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Speaker 1: so let's get into it real quick. Unthinkable, unimaginable, barbaric, brutal, atrocious.
Speaker 1: These were all words to describe what happened Thursday night
Speaker 1: at the end of the brown Steelers game or Myles
Speaker 1: Garrett hit Mason Rudolph over the head with with Rudolph's
Speaker 1: helmet that he had just ripped off of his head.
Speaker 1: And and look, this is this was not something that
Speaker 1: we see very often. It was obviously above and beyond
Speaker 1: a normal even the normal football fight. And and I
Speaker 1: feel like the lead acted swiftly and and did the
Speaker 1: right thing. And they suspended Garrett for the remainder of
Speaker 1: the regular season and any postseason if the Browns take
Speaker 1: part in it. And uh, the Garrett will have to
Speaker 1: meet with the commissioner to get reinstated. Now the NFL
Speaker 1: p A will well, I'm sure have something to say
Speaker 1: about that. There will be an appeal and we'll see
Speaker 1: how this plays out as the process, you know what
Speaker 1: happens with that process. And I was texting with Troy Vincent,
Speaker 1: the VP of football Operations at the NFL, after it happened,
Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, and he, you know, he
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, listen, you know me personally, I
Speaker 1: have very little tolerance for these types of actions. Now,
Speaker 1: what Troy and his group did, which includes John Runyon,
Speaker 1: former player with the Eagles, who's in charge of player compliance,
Speaker 1: they got together and they decided on the suspensions. They
Speaker 1: did that on Friday, And they do the suspensions first
Speaker 1: because that impacts the aster right, teams have to make adjustments,
Speaker 1: maybe bring somebody up from the practice squad, maybe signed someone.
Speaker 1: So they made that so so your suspensions, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: the Garrett suspension is the longest one, and then you've
Speaker 1: got Marquise Pouncey who got three games, and then Larry
Speaker 1: Ogan Joebi who got a game. Right. Who didn't get
Speaker 1: a suspension was Mason Rudolph. A lot of people felt
Speaker 1: he was involved. Uh, and and you know, Travis was
Speaker 1: one of those. He was one of those. Mason Rudolph started.
Speaker 1: He he thinks he should have been suspended, but obviously
Speaker 1: the league felt otherwise. But there will be a lot
Speaker 1: of fines now they got the suspensions out of the way.
Speaker 1: Now this week they're gonna look at the tape and
Speaker 1: they're gonna find players. They're gonna find players for getting
Speaker 1: involved in the fight. They're gonna find players for running
Speaker 1: off the bench to get involved and and this will
Speaker 1: be a big, big number. The thing I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of talk about a little bit is,
Speaker 1: you know, it did though that reaction did feel it
Speaker 1: felt a little over the top. Not and doning what
Speaker 1: what Garrett did, but it felt like there was this
Speaker 1: rush to judgment. And I had a good conversation with
Speaker 1: Howie Long and Kyle Long in the studio on Sunday
Speaker 1: and they both felt that, look, it's and Kyle especially,
Speaker 1: I mean how he played during a different era. But
Speaker 1: Kyle especially said, you know, it's really hard when when
Speaker 1: and I agree, when you're asking these guys to play
Speaker 1: a violent game and be physical and be aggressive and
Speaker 1: be violent, it's really hard to turn it off, and
Speaker 1: there's that invisible line somewhere where we're asking these guys
Speaker 1: to be physical and aggressive and violent. And I think
Speaker 1: and they were being honest, and Kyle was being honest
Speaker 1: and saying it's tough, it's tough to turn it off,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I think I'm just surprised that people
Speaker 1: were surprised, honestly. And I think that that when you
Speaker 1: have a physical game and you look at I thought
Speaker 1: Aaron Foster, the former running back um in the league,
Speaker 1: I thought he had a couple of good, good comments
Speaker 1: and a good take on it that hey, look this
Speaker 1: this is not something we want to see in the game,
Speaker 1: but you know, we see it in other sports and
Speaker 1: hockey they fight, they hit each other with sticks at times,
Speaker 1: that's accepted. It's it's it's a penalty, but it's accepted.
Speaker 1: In baseball, they throw, they throw at the batter. That's
Speaker 1: dangerous as well. And uh, and it's it's not it's
Speaker 1: not condoned, but it's kind of accepted as just part
Speaker 1: of what what happens outside the lines necessarily. And I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see, you know, we we we got
Speaker 1: Howie and Kyle saying it's really tough, and there's that
Speaker 1: invisible line. We're gonna hear from a guy that played
Speaker 1: in the NFL a very physical position, Jim Finn, who
Speaker 1: was a fullback who kind of has a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different take, and uh and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: and just kind of in preparing to talk to Jim
Speaker 1: and getting his initial thoughts, I think you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: from Jim on and and how in terms of respect
Speaker 1: of the game and where he feels that the heat
Speaker 1: of the moment um is not a is not an
Speaker 1: excuse for for what happens. So we'll get into that
Speaker 1: in uh in a little bit here. All right. Now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna bring in our special guest this week,
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that played in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and definitely want to get his take. I think I'll
Speaker 1: have a really unique perspective on on what happened and
Speaker 1: what playing in the NFL is about and how physical
Speaker 1: it is. Um. This guy that played a position that
Speaker 1: that we don't see this position at least the traditional sense,
Speaker 1: very off very often now anymore, the fullback position. And
Speaker 1: a guy that that came up with the Bears, played
Speaker 1: for the Colts and actually won a Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: the Giants. Jim Finn, Jim, how you doing alright, guys, Alry,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. We we were
Speaker 1: just talking about the whole Miles Garrett thing and and
Speaker 1: you know, it just felt like obviously it happened, and
Speaker 1: and it was something that you don't see very often,
Speaker 1: but the reaction, you know, at least me, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt that something the reaction was somewhat overboard and
Speaker 1: that so many people were were were in shock and
Speaker 1: horrified that this happened. I'm curious as to like what
Speaker 1: your take on it is. You know, had you seen
Speaker 1: something like that before in your experience, whether it was
Speaker 1: in practice or or whenever, and like when you saw it,
Speaker 1: like what what were you thinking? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: there's no place for that in the game. Um I
Speaker 1: my opinion is I would have him sit for sixteen
Speaker 1: games a full season. Um. You know, he literally had
Speaker 1: I would say two or three seconds when he had
Speaker 1: when he ripped the helmet off and he was chasing
Speaker 1: after him, there's a guy in between trying to break that,
Speaker 1: break the fight up. So when people talk about the reaction,
Speaker 1: you know, he was just a heat in the moment
Speaker 1: when you rip someone's helmet off. Three seconds later, there
Speaker 1: has to be a period of time where in your
Speaker 1: mind you're saying, I can't swing and knock this guy
Speaker 1: in the head without a helmet on. It's a salt
Speaker 1: It's straight up a salt um, you know. I one
Speaker 1: time we were scrimmaging the jets tern training camp and
Speaker 1: we had we were doing a nine on seven drill
Speaker 1: and you know, we had a huge brawl. But I
Speaker 1: mean I've never seen uh, you know first and guy.
Speaker 1: I mean there's been players that had helmets ripped off,
Speaker 1: but using it as a weapon to literally swing and
Speaker 1: hit a guy in the face or the head. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just insane. Um. It's an embarrassment to the organization
Speaker 1: and for the player. UM. I would if I was
Speaker 1: the league, I would have him in therapy for a
Speaker 1: certain amount of sessions before he even can't be considered
Speaker 1: to come back onto the field. So you don't you
Speaker 1: don't buy the whole heat of the moment thing just
Speaker 1: a reaction. You think he had enough time in that
Speaker 1: in that moment to kind of gather himself and say, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I can't I can't do this absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you know that was the whole point I was saying, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. In the heat in a moment, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: he was wrestling around with Rudolph, and Rudolph you know,
Speaker 1: seemed to twist his helmet a little, which that's the
Speaker 1: only justification where I could say, all right, there was
Speaker 1: the heat at a moment where he overreacted and responded
Speaker 1: to that, right he has had hit him. I was
Speaker 1: getting twisted off a little. It didn't end up being
Speaker 1: pulled off the entire way. So he essentially did that
Speaker 1: in response to what you know, he was what was
Speaker 1: taking place with Rudolph. But from that point forward, there
Speaker 1: was clearly enough time to realize this isn't something you
Speaker 1: need to be doing. And you know, whether he likes
Speaker 1: it or not, he's somewhat of a leader on that team,
Speaker 1: at least on defense. Being a first overall pick Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes along with that, a lot
Speaker 1: of responsibility, right, Um, So those you you would hope
Speaker 1: those things factor into being able to be composed in
Speaker 1: a moment like that. Um, you know, I think the
Speaker 1: the immediate reaction was just ripping a helmet off from
Speaker 1: that point forward, there's no excuse for what he did. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know I was talking to I was talking to
Speaker 1: Howie Long and and Kyle Long about it in the
Speaker 1: studio and they both I mean obviously how he played
Speaker 1: during a different era and we know you've watched those
Speaker 1: tapes and that was just it was just we accepted
Speaker 1: more at that time and you see those old videos.
Speaker 1: But but Kyle, who's obviously played you know, recently, and
Speaker 1: he said it was hard for him. It was hard
Speaker 1: to turn it off. You know, you're asked it's it's
Speaker 1: a violent game, especially you know in the offensive and
Speaker 1: decent defensive line. And he said it was hard to
Speaker 1: play aggressive and to play violent and then just turn
Speaker 1: it off. And that was something that you know, he
Speaker 1: really worked on and really you know, talked to his
Speaker 1: coaches about what in your experience, you know, how hard
Speaker 1: is it how you played a physical position fullback you're
Speaker 1: in the trenches to how hard is it? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know, I totally get that some players need to
Speaker 1: like really flip a switch. Um, I guess from my perspective,
Speaker 1: I was a player that you know, I felt like
Speaker 1: I was prepared, I was able to do my job
Speaker 1: and not have to like turn a switch on to
Speaker 1: a different person. You know, obviously I'm not uh you know,
Speaker 1: being physical and uh when when I'm outside the lines,
Speaker 1: but like being aware and having a clear mind. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been in a position where within
Speaker 1: a three second period I could realize, at least on
Speaker 1: the field, where you know you're about to do something
Speaker 1: really really stupid and you just just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: having either the excuse of well, I just flipped the
Speaker 1: switch when I'm playing the game. That to me, from
Speaker 1: what the type of person and player that I was,
Speaker 1: even being physical every play, I was able to have
Speaker 1: the awareness and you know, at least within a three
Speaker 1: second period to know what really is not okay. And
Speaker 1: that just for me doesn't work. Um, But I understand
Speaker 1: there are guys that are real passionate, and you know,
Speaker 1: they they pull a lot of intensity and and focus
Speaker 1: from you know, the mental aspect of like flip the switch.
Speaker 1: I'm a different person and you've got to be a
Speaker 1: savage out in the field. Um, But I would like
Speaker 1: to think that I was kind of a calm, cool,
Speaker 1: collected type player. Um. Always understanding first and foremost, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, with my responsibility to the organization on the
Speaker 1: field as representing them, representing myself. And I guess to
Speaker 1: some degree it's how you view the game, the respect
Speaker 1: you have for the game. And for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I was an old school type player, so I would
Speaker 1: never want to do things that you know, would reflect
Speaker 1: negative And even with the show boating and the celebrations
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, that just wasn't part of the
Speaker 1: player I was and what I took, what what I
Speaker 1: took pride in, you know. So with that said, I
Speaker 1: feel like I always try to, you know, me contained
Speaker 1: the right right amount of sportsmanship with you know a
Speaker 1: lot of responsibility that comes with playing in the NFL. Sure,
Speaker 1: And and so for you, you know, you you last
Speaker 1: played in two thousand seven. You know, how have you
Speaker 1: how do you view like where the league is today
Speaker 1: and how the game has changed since you since you
Speaker 1: left the field. You know, where do you think the
Speaker 1: game is now? Do you think it's in a better place,
Speaker 1: you know, as relaced the player safety or rules and
Speaker 1: in terms of just what you've been seeing the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, well, listen, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of attention has been brought with the whole concussion deal
Speaker 1: and firsthand, I've seen and heard amount many stories of
Speaker 1: foreign players and what they're dealing with in their lives.
Speaker 1: After um SO, the culture had to change, and um
Speaker 1: players are getting faster and stronger every year. The equipment
Speaker 1: was obviously getting better and better. Um Like, for me,
Speaker 1: when I dropped on my helmet, I literally felt it
Speaker 1: invincible with a helmet on, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: can run full speed into anything and be fine. I
Speaker 1: mean sometimes I look back and I tell myself, like,
Speaker 1: how could I have not been like really conscious of
Speaker 1: what it was doing to my brain? But having that
Speaker 1: helmet on provided me this mentality that I was safe.
Speaker 1: And so um as the game has evolved from the
Speaker 1: leather helmets and you know one bar face masks, it's
Speaker 1: you know, the game changed to more of a using
Speaker 1: the helmet as like you know, a weapon, like full
Speaker 1: on leading with the helmet. People were playing real physical
Speaker 1: and I love what's in taking place over the last
Speaker 1: I don't know, in twelve years. It's it's basically a
Speaker 1: reverse evolution, like you gotta evolve slowly back to the
Speaker 1: safer way to tackle. And I think, you know, you're
Speaker 1: seeing a huge difference in it. I know guys, you know,
Speaker 1: especially the defenders, that puts them in a really difficult
Speaker 1: position because the game is fast and there are split
Speaker 1: second decisions that have to be made and guys their
Speaker 1: jobs are on the line. I can't even imagine being
Speaker 1: a safety or you know, a linebacker where you have
Speaker 1: to hold up UM out of fear of you know,
Speaker 1: having a player or or you know, even fines guys whore.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's guys that are making rookie minimum
Speaker 1: wage salaries for the league that you know are getting
Speaker 1: fined and it's almost like a game check. I know
Speaker 1: they have the rules where it needs to be or whatever,
Speaker 1: but that's serious money. And when you have that dilemma,
Speaker 1: and the flip side of that is you may end
Speaker 1: up on the bench or get taken out of a
Speaker 1: certain package on defense, you could lose your job. UM
Speaker 1: and with the speed of the game, that's a really
Speaker 1: really tough situation to be in. UM. Thank god for
Speaker 1: me offensively that you know, that wasn't something I had
Speaker 1: to be concerned with. But UM, overall, I think it's
Speaker 1: better for the league. We won't really be able to
Speaker 1: see how the effects of that. UM. The change for
Speaker 1: at least another fifteen and twenty years when these players
Speaker 1: are admitted forties and fifties, you know, to really see
Speaker 1: how you know, the fewer hits during training camp, uh,
Speaker 1: and the less hits to the head, you know, especially
Speaker 1: on big hits. UM. How that you know, change is
Speaker 1: really going to affect guys long term. UM. I think
Speaker 1: it needs to. I need. I think they need to
Speaker 1: continue with the focus being on that UM. And you know,
Speaker 1: certainly the league will because the liability issues. UM. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. And I think it's
Speaker 1: only going to get better players, you know, from a
Speaker 1: younger age now or being taught how to tackle the
Speaker 1: right way UM or a safer way. And it's that's
Speaker 1: just a natural evolution that is only going to improve
Speaker 1: as time goes by. Yeah. And I think you make
Speaker 1: a lot of good points, and this is this is
Speaker 1: a sea change. This is not a short term thing.
Speaker 1: This is a long term thing for the future of
Speaker 1: the game. And I remember talking to Mike Tomlin and
Speaker 1: and he you know a lot of times we would
Speaker 1: meet with the with representatives from the NFL p A
Speaker 1: and talk about rules changes, and a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys would go especially on the defensive side the ball.
Speaker 1: How am I supposed to make that play, you know,
Speaker 1: without sticking my head in there? And Tomlin, you know,
Speaker 1: he finally, and this is a guy that coached the Steelers,
Speaker 1: you know, during a time when you had guys like
Speaker 1: James Harrison and Ryan Clark, a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: that were big, big hitters, and he said, you know what,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just can't make that play. And and and that,
Speaker 1: like you said, is such a dilemma for a player
Speaker 1: because now I gotta worry about the penalty I to
Speaker 1: worry about. Now I'm letting that you know, letting that
Speaker 1: receiver catch that football where before I could really blow
Speaker 1: them up. And uh, but I think the short term,
Speaker 1: you know that that short term maybe angst is it
Speaker 1: pales in comparison to the long term health of the game.
Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's where we're headed. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you understand that for a given player, um,
Speaker 1: that may at some some period impact his career if
Speaker 1: it's some crazy play where he ends up getting released
Speaker 1: or cut or you know, removed off of the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: But the long term and safety of the league and
Speaker 1: their players is key and guys don't necessarily realize that.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know, and your your twenties and
Speaker 1: you're playing. No one's really concerned about what's going to
Speaker 1: go on later in their lives. But I think they're
Speaker 1: starting to understand that and see with everything that's gone on,
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, yes, things sometimes when you got
Speaker 1: when you're the one that's you know, in that dilemma,
Speaker 1: but it's just part of part of what needs to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, and for the for for the safety of
Speaker 1: a football I mean, if if the NFL didn't change
Speaker 1: what was going on, you know, who knows whether there
Speaker 1: would have been a league in thirty forty fifty years
Speaker 1: or what type of success it would have had, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: So I think they did what they needed to do,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the players are just gonna have
Speaker 1: to slowly, uh you know, adapt to it. I know
Speaker 1: it's difficult. Um, Like we talked about, the speed of
Speaker 1: the game is so much faster and it's only getting
Speaker 1: going to get faster. But that comes once you're starting
Speaker 1: in the pevee football levels and on from high school,
Speaker 1: college and the prosy. They should be able to adapt.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, think about college. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: you get a you get a launch, a penalty, and
Speaker 1: you're you tick that you kicked out of a game, right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: I understand that that shouldn't I don't think that should
Speaker 1: be applied in the NFL. But um, guys, when they're
Speaker 1: being taught that regularly, constantly throughout their entire football careers
Speaker 1: before they get into the league, um, they're only going
Speaker 1: to be better at handling those like split second decisions
Speaker 1: or you know, just understanding the right way to avoid it. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so we uh we wanted to. Joe was looking up
Speaker 1: a little bit of your career stats and and we
Speaker 1: have a couple of questions for you. But actually your
Speaker 1: college career was no joke at at at Penn And
Speaker 1: I mean you you have the fourth highest total rushing
Speaker 1: yards in school history. Um, you you actually played. You
Speaker 1: played on the defensive side of the ball for a
Speaker 1: couple of games, you played safety, so you played both ways. Um,
Speaker 1: obviously you were dy afted. You were drafted by the
Speaker 1: Bears and then went into the more of a traditional fullback,
Speaker 1: so you didn't have you didn't have a ton of
Speaker 1: opportunities to carry the ball. But Joe, why don't you,
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell Jim what you found out about
Speaker 1: his his rushing stats? So we found eleven carries for
Speaker 1: thirty yards. But but but two thousand and six. But
Speaker 1: I went on Wikipedia time. I went on Wikipedia and
Speaker 1: it says you had you had six rushes for forty
Speaker 1: four yards with the cults. So are you on Wikipedia
Speaker 1: put in your stats? Is it which one? Is it thirty?
Speaker 1: Which one? Uh? So? What was the it was? What
Speaker 1: was the thirty? How many carries for that? Had I
Speaker 1: found on ESPN eleven for eleven carries for thirty yards?
Speaker 1: Dean went on Wikipedia. It's at forty four yards in
Speaker 1: six carr in six rushes and three years with the Colts,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much the reference has eleven for thirty
Speaker 1: as well. Jeez, I don't even remember how many carries
Speaker 1: I had, But you were more. But you actually were
Speaker 1: actually more of a receiving out of the backfield. You
Speaker 1: actually caught he passes for says four and twenty three
Speaker 1: yards in one touchdown. Yeah, I mean you know in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: Uh we had Edgar and James, so giving me the
Speaker 1: it was not the priority. And you got more carries
Speaker 1: than you and Indie Nerve Peyton likes to spread it around.
Speaker 1: But then the question is are you patting your stats
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia company right now? I have not. I did
Speaker 1: not claim to be a running back. I mean when
Speaker 1: I was in college, uh, I actually was came in
Speaker 1: as a running back. Um, I wanted to get on
Speaker 1: the field as a sophomore because we had a senior
Speaker 1: running back, so I asked switched to safety. And then
Speaker 1: the junior my junior year or are running back wasn't
Speaker 1: doing so well. I was the short yardage and gold
Speaker 1: of line running back and I basically had popped off,
Speaker 1: you know, like a bunch of long runs in that
Speaker 1: role while I was still playing on defense. And then
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were struggling on offense. We
Speaker 1: couldn't get anything rolling. And then I basically begged the
Speaker 1: kind of coach to switch me over or at least
Speaker 1: let me play both sides. And there was one game
Speaker 1: I actually played both sides, and then after that I
Speaker 1: was strictly running back. I mean that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. I had. I had no intentions of running
Speaker 1: the ball in the NFL because I was I was
Speaker 1: not fast enough to avoid all those hits and uh,
Speaker 1: it definitely didn't mind being a fullback. It was much
Speaker 1: much more of a preferred role than trying to carry
Speaker 1: the ball. But actually another another two trivia, like cool
Speaker 1: things about Jim Finn You were Mr Irrelevant in in
Speaker 1: Is there like do you guys all I get together?
Speaker 1: Is there like a Mr Irrelevant house like the Heisman
Speaker 1: House where you guys all want to hang out and
Speaker 1: talk about your your relevancy? Was that? Unfortunately unfortunately not? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, they have it every year. UM. I was
Speaker 1: actually the twenty four, I believe, and so uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm Mountain, California, so I I attend those dinners. They
Speaker 1: have a bank. It's a week long celebration. UM. One
Speaker 1: night there is a big banquet. So I was at
Speaker 1: the four. And the next year they had the twenty five.
Speaker 1: They brought as many players back as they could. UM.
Speaker 1: And then I've been a few other random years, you know,
Speaker 1: just when I haven't get invited and when it works
Speaker 1: out my schedule. But there's a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: you know are there from the league, UM, whether or
Speaker 1: not just the Mr Relevans UM. You know, Jim Moore
Speaker 1: and my coach was there one year. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there's tons of guys from the league, all uh West
Speaker 1: Coast guys mostly Well, I've got I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta do a little research, but I would imagine
Speaker 1: you're one of the more successful Mr. Re elevants you played.
Speaker 1: You know, you had a pretty good career for for
Speaker 1: being the last pick in the draft. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like I like to believe I I carried the name.
Speaker 1: Well for the irrelevant guys, you got Ryan Sucker, though
Speaker 1: he's been been around for a while. He was actually
Speaker 1: the twenty five I believe. Um, so he's been around,
Speaker 1: he's been doing his thing. Um, Marty Moore was a
Speaker 1: linebacker special team guy for the Patriots. Um, those are
Speaker 1: the two that jump out most for me. And um
Speaker 1: the other one Joe found this is I don't even
Speaker 1: know if you know the answer to this, but Joe
Speaker 1: found this one. You are one of You are one
Speaker 1: of two NFL players to catch passes from both Peyton
Speaker 1: and Eli Manning. Yeah, I do know that. You know
Speaker 1: who the other guy was, Brandon Who who throw the
Speaker 1: better ball? Uh, Peyton, I would say Peyton. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the obvious pick. He did. I'm and
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It wasn't There wasn't a huge difference
Speaker 1: in the Yeah for sure, Um, but yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I would have to go with Peyton. That's awesome. But hey, Jim,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time, and uh and
Speaker 1: best of luck with everything that you're doing. And uh
Speaker 1: and come join us again sometime. All right, man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for having me. All right, take care
Speaker 1: of guys. All right, thanks again to Jim for joining us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take the quick break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a weekly subject on this podcast. Past
Speaker 1: a deference review in the NFL. Next stunt, Good Calls.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back here on good Calls. Let's get
Speaker 1: into it past an inference. It feels like it's we
Speaker 1: ply topic. There's weekly controversy. It's a subjective call. So
Speaker 1: on Sunday, it was it was the Texans Baltimore game.
Speaker 1: Notice I didn't say Houston. It was the Texans Ravens game.
Speaker 1: First quarter. Look, the game ended up forty one seven,
Speaker 1: So but it's early enough to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I would this have been been a turning point. First quarter.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins's fourth quarter play look like interference. It looked
Speaker 1: like the contact was earlier Maul and Humphrey contacted him.
Speaker 1: The Texans challenge ruling on the field stands and uh,
Speaker 1: and had a lot of people talking, you know, why,
Speaker 1: why how is this not clear and obvious past an inference?
Speaker 1: You know, CB, it was a CBS game, Gene territory
Speaker 1: of the rules. Analyst on CBS thought it was past inference.
Speaker 1: We thought it was past an inference, and uh, and
Speaker 1: the ruling on the field stood. And then and then
Speaker 1: later in the afternoon Arizona San Francisco early in the game,
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman on Christian Kirk, no call on the field,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals challenge and the foul has added and replaying.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are questioning, you know,
Speaker 1: where is the consistency in the two decisions. They're both
Speaker 1: passing affairance, right, I mean, they're they both Sherman was
Speaker 1: clearly early, Humphrey was clearly early, and uh. But one
Speaker 1: results in a foul, one doesn't. And then and you know,
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee, who's been who's been very outspoken about this rule,
Speaker 1: tweeted again, Travis, what did what did coach Dungee have
Speaker 1: to say? He said, NFL office just overturned a non
Speaker 1: pass interfairance calling Richard Sherman. After all the calls they've
Speaker 1: let stand today, how can this one get reversed? I
Speaker 1: know I'm on a soapbox, but this is not fair
Speaker 1: to anyone. YEA fair to the cards you said it is.
Speaker 1: It's fair than Cardinals. They'll take it. It's tough because
Speaker 1: again you and look, this is a very very difficult
Speaker 1: call to make on the field, and it's a tough
Speaker 1: call to then legislate and replay. And and that's why
Speaker 1: A in and I'm on a soapbox every time I
Speaker 1: say it that that I don't feel like these calls
Speaker 1: should be subject to replay review because it's tough you
Speaker 1: and you you overturn one, and then a similar type
Speaker 1: play you don't overturn. And it's like the league has
Speaker 1: now put itself in a box. But to me, the
Speaker 1: bigger picture issue is that we're we're seeing calls that
Speaker 1: are not made on the field. And we talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about this last week. Is this is this
Speaker 1: starting to sink into the the psyche of the on
Speaker 1: field official because you think about that. Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: no call what we would call a no call in Houston, Baltimore. Right,
Speaker 1: no flag throwne doesn't doesn't get added and replay everybody
Speaker 1: thinks it's past inference. What is the what is the
Speaker 1: communication to that official you know, next time it happens,
Speaker 1: don't throw your flag because it's obviously past an inference
Speaker 1: And we're not getting these calls on the field, So
Speaker 1: it's affecting the on field officials performance. And that's where
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's a problem because it all starts.
Speaker 1: Rules are written for officials to make decisions in real
Speaker 1: time on the field, not to make replay decisions. And
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the issue here and
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people are are
Speaker 1: are upset about it, and and it's just a tough,
Speaker 1: tough play to officiate in replay when when again, the
Speaker 1: rules written to do it on the field in real time.
Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked with the Richard Sherman one because
Speaker 1: it was clearly the past inference that he had his
Speaker 1: arm on his back, raking down his back, pulling his
Speaker 1: jersey like pulled him down, and then the ball hit
Speaker 1: him and hit Christian Kirk in the head and and
Speaker 1: at the same time he was pulling on his back,
Speaker 1: he had his left arm held back. You were surprised
Speaker 1: that it wasn't called on that. That that's my thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's how is that not called on on the field?
Speaker 1: Initially when you have again every receiver elig every eligible
Speaker 1: receiver has as an official that's watching that receiver, you know,
Speaker 1: at the snap. Initially that's an initial key. Then they
Speaker 1: go to his own concept, then they go to the football.
Speaker 1: That ball is in the air, it's a deep pass,
Speaker 1: it was a forty something yard passed. There should be
Speaker 1: multiple sets of eyes on that action. And we're not
Speaker 1: getting that call on the field. And and I think
Speaker 1: that everybody wants to complain about replay, but forget about replay.
Speaker 1: It starts on the field. And uh, and that's where
Speaker 1: the you know, we have to make sure that the
Speaker 1: officials are are understanding what is and what is in
Speaker 1: past inference and and working on how to improve in
Speaker 1: that area. And that's and that's the biggest thing you
Speaker 1: look at. You know, a couple of other calls that
Speaker 1: were that were either um made or or picked up.
Speaker 1: You had another one in that in that cardinal pointing
Speaker 1: under game on Joe Walker, that looked like he was
Speaker 1: in good position. He had his he he had his
Speaker 1: playing the football, he had his head turned around and
Speaker 1: the receiver actually played through his back and he got called.
Speaker 1: Walker got called for defensive past inference. And then in
Speaker 1: the Jets game, the Jets Washington game, Damarius Thomas got
Speaker 1: called for offensive past deference when it was clear that
Speaker 1: the the defender initiated the contact with Thomas. Now the
Speaker 1: Jets challenged that and it was properly overturned. But again,
Speaker 1: end we gotta get it right on the field initially,
Speaker 1: and I worry about that, you know, this whole replay
Speaker 1: thing affecting the on field officials performance UM going into
Speaker 1: the week sixty five reviews for past inference only ten
Speaker 1: overturns UM through so far through week eleven, we've had
Speaker 1: we've had two additional overturns and uh. And we'll see
Speaker 1: how how the rest of the season plays out. But
Speaker 1: this is going to be a topic and what I
Speaker 1: worry about, honestly, I worry about the the the the
Speaker 1: standard during the regular season changing during the postseason because
Speaker 1: the game's obviously all games matter, right, But in the
Speaker 1: postseason it's winner go home. And I worry that the
Speaker 1: bar is gonna get lowered in the postseason in terms
Speaker 1: of creating thousand replay because of the magnitude of the games.
Speaker 1: And that's where you play under a certain set of
Speaker 1: parameters throughout the regular season and it changes in the postseason.
Speaker 1: And and that's that's inconsistent. It's just my concern. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's gonna happen, but I do, I do
Speaker 1: think about It doesn't keep me up at night. What
Speaker 1: keeps you up at night is when Joe texts me
Speaker 1: about his Tesla getting a download and sending him an
Speaker 1: email that it's faster than it was the night before.
Speaker 1: That keeps me up at night because he texts me
Speaker 1: at midnight to tell me that. But anyway, um, onside kick,
Speaker 1: let's go to the onside kick. We had a a surprise.
Speaker 1: We had a successful onside kick. But it was a
Speaker 1: surprise on side kick. It was Jason Sanders um from
Speaker 1: Miami and the Buffalo Miami game. They obviously saw something
Speaker 1: on tape and and they recovered and Sanders was the
Speaker 1: one that actually recovered the kick himself and and as
Speaker 1: as our our former colleague at Fox Sports who's now
Speaker 1: with the ESPN, Pat McAfee, he said that that was
Speaker 1: to recover an onside kick's point zero one per cent
Speaker 1: of the population can do that, and the athletic feat
Speaker 1: that it that it was. It takes a very special
Speaker 1: athlete to do that. But surprise, surprise on side kicks
Speaker 1: or looked at differently than expected on side kicks. The
Speaker 1: league looks at the expected on side kick and they
Speaker 1: look at that accuracy percentage. And if you're talking about
Speaker 1: expected on side kicks, were one for twenty nine so
Speaker 1: far um through week eleven um. I think I said
Speaker 1: week ten earlier, but through week eleven three again on
Speaker 1: side kick. I had a good conversation with with one
Speaker 1: of my former colleagues at the NFL and and his
Speaker 1: take was that even though the on side kick is
Speaker 1: not successful to the extent that it was in previous years,
Speaker 1: just just the idea that the onside kick is still
Speaker 1: available and it's still a potential. Um the success is
Speaker 1: still the potential still there that that that is enough
Speaker 1: to to keep it in the game and to keep games.
Speaker 1: You know that just the the fear or or the
Speaker 1: the the the actual UM. One of my trying to say,
Speaker 1: Travis helping the excitement of it, just the excitement. It's
Speaker 1: just that's that's enough right now. The league is not
Speaker 1: necessarily going to look to make any change UM small
Speaker 1: sample size eleven weeks. Will continue to monitor that, but
Speaker 1: you need some way for teams without without time outs
Speaker 1: to come back. UM. You asked the question, Travis about
Speaker 1: just as we're talking about replay review the process, the
Speaker 1: communication process and how it works and what is the
Speaker 1: kind of the what's the what are the steps in
Speaker 1: the process, UM, in the NFL and both the n
Speaker 1: c A and and I think it's interesting in the NFL,
Speaker 1: So you have a review is initiated one of two ways.
Speaker 1: It's either a replay officially have a replay official at
Speaker 1: every stadium in a replay booth in the press box
Speaker 1: that replay officials responsible for initiating a review when when
Speaker 1: they are responsible for for that that time frame during
Speaker 1: the game. So it's either you know, scoring play, a
Speaker 1: turnover or inside two minutes, and so the replay official
Speaker 1: initiates the review. A coach can also challenge a review
Speaker 1: when the coach is allowed to challenge and then there's
Speaker 1: a converse Asian. Then the people in New York, someone
Speaker 1: can put on a headset and communicate with that replay
Speaker 1: official and they'll start to line up shots. They'll start
Speaker 1: to look at, Okay, the ruling on the field was
Speaker 1: a catch, Let's look what's the issue. The issue is
Speaker 1: going to be the second foot at the sideline. Let's
Speaker 1: look for the best angle. So they're having that conversation
Speaker 1: setting up angles. Now the referee comes over. The referee
Speaker 1: there's there's a tablet, little device monitor that the referee
Speaker 1: can look at the referee and the and the the
Speaker 1: designated person in New York, whether it's our River Iron
Speaker 1: or Russell York or any of the other designated people
Speaker 1: will now have a conversation with the referee and they'll
Speaker 1: communicate on the play. Just like you and I Travis,
Speaker 1: or you and I Joe would talk about a play
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, let's take a look. He's got control.
Speaker 1: Look at the left foot, it's in bounds. Now, let's
Speaker 1: take a look at the right foot. Is it out.
Speaker 1: Let's look for a better angle. Yes it's in or
Speaker 1: yes it's out. And then they go through the administration
Speaker 1: of rolling on the failed stands. We don't need to
Speaker 1: do anything. We try. If it's a challenge, we charge
Speaker 1: the team and time out. The ball is where it
Speaker 1: is and we go and we move on. If it's overturned,
Speaker 1: then we got to go through the process of Okay,
Speaker 1: it was second in ten, from the forty, now it
Speaker 1: was a catch, Now it's going to be first intent
Speaker 1: from the thirty. UM, whatever it is, we gotta worry
Speaker 1: about the clock. Is it gonna be or do we
Speaker 1: have a runoff situation? Do we gotta reset it? Are
Speaker 1: we gonna start on the snap or the ready for play.
Speaker 1: So there's a sixty second window to make a decision,
Speaker 1: but it's a longer process because you have all of
Speaker 1: the set up pre review, you have the post review administration.
Speaker 1: So that's how it works in in the NFL. UM
Speaker 1: in college a little bit different, where the replay official
Speaker 1: is responsible for stopping the game throughout. The coaches do
Speaker 1: have one challenge if the replay official decides not to
Speaker 1: stop it, and UH and most college conferences, the big
Speaker 1: college conferences you talk about PACK twelve, Big twelve, A C, C,
Speaker 1: and SEC. They all go back to a command center
Speaker 1: and there's a communication between the replay official at the
Speaker 1: stadium and people in the command center, UM, in a
Speaker 1: central location, they make a decision. It's a collaboration. They
Speaker 1: make a decision together. The Big Ten is the one
Speaker 1: of the of the Power five conferences that doesn't go
Speaker 1: back to a command center. It's the replay official and
Speaker 1: the replay official only, UM who's making that decision. And uh,
Speaker 1: and so that's how it works in college. Same thing.
Speaker 1: There's no time limit in college, right, and that's a
Speaker 1: that's a we're talking about it taking two. It takes well,
Speaker 1: it's it's in college. The NFL does a good job.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't write down on cards anymore. They
Speaker 1: just use the wireless communication. I feel like college, we
Speaker 1: need to go to that. UM. There's no time limits,
Speaker 1: So you have to have as a replay official, you
Speaker 1: have to have an internal clock to know that. In
Speaker 1: what we tell college replay officials is if you get
Speaker 1: to the two minute mark, that's it ended, because you
Speaker 1: don't have enough. If you're still worrying about you know,
Speaker 1: whether you you have a right angle with two minutes, UM,
Speaker 1: you don't have enough to overturn it. Let it stand
Speaker 1: unless it's the game ending play and over time and
Speaker 1: it's the national championship. Obviously, take as long as you
Speaker 1: need to take, but for the most part, two minutes.
Speaker 1: Let's end it. We can't be sitting there for three
Speaker 1: or four or five minutes and killing the flow of
Speaker 1: the game. But but that's something that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll be discussed going forward. Should college have a
Speaker 1: time limit like the NFL does, But as long as
Speaker 1: they un averaged there about one in terms of stoppages,
Speaker 1: which is significantly less than the NFL, which is well
Speaker 1: over you know, two minutes per review, and so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But that's the process. Travis. Do you think about going
Speaker 1: into replay, Travis, you think you got you got the judgment.
Speaker 1: I know Joe thinks Joe. If Joe was six inches taller,
Speaker 1: he'd be a replay official. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: Joe could do it, and I think we can all
Speaker 1: do it. Like we spend a lot of time watching
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I think we put in our ten
Speaker 1: thousand hours where we consider ourselves that uh, the experts
Speaker 1: step back. I mean definitely a very impressed Gladwell, you
Speaker 1: gotta wrap about that. I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: the arms for it. You know, these guys were these
Speaker 1: tight jerseys. Now that's on the field though, that's the medium.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of officials. That's the new it's involved.
Speaker 1: So the other thing I was about the subject was
Speaker 1: the communicator who got us back on. The guy sitting
Speaker 1: next to the replay official who's actually looking at the
Speaker 1: there's a communicator in there too, so he's then communicating
Speaker 1: to the broadcast truck. And then yeah, there's there's communication
Speaker 1: between especially on College, because you you have the replay
Speaker 1: official that's stopping the game. Sometimes it's not. You don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they're looking for a targeting that wasn't called, and
Speaker 1: so that communicator has to call the TV truck and
Speaker 1: let them know. Hey, you know, we had to play
Speaker 1: in the studio on Saturday that that we were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what they stopped the game. It wasn't obvious.
Speaker 1: It was just a clear and complete pass. They stopped
Speaker 1: the game. We didn't know, So we're looking through The
Speaker 1: communicators should call the TV truck and say, hey, we're
Speaker 1: looking to see if we have targeting on the It
Speaker 1: was I think it was the back who was going
Speaker 1: out into the flat and you know, give us the number,
Speaker 1: tell us what you're looking for, and then in the
Speaker 1: truck the producer can find the right angle and put
Speaker 1: those on the air, so so the replay official can
Speaker 1: look at it. So that communication is really important and UH,
Speaker 1: and it's initiated by the replay booths, so they can
Speaker 1: tell the TV truck what they're actually reviewing, and then
Speaker 1: the TV truck and the producer can pick the right angles.
Speaker 1: That's great insight. That's what you get here in good calls.
Speaker 1: Now we can talk about my my pipe cleaner arms
Speaker 1: again from working in an office, Travis gets Travis the
Speaker 1: the We'll talk about the office pool after the break.
Speaker 1: But let's let's take a break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll take a shot at the CFB ranking, CFP
Speaker 1: rankings and uh, and we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: Dean had a nipe off over the weekend. Next some
Speaker 1: good call. Alright, we're back on good Call. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little college football playoff. We are still no one
Speaker 1: can get this right, but I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get it right. One of us is
Speaker 1: going to get it right this week. UM. Top four teams,
Speaker 1: Joe go, Why do I always gotta go. You gotta
Speaker 1: go first because I'm because I'm the winner. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: the winner. Right, I'm gonna go with the same four.
Speaker 1: I don't see much move Ohio State, L s U, Clemson, Georgia. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're okay, you're dumb. Go ahead, Travis, I got Ohio State,
Speaker 1: L s U, Clemson, Georgia. You're dumb. You're dumb. To
Speaker 1: you dumb? Okay, let's see what you got. What's the
Speaker 1: smart got? L s U is the number one team
Speaker 1: in the country. Okay. L s U was number one
Speaker 1: in the CFP rankings last week they won again. Okay, O,
Speaker 1: how State beat Rutgers? So you're saying, and O, how
Speaker 1: States win over Rush because we more impressive L s U,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Clemson, and Georgia. That's your four right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: it will change, but that's your four. Who picked the
Speaker 1: game of the week, Who picked the win of the week?
Speaker 1: Which one? Which one are you talking about? It's probably you,
Speaker 1: obviously who Iowa? Iowa be Minnesota because I was setting
Speaker 1: up there were three, Minnesota was nine and now, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't care setting up the Wisconsin Minnesota play the
Speaker 1: game of the year. For the big ten West Thanksgiving weekend. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's uh so Travis, please share with us. How wait
Speaker 1: did you give your four? I just did it? Yeah, okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: the four that just you don't even have to watch Tuesday,
Speaker 1: those are the four. So Saturday Prayer was back in
Speaker 1: the studio after who knows how long, and he felt bad,
Speaker 1: so he I work the early games. I might have
Speaker 1: the rest of the schedule. And you guys were there late, right.
Speaker 1: The last game was was usc Cal started at a
Speaker 1: p m. Pacific. Yeah, we were there till twelve it
Speaker 1: without without it was quiet. There was less Testla talk
Speaker 1: actually none, and then you know, there wasn't any Joe
Speaker 1: talk about but we were clear. I was clearly missed.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Yeah, yeah know, you guys
Speaker 1: were missed definitely. Dean. You kind of drive the conversation
Speaker 1: on on Saturday nights for the most part. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had sushi with with with Mike, which is always nice.
Speaker 1: We have we have other things we do when you're there.
Speaker 1: We do contests and like not contest, but like when
Speaker 1: Mike said, you sit there and do nothing, we do nothing.
Speaker 1: We focus more on the games. Yeah, when I'm there,
Speaker 1: it's more fun. Yeah, it's it's more fun, but it's
Speaker 1: it's fun. Brady Brady Quinn Brady could not have been
Speaker 1: texting me more like prayers, no fun come back. He
Speaker 1: came in a couple of times asking business type questions.
Speaker 1: Oh God, anyway, all right, um, well don't you have
Speaker 1: some stories about Mike? Don't want to talk about not
Speaker 1: on the air now. I do want to, actually do
Speaker 1: want to. I ha gonna get serious for a second,
Speaker 1: or serious as as as I can get. I do.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of things happen um last week
Speaker 1: and I had an epiphany and Joe, if you don't
Speaker 1: know what epiphany means, just google it. So I did
Speaker 1: two things. I'm the first person I feel like we
Speaker 1: we constantly we make fun of each other, and I
Speaker 1: think that's great. But I feel like sometimes in society,
Speaker 1: especially on social media, we're just waiting for people to
Speaker 1: screw up. We're just waiting and we want to jump
Speaker 1: on it. And I'm no different in terms of seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, being being around people and be like oh
Speaker 1: this guy and that guy. But I did two things
Speaker 1: last week and it made me realize that I need
Speaker 1: to stop making fun of people because I did things
Speaker 1: that if somebody else did and I was witnessed to,
Speaker 1: oh my god, So I second, you're not perfect. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm far from far from perfect. But these I
Speaker 1: usually don't make these types of mistakes, and my mistakes
Speaker 1: are usually much bigger pension in my personal life. But anyway, um,
Speaker 1: so I was on getting on a plane and my
Speaker 1: seat I was in nine A. That was my seat,
Speaker 1: and I went to my seat and I sat down,
Speaker 1: and I was all comfy and ready to go to
Speaker 1: bed and get to get a nap in and this
Speaker 1: lady comes up and you know that whole like oh
Speaker 1: you know, and she was very sweet about it, and
Speaker 1: because some people come up like you're in my seat
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh do you what seat do you have?
Speaker 1: And I'm like nine A and she's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is seven A. I was two rows off. Okay, what
Speaker 1: was on your mind when I'll give you one row?
Speaker 1: But two rows off? I don't know. I saw nine
Speaker 1: and then so she was very sweet and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry, they're both windows and I'll sit in nine.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool. And the guy I could
Speaker 1: see him like and and he was upset because she
Speaker 1: was kind of small and me, so he was going
Speaker 1: to sit next to somebody was small and have more
Speaker 1: room where he's sitting there to me, and he's a
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I'm like, if I was that
Speaker 1: guy too, I'd be like, now, I gotta deal with
Speaker 1: this the rest of the flag. I deal with this energy.
Speaker 1: Obviously he didn't know right next to me, clearly, no,
Speaker 1: but right next to me the whole time. And uh
Speaker 1: And that was one and then too, I was I stayed.
Speaker 1: I was traveling last week and I stayed in a
Speaker 1: hotel and then went to another hotel and I was
Speaker 1: in meetings and I was in Connecticut for meetings XFL stuff.
Speaker 1: And I went to the meetings and I went up
Speaker 1: to my room. My key didn't work, and I was like,
Speaker 1: a stupid hotel key doesn't work. So I gotta all
Speaker 1: the way back down. I'm like inconvenienced. I'm I'm annoyed.
Speaker 1: I gotta go back down. I'm like, oh, my key
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and I'm eight oh five, here's my I
Speaker 1: d and the guy that kind of looks at me
Speaker 1: and he he like shows me the key and he
Speaker 1: was super cool about it. He's like, this is the
Speaker 1: wrong this isn't even the right hotel, Like it was
Speaker 1: my hotel room from the other hotel that I was
Speaker 1: staying at someone it was like a Hilton. This was
Speaker 1: like a Marriott. And he looked at me and I
Speaker 1: was like, you're I was like, you're an idiot to
Speaker 1: myself if I would have been him. So then I realized, like,
Speaker 1: people make mistakes, and I'm not gonna I decided on
Speaker 1: Friday I wasn't gonna make fun of people anymore. That's done.
Speaker 1: I got nervous because I I encouraged in making fun
Speaker 1: of each other. But I was but I really do.
Speaker 1: All people make mistakes, and I'm gonna be more. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be more tolerant. I'm gonna have more
Speaker 1: tolerance towards the little things. And I was actually kind
Speaker 1: of down. Um, I don't know why. I was just
Speaker 1: a little bit down. And Friday night I watched Uh
Speaker 1: I Love Actually and it cheered me up so much.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. I love it. It's like the
Speaker 1: Hallmark It's like a Hallmark movie with like really good
Speaker 1: actors and a big budget. I don't think We've talked
Speaker 1: about how much you love Hallmark movies. I love Hallmark
Speaker 1: movies and Hallmark movies crush it during Christmas. But I
Speaker 1: love Actually My only my only problem with Love Actually
Speaker 1: is I don't I'm not. I don't like Liam Neeson
Speaker 1: in that he's like it's like a romantic comedy role
Speaker 1: and I just want I keep waiting for somebody to
Speaker 1: like or do like Love Actually too, where somebody gets
Speaker 1: kidnapped and Liam just kicks ass, like that's like keep
Speaker 1: waiting for and he's like being like a he's being
Speaker 1: like a step dad and the mom dies and he's
Speaker 1: being all cool to the kid and very emotional, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't this Liam Neeson is not the
Speaker 1: Liam Neeson that I want. But I love Actually a
Speaker 1: great movie. The other, uh, the other thing I want
Speaker 1: to talk about before we get into the brain of
Speaker 1: Blandino is Dan Lebotard. Can we talk about that the
Speaker 1: radio show What Happened? I haven't seen it, But if
Speaker 1: I haven't seen I don't know. I don't even apparently
Speaker 1: on the radio show Dan Lebotard, you know Dan, and
Speaker 1: and I've not actually never met him, and he has
Speaker 1: the um highly questionable right on ESPN, And he has
Speaker 1: a radio show and really and I love listening. I
Speaker 1: like that show. I like listening to him. And apparently
Speaker 1: he and his wife were on vacation and they saw
Speaker 1: me doing on the air, doing a game and his
Speaker 1: wife said, oh, that looks like a Dean Blendino. What
Speaker 1: does that? What does that mean? Travis? Explain that to me?
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't, I don't to me, what does
Speaker 1: a Dean Blandino look like? Yes, he looks like you,
Speaker 1: But that's like do I look like a Travis? Like?
Speaker 1: It's no one, no one's ever going to Absolutely we're
Speaker 1: gonna say you look like you look like a Dawn
Speaker 1: Like I mean, like, do you look like a Travis?
Speaker 1: And you're wondering, like without you were telling me. You
Speaker 1: were telling me before we started recording about your family
Speaker 1: farm and how the family farms doing really well. Where's
Speaker 1: the family farmrth Dakota, North Dakota and there what do
Speaker 1: they produced on the family farm? All kinds of wheat,
Speaker 1: durham oats. He's getting more and more Travis as we
Speaker 1: go on. But but so I look like a Dean Blendino,
Speaker 1: Which is fine because I am Dean Blandino. I do
Speaker 1: want to have a shout out. I want to shout
Speaker 1: out to Nick Daniel's mom. Um. Nick Daniel is a
Speaker 1: Big ten replay official. He's actually one of the youngest
Speaker 1: replay officials in the country. And uh he sent me
Speaker 1: an email about a couple of questions about the l
Speaker 1: s U Alabama play last week and at the end
Speaker 1: of the email and I'll read it. Ps. After years
Speaker 1: and years of telling my mom how good Ben and
Speaker 1: Jerry's is, she went out and bought Half Baked for
Speaker 1: the first time last week in response to your podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure how to take this, so so
Speaker 1: we are changing we are changing lives on this. She
Speaker 1: wanted to hear it from someone credible, someone credible. Obviously
Speaker 1: her own son is not credible enough when it comes
Speaker 1: to Ben and Jerry's. I do have a pint of
Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry's in the freezer that I'll be eating
Speaker 1: after the podcast. But I'm very disappointed that my my
Speaker 1: local right aid where I get my my half baked
Speaker 1: was out of Half Baked, so I had to get
Speaker 1: like the tonight though. Whatever, Yeah, what did you just say?
Speaker 1: It's good? It's good Okay, you like it's a okay's good? No,
Speaker 1: I want great But anyway, UM, actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's do something fun. Let's we've been talking about. My
Speaker 1: brother is a big football fan, and he texts me
Speaker 1: throughout the day on Sunday. We get a lot of
Speaker 1: laughs and a lot of laughs. And so he texted
Speaker 1: me about the the DeAndre Hopkins play and he he said,
Speaker 1: did you see the DeAndre Hopkins play? And I said, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't our game. You know, it was a CBS game,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see it live. And he's like, it's
Speaker 1: being challenged right now and it stood. And so his
Speaker 1: response was wow, wow, wow stands and I and I said,
Speaker 1: just saw it. That's past interference. And he said, I
Speaker 1: wasn't asking your opinion. I know it's DP. I'm asking
Speaker 1: what drugs they're taking in New York and the convincing.
Speaker 1: So this is who we're dealing with. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: who we're dealing with. So we want to do a
Speaker 1: segment ship, my brother says, and so I just want
Speaker 1: to set it up. We're gonna introduce my brother talked
Speaker 1: for like five minutes just so you get a sense.
Speaker 1: And then we'll every once in a while we'll just
Speaker 1: talk about my brother, says, I'm so excited to do Okay,
Speaker 1: get my brother's name is David, call him Joe. Let's
Speaker 1: get him on the let's do it. He lives in
Speaker 1: My brother lives in Long Island and Massa. No, actually
Speaker 1: he's in linden Hurst now lind in Herst Long Islands.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he's there. Hey, what's up? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can go on nothing. I'm with Travis and Joe there
Speaker 1: on the pocket. What's what's going on? So we want
Speaker 1: to talk about. Okay, NFL, give us your take on
Speaker 1: what's happening this this season as a fan. And then
Speaker 1: kind of just today, what was your take on what
Speaker 1: happened to go unwatchable? Why? Why is it unwatchable? But
Speaker 1: you continue to watch? You continue to watch book ahead,
Speaker 1: I continue to watch because people, you know, you play
Speaker 1: fantasy football, this and that, but you can't watch this
Speaker 1: what anymore? It's it's just not football. It's not you
Speaker 1: can't not agree on that. Why is it not football?
Speaker 1: They get penalties for tackling too hard. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to get started. Get started. We want
Speaker 1: you to get started. Every every play is a flag.
Speaker 1: Every everything they do is wrong. Players safety, players safety.
Speaker 1: If I got the players safety, it's a contact sport. Well,
Speaker 1: you know they're being baby. The quarterbacks will rule the
Speaker 1: whole field. You know, every play the quarterback could just
Speaker 1: run the ball and and the defensive players don't even
Speaker 1: know what to do. They can't. They have to they're
Speaker 1: gonna make a tackle. I gotta stop. What what do
Speaker 1: I do? You know? I mean, this is just do
Speaker 1: you have one one? What was this year? What was
Speaker 1: the most what was the most upset with a call
Speaker 1: this year? Like that? You you remember you read I
Speaker 1: just read that the Hopkins tweet about today, So forget
Speaker 1: that one. But what was the most upset? Every week?
Speaker 1: Every week there's a call the Golden Tape pass interference?
Speaker 1: Why do they why do they allow you to to
Speaker 1: challenge a passing appearance called when they're never going to
Speaker 1: change it. They're never going to change it, So what's
Speaker 1: the point. I don't know what they're doing in New York.
Speaker 1: What they don't see that the whole world sees. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dave. I'm with you, man, I'm with
Speaker 1: you on this. Every everyone is with me it's it's
Speaker 1: it's I'm not asking for anyone's opinion. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's clear and clear as day. You know you just
Speaker 1: watched the game and you're just waiting for the revs
Speaker 1: to screw something up. That that's what people watch. And
Speaker 1: when we realize what I did for twenty years and
Speaker 1: not and not for nothing, replay is what screwed this
Speaker 1: game up. And I'm not saying who brought replay back
Speaker 1: into the NFL. I'm not even gonna go there. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, I've been saying it a thousand
Speaker 1: times to you. Guys like Ronnie Lott can't even play
Speaker 1: in the NFL today. You know growing up that that
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite players. I want to be
Speaker 1: like him. No kid wants to be a defensive player. Today.
Speaker 1: You can't play defense. You can't even even at the
Speaker 1: end of the Patriots game, the hit at the end
Speaker 1: of the game that you know, unnecessary roughness, What was
Speaker 1: un necessary roughness? The guy made a hit? You know
Speaker 1: that that that's what people want to see. They want
Speaker 1: to see big hits in hockey. You want to see
Speaker 1: big hits in every sport. You want to see the
Speaker 1: collision at home plate and they take everything away because
Speaker 1: these players are being baby. They make millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to to to to what to what? You know? All right, well, no,
Speaker 1: we you've made it clear where you are. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure we're gonna see. We want you to.
Speaker 1: We want to get your take on stuff every week.
Speaker 1: So this was just the intro we're bringing you in.
Speaker 1: Can I just ask one question real quick, David. With
Speaker 1: with my kids, I always say, hey, if you've got
Speaker 1: a problem, tell me the problem. But you got a solution.
Speaker 1: What what do you think they should do? Let them play,
Speaker 1: Let let them play. Stop stop with these replays. Replace
Speaker 1: should only be used on on on non judgment calls
Speaker 1: because you know, this one says it's a touchdown, this
Speaker 1: one says it's a catch, this one says it's not.
Speaker 1: You know, just use replay on on you know, is
Speaker 1: the foot out of bounds? How much time has left
Speaker 1: on the clock. Let the guys play, you know, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: you could call holding on every play. You can call
Speaker 1: pass interference on every play. Now, I agree, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: figure something out. Maybe maybe maybe the defensive line and
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman they said wear the gloves like the
Speaker 1: baseball players where when when they're on base so they
Speaker 1: don't hurt their fingers, that's where they can't grab onto
Speaker 1: anything nice. What's the matter with that rule? You know,
Speaker 1: whether they're gonna the offensive the defensive lineman make that
Speaker 1: many interceptions where they either hands you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: something has to be done the pass interference. It's either
Speaker 1: you let them play or you call it on every down.
Speaker 1: But but this challenging is just it's it blows my
Speaker 1: mind because you can't you can't watch a game. This
Speaker 1: is like listening to John Sterling on the Yankees on
Speaker 1: the radio. You don't know what what he's gonna say.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the reps are gonna do, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. That's a very regional thing.
Speaker 1: John Sterling is a Yankee podcasters, So for those of
Speaker 1: you that listened to you can't. You can't. You can't
Speaker 1: listen to him brocase the game because he calls it this,
Speaker 1: and it's that you know, it's the refs call it this.
Speaker 1: Even today the touchdown on on Cooper Cup the fifty
Speaker 1: one yard passed just before you saw the goal line.
Speaker 1: Ref he didn't know what the call, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And he looked at the other ref and
Speaker 1: you saw he was confused, and he puts his arms
Speaker 1: up in the air. Why make a call? Call, call
Speaker 1: time and figure it out. Why? Because once they make
Speaker 1: that call, you know there's a ninety percent chance that
Speaker 1: can't be overturned. So why make the call? You know,
Speaker 1: the reps determined the whole game. That's why I told
Speaker 1: you the other week, you wanna a new revenue for
Speaker 1: the NFL starts selling the referees jerseys, because there's the one.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that determine the outcome of the game. No,
Speaker 1: this is like he realized that my life's work was
Speaker 1: in this year and it's all being this is jerseys
Speaker 1: would have to be very small, Dave, it doesn't matter. No,
Speaker 1: we're not not Hockley's. But but some of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have to be some all but whatever, I'd
Speaker 1: rather buy them. I mean, we're starting to know the
Speaker 1: reps names more than the players names today. You know
Speaker 1: that is something we always we don't want, that we
Speaker 1: certainly don't want. Maybe they need, they need more reps
Speaker 1: on the field. You know, I've been telling you for
Speaker 1: how many years they need to be younger, and I
Speaker 1: can't see all these reps in their sixties running up
Speaker 1: and down the field. I understand it's a hard the
Speaker 1: hardest sport to officiate. But you know, they got a
Speaker 1: lot of plays, right they but every play it could
Speaker 1: mean something, So something to be done, all right, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're losing a lot of viewers, a
Speaker 1: lot of viewers people luckily. Yeah, but it's I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it's because of the gambling aspect. It becomes a
Speaker 1: fantasy football. No, you don't have those real fans anymore.
Speaker 1: They just want to sit there and watch a game
Speaker 1: and watch the entire game. You know. Now now have
Speaker 1: people in the world. They watch the red Zone channel
Speaker 1: and that's it because they just want to see what
Speaker 1: their players do. So I don't all right, well, we
Speaker 1: appreciate the insight. We'll take them to consideration. And uh, well,
Speaker 1: we love the text. Keep the text coming, yes, get
Speaker 1: the dean, get out of Get me on a text
Speaker 1: chain with this guy. I want, I want the text.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll try to slow down on the curse
Speaker 1: words and stuff if you use them more, but keep
Speaker 1: the keep the curse words in there. Well, well, we'll
Speaker 1: add it as necessary. You should call in a Francesa
Speaker 1: show too. I think you'd be a great guest for you.
Speaker 1: I can't stand him, another regional guy. Just this this
Speaker 1: sport is very frustrating to watch and and it's unwatchable
Speaker 1: that that's the biggest take on it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And this game tonight, I was I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was making me fall see more
Speaker 1: waiting for you to call on this game because I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, I guess Chicago just scored. I
Speaker 1: gotta see how they scored? Yeah, touchdown? How the rests
Speaker 1: allowed them to score? All right, well we're joining. This
Speaker 1: is the David Blandino Podcast. All right, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you later. Thanks da. All right. So that's my other
Speaker 1: and that's that's he's opinionated. So will you'll be hearing
Speaker 1: from him more. Ship. My brother says, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: finish up. Let's do a quick brain of Blandino random
Speaker 1: thought and then uh and call it a show. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's see what we got. Does my mom know who
Speaker 1: you are? Famous barometer? Okay? So yeah, so I feel
Speaker 1: like there's we always talk about different levels of celebrity
Speaker 1: and the way I judge like an a list celebrity.
Speaker 1: If my mom knows who you are, you're in a
Speaker 1: list celebrity. That's how I look at it. That's how
Speaker 1: I judge celebrity. And I feel like that's a good
Speaker 1: barometer for me, Like if my mom knows you know,
Speaker 1: my mom knows your mom's specific my mom specifically, and
Speaker 1: I feel like most moms are a good barometer of
Speaker 1: famous people. I'd agree, right, yeah, I think that that
Speaker 1: should be if we're going to implement a rule, if
Speaker 1: my mom knows who you are, you are top of
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain, okay, a list. If
Speaker 1: my mom doesn't know who you are, you're not a lost.
Speaker 1: Warren step always talked about it in the studio on
Speaker 1: the NFL and about being Grandma approved, Like when he
Speaker 1: got on Dance with the Stars, that's when he became
Speaker 1: Grandma approved. So it's like that that's the other level
Speaker 1: when you can well why always talking about like Strangan
Speaker 1: like we we always joke. Michael comes into the studio
Speaker 1: and we we we go back and forth. But Strayan
Speaker 1: is like he's great, he's a nice guy, and when
Speaker 1: he's great, he comes don't even know what he's great.
Speaker 1: He comes in with the cookies every week. He's amazing.
Speaker 1: But he's Grandma proved. My mom knows who Michael Strand is.
Speaker 1: My mom loves Michael Strand, so my mom, there you go.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out how me and my
Speaker 1: brother are related. You guys don't sound alike either. No,
Speaker 1: he's got the I mean he's in Long Island. That's
Speaker 1: Long Island. I spoke like that at one time, but
Speaker 1: I got out of Long Island early enough to where
Speaker 1: you only hear my accent certain words like Houston. But anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, that's our show. This has been Good Calls
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