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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you guys follow astrology at all, which if

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Speaker 2: you listen to this podcast, I'm sure you do, you

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Speaker 2: are familiar with the Astro Twins. They are longtime astrologers

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Speaker 2: to the stars including du Alipa and Beyonce, as well

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Speaker 2: as being the official astrologers for l magazine. I've been

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Speaker 2: a fan for a long time and one of the

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Speaker 2: front the Twins, o Fira, is with me today to

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Speaker 2: talk about their new book, The Astrology Advantage. Hi, Opira, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you? Thank you for being here?

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Speaker 3: Oh good, great midst of Leo season. Waiting for mercury retrograde.

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Speaker 3: You know, how how good could it be?

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Speaker 2: We were just talking because you have a light that

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Speaker 2: went out. I had to reschedule yesterday when we were

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Speaker 2: supposed to record, and I was like, mercury is already

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Speaker 2: retrograding and really getting us. You said, astrologers are not

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Speaker 2: cannot escape even though even though you know what's happened,

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Speaker 2: you can't escape what's happening in the universe.

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Speaker 3: Maybe plan ahead a little better, but you know, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even help so if.

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Speaker 2: We just roll with it, it's just going to get accepted.

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Speaker 2: At least we know what's happening, right. That's always helpful

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Speaker 2: to me to understand, which actually kind of leads me

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Speaker 2: to the first thing I want to talk about, because

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Speaker 2: you guys were some of the first astrologers that I

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Speaker 2: know I saw via pop culture world, kind of back

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Speaker 2: in the day when it wasn't as popular as it

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Speaker 2: seems to be now. You know, social media I think

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Speaker 2: has made it a little more maybe digestible or acceptable

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Speaker 2: for people. But I just thought I was like, they

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Speaker 2: must have faced so much skepticism back in the day.

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Speaker 2: So how did you guys deal with that? When you

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Speaker 2: first started even writing for ell? Was there a lot

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Speaker 2: of feedback that you got where people were like, Astrology's

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Speaker 2: not real and you're going, well, yes it is, but

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Speaker 2: like what do you do about that kind of stuff?

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Speaker 3: I mean they still say that, honest. Really, just more

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Speaker 3: apps changed everything because all of a sudden, as I

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Speaker 3: put it, like Gody that wanted to sleep with girls

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Speaker 3: who had co Star on their phone knew that they'd

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Speaker 3: better get it on theirs. So yeah, indirectly, but no,

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Speaker 3: I think people still were into it. But their books.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a lot more work to explain

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Speaker 3: because people would be like, moon sign, what's that right sign?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: So they either really knew it or really didn't. And

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Speaker 3: but yeah, we did have our first column and teen

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Speaker 3: People magazine. I think people expected to see it on

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Speaker 3: the back page of a magazine, especially women's magazine. So

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Speaker 3: Elle actually was really helpful because I was like, all right, right,

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Speaker 3: we're finally in one of the places where people go

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Speaker 3: looking for astrology. But so people were fascinated, but they

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Speaker 3: would never think that they could really use it in

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Speaker 3: internet and then apps changed everything more access to the information.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, when someone ask you what does astrology help with,

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Speaker 3: It helps you with decisions. The average person, the average

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Speaker 3: adult makes thirty eight thousand decisions a day, and it's

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Speaker 3: probably more since that statistic was found because I think

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Speaker 3: we have way more apps now. Not to obsess over apps,

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Speaker 3: but they have changed our lives. So yeah, so most people,

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Speaker 3: whether it's in their love lives or parenting or careers

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Speaker 3: and in these days it's not just this. You're not

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Speaker 3: making decision in a bubble. It's like every decision you

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Speaker 3: make impacts ten others at least and then ten other people,

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Speaker 3: and it's just like, you know, people get scared of

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Speaker 3: So astrology really helps you find enough confidence and reassurance

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Speaker 3: to take that one step forward. I think, do you

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Speaker 3: use it for that?

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Speaker 2: And my listeners actually are pretty used to the astrology talk.

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Speaker 2: just based on your sun sign, which I've learned now

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Speaker 2: a berthtart reading, and like the moon sign and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I love that question because you know, they

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Speaker 3: So I want to set out by saying we have

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Speaker 3: lots of free will. In fact, the more you know

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Speaker 3: think of like when you get a new piece of

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Speaker 3: even know how to actually do more than the basic functions.

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Speaker 3: So people are the same way. And exploring your astrology

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Speaker 3: it's not that different, And then exploring your psychology the

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Speaker 3: things that have happened to you, like if you had

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Speaker 3: to be defined and ruled by it, but it still happened.

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Speaker 3: It's still a part of your stories. So what the

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Speaker 3: your exact second of birth of the planets is your chart.

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Speaker 3: So there you know. You would also say, while you're

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Speaker 3: the houses or the Zodiac wheel, and then you would

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Speaker 3: not based on the position of the constellations. People like

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Speaker 3: with that, you can see your strengths, your weaknesses, you

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Speaker 3: can see where your energy may be concentrated. Each of

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Speaker 3: those twelve houses represents a different area of life. I

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to learn more about the houses and the

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Speaker 2: more I dive in. I mean, astrology is a thing

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Speaker 2: or for me there has been. But the houses specifically

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Speaker 2: an astrologer, at least do one reading to understand your

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Speaker 2: worth chart a little more, because it really does explain

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Speaker 2: so much about why you do what you do. It's fascinating. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We just finished on July twenty seventh, an eight week,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was great. The first eight weeks was

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Speaker 3: got to create a shorthand for this. Yeah, because you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember bits and pieces. Then I go back

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So it's really kind of a rebranding of something

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Speaker 3: they'll scan your whole chart and see how many of

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Speaker 3: those planets or placements are in fire signs, earth signs,

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Speaker 3: in what are called the modalities cardinal, fixed and mutable signs.

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Speaker 3: So the cardinal signs are the ones that start the season,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh god, now I don't even and

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00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to answer that question. So

431
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 3: I ended up spending both days with him just because

432
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: I was like Uh wow, they're really good at sales.

433
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the i AMS in a nutshell.

434
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: There's so much more. I mean in the book, we

435
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: have relationships, parenting, communication, team building, compatibility style. Like what

436
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: I love about the system is that once you know

437
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: your type, then you can just like go and get

438
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: this full on guide and not have to be like, wait,

439
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: what's my mercury sign. I mean it's important to know

440
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: that too, Like, please feel free to geek out about

441
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: your entire chart. But this is like astrology without having

442
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: to become an astrologer to use it.

443
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think astrology can be very very overwhelming to

444
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: certain people, and especially when you start to break it

445
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: down into more than even just your top three. Like

446
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: some people will get into the oh, I know my

447
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: sun moon and rising, and then there's so much more,

448
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: and then there's houses, and then there's there's all the

449
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: things that we've been talking about, and so it is

450
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: kind of this never anything. I love it. I know

451
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: you love it. Like there's all these people who want

452
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: to keep doing the deep dive, but if you don't,

453
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: this is a really good way to use the astrology

454
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: as a roadmap. But it's also like you said, a

455
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: combination of a personality test. So it's like, let me

456
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 2: figure out what my skill set is. And then what

457
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: I'm hearing you say is actually making sense in my

458
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: life too, because it's you need the other people, like

459
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: other people with other skill sets. Like, for instance, before

460
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: we got on the phone, I was, I mean, before

461
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: we got on this call, I was on the phone

462
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: with my agent and she was telling me something about

463
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: something I needed to do on social media, like it's

464
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: something I just keep putting off and all this stuff.

465
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: And I straight up said to her, Okay, like I'm sorry,

466
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to bitch at you or whatever. And

467
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I said, no, I need a fire lit under my ass, right,

468
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: but I think you're low on fire as it is.

469
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, your fire, earth, air and water is two fire,

470
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: two earth, four air, and five waters. So you literally

471
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: do need a fire lit on literally need that.

472
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: So I didn't even know what I was saying, but

473
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: I was very accurately describing what I need. But I

474
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: think she's probably an authority, she's very structured, she's all

475
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: these things, and so I need people like that in

476
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: my life to actually take the things that I'm doing

477
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: and that i'm excited about and make them make sense sometimes.

478
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And you know it's funny that she was

479
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 3: kind of apologetic too, because so what innovators don't always

480
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: realize is that they can be a little intimidating they

481
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: have a star quality, or they're very like up to

482
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: big things or always like doing something kind of vip

483
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: and important seeming or off to you know, so we

484
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: don't know. We're just like, I'm just just got invited

485
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: to this thing, so I'm going an other are like, wow,

486
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: you got invited to blah blah blah. So you know

487
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: you have the velvet rope access as an innovator because

488
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: the cardinals signs are always the first ones to be

489
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: let in. So you it's not that you don't work

490
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: for it, because you do. But divine timing can definitely

491
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: work for an innovator when they put themselves in the

492
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: right place. So a lot of the a lot of

493
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: times the authorities and events will feel like they're bothering

494
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: us will not know where to where to cut in

495
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: and intrude, like for the authorities on my team because

496
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: they're holding down important things like appointments and emails that

497
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: need to be answered to. Quite like we have to

498
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: like make sure that we make time for regular weekly meeting.

499
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: Even though I don't love sitting still for that, I

500
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: I understand that if I don't impart that info or whatever,

501
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: then they can't support me. So you learn, ye what

502
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: are the other uh the others need? And there are

503
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: some people that are a hybrid. You can also be

504
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 3: two because it's thirteen. So there's like Taylor Swift is

505
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: what is she? I think she's an innovator maven. So

506
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: she's six six one, No, she's an innovator authority. Yeah,

507
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: six ' six one. Only one maven and that's her son.

508
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: She's a Sangittarius. Yes, So she's very concentrated, which is

509
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: funny because the maven is kind of low on community.

510
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: Is big on community. She has it. She has a

511
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: huge community, but it still kind of all circulates around her,

512
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: not notarily, you know, I mean they created it around her,

513
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: her people on their own.

514
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: So so it makes sense to me that she's so

515
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: high an authority though, because I do see her having

516
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: these big ideas like an innovator, but then she also

517
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: seems very skilled at putting them into action herself. And

518
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: I know she has the team and all of the

519
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: things massive team, I'm sure, but that actually makes sense

520
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: for me because she's had that drive and that creativity

521
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: and then also the skill set to put it into

522
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: actions in such a young age.

523
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like to stand up to the record labels

524
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: or Apple Music or whichever whoever took her catalog back

525
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: from this year, and just so she takes her own authority.

526
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: It's put herself on par with massive music distributors. So

527
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: you know, an authority is also the person you want

528
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: on your side or where you want to have some

529
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 3: planets and some energy in your I am if you

530
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: need to really stand up for yourself. So if you

531
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of authority, it's great. Like you

532
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: you have an agent who does who plays the badly.

533
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking that that, and I need

534
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: people like that in my life for sure, because it

535
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: can all yeah, when you're in the innovator. I didn't

536
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: realize this, but as I was reading about the innovator too,

537
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: and especially because mine is water, there is just so

538
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: much you could just flowing around. And I want to

539
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: go do all these things, but sometimes I need someone

540
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: to kind of have my back or to say sit down,

541
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: we need to do this part of the paperwork piece

542
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: or whatever the logistics are. I hate that stuff. Oh,

543
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: you totally would with low authority and low earth. Earth

544
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: is like where you get paperwork. Oh, it's really funny.

545
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm observing this. I'm noticing like sometimes people who are

546
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: low on something, they'll overcompensate.

547
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: Like I have a friend who's very low and maybe

548
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: has no earth, which is money and material resources. But

549
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: he's the CFO of a hedge fund. However, he also

550
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: is a super creative business based around honey and these

551
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: really innovative drinks and stuff. So I'm like, I think

552
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: he's like a true creative, he's a maven, but he's

553
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: living the life of someone else. So I mean, I'm

554
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: gonna talk to him about his IAM chart and get

555
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 3: the scoop on that. But like Paris Hilton has very

556
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: little earth in her chart, I think they maybe they

557
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: just spend it all like you have low fire fire

558
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: as you drive and energy like maybe you just like

559
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: burn quickly through it.

560
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit about the differences,

561
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: because I think it's interesting to think about where you're

562
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: high and you're low. But then we were talking about

563
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: this before the podcast you also sent med a leap

564
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: as IM report to just kind of compare. She's also

565
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: an innovator, but she's a fire innovator, so where I'm

566
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: a water innovator, she's a fire innovator. So talk about

567
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: what are the differences there and how does that because

568
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: when I'm reading the personalities of those two things, they're

569
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: totally different.

570
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, the there are eighty four possible types. Okay,

571
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: combine the IM system because you could be evenly split

572
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: between three of the elements like four four four one,

573
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: which I've seen, and then you could have up to

574
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: two of the of the three qualities or modalities. And

575
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: I am so somebody could actually be three elements and

576
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: two qualities dominant. So within within the innovator authority Maven

577
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: and the three hybrids, there are fourteen variations. That's a

578
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: total of eighty four. We have a little bonus guide

579
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: called the eighty four types, and we gave them all names,

580
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: so I'll actually open it up and read. So, so

581
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: you are a water innovator. So while you and are

582
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: both innovative, like you're doing your own thing, you're you know,

583
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: she also was like in the in the business for

584
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: a really long time before she broke up. I mean,

585
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: she's been around a lot longer than we know. And

586
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: she's also a really good songwriter, right, so you know,

587
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: like a lot of times innovators because they're ahead of

588
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: their time, like our best kept secret until they break out.

589
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: So and even then it's not really the greatest to

590
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: be mainstream. But for you, as a water innovator, water

591
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: tends toward nurturing, taking care of beautifying, creativity, styling. So

592
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: you know, i'd have astro style all you are stylists,

593
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: make it, you have that relationship with color and how

594
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: you have that sensitivity. Fire is very physical active for

595
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, you look at the things that du Alipa does,

596
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: like swimming with sharks for her album cover, like falling

597
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: and not caring, jumping off of things. She's very active

598
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: and in her body, you know.

599
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: Like even on stage as I'm thinking through like a

600
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: show I've seen, Yes, she's all over the place.

601
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: There's all over the place. She's Her archetype is called

602
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: the spark plug.

603
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: That makes total sense.

604
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, it's very dynamic and yours and mine

605
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: is water innovators. Funny coincidence, were the tide turners. So

606
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: you know, and then you know, you could have an

607
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Earth innovator who would probably use their innovative powers to

608
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: make money, create security. Earth is grounding, stabilizing, very material,

609
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: so it'd be an that would probably be like like

610
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: a a CEO who was a little bit different than

611
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: the others. Like that could be like maybe like a

612
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll have to look up who's an

613
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Earth innovator, but like a like a guy Kawasaki who

614
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: created Canva or something like that, trail or Steve Jobs,

615
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: like still in charge and in the corporate world but

616
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: thinking different. And then an air innovator, the wind shifter.

617
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: I have a lot of those around me. Gwyneth Paltrow

618
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: is an air innovative.

619
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: Air.

620
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're kind of like freezing in and bring

621
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: you new things to think about and try. Air is

622
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: very light, experimental, communicative ideas, like here's a book, here's

623
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: a you know, here's something that will make you, you know,

624
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: think a new way, see things a new way. Not

625
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: that you know, it's interesting because she has all her skincare,

626
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: her clothes, but I think people really liked Goop best

627
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: for the ideas that it gives.

628
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: I do you agree, Yeah, And the things she'll go

629
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: try or they write about, you know, new procedures, you

630
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: can have done, new diets to try just all of

631
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: that stuff. I do think it is. Yeah, I think

632
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: that's the main thing.

633
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Air is a kind of communicative communal thing. So

634
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: like let's follow Gwyneth and try these things, right, so

635
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, when people, when you realize that and learn that,

636
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: you can start to calibrate what you do and play

637
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: up the strengths or balance them out. Maybe sometimes you

638
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: may do like you as a tide trigger water intervator,

639
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: like maybe need to do a little more of the fire,

640
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 3: air earth stuff too. Like you're never gonna love the paperwork,

641
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: but maybe it's like, all right, I just grew up

642
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: a little bit from doing it.

643
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: Totally agree, And you can also maybe take it and go,

644
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: this is where I need to hire people. Well, yes,

645
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: we're saying like I need to know what's going on. Yeah,

646
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I need to know what's going on, but I need

647
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: to understand my weaknesses and or maybe the parts that

648
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm lacking in my chart because I can't. I could

649
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: all day go oh, I hate invoicing, but I have

650
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: to do it if I want to get paid. So

651
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: you know, there's those things where it's like, Okay, you

652
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: can sit down and grow up and force yourself to

653
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: be an adult a little bit, or get the help

654
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: you need through someone working with you or for you.

655
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: Things like that.

656
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely so, and when you can delegate it's better too,

657
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: because yes, absolutely playing to your strengths is best.

658
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: I agree. This is why this kind of thing is

659
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 2: so interesting to me though, and so helpful because now

660
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: that even understanding just the basics of my chart with

661
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: this or this personality type, I am like thinking through

662
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: the conversations like I had today and going, no wonder

663
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: I said that to her because I actually do need

664
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: the fire lit under my ass and I do need

665
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: someone to kind of keep me in check with the

666
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: day to day task because that's never going to be

667
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: the way my brain naturally thinks. And that's okay. Like,

668
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: we're all here for a different purpose with our different strengths,

669
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: So it's really understanding how to utilize those in your

670
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: life and then where you need to maybe fill in

671
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: some gaps.

672
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: Ye's perfectly said. And like, so now tune into your

673
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: body for a second and think about how you feel

674
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: having realized that, Like, do you feel hopeful. Do you

675
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: feel like some relief of some kind.

676
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

677
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: And I think for me specifically with what we were

678
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, all the different pieces of the jobs

679
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: that I do, I oddly or maybe not so oddly,

680
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: I carry shame about that sometimes because everyone around me

681
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: is telling me that's not how it's done. And there's

682
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: parts of my personality that can go, oh well, shoot,

683
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: Like eventually, after I fight it for so long, I'll

684
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: be like, well, maybe everyone's right and maybe I'm getting

685
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: in my own way. But when I hear stuff like this,

686
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: it's validating to me of like, no, I'm here to

687
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: do that, Like I'm here to be exactly the way

688
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: that I am, and I'm doing a disservice to myself

689
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: and others if I try to fit into a mold

690
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: that of something that I'm not.

691
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 3: You nailed it, and that's you know. I really want

692
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: this book in the System to be a shame eradicator

693
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: because there are so many people like probably people would

694
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: be shocked to hear that you feel that way. They

695
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: see you as so successful, but it's like everyone, it

696
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: doesn't even matter how successful they are, has a cloud

697
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: of an uncertainty and shame hanging over them, like even

698
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: the most authority authorities are comparing themselves to someone else,

699
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: like or worried about losing all the status that they've

700
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: gained and that kind of thing. So it's like, it's

701
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 3: that validation. That's a word I've heard again and again

702
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: over the years, Like that really goes far. I even

703
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: saw statistic or a little study that validations. I looked up,

704
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: like when how do people get unstuck when they're overwhelmed?

705
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: Because that's the thing. We're always helping people with motivation,

706
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: and it said when they feel seen or validated, it

707
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: causes your brain to release dopamine and that gives you

708
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: a surge of self belief and motivation. So as soon

709
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: as you get that, then you're likely to take an action,

710
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: and once you take one action, it's a snowball effect.

711
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: Then you gain the confidence to take right. The journey

712
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: of a thousand miles begins with a single step. But

713
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: if you never take that step because you're frozen with

714
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: fear and don't know what you're like the deer in

715
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: the headlights, then then you're then you never get to

716
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: do the great things you're here to do in life.

717
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: That actually got me so teary. It's so true to me.

718
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: It really did because you said the word seen and heard,

719
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: and it's so that is why I do this podcast

720
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: because I do believe that the way our culture is

721
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: set up has us, you know, wired to think that

722
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: we're supposed to fit all in this same little box

723
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: and this is what success looks like, and it has

724
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: to be mapped out this way, and the road to

725
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: you know, really getting your life right is this. And

726
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: I've always had this problem with that, which is not

727
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 2: surprising as an innovator, but that's why I've gotten into

728
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: all of these different modalities that i have of understanding

729
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: myself a little bit because I just knew that wasn't

730
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: right and i'd but I could not really say it

731
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: until I'm finding validation through things like this that are

732
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: going no like you're supposed to be doing it the

733
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: way you're doing it, because no matter how many times

734
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: I've tried to only do one thing, I cannot do

735
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: it like I can't. I just get so bored. Then

736
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I'll totally take that thing that I'm doing and switch

737
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: it into something else, like it's just in my wiring.

738
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: And so I finally at forty two I have accepted that,

739
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: and this conversations even validating that even more so. Yeah,

740
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: it made me tiary to just go, yeah, it's exactly right,

741
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: Like I just need to be seen in that world,

742
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: and I think everyone in this world needs to be

743
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: seen that way and know that you can map out

744
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: your life in any way that you want, Like you're

745
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: here to do something totally unique to you. There is

746
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: no right or wrong way to do it.

747
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautifully said, it's so true, and like you, I

748
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: hear this over and over again. It people like, it's

749
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: so bizarre to me. It's like we're all walking around

750
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: feeling that shame or what you just describe, Like it's

751
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: wrong with me. Why can't I just be like atomic habits,

752
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: you know whatever. Why can't I just sit still and

753
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: eat my vegetables? And we don't ever say what's wrong

754
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: with the world we live in that only has one

755
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: model of what it means to be a successful or happier,

756
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: fulfilled person. You know, I got this amazing magazine job

757
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: Gloria Steinem who's at the number one feminist of our times. Yes,

758
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: h yeah, so she found the magazine that I started,

759
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: was given a copy of it by one of our

760
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: editors when she came to our university, University of Michigan,

761
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: and she ended up like mentoring us and recruiting me

762
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: to work at Miss magazine in nineteen ninety nine when

763
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: we closed down hours, which was the greatest honor. Problem

764
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: was I didn't know, but I was an innovator and

765
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: I don't like to go into an office. So I

766
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: had this on paper, perfect job, and I never wanted

767
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: to disappoint her, but the job itself was horrible for me.

768
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: Like how I function best is I drink my coffee.

769
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: I get in the zone, I download all the creativity. Yeah,

770
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: So I would do that. I'd get up, i'd have

771
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: my coffee, i'd get going. I'd come up with all

772
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: these article ideas, and then I'd have to get to

773
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: the damn office and be like I got to stop,

774
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: I got to take a shower, I got to put

775
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: on makeup, I got to put on a bra I

776
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: gotta get on the subway. It's all. And then like

777
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: by the time I get there, I'm tired and I've

778
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: lost all my inspiration.

779
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: So now I feel anymore?

780
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And so it's like if I had been

781
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: able to be like listen, guys, I'm an innovator, so

782
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: let me come in at noon. Yeah, but especially because

783
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: it was a women's magazine and women's culture was like

784
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: everybody has to be fair, nobody gets a bigger slice

785
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: of kid, you know, nobody gets to be so and

786
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't about being special. It's just about like playing

787
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: to our strength. So so I ended up going and

788
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: working at a dot com where you know, where I

789
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: could come in as I could come in nobody even

790
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: knew if you were there half the time, but which

791
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: was much better for an innovator. But then I even

792
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: didn't last there and I started my own business and

793
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: never went back, like a chat innovator. Yeah, thinking about

794
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: how perfect the name of your podcast even is, like

795
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: velvet is so sensual like the water and the edge

796
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: for the innovator.

797
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: You know, isn't it crazy? Because I didn't know, like

798
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: this is why this conversation is so validating to me.

799
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: But you can literally break down all of the things

800
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: that I do naturally as a human and it makes

801
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: sense with this kind of personality test.

802
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: It's crazy and never craz on so many people. So

803
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know why it works, and you know,

804
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: these skeptical guys were like, well, prove the song. I'm like,

805
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: just do it for a thousand people. That's science.

806
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: That is the science that Then this is why when

807
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: people say to me astrology is not really I'm like,

808
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: you just haven't spent enough time with it then, because

809
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: it is the map. It's the map to ourselves. It's

810
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: the map to your life, your roadmap for your life,

811
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: even the transits. And when you start understanding all of that,

812
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: it's like you're exactly where you're supposed to be at

813
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: all times, and it all starts to make sense. And

814
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: for me that is really comforting and moving because I

815
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: almost cried.

816
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: And not just because you're a cancer, but not just.

817
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: Because I have a lot of water.

818
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: I guess.

819
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's true. Everyone I know, who

820
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: you know, tries astrology enough to get the map, and

821
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: the system never stops using it. You're like, Okay, you

822
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: don't have to believe in it, but do that at

823
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: your own parrol over there. It's not even a it's

824
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: also not a belief system. It's a tool. That's what

825
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: I tell people, Like, do you believe in kelcs? No?

826
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: What would you use one to do? Some long division. Yeah, okay,

827
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: well same thing.

828
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it is actually science. It's all about

829
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: the planets, So it's happening. I mean it's not that's

830
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: not just some like feeling or made up sensation. It's

831
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: an actual to me, that's an actual science.

832
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, and also let's look at what quote unquote

833
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: science has had us believe. Even in the last twenty

834
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: thirty years, it's been totally debunked, Like why what is

835
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: this culture where like science is this thing we have

836
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: this reverence for and don't question either, like question astrology,

837
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: go right ahead to question science exactly.

838
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm dying because this is such an two innovators having

839
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: a comp right now, we're.

840
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: Like question everything right like we do, you know before breakfast?

841
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, well, as we as we mentioned, the book

842
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: is called The Astrology Advantage, and I hope that you

843
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: guys got a little taste of what you can find

844
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: in the book.

845
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: There is also just such a breakdown of how to

846
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: take your IM profile and use it to use it

847
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: in business, like you said relationships. I mean, you can

848
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: use it about the food you eat, when you eat,

849
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: all the things, like you can really start to map

850
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: out every single thing you do in your life. Is

851
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: there anything you feel like the listeners need to know

852
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: that we didn't touch on just of the basic overall

853
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: vibe of the astrology advantage.

854
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: I think just you know what, I would just say,

855
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: it's not an either or thing, like, enjoy a lifelong

856
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: relationship with your chart and learning all the astro geekory

857
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: and then just have this kind of as your shortcut,

858
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: like you can. It's designed to and for as much

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Speaker 3: or as little astrology as you want. And probably because

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Speaker 3: most of the people listening are into astrology or at

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Speaker 3: least open to it, they probably have someone in their

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Speaker 3: life who's a skeptic. So this book is awesome for

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Speaker 3: skeptics because they do it. And it's very like there's

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Speaker 3: no symbols or anything, just a chart. Like it's like

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Speaker 3: a lot of people have thanked us like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I can finally get my boyfriend to understand why I'm

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Speaker 3: or what even sometimes a skeptical woman. But you know,

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Speaker 3: people who have been dying to use astrology's powers in

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Speaker 3: these places where it hasn't gone are loving the system

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Speaker 3: because it's because people have done Meyer's Briggs and any

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Speaker 3: acclaim in those places, so they get it. So I

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Speaker 3: hope that you use it and have fun. Follow us

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Speaker 3: at astro twins on Instagram and tell us how you

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Speaker 3: use it, you know, ask us through questions to share

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Speaker 3: your I am and yeah, just have fun with it.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well you already answer. I was going to say where

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Speaker 2: can people keep up with you? But I will put

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Speaker 2: all I'll put the link to the book and I'll

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Speaker 2: put the Instagram. Is there anywhere else people should be

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Speaker 2: following along to keep up with what you guys are doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have all of our daily, weekly, and monthly

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Speaker 3: forecasts at astrostyle dot com. That's our website. Tons of information.

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Speaker 3: You can come and learn and join our mailing list

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Speaker 3: because you'll find out when our next astrology courses, probably

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Speaker 3: in early twenty twenty five. Come and learn how to

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Speaker 3: read a chart with so much fun, so much fun doing.

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Speaker 2: That, don and done again. I will put this in

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Speaker 2: the description of the podcast for you, guys. Afar, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is so fun. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening.

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