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Speaker 1: All right, I'm introducing my gay friend Greg to Armstrong

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Speaker 1: and Getty. It's one more thing, arm Strong and.

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Speaker 2: Getty, one more thing, Well go ahead then alrighty, well guys,

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Speaker 2: this is Greg Gory.

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Speaker 1: He is one of my best friends. He was the

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Speaker 1: man of honor. You know how ladies have their maid

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Speaker 1: of honor. I had a man of honor and it

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Speaker 1: was Greg Gory. He is on the Woody Show based

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Speaker 1: out of la off of Ault ninety eighty seven, and

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Speaker 1: he's gay.

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Speaker 3: I'm so honored by that intro, Katie. That was awesome.

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Speaker 3: And just for the record, I was the person of honor, true,

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Speaker 3: the person of honor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how enlightened of everyone. So I like the fact

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Speaker 4: that she at least like puts your professional accomplishments in

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Speaker 4: front of your sexual orientation.

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Speaker 3: No, and that's what I appreciate, because you know, people

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Speaker 3: who are gay like to make that number one out

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Speaker 3: of one hundred. In my case, it's just one out

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Speaker 3: of one hundred things. It's not my identity. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people like to make it the cornerstone of their identity.

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Speaker 3: And for me, coming out is gay way easier than

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Speaker 3: coming out as conservative when you're gay.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Okay, so you're a conservative gay man.

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Speaker 3: I am, you know, lifelong right wing Trump supporting Republican

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Speaker 3: and that's why I don't mesh well in the gay world.

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Speaker 3: And that's why June weatherwise one of my favorite months,

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Speaker 3: but politically one of my least favorite months. I can't

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Speaker 4: You know, Greg, you're working when we're working. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: Katie might have told you. I Joe rant a fair

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Speaker 4: amount about how the concept of gay pride, which I

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Speaker 4: totally understand coming from the time when you're supposed to

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Speaker 4: be mortally ashamed of being gay, has morphed into you

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Speaker 4: must be down with every angle aspect of radical queer theory,

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Speaker 4: gender theory, theory in general. And that makes me insane,

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Speaker 4: and actually several of my gay friends it makes them

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Speaker 4: insane too.

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Speaker 3: Well. I'm actually kind of comforted to hear that, because

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Speaker 3: I thought I was all alone in that. And you're

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Speaker 3: totally right, Joe. If you look at the history of

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Speaker 3: what we now call gay pride, it stems from, you know,

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Speaker 3: a place of like you said, you had to be

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Speaker 3: in the shadows. It was maybe even illegal, it was ostracized.

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Speaker 3: It is morphed into this thing that is for somebody

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Speaker 3: like me is frankly super embarrassing. First of all, being

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Speaker 3: gay shouldn't be a source of pride. It's not an accomplishment.

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Speaker 3: I'm not proud that I gratulations, you know exactly. I'm

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Speaker 3: not proud that I'm a human being who walks. It's

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Speaker 3: just what I am. They My issue with pride is

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Speaker 3: that they have hijacked the exact thing that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 3: what it used to be, how it used to be,

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Speaker 3: how you used to be treated, and in order to

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Speaker 3: honor that, and then as a gay guy who is

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Speaker 3: not into pride, I get shamed constantly. You are ignoring

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Speaker 3: the people that fought for our rights. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: What you're doing is dishonoring the people who fought for

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Speaker 3: our rights, because if you go out into the street,

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Speaker 3: you get completely annihilated, wasted. You put on spandex mini

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Speaker 3: skirt and roller blades and a boa and face glitters,

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Speaker 3: and then you have public sex that somehow shows pride.

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Speaker 3: To me, that shows embarrassment. I'm proud that I have

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Speaker 3: a good career. I'm proud that I have a partner

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Speaker 3: of fourteen years. I'm proud that I own a really

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Speaker 3: nice house, I'm proud of my accomplishments. There's nothing to

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Speaker 3: be proud of as far as being gay goes. And

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Speaker 3: the people that are into Pride number one, they always say,

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Speaker 3: we're so accepting, we're so open minded. No, try to

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Speaker 3: go to a Pride parade and have a point of

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Speaker 3: view that's ever so slightly different. You are gonna be

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Speaker 3: the enemy. You're gonna be called a bad gay, bad gay. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've been called that a thousand times. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: the equivalent if you call an African American person who

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Speaker 3: You're an yal tom. I'm a bad gay because I

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Speaker 3: don't walk lockstep with the gay pride.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do the math on this in my head.

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Speaker 5: So if like three percent of the population is gay,

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Speaker 5: and then half of that three percent is men, then

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Speaker 5: you get down to the conservative percentage of that. There

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Speaker 5: must be like two people in the country you could

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Speaker 3: It's me and my best friend Jim. We're the two

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Speaker 5: Seriously, though, like, how many people would agree with you

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Speaker 5: on this even if they are otherwise politics? You know, conservative,

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Speaker 5: you do you run into? They also think the whole

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Speaker 3: Point, politics aside. I have met a handful of people

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Speaker 3: think the same thing. I'd rather stay home or I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of what I've done, not just who I am

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Speaker 3: or what my sexuality is. I shouldn't even say who

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Speaker 3: I am because it's not who I am that I

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Speaker 3: think is a little bit more common than if you're

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Speaker 3: conservative and anti pride. For lack of a better way

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Speaker 3: to explain it, but I don't see it that much.

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Speaker 3: I have done a few things where I've tried to

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Speaker 3: reach out to people of like minds, such as the

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Speaker 3: log Cabin Republicans. I wasn't intelligent enough to hang out

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Speaker 3: with them. That's all they did was talk about the

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Speaker 3: minutia and DC, which I don't really know about. I

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Speaker 3: just know that when people say, how can you be

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Speaker 3: good and be a Republican? Okay, who you sleep with

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Speaker 3: at night doesn't affect my brain. I still have a brain.

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Speaker 3: Tax policy, then thank you. My tax policy, border policy,

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Speaker 3: everything that actually affects your life, and when they you

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Speaker 3: hear this cliche every year, every especially every election cycle. Oh,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna lose our rights. And I have asked this

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Speaker 3: question for years and years and years and years, even

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Speaker 3: in my talk radio days, where I would like somebody,

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Speaker 3: I defy somebody. And you can apply this to women too,

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Speaker 3: with all due respect, What rights as a gay guy

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Speaker 3: don't I have? What rights as a woman? Does a

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Speaker 3: woman not have? I have every right that anybody else has. Nobody,

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Speaker 3: even the flag burning liberal gay guys, can't answer that

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Speaker 3: question for me. What right don't I have? I have

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Speaker 3: all my rights, nothing's being taken away. It's paranoia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well right, if you've been studying politics for a

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Speaker 4: lifetime as we have, it's absolutely transparent fear monitoring to

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Speaker 4: get people to go to the polls and donate money.

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Speaker 4: It's just you're under threat. Is the most common political

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Speaker 4: pitch of well, probably last five thousand years, honestly. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: are you familiar with the Twitter account Gaye against Groomers.

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Speaker 3: I have heard of it. Yeah, I'm not too active

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, but I do do know that.

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Speaker 4: Good for you. Number one, They've got four hundred and

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Speaker 4: twenty eight thousand followers. I have no idea how many

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Speaker 4: of those are gay folks, but their description of who

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Speaker 4: they are is a nonprofit of gays, lesbians and others

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Speaker 4: in the community against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of

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Speaker 4: children under the guise of lgbt Q I A plus

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Speaker 4: which brings me to another one of my jihads as

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Speaker 4: as a dad, especially of three wonderfully unique and nutty

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Speaker 4: But we're a quirky punch. I see this movement of

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Speaker 4: telling an effeminate boy that he's actually a girl and

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Speaker 4: needs hormones, then surgery as one of the most horrific

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Speaker 4: and cruel things humanity has ever done. And I think

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Speaker 4: before long we will look back on this era with horror.

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Speaker 4: To what extent? Do you agree?

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Speaker 3: I agree, I see your point, and I raise your point.

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Speaker 3: I think the wrong questions are asked of those of

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Speaker 3: us who believe what you just said. They ask us,

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Speaker 3: why are you a bigot? Why don't you want drag

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Speaker 3: queens reading to children? The question should be why do

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Speaker 3: you want drag queen saying?

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Speaker 4: What's the Who came up with this? What is the

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Speaker 4: what are you trying to accomplish here?

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Speaker 3: Right? Why don't they go to retirement communities and read

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Speaker 3: to them. Why do we have to get children involved? Also,

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Speaker 3: I recall retirement communities, there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 3: eighty year old.

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Speaker 4: Dudes saying, what the hell is it?

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Speaker 3: That's true? Maybe that's not the right venue.

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Speaker 4: You got a shave baby. No, it's to indoctrinate the

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Speaker 4: children into radical gender theory.

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Speaker 3: At one hundred percent, And unfortunately the data is not in.

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Speaker 3: You know, these studies might take decades. We're too new

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Speaker 3: into this phenomenon. And when you look at the phenomenon,

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Speaker 3: to me, it's interesting. You see it really only in

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Speaker 3: certain cities. You don't go to Tuscaloosa and find eighty

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Speaker 3: four kids saying I think I'm a girl. When I

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Speaker 3: because I thought I was James Bond. Much like if

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Speaker 3: mutilate my body. The phenomenon to me is weird. I

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Speaker 3: think it's just gotten, I don't know, popular, for lack

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Speaker 3: of a better word. It's strange. What you know, that

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Speaker 3: whole thing that only recently I believe the AMA downgraded

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Speaker 3: it from a mental disorder. But with all due respect

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Speaker 3: to the trans people, if you believe you're something else,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't make it. So as far as the grooming goes,

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Speaker 3: I do think it's grooming because again, people are asking

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Speaker 3: the wrong question. It's not that I'm bigoted because I

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Speaker 3: don't want drag queens talking to kids. The question should

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Speaker 3: And to take it a step further, people say, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, I have let's just say a five year

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Speaker 3: have to accept about gays and lesbians and trans How

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Speaker 3: about not talking about any of it. They're going to

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Speaker 3: learn it as life progresses. Why do we have to

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Speaker 3: there's Think back to when we were kids. Did I

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Speaker 3: didn't know there was such thing as gay? I had

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Speaker 5: I have a twelve year old he's just got out

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Speaker 5: of sixth grade, and he's been talking about gay, lesbian

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Speaker 5: trans stuff since he was like eight or nine, because

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Speaker 5: they talk about it in school all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even imagine that atmosphere. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: had to get permission to take sex ed in school,

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Speaker 3: and now kids in kindergarten are, you know, learning about

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It literally makes no sense to me. And then to

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Speaker 3: me that whole side of this, I don't know. Let's

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Speaker 3: and it makes us look like we have an agenda.

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Speaker 3: And it also what it does as far as gay

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Speaker 3: youth coming up again, and you know, having been a

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Speaker 3: When I finally came out very late in life, I

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Speaker 3: was in my thirties. What would have helped me younger

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Speaker 3: is not to have the Pride movement, because people such

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Speaker 3: as my parents or people of their generation would see

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Speaker 3: these Pride parades on TV, for example, they would look

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Speaker 3: at the crowds, look at the outfits, look at the behavior,

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Speaker 3: look at the public sex, look at the drunken debauchery

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Speaker 3: and the idiotic behavior, and it would make them go

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Speaker 3: it bothers me when people go, oh, I'm so proud

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Speaker 5: Sure at all. And I think the best point made

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Speaker 4: That's mine. I tell you what if the wife appeared

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Speaker 4: a day that will not be forgotten. Greg really really

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Speaker 4: I don't care about anything else. I hope the loud,

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Speaker 3: I hope. I hope you're right because people have got

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Speaker 4: Appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Go back to being gay, Joe Jack. Thank you, guys,

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Speaker 3: and I definitely will.

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Speaker 4: Thanks and Katie thanks for making the introduction.

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Speaker 3: I probably will. He say, Well, you know it's it's

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Speaker 1: Well, tomorrow will introduce my friend John.

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Speaker 3: He's gay, I mean he's blind. That's one of my

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Speaker 4: You Eric Wyhan Mayor, who climbed the highest mountain in

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