Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. This is Mick Shot
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Mickey Spagnola. And it is a Tuesday at high
Speaker 1: noon inside the SWBC podcast studio here at the Beautiful
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, and we have
Speaker 1: upgraded the Everson Walls position as Jess Navarrez is here
Speaker 1: for today and tomorrow for special editions of Mick Shots.
Speaker 1: Welcome Jess, Thank you, Thank you guys so much. It's
Speaker 1: so exciting to be able to join the show and
Speaker 1: hopefully bring a little bit different perspective. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I'm upgrade to ever since, but hey, I'm definitely different.
Speaker 1: At least you're here. Yes, it In fact, that's where
Speaker 1: I was going first, because I asked just when she
Speaker 1: uh when I got here five minutes ago. I asked
Speaker 1: how long as she's been here? And she had gotten
Speaker 1: here early, and I was thinking, what a sharp contrast
Speaker 1: to our Pro Bowl cornerback. Oh no, by the way, yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's okay, No, no, yesterday, it's all in fun. Yeah, yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know we had the regular crew in here and
Speaker 1: on all the shows on Monday. We got the email
Speaker 1: last week and for some reason our interception King didn't
Speaker 1: wasn't here yesterday, Mickey, Mickey, what's wrong with your headsets?
Speaker 1: The same thing they were turned on? Oh ye help
Speaker 1: the show before us messed him up, always the guy
Speaker 1: before it is. All I did was put him on.
Speaker 1: You're ready to start mix shots with a mix shot? Mickey, Uh,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, Noel, sounds like you're ready to
Speaker 1: fire off at somebody about your headset that maybe we
Speaker 1: need a mix shot. Was a good time. It was
Speaker 1: a good hour ago. When I was driving here and
Speaker 1: it was a little bit late and everybody was going
Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour. I was driving slow over here.
Speaker 1: I did feel that it's like hold on, hold hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, Mick, there's three lanes.
Speaker 1: Dick can't hear you because there's something over with his
Speaker 1: head said that his head said, I produced the same
Speaker 1: thing that happened. Need to now go, Mick said again.
Speaker 1: They put on the bluetooth. Who did whoever? Was before us.
Speaker 1: Oh so I want to hear about the traffic problem?
Speaker 1: Solved it, I just cut people off. Oh okay, oh man,
Speaker 1: all right, all right. Producer Supreme is now entered the
Speaker 1: studio to fix Mickey's bluetooth, said probably there we go
Speaker 1: Jame's headset. Now, now we're ready for the show. Mickey welcome,
Speaker 1: Mickey welcome, No, welcome, Justice up with every day. It's
Speaker 1: all right, No, it's all good. I've grown up watching y'all.
Speaker 1: And and my dad's a big I was telling Nicky
Speaker 1: before you when you were stepping out that my dad
Speaker 1: is fan girling over the fact that I'm on this show,
Speaker 1: real fan girling completely. So now where are you from?
Speaker 1: Originally LUs Chris is New Mexico. I moved here about
Speaker 1: where Dad is. That's where dad is. Dad's hanging out
Speaker 1: right now and probably watching Hello Dad, Hello Dad. So
Speaker 1: when you opened the phone lines tomorrow, he's got a call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. See and he was loved. At least we'll
Speaker 1: have one caller. That's like. That's like when we first
Speaker 1: started working together, Mickey and me, which was I mean,
Speaker 1: they started up the Cowboys, started up the Cowboys channel,
Speaker 1: which was just on Comcast Cable at the time. It
Speaker 1: was prior to the NFL network two thousand and three
Speaker 1: or two thousand and four, two thousand and four, okay,
Speaker 1: and we had programming all day long, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure we only had two viewers, and that would be
Speaker 1: my mom and dad in Irvings. I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. There was my mom and dad were
Speaker 1: the only ones watching us. Well, I'll let me tell you,
Speaker 1: better not make any mistakes because last Saturday at the
Speaker 1: Star Sports Tour reception, I had a lot of people
Speaker 1: talking about they don't miss this podcast. Oh really, So
Speaker 1: better be straight and narrow these folks because they're listening. Okay,
Speaker 1: very good. Okay. We've had some breaking news here within
Speaker 1: the last half hour in the National Football League as
Speaker 1: a trade was made a tight end and then and
Speaker 1: Mickey's looking quizzically because you've been talking to assistant coaches.
Speaker 1: You've been very busy. T J. Hawkinson from the lion
Speaker 1: Ends to the Vikings have a second chance to prove
Speaker 1: they can cover them. That's right, because that adn't cover
Speaker 1: them the first time. There's four catches. I love the
Speaker 1: optimism there. A couple of weeks away three weeks away
Speaker 1: a little less than three the Cowboys will travel to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Got Green Bay first after this bye week. Lions got
Speaker 1: in return a second and a third round draft pick
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, second twenty twenty four third. Lions also
Speaker 1: sending the Vikings a fourth round pick and a conditional fourth,
Speaker 1: so some moving and shaking is going on. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: was on the fan this morning, and how would you
Speaker 1: term his attitude towards the deadline at three o'clock this afternoon,
Speaker 1: sitting heavily on the fence, or they are on the
Speaker 1: railroad track, Yes, the railroad which was the quote, towards
Speaker 1: the end of it. And by the way, on the
Speaker 1: Hawkins and Trade this Producers Supreme just texted me Herb Smith.
Speaker 1: The Vikings tight ends expect to be sidelined eight to
Speaker 1: ten weeks with a high ankle spring, so there was
Speaker 1: the need for the what six and one Vikings to
Speaker 1: pick up Hopkinson. Jerry talked about being on the side
Speaker 1: of the railroad track and as the train goes by
Speaker 1: leading to three o'clock this afternoon, he'll be in position
Speaker 1: to grab the caboose. Right, did you understand the analogy?
Speaker 1: I kind of did Yeah, did you? I believe so,
Speaker 1: Meaning basically, he doesn't want to be the one chasing somebody.
Speaker 1: He wants someone to come to him and say, would
Speaker 1: you like this guy? Because it goes back to what
Speaker 1: Bob Ackles taught me long time ago about signing guys
Speaker 1: that are holding out for contracts. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: when's the last time you talked to so and so?
Speaker 1: He goes, it's been a month. I go, why don't
Speaker 1: you call him? He goes, because every time I pick
Speaker 1: up the phone, I'm spending money. They got to call me.
Speaker 1: And so that's the same thing with these trades. You
Speaker 1: want them to come to you, so you're not elevating like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm desperate, I gotta have this, and then they hold
Speaker 1: you hostage. And that's what the Lions did with the
Speaker 1: Vikings right there. And the Vikings they had a need
Speaker 1: and so they came calling that. I assume that's the way,
Speaker 1: especially within the division. Yeah, and so it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see if anything happens before three o'clock this afternoon.
Speaker 1: We're all anxiously awaiting. Yes we are. I mean I
Speaker 1: pulled back the curtain a little bit more. I was
Speaker 1: scheduled to tape the Coaches Show at eleven am this morning,
Speaker 1: and we got well, and I'm not saying that anything
Speaker 1: is happening, I think that, but justin case, just in case,
Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure they didn't have to come
Speaker 1: into the studio, Bill we have, we need the head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting, all right. So if they'll just
Speaker 1: pose this off, well, unless you've got some other news
Speaker 1: you want to go to first, either Mickey or Jess
Speaker 1: with anything that you not right, that was really okay,
Speaker 1: that's top of mind for everybody right now. Okay, as
Speaker 1: we are now less than three hours away. So if
Speaker 1: you are going to upgrade at a position, what position
Speaker 1: is an upgradable position? Well, I would say, uh, in
Speaker 1: lieu of basically losing Jordan Lewis for the remainder of
Speaker 1: the season with the Lisz franc fracture, that cornerback would
Speaker 1: be something that I'd be interested in looking at, seeing
Speaker 1: that the defense has played so well uh this year. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and this is nothing against Duran Bland, but one
Speaker 1: injury away think about it. Yeah, I mean, even even
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, you're playing a rookie fifth
Speaker 1: round draft pick at what is essentially a starting cornerback
Speaker 1: and hardest one to play. Maybe, and your other option
Speaker 1: is a I mean, if you look at the pecking
Speaker 1: order here, second year, second round draft pick last year
Speaker 1: or a third round uh, second year player from last year,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph or n Sean Wright. So to your point,
Speaker 1: you lose another cornerback and now you're playing one of
Speaker 1: those guys at an outside corner. And I'm not sure
Speaker 1: Calvin Joseph is ready. And you know Nashan Wright has
Speaker 1: been inactive until this past game, right, that was his
Speaker 1: first one this year. So yeah, if you find a
Speaker 1: somewhat veteran guy with some experience to bring in, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would beat out Durron Bland
Speaker 1: because I think Bland has played well he's anything but
Speaker 1: Bland very good. Yeah, yeah, I can see and you know,
Speaker 1: not giving up an arm in a leg either by
Speaker 1: the way, or a foot not a foot, definitely not
Speaker 1: a foot, right, I mean you can make the case.
Speaker 1: And in fact, we pose this question last week, Jess
Speaker 1: and this show's how smart we were. We all talked
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver position. Yeah, and Mickey just talked
Speaker 1: about it kids ever since, and I prompted him monitor
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Mickey's idea that they needed a great
Speaker 1: wide receiver. It was ours and so, but we didn't
Speaker 1: discuss defensive tackle. And then they turn around a couple
Speaker 1: of days later the trade they make was for Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 1: and then we're like, oh, yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Why didn't we think of that? Now, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought up the wide receiver corps because that's another conversation
Speaker 1: that has been happening a lot, is to strengthen the
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps with the amount of young players that
Speaker 1: are in it right now. And you've seen. I mean,
Speaker 1: the best analogy is you have Jason Peters, who's really
Speaker 1: mentored Tyler Smith and to be coming somebody who you
Speaker 1: really don't talk about a lot, which is a good thing,
Speaker 1: right especially with how the odds we're looking for him
Speaker 1: early on post Tyron Smith injury. So with that analogy,
Speaker 1: anytime you can get a veteran player in there, I
Speaker 1: think it's important. I think you know James Washington, obviously
Speaker 1: we don't know the time span of his return yet.
Speaker 1: It's it's still a little cloudy a little foggy, hopefully soon,
Speaker 1: but you don't know how quickly that can come. So
Speaker 1: if you can get a bit of an instant relief
Speaker 1: with the veteran player at the wide receiver corps, especially
Speaker 1: after the game Dak had on Sunday against the Bears
Speaker 1: and how heavily he's starting to rely on the pass game,
Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts at all. If you can
Speaker 1: get somebody for a cheap price, you can get somebody
Speaker 1: you know, not an arm, a leg or a foot,
Speaker 1: and you can get someone that can make an immediate impact.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what Marie Cooper did for this offense
Speaker 1: when that happened. So look at what he did for
Speaker 1: the offense last night. I know, I know what you
Speaker 1: end up with, matting salts of the wound by bringing
Speaker 1: him up. Am I not? I did see his numbers.
Speaker 1: He did throw an interception too, Yes he did, which
Speaker 1: that's why you don't trust wide receivers to throw the
Speaker 1: ball because nobody was open right forced it. Did you
Speaker 1: see did you see the maning cast on the interception? Didn't?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it live. I saw it tweeted out
Speaker 1: and they had Boomer a Siason on and so it
Speaker 1: was three quarterbacks, and so Boomer was talking talking about
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison or somebody, um when as the play was unfolding,
Speaker 1: and you see Peyton that their triple boxes on the
Speaker 1: left side. And so you see as the plays unfolding,
Speaker 1: you see Peyton at the top of the screen. You're going, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that. And then Boomer kept talking
Speaker 1: and then Eli had his you know, look that he
Speaker 1: always has what he threw it, what he threw it,
Speaker 1: interception especially, But but but Peyton was funny. Peyton was
Speaker 1: funny because he said, uh, he said, that's why you
Speaker 1: don't have wide receivers throw passes. He didn't really go
Speaker 1: through his he read the coverage and he threw its
Speaker 1: first option was there with that catch? That's right. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his stats right now. One hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty one yards, five touches on the ball, one touchdown,
Speaker 1: and he had an average of twenty six point two
Speaker 1: yards with his receiving. I mean, well, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that that is the thing I think that this offense
Speaker 1: is lacking the guy like a Mari Coop. We saw
Speaker 1: with a Mari here, Yeah, you can go seventy five
Speaker 1: yards in one play on a pass play and they
Speaker 1: James Washington. James Washington might be that guy, but we
Speaker 1: don't know. To your point though, there, I think that
Speaker 1: there is a greater need at cornerback than wide receiver
Speaker 1: because of the Jordan Lewis injury. Yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: you look at the depth Washington's get both Washington. Washington
Speaker 1: is coming back right and probably they'll start his practice
Speaker 1: when they get back. So he's probably not ready for
Speaker 1: the Green Bay game. But maybe for Minnesota. What do
Speaker 1: we know about this Noah Brown injury? Uh? Foot right? Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is this something that can linger? And that's the other
Speaker 1: thing which can convince me that, okay, well, maybe there
Speaker 1: is more of a need of a wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: you look back, he was also dealing with another injury,
Speaker 1: and I want to say it was foot. Don't quote
Speaker 1: me on that. I want to say it was foot
Speaker 1: previously in the season as well. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I think Noah Brown is somebody who again stopped
Speaker 1: to the conversation for needing a wide receiver. But with
Speaker 1: this injury, if it's something that's going to linger, that's
Speaker 1: that's worrisome. You can anticipate injuries are going to happen,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and so you try to cover yourself
Speaker 1: as much as you can at each position. You know,
Speaker 1: we were just getting a chance to talk to the
Speaker 1: offensive assistance first when we were talking to Robert Prince,
Speaker 1: the Cowboy's wide receiver coach, and he was he was
Speaker 1: somewhat complimentary of Jalen Tolbert, saying that, you know, he
Speaker 1: did what he was supposed to do. He ran the
Speaker 1: routes and and this was his way of saying it.
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, when you're in meetings, you're running
Speaker 1: lines like you're running how the route supposed to be run.
Speaker 1: And he said he did a good job of getting
Speaker 1: off the lines and running the routes. And he said
Speaker 1: there was several times he was open, but as Dak
Speaker 1: was going through his reads, he didn't get to him
Speaker 1: to that point where he threw the ball elsewhere. But
Speaker 1: he said, had they thrown him the ball or give
Speaker 1: him a target, that he would have been open, and
Speaker 1: they were pretty happy with what he did. McCarthy talked
Speaker 1: a lot about his need to improve blocking as a
Speaker 1: you know, when they do kind of those bunch formations
Speaker 1: and somebody's got to do the blocking and then you know,
Speaker 1: he said, but again, I'll guarantee you they didn't ask
Speaker 1: him the block at South Alabama, right. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: he's their lead receiver, so that was kind of new,
Speaker 1: plus the fact trying to integrate him into special teams too.
Speaker 1: And I also wish we would have seen more of
Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert up to this point because something that I
Speaker 1: noticed in the locker room is James Washington is the
Speaker 1: guy that's mentoring him right now. So I think if
Speaker 1: you saw a little bit more of Jalen Tilbert, you
Speaker 1: would get a little bit more of a scope to
Speaker 1: what James Washington is planning to do upon his return.
Speaker 1: I'd be also interested to see if the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to do more of a ramp up phase with
Speaker 1: James Washington like they did with Jason Peters, or if
Speaker 1: they're just kind of gonna throw him in like they
Speaker 1: did Michael galliper Se. But it's going to be a
Speaker 1: very interesting couple of weeks. There will be a rap
Speaker 1: ramp up phase. Yeah, yeah, for sure, he has to
Speaker 1: practice two weeks before he they'll send him out there.
Speaker 1: So but again we're talking a guy that has speed
Speaker 1: and Robert Prince reminded us that he was a Blitna
Speaker 1: cough winner out of Oklahoma State, I believe. And so
Speaker 1: he said he's got deep speed, it doesn't look like
Speaker 1: it's and how he's built right. No, but that was
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. He threw deep and James Washington behind the
Speaker 1: secondary every single time. It seemed like. Uh. Now, having
Speaker 1: said that, he had four years of opportunity, you know,
Speaker 1: four years with the Steelers and didn't do a whole
Speaker 1: lot there, and he was available for basically a veteran
Speaker 1: minimum salary in free agency this offseason, came home to
Speaker 1: Texas and uh and so hopefully he'll get this opportunity
Speaker 1: here in the next month or so and make the
Speaker 1: most of it. And so guarantee you and I know
Speaker 1: we got to take a break here that what they
Speaker 1: did in the running game, this pass game is going
Speaker 1: to open up some deep passes for these receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're going to say, you know what, if we
Speaker 1: don't stop Tony Pollard at the line of scrimmage, we're
Speaker 1: in trouble. So, you know, playing that cozy, too deep
Speaker 1: coverage zone, you may get more single coverage on the
Speaker 1: corner and maybe one single safety high coverage, knowing that
Speaker 1: we better not let him run for two two hundred
Speaker 1: yards like the Cowboys did against the Bears and Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: it is a foot right now. It was a neck
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Speaker 1: We continue on a trade deadline Tuesday here on mix
Speaker 1: shots here at the Star inside the SWBC podcast studio,
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Jess Navarrees, Jess fill in for
Speaker 1: our viewers and listeners who they just love Mickey so much.
Speaker 1: They can only they only get, They only want to
Speaker 1: They think that they only want to hear what Mickey
Speaker 1: has to say. Tell us about your podcast that you're
Speaker 1: on here. Yeah. So, I am one of the co
Speaker 1: hosts of the Girls Talk Boys Talk podcast that's at
Speaker 1: four o'clock every day. It's an all girls podcasts. We
Speaker 1: have a very good array of women that come in,
Speaker 1: very knowledgeable, very smart. Jane Slater started it and then
Speaker 1: it's on Mondays. Christie Scales joins us Ayisha Morrison. Of
Speaker 1: course Hayley Sutton's on there. So we have a very
Speaker 1: good cycle of women that come in on Tuesdays. We
Speaker 1: also talk to different women from around the building to
Speaker 1: tell us what they do, and so it's very empowering
Speaker 1: but also very football savvy and very football smarts. So
Speaker 1: very proud to be part of that and see the
Speaker 1: success that it's had so far. Love it, love it,
Speaker 1: love it. Keeping an eye on NFL networking and Twitter,
Speaker 1: because I too, I have to my head to see it.
Speaker 1: That's right, you don't have your Twitter up? Well I
Speaker 1: could do that, Yeah, that would. Are you on Twitter? Much?
Speaker 1: Do you? Where do you get your news? Have it?
Speaker 1: Where do you get your news? Um? It kind of depends.
Speaker 1: I have the push notifications on my phone, but Twitter
Speaker 1: is I think, just the easiest way to see everything.
Speaker 1: So I get my push notifications on from Twitter and
Speaker 1: all the sources around the leaks, so it's basically where
Speaker 1: I get my check it every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Remember the old days, Mickey, when you had to go
Speaker 1: check the wire? Oh man, sorry, Twitter used to have
Speaker 1: and it's not really the new wire, Mickey, it's about
Speaker 1: twenty ten, about twelve years ago. It became the news now,
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Being we got we gotta
Speaker 1: put it in Mickey's terms. A lot of people on
Speaker 1: there helping me out of it. But for those of
Speaker 1: us who have worked in TV newsrooms and you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day prior to Twitter, we act. I
Speaker 1: mean we literally there was a machine that had the
Speaker 1: associated press wire stories with paper and everything that we
Speaker 1: had to go check for stories and stuff. And then
Speaker 1: it became a computer thing, okay, and when even when
Speaker 1: I started at CBS eleven two thousand and six, two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, I mean, I would get notifications basically
Speaker 1: on my computer that way. It's crazy because I'm and
Speaker 1: I was one of the first ones to get on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I loved it, and from a news standpoint as much
Speaker 1: as anything, because I talked to people who aren't in
Speaker 1: the aren't journalists whatever, like daughter's son in laws and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're on occasionally whatever. My daughter is big in
Speaker 1: social media, but she'll get it from Instagram and whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and whatever she's interested in. It makes sense
Speaker 1: that Mickey doesn't really check Twitter, because I was telling
Speaker 1: him the story yesterday that not this year but last year,
Speaker 1: went to training camp, bumped into him and I was
Speaker 1: fangirling a little bit, telling Mickey, Oh, it's so nice
Speaker 1: to meet you, you know, and took a picture with
Speaker 1: him tweeted it, and then I didn't hear anything. Mickey
Speaker 1: left me on red. But then we were talking about
Speaker 1: it yesterday. It probably got pushed down and I did
Speaker 1: all all of the positive notifications that because with all
Speaker 1: my followers, you know, you do have a great following, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I do. You do very loyal. But let me tell
Speaker 1: you a story about that. Both of them are very loyal. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's probably over seventy thousand. It's good check. That's right.
Speaker 1: We could check you on that, Mickey, Yeah, it's fact check.
Speaker 1: You um, so your ahead. Back in the day, the
Speaker 1: ap wire machine basically saved my college education with the
Speaker 1: breaking story. At about ten o'clock at night, and if
Speaker 1: you remember, the machine would ding and the one was
Speaker 1: a bigger one. It had doubled dinging, and then when
Speaker 1: the thing just kept dinging, it was really important. And
Speaker 1: we went running over to the machine and me and
Speaker 1: this guy were both in the same boat with the
Speaker 1: selective service draft, and we had a dateline Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: President Richard Nixon has ended the selective service draft. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: guess who was going to Vietnam. Wow? And you should
Speaker 1: have seen the celebration in that newsroom that was dead
Speaker 1: empty besides me taking basketball scores and this other guy
Speaker 1: watching the police and fire scroll. And you think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were happy in their draft room when they drafted
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, it was nothing compared to that draft news
Speaker 1: I was. My lottery number was fifty two. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: the only lottery you kind of won, right because you
Speaker 1: had a high number, yeah or low, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, but wow, my two years were up.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we are monitoring. If anything happens, we'll get
Speaker 1: it to you here first. Nothing so far as we
Speaker 1: are now approaching two and a half hours away from
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, let's do this before we hit the break.
Speaker 1: And London Wells was really good about bringing it up.
Speaker 1: But Mike Zimmer's son, Adam Zimmer, passed away yesterday and
Speaker 1: it's just heartwrenching. I knew Adam since he was ten
Speaker 1: years old when Zim came here in ninety four to
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys defensive assistant on his way to be
Speaker 1: in the cornerback or the defensive back coach to the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Uh and uh thirty eight years old, and
Speaker 1: it's just he was a UM analytic assistant at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I believe that most recently, most recently uh and he
Speaker 1: had been with Mike uh in Minnesota as a coordinator
Speaker 1: right in title you know, you know Ziom was running
Speaker 1: that defense. But this is the second time that poor
Speaker 1: family has had to go through that. His mom, Mike's
Speaker 1: wife passed away when they had moved to Cincinnati unexpectedly,
Speaker 1: and now this, and it's like, geez, how much more
Speaker 1: can one family go through? Um And I knew Zim
Speaker 1: him since seventy eight seventy nine when he was the
Speaker 1: graduate assistant coach at the University of Missouri when I
Speaker 1: was covering Missouri football and we first met then and
Speaker 1: both ended up here and so yeah, it's just and
Speaker 1: so London Wells said, before I answer any questions, I
Speaker 1: want to pay homage to the zimm family that I
Speaker 1: got to know Adam at the East West Shrine game
Speaker 1: when he was there coaching and Adam was coaching. So
Speaker 1: and I don't know if George Edwards is talking with
Speaker 1: the media today, but he would be one guy on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys staff who is very close with the Zimmer family,
Speaker 1: having together been on that staff and probably mentored Adam
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, being a defensive coordinator himself there
Speaker 1: and then alongside Adam uh and just just heartbreaking news.
Speaker 1: And his Adam's sister, Corey, who went to high school
Speaker 1: with my daughter. She posted on Instagram about it this
Speaker 1: morning and she had worked here briefly in the teaving
Speaker 1: department too, and it's just awful and so anyway, our
Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers are with the Zimmer family on this
Speaker 1: tragic day for them, and we'll continue with more mix
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Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Jess Navarrez, and the star of the show,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, who has been speaking with offensive assistant coaches
Speaker 1: here within the last forty five minutes. And you said, Skip,
Speaker 1: Pete had a related little story about Zeke. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: And he pointed out that Zeke basically came to him
Speaker 1: on Friday and said I can go, and they were like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just wait till after the bye. And then he
Speaker 1: told the story about Marry and Barbara doing the same
Speaker 1: thing back in the day when Barbara was the lead
Speaker 1: running back and had a toe injury, and Barbara came
Speaker 1: to him at the end of the week and said, Coach, look,
Speaker 1: I can go. And he started getting on his tippy
Speaker 1: toes and showing his toes were fine. And he got
Speaker 1: in the game and took two snaps and came to
Speaker 1: the sideline and said, coach, I can't goad he goes.
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I said, see, you lied
Speaker 1: to me, he goes. I got a guy that could
Speaker 1: have played, and he's over there in his warm up
Speaker 1: suit and I can't put him in the game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were going to be very careful with this one.
Speaker 1: But you know, he he suffered on that hit to
Speaker 1: the knee, a hyper extended knee, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think they're hopeful that maybe with a brace, that he
Speaker 1: would be ready to go sooner than later. So that's
Speaker 1: somewhat good news. And you know he doesn't have to really,
Speaker 1: you know, play in a game or take a hit
Speaker 1: for two what two weeks now, right? One? Two next
Speaker 1: week and maybe be ready for Green Bay, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think it was so important to see the capacity
Speaker 1: that Tony Pollard can take on too and know that
Speaker 1: maybe a few more touches, even if it's five more
Speaker 1: touches per game, how impactful he can be and take
Speaker 1: that weight off of Zeke in the meantime if he's
Speaker 1: not fully healed, you know, Green Bay or whenever he returns.
Speaker 1: So I think Tony Pollard's performance was outstanding and I
Speaker 1: think the only people that were doubting him were the
Speaker 1: outside noise. I don't think the locker room doubted him
Speaker 1: for one second for what he was able to do.
Speaker 1: And so Tony Pollard deserves all the flowers this week.
Speaker 1: What an incredible game for him. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think the outside noise were as big as fans.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we don't need to see. Just give
Speaker 1: it to Well and Malik Davis. I mean, the opportunity
Speaker 1: that he got. And you know it's a numbers wise,
Speaker 1: it's not great whatever, but you can see it. We
Speaker 1: saw it in the preseason and you know, you as
Speaker 1: we have discovered, especially with a seventeen game season now
Speaker 1: and where this team wants to go. At six and two,
Speaker 1: were the chances of you know, making maybe even a
Speaker 1: postseason run. I mean, you're gonna need all hands on
Speaker 1: deck as you go along here. And you know they've
Speaker 1: had three running backs on the roster and Donald got
Speaker 1: hurt and put on I R. But there's room for Davis,
Speaker 1: you know, and they he did a nice job. When
Speaker 1: they threw him the ball, it looked like he had
Speaker 1: scored the touchdown, and then replay showed he kind of
Speaker 1: had his side his foot on the out of bounds,
Speaker 1: but you know, he caught a couple passes and uh,
Speaker 1: he's got a little something, you know. They he didn't
Speaker 1: get drafted, but they had a rotation going at Florida.
Speaker 1: It was and the guy that he was playing with
Speaker 1: in at Florida is pretty good running back himself, Damien Paris,
Speaker 1: who is doing very well with the text. They had
Speaker 1: like a three man rotation going. We got a trade. Oh,
Speaker 1: there is a trade here. Breaking news here. I'm making
Speaker 1: sure that it has a blue check mark. But the
Speaker 1: Bears are trading for Steelers wide receiver Chase Claypool. Wow.
Speaker 1: So they just they just traded away um Robert Quinn Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now they're they're adding a player. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if they used any of those draft choices that they
Speaker 1: got to trade. I haven't seen that details yet, but
Speaker 1: Claypool goes from the Steelers to the Bears. I'd love
Speaker 1: draft day. I mean, I'd love trade day. I love
Speaker 1: draft it looked like a kid in a candy shop
Speaker 1: right now with your iPad's right. I love it. But
Speaker 1: he did want to point out two though, real quick
Speaker 1: about Malik Davis was the ball security that he had.
Speaker 1: I think that was so key and so important during
Speaker 1: this game, especially for a younger guy. That's one thing
Speaker 1: that he could not afford to do. You don't drop
Speaker 1: the football, you won't get this opportunity. He had one
Speaker 1: job and he's stuck to it. So I was really
Speaker 1: happy to see that. So, yeah, flowers to Malik Davis
Speaker 1: this week as well. Yeah, and you know, and you
Speaker 1: know Pollard has shown that. You know, the funny thing
Speaker 1: was is even though he was the starter, he got
Speaker 1: no more carries than he's ever had in the single game.
Speaker 1: Fourteen was his single game high, and he got fourteen carries.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something too not overusing him, because
Speaker 1: then teams get used to the speed, and I think
Speaker 1: the change up between he and Zeke is awfully important
Speaker 1: with you're used to Zeke running at one speed and
Speaker 1: you're used to this guy hitting the hole at another speed,
Speaker 1: and I think it catches defenses by surprise. Yes, second
Speaker 1: round draft pick the Bears are giving the Steelers for
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool. So are you are you happy that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys face the Bears Sunday and not this coming Sunday?
Speaker 1: Not that Chase Claypool is all world. But they didn't
Speaker 1: have much in the wide receiver room in Chicago. I
Speaker 1: don't know they had problems with Mooney. The Mooney's a
Speaker 1: good player, you know, wekay, but you would have Claypool.
Speaker 1: They would have Claypool alongside Mooney. Mooney five catches seventy
Speaker 1: yards long of thirty six? Was the thirty six one?
Speaker 1: The one that Digs got lost on may have been
Speaker 1: I think so, because he was playing off and the
Speaker 1: guy started running in and Diggs, Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: was yeah, rolled back out. It was wide open, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Mooney think you cracked me up. You don't
Speaker 1: think no one's trading for Mooney? Right? Not that the
Speaker 1: exactly right? Then? That's my point. I would rather I'd
Speaker 1: rather play the Bears without Chase my Pool. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: were rather one dimensional. Now, they were pretty good at
Speaker 1: that one dimension at over two hundred yards rushing, So
Speaker 1: they gave up a second for him? Is that a second? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's quite a bit. It is definitely is
Speaker 1: so well if you valued second round draft picks, we've
Speaker 1: had our full share of second round draft picks. We
Speaker 1: haven't panned out well, that's true. But Trayvon Diggs was
Speaker 1: pretty good. It was John Lee was too. Oh the
Speaker 1: general m yeah, oh yeah, big Lean. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's my speaking to my heart here. I was the
Speaker 1: president of the Sean Lee fan club. We could have
Speaker 1: just kept him healthy. There we go. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: think Sean Lee is such a staple to Cowboys. Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson was pretty good. Would Johnston wow me to continue
Speaker 1: one year left on his contract? Makes sense? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think in terms of you know, Sunday's game, you look
Speaker 1: at even we didn't even talk about the tight end group.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about about an important group
Speaker 1: within this offense, those young tight ends. Jake Ferguson Payton
Speaker 1: Hender show Wow, talk about coming out of the gates
Speaker 1: to prove a point. And I think Dalton Schultz stepping
Speaker 1: up this week too was just so key and so valuable.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what that tight end group
Speaker 1: is going to do is the year progresses and as
Speaker 1: they gel a little bit more with Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: the pocket. Oh my goodness, that's that's scary. That is
Speaker 1: scary to be able to have the option for those
Speaker 1: tight end screens. I'm excited. I like them a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, going back to training camp, Ferguson and Hender
Speaker 1: Shutting and that was a position of real concern for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the offseas. I'm a depth standpoint, right, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and from a future standpoint too, because of Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: going into the last year of his contract, and I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays out now going forward into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, but I think they feel a lot better.
Speaker 1: And I just love the makeup of that tight end
Speaker 1: room too. Just Frick and frack Y. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: they were dressed as Tweedledee and Tweedledumb for Halloween. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, definitely great to see there. I
Speaker 1: think they're the Cowboys. Second drive, you really saw the
Speaker 1: strength of that tight end cores. I think, going back
Speaker 1: to my notes, you had a man pass after pass.
Speaker 1: Let's see it was you had passes to I'm in
Speaker 1: the wrong game. Um, let's see here it is you
Speaker 1: had passed a hander shot passed to Schultz, passed a
Speaker 1: hander shot, passed to Schultz, and then finally Michael Gallops.
Speaker 1: So you had drive after drive after drive of tight
Speaker 1: end action and then hello, Michael Gallup, nice to see
Speaker 1: you again. Into So I think when you can use
Speaker 1: your tight ends as wide receivers, all right, I'm just
Speaker 1: curious about how the how it all came about on
Speaker 1: the touchdown celebration, just how much they planned it. How
Speaker 1: much they they obviously planned, yeah, but I mean was
Speaker 1: this something like after practice where they decided, Okay, we
Speaker 1: need something and they're beautiful. They've had it planned for
Speaker 1: two weeks apparently, because if you watch sounds of the sidelines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they talked about it last week when Hendershot got his touchdown,
Speaker 1: they were going to do it, but it was his
Speaker 1: first one, so it's kind of like my first one.
Speaker 1: I would just like to know if they practiced it,
Speaker 1: I mean, after after practice, I mean, did they decide
Speaker 1: because you have to decide which is the one that's
Speaker 1: going to get roped and it doesn't really works. This
Speaker 1: one of the goalposts, I don't know that's one you
Speaker 1: practice in the apartment of I don't know that or
Speaker 1: Schultz's house, because Schultz is the one that got roped, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah you do. You don't want everybody seeing that.
Speaker 1: But I think they're really good under pressure, and they
Speaker 1: just they just threw it out there. Schultz is the
Speaker 1: one that has to be the one getting rope. A
Speaker 1: rookie cannot be you know, it doesn't work. He's got
Speaker 1: to do it. It works if the veteran is the
Speaker 1: one that the rookie. It would have been better if
Speaker 1: he was like one of them, got on all fours
Speaker 1: like you were riding a horse and jumped off and
Speaker 1: then roped him. There you go. You can give him
Speaker 1: some ideas. Now we're getting into you can give him
Speaker 1: some choreographer of the official Dallas Cowboys choreographer rodeo cover
Speaker 1: coverage guy touched he learned something from walk Garrison. Yeah
Speaker 1: all right, mickey, what else is on your legal pad there?
Speaker 1: I just was going to say that London Wells said
Speaker 1: that they are progressing because of their hard work, but
Speaker 1: they still have a ways to go. And somebody said, well,
Speaker 1: what do they need to improve on? And he said
Speaker 1: their consistency. So and I would imagine some of that
Speaker 1: has to do with the consistent blocking of that tight
Speaker 1: end room. If you're going to run two tight ends,
Speaker 1: those guys have to do a really good job of
Speaker 1: maintaining their blocks, especially if the balls bouncing outside. Well,
Speaker 1: especially if you have Tony Pollard, who we know is
Speaker 1: not great with the pass pro hopefully getting a little
Speaker 1: bit better. But yeah, it's definitely important to have the
Speaker 1: blocking strength with your tight end group. And Okay, I
Speaker 1: ask Mickey what else is on his legal pad? Just
Speaker 1: to show the difference here? What else is on your laptop?
Speaker 1: I have all the postgame notes? All right, let's see.
Speaker 1: I have postgame notes. I have girls talk boys talk notes,
Speaker 1: and I all so have I'm waiting to register for
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift tickets all going at once. So do you
Speaker 1: have a jest shot you would like to deliver at
Speaker 1: the end of this show? I mean here on mix shots,
Speaker 1: I mean it can be anything, a nugget, it can
Speaker 1: be anything you'd like to throw out there, something I
Speaker 1: didn't get to throw out today. Kudos to Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: for officially shaking the narrative that he's rusty and we
Speaker 1: never have to hear that again. So I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to see Dak Prescott back and building up. I think
Speaker 1: you were ready to proclaim him fully healthy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think we have to hear rust
Speaker 1: in Dak Prescott. Now the reason why we don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to perceptions, right there, you go, there you go. Oh,
Speaker 1: and this one from Robert Prince talking about Vane Turpin said,
Speaker 1: we do have a package for him as a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and he felt very confident that if they called his
Speaker 1: number that he would be there and ready to go.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can look forward to that sounds like a
Speaker 1: country and Western, so be ready to go. You got
Speaker 1: him in the mood for some country Western and that
Speaker 1: you know nothing about country western. You mean you got
Speaker 1: your grew up in Texas boots. I have boots. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have to warn them in a long time. Everyone
Speaker 1: should wear their boots tomorrow. I think that's that's all right. Well,
Speaker 1: you'd be going solo the bear of boots in his life, right,
Speaker 1: not in my life? Oh no, Mike, we got to
Speaker 1: change that. I spent four years working in lubbook, so
Speaker 1: so you had to wear boots. You got to wear
Speaker 1: boots when you live in the lubbook. That job requirement,
Speaker 1: that's right. There. You have Copenhagen in your back pocket too.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you had to wear them boots so you
Speaker 1: can walk right out of Lubbock. Right, that's right? All right?
Speaker 1: That does it for a splendid edition of mix Shots
Speaker 1: thanks to the appearance of Jess Navarrez on this show today,
Speaker 1: and we'll do it again tomorrow. You want to, Jess,
Speaker 1: I'm excited with phone calls. Yea, with phone calls. All right,
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