: No, I like it all myself.

538
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: Short.

539
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I gotta know real quick, when did you get the

540
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: name too short? Was that something you chose for yourself?

541
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 5: My room name is Todd. And when I got to

542
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 5: high school, I didn't have a nickname, and my brothers

543
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 5: was My brother was two grades ahead of me. So

544
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 5: I get to tenth grade. He's in twelfth grade, and

545
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: they're like the seniors of the school, and he and

546
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 5: I kind of the first thing I did when I

547
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 5: got to school was kind of clicked up with them

548
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: a little bit because they're already established crew and I'm

549
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 5: going to a high school. I didn't really know anybody,

550
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 5: and they I remember, I remember clear as day. We

551
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: was sitting around and they go, well, shit, we damn

552
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: sure're not gonna call you Todd. So and they started

553
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 5: these are older guys, right, They started throwing all these

554
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: names out, like they're gonna call men that ain't working,

555
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 5: that ain't working, that ain't working. And then this dude

556
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: came up who everybody knew. His name was Shorty and

557
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: he walks up to the group of people while the

558
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: joke is on, and he's a little bit taller than me,

559
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 5: and they're like, damn you, he can't name you. He's

560
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 5: shorter than Shorty, Like somebody said, you're just fucking short.

561
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: So my name was never too short. My name was

562
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 5: always short because there was a dude name Shorty that

563
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 5: was taller than me. So my name was short got it.

564
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 5: And I hated that ship is stuff well for you though, yeah,

565
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 5: and it just and it was just it was a joke,

566
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: like short was always a fucking joke with him, and

567
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 5: then I flipped it on him. One day, we went

568
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 5: to see this movie called Penitentiary and the league character

569
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: his name was too Sweet, and he was in jail

570
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: and he was boxing in jail, but they would let

571
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 5: him out of jail to go get pussy and everybody

572
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 5: he fought, he beat their ass. He was the hero

573
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 5: of the movie. So one day I was talking to

574
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 5: this bum, a homeless guy and I always hung out

575
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 5: with my brother and them, and they left me. They

576
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 5: went in the party. I was I was too little

577
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 5: to go in the party. So it's probably like a

578
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: Friday night and I'm hanging out of this party for

579
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 5: two three hours talking to this homeless guy. Yeah, because

580
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 5: my brother didn't will let me go in the party.

581
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 5: But I'm my mother. My mother probably like, well, if

582
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 5: you want to go, you gotta take him. So it

583
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 5: was that type of thing. Oh, I didn't mind. So

584
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 5: I'm hanging outside. I'm asking us. I used to always

585
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 5: ask homeless people questions. I still do. Really, just how

586
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 5: was life? You know, that's nice, but you get a

587
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 5: lot of information.

588
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been through some ship.

589
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: Well. I went to school, prit Art High School in Miami,

590
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: in downtown, and it was filled with all those people,

591
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: and I used to have conversations. I used to you know,

592
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: wh I hear things. Maybe not as a death, but

593
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I definitely always was opened mind.

594
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: So I can see it in Short's eyes. He gives it.

595
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: Damn about it.

596
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's cool to give a fuck.

597
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you give a lot of fus. I

598
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: can tell by his eyes.

599
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 5: Okay, So I told them. The homeless guy asked me

600
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: what my name was, and I didn't want to say Todd,

601
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 5: so and I didn't want to stay short. I didn't

602
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 5: have ship to say, so I thought of the movie

603
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 5: you're too sweet, and I thought the joke was short,

604
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 5: and I said, yeah, my name is too short, and

605
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: that's how yeah, and so he kind of, uh when

606
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: my brother name came out the party, he kind of

607
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 5: was like saying, all right, all right, you know, like

608
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 5: we like we homies and were saying goodbye, yeah, and

609
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: he yelled out my name and then it just it.

610
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: Just took off.

611
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: It just took off, like he called me too short

612
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 5: in front of him and they were like that that's it,

613
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 5: and he said it kind of cool, like too so

614
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 5: it put a little swag on.

615
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: It, and I really got some swag.

616
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 5: And then I started rapping. I started rapping. I'm like,

617
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 5: I'm too short. Was it was initially sir too short?

618
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh. I.

619
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 5: I went to the mall one day. I got me

620
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 5: a hat. It was a black hat with gold letters.

621
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 5: It said sir too short. And when he got the jacket,

622
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 5: the match with the too short, it's an international on

623
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 5: this sleeve and player on that sleeve, and I was

624
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: instantly too short.

625
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: At the end.

626
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: That homeless man single handedly put you in the direction

627
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: of being too We.

628
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 5: Killed the joke that day.

629
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: It was no, it was never the joke was over

630
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: from that day on International Superstar. All Right, we're gonna

631
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna take quick break because we have a lot

632
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: more to talk about, uh, and we'll be right back

633
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: with too Short, Too Short.

634
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, we are back, and we have too Short.

635
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: He is talking to us about the good old day.

636
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: Is I like, I feel like I'm sitting here cheesing

637
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: because like you're a great storyteller.

638
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Short, Yeah, really good.

639
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Listen to you for hours. It's life, a great life

640
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I can tell.

641
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: I just want to ask a questions. So, and I

642
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: don't know if this is factual, but people say that

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: you're likely the only rappers who have recorded with both Tupac,

644
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: b I G and jay Z. I mean, I just

645
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: want to have a story to the greatness of your

646
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: ability mixing with their ability. Just something.

647
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: Well, I know there's there's a combination of artists. There's

648
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: a lot of artists who have a combination of you know,

649
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: two of the three or whatever. But no, I've been

650
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 5: on I was on two Biggie albums and two jay

651
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: Z albums, so oh, I don't think anybody's done that.

652
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: And then also, you know, during the during the so

653
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 5: called East Coast West Coast Beef and all that stuff.

654
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: I was neutral. I was kind of like I lived

655
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 5: in Atlanta at the time, and you couldn't bring that

656
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: to me, Like it just it wasn't I was not

657
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: a part of that thing because had a lot of

658
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: friends in Atlanta, a lot of friends in New York,

659
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: a lot of friends in la and a lot of

660
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: friends at Death Row and a lot of friends at

661
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 5: Bad Boys.

662
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: So you were in every you were part of everything,

663
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: Like relationships.

664
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 5: I was really cool with Tupac, Snoop Dogg and Shig Night.

665
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: I was really really cool with uh Notoris Big and

666
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 5: Puff Daddy and BIG's crew. And it was just a

667
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: thing like if you were positioned properly at the time,

668
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: that thing was between them and other people started going back.

669
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: Ride with Tupac man, I ride with Big. I'm the

670
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 5: East Coast on West Coast. But if you were positioned properly,

671
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 5: like I was with the bosses and you know, as

672
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 5: well as with the artists, and like, right, I don't

673
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 5: think I'm not in your politics. I'm from I'm I'm

674
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: from Oakland. We have it right, and we byry We're

675
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 5: not East or West Bay. That's how we played it.

676
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: How was what What's I mean? Do you have a

677
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: story from two backed Share that was like special or

678
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean these are legends obviously to all of us

679
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: sitting here listening.

680
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 5: I'm older than all these guys. I'm the big homie.

681
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: Like I'm like platinum millions of records. So before any

682
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: of these guys get in.

683
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: The game, oh shit, So you know I didn't know

684
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: that before.

685
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 5: Jay Z, before Big, before Snoop and Park, I'm platinum

686
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: out there already. These guys literally grew up listening to

687
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: two Short like literally, so you were.

688
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: Like the godfather to them. As they were coming up.

689
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: They looked up to you and me as an artist,

690
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: I can't.

691
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I had the success, but Tupac was

692
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: really good friends with people that I worked with. I

693
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: worked with a guitar player named Shorty B. He also

694
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 5: worked with Digital Underground. Okay, I worked with a keyboard

695
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: player named pee Wee and he also worked with Digital Underground.

696
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: So Digital Underground is a very funky band that made

697
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: the Humpty Dance and songs like that, and the leader

698
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 5: of the band was a musician, he was a keyboard player,

699
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: and we did a lot of stuff together. Are clicks

700
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: were really close. I knew the management. Excuse me, I

701
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: knew the DJ knew you know, we were close. You

702
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: can go back and look at a DVD. It sounds

703
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 5: funny to save it.

704
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: I know, I know.

705
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 5: It's like I did a thing called short Dogs in

706
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: the House, named after one of my albums. We used

707
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: to always have like a little video thing to go

708
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 5: concert or whatever to go with the album. And I

709
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 5: didn't notice it two years later. But Tupac's like a

710
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: little guy in the background, just like dancing and kicking,

711
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: and he's you know, shot g is the leader of

712
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: digit Underground. He was hosting my party. So he's going

713
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: around a microphone interviewing people. And Tupac was like, you know,

714
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 5: he's a little homie and we were always close.

715
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Like that, So wait, how can we see this?

716
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: How can I see this called short Dogs in the House?

717
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: Probably you or something like that.

718
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I have to see this.

719
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: So Tupac would come around. He'd be around at times

720
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 5: before he was really really famous. He'd be around because

721
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 5: he used to hang out with Richie rich which is

722
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 5: another one of my homies, and Richie rich was like

723
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: his kind of Oakland mentor so to speak. Like his

724
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: big homie from Oakland that took him around and you know,

725
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 5: and got him accepted. Because if you go back and

726
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 5: look at those videos, Brenda's got a baby and when

727
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 5: my homies called, Like the video when my Homies, that's

728
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: probably Tupac's first video before. That's he's in the car.

729
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: That's Richie Rich. That's Richie Rich's car. That's you know,

730
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: that's the that's the hommy. So Richie Rich is my

731
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: hommy homie, and Tupac will come around. He'd be like

732
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: the little hommy. You know, I'm Raisy. I'm like short dog.

733
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: So I can't. I can't really Tupacs every time he

734
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: ever appeared on the song it was the ship. So

735
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 5: I'm a fan from day one. Brenda's got a baby.

736
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: He's very prolific.

737
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: He's a young cat, and he's saying these things that

738
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: are big, big things to say, you know, I'm talking

739
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: about teenage pregnancy. And then he does interviews, and in

740
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 5: his interviews he's a voice. He's like really speaking on

741
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: unjust thinks. Like from the start. So I'm admirer and

742
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: admirer of his from the start, but when he comes around,

743
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: I can't tell him.

744
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: That he's like one of the greatest poets. Sound like

745
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: we're knocking out.

746
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, what's up, homie?

747
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: You know.

748
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: So we had that kind of relationship where we ended

749
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: up on a few songs together because we hung out

750
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: in the same circles and we get around each other.

751
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: We would never He's one of those guys that I

752
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: I do it with Snoop too. When I hang around

753
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: those kind of guys, I kind of fade away because

754
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: they're so fucking popular and so famous and so magnetic

755
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 5: that they get all the attention, and I love it

756
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: because I'm I never wanted to be famous, So when

757
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 5: I get around those real famous guys, I kind of like, just.

758
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: You're pretty famous. So I have all the hard time

759
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: with this, I know, but.

760
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 5: I didn't want to be meaning I don't want to

761
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 5: be face recognized.

762
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: You just focus, you just kind of pull back.

763
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: So I get around guys like that and I just

764
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 5: take it off. I'm cool with that. So it was

765
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: it was that kind of thing. We'd all get around

766
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: each other, and I wouldn't I wouldn't try to be

767
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 5: the loud guy in the room right or the or

768
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 5: the you know, the one with all the glow So

769
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: and those guys, those guys like Tupac would take over

770
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 5: a room. If he came in the room, he'd take

771
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 5: over big, same thing with big.

772
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: They just right. Yeah, I didn't know either of them.

773
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: And jay Z's on the quiet side. He doesn't. He

774
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: doesn't really do a lot of loud ship talking.

775
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: I met him and he seemed really really quiet and mellow.

776
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: He's very calculated, very calculated.

777
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: He's observing the room.

778
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 5: But when they when they depict Tupac in movies, it

779
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: kind of bothers me because I saw him quite often

780
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 5: in my life, and he never was the same person twice. Like,

781
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: he never was. He wasn't like I probably sounding like

782
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: that once or twice maybe a lot of times he'd

783
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: come up and he'd be very introspective or in an

784
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 5: intelligent mood, or he'd be militant, or he'd be you know, gangster,

785
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 5: or he'd just be quiet. He'd be smoking a cigarette,

786
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 5: drinks and here, and like, he was never this person because.

787
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: Oh I know how Tupac is, like you can, I don't,

788
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: because it was just always different.

789
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: He was a very multi faceted person. Yeah, listen to

790
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: his music. One minute, he's saying, oh, you know, it's

791
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: keep my sisters up, hold your head up next to

792
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: me and saying, bitch stuck my dick.

793
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: The next minute he's saying, I fucked your bitch, you

794
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: fat motherfucker.

795
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 5: I saw Tupac the night he got shot in Vegas,

796
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: and uh, I mean, we're always at the fire he

797
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: went to the fight.

798
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay. Uh.

799
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 5: We stayed at that same hotel, the Luxor, and they

800
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: were they had probably gotten to the altercation at the

801
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 5: thing and went back to the hotel and we bumped

802
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: into them on their way to the club. They said

803
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: they had to they weren't wearing the clothes that they

804
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: got shot, and they were wearing different clothes, and they said,

805
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 5: we're gonna go about Sugarhouse changed and then go to

806
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: the party. Come to come up to the clubs. You know,

807
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 5: he's like, it's gonna be open, like everybody getting on

808
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: the mic tonight. So you know, he figured me one

809
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 5: of those nights where DJ spending different people's tracks and

810
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: we all rock at the crowd and it's not the

811
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 5: club wasn't that big and it was just probably it

812
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: would have been the ship. Oh my god, it never happened.

813
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that's fucking epic. God, yeah, you were there. I

814
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 2: mean you were there are hours before this last time

815
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: been probably about them.

816
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: Not two hours later we heard.

817
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: About the shooting. Oh my god. And and not to

818
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, harp, but I mean, I know that moment

819
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: changed the world for everybody. And obviously what's going on

820
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: today we'll get into, but that that moment when you

821
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: heard where were you when you heard it? Were you

822
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: in the club?

823
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 5: Were you We were on our way to the club,

824
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 5: and there were run around pretty quick, and and even

825
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 5: the crime scenees, you know, like it was all that

826
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 5: whole intersection.

827
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: It was a big deal.

828
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 5: But but it was you know, there was there was

829
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 5: a buzz in the air that night that that it

830
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: was going to be some friction, because really, I would

831
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: I'm wondering, like, was it from the time of the

832
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: fight until the time of shooting. It could have been

833
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: like two three hours or something somewhere in there, and

834
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: it was in the air. It was like death row

835
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: got into it with some cribs and blah blah blah.

836
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: So it was people who were saying, it's probably gonna

837
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: be a thing at the club.

838
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh, so you you knew there was something going to

839
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: have it, but nobody back to this right. It was

840
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: just like and I mean we're still going to the club. Wow.

841
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: You know.

842
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: My old theory back then was like you go to

843
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: a place where you think it might be some violence.

844
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, it's gonna be bound people. The bullet

845
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 5: ain't gonna hit me.

846
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Wow. That was my theory. Oh well, let me let

847
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: me pivot here for a second. Uh. You know, I

848
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: you know, you've been a friend, You've showed up for us,

849
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: and you've uh performed for us when you didn't have to,

850
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, and and we're very generous, you know. And

851
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: I think that now the last week, what we've all

852
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: been through with you know, George Floyd and Black Lives Matter,

853
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: you know, obviously has changed the world. You know, I

854
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: hope for the better. And uh and I hope a

855
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: lot of people uh open their eyes you know to

856
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: things that you know, we're artists, we were talking about

857
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: it before. You know, as artists, you know, you grow

858
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: up and you don't see the things that maybe other people,

859
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: how other people treat each other. Because we work with everybody.

860
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: You know, whether you're black, white, purple, green, female, male, gay, straight,

861
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's at least the way I was

862
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: raised and grew up in the arts. But today, you know,

863
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: but that's not the world everywhere else you were telling me,

864
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, you were just saying, how that's one percent,

865
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, of LA is.

866
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 5: A different a different thing when you specifically, specifically talking

867
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: about Hollywood and being on video sets and TV sets

868
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 5: and movie sets and in the offices that running production companies,

869
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 5: and it's it's very, very diverse in Hollywood and all

870
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 5: aspects of from the highest to the lows, as far

871
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 5: as directors and producers and all the casting directors.

872
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: You never know, right, it doesn't. But but then you

873
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: go outside the rest of the country and the world

874
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: and that doesn't exist. And so now here we are today,

875
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: you know, with the protests going on, and I think,

876
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, I don't even know, if not how the

877
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: numbers compare it to other big but to me, it

878
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: feels like the world is gonna have to wake up, right,

879
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna have to wake up and and

880
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: it make change.

881
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 5: We're gonna keep doing the same thing, and if we

882
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 5: don't do something different, it's gonna be the same thing.

883
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: And the same thing is it always comes to a

884
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: point where we go, oh my god, let's discuss this, right,

885
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: and we come with all these solutions, and it just

886
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 5: seems yeah, it just you know, because this has been

887
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 5: serious for about this has been a serious, Okay, we'll

888
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 5: fix it for about ten plus years, like seriously, Like

889
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 5: cops are unjustly choking people out. That's been a thing. Yeah,

890
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 5: and it doesn't seem to go away, like it's just

891
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 5: and to me, it's like a cycle. Yeah to me,

892
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: you know, I'm I'm fifty four, and I came up

893
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 5: at a time where in Oakland, California, where as young

894
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 5: black man, we got harassed, Like harassment was not unjust.

895
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: It was the norm, you know what I mean. It

896
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: was like it's not it's not like oh man, I

897
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 5: just got handcuffed on the way over hears and somebody

898
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: be like, man, I got a handcuff yesterday, like you know,

899
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 5: like it was normal.

900
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: Wow.

901
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: And then you know in recent years when in New

902
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 5: York with the stopping frisk it's it didn't have to

903
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: have a name. It was always stopping frisk. It was

904
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 5: always a fear of when you get when you're in

905
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: your car and you get pulled over, you have to

906
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 5: get out the car to get searched, and it's always

907
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 5: that fear while they're searching your car, like I there's

908
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 5: nothing in my car. But I've heard from so many

909
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 5: people that they come out with this bag and go, hey,

910
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 5: what's this and you're like, it's not mine. Yeah, this

911
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: shit happens. It's just you have this fear of You

912
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: don't have fear of white people, you don't have fear

913
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 5: of society, you have fear of police, right, And it's like,

914
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: this guy could fuck my day up.

915
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you something. It's you know,

916
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: growing up in the arts like you and and being

917
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: in such a diverse universe my whole life. You know,

918
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: it exists. You know that the world, some of the

919
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: world is stuck in a time warp. And I'm glad

920
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: that that we're gonna wake up the world that is

921
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: still sleeping. What I think that shocked me, even somebody

922
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: who's forty nine years old and has been around for

923
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: a long time, When that police officer sat on his

924
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: neck for eight plus minutes, I don't I can't even

925
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: comprehend that. Mentally, I can't even get my I still

926
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: think about it. I listened to the words that he

927
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: was saying, Wow, how the fuck could this happen?

928
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: He got it out pretty clear. I can't breathe right right,

929
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: I can't breathe.

930
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Along with a bunch of other people that were standing

931
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: in a position telling him that something is happening and

932
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: to stop and it's the video is horrific. And I

933
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: want to know that when when you were a child,

934
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: did your mom ever have to have those conversations with you?

935
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Well?

936
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 5: Is it thing that's sort of like in the context

937
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: of the Willie Lynch letter, whatever the you know, the

938
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: Willy Lynch the thing is where you don't have to

939
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 5: be the slave. You don't have to discipline them. You

940
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 5: just have to convince his mother that if you don't

941
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 5: control him, I'm going to kill him. So if my

942
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: mother didn't have to say, these are the rules of

943
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: you as a little black kid going out in the world.

944
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: This is what you do.

945
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 5: Like the fear is instilled from day one. It's like,

946
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: if you know it's this this fear like like from

947
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: I can remember from the seventies, been a little kid

948
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: like you. The fucking police like you. They come down

949
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: to block and you don't go hot miss to officer.

950
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: You yeah, you like, that's almost like that's definite enemy,

951
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: that's the enemy.

952
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: But that that and that and that's that's disgusting to me,

953
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: that that's how it is. That one and I and

954
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: I think that this, you know, with what's going on,

955
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: I think even somebody like myself, who has been isolated

956
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: in a very open world, uh now is starting to

957
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: see things that I didn't even see the conversation. Even

958
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: for me, hearing things like this, it's just it's just

959
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: disgusting on every level and out. And I'm happy the

960
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: world is standing up so.

961
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: That the argument about the police and their authority and

962
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 5: abusing it has a lot of layers. And I think

963
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 5: that's something very important, is that a lot of the

964
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 5: reason why the police are needed in high crime areas

965
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: and inner cities is because of conditions that were created,

966
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: not things that just happen, Like you take away opportunities

967
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 5: or you don't even give opportunities, and this is what you.

968
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: Get, zero opportunity, Like this is what is there's no opportunity.

969
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 5: If you go to send if you're going to send

970
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 5: a kid the kindergarten and not teach him, shit, what

971
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 5: do you think he's going to be in fifteen. You know,

972
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, what then are you gonna give? You're

973
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: gonna get nothing in return. So it's not it's not

974
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: the people by a whole, it's it's definitely the system.

975
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 5: It's definitely that you're not giving a certain a certain

976
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: group of people a chance, and then you don't want

977
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 5: to give them a chance because you're biased against him

978
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: because of race or color or religion or something. And

979
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: then you this goes. This is not just black white

980
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: in America. This is every religion dispute, every race or

981
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 5: neighboring country dispute, all over the world. It's the same

982
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 5: fucking idiots it everywhere when you get to the root

983
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: of it, like why do you hate your next door neighborhood?

984
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 5: Like it's no fucking.

985
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Reason, right, there is no reason.

986
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: Well, I I really, you know, having watched you know,

987
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm an optimist. I've always been. Some people are pessimist,

988
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: but I'm an optimist. And I feel like this is

989
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: something that was long overdue and and and I do

990
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: pray and hope and will fight for you know that change.

991
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: So and I don't mean it just in some politically

992
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: correct bullshit, because you know me and you know my

993
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: work and what I've done, and I just I just

994
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: think that other people have to, you know, change. I

995
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: mean the world has to change. And there are people

996
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: who you know, you know, have changed for decades, but

997
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: there are too many people that are stuck in their ways.

998
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: And I really hope the Black Lives Matter movement, the protesting,

999
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: the standing up, the blocking off streets, the education that

1000
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: I think people that were so uneducated because they lived

1001
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: in a bubble maybe and I pray that this will

1002
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: move the thinking forward and change.

1003
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean real change, not just well short,

1004
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: you're you're a mentor at Youth Uprising.

1005
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: I was for a while.

1006
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: And what did that entail when you were doing that?

1007
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 5: There was there is a place Oakland call Youth Uprising

1008
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 5: that was built in the neighborhood in the you know,

1009
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 5: right next to a high school. And it was just

1010
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 5: so that kids, I think it was the ages were

1011
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 5: like twelve to eighteen nineteen somewhere like that. Yeah, I

1012
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 5: can't remember the age group now, but they were allowed

1013
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 5: to come there and participate in a lot of things.

1014
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: You know a lot of cities have this, but of course,

1015
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 5: but I like that place because it focused on a

1016
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 5: lot of things artistic. It was had a lot to

1017
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: do with music and dance, and so you felt like you.

1018
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: Were a part of something instead of after school, you know,

1019
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you're going and getting into trouble. You had a place

1020
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: where you could go and focus on music or I

1021
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: was just.

1022
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 5: You know, I just wanted to be a part of

1023
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: the solution. And not so much as I looked into.

1024
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: What they do.

1025
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 5: Like a lot of people people go get these grants

1026
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 5: and all this stuff and they do it in the

1027
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: name of the kids, and we're gonna have these programs

1028
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: and stuff. But they to me, I looked at a

1029
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 5: lot of stuff and I'm like, you're not really impacting

1030
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: the kids firsthand. So I wanted to be a part

1031
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 5: of something where I interacted with them. I literally made

1032
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: music with them. I literally, you know, they put on

1033
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 5: shows and I even you know, took some of them

1034
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 5: out to do shows to perform on stage with me.

1035
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

1036
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 5: And if you look and eat for these videos, most

1037
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: of those kids that do the dance and I'm from

1038
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: youth up rising, like wow, like we you know a

1039
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: lot of them, you know, grew up into society to

1040
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 5: do stuff with their talents that they learned at Youth

1041
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: up Rising so it continues to this day, and I

1042
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 5: applaud all places like that that, you know, just give

1043
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 5: inner city kids opportunity to play sports, to make music,

1044
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 5: to do something other than just go home and do nothing,

1045
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 5: like you know. And I had the one thing that

1046
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: touched me at Youth Theft Riising that I never forget

1047
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: is a kid, A little kid asked me did I

1048
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 5: know where he could buy a gun? And you know,

1049
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 5: I didn't want to go tell on him or scold him,

1050
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 5: so I asked him why, Like, we't need a gun.

1051
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 5: He was like, well, I live on such and such street,

1052
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 5: and he said the guys that I got to walk

1053
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 5: past on my way home are enemies with the guys

1054
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 5: that I live by. And he's like, the guys that

1055
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 5: I live by don't like me because I don't want

1056
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: to be a part of what they're doing. He's like,

1057
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 5: so it's dangerous to go home, like just from school

1058
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 5: to home. He's uh, is playing with his life. Wow,

1059
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: And he's like, I just need a gun to get home.

1060
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: And what what did?

1061
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: What do you even say to something like that?

1062
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: So what you thought Uprising would do is Youth Uprising

1063
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 5: had guys that worked there who were you know, X

1064
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 5: street guys, and these guys would find out about situations

1065
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: like that and they would go talk to all parties involved.

1066
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: They will talk to the guys who are both the

1067
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: enemy side, and they say, look, you guys are enemies.

1068
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 5: I ain't trying to get in your business. It's done

1069
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 5: what you're doing. Because a little guy who's got to

1070
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 5: walk home from school every day, he don't want to

1071
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 5: be your enemy. Can you guys not fuck with him?

1072
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 4: And it weren' sometimes sometimes and it works and they go, okay, we.

1073
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 5: Seen a little honey, you thought he was with them,

1074
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 5: and you get it all clarified and just leave alone.

1075
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 5: And he wants to be a good kid. And a

1076
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: lot of times bad kids will allow the good kid

1077
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 5: to be good. They'll allow you to play sports, they

1078
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 5: will allow you to be excelling academics, the like, he's

1079
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 5: not one of us. Take care of him. He might

1080
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 5: make it out of here. They understand.

1081
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to say, because we're basically out

1082
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: of time, I want to I want to know anything

1083
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: that you have coming up that I need to know about,

1084
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: because I know you do.

1085
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 5: Do you ever want to hear some good music.

1086
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: Always always too short, drop it, go to Spotify.

1087
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Speaker 5: I do a weekly playlist. It's called Trunk Tuesdays Drunk

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Speaker 5: Tuesday like this, and I keep it like one hundred

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Speaker 5: songs in rotation. A lot of it is new, too

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Speaker 5: short stuff, a lot of it's just stuff. It's the stuff,

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Speaker 5: you know, the trunck is. You know, I got woofers

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Speaker 5: in the trunk of my car and it's all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's the ship that I ride too. So I've been

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Speaker 5: introducing a lot of my new music on There's something

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Speaker 5: I just started probably like a month ago, so just

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Speaker 5: now growing it. Trunk Tuesday is on Spotify, and it's

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Speaker 5: about new artists. I'm working with new artists that I'm supporting,

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Speaker 5: and I'm just trying to help, just help the industry,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 2: So so everybody listening on this podcast, all hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: of you, go to Trunk Tuesdays at Spotify. I'm not

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Speaker 2: playing because this is one of the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Artists and I'm gonna hustle my way into two shorts

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Speaker 1: Trunk Tuesday playlists. All right, dude, sure, it was truly

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on. We're so grateful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for everything.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Davie.

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Speaker 2: Always takes coming through all right, Thanks guys,