Speaker 1: How the fact did they write that overnight. That's an amendment.
Speaker 1: I've never read that, not an a amendment. That is
Speaker 1: your amendment, dude. Everyone hated me so much. I mean
Speaker 1: I was out of control. That is the wildest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever read. Holy, I see another loophole to a
Speaker 1: loophole somewhere. I mean, I just dude, you guys just
Speaker 1: saw my brain explode on here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 3: I'm Julian Edelman, and there Jack and Kyler, and we're
Speaker 3: on a mission to find the greatest game of all time.
Speaker 3: And on today's episode, we are covering Devil's versus Rangers
Speaker 3: Game three of the two thousand and eight Eastern Conference
Speaker 3: Quarterfinals aka the Averrul Game, with actor and NHL legend
Speaker 3: the Avery rule maker, Sean Avery, and we get into
Speaker 3: talking the origins of this infamous Avery rule.
Speaker 1: So like, I was so far up this guy's ass
Speaker 1: that he wanted me death, he would not have shed
Speaker 1: a tear.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, Brett Hole story.
Speaker 1: My buddies had left these pot brownies in the fridge
Speaker 1: and he ate three of them, just like threats.
Speaker 2: In the walking closet.
Speaker 1: He's been doing snow Angels since like four in the morning,
Speaker 1: and then acting in the Christopher Nolan movie A Nolan said,
Speaker 1: there's no cell phones generally, I black out.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like like playing for Belichick. Yes,
Speaker 3: a direct parallel and on today's Chill Zone presented by
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Speaker 3: say the cold line to answer some of those voicemails.
Speaker 3: You gotta stick around for it, So let's go, let's go.
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Speaker 1: April thirteen, two thousand and eight, Madison Square. I got
Speaker 1: New York, New York tied one to one. The New
Speaker 1: York Rangers have a two man advantage. Call it tactics,
Speaker 1: call it antics, call it effectively. In the end, I'll
Speaker 1: never see anything like this.
Speaker 2: This is the Avery rule game. Welcome to Games with
Speaker 2: Names Today.
Speaker 3: We are looking at Devils versus Rangers, game three of
Speaker 3: the two thousand and eight Eastern Conference Final quarterfinals, that
Speaker 3: Avery rule game with the one and only Sean Avery.
Speaker 2: Sean in one sentence, why this game?
Speaker 1: I went to bed, I woke up in the morning
Speaker 1: and they had changed the rule.
Speaker 2: Is this the greatest game of all time. It's my
Speaker 2: greatest game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if I could, maybe, if I may, if
Speaker 1: I may, Yes, I put a I put a hell
Speaker 1: of a game on the board that night. I mean
Speaker 1: they yeah, wild wild, the whole thing is fucking wild.
Speaker 2: It is it is.
Speaker 3: Let's jump into what's what's life looking like these days
Speaker 3: for you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Boy, these days? You know, I was thinking about that
Speaker 1: this morning. Life is quite beautiful. Yeah, it's a good,
Speaker 1: it's a good. I just did a I'm an actor now,
Speaker 1: I guess I can say. You know, four years ago,
Speaker 1: i'd say I'm an actor, But are you really an actor?
Speaker 1: You know, like actors say they're actors. But if you're
Speaker 1: not a working actor, you're not an actor. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's my You're not a football player unless you're on
Speaker 1: a football team.
Speaker 2: I'm an aspiring actor.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: By the way, you're airwaves right now. I mean you
Speaker 1: dominate commercial land on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Thursday. Well,
Speaker 1: there's commercial actors. There are commercial actors. I would rather
Speaker 1: not be a commercial actor. What kind of actor are you, Sean?
Speaker 1: I'm a Thespian. I'm a Thespian. Although I just did
Speaker 1: Happy Gilmour too. So how is that?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 1: I mean listen, Sandler is is like God, he really is,
Speaker 1: you know, to anybody. Yeah, they have a bar on set.
Speaker 1: They they are not woke. They are woke no more.
Speaker 1: I will say that movie is going to be funny
Speaker 1: and they're going hard. They're going hard, and everyone's in it.
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny. Yeah, Kelsey, Kelsey, did you see
Speaker 1: him on set? I saw Bad Bunny. He's shorter than
Speaker 1: that big short, not that big. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: it was him. Yeah, I mean I had to ask.
Speaker 1: It was like a crossover in a fitting, and I
Speaker 1: said I could tell he was somebody. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got swaged to him. But when they told me
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny, I was like, wow, he plays a well
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he plays yeah. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: really so, but Sandler's the man. I mean, that guy's
Speaker 1: been making movies on his own schedule about things that
Speaker 1: he was that he wants to to make for like
Speaker 1: twenty five years.
Speaker 2: That's the dream. That is the dream.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know I think that that's like a
Speaker 1: one off. Is am I a comedic actor? You know,
Speaker 1: maybe at some point, but right now I'm a guy
Speaker 1: if you give me a gun. Although I play a
Speaker 1: weatherman and Oppenheimer, but I'm a soldier, so that's my niche.
Speaker 2: Right now, you're so you're type castid as a soldier.
Speaker 1: I like to play soldiers CIA FBI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now do you want like when when when you're
Speaker 3: taking a role like this, when you're the weather man
Speaker 3: in Oppenheimer, which freaking see Sean and Oppenheimer and give
Speaker 3: people some context. Sean lives in my daughter's neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, your daughter Lily takes care of my son.
Speaker 1: Now metaphorically, you know, they watch out for each other
Speaker 1: and watches out for Nash.
Speaker 3: And and Sean's kind of like the neighborhood watch. So
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sitting here the first time. I'm walking
Speaker 3: up the street one day with my partner and we're
Speaker 3: you know, we're having a discussion. I had to take
Speaker 3: a phone call. Is the first time ever I never
Speaker 3: met Sean. And this guy is sitting on a stoop
Speaker 3: of this this.
Speaker 1: Street, not even my house, it's not even his house,
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, you you don't.
Speaker 2: Work out or something or I don't know what what
Speaker 2: did you say?
Speaker 1: I said, Uh, I think I asked you if you've
Speaker 1: stopped working out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes, you stop working out? I look over.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? And he goes,
Speaker 3: you're looking a little out of shape or something. I'm like,
Speaker 3: who the fuck are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, would you say I'm Sean Avery?
Speaker 1: I think I said, hey, Julian, I know who you are.
Speaker 1: I'm Sean Avery. He used to play hockey. But I
Speaker 1: knew your buddy. Yeah, I knew the guy you were with, right,
Speaker 1: so that kind of yeah, I neighborhood watch. I was,
Speaker 1: I'm just taking a keeping an eye out on the street, really.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And then we introduced each other, and we've seen each
Speaker 3: other around the block a bunch because it's a cool
Speaker 3: little street that has neighborhood parties and Halloween's fun yea,
Speaker 3: and uh fucking Sean is just a funny guy. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden one day I look and
Speaker 3: I look at TMZ.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there. I was like, is that fucking
Speaker 1: right by my daughter street?
Speaker 3: And Sean, I'm like, neighborhood watch patrol on the goddamn streets.
Speaker 2: Had to get some guy out of what is the
Speaker 2: red zone. Yeah, they're in a red zone. You know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you quickly, I can. I can make this quick.
Speaker 1: When I got traded from the Detroit Red Wings to
Speaker 1: la Growing up, my parents loved Crosby Stills, Nash and Young,
Speaker 1: and when I got traded l A, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live in Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 2: Like fuck it.
Speaker 1: I had no idea where Laurel Canyon was in relation
Speaker 1: to Staples Center El Segundo, which is where the practice
Speaker 1: rink was. So I moved to Laurel Canyon and did
Speaker 1: a reverse commute. Everyone thought I was crazy, But Laurel
Speaker 1: Canyon is is is. It's its own thing, it's its
Speaker 1: own world, it's its own vibe for the last hundred years.
Speaker 1: When I got traded to New York and then came
Speaker 1: back pandemic, it was like, we got to go to
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon. So yeah, that's sort of the I have
Speaker 1: a long history with the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Hey, the neighborhood appreciates the neighbor.
Speaker 1: It's so funny getting back, how do you so when
Speaker 1: you're when you're watching or when you're taking a role
Speaker 1: as your soldier FBI, CIA or whether man, how do
Speaker 1: you prepare for these things?
Speaker 3: Are you are you watching? Are you doing ride alongs?
Speaker 3: Are you doing research? What's your preparation process for your acting?
Speaker 1: I guess it's it's different depending on who you're working with.
Speaker 1: Like I've done two Christopher Nolan movies. I did Tenant
Speaker 1: and then I did Oppenheimer. You know Tenant, which is
Speaker 1: an unbelievable movie that you need to watch eight times,
Speaker 1: maybe sixteen times to try and understand like what's actually happening.
Speaker 1: And you don't get to read anything really before the
Speaker 1: script is on Super Super Lockdown. You get to read
Speaker 1: it once, you know, prior to the job, and then
Speaker 1: you get your sides the night before your scenes. Usually,
Speaker 1: so with Nolan, you don't really know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Like on Oppenheimer, I had no idea what I was
Speaker 1: doing because they also give you dummy sides, So when
Speaker 1: you audition, they don't give you the sides the scene
Speaker 1: that you're actually going to play in the movie. They
Speaker 1: give you something similar from a different movie, So you
Speaker 1: have no idea what's happening. You can't really figure out.
Speaker 1: You got a general idea, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't yet and This is like the evolution of
Speaker 1: you know, starting off your career, your first couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: I haven't got something that is a lot of reps yet.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a regular on a TV show.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of movies now, but you know,
Speaker 1: movies are like two three weeks and then you're out.
Speaker 1: So hopefully that comes, you know, I'd like to, but
Speaker 1: I want to also play like a a horticulturist, A
Speaker 1: what like a guy that knows plants? You know, I
Speaker 1: want to do weird shit A plant guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: See he brought that in because I was showing him
Speaker 3: my plants. Yeah, really, I'm a plant guy. I didn't
Speaker 3: I don't know the scientific term for and by the way,
Speaker 3: you don't need.
Speaker 1: To, but it's a good what is that word? You're
Speaker 1: gonna make me say it again? I got it out once?
Speaker 1: Pretty good horticulturalist. And now where'd you get that word?
Speaker 1: Would you pull that from?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Listen, I do these fucking auditions and all these words
Speaker 1: I had to audition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one audition once. Yeah, I had to
Speaker 3: do a sex scene with the guy over zoom.
Speaker 1: First audition ever, Oh wow, Like for real. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't get in the zone.
Speaker 1: That's the stupid thing anybody has ever done, made anyone do?
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a six scene. It was like I
Speaker 3: was like with a female, but the guy. It was
Speaker 3: a guy. I'm the first time one ever doing this
Speaker 3: stuff and they're put me in this situation. Clearly didn't
Speaker 3: get the role. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, who got it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have a list in my garage of people that
Speaker 1: have gotten roles that I should have got that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell them one day.
Speaker 2: You remember that role? Who's on that list?
Speaker 1: He's sort of like a good looking blonde hair it's
Speaker 1: like a California guy. What the hell is his name?
Speaker 1: He was in White Lotus not it'll come to me,
Speaker 1: But you know there's a list. Yeah, you didn't have
Speaker 1: a list in college. Never, No, Sean, I didn't. What
Speaker 1: is it happy? Billy?
Speaker 2: Does he have a list? Yeah? And Billy does Billy.
Speaker 2: Steve Buscemi he had the Adam called him and I'm
Speaker 2: glad I called that guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's specific movies I've done. I did a movie
Speaker 1: called Amsterdam with David o' russell directed, and I have
Speaker 1: like a I have a walk and talk with Christian Bale,
Speaker 1: and then I have to utter a racial slur to
Speaker 1: Chris Rock. And I got the sides that morning because
Speaker 1: of Russell's notorious he kind of rewrites scenes as he goes.
Speaker 2: I'm not at that point.
Speaker 1: I was not a seasoned enough actor to get sides
Speaker 1: the same day. Okay, now I could, I could, I could,
Speaker 1: just I could get it. So that movie, if you
Speaker 1: go and watch it, that was a full day. I
Speaker 1: have no recollection of the day whatsoever. I think like
Speaker 1: I blacked out probably twenty minutes in. I didn't know
Speaker 1: any of my lines. Christian Bale. Christian Bale, Okay, he
Speaker 1: didn't know who I was. He had no idea who
Speaker 1: I was. He didn't know that I used to play
Speaker 1: for the Rangers or any of this shit. He thought
Speaker 1: I was an actor. That fucking guy walked me through
Speaker 1: that day just at lunch, ran my lines with me.
Speaker 1: I had no idea where I was or what I
Speaker 1: was saying. It was the worst experience ever. And my
Speaker 1: buddy was a producer and he got me the audition
Speaker 1: and and the whole thing. I thought it was over.
Speaker 1: I thought it was done. So there's times that I've
Speaker 1: had where like I don't even remember certain days because dude,
Speaker 1: it's not like putting a helmet on and like we
Speaker 1: can just do that in our sleep. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: so fucking high stakes and stressful.
Speaker 3: I think, well, we used to do that in that environment.
Speaker 3: But it's something we're comfortable and we've been doing our
Speaker 3: whole life. You're jumping in and you're a rookie in
Speaker 3: this world. Yeah, so it's different. Which Christian Bale taking
Speaker 3: the time out of his day to work with a
Speaker 3: new actor who doesn't know that's just straight leaders shit.
Speaker 2: Be fucking cool.
Speaker 3: You know, Like there's a lot of guys I'm sure
Speaker 3: that don't do that but that, but.
Speaker 2: You hear the cool stories about Christian Bale.
Speaker 1: The big boys, the big boys, just like you know,
Speaker 1: you or Tom or whoever it was, at what point
Speaker 1: on what team these guys like Bail knows, Dude, I
Speaker 1: don't want this kid to suffer.
Speaker 2: I want to get out of here.
Speaker 1: Let's get a great scene, let's win and get the
Speaker 1: fuck home.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So he did everything.
Speaker 1: I mean I've I at one point during a take,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, ohly, fuck Sean. I said
Speaker 1: that to myself and I could see you in the
Speaker 1: corner of my eye. Bail was literally like at this point,
Speaker 1: kind of like on the ground laughing, and all I heard.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if David o'russell is an incredible director,
Speaker 1: but he's had some savage, savage moments on the internet.
Speaker 1: He's yelled at actors before in a legendary way. And
Speaker 1: all I could hear was him from somewhere behind video village, Sean,
Speaker 1: just keep talking, say anything, just keep talking. And at
Speaker 1: that point I realized, yeah, because there's more cameras. So
Speaker 1: even if I keep talking, I don't bails on the
Speaker 1: on the ground laughing right now. Now I really ruin
Speaker 1: the scene. They can't get anything from him. So it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Pete Burg. Pete put me in
Speaker 1: my first movie, and I think he knew what I
Speaker 1: was doing, because like it was Patriots Day with Wahlberg
Speaker 1: and I and I mean my mind exploded. There's two
Speaker 1: hundred people on set, they go action, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, holy fuck, you gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that.
Speaker 3: I remember the first day I did TV, and it's different,
Speaker 3: but it's it's similar because you're playing a personality and
Speaker 3: you have and you got to perform when the red
Speaker 3: light's on. Yep, and no one tea. There's no handbook,
Speaker 3: there's no nothing. You have to just belly up and
Speaker 3: be able to do it. And it was like very
Speaker 3: I had so much anxiety. It was like stepping out
Speaker 3: of my comfort zone so much. Yeah, that I know
Speaker 3: exactly what you're feeling. Which the biggest part of why
Speaker 3: I don't like to get into acting is because.
Speaker 2: The line remembering.
Speaker 3: And then I don't want to be the liability on
Speaker 3: set because you know, I don't want to waste people's time.
Speaker 3: And it's such a fucking team thing, you know, with
Speaker 3: the teamsters, the camera people, the producers of this guy.
Speaker 3: And you got some slapnick that doesn't know his fucking line.
Speaker 3: He's get nervous. So that I understand that anxiety you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me. It took me eight years to
Speaker 1: be able to do it. I swear to god, it
Speaker 1: took me eight years. I stopped playing and I don't
Speaker 1: even know twenty thirteen. For eight years, I just learned
Speaker 1: how to memorize lines. Yeah, like that's something you had
Speaker 1: to do. How many fucking routes do you have to
Speaker 1: run a lot? It just gets into that, like and
Speaker 1: now I feel in my head, I feel my brain
Speaker 1: is different, you know, I can feel like there's weight
Speaker 1: in different areas and it kind of feels good.
Speaker 3: You figure it out, You figure out like what to
Speaker 3: remember key things. Yeah, yeah, mean yeah, yeah, cheat, I
Speaker 3: can cheat now. Now you're from Canada, you grow up
Speaker 3: playing hockey. He went to school until you were sixteen,
Speaker 3: because the whole hockey thing, you guys leave school and
Speaker 3: are uneducated. And I played and hung out with a
Speaker 3: bunch of hockey guys. Where the fuck did this acting
Speaker 3: interest come from? Did you have acting interests as a
Speaker 3: kid or when you started playing?
Speaker 2: Where'd this come from?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: We always thought.
Speaker 1: I mean, my mom put me in a drama camp
Speaker 1: when I was six, and she said I lasted like
Speaker 1: half a day and she had to come and get me.
Speaker 1: And that was and I sort of vaguely remember it.
Speaker 1: I remember like the gymnasium the church area of Toronto
Speaker 1: that this camp was at. I had PTSD from it.
Speaker 1: And I always thought guys that act did in high
Speaker 1: school and stuff were kind of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: wimpie kids. Yeah, Thespians. Yeah, Thestipians were a little bit weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just fun. Bro. I didn't know them, I
Speaker 2: didn't hang with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you realize it's art, and what we
Speaker 1: did as athletes was art.
Speaker 3: It's just a little bit more not. According to Meryl Streep,
Speaker 3: oh really yeah, she said she called out football in
Speaker 3: UFC after getting an award one, saying, you know, most
Speaker 3: America likes to watch athletes and that's barbaric and stuff.
Speaker 3: They don't think that, you know, moving like a ballerino
Speaker 3: when someone's about to take your fucking head off his art.
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. It just has a one way beef
Speaker 2: with Meryl Streep and Ben Affleck. What did Ben do?
Speaker 3: Ben just was talking to sit on ESPN that the
Speaker 3: Patriots den receivers while I was there. Just squashed it.
Speaker 3: There's no real beef. I just talked about it on here.
Speaker 3: We had Casey on. We talked about it here.
Speaker 1: We talk about it Casey Casey like a Boston guys like.
Speaker 3: Whatever, fuck it? Well, what do you mean? Whatever it is?
Speaker 3: I would have it's more of a hype thing. Well,
Speaker 3: now I have a beef with Ben Affas right.
Speaker 1: Like that, and I'll be on a set he I'll
Speaker 1: be on one of his movies at some point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull him aside and go listen. I think
Speaker 1: we should address this whole Jewel situation like this right
Speaker 1: totally out of nowhere. He probably doesn't even know about it.
Speaker 1: Well he does, he will soon enough. I think they're
Speaker 1: making the Pete Rose movie, which I have already. Well,
Speaker 1: I will need soldiers, weathermen. Yeah, Pete baseball player.
Speaker 2: Charlie Hustle. Yeah, you should.
Speaker 1: You're gonna audition for Pete? No, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: think that should. Chris Pratt should do that. Or or Wahlberg.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It depends what age they have them. Wahlberg would be
Speaker 1: a great Pete Rose he if he yeah, the same
Speaker 1: body type two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Mark can look like a thirty five year old easy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. He's like almost he's he looks young.
Speaker 1: He looks great, its healthy, he does you know he
Speaker 1: got into the you gotta no so you did the act.
Speaker 2: I used to do. I used to do all the
Speaker 2: school junior high play. I read that somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to love doing I did Crazy Camp
Speaker 3: Bye Bye Birdie.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I would always I loved getting a laugh out
Speaker 3: of the audience right when I was a kid, so
Speaker 3: I would be terrible. I remember my lines, but i'd
Speaker 3: always improve a little something, and I just loved that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but hold on, I can let's just address
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have talked about it.
Speaker 1: I watched the Brady Roast, all right, I understand that's
Speaker 1: a blackout moment too. By the way, I'm sure some
Speaker 1: of those guys did not remember anything that they said
Speaker 1: when they got up there, like some of the athletes probably.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of guys looked like they were
Speaker 1: just not there. Yeah, like they had left their own bodies.
Speaker 1: You fucking nailed that. But you went and did a
Speaker 1: couple of nights. I did the Store Store. Yeah, that's acting,
Speaker 1: I mean improv you know. I think all these great
Speaker 1: actors have the ability to just kind of like any
Speaker 1: of the Tarantino stuff. Those guys are riffing that DiCaprio
Speaker 1: scene and once upon a time in Hollywood when he
Speaker 1: fucking rips the trailer apart. Yeah, those those lines weren't written. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're on stage doing your thing, Like there's a teleprompter.
Speaker 1: Oh you used teleprompter. Not at the store. No, the store,
Speaker 1: I read off paper, right. I didn't make eye contact.
Speaker 1: I was so scared you didn't. I was fucking terrified.
Speaker 1: You still killed though.
Speaker 3: It was the first time, and it was like it's
Speaker 3: more intimate at the store, like you're at the or
Speaker 3: was it at the forum Forum? When you're at the forum,
Speaker 3: there's ten thousand people, And the people I saw were
Speaker 3: people I knew, right, you know, at the tables and stuff.
Speaker 3: I went to this. I went to the store. It's intimate,
Speaker 3: like sixty people. Thank god. There was like a group
Speaker 3: of fifteen like frat boys that loved football that I
Speaker 3: could say anything and they were gonna laugh, right. But
Speaker 3: I was like nervous, shaken up there. Like that's tough
Speaker 3: for like anytime you do something new, Yeah, you're stepping
Speaker 3: out of that comfort zone.
Speaker 2: It was tough. Yeah. I prepared for that shit.
Speaker 1: I go to the store sometimes in the belly room
Speaker 1: and I and they let me just I just go
Speaker 1: in and like do a set. What do I don't
Speaker 1: have anything. I just do crowd work. I just make
Speaker 1: fun of people in the crowd How does it go?
Speaker 1: A couple you know, I've done it like four or
Speaker 1: five times. A couple of times it's gone, well, a
Speaker 1: couple of times it hasn't. Hasn't you get did you
Speaker 1: get anyone under anyone's skin?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, crowd work is like that's improv. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you gotta move, you gotta just you gotta work off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the type of comic I love. I love crowd
Speaker 1: work guys. Yeah, you're you're really great on it. I
Speaker 1: mean you display it on Instagram through your story in
Speaker 1: your TikTok you said you broke the algorithm.
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of improv work. When you're doing
Speaker 3: live games making fun of guys with an eraser whatever,
Speaker 3: you have a pencil, an eraser, the pointer.
Speaker 2: The pointer. So that are you working your improv while
Speaker 2: you're doing that as well? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you're working. That's work, that's time on task.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not free. I mean, no one's paying me
Speaker 1: yet except I'm the whole thing bank no o bank.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into the TikTok Creators program, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a program that if you meet certain requirements,
Speaker 1: you get into this program. The deeper I got into it.
Speaker 1: I realized that TikTok, in my opinion, is like ready
Speaker 1: Player won the movie. Like I think that we're all
Speaker 1: going to be living in TikTok soon. You can buy,
Speaker 1: you can sell. There's people making a million dollars a
Speaker 1: year selling candy on TikTok live candy stores. Anyways, long
Speaker 1: story short, I got obsessed with TikTok. They weren't letting
Speaker 1: me and the creators program because they said my content
Speaker 1: was an original, which I couldn't understand because I go, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm basically doing my own play by play. I'm
Speaker 1: making up all these jokes or anything that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's my It's as original as you can get. The
Speaker 1: problem was is that the algo, the algorithm, the algo,
Speaker 1: it's based on shapes. So if you go on TikTok,
Speaker 1: you'll see a kid doing a review about the Housewives
Speaker 1: with like call of Duty underneath in this split screen.
Speaker 1: Because the algorithm like shapes, it thinks that you're being original.
Speaker 1: So I go, Okay, what the fuck am I going
Speaker 1: to do? I got to solve this problem, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not quitting. I got to figure this out. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I basically merged the future with the old, and I
Speaker 1: went on Amazon and I bought a pointer stick. And
Speaker 1: now I do a play by play with a pointer
Speaker 1: stick which is exploding on tict It's.
Speaker 3: Gotta be hard to to I see how you. I
Speaker 3: can't see the puck ever, so you're following the puck.
Speaker 3: It's good for that.
Speaker 2: You like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: They tried to do a glow puck. Fox tried to
Speaker 1: glow the puck. Remember back in the day. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: You can't glow a pocket. Yeah, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: taken me. It's a dexterity game. That word I almost
Speaker 1: didn't get. It's a dexterity game. I had to get,
Speaker 1: you know, depth perception because I got a fucking phone
Speaker 1: in one hand.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a little, tiny, little kid's chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I got a you know, the screen on
Speaker 1: the phone and the TV screen it's only so big.
Speaker 1: So it's it's this whole science. Anyways, the pointer stick
Speaker 1: is blowing up and people love it. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: all improv I'm on the fly. I make it fun
Speaker 1: and some jokes and stuff. Yeah, it's funny. I think
Speaker 1: it's entertaining. I'm not a big hockey guy, but that
Speaker 1: brings me to hockey. The chick lit dudes bring me
Speaker 1: to hockey.
Speaker 3: I have to have pop culture with hockey, right because
Speaker 3: I'm American. You've worked with Nolan, David o' russell and
Speaker 3: Peter Berg. What's unique about their style and who's your
Speaker 3: favorite to work with? Well, so I've made multiple movies
Speaker 3: and Nolan and Nolan. But Pete Burg, who made Friday
Speaker 3: Night Lights and Fuck Loane Survivor. Yeah, I work at
Speaker 3: his gym.
Speaker 1: Chur Churchill your box there, Yeah, tried to Yeah my
Speaker 1: ass beat You know, Pete once got me beat up
Speaker 1: by a boxer. I've heard the story a thousand times.
Speaker 2: I just did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Chellios. I saw Chris Cellios like three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, he goes, dude, Pete showed me a video.
Speaker 1: You get I said, he's showing that video he filmed
Speaker 1: me get fucking beat up by a boxer. Can you
Speaker 1: showing our friends? Can you explain this story? I don't
Speaker 1: even know. He was like, come down to the gym
Speaker 1: and box. I got a guy for you to box.
Speaker 1: And this was like we're coming out of COVID and
Speaker 1: I I'd been running sixty miles a week and like,
Speaker 1: I now do jiu jitsu, which is great and beautiful
Speaker 1: and it like changed my life. But at that point
Speaker 1: I was looking for some sort of blend of like
Speaker 1: maybe a combat sport. And he brings me down to
Speaker 1: his gym and I got the living shit beat out
Speaker 1: of me by a boxer in his gym. I was
Speaker 1: wearing somebody else's mouthguard. Pete's like kind of a The
Speaker 1: way he teaches lessons sometimes is the difficult way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think with certain people tough. He's very He's a director,
Speaker 1: you know he knows and I think when you have
Speaker 1: a director, who's your friend and so. But anyways, Pete,
Speaker 1: it's fun to make a movie with Pete Burg because
Speaker 1: he's like loose.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: There's different sets. A Nolan set, there's no cell phones.
Speaker 1: Generally I blackout. I don't remember, like, I don't really
Speaker 1: remember much from Oppenheimer. I sat in a car with
Speaker 1: Matt Damon and killing Murphy for like six hours. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what I talked about, no clue. I
Speaker 1: hope to ask them one day, like, do you guys
Speaker 1: remember that? I doubt they will. But but Pete it's
Speaker 1: loose and it's fun and he can he throws shit
Speaker 1: at you. You know, it's like a coach, you gotta
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Any sets that are fun and comfortable, like
Speaker 1: Sandler set is fun.
Speaker 2: But there's also different styles of coaching.
Speaker 1: Listen, I I prefer the Nolan Asques set when we
Speaker 1: made tenant.
Speaker 3: But you got to be there mentally as an actor
Speaker 3: every day, you know. But like I bet you it's
Speaker 3: it's for a newer actor. It's on a looser set.
Speaker 3: It's probably easier because the tension. But if you go
Speaker 3: onto a tight ship a Nolan something, you know the
Speaker 3: stakes and you know that everyone's bringing their a game always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so juicy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like like playing for Belichick. Yes,
Speaker 3: that structure it is.
Speaker 1: I would say that that would be uh a direct
Speaker 1: parallel those two guys. And like the level of efficiency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not here, there's no fucking around, there's no fucking around,
Speaker 1: and every minute is used in the minute. It's productive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, golf collapse for Bill, he's everywhere living
Speaker 1: the life. What do you mean? I mean he looks
Speaker 1: like he's having fun. He puzzle tough, Bill, enjoy your
Speaker 1: enjoy life.
Speaker 2: He's enjoying life, all right.
Speaker 1: It's so cool. And he's a human. Yeah, we now
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 3: That's what that's what we we witnessed, right, he just
Speaker 3: very occasionally, Right, let's strip your fucking head off.
Speaker 1: I played for Scotty Bowman, who I think would be
Speaker 1: the equivalent of Belichick as far as the hockey coach.
Speaker 1: And Scotty would come in and he would yell like
Speaker 1: if there was something that he wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: he would address it in the completely opposite way. And
Speaker 1: it was always mental warfare. Yeah, with somebody in the room,
Speaker 1: like he was a mastermind. You get in the saana
Speaker 1: with this guy talk about like, what's your favorite food
Speaker 1: from back home? Like, what do you mean back home?
Speaker 1: Like Canada? I like wieners and beans. You know what
Speaker 1: wieners and beans are, Frankie beans. Yeah, yeah, we call
Speaker 1: him wieners and beans.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like the most He was like a gentle giant,
Speaker 1: like a teddy bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's what I see from Bill now is that
Speaker 1: that you know, if you.
Speaker 3: Don't talk to him about any strategic stuff going into
Speaker 3: like a game week and you bring in like a
Speaker 3: regular life. He's a regular human, right, breathing air. I
Speaker 3: don't have about that yet. I'm still waiting on that. Lastly,
Speaker 3: what's the director you want to work with? Is you
Speaker 3: shot right here? They may watch it? Yes, let's see.
Speaker 3: I'd like to be on an Olivia Wild movie.
Speaker 2: O Wild like that? Yeah, see what's popping over there?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean I'd like to work for a woman. Catherine Bigelow.
Speaker 2: Hurt Locker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's a couple that are I'd like to
Speaker 1: work for for. I've never worked for a woman, yeah
Speaker 1: ever in my life really, so it just artistically, I
Speaker 1: feel like it would be like the ReVibe.
Speaker 3: Something would be different. Yeah, it wouldn't be so rigid,
Speaker 3: you know, they could pull a different string from you maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be fun. Yeah, I like that vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need some more girls. We got Leah need
Speaker 1: some girls. Well, everybody's you know, coming out of their shell.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a fun time.
Speaker 2: It is it is.
Speaker 1: Did I smoke it here? You can smoke wherever you
Speaker 1: want of this nut hoouse. Okay, that's what the studio
Speaker 1: is called in.
Speaker 3: These Wow, look at this let's go back into time
Speaker 3: around when the game took place. This game took place
Speaker 3: on April thirteenth, two thousand and nine. And we like
Speaker 3: to talk over pop culture. Number one movie prom Night
Speaker 3: didn't see it?
Speaker 2: Did you? Or two thousand and eight? Why did I
Speaker 2: say two thousand and nine? I don't just living in
Speaker 2: the future, baby, living in the future, I'll tell you movie.
Speaker 1: And number one song from two thousand and eight doesn't
Speaker 1: feel two thousand and eight to.
Speaker 2: Me, right. I don't even touch my body. I don't
Speaker 2: know how does it go? Jack touch my body? That's
Speaker 2: all I remember.
Speaker 1: I went to Maria Carry's concerts first. Really, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: There's a picture of that somewhere there is. I did
Speaker 3: not see no me either. This is when movie? Is
Speaker 3: this the start of movies going bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, iron Man hit theaters. Iron Man hit theater.
Speaker 5: This was the first Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, if you're
Speaker 5: not counting Howard the Duck back in like the eighties
Speaker 5: or nine.
Speaker 2: I loved Howard Technically, Howard the Duck is the first
Speaker 2: of the shout out. That's like, my parents, let me
Speaker 2: watch that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mine too, And I look back watching that movie, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they probably shouldn't have let me watched that movie because.
Speaker 1: Duck is like with a girl tits in a bathtub.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, something crazy. He was a wild character.
Speaker 2: Wild.
Speaker 3: David Blaine sets the Guinness World Record for holding his
Speaker 3: breath for seventeen minutes in four and a half seconds.
Speaker 1: I just remember seeing him at Butter on Monday Nights. Butter, Yes, Butter,
Speaker 1: old Butter. People don't know about old Butter. Butter was
Speaker 1: the spot fun. Where is that New York?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was past. I never went to Butter. I
Speaker 3: went to like Up and Down. Yeah, it was the same,
Speaker 3: you know it was that Yeah, that group. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the spot. Yeah, Butter was fun.
Speaker 3: We used to go there a lot. What was life
Speaker 3: like for Sean Avery in two thousand and eight?
Speaker 1: Butter too fast? You're just going to Butter way too fast?
Speaker 2: Butter.
Speaker 1: Uh Provocateur. The Beatrice, No, we we we went to
Speaker 1: this place. There was a club in the West Village
Speaker 1: called the Beatrice, in which is the probably the It
Speaker 1: had the greatest three year run out of one of
Speaker 1: the best ever in New York.
Speaker 2: It was in a basement.
Speaker 1: But you know, you play in New York, Like you
Speaker 1: play on Monday night. You got a Monday game or
Speaker 1: Tuesday game in February. The club, the bar, it's it's
Speaker 1: on fire every night every night, especially in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, because cell phones still weren't that you know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't get that clear shot. Demwa didn't exist. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of things that that we didn't have
Speaker 1: to worry.
Speaker 2: It wasn't me. It wasn't me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't me. It was the New York City athlete.
Speaker 3: Seemed like, did you see like the Yankees out you see.
Speaker 1: Did you live in the city, Yeah, I lived in
Speaker 1: the city where you live in West Village, I lived.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I lived at Grand and Mercer, which is
Speaker 1: like Prime Prime, soho Prime? And No, you never saw
Speaker 1: any of the Yankees at uh. Joba yeah Joba yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Joba got out. He was fun like I used to
Speaker 1: see him in Boston. Sometimes he likes to get after
Speaker 1: you get after it. He was around, uh and then
Speaker 1: oh the dark night. Harvey Harvey, Matt Harvey. I used
Speaker 1: to see Matt Harvey out a lot. Matt Harvey went
Speaker 1: out way too much. Let's just say that we'll leave
Speaker 1: that for another time, and I'm not sure what year
Speaker 1: watched the Throne came out, but like I remember being
Speaker 1: in the in the studio watching those guys like lay
Speaker 1: a track down in like the Submercer which was underneath
Speaker 1: the Mercer Hotel.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven you were you were at some of those, right,
Speaker 1: But when did they make it came out?
Speaker 2: Released in twenty eleven? Let me see when they were.
Speaker 1: I think they're so you know, New York was like
Speaker 1: New York's fun, That's that's what was going on. Jay
Speaker 1: Z and Beyonce got married that year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, twenty ten. It looks like it started a right,
Speaker 6: So it was right around that time. You know, that
Speaker 6: vibe of the city was still going. So Kobe won
Speaker 6: his loan.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, in two thousand and eight, you interned at Vogue.
Speaker 1: I did that in the summer, in the summer. What
Speaker 1: was up with that? Why'd you do that?
Speaker 2: Like fashion? Yeah? I liked fashion.
Speaker 1: I liked being in the mix probably more, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I also was fucking nuts and like wanted to do
Speaker 1: something in the summer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, some guys go home and I don't know,
Speaker 1: they build a cabin or a garage, like I was
Speaker 1: in the city. I wasn't leaving. There was no way
Speaker 1: I was leaving. Yeah, the Hamptons, and yeah, I just
Speaker 1: dove right in and uh but that was an amazing experience,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Without a doubt.
Speaker 3: I used to go to I used to go to
Speaker 3: Men's Fashion Week a bunch early in my career, right,
Speaker 3: and just kind of learn it. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: I did collaborations with Joe's Jeans and Pas Jackets just
Speaker 3: because I built those relationships and I did have an
Speaker 3: interest in fashion. I like, I wanted to wear clothes
Speaker 3: that I I made. Yeah, you know, and it's it
Speaker 3: was cool, it was fun. I would love to get
Speaker 3: my hands on a pair of those Joe jeans.
Speaker 2: I'll get you something.
Speaker 3: They're athletic fit, Yes, they're athletic fit, but you know
Speaker 3: there it's more of it's a good comfy jean.
Speaker 1: I would love to stretchy. They got stretching it. They're
Speaker 1: stretched a little elastine a little. I don't wear jeans
Speaker 1: without a little elast.
Speaker 2: You know what I like. I like the vintage old jeans,
Speaker 2: those already broken in for you baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like those levices yeah, yeah out there and didn't you.
Speaker 2: You kind of invented the tunnel walk, didn't you, He
Speaker 2: claims the game. I've heard this is a high claim.
Speaker 3: So I used to work with like super Dry and
Speaker 3: all these and they needed a picture, and so I
Speaker 3: would I would. I would go to the Patriots like, yo,
Speaker 3: I need a picture on game day, snap me so
Speaker 3: I can tag them.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me, well, first of all, then the
Speaker 1: entire NFL should send you a thank you.
Speaker 2: Amen, brother, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's in fucking Kelsey is a Travis Drive. He should
Speaker 1: thank you everybody, every every walk that has been done.
Speaker 1: Now that's a hell of a claim. If you're claiming
Speaker 1: that that was you, I believe.
Speaker 2: It's completely me.
Speaker 3: But I was one of the first to be doing
Speaker 3: those things because I feel like I used to have
Speaker 3: game day fits. I used to theme ship up hell yes,
Speaker 3: coming in there looking cross eye, looking like a war hero,
Speaker 3: goo themes like yeah. Because when you had home games
Speaker 3: you got to wear you didn't have to wear suit,
Speaker 3: really yeah, you had to wear suit on away games.
Speaker 1: So if it was Halloween, you could kind of lean
Speaker 1: into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: What Miles Garrett does well.
Speaker 3: Garrett for the Cleveland Uh Cleveland Browns. That dude like
Speaker 3: gets crazy like a game at one o'clock. I have
Speaker 3: the fucking makeup crew at his house at like five am.
Speaker 3: So he looks crazy for the goddamn like he's getting
Speaker 3: for the Megala.
Speaker 1: You invented the tunnel wall. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: invented it, but I was one of the leaders. I
Speaker 1: was one of the founders, one of the forefathers, one
Speaker 1: of the foe By the way, entrepreneurial, I can't say
Speaker 1: that word. That's a tough word to say, but you
Speaker 1: were then being it right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's what That's what the United States of America is,
Speaker 3: just a land of entrepreneurs amen, just taking fit pigs.
Speaker 3: And I actually went to a fashion show with fucking
Speaker 3: your boy Cohen. Oh Andy, yeah to each other. There's
Speaker 3: a picture. Look at these guys.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, guys, look like, what is that a Tom
Speaker 1: Ford show?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I think it was Jesus, what's the American Ralph flauren?
Speaker 2: No, another one.
Speaker 3: It's not Tom Ford or Tom Brown. No, that's not
Speaker 3: Ralph floren No. That wasn't it was, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: another American. It was like, it's a traditional American brand.
Speaker 2: They have. Oh, that's Joseph Aboud, did.
Speaker 1: You jose who made his suits at a factory in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they had the they had the long shoulder
Speaker 3: for the American man because they're a little boulder.
Speaker 1: Joseph Aboud is one of the greatest men's suit American
Speaker 1: men's suit designers of all time. Like he he owns
Speaker 1: that silhouette. Yeah, that's wild. Who's the guy on the right,
Speaker 1: don't know, but he's handsome. He looks like a buff Diplo.
Speaker 1: He does look like a buff. Sorry, no, he looks
Speaker 1: like a u if Diplo wasn't a DJ in the
Speaker 1: sports world.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, Stanley
Speaker 3: Cup champions, the Detroit Red Wings.
Speaker 2: You gotta need Detroit. It was just they were pretty
Speaker 2: good on fire over here. Yeah, they were still ripping it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two is my rookie year. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: they won. Yeah, I mean, what a fucking team. They
Speaker 1: were essentially the Patriots of the NHL.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, they were.
Speaker 1: Yes, why twelve Hall of famers. You're gonna be in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, by the way, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Is it a debate, like it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't have the regular season numbers.
Speaker 2: Who cares? You had them numbers when it mattered most babies. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's what a lot of people think. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but multiple rings, many rings, I just put them on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Detroit was was full of legends. And also I think
Speaker 1: what's different about like New England Detroit Red Wings original
Speaker 1: six teams? So Ted lindsay, fuck they they had Gordy Howe,
Speaker 1: Like the history of that organization is deep.
Speaker 3: But that that history our organization is not that deep.
Speaker 3: We were in nineteen sixty were that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So if we were like a giant or something, that's
Speaker 3: who the founding fathers are, like the Giants, the Bears, right,
Speaker 3: those are like the oldest clubs, right, but that's Detroit,
Speaker 3: Detroit definitely.
Speaker 2: M VP Tom Brady, MVP Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: What about Ovechkin? This guy, this guy's about to bake
Speaker 3: break the record, isn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What are your thoughts? You You played against him?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: What a gas tank on him? Holy shit? I mean
Speaker 1: he he's unbelievable. He just keeps getting bigger and slower
Speaker 1: and hits harder and shoots harder. Like he's adapted as
Speaker 1: he's gotten older. He's sort of his game is adapted,
Speaker 1: but the end result is all the same.
Speaker 2: He still scores. Is he the Lebron of hockey? Wow?
Speaker 3: Because that's what it's kind of like, he's lasting people
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right. That's a good company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like Lebron, he's he's still playing at an
Speaker 3: insane level and this guy is fucking forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, he's doing it big time.
Speaker 1: I mean he's possibly going to break Gretzky's record, right,
Speaker 1: He's close. No one ever thought that that would happen ever.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so astronomical, little like like no
Speaker 1: one was going to beat that. Patrick Patrick came the
Speaker 1: greatest American born player. I guess at this point he
Speaker 1: was drafted one overall. Where's he from?
Speaker 2: Buffalo area? Northern? Oh he's a Buffalo guy.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, because he beat up a cab driver
Speaker 1: in Buffalo one summer.
Speaker 2: Did that just give you a little that that's like?
Speaker 2: Like it? He liked it.
Speaker 1: I mean when I saw that hit the ticker, I
Speaker 1: was like, fucking Patty came boy having a summer. That's
Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, that's my kind of guy. Tobe won
Speaker 1: his last m v P. That's sad.
Speaker 2: His only his only regular season MVP. That's sick. He's
Speaker 2: a lone hated him. He was too good. That's shot.
Speaker 1: By the way, can I take a shot? Are you
Speaker 1: on any networks with Alex Rodriguez?
Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
Speaker 1: Wow, Alex is so juicy, He's like purple. I was
Speaker 1: watching the finals. You know, these guys get so juicy.
Speaker 1: Their heads they're purple. They turn purple and their skin
Speaker 1: gets like translucent a rod bro, take your foot off
Speaker 1: the das over there.
Speaker 2: Well, he won MVP this year. He was juicy this year.
Speaker 2: Juicy al MVP, ju Jackie.
Speaker 3: Let's break down these New Jersey's popping out these devils
Speaker 3: real quick.
Speaker 5: This was the first year of the Brent Sutter era,
Speaker 5: leading the team for all you Brent Sutter heads out there,
Speaker 5: forty six twenty nine and seven. Finished fourth in the
Speaker 5: Eastern Division, second in the Atlantic. They were not a
Speaker 5: real high scoring team here, twenty six out of thirty
Speaker 5: two hundred and six goals on the season, and then
Speaker 5: the other way not that great either. Let up one
Speaker 5: hundred ninety seven, and this was the opening year of
Speaker 5: the Prudential Center, famous through the PRU baby down there
Speaker 5: in Jersey shut out eleven times during the season, which
Speaker 5: was a regular season high, and Marty Brodor got his
Speaker 5: five hundredth women this season. Some dude talk, this was
Speaker 5: bro Door, This was uh John Madden.
Speaker 2: This was this is kind of tail end of that run. Yeah,
Speaker 2: still some guys hanging on from the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yet White still on there from the three team
Speaker 6: con weeks.
Speaker 2: Who's killing it?
Speaker 3: I see you looking at this, I see you looking
Speaker 3: at the roster right now, and you're liking a focus
Speaker 3: right now. What's the first thing coming to your fucking mind.
Speaker 1: What's what's so crazy is that my feud with bro
Speaker 1: Dure was so fierce, fierce terrible, like really nasty and
Speaker 1: mean that I had no idea Brent Sutter was even
Speaker 1: the coach of the New Jersey Devils.
Speaker 2: That was the first thing.
Speaker 1: I had no fucking clue who the coach was. I
Speaker 1: have no recollection of ever even looking over.
Speaker 2: Look at that, he's doing the math in his head.
Speaker 2: That's the fucking coach.
Speaker 1: When Sutter was the coach of the Devils that year,
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but like the feud had been
Speaker 1: going on for years, so it was so fucking heated
Speaker 1: anytime we went there, and we called it the Rock
Speaker 1: or they call it the Rock that that rink sucks.
Speaker 1: It's the worst. And it's in Newark, New Jersey, which
Speaker 1: is the hell on earth. Basically what started this feud
Speaker 1: with burndor that's how we stay in Canada, Brod. My
Speaker 1: first game getting traded from LA to the Rangers was
Speaker 1: against the New Jersey Devils in New Jersey and.
Speaker 2: It was just like perfect storm, you know, So were
Speaker 2: you pissed that you had to lead LA?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I was so happy.
Speaker 1: It was literally like Phoenix rising, like I was being
Speaker 1: reborn and I get to play the first game in
Speaker 1: New Jersey on the road. I'm gonna fucking turn it
Speaker 1: on so much. He like, everyone is gonna know who
Speaker 1: I am tomorrow in the New York area and New Jersey,
Speaker 1: which they definitely did right across there. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: that game. It was like it was like that game.
Speaker 2: And so what started this feud with him?
Speaker 1: I ran him that game pretty fucking hard like, which
Speaker 1: is not a lot. It would be like after the
Speaker 1: kicker kicks a field goal if you ran full speed
Speaker 1: and just dropped your shoulder into the kicker and killed him,
Speaker 1: the extra point kicker, not the guy that kicks at
Speaker 1: the beginning, Like, what's he called the field goal kicker?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both the same guy, they are. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: you go out, you take them out? Was that just
Speaker 3: because you wanted to let everyone know I'm here, I'm
Speaker 3: fucking Sean Avery, I'm arriving to New York.
Speaker 2: It just happened to be. You make it here, you
Speaker 2: make it anywhere. Yep. Yeah, bright lights, big city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see the city from New York, so
Speaker 1: I'm basically there. It just so happened to be the
Speaker 1: most famous winning goaltender of all time, maybe one of
Speaker 1: the greatest school well yeah, probably possibly the greatest goaltender
Speaker 1: of all time.
Speaker 2: Do you still hate him? No, No, you respect him?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I thank him, fucking yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He did a lot for me. I mean you need
Speaker 1: players like that on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 3: That's there's healthy to have a little hate between teams. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's getting too you know, it's too nice to buddy buddy.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: That makes there's there's a hatred in between the lines
Speaker 3: or on the ice. But there's always a respect once
Speaker 3: you leave. Yeah, you know, we turn into different humans
Speaker 3: when you're in there, at least I do.
Speaker 2: Well, No I do. I didn't.
Speaker 1: And in this particular situation, what sort of poured gasoline
Speaker 1: on the fire?
Speaker 2: Was I took it to?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 1: Uh, I took it to a place that you probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't take it to. There were no rules with me
Speaker 1: and bro Durham. Bro Dorr was going through some shit
Speaker 1: on his own whatever. It's kind of it's weird, all right.
Speaker 1: They called him uncle daddy and there was all this
Speaker 1: weird shit that went on.
Speaker 2: Nothing like.
Speaker 1: I think he hooked up with his wife's sister, right,
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened, And.
Speaker 2: That was did you let him know that? Yes? That
Speaker 2: was part of the feud.
Speaker 1: Part of the feud was was I took it to
Speaker 1: a place that it shouldn't have gone?
Speaker 3: So how a lot? So you're you're a big research
Speaker 3: guy for your rules.
Speaker 1: You researched other goalies, absolutely, and you you wanted.
Speaker 2: To know everything that made them tick.
Speaker 3: I call him touch points that what's what's another touch
Speaker 3: point you had with the guy?
Speaker 1: If my left winger fucked his sister in junior or college.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that, but that I just went
Speaker 1: into that sick mode, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that's what guys say. I'm sorry, you know if in
Speaker 1: the NHL at that point in time, like it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was ruthless, it was. It was with certain guys,
Speaker 1: and I played with a couple of guys. Steve Ott
Speaker 1: was also very good at it. You know, we were
Speaker 1: small guys in a big league and you did anything
Speaker 1: you could just survive. And it wasn't just you know,
Speaker 1: because we're allowed to do it, and football you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do it. Yeah, you know, you get a flag,
Speaker 1: You get a flag right away. Here they don't do that.
Speaker 1: You can, you can. The jarring and the ship talking
Speaker 1: is NonStop. It's NonStop between the benches. Every time a
Speaker 1: guy skates by the bench, it's it's just like it's
Speaker 1: like recess with your boys.
Speaker 3: Yes, bro, just always it cracks me up watching you
Speaker 3: guys in your behaviors.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it'll be a guy has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: the play and a guy will just be skating like
Speaker 3: you did one time you just hit him.
Speaker 2: All they go by is that just like, hey, I'm here,
Speaker 2: fuck you.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, it was, And some of it was like retribution,
Speaker 1: some of it was you were trying to set it up.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's almost a lot of Baseball
Speaker 3: rules in hockey, like that hidden etiquette. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of that hidden etiquette stuff down people. If you're not
Speaker 3: a hockey head, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, And actually the culmination of like the game that
Speaker 1: we're talking about was it was two or three years
Speaker 1: of just this just this bad. When I look back
Speaker 1: on it, it was really dark, Like I remember it was dark,
Speaker 1: like coming back from New Jersey and I my fucking
Speaker 1: eye is I got a black eye, My mouth is
Speaker 1: all messed up. I was just in that shithole saying
Speaker 1: terrible things to him like it was a it was
Speaker 1: a real war zone, the Battle of the Hudson.
Speaker 3: Once the adrenaline dropped, the human and comes back out, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Prob's sitting there like, man, that was a fucking
Speaker 3: Then you got to do it again the next night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once the tourt all wears off.
Speaker 3: Who is one of the guys that you loved getting
Speaker 3: under their skin other than not on this team, just
Speaker 3: in your career. One guy that you loved, he circled it.
Speaker 3: I want to get under his dude.
Speaker 1: There's well, there's a person on every team, but on
Speaker 1: this team it was David Clarkson. We had some legendary,
Speaker 1: legendary battles, legendary battles, and David Clarkson's a bad dude,
Speaker 1: you know, says bad things, plays a hard game, very
Speaker 1: very good player. He is fucking mean and tough, and
Speaker 1: he was nasty and you know, he was a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger than me, but but like he was dangerous
Speaker 1: and I hated I had to take that.
Speaker 2: My edge needed.
Speaker 1: Aaron Asham a fucking killer, a killer just put guys
Speaker 1: to sleep, you know, like literally put guys to sleep,
Speaker 1: knock guys out if you fought him. They had some
Speaker 1: bad dudes. Colin White was a bad dude. He you know,
Speaker 1: I think on the original play with the first original
Speaker 1: hit with Brodure, Colin White jumps me, like just gloves
Speaker 1: off and there's put you to the ground.
Speaker 2: Eight guys.
Speaker 3: What's going on in the dogpile? Is he saying shit?
Speaker 3: Oh god?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to fish hook whoever I can
Speaker 1: fish hook and get the fuck out of there quickly.
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting smashed on the back of the head.
Speaker 1: Do anything the only thing that's off limits. It's like
Speaker 1: one of those unwritten rules. You know right away to
Speaker 1: tuck your hands because we got fucking skate blades.
Speaker 2: Yeah what I mean.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, hockey players have a sixth sense
Speaker 1: about that, where you like, that's the one thing because
Speaker 1: you're you're down there, but you're trying to like you're
Speaker 1: getting beat up too. Yeah, that's what's crazy the sport,
Speaker 1: Like you're actually allowed to beat people up on the ice.
Speaker 2: It's why.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be very hard to keep your balance. And
Speaker 3: I watch and so I was watching when you guys
Speaker 3: hold yeah, and you you gotta really rotate and keep
Speaker 3: your distance. But while you're on fucking skates, that's tough.
Speaker 3: Your groins must be very tight. Yeah, it's like catching
Speaker 3: a ball up over the middle. Different I mean, but guys,
Speaker 3: not trying to punch me under my gut. Well, you
Speaker 3: get a forearm on the teeth, so you know, but
Speaker 3: a shoulder into the sternum's just as bad. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's yeah, yeah, who's the hardest guy to get on?
Speaker 3: Who is the guy that was like, fucking I could
Speaker 3: get I could crack any anyone. You could crack anyone.
Speaker 1: Except one time when I played in Detroit my rookie year, uh,
Speaker 1: Colorado had an unbelievable player, captain winner Joe Sakic, And
Speaker 1: I'm on the bench and Sakic is in front of
Speaker 1: me lining up for a face off, and I lean
Speaker 1: over the bench and I just start motherfucking him about
Speaker 1: the suit that he wore into the game, because I
Speaker 1: saw him walk in and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: feel my jersey pull, like really pull me, pull me
Speaker 1: like my dad was pulling me, and fucking yanked me
Speaker 1: down on the bench beside me. And it was Brett Hall,
Speaker 1: who I lived in his garage. Brett Hall is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest players of all time. He kind of
Speaker 1: looked over at me and said, you will not speak
Speaker 1: to mister Sakkik in that way.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, Holly got it.
Speaker 1: And that was And so I never said anything from
Speaker 1: that moment on, I never said a word to Joe Sakic.
Speaker 2: He was he was off limbits, he was off limits.
Speaker 1: He was anointed off limits by someone who you know
Speaker 1: when he put that on, you were like, okay, because
Speaker 1: Holly would not say that about too many people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you lived in Brett Hall's fucking garage. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to live in a teammate's house for two years. Really,
Speaker 3: I just got to say the check and gonna be
Speaker 3: on the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, above his garage Deerborn. No, sorry, We were in uh, Birmingham, Michigan.
Speaker 1: Beautiful Birmingham, Michigan. The house was the jukebox and he
Speaker 1: drove an old Ta Bird and I just had to
Speaker 1: start the car in the morning. That was the only thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, he didn't take he wouldn't take my money.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah he hit a turned on the fucking eater.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then one night he came home after a game
Speaker 1: and I wasn't there, and my buddies had left these
Speaker 1: pot brownies in the fridge and he hadn't smoked weed
Speaker 1: in seventeen years, but he loved dessert. And the next
Speaker 1: morning I started the car. No, Holly and I went
Speaker 1: up to the to the their side of the house
Speaker 1: and Darcy's girlfriend at the time, she's like, Brett's in
Speaker 1: the uh in the walking closet. He's been doing snow
Speaker 1: angels since like four in the morning, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? He had no idea. He went home
Speaker 1: after the game and they're in the fridge and he
Speaker 1: buried like two or three of them.
Speaker 2: And those are the days where you make the butter.
Speaker 2: They're so so strong. Dudes.
Speaker 1: You eat one of those on a plane, you want
Speaker 1: to jump off the plane.
Speaker 2: And he ate three of them and was in a hole,
Speaker 2: went to Mars the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, bread Hule, greatest, greatest American great one of
Speaker 1: the greatest goal scores in the history of the NHL.
Speaker 2: If you brought him to the moon.
Speaker 1: In one word, before we move on to the Rangers,
Speaker 1: in one word, how do you describe the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Devils Filthy?
Speaker 3: I like that they are. They were at that point. Yes,
Speaker 3: filthy could be used in a good manner too, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you associate it with the Hudson in
Speaker 1: Jersey and like dead bodies and shit, all kinds of shit,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's true. Yeah, But by the way,
Speaker 1: there's parts of Jersey I love tenn of flying New Jersey.
Speaker 2: I love it. I would live there, you know. There's
Speaker 2: some nice parts of Jersey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the New York Giants play in New Jersey, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Meadowleans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for the New Jersey Giants, they took a
Speaker 1: ring from me. Hey, that's what I call. I call
Speaker 1: the New York Islanders, the Long Island Islanders. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: They aint bad about that. Yes, yes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Jaggie Litz. Jump into the New
Speaker 1: York Rangers. Get into these Rangers. Forty two, twenty seven
Speaker 1: and thirteen. Tom Rennie third in the Atlantic, fifth in
Speaker 1: the East.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: This was henriklen Quiz third season, led the league in
Speaker 5: shutouts with twelve.
Speaker 2: He was standing on his.
Speaker 5: Head, third year in a row, making the playoffs. Some
Speaker 5: big additions to this roster Scott Gomez, Chris Drury, both.
Speaker 1: In Wait a minute, that's why you did Vogue because
Speaker 1: Henry Hedrick he was stealing by thunder. He was so
Speaker 1: fucking good looking in those suits. You had to work
Speaker 1: in Vogue. That's the only reason you worked in Vote. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Actually, very intuitive of you. Yes, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest looking men ever in in the world. Just
Speaker 1: a stud too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, just a stud. Sorry
Speaker 1: for cutting you off. Jam math in my mind. Brother, Uh,
Speaker 1: some other guys on this team. This was Yager was
Speaker 1: on this team?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Yep, oh, he certainly was, dude Jeremi or Yoger. How
Speaker 1: could you explain what he is? This guy?
Speaker 2: He's still playing, He's still playing insane fifty three.
Speaker 1: He owns a team in the Czech Republic, yea somewhere
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Bloc, one of I mean, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: Yog's didn't cut his toenails if he was on a
Speaker 1: scoring streak, like he thought that everything was like being
Speaker 1: about grounded and the power in his body. He had
Speaker 1: the biggest legs I have ever seen. They were so big,
Speaker 1: they were the biggest, you know, like like like a
Speaker 1: fucking offensive lineman. But but he could jump his vertical
Speaker 1: like an unbelievable athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, loved to gamble on football. He just like me.
Speaker 1: He was like he was so cool, you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up watching him. He was still firing at this point. Unbelievable,
Speaker 1: almost a point a game player. What a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A real honor to be able to have played with him. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he got to play some legends. Yeah, I got some
Speaker 1: serious guys that I lucky lucky. Just those old school heads.
Speaker 1: You know, those old heads were different, like they were
Speaker 1: like because they were in the eighties, so there was
Speaker 1: this generational thing that they and some of those guys defected.
Speaker 1: They were like actually defectors to the to the US,
Speaker 1: and I got them on, you know, not the tail
Speaker 1: end of their career, but at a good point where
Speaker 1: they were still firing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Eastern Bloc guys wild. Are they just a different breed?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the Russians are. The Russians are incredible because
Speaker 1: they didn't have heat like six years ago, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Some of these guys seriously, they you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, like it was still like Russia. They
Speaker 1: didn't go home in the summer sometimes, like it's dangerous
Speaker 1: to be a Russian player. Russians are so much fun.
Speaker 1: I loved playing with them. Swedes are like Canadians. Checks
Speaker 1: are like Canadians, very similar, sort of like a little
Speaker 1: gritty and kind of like the well rounded guys. American
Speaker 1: guys were starting to come into their own. Palmarra Boston
Speaker 1: kid uh, Brandon Dubinsky was fucking out of his mind, Dubie.
Speaker 1: We had some wild dudes on this team. Now you
Speaker 1: ever drinking of that Russian gas? Yep, what is it?
Speaker 1: I mean they can put it in the car and
Speaker 1: the carl start and they just drink it. Yeah, they go,
Speaker 1: oh god hard. But I also played with Russians that
Speaker 1: liked like newer new age Russians, and they loved caviar.
Speaker 1: These guys, Russians like rich things. Yeah, they're just because, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. You guys don't play with you. Yeah, Russians
Speaker 1: are fucking wild man. We're just straight America. They're better
Speaker 1: tooting on this team, a complete wild man, like great guy.
Speaker 1: We played so hard too, great player, great player. How
Speaker 1: is Sean Avery as a hockey player? What was his
Speaker 1: scouting report? My god, as you get older, you realize
Speaker 1: like nothing was ever going to change my game. I
Speaker 1: could have been so much better and at what I
Speaker 1: did if I just did a little less of like
Speaker 1: the one thing that I did, which was just cause
Speaker 1: like complete fucking havoc. I guess with me, you could
Speaker 1: say that. And even I see people here in LA
Speaker 1: that season ticket holders, I only played here three years,
Speaker 1: a long time ago. They go, dude, I loved you
Speaker 1: on the team. We had no fucking idea what was
Speaker 1: going to happen from game to game, like, and that
Speaker 1: was kind of how it was. You know, you didn't know,
Speaker 1: you really didn't know, Like if I was, yeah, very unpredictable,
Speaker 1: always played hard, but my unpredictableness probably hurt me and
Speaker 1: my effectiveness, like in my focus lay twelve years long career.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. What was it like playing in the Garden?
Speaker 3: I mean that had to be fucking pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the best for the hockey guys,
Speaker 1: the hockey world. I mean that's the mecca. It's the mecca,
Speaker 1: that's for everything. It's the best for everything, concerts, basketball, boxing, UFCU.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's built underground, so you like under a building. You're
Speaker 1: under a building, You're you're inside of the earth, and
Speaker 1: there's energy that that comes with that. Like the building
Speaker 1: sort of moves and you can feel you feel like
Speaker 1: you're in the center of New York City. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the Dome it kind of it curves, but it never ends.
Speaker 1: It's it's the fucking mecca. And then you walk through
Speaker 1: the halls and you see the pictures of like Zeppelin,
Speaker 1: Fraser Alley, Republican National Convention, Democratic National Convention, like wild Ship,
Speaker 1: that's in and you can feel it in the walls.
Speaker 1: It's the best. It still is. It's it's the best
Speaker 1: arena in all of sports. I think you ever see
Speaker 1: Billy Juelire. I saw Billy Julie Billy there. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see Fish there, Fish guy. Yeah, Fish plays, Fish
Speaker 1: owns the garden. They've actually sort of Billy handed the
Speaker 1: mantle as far as live acts consecutive nights. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll smash his record. But fucking Billy Joel Long
Speaker 1: Island guy, Like what a New York.
Speaker 2: I saw the Boston there too. Oh Springstek. I think
Speaker 2: that's nice. I'm jealous. That's a show. Yeah, that's a show.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: I mean that's but that's when you're in New York.
Speaker 2: You gotta see Conny.
Speaker 3: It's freezing in February, so you're gonna go to a
Speaker 3: goddamn concert. Yeah, you gotta go to concerts indoor.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: You can do anything. Go up to Carnegie Hall, you
Speaker 1: can watch like it's it never ends. You go downtown,
Speaker 1: go into a fucking k hole with mcaulay culkin for
Speaker 1: three days if you want, like, you go anywhere.
Speaker 3: You want to New York City right there like that.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this quick break. Can you
Speaker 3: describe to the football fans. We have a lot of
Speaker 3: football fans, we have a lot of hockey guys, a
Speaker 3: lot of hockey fans as well.
Speaker 1: But the agitator, it would be the cornerback with no
Speaker 1: rules whatsoever, Like he would just be able to go
Speaker 1: anywhere on the field and talk shit to anybody, including
Speaker 1: the fans, including the opposite team, coaches, fucking trainers, like
Speaker 1: everyone's on limits. Everybody is fair game. And I say
Speaker 1: cornerback because cornerback can rove a little bit.
Speaker 2: Is that true? He could what he's sort of rove,
Speaker 2: He's like a rower.
Speaker 1: He could be a safety, a safety more like a
Speaker 1: safety safety does that okay?
Speaker 2: So like an in box safety that drops out.
Speaker 3: So he can kind of go across the field and
Speaker 3: Nats can play a little linebacker. They could go outside
Speaker 3: and cover a fucking tight end if they have to,
Speaker 3: if it's man coverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be a safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the art of the agitator in the NHL.
Speaker 1: And there's been some great ones, uh, all the way
Speaker 1: back to Kenny Linsman, who they called the Rat. He
Speaker 1: played in Boston. Yeah, he was a legend, a legend.
Speaker 1: The DNA of the of the agitator. Somebody generally on
Speaker 1: the small side, has a chip on their shoulder. This
Speaker 1: is the serial killer profile of an NHL agitator. Small
Speaker 1: definitely the smallest on his team. Growing up, everybody told
Speaker 1: him he wasn't gonna make it. Generally a really good
Speaker 1: skater and has a good mind for the game, but
Speaker 1: is also maybe came from a home where everybody didn't
Speaker 1: tell each other that they loved each other that much.
Speaker 1: Like it was sort of like like roughneck, rough but loving,
Speaker 1: but but but rough, like a fuck you would be
Speaker 1: heard all the time, yeah, or or you know a
Speaker 1: lot of passive aggressive stuff like if you didn't play well,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not okay your grounding, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't eat tonight, It wasn't that bad. Generally,
Speaker 1: they uh uh, they have to have some flamboyant showmanship
Speaker 1: to them because you take a lot of heat, you
Speaker 1: generally have a target on your back. Yeah and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of it.
Speaker 2: Who's the agitators?
Speaker 3: The now that you like that you look and you say,
Speaker 3: all right, this kid's a good agitator in the league.
Speaker 1: It's really tough to kind of they've changed the rules
Speaker 1: so much they've.
Speaker 2: Not flirts with it. Who flirts? Who flirts with it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: You know, no, I can do that. Of course, there's
Speaker 1: still incredible agitators in the league. Uh, the Ka Chuck
Speaker 1: kid in Florida who just won the Stanley Cup last
Speaker 1: year and his teammates Sam Bennett, who actually, you know,
Speaker 1: when I think about Sam Bennett, who's won a Stanley Cup,
Speaker 1: maybe multiple Stanley Cups. Now, Sam Bennett is the ultimate
Speaker 1: rat shit disturber. And Sam Bennett fucking hurts people still.
Speaker 1: He hurt Marshan last year. Yeah, with a nasty like
Speaker 1: secret soccer punch. The art of the soccer punch is
Speaker 1: not it's a beautiful thing. And that was one of
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time because he masked it the.
Speaker 2: Art and did you suspend it after when they replay it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they the problem was they didn't have the
Speaker 1: right angle he got. He got lucky on that. You
Speaker 1: got to be a magician to be an adjectator. Yes,
Speaker 1: so you're David Blaine. Well yeah, some would say of
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, yeah, you know, part of my career
Speaker 1: I didn't have two referees, so they brought the second
Speaker 1: refin and that made it tougher. But I used to
Speaker 1: I mean, I've shot like I used to shoot pucks
Speaker 1: at refs that I got pissed off at, and I
Speaker 1: would make it like I would mask it as like
Speaker 1: a dump in, you know what I mean, so I
Speaker 1: didn't see them the icne. Yeah, but it would just
Speaker 1: be at you know, neck high and going fucking ninety
Speaker 1: miles an hour.
Speaker 3: You put that thing anywhere you want anywhere? Are you
Speaker 3: still good with the stick?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't held one in a while.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if we were playing road hockey, I'd be okay, No,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter because I would fucking I would smack
Speaker 1: your shins and shit, you know, and I would get
Speaker 1: and I would always have a stick in your armpit
Speaker 1: or in your fucking knee, and you just be like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to play. So I would make
Speaker 1: up for my lack of sharpness immediately right away. I'd
Speaker 1: go like, okay, just instantly go to agitation. Yes, yes, geez, Jackie,
Speaker 1: continue it up before.
Speaker 5: We go real quick, Sean, can we get your mount
Speaker 5: rushmore of agitators real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be Terry O'Reilly great Boston Bruin love it.
Speaker 1: I gotta go, Kenny Linsman, myself, Steve Ott, and Tuomo
Speaker 1: Rutu who was a Finnish guy who was very very
Speaker 1: effective broken English staking in won multiple Stanley Cups, Edmonton Oilers,
Speaker 1: New York Rangers as it was fucking legendary. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are some good ones.
Speaker 2: Like I like that. I guess before we move on
Speaker 2: to the game.
Speaker 3: That's the teak in it too, Like wild names in hockey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we have a kool Aid now. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: fell there's or something.
Speaker 5: What's his name kool Aid mcinstry, Yeah, Ray Rays names
Speaker 5: coming laid.
Speaker 2: A sick fool name is yule Ad. Wow.
Speaker 5: Wild that's cool. He needs a deal, baby, get him
Speaker 5: a deal with kool aid man. Yeah right, popping through
Speaker 5: the wall? Baby, who's the team asshole? This team?
Speaker 2: Were you the team asshole? Yeah? I mean that's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm like looking to see him. That's a bigger asshole
Speaker 2: than me.
Speaker 1: No, No, I was the team asshole.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Brandon Shanahan number fourteen, who Shanny was the reason that
Speaker 1: I got traded to New York because I had played
Speaker 1: with him in Detroit. Shanny's now the president of the
Speaker 1: Toronto Maple Leafs. He's like, you know, Hockey Royalty, multiple
Speaker 1: Stanley Cups, gold medals for Canada.
Speaker 2: Shanny was my babysitter on this team.
Speaker 1: Like, Shanny was the guy anytime I did something and
Speaker 1: I went too far, he was the guy that I
Speaker 1: would get a call and I'd have to meet him
Speaker 1: at Nello's which is uptown, like seventieth in Madison. It
Speaker 1: was like going to see the Grandfather, like sitting down
Speaker 1: outside on a patio or inside if it was it
Speaker 1: was wintertime, and his legs would be cross. He'd be
Speaker 1: doing a crossword puzzle and he would just like tell
Speaker 1: me that I fucked up and that I need to
Speaker 1: be better, you know, and he would guilt me into
Speaker 1: into like recorrecting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had every once in a while. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you remember a specific time that you got called
Speaker 3: into the Godfather's office uptown?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was actually so good. I was playing in LA
Speaker 1: and we had our all star break and he told
Speaker 1: me to fly to New York because he needed to
Speaker 1: sit down and vet me before they pulled off the trade.
Speaker 1: And then two weeks so I went, and two weeks
Speaker 1: later I got traded to New York. That was like
Speaker 1: the first that was like the real that was like
Speaker 1: being accepted into the family moment. But I, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew Shanny. We had played together, we were close.
Speaker 1: But and then before our first playoff game that we
Speaker 1: ever played together, and.
Speaker 2: We were at Nello and I was so fucking nervous.
Speaker 1: It was my first playoff game in New York at
Speaker 1: the Garden, and he was so calm. He was so calm,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Aren't you nervous? He goes, No, I left my three
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup rings at home. Okay, I just kind of
Speaker 1: like follow that lead of you know, that's what they have.
Speaker 1: They have that common presence. That's but I was out
Speaker 1: of control on this team for sure. Now, so he's
Speaker 1: a legend on the team. There's a bunch of legend
Speaker 1: on this team. What was that dynamic in this locker room?
Speaker 1: Like was it a chill locker room? Were you guys close?
Speaker 1: What was that dynamic?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So even like the locker rooms at MSG, they have
Speaker 1: a vibe. It's like it's like going into so hard
Speaker 1: to explain because the Knicks locker room is attached to ours,
Speaker 1: so like we all have the same door and they
Speaker 1: just go to the right and we go to the left.
Speaker 1: So when we get changed into our underwear before the game,
Speaker 1: we are in a Knicks locker like I would be
Speaker 1: in Stephan Marbury's locker putting my We call it getsch
Speaker 1: It's like our the stuff we heard. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: locker room has this uh it's like walking into a
Speaker 1: sacred ground, like a hollowed room. It has this vibe
Speaker 1: to it, unlike any other room, I know, beautiful locker rooms.
Speaker 1: You guys had one the jets, you see that.
Speaker 2: This was a thing.
Speaker 1: So like the music was a vibe, and we had
Speaker 1: a lot of Europeans, so we only listened to like
Speaker 1: heavy techno trance, like fucking hard ship before games. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you could hear it because it would bounce off
Speaker 1: the walls. And the Knicks put the sickest sound system
Speaker 1: in ever, you know. So it was a party. This
Speaker 1: team was a party team. We had a lot of
Speaker 1: partiers on this team and every game.
Speaker 2: Was a party. Who's the party animal.
Speaker 1: On this team? We had some guys that went hard.
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely went the hardest for sure.
Speaker 3: So you got asshole, you got partier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in it too fast, moving way too
Speaker 1: fast at this point. First to say it, I just
Speaker 1: signed a.
Speaker 2: Four year deal. Yeah, way too way too fast, way
Speaker 2: too fast. Let's jump into the game before we move on.
Speaker 2: Just because I saw that Nigel Doz was on this team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's a unique player in that he never really
Speaker 2: quite stuck in the NHL. But is the case a
Speaker 2: kind of the kh a legend. What was it like
Speaker 2: playing with him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dozzy also half black, which is a rarity in our sport,
Speaker 1: you know, Toronto kid. Yeah, he went on to play
Speaker 1: like a lot of years in the KHL, which is
Speaker 1: the Russian version of the NHL, which is a very
Speaker 1: very good league. Does he played pretty good for us?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: You know, how is their payover there? They make big money?
Speaker 1: Oil money, Yeah, oil money. Now are they allowed to
Speaker 1: come home?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: They come home with bags of cash multiple times over
Speaker 1: the course of the year, or they send family members
Speaker 1: with bags of cash home. It's the wild West over there.
Speaker 2: HL. That's so crazy. That's why I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 1: When we won in two thousand and two. I went
Speaker 1: to Russia with we had feder Off Larry onof we
Speaker 1: had a lot of Russians. Anyways, I went to the Kremlin.
Speaker 1: They took the Stanley Cup. They had a parade there,
Speaker 1: like that's a whole different world, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people over there. They love hockey too, and hockey
Speaker 1: is their sport. Yeah, you know Canada Russia seventy two.
Speaker 1: The Russians are incredible players, great for the game. And
Speaker 1: Detroit was the was the birthplace of them defecting really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a great documentary called The Russian Five.
Speaker 2: You should watch. We have to watch that. We'll watch it,
Speaker 2: all right, Jackie, let's break down this game. You want
Speaker 2: to get in the lead up real quick? Said this, yeah,
Speaker 2: lead up all right.
Speaker 5: So over the final month of the season, both teams
Speaker 5: were around five hundred. The Rangers went seven to eight,
Speaker 5: Devils went nine and seven. The Rangers owned them all
Speaker 5: season seven and one. That lone loss coming the final
Speaker 5: game of the season. Wow, which would decide Howie advantage here? Uh,
Speaker 5: Devil's one, three, two and o T And that was
Speaker 5: the final game of the year.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that Games one and two were
Speaker 1: on the road, wild right, just blackout.
Speaker 2: I had no clue. I guess it just didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Like at that at this point it was such it
Speaker 1: was so fun and so like nasty, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: I probably liked going I think I did like going
Speaker 1: there more now I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like being the villain? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is is there a different energy? And I'm I'm assuming yes,
Speaker 3: But can you explain the energy difference between regular season hockey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fucking playoff hockey?
Speaker 3: Because I explained it all the time in football, there's
Speaker 3: difference between training camp speed to when you have a
Speaker 3: preseason game to when you go to the regular season
Speaker 3: and then playoffs, and each week in playoffs like balls
Speaker 3: to the walls.
Speaker 2: There's no business decisions.
Speaker 3: Guys are literally trying to kill ye because there's no
Speaker 3: more games. Like, can you explain that energy?
Speaker 1: The jump between the play and the regular season and
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's so exponential, it's it's it's like a
Speaker 1: thing that I think is just baked into us, Like
Speaker 1: it also becomes a performance. It's it's more life and death.
Speaker 1: The fans and everything gets baked into it. Playoff hockey,
Speaker 1: it's just a better game. It's a sharper game everything.
Speaker 1: There's no you know, we play eighty two games, so
Speaker 1: the first twenty of the seasons sometimes they're a little
Speaker 1: bit sloppy. Yeah, trying to work out your power play,
Speaker 1: penalty kill.
Speaker 3: Which is like ours in our league as of late
Speaker 3: last five six years, the first three games, four games,
Speaker 3: because they've killed practice time in training camp, right, has
Speaker 3: become sloppy right there.
Speaker 2: You can see it. You can see it.
Speaker 5: And then John mentioned games one and two, both of
Speaker 5: those four to one in two to one.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: So then that brings us to Game three here, a
Speaker 5: Sunday afternooner at the Garden, up two to zero in
Speaker 5: the series. First period starts out dradon goals.
Speaker 2: Devils came out flying around.
Speaker 1: Wow, we lot we uh, I didn't know they scored
Speaker 1: the first one.
Speaker 2: Then then do he tied it up?
Speaker 1: And then we go on the power play a five
Speaker 1: on three in the second period. Yep, that was a
Speaker 1: second period goal. Yep, six fifty six.
Speaker 5: That was the the famous So that was after I
Speaker 5: had done the thing, yes, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Scoring the goal off the f right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what's the thing? Take us beat for beat? What
Speaker 3: the thing is all right, the thing is here.
Speaker 1: This is perfect, the difference between the regular season and
Speaker 1: the playoffs and the regular season, my job immediately was
Speaker 1: go to the front of the and try and make
Speaker 1: number thirty go crazy, all right, And in doing that
Speaker 1: sometimes I would take a penalty because you know, you're
Speaker 1: just it's like a little bit looser and the stakes
Speaker 1: clearly are not as high, but you're in a different mindset.
Speaker 1: So now you're in game three of the first round,
Speaker 1: and during the regular season, normally I would go to
Speaker 1: the front of the net, and the traditional way to
Speaker 1: stand in front of the net is you stand facing
Speaker 1: your defenseman so that you can visually see the shots
Speaker 1: for tippins, because that's a big part of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys have made their careers just being great net front guys,
Speaker 1: being able to have hand eye and tip pucks in.
Speaker 1: And Dino Cicirelli was incredible. Thomas Holmstrom, who I played
Speaker 1: with in Detroit, one of the greatest ever. The problem
Speaker 1: was Brodure was such an og this guy five hundred
Speaker 1: NHL wins that I when I did it in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think probably in Game one, I went to the
Speaker 1: net traditional and I get a fucking I get jabbed
Speaker 1: in the back of the knee, poked in the back
Speaker 1: of the knee, but in the most perfect spot where
Speaker 1: when you're on skates, if you get poked in the
Speaker 1: back of the knee, you go ass over tea kettle.
Speaker 1: So he poked me and I fell into him. He
Speaker 1: sold it and I got a penalty. So now I
Speaker 1: just put this he poked the bear. Well, not only
Speaker 1: did he poke the bear, he beat the bear. He
Speaker 1: out tricked the bear, he outsmarted the bear. The wise
Speaker 1: man knew, well, you're like a little cub right now, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're a cub.
Speaker 2: You're not even a bear, right.
Speaker 1: And I'm now I'm like out of my element, and
Speaker 1: I go, holy fuck. Because the stakes are high. I
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to not get penalized because
Speaker 1: I want to stay on the ice, I want to score,
Speaker 1: I want to be effective. So the cub had to
Speaker 1: go to the penalty bucks. And it's just where the
Speaker 1: cub became a bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, at this point, and this was the triggering effect,
Speaker 1: we get a five on three, which a five on
Speaker 1: three power play in the playoffs very rare. That means
Speaker 1: they have two penalties, right now two guys have to
Speaker 1: go off the ice. We have five, they have three.
Speaker 1: That's a big moment, right, have to score, You have
Speaker 1: to score, have to score.
Speaker 2: It's it's like do or die.
Speaker 1: And if you don't score on five special teams, this
Speaker 1: is like a yeah, special teams.
Speaker 2: Right, this is.
Speaker 3: Denver having a thirty six yard kick to beat the
Speaker 3: Chiefs to win the game.
Speaker 2: You got to hit it. What happens?
Speaker 3: The Chiefs blocked the fucking field goal. Yeah, it came
Speaker 3: up with the play. What a block?
Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy. So we get the five on three.
Speaker 1: Let me let me play this through because a lot
Speaker 1: happened on this play now that I'm seeing it, because
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the time. What time was their second
Speaker 1: penalty taken? Can we find that out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me take a look.
Speaker 1: Care because I would trigger the five on three. So
Speaker 1: I go, okay, holy shit, we're on a five on three.
Speaker 1: It's Game three Stanley Cup Playoffs. We're in New York.
Speaker 1: We're up to nothing in the series. I cannot take
Speaker 1: a penalty.
Speaker 2: Now. What people don't understand.
Speaker 1: Is is that for me to go to the front
Speaker 1: of the net and turn around, it's not safe because
Speaker 1: you can get to take a I got Yogurt and
Speaker 1: I got Shanahan on the points for one timers, and
Speaker 1: when you're in a five on three, the box gets condensed,
Speaker 1: so now instead of them being sixty feet away, they're
Speaker 1: like thirty feet away. In our equipment, we don't have
Speaker 1: any padding in our backs because the game's always sort
Speaker 1: of played at the front, like we go at guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we take hits to the side, like there's nothing
Speaker 1: in your back. So I go, okay, fuck it. I
Speaker 1: gotta figure out a way to not take a penalty.
Speaker 1: But I also have in the back of my head
Speaker 1: like if Yog's hits me with a one timer in
Speaker 1: my back, he's gonna break my back, Like he's gonna
Speaker 1: fucking break my spine. But I don't want to take
Speaker 1: a penalty, so I gotta figure I go. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys are the two of the greatest shooters of
Speaker 1: all time, Shanahan and uh Yoger. At the point, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. And I remember the moment when I
Speaker 1: got off the bench because you can see it. I
Speaker 1: kind of come off the bench and we enter into
Speaker 1: the zone and you can see me like going just
Speaker 1: blining it to the front of the net, which is
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be, and at some point from
Speaker 1: my skate from the bench to the goal, which is
Speaker 1: about I don't know, probably eighty feet. I figured that
Speaker 1: this is what I was gonna do, and like I have,
Speaker 1: it seered into my head. What brodure, what he looked like,
Speaker 1: his eyes, what they were saying to me when I
Speaker 1: went in front of him. No one had ever seen
Speaker 1: this before, like ever, Like no one had done anything
Speaker 1: so stupid or weird.
Speaker 3: Because it's a crazy that you could take a puck
Speaker 3: to the back and maybe become paralyzed.
Speaker 2: Because these things are fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: B Because etiquette, Yeah, how come people have never sortsmanship?
Speaker 2: Sportsmanship? Maybe? So we're in playoffs, yeah, playoff energy.
Speaker 3: Like we talked ten minutes ago, we said, fuck sportsmanship,
Speaker 3: fuck my life, the guard, my spine.
Speaker 2: We're in the garden. Yep, I gotta do.
Speaker 1: I cannot get fucking penalty points.
Speaker 2: I can't go in the box. I can't go in
Speaker 2: the box.
Speaker 3: So you sacrificed your life and sportsmanship for this fucking.
Speaker 2: We got to keep this five on three?
Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, I gotta keep this five on three because
Speaker 1: you know ultimately, like I want to go because I
Speaker 1: am at war with this school. So if I can
Speaker 1: tie this whole thing together somehow and I can bury
Speaker 1: one on him, I got two on him in the series.
Speaker 1: And let's just both times I scored on him, I
Speaker 1: reminded him immediately after, like they would throw a flag
Speaker 1: in football, they would go, oh take that, yeah, taunting. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would go right to him and tell him terrible
Speaker 1: things about the ship, that he's done off the ice
Speaker 1: and that I just fucking scored on you. Did you
Speaker 1: see that goal? Fucking didn't get it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: So it was war, right, And that's what happened, is no,
Speaker 3: there's what is it? What's the There's no fair in
Speaker 3: love and war's fair. And and by the way, you know,
Speaker 3: he wanted me. They were trying to hurt me, and
Speaker 3: it was it was good. It was like perfect. It
Speaker 3: was the perfect storm. So, oh what happens? I do
Speaker 3: the thing. I put my hand in front of his face. Right,
Speaker 3: he moves one way and I moved the other way.
Speaker 3: And I think he thinks I'm only going to do
Speaker 3: it maybe like once, and I'm not going to really
Speaker 3: stick with the bit. But I stuck with it, so
Speaker 3: anytime he moved and we had a couple of shots
Speaker 3: in the process, I have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 3: I can hear the shots being taken, so I'm sort
Speaker 3: of like trying to feel it. I'll lift my leg
Speaker 3: up or kind of move with bro Dirt because he's
Speaker 3: trying to Goalies have to try and find the puck,
Speaker 3: whether you're looking at them or away from them.
Speaker 1: That's part of their job. They got to track the puck.
Speaker 1: And a moment happens. It goes down to the back
Speaker 1: door to Scotty Gomez, who I'd played with all year,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, man, I just kind of like
Speaker 1: I just stood there and I was already facing that direction,
Speaker 1: so I didn't need to do sort of a one
Speaker 1: eighty to Scottie, who was in the corner with the puck.
Speaker 1: He could just it was a direct line to me,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of how it played out, A direct
Speaker 1: line to me, who's already staring at Brodure like kind
Speaker 1: of doing this, and then I can I just that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm here, and I get a pass and I bury
Speaker 1: it a one timer, and like the fucking place just
Speaker 1: went nuts, Like it went fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: What is Brodure saying that? You know, I was so
Speaker 3: I didn't did he have a name for you or
Speaker 3: what did he call you? Do he call you Sean?
Speaker 3: He has broken English, so it's kind of no. He
Speaker 3: he almost didn't really speak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I got this guy so mad that he
Speaker 1: couldn't speak. It's basically the situation anytime we played them,
Speaker 1: And you can see by the way from that season
Speaker 1: series we played them eight times. Well, you guys, how
Speaker 1: many times do you play another team.
Speaker 3: Twice in the division and then so the playoffs? Imagine
Speaker 3: playing a that you know him inside out eight times
Speaker 3: eight times.
Speaker 1: And we beat them seven out of those eight games. So, like,
Speaker 1: I was so far up this guy's ass that he
Speaker 1: wanted me dead. He would he would definitely, he would
Speaker 1: not have shed a tear. If I fucking popped up
Speaker 1: on the back page of the New York Post debt,
Speaker 1: he would be happy about that. It was fucking war.
Speaker 1: I scored the place went crazy, and that was kind
Speaker 1: of where it was just all in the same thing.
Speaker 2: It was like the same minute is the and you know,
Speaker 2: and this idea came up on the forty feet ice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, however, far it is from the bench to the
Speaker 1: goal line.
Speaker 2: At MSG. You didn't think about this on the bench.
Speaker 2: It just you never thought about it once.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing was Chris Drury, who's now the
Speaker 1: general manager of the New York Rangers. He's he's on
Speaker 1: the back door, so he's like, back door on my
Speaker 1: right side, left side, whatever side doesn't depending on what
Speaker 1: side you're facing. Back door. The ref's yelling at me
Speaker 1: in the corner. He's telling me to knock it off
Speaker 1: more or less. But there's no rule in this.
Speaker 2: So I'm like saying to him, what what what?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: We're talking, like you can see it. There's a conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the ref. He's like telling motherfucking me,
Speaker 1: telling me he's gonna give me a penalty. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no fucking penalty. And then Drury comes from the
Speaker 1: back door. He skates over and he whispers into my
Speaker 1: ear while the play's happening, aves He's gonna give you
Speaker 1: a penalty. And I kind of turned to Drew. I'm like,
Speaker 1: for what. And then at this point Drew's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to my spot. And then that
Speaker 1: that was it. It went to Gomer to me, and
Speaker 1: I scored and it now did you go? But you
Speaker 1: went back to it the Knicks. Well, here's what happened.
Speaker 1: Oh man, dude, all right, there's a rule Okay, the NHLPA,
Speaker 1: which is our union. You have one NFLPA, the NHLPA,
Speaker 1: which is our union. They have to approve any rule changes.
Speaker 1: They do it at the Border Governor's meeting in Palm Beach,
Speaker 1: Florida in the summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's as owners meeting. Yes, like they proposed new rules.
Speaker 3: They all vote on it. Standard in all league procedures.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I went out after the game. I went out. I
Speaker 1: didn't go home. I went out. I know exactly where
Speaker 1: I went. I went down to Tribeca. My buddy had
Speaker 1: a restaurant and I went out.
Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 1: I remember in the middle of the night waking up
Speaker 1: and I had to go to the bathroom and I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, I had blood. I had a cut
Speaker 1: and my pillow was like covered in blood. And uh
Speaker 1: I just like I had this thought about something, I
Speaker 1: could feel something happening. I wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and I get into the Rangers sent town cars for us,
Speaker 1: Like that's how we would get to the practice.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like literally a black Town cars in front of
Speaker 1: your building. You just walk outside and they drive you
Speaker 1: to the rink. And Manny was the driver, and he
Speaker 1: had heard because he drove our GM. He had already
Speaker 1: dropped off our GM. So I think there was a
Speaker 1: phone call. Long story short, they changed the rule overnight,
Speaker 1: like they put an official release out. I think they
Speaker 1: thought it was so it was dangerous for the game
Speaker 1: or something, or it was so radical that everyone was
Speaker 1: in agreement on both sides unofficially maybe, although no one
Speaker 1: ever asked me. I never got a call they changed
Speaker 1: the rule. The rule was changed that next day. So
Speaker 1: moving forward, like in the series and all the other
Speaker 1: series with the other teams playing for the Lord Stanley's Cup,
Speaker 1: the rule was changed, and no one ever told me
Speaker 1: why or how they did it. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I was moving way too fast, and I wish I
Speaker 1: had a fucking stopped, and like said, hey, can somebody
Speaker 1: just kind of put something on paper here so I
Speaker 1: can frame it? Maybe just kind of let's mark this thing,
Speaker 1: and and but no, I you know, I was in
Speaker 1: the middle of a series. Also, yeah, we had we
Speaker 1: had to play game four and now we're in a
Speaker 1: series because they beat us in ot so we're two
Speaker 1: to one.
Speaker 2: Now, how did the hockey world take this? Dude? Everyone
Speaker 2: hated me so much.
Speaker 1: That I think, like other teams and shit, everyone was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, no, you got to make you know.
Speaker 1: There was no nobody stood up and said, hey, you
Speaker 1: can't do this right. Yeah, And I'm in the middle
Speaker 1: of a series and like I had to figure out
Speaker 1: how to now not take a penalty again in game four? Yeah,
Speaker 1: with bro Dure because it wasn't gonna stop.
Speaker 3: Any players from other teams text you or anything. Anyone
Speaker 3: text you, dude. Two thousand and eight, was I on
Speaker 3: a sidekick keyboard? Yeah? Yeah, the seven iPhone came out.
Speaker 1: All right, so I was on a first gen iPhone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, again, I can't even remember really, like I I
Speaker 1: remember where I went after the game that night.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what the boy said to you on
Speaker 2: the bench afterwards? I remember what.
Speaker 1: Chris Drewy said. I can still you know Madison Square
Speaker 1: Gardens lowed. Yeah, like to have a player come up
Speaker 1: beside you, your teammate and whisper or sort of not
Speaker 1: whisper but kind of like yell in your ear because
Speaker 1: he's got to get over he's got a fuck.
Speaker 2: It's chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be like stopping in a play, in the middle
Speaker 1: of a play a route and having a conversation with
Speaker 1: a guy and then like finishing the route. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we're you know, we play a sport which is
Speaker 1: somewhat weird where we go really fast at times, but
Speaker 1: then at times we're all stopped. Yeah, standing still playing
Speaker 1: tic tac toe with a ball with like a puck.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that way. But no, I can't remember what
Speaker 1: anybody said, who knows?
Speaker 2: Have you ever talked to Bordeu about it? Later? I have,
Speaker 2: like what's his name? I like this?
Speaker 1: It sounds like South Park almost, by the way. Fun
Speaker 1: fact about Martin Brodure. His dad was a world famous
Speaker 1: photographer for the Montreal Canadians. Like he was the in
Speaker 1: house photographer for the Forum in Montreal, which uh you know,
Speaker 1: I think Ali fought there. Like his dad was was
Speaker 1: Canadian royalty and his son now just played his first
Speaker 1: game as a goalie for the New Jersey Devils.
Speaker 2: Wow, good guys.
Speaker 3: If one if if one's a hockey goalie, one's a
Speaker 3: you know, photography, got a good eye. Right, you're right,
Speaker 3: you're you see ship that's wild. Probably eat the carrots,
Speaker 3: a lot of carrots. Vitamin A yeah, yeah, good for
Speaker 3: your eyes. You gotta make a comebacks. You can score
Speaker 3: in his kid. So yeah, imagine we're talking little he's
Speaker 3: gonna go up in there.
Speaker 2: There you go there. It is a little nash like hockey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. I'm trying to keep him away from
Speaker 1: it for a little bit. They can play like I
Speaker 1: started when I was eight. Yeah, you know, but you
Speaker 1: grew up around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we played like Yeah, they don't do that
Speaker 3: here though, Right, you grew up in Laurel Canyon. You
Speaker 3: can't fucking put the skates on. And he'll play backyard hockey.
Speaker 1: On No, No, there's too many hills. No, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Yeah, he'll play. Wow, what
Speaker 1: is this? This is?
Speaker 5: Let's let's hear the aftermath, every rule, wrap this thing up.
Speaker 5: There were eleven penalties in the second period.
Speaker 2: Uh. The Devil's got two power play goals.
Speaker 5: Then Dominski tied it up again in the third uh,
Speaker 5: and then an ot John Madden Boom scored the game
Speaker 5: winning goal.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: In the Devil's took game three, and then the Avery
Speaker 5: rule came into effect.
Speaker 2: As we just spoke about, Oh my god, I don't
Speaker 2: even remember there's seventy five point one the amendment.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, but the w NBCTV cameras, so now
Speaker 1: I remember what that picture was from, or there's like
Speaker 1: a video. Holy shit, dude, my fucking brain just exploded.
Speaker 1: You know, you remember things like yeah that you didn't yeah,
Speaker 1: because you it's it's people want to say, because you
Speaker 1: probably played a contact sports.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my ct Yeah. But it's more.
Speaker 3: About I think that you have so many other things
Speaker 3: going on in your life.
Speaker 2: It's like a processor. You get too much gigabytes, you
Speaker 2: forget about.
Speaker 1: Also at this point, when you're in the middle of
Speaker 1: a series, like do you remember, do you remember what?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 1: And from game one of what nfcas to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Final, like the narrative and piecing all those.
Speaker 3: It'd be more like do I remember a play from
Speaker 3: a certain game? Because you guys have so many games, right,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of times where I don't remember,
Speaker 3: but someone will come on and we'll talk about and
Speaker 3: then it reunites thatthing like you just exploded.
Speaker 1: I just felt that it's a deja vu, but it's
Speaker 1: not okay. So the next day I went to practice.
Speaker 1: I had probably just found out an hour before. When
Speaker 1: I got in the town car. I get to practice.
Speaker 1: All the fucking cameras are there. They're all like lined
Speaker 1: up because the NHL is issued an amendment to the
Speaker 1: unsportsman like Conduct rule, which seventy five had probably an amendment.
Speaker 1: It's like that's like the Constitution moother shit. For Fox's sakes.
Speaker 1: It probably hadn't been changed in seventy years, who knows.
Speaker 1: So the cameras are all there, and I come out
Speaker 1: and the first thing I do I skate up to
Speaker 1: hammera row and I just fucking flipped them the verge
Speaker 1: like I think with my glove on. Actually is the picture?
Speaker 1: Holy fuck man? I so yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 1: really out of control, clearly, and I haven't even I've
Speaker 1: never read it. Here it is, and then sportsmanlike conduct
Speaker 1: minor penalty will be interpreted and applied effective immediately to
Speaker 1: a situation. This is the amendment, by the way, that's
Speaker 1: a long amendment to a situation. When an offensive player
Speaker 1: positions himself facing the opposition goaltender and engages in actions
Speaker 1: such as waving his arms or stick in front of
Speaker 1: the goaltender's face for the purpose of improperly interfering with
Speaker 1: and or distracting the goaltender as opposed to positioning himself
Speaker 1: to try and make a play. A Colon Campbell, the
Speaker 1: NHL director of Hopey Hockey Operations, said in a statement,
Speaker 1: how the fuck did they write that overnight?
Speaker 2: That that's like wild?
Speaker 5: They got a lot of lawyers because that says a
Speaker 5: lot of different things, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Basically you can't like do anything in the goalie space anymore?
Speaker 2: Or what's distracting?
Speaker 1: That's an amendment? I've never read that. That is you
Speaker 1: not an a amendment. That is your amendment? Holy fuck,
Speaker 1: for the purpose of improperly interfering with and or distracting
Speaker 1: the goaltender as opposed to positioning him himself to try
Speaker 1: and make a play. Oh I see, Oh, I see,
Speaker 1: you get it?
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of what do you see?
Speaker 1: I see another loophole to a loophole somewhere. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just there's a loophole somewhere. Now is
Speaker 1: this the original one?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: If you get penalized, are you gonna do you have
Speaker 1: like a little court right there with the ref like
Speaker 1: with the loophole, yea, how can you explain the loophole? Well,
Speaker 1: what's interesting? And so this is seventy five point one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rule seventy five point one unsportsmanlike conduct. This is the
Speaker 1: original one. Unsportsmanlike conduct. Players in non plane club personnel
Speaker 1: are responsible for their conduct at all times and must
Speaker 1: endeavor to prevent disorderly conduct before, during, or after the game,
Speaker 1: hon or off the ice in any place in the rank.
Speaker 1: The referees may assess penalties. Okay, so that's just like
Speaker 1: a general thing, like you can't be an asshole, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: there must be seventy five point two and things like that.
Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, that breaks it down a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you can't yell at fans directly maybe things like that.
Speaker 1: That amendment's wild. That is unbelievable. Wow, Wow, thank you
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: I doesn't feel like to like have the league move
Speaker 2: that quick for something you did. Well. Now, it was
Speaker 2: the first time.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I swear to God that I can kind of
Speaker 1: look at it and just put it all into like
Speaker 1: a box, like I can I sort of see all
Speaker 1: of it and when it happened now I kind of
Speaker 1: feel and understand it. I mean I was fucking out
Speaker 1: of control, clearly. That amendment is that is the wildest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever read. That Is it called an amendment
Speaker 1: or we just given it the name amendments somewhere right, yeah, everywhere?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The NHL issued an amendment to the Unsportsmanlike Conduct rule
Speaker 1: to cover the situation.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened to I'm just a bi gap.
Speaker 3: Remember those things. Yeah, you get to go to Capitol Hill.
Speaker 3: This thing got right there. Executive or executive order order. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was an executive or executive ordered.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can write them and and that's your day
Speaker 1: to just go.
Speaker 3: You just there's no let it rip like Roger for
Speaker 3: our league commission, there's a rule where he could. It's
Speaker 3: like basically he can do whatever he wants rule what day?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Or just any time anytime veto you can't he's got
Speaker 1: he's the last veto on anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or.
Speaker 1: Nobody can actually veto anything that he does, right. Kind
Speaker 1: of this is also puts this whole thing into perspective
Speaker 1: because like we went on to win the series, am
Speaker 1: I let it rip? Then we lost quickly to Pittsburgh's
Speaker 1: Sydney Crosby.
Speaker 2: Kyler's team.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the start of their little run, the
Speaker 8: losing to the Red Wings Flurry. Yeah, Malkin, what a team,
Speaker 8: Max Talbot, let's haang, great team. How fucking go the
Speaker 8: biggest defenseman I have ever played against in my life.
Speaker 8: Like he was huge, he was a giant man on skates.
Speaker 8: And he gets the puck in the corner. Game three,
Speaker 8: it was the first period and I'm at the blue line.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm gonna fucking kill hal Gil. This is
Speaker 8: my time to kill hal Gil. I go one hundred
Speaker 8: miles an hour at hal Gil and hit him dead
Speaker 8: square on, like I try and kill hal Gil. Hal
Speaker 8: Gil stands there and I bounce off.
Speaker 1: Of him, and I'm like thinking to myself, I think
Speaker 1: I just tore my abdominal. Okay, I was dead. I
Speaker 1: thought I tore my abdominal. I went back to the
Speaker 1: bench rammer or trainer, I said, I tore my abdominal.
Speaker 1: I need a tor it All shot in between periods.
Speaker 1: So we go in. He gives me a tourd All shot.
Speaker 1: And so there's two on the day. This second one
Speaker 1: too quick to get a second one yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we lose Game three. I am assume. I don't even
Speaker 1: fucking know. I can't even remember that. Finishing the game,
Speaker 1: I went into the cold tub after the game, and
Speaker 1: the moment I got into the cold tub, I felt
Speaker 1: like somebody stabbed me in my shoulder. And Doc Feldman,
Speaker 1: our team doctor, was four feet away and he saw it.
Speaker 1: And the moment he saw it, he was like, get him,
Speaker 1: get your clothes on, get him dressed, and we got
Speaker 1: to go to the hospital. And they took me to
Speaker 1: the hospital in the back of a cab. I guess
Speaker 1: that is one of the referrals of a lacerated spleen.
Speaker 1: I last rated my spleen on that hit that I
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna kill hal Gil actually almost killed me.
Speaker 1: And I spent four days in ICEU of Saint Vincent's,
Speaker 1: which is not even a hospital anymore. They tore it down,
Speaker 1: where a majority of the gays in New York during
Speaker 1: the AIDS crisis died in this hospital. A It was
Speaker 1: a really like symbolic, like deep hospital and I almost
Speaker 1: died in that hospital. So that was the end of
Speaker 1: the fucking season. That was just like that, that whole run.
Speaker 1: That's how hard it went. It was going so hard
Speaker 1: and I and I, yeah, I almost died because I
Speaker 1: had this type of laceration that it was a squirting laceration.
Speaker 2: So we got a squirter, I got We had a squirter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had to keep going in and cauterizing,
Speaker 1: trying to cauterize. You gotta burn it, but you can't.
Speaker 1: They could only see it when it was squirting, so
Speaker 1: they had to keep going in four or five times
Speaker 1: over four days.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, brutal. You know.
Speaker 3: The aftermath of the Averrull game, the hockey guy said, hey, hey, son, can.
Speaker 1: I tell you one more funny story about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: I was in the ICU still and uh. I had
Speaker 1: a friend, not even a romantic friend, a girl by
Speaker 1: the name of May Anderson, who was like a Danish supermodel.
Speaker 1: She was She was incredible, she is. May was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was with another girl friend of mine, Lauren Flynn,
Speaker 1: and Jim Dolan, who owns the New York Rangers and
Speaker 1: the New York Next He won't let me into the
Speaker 1: stadium gohead really yeah, we got I got Celtics courts,
Speaker 1: I'd see twins and he wouldn't let me go facial
Speaker 1: Well he's got facial recognition now, so you're fucked. Charles
Speaker 1: oak Bro Yeah, best owner in sports. I love playing
Speaker 1: for Dolan. Let me just get that straight right now. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can go to the ship. He came and visited
Speaker 1: me at the hospital and May Anderson was sleeping in
Speaker 1: my hospital bed with me in it, just like because
Speaker 1: there's no beds in there, and she's tiny. She got
Speaker 1: the end. She's on the end of the bed sort
Speaker 1: of like I don't I'm almost dying. And Jim Dolan
Speaker 1: walked in and that's the scene that he walked in on.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, Jim you guys really bluebo Jimbo. He had
Speaker 1: a laugh ga sense of humor, be like be like
Speaker 1: craft walking in. Yeah, you got it. Light the mood,
Speaker 1: the mood, light the mood. Light in the mood is right, Jesus.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1: All right, let's score the game. Still, dude, you guys
Speaker 1: just saw my brain explode on here. So yeah, name
Speaker 1: the game. Let's name the game. This is the averall game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciated game.
Speaker 3: Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 3: Let's score it stakes zero to ten stakes of this
Speaker 3: game decimal's okay, Sean all right.
Speaker 1: So Messier guaranteed a Game seven win against the New
Speaker 1: Jersey Devils. They went on to win the Stanley Cup
Speaker 1: in ninety four. So as far as the Battle of
Speaker 1: the Hudson goes, it's second place.
Speaker 2: Uh what does that mean? It's an eight.
Speaker 9: It's nice, all right, Yeah, that's a pro score. Pro
Speaker 9: Score just had Danny DeVito on the show. He's producing
Speaker 9: a show with Mark Messi about Game sevens. They covered
Speaker 9: that game in it.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, oh I oh, yes, I've seen this. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to watch it. Yeah, good, it's good. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna score it a. I'll give it a eight
Speaker 1: point one. It's playoff game, playoff game game. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of heat there. You got a little rivalry cross
Speaker 1: town or whatever cross six.
Speaker 5: Point slightly Russian judge of me, Jax a hater a
Speaker 5: little bit later, sorry six point jack.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing over here. I'm just wild.
Speaker 3: I just don't let them. I just don't let him
Speaker 3: get off the ground. That's a good score. Star power
Speaker 3: zero to ten decimls. Okay, the people that played in it.
Speaker 3: Maybe the people that are at it, I mean the
Speaker 3: star power. Oh yeah, oh, hall of famers.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, this this is a this could compete with with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was Liam Neeson. We had some big Margot Robbie
Speaker 1: I think was at that game. If you go to
Speaker 1: wire image nice, give it an eight point wire I'll
Speaker 1: give it an eight point nine.
Speaker 5: Let me get some watermark star you're in New York, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I give you.
Speaker 2: I give you eight five. Rangers rosters stacked legend.
Speaker 3: Mine's a little biased because I don't know hockey guys
Speaker 3: that well. So like if I knew the the amount
Speaker 3: of studs on this as much as a five is nice,
Speaker 3: it's yeah.
Speaker 2: I forgot Margot Robbie such a big Ranger fan. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of seven point eight. I had an eight
Speaker 2: point one.
Speaker 1: Nice the game player of the game one to ten decimals, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: A lot of penalties, A lot of penalties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really nice. It was like Americana. I'll
Speaker 1: go in eight one. I'm like that eight five again,
Speaker 1: because I mean we got a fucking rule name after
Speaker 1: the game time, No seven, I went seven to four.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta you got a grade the name of
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: Every rule game, av rule game. Good.
Speaker 1: It's so cultural history. Like people know this fucking game.
Speaker 1: And I've told people that I'm having you on, like
Speaker 1: my hockey friends. Yeah, and they go, what game you doing.
Speaker 1: I go, I'm doing We're doing the Aver rule game.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, fuck that motherfucker. Yeah. It's like I
Speaker 1: guess I could die knowing. Like I mean, Jordan had
Speaker 1: a flu game. It was it was an identifiable game.
Speaker 1: That's this game, right that, I mean the rule game.
Speaker 3: The Constitution of Hockey passed in an amendment and an
Speaker 3: executive decision to pass an.
Speaker 2: Amendment for this rule because of this game. Because of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the name of this game. Yeah. Let me
Speaker 1: let me go.
Speaker 2: I'll go a nine one, I'll go a flat nine. Okay.
Speaker 3: I like it because and my test to that is
Speaker 3: because I I have like a select few hockey friends, right,
Speaker 3: and I go, I just throughout that we're doing the
Speaker 3: Avery game.
Speaker 1: Oh, everyone knew it. You know, those are these generally
Speaker 1: high scores.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be game. It's gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 2: I was eight too here again too low. You can't
Speaker 2: call the history of the NHL without the Sean Ay,
Speaker 2: that's right, baby, sir.
Speaker 4: Eight.
Speaker 3: So it's eight one. Where does that stack up in
Speaker 3: all the games we've done?
Speaker 2: A point one zero? That puts us right here. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be our twenty seventh game overalls, just above UFC
Speaker 2: two twenty nine could be Bruce McGregor, and just below
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Western Conference Playoffs game six
Speaker 2: Mas versus Warriors, Mark Cuban and Dana White, good company.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'll take that. What a what a what a list?
Speaker 1: Look at that list? Holy shit, hockey games, man, some games.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's a very healthy spot to be in.
Speaker 1: That is actually, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's our that's our second highest ranked I believe hockey game.
Speaker 5: This is the travesty, right behind Miracle on Ice America
Speaker 5: and Ice four.
Speaker 2: Overall we have three Patriots games.
Speaker 1: We know you guys have a little bit of American
Speaker 1: bias for sure, not a little.
Speaker 2: That's a wilder.
Speaker 1: When I look at that list and you got the
Speaker 1: Miracle on Ice at four, Wow.
Speaker 2: What is a travesty? Here's I'm looking at this. The
Speaker 2: twenty eleven Stand Cup Final Game seven Bruins Canucks is
Speaker 2: fiftieth the Riots. Yeah yeah, let alone.
Speaker 1: But what was twenty eleven Mavericks versus Heat? Was that
Speaker 1: a good series game?
Speaker 2: Six? That's just okay? Mark Mark Cuban came in and
Speaker 2: scored it outrageous. Got it revamped. Our scoring system became
Speaker 2: after we had to read that's why we started the
Speaker 2: number game and it was like this is oh he's
Speaker 2: a marketing genius, my god system. So we used to
Speaker 2: just do the score B and then we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: jewels scores, we score. He scored just too with it. Well,
Speaker 2: he knows how to do.
Speaker 5: He knows the algoid's wild.
Speaker 2: Wow, sha we miss anything from this game?
Speaker 1: Uh, dude, I wish cameo was around back then. You
Speaker 1: know how many fucking cameos I would have gone.
Speaker 2: They had merch outside of the stadium, didn't I already
Speaker 2: selling a bootleg? Yeah, I'm one of my friends. Do
Speaker 2: I see your camera? Lot?
Speaker 1: People love? Sean Avery cameos. Sean Avery cameos. I just
Speaker 1: told uh a loving husband that he was welcoming a
Speaker 1: new child to the family, second child. I do everything
Speaker 1: I break up, I said, divorce notices. I fucking you
Speaker 1: got anything you want cleaned up? I can do it
Speaker 1: on cameo. Yeah, so everyone Sean avery on cameo.
Speaker 3: Just go and watch them. They're fun to just be
Speaker 3: very fun to watch. Out all his TikTok Instagram pages.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, TikTok. Yeah, TikTok.
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Sean avery At, I'm Sean Avery. I am Sean Avery.
Speaker 3: Fucking fun. Thanks man, I appreciate you coming on, dude.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, appreciate it. Guys. Thanks great, ma'am. We
Speaker 2: need more hockey, guys, love mysole. Hey, hit the nail
Speaker 2: on the head, brother, lovable asshole. I told you you're right.
Speaker 2: You just he's just unfiltered.
Speaker 3: Like if he says something, he'll say it right to
Speaker 3: your face what he believes, and no one's off limits.
Speaker 2: Hey, he keeps his it's right, there's some respect behind that.
Speaker 2: I messed with it, man.
Speaker 5: A person that could do that built a career off
Speaker 5: that fucking past standing on business. He's a beast.
Speaker 2: I loved him.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm trying to come to the block parties, man,
Speaker 5: the block part roll through his I'm trying to roll
Speaker 5: through the LORDL Canyon.
Speaker 2: Maybe little canyon man, block parties. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Property values just went up knowing that Sean Avery's in
Speaker 5: the neighborhood keeping it safe.
Speaker 1: He keeps gosh, I don't know, exacting like a hot
Speaker 1: but guy, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: It does feel safe having him up there. I felt
Speaker 2: safer with him in the in the in the room.
Speaker 1: Here our beef with affleck like practically squatched, knowing that
Speaker 1: Sean's on our side. Now with that a doubt, with
Speaker 1: that a doubt. That was a fun episode.
Speaker 2: If I'm getting in like a bar fight once shown
Speaker 2: on My Team.
Speaker 3: Brawl, He's getting a pool stick, he's breaking a bottle,
Speaker 3: jabbing someone like, getting him in the gut.
Speaker 2: That's how you gotta do it. Maybe, yeah, hey, all
Speaker 2: is fair.
Speaker 1: The art of what he say, uh oh, mask, it's right.
Speaker 3: I mean the one goalie or the one ref to
Speaker 3: the two refs. He's like, yeah, you know, two refs
Speaker 3: is a little tough.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, two sets of eyes out there watching you. Man.
Speaker 2: That was fun. That was awesome, awesome.
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys. So I'm a big Patriots fan, of course,
Speaker 7: and I lived through both dynasties. And one thing that
Speaker 7: they both had in common is of reliable passing down
Speaker 7: running back.
Speaker 2: So Jules played with both Kevin Falk.
Speaker 7: And H James White, and then Shanebourine was in the middle.
Speaker 7: I was wondering if you could compare and contrast them
Speaker 7: on the field and off the field.
Speaker 3: Thank you, wow, little scatbag love Well. Kevin Falk was
Speaker 3: like the innovator, uh, Kevin Falk had. We used to
Speaker 3: have a drill where you worked on your jump cuts
Speaker 3: in the off season with like ropes and ship and
Speaker 3: we used to call it the k Falk droll because
Speaker 3: he had such a good cutback. And people don't realize
Speaker 3: he's like I think n C two, a punt returner,
Speaker 3: like holds all the records. He was a monster. I
Speaker 3: learned a lot through from Kevin through like returning punts.
Speaker 3: I remember he used to teach me early on in
Speaker 3: my career.
Speaker 2: He was he was.
Speaker 3: He was only on the tail part of his career.
Speaker 3: When I was there, he was like one of the
Speaker 3: smartest players.
Speaker 2: He knew everything.
Speaker 3: You could tell he's been he'd been around for a while,
Speaker 3: and he had such a pedigree. He had so many
Speaker 3: big plays and he made a lot of big plays
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: That fourth and two.
Speaker 3: Against that was a first down against uh Indianapolis down.
Speaker 2: That was That was too k Falk.
Speaker 3: That and Kevin Falk was like the innovator of we
Speaker 3: of putting the running back in the slot.
Speaker 2: He could run routes in the slot.
Speaker 3: I mean, we used to have formations name off after
Speaker 3: Tiger LSU Tiger which put the you know, the h
Speaker 3: over in the slot over here. Like there was a
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff that was because of Kevin Falk. He
Speaker 3: was kind of like the innovator of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Shane Vereen hold on before we move on from Kevin
Speaker 2: fuck Marshall Fuwx's cousin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marshall Falk's cousin, which Marshall Falk the thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's every like it's crazy. And Kate Falk
Speaker 3: was such an awesome veteran to be around. I loved
Speaker 3: Kate Falke. I owe him a lot he you know,
Speaker 3: I was I didn't know how to catch punts and shit,
Speaker 3: and and Bill would like he would like in organized
Speaker 3: team activities and mini camps and stuff, he'd like walk
Speaker 3: around you and make you nervous right when you were
Speaker 3: catching punts.
Speaker 2: And Kay Falk would always talk me off the ledge.
Speaker 2: So I love Kate Falk.
Speaker 3: Shane Verene one of my roommates, one of my favorite guys.
Speaker 3: He was just he was also the one thing in
Speaker 3: common with all of these guys. They were all really smart,
Speaker 3: smart guys, really smart football players, really great in protections
Speaker 3: because they're running back.
Speaker 2: They had they did it.
Speaker 3: They ran a lot of routes, but they also had
Speaker 3: to like know their protections. And all those guys could
Speaker 3: lay the wood and and pick up those linebackers and
Speaker 3: knew the protections very well. And then James White, you
Speaker 3: know Shane, I mean, he was just a great football
Speaker 3: player and he ended up leaving us, but huge part
Speaker 3: of why we won in fourteen at the record reception records.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it was beat by James White.
Speaker 3: You know, uh, you know, James White, like one of
Speaker 3: the best professionals, didn't say much when he talked.
Speaker 2: You knew it was. It was somewhat.
Speaker 3: It was important you listened because you didn't hear him talk,
Speaker 3: which he's doing great on TV right now. He's on
Speaker 3: the Big ten network, I believe, and he's killing it.
Speaker 3: I love watching him. I love listening to him on
Speaker 3: social Uh. But I think in order to play that
Speaker 3: position for us, those were all some of our smart
Speaker 3: this guys on our team.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They all worked extremely hard, so they all had a
Speaker 3: lot of the same.
Speaker 2: Shout out the money Down Podcast, James.
Speaker 1: Money Down Podcast. All right, I got money down, money down.
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Speaker 2: The Money Down Podcast. Oh, James, Jorge, that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: All right, good time for two more. Here we go.
Speaker 2: That was a good question.
Speaker 10: Hi everyone, I'm Angela from Dallas, Texas. Longtime listener, first
Speaker 10: time caller. In a few episodes, Julian has mentioned the
Speaker 10: Formula one. Is he F one fan or in general
Speaker 10: a fan of auto racing? I think it would be
Speaker 10: great if games with Names featured a F one race.
Speaker 2: Thank you F one fan. I wouldn't call like.
Speaker 3: The whole Netflix thing you got everyone excited about, and
Speaker 3: I loved. I love that old movie what was it Rush?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not old old.
Speaker 3: That's ten years old now, bro, that's probably ten fifteen
Speaker 3: years old. Okay, when they talked about Ricky Lauda and
Speaker 3: Sam Hunt loved that story. I love race movies. I
Speaker 3: love Nascar. I like Nascar a little more than I
Speaker 3: like Formula one because I'm American. Okay, it seems a
Speaker 3: little more equal, Like the richest team in F one
Speaker 3: always wins. I love watching those guys. I love seeing
Speaker 3: the little feuds between what's.
Speaker 1: The the guy for Red Bull in one?
Speaker 3: Scott, what's the main guy? He's like the number one
Speaker 3: guy verse stopping. I just know that I got a
Speaker 3: bunch of watch it and I love it. And uh, who's.
Speaker 2: Danny? Uh?
Speaker 3: Daniel Daniel Riccardo. We've we have crossover, we have some
Speaker 3: mutual friends. So yeah, I know I I know his
Speaker 3: story a little bit that I think that would be cool.
Speaker 3: I would love to get a racer on just to
Speaker 3: pick their brain on how they how they like prepare.
Speaker 2: And you know there's all.
Speaker 3: These YouTube videos of of like in documentaries of how
Speaker 3: these guys prepare for their reaction and stuff, and actually
Speaker 3: have met in What's is Lewis Hamilton again?
Speaker 2: I met Mercedes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like it's always it's crazy, but I I
Speaker 1: I definitely respect those guys.
Speaker 2: Those guys are crazy, they're athletes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I, uh, but I'm more I would say
Speaker 3: I'm more of a nascargo, more of a core trick,
Speaker 3: cold trickle kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Hit me no call, he rubbed you. Rubbing is racing,
Speaker 2: all right, Angela, why do you send us back a
Speaker 2: game or a match or a race that we should do, Like,
Speaker 2: send us some more racist.
Speaker 3: I think I might do the jap the nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: nine Japan one when Ricky Lauda didn't race after his Like,
Speaker 3: we could do that one. It's the same. It's pretty
Speaker 3: much the movie the movie tam Hunt had to win qualify.
Speaker 3: It was a ballsy move, all right. Only only you
Speaker 3: tire heads would know.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, great episode with how we long really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: I have got a question for you, what about possibly
Speaker 4: having Stephen Ridley on as a guest? I think that
Speaker 4: would be fun. Thanks bye one.
Speaker 2: He's been around lately.
Speaker 3: He's been around. Yeah, yeah, we uh quick fun story
Speaker 3: about me and Rid. And by the way, Howie was
Speaker 3: so fun. He makes I feel like, you know, put
Speaker 3: a good performance around him. He's like a dad figure
Speaker 3: at work.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you don't want this my dad, you know,
Speaker 3: because I have some of the I'm friends with his son,
Speaker 3: so it's like one of your boys.
Speaker 2: Did they say anything after, like, oh we did? Okay, clear,
Speaker 2: I haven't heard back. Haven't heard me and Chris talk,
Speaker 2: but we don't. I don't know. I always forget what
Speaker 2: we talk about. You gotta get Chris back in this year.
Speaker 3: We gotta get christ and Kyle. He's my favorite one.
Speaker 3: He's my favorite guy. I love Kyle.
Speaker 2: We gotta get HOIGHI long Junior, see what I don't know?
Speaker 2: The Raiders sales departments up too. Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: But getting back to Rid.
Speaker 3: Just had Rid at the house post fire two days
Speaker 3: after bring him out. Probably shouldn't be going where we
Speaker 3: were going towards Pala States. All of a sudden, and
Speaker 3: we and people are looking at us. You know, we're
Speaker 3: driving in Brentwood and and and like Santa Monica, the
Speaker 3: like north of Montana. People are looking at us. We
Speaker 3: have like masks on run fucking Super seventy three. He's
Speaker 3: looking at us like we're looters. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: we're going by two people and I look in the
Speaker 3: corner of my eye. Rid is trying to show off
Speaker 3: and going like sidewalk through a jump because he's really
Speaker 3: like supermoto cross kind of guy, and fucking does this.
Speaker 3: I look at the corner, mind, I just see Ridley
Speaker 3: parallel with the side sidewalk and it's it. He goes, oh,
Speaker 3: he fucking fell off the bike. I was like, and
Speaker 3: so I couldn't stop laughing in front of people. I'm like, see,
Speaker 3: we're not looters, We're just regular people. It was fucking crazy,
Speaker 3: But yeah, we got to get rid of le On.
Speaker 3: It'd be a real fun episode. Cool, great voicemails. You
Speaker 3: gotta keep them coming, guys. Those are some really in
Speaker 3: depth questions. What was her name from?
Speaker 2: Uh, Angela Angela, Angela Angela?
Speaker 3: And then who was the we didn't get a name
Speaker 3: for the We didn't get a name for the running
Speaker 3: back we need?
Speaker 2: We had a questions running back the show before? Who
Speaker 2: have we had a pat patriot running back on the
Speaker 2: show before?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but we have to get we have
Speaker 3: we have some guys that we gotta get on.
Speaker 2: We need to do that.
Speaker 3: We got to get kave Halkong guys. Keep them coming.
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