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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Morch. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth

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Speaker 1: seats by two of the creators behind my very favorite podcast,

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Speaker 1: one of the best podcasts. Podcasts is doing It Anywhere

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Speaker 1: on a fucking heater right now, you guys with the

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Speaker 1: fucking Coen Brothers, please welcome from blank Check. It's producer

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Speaker 1: Ben Hosley and Griffin Newban.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the very kind of words. Oh, you've

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Speaker 2: been unbelievably supportive of us over the years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, it's been hard. I'm just I'm a hugey

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Speaker 1: It came to you late and it is. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: love it. I love rediscovering, discovering Like I hadn't really

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of Miyazaki before I heard you guys

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Speaker 1: series on Miyazaki. It's been so cool to like have

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Speaker 1: the knowledge that comes from your podcast and like introduce

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Speaker 1: my kids to Miyazaki, like when they're at the you know,

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Speaker 1: age is my seven year old's favorite movie. So that's

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Speaker 1: been it's just been a very cool thing. And and

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Speaker 1: I love movies, and it's it's a total blast. You guys,

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Speaker 1: are you had seth Rogen on the Big Lebowski episode

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Speaker 1: just dropped yesterday? Yes, Zach Kraiger on the Fargo episode

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Speaker 1: the week the weapons like was destroying the box office.

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Speaker 3: And made an every dollar there's no money left. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's sad kind of but we're all happy for support.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't gone to a nicer guy. Yeah, yeah, he seems

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Speaker 1: I had forgotten that he came from the Wise Kids.

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Speaker 2: You know, people keep asking us because we have had

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Speaker 2: quite a sounding run of guests in short order, and

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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you guys are really leveling up. What changed?

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Speaker 2: And we're like, literally, it's just we're doing the con Brothers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that a lot of these people are folks that

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Speaker 2: we've been like messaging with for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: We found at some point listen to the podcast and

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Speaker 2: they're like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 2: do that many podcasts, or I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: should talk about someone else's right, or I you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for a film that's really one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: And we like we do a March Madness thing every

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Speaker 2: year where once a year we let our listeners vote

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Speaker 2: on which director we're going to cover next, and we

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Speaker 2: do a whole career we go through every film one

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Speaker 2: episode at a time. Yea, And they voted for Coen

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Speaker 2: Brothers and they're infinite wisdom this year, and like suddenly

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Speaker 2: five of our dream guests were like, oh, sure, it

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Speaker 2: just opened all the doors.

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Speaker 3: I mean at a time where it's like can be

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Speaker 3: a little bit challenging to be real proud of America,

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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, the Helen Brothers make us feel

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Speaker 2: They're also in a weird state right now where like

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Speaker 2: Ethan just released a movie that he directed with his wife, right,

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Speaker 2: I think that he's that Francis is starring in or

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Speaker 2: at least producing. So they're in this sabbatical of working separately,

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Speaker 2: of both becoming a wife guys right, which has made

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Speaker 2: their core filmography of the like twenty one movies they

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Speaker 2: puts them in an interesting place to talk about all

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Speaker 1: Your reader or your listeners nailed it in terms of

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Speaker 1: the timing of this is like so perfect. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, getting back to Fargo and Big Lebowski, the

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Speaker 1: past two weeks has just been not like those are

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Speaker 1: they're movies I've seen a hundred times, but like just

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Speaker 1: is like my brain is made out of these two movies,

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Speaker 2: It was crazy, like I'm learning in real time trying

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Speaker 2: people jump to a different assumption. Yea, yeah, because even

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Speaker 2: but like that's so effective. I want something like this

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Speaker 1: Scene to the person who being like, this is what

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Speaker 2: And he had like twenty examples of that, and then

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Speaker 2: the Super Bad Trifecta is kind of similar to the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I saw Big Lebowski nine times in the theater.

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Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, it flopped, Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: school nerd and my friend Paul went and we're like

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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of being ahead of the car.

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Speaker 2: That's a real bragging right there, because people were not

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and seeing that it was it's so beautiful

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't on too. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: it was like a box office flop. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the concept that you guys talk about about,

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Speaker 1: like whether a movie exists or not. What is something

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Speaker 1: from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 4: Well to keep talking about the Star Wars prequels because

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Speaker 4: I need to just plug this as much as possible.

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Speaker 4: But I did search for this, and I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 4: I searched for Palpatines lightsaber color because I have been

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Speaker 4: brainstorming a list of possible like drinks beverages for the

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, a Palpatini and it should be read

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Speaker 1: Mean, unbeautiful, obvious, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: A Darth vodka and cranberry or any vodka.

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Speaker 1: Bas dark father. So that actually worked, does it really?

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Speaker 4: It just like, yeah, that just I think that's a

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Speaker 4: Vader means father in German. So obviously, but the important

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Speaker 4: Now we're having fun. And then of course there's also

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I bespoke And then finally, mace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, but is it relapsing if you just injected

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Speaker 4: So I emailed all of them and said, like, here's

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Speaker 4: if they don't do it, that's their loss. They're they're

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Speaker 4: they're losing out on millions of dollars that they would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I told millions, part of my ignorance. But I

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Speaker 1: He seems bad. All the people, all the forced people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they should call they should call whatever disease band.

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Speaker 1: And Steve Bannon has the Palpatine. Yeah, he's got some.

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Speaker 1: He's Palpatine in big time.

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Speaker 1: Well, your skin melts and you never die. M guy's

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that's revealing about

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Speaker 6: Sperm, whale, phonetic alphabet?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh? I like you just you stopped listening. You

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah. So do you guys have pets? Do

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Speaker 1: Like you're coming at us like like you're introducing the

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Speaker 1: I love whales specifically, and I'm becoming more interested in

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, guys, this is the thing working on

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Speaker 6: a couple of recent recent episodes about the question of

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Speaker 6: your furred, feathered or scaly friends, can you speak with them?

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Speaker 6: Can there be an equal peer to peer conversation or discourse?

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Speaker 6: This turns out to be pretty crazy because a lot

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Speaker 6: of the research is under fire, right, Like Coco the

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Speaker 6: gorilla is a famous example, or Alex the African gray parrot.

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Speaker 6: these are not the droids you're looking for. Whatever. What

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Speaker 1: Well, they got to come up sometime. That's what I

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Speaker 8: That's so, that's wild that the so when the apes

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Secondly, you are absolutely correct. The controversy goes into the

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Speaker 1: Right, the math horse, I've heard is purely just like

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Speaker 9: Clop clop clop whatever. Clever, I've never heard of this thing.

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Speaker 9: You never heard all of my favorite things, Clever Hans.

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Speaker 6: That's the search history. It's ruined sperm alphabet. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the scientists maybe should have stopped attacking them. I

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Speaker 1: is overrated? Kyle? Uh?

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Speaker 10: Those I could right?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Hell yes, those fucking jubilie videos not that one.

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Speaker 10: I hate you believe videos so much?

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Speaker 6: I hate them?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's another launch where everyone feels right.

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Speaker 10: Are submitting to being fascist and I find it to

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Speaker 12: Or anything like Hitler debates.

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Speaker 10: Right, We're not debating like an allocation of taxes in

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Speaker 10: of course, But it's just I am maybe I just

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Speaker 10: What's overrated? This YouTube show that won't book me.

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Speaker 1: They on the clip of this and they're like, Kyle

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Speaker 11: We're like, wow, we were really unsure of which side

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Speaker 10: It's one of the it was one of the things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's it feels like it comes from the

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Speaker 1: They do have glasses like that.

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Speaker 12: I'm like, it's your local NB barista.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it certainly is.

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Speaker 10: That has been a jarring discovery is on mute, not

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Speaker 11: you know, yeah, sure do you like hate watch them?

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Speaker 10: I have really really tried to cut out of my

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Speaker 10: You can't avoid that and so I saw, yes, I

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Speaker 10: Appreciated that I I have. So I commend the people

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Speaker 10: who can sit there and do that. And I just

438
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Speaker 10: I think rationing, Oh, ultimately, I feel guilt about the

439
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Speaker 10: amount of consumption you do and what you cut out

440
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Speaker 10: and what you're aware of and things like that all

441
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Speaker 10: the time. And then I'm also trying to like take

442
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Speaker 10: care of myself in a physical and manner and you're

443
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Speaker 10: just like it's crazy to small picture and big picture

444
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Speaker 10: yourself through all of this. It's very difficult thing to

445
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Speaker 10: to balance.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

447
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Speaker 1: I did like and this is probably a bad thing

448
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Speaker 1: that this is what gave me like hope was that

449
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Speaker 1: the guy who he was like, oh, I don't debate

450
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Speaker 1: with fascist fascists. Are you a fascist? And he was like, yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm a fascist, and like started like ugly laughing they are. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 1: he got fired from his job, and like I was like, oh,

453
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Speaker 1: so there's like still some institutions.

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Speaker 11: But then he started to go fund me where he

455
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Speaker 11: raised like a fuck ton of money for being a

456
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Speaker 11: fascist that's true, which is like that isn't That's the

457
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Speaker 11: thing where I'm like, this is encouraging people to like

458
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Speaker 11: try to become like influencers and like make politics content.

459
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Speaker 11: And that's that's the part that I'm like, if you

460
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Speaker 11: don't fucking know or hear a bad person, just stay out.

461
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Speaker 10: Like there is something it seems like you that is

462
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Speaker 10: a new It's like a quick quicker than going on

463
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Speaker 10: our dating reality show or The Bachelor or something, is

464
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Speaker 10: to go and go viral in a jubilee moment and

465
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Speaker 10: launch yourself into something that's right.

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Speaker 1: I do want to like see what the process is

467
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Speaker 1: for like putting those rooms together, like to where are

468
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Speaker 1: they going? Like is it what pool are they fishing from?

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Speaker 10: You know, they're going to these They're going to these

470
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Speaker 10: cities that uh, fascists and Republicans love to live in

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Speaker 10: that they say they hate.

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Speaker 11: Right, they also like they're also influencers before like a

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Speaker 11: lot of them.

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Speaker 10: Are like to get the other people who sit.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, a lot of them have either been like worked

476
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Speaker 11: for Jubilee, Like some of the people are like picked

477
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Speaker 11: by Jubilee multiple times. Some of them are like podcast

478
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Speaker 11: hosts or something like. Some of them are already like

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Speaker 11: they'll take Dale Kyle.

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Speaker 1: There might be a chance.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, burned up.

482
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Speaker 10: He was one guy keeps trying to do movie puns.

483
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Speaker 10: He keeps saying the Wolf of Wally Street in the

484
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Speaker 10: Jubilee video about order cultural I do appreciate all it is,

485
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Speaker 10: just it's such an odd feeling for me, and I

486
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Speaker 10: don't know what it is about them that feels bad

487
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Speaker 10: and weird and he's terrible. Yeah you do, but there

488
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Speaker 10: is something to like it's just like jarring. You just

489
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Speaker 10: never thought you would see people be like, yeah, dude,

490
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Speaker 10: I'm a fascist. You never think you'd see someone say that.

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Speaker 10: But then it's like it's so normal now. I guess

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm like, honestly, I think the moment of political

494
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Speaker 11: shock I had was the twenty sixteen and like I

495
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Speaker 11: had an experience just like that SNL moment where like

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Speaker 11: Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle were like, yeah, this is

497
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Speaker 11: what America is. And all the white people were like

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Speaker 11: what because I was with like my white friends and

499
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Speaker 11: we were all freaked out. And then I like later

500
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Speaker 11: in the night, I was like out of mic where

501
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Speaker 11: it was like a lot of black people and they

502
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Speaker 11: were like laughing and they were like, yeah, this is

503
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Speaker 11: just normal for America. So since then, I haven't been shocked. Yeah,

504
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Speaker 11: I haven't been shocked at anything, honestly since then.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, shock is hard to have. Yeah, you just it's

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Speaker 10: weird that I let myself continually have disappointment.

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Speaker 12: I think that's beautiful though.

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Speaker 1: Let's disappointed. Yeah, it proves that there's like some hope inside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

510
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Speaker 1: We got to get to the big story. Travis and

511
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Speaker 1: Taylor are married. Well, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 5: Geez, and we're back.

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Speaker 1: I still that still goes. It started. It does start

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Speaker 1: a zoom call with a friend or maybe a new

515
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Speaker 1: acquaintance or they always it still still works. The great

516
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Speaker 1: podcaster Matt Appadaka, who we now work with, has really

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Speaker 1: shown me the he's gonna I'm making it sound like

518
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Speaker 1: he was the first person to do I think I

519
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: started doing it, but he approved it, and that's that's huge.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to just smirch his good name.

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Speaker 6: That guy's name sounds like a spell.

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Speaker 1: It is it is actually, yeah, he is a it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a Harry Potter. I don't know Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: well enough to make a reference, so I just said

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Speaker 1: it's a Harry Potter. Then maybe shut your mouth. Maybe

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Speaker 1: shut your your muggle mouth. Waters you don't swim well

527
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Speaker 1: enough to tread or somebody, uh ben, what's something he

528
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Speaker 1: thinks underrated for right now?

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Speaker 6: Mustaches? We we scooped ourselves a bit in the beginning,

530
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Speaker 6: but we spent some time pissing off our producer off

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Speaker 6: air because I have a mustache that my girlfriend is

532
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Speaker 6: clowning me so hard about. I did the grown thing,

533
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Speaker 6: you know. I shaved and went through, as you said, Jack,

534
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Speaker 6: the permutations, and I got a oh, I got I

535
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Speaker 6: got told that I look I got roasted heart. So

536
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Speaker 6: I got told I look so Belgian that I might

537
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Speaker 6: do with Belgium. I have specific opinions about chocolate, French

538
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Speaker 6: fries and King Leopold.

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, and worst of all, yeah, and it's kind

540
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Speaker 7: of a wide mustache.

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Speaker 1: It does. You could be wearing a like old timey

542
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Speaker 1: one piece bathing costume and that must I feel like

543
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: and lifting like a bar barbell then has round weights

544
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Speaker 1: on the edg end of it. Yeah, or triangle, you

545
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's that's that's kind of

546
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Speaker 1: what I'm picturing. It does. It does like kind of

547
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Speaker 1: change your vibe in a fun way. I do like it.

548
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Speaker 1: I like non mustache, Ben, also, you know I don't.

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Speaker 6: That's very kind, you know, next time I'll go whatever

550
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Speaker 6: the old Old Testament thing is where it's the beard

551
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Speaker 6: without the mustache and it's just like the what's that

552
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Speaker 6: what's that called the chin strap thing? Yeah?

553
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Speaker 1: Yeah, chin strap neck beard, old chin strap neck beard.

554
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Speaker 6: I feel like there's a specific Amish or Mormon name

555
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Speaker 6: for it. Yeah, that sounds fancier.

556
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Speaker 1: You've come to the right place if you want the

557
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Speaker 1: Mormon name for the Yeah, your side general, Yeah, yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: it does feel it feels civil worry and that one

559
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Speaker 1: what is something, Ben? Do you think is overrated?

560
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 6: La boo boo? Are you guys familiar with this boo boo?

561
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: They're making the greatest leboo boo? Yeah, we're we're familiar

562
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: as people who have a podcast about the zeitgeist. Yeah,

563
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: we've been aware of this one.

564
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Speaker 6: So I was. I was overseas recently, and uh, the

565
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Speaker 6: the lea boo boo thing was again like, you know,

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Speaker 6: let's be honest with this mustache. I look at the guy.

567
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 6: I look like the guy who is a cop at

568
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 6: the protest trying to be cool, you know, like, hey, guys,

569
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: you will be You would be really kick ass if

570
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: we all exchange names, addresses and you know, like places

571
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Speaker 6: we go routinely.

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and so with that know the tricks.

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Speaker 6: So he's he's uh, he's real plugged in. Uh, I

574
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: am very plugged out. I learned about La boolo like

575
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 6: anybody else who was uncool, by getting yelled at about

576
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 6: it by people cooler than me. And I realized there

577
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 6: is this global conspiracy of people carrying around the boulos

578
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 6: and they're like fucking Freemasons.

579
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Man.

580
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 6: They just nodded at each other. They have a hang

581
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: in from like their bags or their backpacks, and then

582
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 6: and I don't know if they have a secret handshake,

583
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: Like I don't know how deep this goes, but I

584
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 6: do think it's overrated.

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00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: And you said the pronunciation of it in particular.

586
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 6: Oh, no, I added pronunciation as overrated because you said

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Speaker 6: you one time pronounced.

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Speaker 1: On wei oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's another thing I think is overrated. Pronunciation

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Speaker 6: is yeah, pronunciations, pronunciation in general over it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, we have learned from super was

592
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Speaker 1: her Catherine that the beard no mustache is called the

593
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Speaker 1: whaler appropriately.

594
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: Enough Whaler Melville.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I gotta see what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: That was a type of facial hair that I experimented

597
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: with a young No. Yeah, really, big god, big Mike. Yeah,

598
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was more. It was like

599
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: pre when I could grow a full beard. So it's

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Speaker 1: just like sha shaggy with whiskers. Shaggy Whispers is what I.

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Speaker 6: Wanted to Shaggy Whispers versus the math Horse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Shaggy Whispers is my h slash fiction about

603
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Speaker 1: the Scooby Doo universe.

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00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, hotel all book, Shaggy Whispers.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. Let's should we get into the the

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Speaker 1: old Well that's not good update of the day. Well

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Speaker 1: that's not what I h but what you want to

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Speaker 1: hear from a doctor. And also, you know the opening

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Speaker 1: line of a news story written by a Canadian about

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Speaker 1: your country. Well that's not goodive. Yes, So, just weeks

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Speaker 1: after being confirmed CDC Haad, Susan Miniaz has been fired.

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Speaker 1: She was initially asked to resign but refused and was

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Speaker 1: fired by HHS, which I guess. She was like, I

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Speaker 1: can't really be fired by them. I would need to

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Speaker 1: be fired by the president and he was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember who the president is.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of my thing. It's my favorite thing now. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Ye.

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Speaker 1: So she was fired because Susan Monias is not aligned

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Speaker 1: with the president's agenda of making America healthy again. And

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Speaker 1: this was because she wouldn't quote rubber stamp vaccine recommendations.

622
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Speaker 1: That quote flew in the face of science, which is bad.

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Speaker 1: Like we had a CENTERI it might be coming, it's

624
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Speaker 1: it's just going in a real worst case scenario direction

625
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Speaker 1: with RFK junior As that we had a sense maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't know, putting this, putting a guy who was

627
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Speaker 1: a vaccine skeptic kind of famously that was what he

628
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Speaker 1: was famous for, putting him in charge of health care

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Speaker 1: for the entire country, that that could go badly. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like things are going very badly. Several other

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Speaker 1: CDC senior officials have resigned as a result this. I'm

632
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Speaker 1: somewhere between can't these fucking idiots do a single thing right?

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Speaker 1: And can't these fucking idiots do a single thing that

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Speaker 1: isn't exactly the wrongest thing you could possibly do at

635
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Speaker 1: that moment? You know, Like it's like I'm not even

636
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: asking that they do it right. It's like just that

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Speaker 1: they not be fucking like just exactly wrong seeking missiles.

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Speaker 6: That's the issue, right, How at what threshold? What threshold

639
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: does incompetence become intentional malevolence?

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Speaker 5: Right?

641
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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how randomly can one random?

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: That's my reaction to this. This is so random? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you guys, this is random.

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Speaker 6: We are winning the lotteries of bad choices, you know

646
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Speaker 6: those in college.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the girls I do would like to

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Speaker 1: refer to things as random, and I think that is

649
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Speaker 1: the funniest way to possibly just refer to this. Oh

650
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: my god, this presidency is so random. Randy rand one

651
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Speaker 1: of them, would say, and that person is a gene

652
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Speaker 1: whoever came up with Randy Randos? Is this genie?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: A g But yeah, I don't know that. We also

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Speaker 1: learned this week that they're scaling back food safety monitors

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Speaker 1: finally for food born disease. And you've been pushing for

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Speaker 1: this for a.

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Speaker 7: While then, ye.

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Speaker 6: You up in Sinclair. Yeah, you know how it is.

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Speaker 6: You walk through a grocery store. Why shouldn't it be

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Speaker 6: a casino? You know what I mean. I'm an Aisle twelve.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Aisle eleven. We got some canned stuff?

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Speaker 1: Is it beatens?

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Speaker 6: Let's roll the goddamn dice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Splash guards are fucking constricting.

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Speaker 1: I want the food sitting out.

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Speaker 7: I want nothing to stop my spit, my clean American

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Speaker 7: spit from getting on this food that I don't know

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Speaker 7: how long it's been out for.

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Speaker 1: It's none of my business.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, If we needed to guard the food, yes,

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Speaker 6: let's put the National Guard there.

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Speaker 1: We've got the garden, this clear plastic. Yes, more national Guard,

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Speaker 1: More national Guard, the only, uh, the only protection against

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Speaker 1: the salad with a bad with some cough on.

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Speaker 6: It's a National Guard member.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good? Sound good?

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Speaker 6: Justin please fix that and post.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's easily fixable, right.

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Speaker 5: Post.

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Speaker 1: Could you make me sound smart insane? Thanks very much?

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Speaker 1: Could you sound like less like I'm on the verge

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Speaker 1: of just buckling under the pressure of our collapsing society.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Justin, seein, thanks Justin.

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Speaker 6: CDC is in Atlanta, So this is uh, this is

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Speaker 6: a matter of local import right with with I would argue,

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Speaker 6: of course national but indeed global consequences, right.

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Speaker 1: Ripples replacing it with a bass pro shop. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: not feeling they could like redesign the CDC to like

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Speaker 1: have more of a pro shop vibe there. Now, ye.

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Speaker 6: When you guys have him on the show, he'll be like,

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Speaker 6: fun fact about me my house used to be. Do

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Speaker 6: you guys remember the Center for Disease Control of Prevention,

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Speaker 6: remember back then.

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Speaker 1: So just a little bit more on the food, the

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Speaker 1: food stuff, because this is one of those things that

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Speaker 1: is like fairly invisible. Like a lot a lot of

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Speaker 1: the jobs that are being taken away and like you know,

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Speaker 1: the government spending that's being cut. Are these things that

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Speaker 1: are like just don't get any attention, and like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is only cares about things that get ratings, and

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Speaker 1: so these are the invisible you know, scaffolding behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes that like saves people's lives. And it just under

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Speaker 1: a Trump administration where you know, as we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the run up to the election. Like the scary

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Speaker 1: thing about this second administration. The first administration he like

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Speaker 1: you remember that first meeting with Obama where he was like,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck just happened? And he seems scared, and

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Speaker 1: he was like, I'm gonna let the professionals handle this one.

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Speaker 1: Like I kind of did this as a joke, and

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Speaker 1: it took him a while to like ramp up his

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Speaker 1: indignation about not being able to like, you know, do

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Speaker 1: whatever he wanted. And now he is doing whatever he wants,

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Speaker 1: and it's he's not meant to lead eat a complicated

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Speaker 1: government that is saving many people's lives in very boring ways.

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Speaker 1: He's just like he doesn't have the attention span for it. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the doctor Jay Glenn Morris, whose name I

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Speaker 1: don't know, never wanted to know, the director of Emerging

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Speaker 1: Pathogen Institute at the University of Florida, is you know,

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Speaker 1: making sense of this and has said that he helped

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Speaker 1: create food Net in nineteen ninety five, and we've been

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Speaker 1: benefiting from it unknowingly for the past however many years

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Speaker 1: it's been since nineteen ninety five, I've got to think

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Speaker 1: at least anyways, he said essentially CDC is backing off

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Speaker 1: one of their best surveillance systems. And this article that

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Speaker 1: is in I think it's like on CBS dot com.

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Speaker 1: But it just keeps adding there like, which is bad

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Speaker 1: because in April, Reuters reported that the Food and Drug

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Speaker 1: Administration was suspending a quality control program for testing dairy products.

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Speaker 1: A week before that, Reuters reported that the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: was suspending a quality control program for its food testing

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Speaker 1: laboratories as a result of staff cuts. That news came

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Speaker 1: two weeks after, and it just keeps going with the

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Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services announced wide ranging cutbacks

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Speaker 1: at federal health agencies, including scientists who tested food and

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Speaker 1: drugs for contamination of or deadly bacteria. That news came

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Speaker 1: two weeks after The Times reported the FDA delayed by

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Speaker 1: nearly three years implementation of a requirement. And this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a harsh requirement, Like this is anti bitiness,

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Speaker 1: all right, when when I explain it, you'll understand why

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Speaker 1: they had to cut a requirement that food companies and

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Speaker 1: grossers rapidly trace contaminated food through the supply chain and

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Speaker 1: pull it off the shelves. Okay, guys, brother, let's not

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Speaker 1: go crazy here.

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Speaker 6: Wow, all right or well yeah.

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Speaker 1: The day before that, The Times published the newspaper ran

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Speaker 1: a related article that at the FDA freeze on government

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Speaker 1: credit card spending. They were just like they froze the

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Speaker 1: FDA's credit cards that they used to like fund their research.

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Speaker 1: They froze that so they could no longer staff. It

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Speaker 1: impeded staff members from buying food to perform routine tests

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Speaker 1: for deadly bacteria.

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Speaker 7: So like they were they my wife freezing credit cards.

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Speaker 7: I know, the hell right, let me spend that's my

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Speaker 7: draft King's credit card.

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Speaker 6: Baby, Yeah, did you not think about the cash back?

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Speaker 1: The list keeps going. The Times also reported that the

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Speaker 1: administration a slow stopped some food testing of grocery adams

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Speaker 1: for hazardous bacteria, monitoring monitoring of shellfish. So so far,

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Speaker 1: the specific ones that they've stopped monitoring our dairy and shellfish.

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Speaker 6: You got to keep an eye on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the two. Those are two of the

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Speaker 1: ones that I want somebody to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Also, just to be clear, we are doing gallows humor.

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Speaker 6: There is no whistle like a graveyard whistle, So I

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Speaker 6: think it's safe to say that we are fans of

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Speaker 6: this kind of infrastructure. It's kind of like how if

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Speaker 6: you're a human, you don't notice that your heart is

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Speaker 6: beating all the time right until it's not, and that's

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Speaker 6: when you run into a problem.

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Speaker 1: This kind of stuff is, man, you just thinking about

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Speaker 1: it your head.

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Speaker 6: Don't get in your head about it's happening.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it anytime. If

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Speaker 1: you want to know what it was like to smoke

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Speaker 1: weed with me, the answer we do. And we think

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Speaker 1: it's going too fast. I think it's going to fast.

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Speaker 10: I see everything.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you can deep enough breath? Do?

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Speaker 6: My hands? Are? They are?

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Speaker 1: They are? They are? They are? My heads?

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Speaker 6: But this is this is pretty uh, pretty concerning, and

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Speaker 6: I don't I obviously I don't think any of us

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Speaker 6: want to feel like a baton death march or whatever.

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Speaker 6: But the the stuff that is getting cut, I think

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Speaker 6: really speaks to you, guys idea about incompetence versus malevolence,

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Speaker 6: Like how can you be that specifically bad at innocuous

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Speaker 6: things that often?

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Speaker 1: I think I yesterday we were talking about this thing

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Speaker 1: that Trump's doing with the with environmental policy, where he's

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Speaker 1: like keeps saying well, windmills like don't work when the

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Speaker 1: wind stops blowing, and the you know, you can't have

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Speaker 1: energy proofs by windmill, and like really and like the

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Speaker 1: windmills are killing whales, and like these things that seem

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Speaker 1: really dumb and like have no scientific backing, but they

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Speaker 1: come from a bunch of research, like millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: of research being done by the smartest people, Like the

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Speaker 1: smartest Ivy League graduates all come out, and the jobs

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Speaker 1: that pay the most are like going to work for

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Speaker 1: oil companies and doing research on like how to counter

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Speaker 1: program like messaging about climate change, how to react right,

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Speaker 1: how to redact research. I'm a professional redactor. I make

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Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand dollars a year. So like there's all

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Speaker 1: this energy and money being put into whatever is going

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Speaker 1: to make the most money in that case, like getting

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Speaker 1: rid of any any environmental policies that stand in the

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Speaker 1: way of oil companies making as much money as they

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Speaker 1: possibly can. And I think with ship like this, where

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Speaker 1: like these policies get in the way of food companies

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Speaker 1: being able to make as much money as they want to,

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Speaker 1: and they're like annoying to food companies to have to

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Speaker 1: like pay attention to this ship. So all this stuff

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Speaker 1: that seems like malevolence is just them doing the you know,

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Speaker 1: taking away of any policies that get in the way

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Speaker 1: of companies, you know, get in the way of money

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Speaker 1: like flowing as quickly and you know, frictionlessly as possible

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Speaker 1: to the biggest corporations. Like I think that's where all

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Speaker 1: of this is coming.

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Speaker 6: From regulation to re capture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 7: And another scary thing too, like getting back to is

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Speaker 7: it manaras Is that how you pronounced Susan's Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's what I heard a newscasters say it that way,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're going with.

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Speaker 7: That's what we're that's what that's what Wolfe said. So

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Speaker 7: that's that's the same who you can't stop watching. But

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Speaker 7: my favorite, that's the scariest thing is that she is

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Speaker 7: someone who's fucked up enough for Trump to be okay

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Speaker 7: to appoint to that position to begin with, and this

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Speaker 7: person E won't even this is a bridge too far.

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Speaker 1: And what they're asking her to do a Trump appointee.

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Speaker 1: She's like, well, that's gonna like be so bad, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: obviously I can't do that, And they're like, well, then

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Speaker 1: you're fired.

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Speaker 7: If this is not a holdover from like the Jimmy Carter, No,

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Speaker 7: this is fresh, this is a fresh hire. I take

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Speaker 7: a D plus at this point, like you said, like

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Speaker 7: like a heat seeking missile for like being wrong. It's

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Speaker 7: not even like we're asking for an A plus, you know,

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Speaker 7: because that's impossible. It's like anything but an F minus,

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Speaker 7: Like if you can get a deeper it's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But well, I think we're inside a system that

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Speaker 1: has been fucked by unregulated capitalism for decades and decades,

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Speaker 1: and so anything that is just worsening that is going

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Speaker 1: to seem like it's exactly the wrong thing, because it is.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly the worst possible thing that could happen to

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Speaker 1: the country at this point. But because our options are

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Speaker 1: either the existing market driven thing that everybody we now

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Speaker 1: have like three decades where people are like no more

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Speaker 1: of that, and you know, there's no opportunity for socialism

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Speaker 1: or like they'll find a way to like try and

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Speaker 1: fight that away. So there's no like official version of

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Speaker 1: like a left wing opposition. The only other option is fascism,

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Speaker 1: and so that's what we now.

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Speaker 6: Have, yes, yeah, yeah, the final resort, right of fear

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Speaker 6: I think also, DearS, I gained how how the US

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Speaker 6: slipped from descriptions of civilians to consumers. You hear that right?

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Speaker 6: What happened to the pension? It became a four oh

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Speaker 6: one k, which comprises no less than forty percent of

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Speaker 6: the stock market. Let me look, sorry, guys, I stumbled

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Speaker 6: on this soapbox. Let me step off this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get up there.

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Speaker 2: Careful, careful, careful, careful.

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Speaker 6: Oh jeez, Well, we're speaking to the choir while those

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Speaker 6: are still allowed right in modern day America.

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Speaker 1: And how weird is.

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Speaker 7: The only choir that's actually the music We're going to

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Speaker 7: have its choirs.

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Speaker 6: That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Your universal basic income, you will have to go sing

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Speaker 1: in the choir.

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh, yeah, full handmaide's tail. But how could this,

875
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 6: how could this be a thing? We cut like who

876
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Speaker 6: learns about the idea of food born illness and says.

877
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man kind of corporations whose jobs for

878
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Speaker 1: whom it is expensive to not do food born illnesses?

879
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: I think those are the people. And yeah, but that

880
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: would be my that would be my assumption, because yeah,

881
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: it does. It does seem almost like when you're just

882
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: viewing it out of context, is like it seems weird

883
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: that they keep doing exactly the wrong thing, like on purpose.

884
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, the the vaccine thing, I don't like that.

885
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: That one's just like ideologically driven incorrect. Is going to

886
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: kill a lot of people in a way that like

887
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: seems like it's pretty going to be pretty transparently their fault.

888
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: But this that's not going to help.

889
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 7: It seems to me where this is always to your point,

890
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 7: it's either business and money or quote unquote traditional values.

891
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 7: And I'm going to push actually back against you, Jack,

892
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 7: where I think this is a traditional values thing where

893
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 7: they want to get back to the era of getting

894
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 7: so sick whenever you eat, you know, like yeah, pray

895
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Speaker 7: and then like have a doctor travel by foot from.

896
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

897
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, blood lighting, like we need to bring back blood

898
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 7: letting make them out America again.

899
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: Make America die from diarrhea again exactly. Yeah, diarrhea death

900
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Speaker 1: by diarrhea.

901
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, MySpace dot com slash diarrhea Death's happened.

902
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 6: I love it, my Space diary. But this is how it.

903
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 6: This is how it happens. It's never gonna be a

904
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 6: full frontal thing. It's gonna be some information management on

905
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 6: you know, whatever your local favorite Fox News is where

906
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 6: someone uh, someone says, hey, uh this just in toilet

907
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 6: paper prices are through the roof, which has a lot

908
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: of people talking about whether diarrhea is good for you.

909
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 6: We're going now to the last doctor.

910
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: Or just the last doctor, final, the last doctor. Way.

911
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: Many people die of diarrhea every year, I should say,

912
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: especially young children. Right, Yeah, well, there's gonna be more Yeah,

913
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: it should be more common. It should be a thing

914
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: that we're all talking about. You know, that's the issue,

915
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: because it's funny, and that'll be funny. That'll make things funnier,

916
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: make them and unavoidable. Can we avoid this? We're making

917
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: We're making comedy legal again.

918
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 6: Folks, make America goufaugh again.

919
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 7: You can't say anything anymore. We'll be right back. You're

920
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 7: listening to the Daily zeitchece on the iHeartMedia Network.

921
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: I was waiting for it.

922
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Speaker 7: Ninety three point three WMMR. That's the Philadelphia radio station,

923
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Speaker 7: who which I do get money every time I promote them.

924
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Speaker 1: Money here and we're back, And I feel like World

925
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Speaker 1: War two probably the most like depicted movie or war

926
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: in the history of film, maybe the most depicted event

927
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Speaker 1: in the history possibly film Vietnam is probably doesn't have

928
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: as many movies, but I feel like it's so iconic,

929
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: like it's so like it exists because of these like

930
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: classic movies that depicted Vietnam. We were talking about how

931
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: the song Fortunate Son, like if you hear that, you

932
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: picture yourself descending in a helicopter above like Rice Patties,

933
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: like I think from Forrest Gump. Maybe, but the current

934
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: wars that are like being fought by America like don't

935
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: exist in the same way. I feel like I'm just

936
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: curious to like hear you guys thoughts on like why

937
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: that might be the case or might not, Like why,

938
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think Vietnam ended. I sound like Walter

939
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: from Big Lebowski Now, it like had a fairly definitive end,

940
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: and then people started making movies about it, like after

941
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: the fact a little bit, like you know, while Viennam

942
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: was happening, they made mash but it was like about

943
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: the Korean War because they didn't want to like actually

944
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: touch that. And so maybe it's just that like we're

945
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: still doing this like in the Middle East, and so

946
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: people can't deal.

947
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: I think I think, yeah, I think the forever war

948
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 2: part of it is really big because there's no ability

949
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: to get closure or distance. And I you know, there

950
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: was the spat of like very ambitious prestigee war movies

951
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: that I feel like really started up around the second

952
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: Bush term that the audience just went like, no fucking

953
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: way to all of this, right, Like movies like Rendition

954
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: and like Stop Loss and things that were very earnest

955
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: and like we're really we need to dig into this,

956
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: and people were just like, don't don't want to talk

957
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: about any of this, no thing, we got no distance,

958
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: We're stuck in it. I don't want to be reminded

959
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, you know, I think there was a

960
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: very similar thing of people trying to make things about

961
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: the lockdown during the lockdown exactly. You know, where the

962
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: studios were like, oh, it's great, we'll do a sitcom

963
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: over Zoom and it's about friends hanging out over Zoom

964
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't want to fucking watch this. Yeah,

965
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: And I don't want to watch it five years later anymore.

966
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to relive that.

967
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Speaker 1: You know, it took ice Cubes the War of the

968
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: World's for us to finally come to terms with it

969
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: and want to watch it. Finally, finally we under theres

970
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Speaker 1: something too.

971
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Speaker 2: There was such confusion around Vietnam, and I really think

972
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Speaker 2: that is a war that the movies processed for the

973
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: public in a way even more than anything else. There

974
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: was so much kind of like corruption and confusion and

975
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: smoke screening, even with journalism and government and everything at

976
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: the time that I think there was just something with

977
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: that timing out with the new Hollywood movement and studios

978
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: getting less controlling and artists coming in who are willing

979
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: to like touch the nerve where we all had to

980
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: kind of I say this, we all none of us

981
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: were fucking alive, but you know, the culture used movies

982
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: to work through this shit. And I think partially because

983
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: of Vietnam, not that all the reporting the government communication

984
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 2: was better in the forever wars has been at any point,

985
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: but there's been more of a collective conversation. And obviously

986
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: the growth of the Internet, the ability to not just

987
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: need to rely on what like one person is telling

988
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: us then makes it so that like, I don't need

989
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: a movie to fucking tell me about this, especially if

990
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: we don't yet have an endpoint that we can look

991
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: back on and step away and go what was this

992
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: all about, right, And I feel very similarly about like

993
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 2: last year, last two years in particular, there's a wave

994
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: of movies that feel very lockdown inspired to me that

995
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: I think are very pointedly not about the pandemic at

996
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: all explicitly, but like I weirdly think Oppenheimer very much

997
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: comes out of that, not just in the fear of

998
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: like a thing that can change the world forever, but

999
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: even in like the building of Los Alamos and everyone

1000
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: needing to like create this bubble, and Barbie that same

1001
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: year is like about this kind of bubbled living, you know,

1002
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: and like relationship to culture. I think there were these

1003
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: movies Asteroid Cities another one where like a lot of

1004
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 2: our biggest commercial artists were making these moves that exist

1005
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: in these small, like hypercharged bubbles of a brief moment.

1006
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: Los Almos in that is the NBA bubble, like that

1007
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: in the metaphor.

1008
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: And like I love Eddington and it's a masterpiece, but

1009
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: the public very much went no, thank you because it

1010
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: was explicitly.

1011
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: About the Yeah.

1012
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: Well, and Superman also has a fairly clear metaphor floor

1013
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: Palestine in Israel, which is like kind of incredible that

1014
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: they got away with that especially in you know, something

1015
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: like this.

1016
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: And James Gunn in interviews has been like, look, I

1017
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: wrote this movie three years ago, Like you're all astounded

1018
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: by how directly it maps onto Palestine and Israel. But

1019
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: we've been in some version of this for decades. Hey,

1020
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: the Palestine and Israel thing has been going on for decades.

1021
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: But be there like seven other analogs. You can look

1022
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 2: at Russian and Ukraine, you know. And I think it's

1023
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: like we're more willing to process these types of things

1024
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: as an element of Superman rather than making the whole

1025
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: movie out of that.

1026
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: Totally, because it's too terrifying to look at it directly.

1027
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: And also we're getting it directly aimed into our phones

1028
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: as well, which changes every did like a response to it.

1029
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: And I mean, I think purt Locker is the only

1030
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: war film to win Best Picture in the last twenty years.

1031
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: I'd say, like explicitly war film. Uh, And that's a

1032
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: movie that is a character study, right. It was the

1033
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: only one that was well received in that run of films, right,

1034
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: because it's not a political but it's about what it

1035
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: is like to be a soldier in a war rather

1036
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: than the war.

1037
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other two that I think exists are American

1038
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Sniper and Zero Dark thirty. Yeah, and those are the

1039
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: two where they can make America the hero, like you

1040
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they can find a way

1041
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: one because they're just basing on a memoir of a

1042
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: guy who's like making shit off kind of, and then

1043
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Zero Dark thirty is like, well, we're fucking killing Den Latton.

1044
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: And obviously it's like, you know, more morally complex than that.

1045
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: But I think that might but those two being the

1046
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: only two that like broke through. An American Sniper broke

1047
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: through in like a major wa like he was huge.

1048
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: But Zero Dark thirty was also like a very big

1049
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: hit and was seen as the best Picture front runner

1050
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: until many centers spoke out against it and kind of

1051
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: like made it too much of a hot potato.

1052
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think those two breaking through

1053
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: b makes it that Like that's where I get the

1054
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: idea that it's like because we don't want to be complicit,

1055
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: we don't like the fact that it's still happening. We

1056
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: feel we feel guilty that it's still happening, and so

1057
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: we just like need to just leave it over there

1058
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: unless you can tell us the story where we're like,

1059
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: oh hell yeah, We're like we're doing a thing that matters.

1060
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: I think also, like killing bin Laden closed a loop.

1061
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you could break off a story. Yeah, exactly.

1062
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: A movie I found very fascinating. But one of the

1063
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: things I like about is the ending of the movie

1064
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: is this kind of like Dustin Hawkins sitting in the

1065
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: bus at the end of the graduate being like, fuck,

1066
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: what do I do now?

1067
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

1068
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: It has this very like striking ending of Jessica Chastain

1069
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: having completed the thing clearly with this expression on her

1070
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: face of like what now. I don't feel good. We

1071
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: haven't solved this right, yeah, Like we're stuck in the

1072
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: aftermath of this. We got the guy, but it doesn't

1073
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: like vindicate anything.

1074
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Speaker 1: That's why I love Thin Red Line.

1075
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: The entire movie is mostly like beauty and confusion. You're

1076
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: never there. It's like it's truly an anti war film

1077
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: because at no point you're like, hey, that's pretty badass.

1078
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: Actually yeah yeah.

1079
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: I Also it was like, right after hurt Locker, she's like,

1080
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: I want to do the Bin Laden movie, and she

1081
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: sets it up before they got him, she had written

1082
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: it and cast it. Rooney Marrow was going to play

1083
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: the Jessica Chestain part. They had like half of the

1084
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: supporting cast set, they were prepping it, and then the

1085
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: Seal Team six rate happened and she was like, I

1086
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: got to rebuild the movie.

1087
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And the first version of movie I think would have

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01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: not worked at all beyond the fact of like imagining

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: it coming out in the world where there was an

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: ending that the movie wasn't acknowledging. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: in that moment would have wanted to see that, Whereas

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: the actual movie came out like two years after with

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01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: enough distance, and I think it was speaking to a

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01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: desire of like, if we're stuck in Forever Wars, is

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Speaker 2: there at least a way to break this into volumes

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Speaker 2: where we can start to process one thing as complete.

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Speaker 3: This a new hope, Yeah, we'll store. A huge aspect

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Speaker 3: of storytelling is conclusion.

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Speaker 1: We need, we need things.

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Resolved, and American Sniper has like a very dark resolution. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, by framing it around one guy and being

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01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: like and.

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Speaker 1: He died right, oh yeah, tragically, and therefore you don't

1105
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: have to like feel weird and like think about too

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01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: much what he was doing over there, because what he

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: was doing at the end was undoubtedly good. So we're

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: all good here, right, good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, have to ask a question, how do

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Speaker 3: we actually feel about sniping?

1111
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: We really love sniping?

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Speaker 13: You know, two movies that come together are I'm thinking

1113
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 13: of as we're talking through this is like where it's

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 13: like it doesn't really.

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Speaker 1: Come to a conclusion, is a Cecario?

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know that that it's like this secret war,

1117
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 13: just the shady side of how we're conducting ourselves as

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01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 13: a country and these other countries. And it's kind of

1119
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 13: at the end like a shrug of just like hey, yeah,

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Speaker 13: this is fucked up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is like the opposite of propaganda basically, right right,

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Speaker 3: you know, But it connects to one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: Vietnam era movies, or sure of the Rambo films, which

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Speaker 3: start with a morally complex one about like the you know,

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Speaker 3: moral weight of like what we made soldiers do over there.

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Speaker 2: This is the business end of the psychological trauma we

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01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: put people through.

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Speaker 1: And then the second one he just goes back and

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Speaker 1: wins Vietnam. Yeah, and then Sacario has it to a

1130
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Speaker 1: lesser degree, but it has a sequel that's just like fuck,

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Speaker 1: this is fun. This is like an amazing action movie

1132
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: version of the first one without all the nasty guilt

1133
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: and like ambiguity, ambiguity, and then like Predator I think

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01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: is a fascinating almost like response film too Rambo of sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you guys just want to see the biggest

1136
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: guy go in and solve the jungle, right right, like yeah,

1137
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: fucking he's gonna get eat my monster. Right, we're like

1138
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: walking into things we don't understand. Yeah, yeah, the ultimate ratifications.

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: If we're talking about war films with cultural staying power.

1140
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: By the way, we should acknowledge the Infinity War and

1141
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 2: the many heroes we lost in the blip. Okay, we

1142
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: got them back, thankful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm still grieving. I mean, you know, I'm

1144
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: sure we got him back. Never forget you never forget?

1145
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: Should we? Actually just a moment silence for the Yeah,

1146
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: I think twenty minutes on the podcast.

1147
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: But that's a war we got closure to.

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

1149
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the good guy did the snap and everything's good now.

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Speaker 6: I really my hope.

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Speaker 3: Is that one day we'll be able to make movies so.

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: Well we won't have to do war anymore. It'd be great,

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty cool.

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: I've always said the only solution to a bad guy

1155
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: with a snap is a good guy with us.

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01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Avengers real quick, we'll do speed round

1157
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: of a couple ideas I wanted to hit. Do you

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01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: guys buy into the idea that like sex has gone

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01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: away from movies and that like there's a great essay

1160
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: everybody's beautiful, nobody's horny, or something along those lines that

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: talks about how like our blockbuster movies are full of

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01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: like attractive people who like don't even have like sexual energy.

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: Really they're not, like you don't think of them as

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: sexual beings, and that you like, we had a whole

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: genre of movies that was just like Michael Douglas fux

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: and like his Horny that's a whole type of movie.

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: And those movies are like explicit in every sense. They

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01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: are like sexually visually explicit, but they are also like

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01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: textually explicit. Yes, I think the thing that we've lost

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01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: more is like movies that have sexual energy, right right,

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: Like one I think of all the time is Pelican

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01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: Brief where they cast Denzel Washington.

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01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 6: The character in the book was white.

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: Yes, everyone freaked out, even in fucking nineties America, they

1175
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: were like people might revolt of Denzel Washington Julia Roberts kiss.

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: And so that is a movie that is loaded with

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Speaker 2: sexual chemistry that never actually like comes to a pass.

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01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: They were too worried about showing them visually do anything,

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: and yet the movie feels horny as right, right, And

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Speaker 2: I think almost all Hollywood movies used to have that, right, Like,

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: there is this innate voyeurism to films where it's like

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: we want to watch hot people beat together, yea, and

1183
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: either they're doing stuff or we're like charging the space

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01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: in between them, like they do stuff?

1185
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 12: What if they did stuff?

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01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: And it's also like.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of this is I'm guilty of

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01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: this as well. A lot of this is blamed on

1189
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: like is there a younger generation that is like more

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: skittich and like sort of anxious, you know, neurotic about

1191
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: ideas of sex right and power dynamics and all this?

1192
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: And is that why movies don't want to touch them?

1193
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: But you're also like shipping culture has only increased for

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: the last twenty five years, you know, and like to

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01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: an extent where people are just like I like to

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01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: imagine that these two side characters that don't even talk

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01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: are dating and draw them in this kind of way.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is like this, that

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Speaker 2: that the two thousands, especially the twenty tens, were really

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: defined by this obsession with the global box office and

1201
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: like Hollywood films as being this exported product where for

1202
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: a couple of years the international grosses of movies were

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01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: overtaking the domestic grosses. And you read about in different

1204
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: countries and different territories they just have like entirely different

1205
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: cultural standards in some cases like very extreme censorship boards.

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01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: But also the Hollywood got really in their head about learning,

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 2: like you know, in China, you can't release a movie

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: with ghosts.

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: Right, you know Star Wars tanks over there. Yeah, they're all.

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: These metrics they have to process that I think just

1211
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: kind of blanded a lot of things out.

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Speaker 1: They just don't want to offend anyone absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I also want to want to say that we should

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Speaker 3: also consider the fact that sex is.

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Speaker 2: Icky's right, gross and bad.

1216
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: There is like an undert yeah yeah, yeah. I feel

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01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of young people are like, don't show

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: me that that's gross, Like stop putting that in my movies.

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: But then like I wonder how much of it so

1220
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: like I'm of two minds about this one. I think

1221
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: there's like something weird and interesting happening with you know

1222
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: how Starship Troopers is like has sex, but it like

1223
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: doesn't really have like sexual energy. It's just like it's

1224
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: like nudity that's just like completely cut off. And it's

1225
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: a movie about fascism. Like I think that that's an

1226
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: important part of fascism, is like beautiful people without like

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Speaker 1: sexual energy, and like.

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Speaker 2: It's a beat that for Whoven repeats twice he doesn't

1229
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: RoboCop and Starship Troopers where he's like, this is a

1230
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: culture where men and women can shower together and there's

1231
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: no sense of sexual danger. Like in both of those

1232
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Speaker 2: films you have like locker rooms like cops and like

1233
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: soldiers who are just fully naked in a mass space

1234
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: and they can.

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Speaker 1: Like slaping asses.

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01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: Left Football and Starship Troopers there's like kind of like

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01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: well they won't they jousting banter and even still there's

1238
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: no threat of actual physical things happening. Right, We've almost

1239
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: become a post sexual society.

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: Incredible proliferation of pornography, which is always right, So that's

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: what so part of me thinks, like it's interesting that

1242
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: like this, uh, you know, everybody is like in great shape,

1243
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: hot and like not horny for one another is happening

1244
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: as we're like descending into fascism in our country, Like

1245
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 3: maybe those two are related.

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: The other part of me is just like, oh, it's

1247
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: because like porns everywhere and everyone's like, no, I see

1248
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: that over there. Get this the fuck out of my movies.

1249
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: Like, and I think the shipping thing is also about romance,

1250
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 3: it is, right, So I think that's an interesting place

1251
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: for movies to.

1252
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: ConfL once again. It's like that's about tension, Like it

1253
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: doesn't need to escalate to nude scenes, to physicality, you know,

1254
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 2: but a lot of that energy is dissipated where I

1255
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes the shipping is like my head canon is,

1256
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: and you're like imagining a dynamic that is not actually

1257
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: depicted in the film because in a way, they're almost

1258
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: long for any sense of that tension existing. Yeah, even

1259
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: if it doesn't have to be the center. I also

1260
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: think perhaps a culprit that is not discussed much is

1261
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: the rise of like pay cable television, which got very sexual.

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 6: Right.

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: I don't say this in like a.

1264
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 10: Pejorative way of.

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 2: They got so sexual but like you know, suddenly HBO

1266
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: and then Showtime and then like all these things we're

1267
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: making Christie's shows, not like skin Amax softcore films for

1268
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: Pristie shows that started leaning really hard into nudity and

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: sex scenes where it was almost like a prerequisite. And

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: then you're starting to see shows where you're like, did

1271
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: that Greenlight Californiication solely because it's a perfect format to

1272
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: have twelve boobs an episodes you know, were Masters of

1273
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 2: Sex or whatever, Like it felt like things were skewing

1274
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: that way, and I think a lot of that was

1275
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: a pushing of these are things you thought you could

1276
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: never see on television. Sure, TV's getting serious, it's growing up, right,

1277
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: We're showing you the most forbidden things that you're not

1278
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: used to seeing at home. And did that kind of

1279
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: swap the paw our dynamic where then sex scenes and

1280
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: movies started to feel like a TV thing.

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, because even like Game of Thrones, I remember seeing

1282
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 3: it was like there was nudity, but I feel like

1283
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 3: the weirdest like softcore porn nudity with like this is

1284
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: Dragon time, but also these it's clear these women at

1285
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: fake breasts, Like it was just all this.

1286
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: Spartacus shows are very horny, like all those things. I

1287
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: do think something shifted there.

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you did refer to Game of Thrones

1289
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: as Dragon time. I remember, Yeah, I believe that's cannon.

1290
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: Let's put it on this Dragon time. That's two thousand

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: and dragon the year. All right, I feel like we

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01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: can keep this conversation going for three hours, but we

1293
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: have to stop. All right. That's gonna do it. For

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Speaker 1: this week's Weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show

1295
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: if you like. The show means the world to Miles.

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01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: He he needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: a great weekend and I will talk to him Monday.

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Speaker 1: By nothing,