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Speaker 1: and whatnot. The head scratchers, little k those little tingly

426
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: head scratchers. Crean made one of those out of pheasant feet.

427
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: They're cow's business. We got a raccoon hide, so one

428
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: of Clay's raccoons, signed by Clay. We have my left

429
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: handed mark weatherb Mark five and first, like Camo, we

430
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: have my complete archery set up from so if you

431
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: watched the season ten episode of Me Either where me

432
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: and Phelps are hunting elk and I shot a bowl

433
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: that bow like ready to go? I actually like had

434
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I had. I haven't really shot that bow since then

435
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: because I had a shoulder injury and I'm just now

436
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: trying to get back to be able to pull my

437
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: ball back. Um Cal's pruning shears. That'll fetch a pretty penny.

438
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: Lots of good stuff in the auction House of bodities,

439
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: So go check out the auction House of bodities. Now,

440
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: can I tell you one thing that's not on that list?

441
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: It's going to be a bad stuff on the on

442
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, James Miller, who you know. We had

443
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: dinner at his house down there in Colorado Crafty Fellows.

444
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: In my repertoire of stories, there's a James like I

445
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: only have like a certain stories, Like I have like

446
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: five or six stories I tell him, and one of

447
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: them is about him. Do you can't render tell it now?

448
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: I just probably told it last podcast. It wasn't. Do

449
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: you try to beat him up? That's right? And uh,

450
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: he is building a or has already built a quiver

451
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: that goes on your back that is leather lined and

452
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: then finished on the outside with a coyote pelt. And

453
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: with that he makes custom wood arrows footed shafts, and

454
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: usually he just sells the shafts themselves. So footage means

455
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: you take another piece of wood that's heavier and with like,

456
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: what do you call that connection? Is it just a

457
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: dovetail chester? There's there's different there's a few different ones

458
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: that you can use for He also tapers these wooden shafts,

459
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: which doesn't happen. Often makes them tighter, stronger, and straighter.

460
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: Usually he doesn't finish them, but for this he's gonna

461
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: finish a dozen arrows. So if you if you bid

462
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: on it, you're gonna just call him up and say, hey,

463
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: I shoot seventy pounds draw length. Is this da da

464
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: da dada? I need this spine of arrow, and he'll

465
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: build you exactly what you want. Is one crafty craft.

466
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: They're so beautiful that when you get them, you're gonna say,

467
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should put him on the

468
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: wall and just look at him, or if I should

469
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: go and shoot him. He would rather have you shooting him,

470
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: but maybe you'll take two or three and just keep

471
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: him as art and he's sending them in that kyote

472
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: for a quiver, no ship. M Oh, you'll appreciate this

473
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: as a as an archer bow hunter. Yanni and I

474
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: were doing a little research on something the other day.

475
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: UM three arrows recovered at the Battle of the Little

476
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: Big Horn site sold at auction d dollars beautiful though

477
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: steel steel aide points on them. Wood shafts, feather veins

478
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: from a Little Big Horn. That's wild. Just picture one

479
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: of them sticking right out of Custer's forehead. That what auction?

480
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: We didn't get that far museum or something custards. How

481
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: much did that chunk of Oh? I can't never mind,

482
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I almost just ruined something that. Oh, check this out.

483
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: They were you know, uh, there's a thing called a

484
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: copper light. You bloys know what a copper light is.

485
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: They teach you that at the Olympics, no fossilized human

486
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: or fossilized poop is a copper light. Okay, some guy

487
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: drops a deuce in the thou years ago by becomes

488
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: a copper light. They were analyzing the copper light in Texas.

489
00:28:51,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Was this near um bonfire shelter? Buffalo jump Ah, I

490
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: do not know, Oh, did you see those pictures that

491
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: me of me and cal posing with those dinosaur tracks

492
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: down in Texas. I took them. Okay, well, no, here's

493
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: the problem I have. Like I used to always because

494
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah and I traveled so much together. Any time something happened,

495
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I assumed Yohni was there. And it's not always be

496
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: like hey, yeah, do you remember when he's like no,

497
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: because that wasn't there, Like, how would you not have

498
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: been there? You're everywhere? Yeah, sorry, cran I thought that

499
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: I was honest. Took those pictures. Uh. So they were

500
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: examining a copper light and this feller, this fella that

501
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: it took a growler years ago, had eaten an entire

502
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: whole rattlesnake and past like the scientific term is shot.

503
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I out, Uh even one of the fangs a hungry

504
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: dude vertib or the more because because well it was

505
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: probably in the next right, in the next one the

506
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: next day, or he had his coffee smoked cigarette so

507
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: vertebra ribs, fang fortysome scales and as happens in this

508
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: discipline in archaeology, and we've joked about this in the past.

509
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: We've had archaeologists joke about it anytime you find something weird,

510
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: you say it may have been some kind of a ritual.

511
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: So of course there's the this may have been ritualistic.

512
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm picturing this being some kind of poetic justice. So

513
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: I have chickens at my house, and we had a

514
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: we raised a pig, and the pig was very kind

515
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and it's super lovable, and then at one stage it

516
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: just kind of went feral and started eating the chickens.

517
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: So when we butchered the pig and turned it into bacon,

518
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: I took some of the got some stuff like that

519
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: and fed it back to the chickens. Felt like it

520
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: was poetic justice. So I think maybe this feller had

521
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: a pet rat that was like his, you know, his homie,

522
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: and he watched this rattlesnake swallowed the rat hole and

523
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm gonna kill you, and I'm gonna

524
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: do the same thing to you. That's probably you should

525
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: publish that. I just wrote it right now. Alternate an

526
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: alternate explanation. Really interesting now, halfle Finger, I can't tell

527
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: how serious was halfle Finger when he was suggesting that. Yeah,

528
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: never mind, I don't because he kind of made a

529
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: flipping off the cough comment. I don't want to hold

530
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: him to it. Um, Yanni, this is this is like

531
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: a hard to explain thing. This is between me and honest.

532
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: But I sent Karrent a screenshot of my text message

533
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: exchange from Yanni, So yeah, I gotta gonna I haven't

534
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: asked Yanni about this yet. Yanni shares with me how yeah, yeah,

535
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: one day shares me how he and Mingus operatings together

536
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: as a soul unit, caught a mountain lion. And this

537
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: is like a threshold. This is a this is this

538
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: is almost like a religious experience for Yanni because this

539
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: is like, like the archaeologists always say, Yanni knew he

540
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: would arrive, like him and his dog as a hunting

541
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: unit would arrive once Mingus just caught a lion, because

542
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: then it's like it wasn't that he was following one

543
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: of his buddies dogs, He wasn't just along for the ride.

544
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't barking but didn't really know what he was

545
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: barking about. He caught his own line irrefutable proof, which

546
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: last time unless he just had me walking through the

547
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: woods and noticed the lion in a tree, which doesn't happen.

548
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: And last time we were talking about this on this

549
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: year podcast. I was saying that that's you're asking me, like,

550
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: what's next. I said, that's next. We gotta go out

551
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and hunt and do it on our own. And since

552
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: caught three, Yeah, so that was number one. And then

553
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: we got lucky and uh caught a trail of two

554
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: lions together and Mangus treat them both. Really, yeah he did.

555
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: He thought treat two separately that day. Well, did they

556
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: go up the same tree? No, so it was he

557
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of we were in a creek bottom. He cut

558
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: the trail and took off up the hill. And I've

559
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: realized now this is one of the cool things about

560
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: like getting to know what your dog does, is that

561
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: if he opens up, meaning that he starts to like

562
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: bark on trail, if he is not moving very quickly,

563
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: he's on a bobcat because there just must be just

564
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: less scent. The bobcat weaves and bobs through the woods more.

565
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: That's where they got their name from, bob and weave.

566
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: And uh. So he doesn't move very fast. I can

567
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: usually catch up to him if he just lines out

568
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the GPS shews a straight

569
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: line of like a hundred yards like it's a mountain

570
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: lion track, so this is what's going on. And so

571
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: I just started bogging up the hill, and uh, I

572
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: imagine that he had those lions caught in thirty minutes.

573
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: But I had steep deep snow, like probably crash deep

574
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: snow going to get to the ridge. When I got

575
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: to the ridge, I thought, oh, yeah, easy going now,

576
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: But it turns out the south face and slope was

577
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: covered in like screen and loose rock with like two

578
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: to six inches of fresh snow. So even it looked

579
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: like it was gonna be breezy, I'm just gonna grease

580
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: right across it and not being so. And it was

581
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: kind of treacherous, like slipping a slide and feet poking

582
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: through into holes, smashing my shins on the rocks. So

583
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: I had to slow it down. I haven't busted out

584
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: my trek and poll, it's how bad it was bad.

585
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: So he was there for a solid hour. I finally

586
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: get there, making noise the whole time. I don't know,

587
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: hopefully that's what he's supposed to be doing, right. All

588
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: I know is that I get there. Right as I

589
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: get there, he maybe quits barking like five or ten

590
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: seconds earlier, and it wasn't until I was under two

591
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: yards I could even hear him barking, just because of

592
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: the curvature of the hill, you know. I get to

593
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of a rock out cropping and he's quit barking

594
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: for maybe ten fifteen seconds, and I looked down below

595
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: me and I see a mountain line on the ground

596
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: slinking away to go in the direction I came from,

597
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: but eighty yards below me, and Mingus is not barking,

598
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I did it like your dog killed? Yeah,

599
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I got my dog killed because he's by himself. Bad news,

600
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was just in the back of my head.

601
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Even the daughters would have been pi. Yeah, but I

602
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: could have fixed that problem with another puppy, but good news.

603
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I would have had a very heavy heart. So I'm like, Mangus, Mangus,

604
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: talk to him, talk to him, like just like trying

605
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: to just to get something out of him. And he

606
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: immediately just comes kind of out of the woods and

607
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: I can see him and he runs up to the

608
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: base of this tree that I was not looking at.

609
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: I was looking at the mountain walking away, and he starts,

610
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, treeing on that tree, and I look up

611
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: the tree and about eye level with me, actually a

612
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: little bit below me, there's a cat. And so, like

613
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, I knew I was following two because I

614
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: was following two different sized tracks. Every now and then

615
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: they would split, and I could see at the base

616
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: of the tree that he had worn it all out.

617
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, there's no snow left, and he's a tree biter,

618
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: so at about when he's on his hind legs and

619
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: about head height for him, there's usually like an eighteen

620
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: inch oval circle of where he's worn the bark off

621
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: the tree. So he does that for a minute or so.

622
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Like, I don't know what the other cat.

623
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Had he been going back and forth

624
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: between two trees where the other cat was, I don't

625
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: think the cat would have just been on the ground

626
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: watch him treat the other one. That doesn't make sense.

627
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened there for an hour,

628
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: but he only trees there for a minute, and then

629
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he stops and you can see

630
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: his nose kind of points the direction where that line was,

631
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: and I think it was about ten ten thirty. I'm

632
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: guessing that he caught like an uphill thermal. It must

633
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: have caught the center of that other line that left

634
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: and boogies down to that track takes off in two

635
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: or three minutes later. I can hear embarking treed like

636
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: yards away. So he went and caught that one. Was

637
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: it a female and like a semimature kit exactly female

638
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: and a subadult man. We gotta set some time. We

639
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: gotta set like some time to hunt. But I'm telling you,

640
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting the lion yes over Mingus. So that's how

641
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: we get back to this text chain. Oh so oh,

642
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: but one quick thing U Yanni informed me before we started.

643
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: Yanni has now secured permission with his spouse to get

644
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: a second lion hound. Mingus needs a buddy. Are you

645
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna like a high test, like a you know, like

646
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: a high test pedigreed. I've already had some offers for

647
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: free to just take dogs. I think that there's plenty

648
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: of hound trainers, handlers whatever. They might not even necessarily

649
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: be breeders, but they like to see lineages keep going,

650
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: and they're not in it to like make money. They don't.

651
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, I have great dogs, this other person

652
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: has great dogs. We're gonna make some great dogs. We

653
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: would like them to go to people that hunt and

654
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: keep those dogs hunting. And then that line hunting. Yeah,

655
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: and you like obviously takes super good care of it

656
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: and hunt it. Yeah, you won't be like some guy

657
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: who you know just watching TV. But it was going

658
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: to be a lion hunter. Yeah. Uh so. And Paul,

659
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: there's a there's a picture of Mingus change Textas texts

660
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: me that Mingus caught his first line, and I texted

661
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: him like, I don't remember the hell. I said, great.

662
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Then I text you on a photo of a fox

663
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: squirrel eating a shad in a tree. Hold On, let's

664
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: get exactly right, because I feel like I'm about to

665
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: get thrown under the bus here, you said, just you

666
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: and Mingus? I said, yep, I did get a tip

667
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: from my body about two spots to check um and

668
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: the cat was in the second spot. You said, that's

669
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: gotta feel good, and right below that's gotta feel good,

670
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: there's a picture of a fox squirrel in a tree

671
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: eating a shad, all coated in blood. Yeah, and to

672
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: which she has zero reply. I just sent him the

673
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: most interesting photo in the history of photography. No, I said,

674
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: I said, I'm on cloud nine, I said, coincidentally, I

675
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: got to watch him find the tree she was in

676
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the first time she jumped twice. This is while sitting

677
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: on the most groundbreaking photograph known to man. I said,

678
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: it was beautiful, the fish eating a shad in a tree.

679
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: This is like I think of photos that could compared,

680
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: oh like Neil Armstrong, like on the Moon with that flag.

681
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: I basically sent that to Yanni, but it's nineteen seventy

682
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell that was, right, Yeah, so I'm

683
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: in like a very different headspace, Cloud nine. My dog's

684
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: just treat its first mountainlin on its own, and you said,

685
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: that's gotta feel good, and then just slip in this

686
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: picture and I look at it like, oh, well, that

687
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: must be one of those memes. But that's like Steven

688
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: Ronella's style, like that's gotta feel good, just like this

689
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: fox squirrel has to feel good munching on this chat

690
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: because most fox squirrels don't get to comment on the

691
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: squirrel eating the fish. There's a picture of the squirrel

692
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: eating the fish. If you guys, I figured it was

693
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: a meme, Jana says, is that real? I figured it

694
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: was a meme, went with that's got to feel good.

695
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I want to clarify something for you and everybody. I

696
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: have never, in my life, nor will I ever in

697
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: my life, ever traffic in a meme. I'm right there

698
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: with you. I'm on team no meme. I won't text

699
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: a meme. I won't put a meme on social media.

700
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: I will not. I do not traffic in memes or emojis,

701
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: just like all of it. No, I don't traffic in emojis.

702
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I will never traffic in a meme. You guys, big

703
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: meme guys. I mean I appreciate a good meme. I'm not.

704
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a trafficker of memes either, and I don't.

705
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: I don't create them or you know, I to do

706
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: that and then I share him. Quick note, this is

707
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: the opposite of an apology to the falconer community. We

708
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: need to get a falconer on it. I pointed out,

709
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: they're not even taking on what I said, they're not

710
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: even tagging what I said. I pointed out that I

711
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: believe that I made an estimate. I believe half of

712
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: all Falconers got into Falconry through a D and D

713
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: took a path that went through D and D to

714
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: get into falconry. That's all I said. This guy's like,

715
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: we spend a hundred and fifty days in there. That's

716
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: not what I said. His was not the only comment.

717
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: He's representative of an upset. Yeah, but like some other thing.

718
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: What is a LARPer? He said? Players. I had looked

719
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: that up too, because alert there's alert, which was long

720
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: range reconnaissance patrol in Vietnam. A LARP is not nearly

721
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: as cool. It could be a LARPer about alert. You

722
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: could large alert, you can LARPer liver um team. No.

723
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: So just a clarification to the falconer community. I didn't

724
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: say they don't go out a lot. I said, I

725
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: believe that of all people that self identify as a falconer,

726
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: came through a D and D took a D and

727
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: D path, came through D and D rather than coming

728
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: through relationship with the outdoors. I think you're wrong. We'll

729
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: never know. Oh no, I think, well, what if we

730
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: just pulled ten falconers? Do I need to pull more

731
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: to find out? Because how are you gonna find them?

732
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know through Instagram? Okay, that's fine, but you're

733
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: actually gonna do that? Yeah, I'll pull ten? About it?

734
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be happy if I pull ten and

735
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: zero of them say I've or of all of them

736
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: say I've never played D and D. I will be

737
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: happy with it once I see your methods. If your

738
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: methods is going through your network of people who are

739
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: big time hunters, I won't trust the data. I'll get

740
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: with Chester the test are on it to make sure

741
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: that how to test that that I'm doing the right

742
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: All the falconers I know are pretty serious. I questioning

743
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: whether they're serious. Marping festival and see if there's any

744
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: falconers there and ask them if they got into it

745
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: from D and D. If I said, if, I said

746
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: after the movie Top Gun came out, um inductees into

747
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: the Air Force skyrocketed, and then some guy said, but

748
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: I wound up being in the Air Force for twelve years.

749
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: You'd be like, but once they have to do with

750
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Yeah, you're not. They're not talking

751
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: about what I'm talking about, and and you're not. I

752
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: get it now. Is it a video game? Dungeons and Dragons?

753
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: There was a class. There's there's a class and a

754
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of fantasy role playing called a druid that has

755
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: that can like communicate with animals, and they're like theirs,

756
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: their spirit familiars. It's sort of like like a ghost

757
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: or or like an animal that they sort of have,

758
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: like not like a spirit animal, but not too far

759
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: off from that concept. And falcons are very common familiar

760
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: that druids used to like, you know, they wear that

761
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: little s and m hood the birds do. It's like leather. Yeah,

762
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: that's like it's very like medieval. There's a lot of

763
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: medieval symbolism, like like they're like blinders. Yeah, it's all

764
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: there's all very medieval. So I get it. I get it.

765
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Did you guys know that, um m hmm. It's estimated

766
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: that the ski was I'm just looking at some stuff

767
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Curt shared with me. The ski was perhaps invented before

768
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the wheel. Yeah, of course, Oh that's obvious to you.

769
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean it seems obvious to me. Maybe that's my

770
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: ski background. But it's also much easier to construct a

771
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: ski than it would be a wheel. That's kind of

772
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. It's a big flat thing. The

773
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: first the first were glorified snowshoes, you think, so absolutely

774
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: saying that there's I don't, I gotta, I don't, I

775
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: gotta get this evidenced years worth of evidence of skiing.

776
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: Cave drawings suggests man use skis during the Last Ice Age.

777
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: The oldest ski artifacts come from the Mesolithic period. Fragments

778
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: of ski like objects discovering the nineteen sixties date back

779
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: to six thousand BC in northern Russia. You buy that, yeah,

780
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean you got much winters out there. You have

781
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: to get around in the winter, so I mean otherwise

782
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna just be post holing around all the time.

783
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: There are from four thousand BC rock carvings of a

784
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: skier in Norway. There's skis, actual skis discovered in Finland

785
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: that were three from three thousand, three hundred BC. In

786
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Sweden to skis and a ski pole emerged from a

787
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: bog in Sweden dated to two thousand seven BC. From

788
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: two thousand five b C, there are rock drawings that

789
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: depict a man on skis holding a stick on a

790
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Norwegian island two b C. They got into skiing in

791
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: China and check us out. The word ski comes from

792
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: the old Norse word. I don't know what's that word.

793
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm not not quite sure, but it sounds it's probably

794
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: like chia or something like that. My coach is Norwegian,

795
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: so here we always butchered Norwegian words and it drives

796
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: him nuts because he's like, no, it's not that. It's

797
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so the words derivation is a split piece

798
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: of firewood. That's pretty damn interesting. Oh do you guys

799
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: know what the alimal means? I don't know that. It

800
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: meant cotton wood. Did not? I know that? Now? All right,

801
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: do you explain to me because because as a bio like,

802
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: let me ask this as a biathlete, Um, how much

803
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: is like how much is the history of skiing and hunting?

804
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: Like how much is it interwoven as sort of like

805
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: a genesis myth? And how much is it that people

806
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, who cares? Um? Like how many by athletes? Yeah?

807
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Like is it like are you harkening back to the

808
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: olden times? Or there are a lot of people who

809
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: are like, I don't give a ship where it came from. Um,

810
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: I would say a lot of people probably like I

811
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: don't really care, but I mean it really depends what

812
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: nation you come from to like, I mean, if you're

813
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: coming from Germany, the sports just so big, you're like,

814
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't care. I just am like out here to compete. Um.

815
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: But I think there are definitely other people who have

816
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: like more of those those roots, like if you're up

817
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: in Norway, Sweden, Finland. Um, but I mean it kind

818
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: of went from like hunting also to the military side.

819
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: So I mean I would say the military roots are

820
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: still pretty strong because they still have like military world

821
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: championships every year and stuff like that. Um. But yeah,

822
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: because that one that one of the Finns we're whooping

823
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: on the Russians prior to World War Two, Yeah, I

824
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: mean they used to they kind of dominated them in

825
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: winter combat, right, Yeah. I mean that's how like I

826
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: mean in World War Two as well, like Norway the

827
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: Germany they just like really couldn't hold Norway because they

828
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: were just so one they knew the land so well,

829
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: but too they could get around really really well. Um.

830
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: But I mean they had trained their military um in

831
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: their like border patrol uh, pretty heavily on skis for

832
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: the longest time. Um. And that's when like those training

833
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: exercises really started to morph into competitions and people are like, hey,

834
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: this is pretty kind of this is pretty fun to

835
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: watch and like do and um continue. It more came

836
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: out of of of military units trained to travel by

837
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: ski yeah, I think but that but like because it

838
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: originally had come from hunting, because you know, back in

839
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the day and you're in the middle of winter up

840
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: in Sweden, Norway, Finland, uh, Russia, I mean you just can't.

841
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: It's so much more effective to get around on skis

842
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: and so, um, I think the military adopted that, and

843
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure that back then that's where, um they kind

844
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: of saw the success of it and we're like, hey,

845
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna adopt what these people have been

846
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: doing on on snow and um train our military because

847
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: it was just like very effective. What what countries kicked

848
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: the most? Asked them by athlon? Like who has the

849
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: most gold h Norway for sure right now, um, And

850
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's pretty big. It's the most watched

851
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: winter sport in Europe. So um it's really yeah. Yeah,

852
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: Like the average World Cup has about thirty six million

853
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: UH viewers on television. Um. He has some like huge

854
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: market chairs in in Norway, Germany, Sweden's growing, Russia, France,

855
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: but um, for the most part, I would say Norway

856
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: has like a really uh strong development of younger athletes

857
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: as well. So it's they just mean they have the

858
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: numbers as well. I mean here in the US you

859
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of struggle to get more than like a hundred

860
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: people at a race to to go where uh in

861
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: Norway you show up and you may have like twelve

862
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: hundred kids just like racing on a weekend. So you're

863
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: you're sort of like testing. They're testing a much higher

864
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: percentage of youths for talent, yep, and they have a

865
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of talent that we don't know about. But also,

866
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: like in the US, you have a lot of talent

867
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: going elsewhere. I mean in the U s it's like, hey,

868
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: you could be really good at bathlon or you could

869
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: be like really good at another sport that's going to

870
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: have a lot more support. Um. Not to say that

871
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: there's not talent in biathlon, but it's a lot harder

872
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: to find as well. I mean most people don't even

873
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: know what the sport of bathlon is. I mean back home,

874
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: I say it and they're like, like, oh, what do

875
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: you do? And I'm like, I'm on the Bathlon team

876
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: that oh, so you're like running bike or swimming do

877
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: something else and you're just like close, but it's skiing

878
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: and shooting. And then they get even more confused. So

879
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's just so David here, if he

880
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: lived in Norway, he might be uh, it's more likely

881
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: he might be a biathlon might be a biathlete. I mean,

882
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: but Norway in general, they just have like a killer

883
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: winter sports, uh, like across the board. Yeah, I mean

884
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: they won the medal count in the last two Olympics.

885
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: And they're a country of five and a half million people.

886
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's like basically Minnesota dominating the Olympics just

887
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: as one stay. But they're an entire country and part

888
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: of that is because they care a lot about it, um,

889
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: and they have training centers and um, everything else set

890
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: in place to develop all the sports across the board. Um.

891
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know who. I mean. I

892
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: think the US is still like the powerhouse of freestyle skiing,

893
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: but it's the example would be then, uh, like snowboarding.

894
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: The US has always been really good at snowboarding. Why

895
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: because we like kind of invented the sport, and Norway

896
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: is kind of the same way. I mean, they they

897
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: it's like their sport. Um, they've always been doing it,

898
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: but like there's always there's also a huge following in

899
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Germany and Germany, uh have really good by athletes as well,

900
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: but it's because it's it's really popular there as well.

901
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: Do you have this experience where you go to Europe

902
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: Scandinavia especially, where like you get off a plane and

903
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: you're you're like almost an A list celebrity because you're

904
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: an Olympic biathlete. Um, I wouldn't quite say like getting

905
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: off the plane. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, like if

906
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: you if you go to these races, um, like my

907
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: first World Cup and told Italy, uh, there was about

908
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: like sixty sixty five thousand people at the race, and

909
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, it's it's like people I are just like, oh,

910
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: can I get your autograph and stuff? And You're like yeah, sure,

911
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why, You're just kind of like confused

912
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: by it all, but yeah, no, people are definitely into

913
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: it um over there for sure. And then you come

914
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: home and people are like you do what? Yeah? Well

915
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: why I mean I landed in so I live in

916
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: Fargo right now, and I landed there right like, flew

917
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: from Beijing home for a week before I had to

918
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: go back for the last World Cups. I land and

919
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm wearing like my team USA sweatshirt and this woman

920
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: comes up to me. It is like, I hate to

921
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: be weird and stuff, but like I was looking for

922
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: him and you kind of look like him. But did

923
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: you just come back from the Olympics. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

924
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: I did actually, and she's like, oh, what's your sport?

925
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, blath line. She's like, oh, so you're

926
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: You're a summer athlete, so you're not actually competing right now.

927
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, well, no, I just said I

928
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: flew home from the Olympics. And it was just like

929
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: people just don't get it. And I mean it's like, okay,

930
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: well whatever U as the U has any US team

931
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: member ever placed the medal in biathlon, not the Olympics.

932
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: We're the only US sport to not have meddled at

933
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Oh yeah, how how does that hurt? Or

934
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: is that like a challenge? How many? How many more

935
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: do you got any more? How many more Olympics you get?

936
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: Any old? Are you? I'm twenty nine, I'm I'm like middle,

937
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm not old. But what's the old? What's an old?

938
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: What's the oldest person to compete? Like nine? I think

939
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: I guess you guys can squeeze more years out of it. Yeah,

940
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. I mean and during sports you're gonna

941
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: have a little bit a little bit more time. Um,

942
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: so you'll go back potentially. It's something I'm definitely thinking about.

943
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, twenty nine, like, I got all the

944
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: things I want to do in life too, So I

945
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: don't know, but you'll live to be like in your

946
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: early eighties, Yeah for sure. So, but it's a lot

947
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: of time on the road too. There's just a lot

948
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: of different things to kind of balance. But do you

949
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: think about wrapping it up? Um, I've at least two

950
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: more years. It's a matter if I want to go

951
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: two or four more years. Where's the next one going

952
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: to be in Cortina, Italy? So it would be pretty

953
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: sweet actually, And that's something I've definitely thought about because

954
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I've had my best races in on Told Italy, which

955
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: is the venue that those Olympics will be yet and

956
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like, man like go back and

957
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: um have a good thing going with the team and stuff.

958
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's definitely something I'm still thinking about. But um,

959
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: going back to the question of like does it hurt,

960
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: and I mean it's something that's always talked about any

961
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: Olympic cycle. It's like, oh man, the last sport to

962
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: not have won a medal and um, I mean there's

963
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: definitely a lot of media hype and stuff around it,

964
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: but um, it's not an easy sport to win, and

965
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I mean it's it's kind of crazy

966
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: to think about how many nations are also represented in biathlon,

967
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: um in the depth and I think you just look statistically,

968
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: it's one of the most competitive sports at the Winter Olympics,

969
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: which you think, like maybe cross country skiing or something

970
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: like that would be easier, but um, blathlon is actually

971
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: harder to get into UM for the Olympics in some

972
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: sense than cross country skiing as even though there's uh

973
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: the rifle shooting component because because you're shooting iron real quick. Yeah,

974
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: for sure, Yanni said, Uh. Janie said the not you

975
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: particularly necessarily, but he said the biathlon community is pretty

976
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: loosey goosey about gun safety. Any comment, Well that I

977
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: would say, in some ways we are, um, but like

978
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: growing up hunting, Uh, the biggest thing on the rifle

979
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: that you'd like talked about is like the safety. She'd

980
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: be like, you always gotta have your safety on. And

981
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: I was taught growing up. You know, when you're walking in,

982
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: you put that live round in. You gotta be ready

983
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: to shoot whenever. But um, my biathlon rifle does not

984
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: have a safety on it. And the biggest reason for

985
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: that is is I never have a live round in

986
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: the chamber and tell him like ready to shoot, tell

987
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: me what I'm looking at here. So it's a on

988
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: Shoots Fortner Uh, slide action rifle. It's a twenty two

989
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: long rifle. So yeah, it's a slide action. It's like

990
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: a yeah, it's like a bolt, but you don't close

991
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: the boat describe it. You don't need to go like

992
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: when you think of working a boat. This is Yeah,

993
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: there's no handle that moves up and down across the action.

994
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: It's just a handle that just pushes that slides slides

995
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: over a slight little ledge. Yep, damn. So it's it's

996
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: basically it works with ball bearings, um, and that's how

997
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: it locks into place. And then when you pull it

998
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: back those ball bearings and then come out Yep, I'm

999
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: trying to This is a complicated ass grip. So that's

1000
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: like the pistol grip there and then the ahead of yep.

1001
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: So so basically when you reload it, you pull it

1002
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: back with your index finger and then you close the

1003
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: action with your um with your thumb. I gotta do

1004
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: it left you just to get a sense for the trigger.

1005
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: It's really lights about five grams, so you'll feel the

1006
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: first stage if you pull it in super super light

1007
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: and then you hold it and then you can feel

1008
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: it get the last part. Oh so that's yeah? So

1009
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: uh that I mean there's a lot of big differences

1010
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: between like just a bosling rifle and a normal hunting

1011
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: rifle and what what what explained the site to me?

1012
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: They're all open sites. You have a rear aperture and

1013
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: then the front site. Um, basically it's just a circle

1014
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: that you line up around it. You have to put

1015
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: down out the snow. There's two on each site. There's

1016
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: snow um snowguards. Well. I mean, if it's like nuke

1017
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: and snow out there, you don't want to get all

1018
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: up in your sites and you can't see anything. So

1019
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: even by athletes used the term nu king. I mean,

1020
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you guys use No, not really,

1021
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: We're actually not that like cool in a lot of ways.

1022
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Do you ever say stoked. Yeah, for sure. I mean

1023
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: as I mean, I got a point, Stoked has gone

1024
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: very mainstream. That's been stolen away from the skiers no

1025
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: longer ours you guys lost that you guys lost from

1026
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: skateboarders in the first place. But I mean it's kind

1027
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: of cool. Like here the lingo too, because I was

1028
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: like in Beijing walking through the the village and i

1029
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: saw this Japanese snowboarder and I'm like, oh, how's the

1030
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: how's the courses here? She's like, oh man, they're like

1031
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: super sick, but like the weather is also really sick.

1032
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: And so it was like you're using like all this

1033
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: lingo and you're just like, oh, it's kind of funny.

1034
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: How like the rest of the world has adopted some

1035
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: of that that culture. What's that little burr on the

1036
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: trigger to help you with finger placement? Yeah, exactly, and

1037
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: just like being able to feel it, so I shoot

1038
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 1: with my gloves on, UM, so I'm not like messing

1039
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: around taking gloves off or anything else like that. So

1040
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: it just gives you a little bit better triggered. Funny

1041
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: little sweet spot. Yeah, So it's basically just like a

1042
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: little little pin to um. So that one, you're putting

1043
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: your your finger on the trigger the exact same spot

1044
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: every time. But then also you can get a good

1045
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: feeling for it and tell me what, um, how far

1046
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: are you shooting and how big you're trying to hit.

1047
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: The targets are all at fifty meters, so about fifty

1048
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: six yards um. Yeah, I pull up my notes, so

1049
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: I got everything right. But there's two different sized targets. Um,

1050
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the prone target, which you would shoot

1051
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: when you're lying down, and that's about one in diameter

1052
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: and it's yep, yep, it's all hit or miss um

1053
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: and there's uh let's see here. Yeah, if you it's

1054
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: like it's all or nothing. So you're prone, you're hitting

1055
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: a target that's what size about the size of golf

1056
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: ball one eight inches in diameter. Open sites, open sites,

1057
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: just I'm not yeah, I'm not diminished because like most

1058
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: people think of open size or think of like a

1059
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: buckhorn site, right yeah. And I mean there's no magnification

1060
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: a lot, so it's all just like open peep, there's

1061
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: no nope, nope um. And then yeah, so it's at

1062
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: fifty about fifty four yards um or hut. And because

1063
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: it's so because it's fixed. That's why you have such

1064
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: an elevated you don't need to worry about well, what

1065
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: of the shots at forty yards? What are the shots that? Yeah,

1066
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: it's all the same. And every day every yerio very

1067
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: specifically for fifty yea and every day before we shoot zero,

1068
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: so zero every single day. You're not like showing up

1069
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: and um, you know like pulling it out and going.

1070
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: Part of that is one if you're going from range

1071
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: to range, you don't know like what the and there's

1072
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: just like airs moving and because we shoot standard velocity, Uh,

1073
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have wind affecting where where your bullet goes.

1074
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: Um depends on elevation as well, when you might push

1075
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: more at elevation or um if you're at sea level,

1076
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: that all changes. And then also lighting can change things.

1077
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: But then lastly, um, you take your part, your rifle apart,

1078
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: you travel with it, you put it back together. Um.

1079
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: How the rifle reacts in the cold. So like on

1080
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: race day, once our rifle goes outside, like before zero

1081
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, we leave it outside because you know, if

1082
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: you bring it in and then it's getting warm and

1083
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: then you go back outside and it's getting cold. UM. So,

1084
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean it says little things like that. And at

1085
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're accuracy shooters, not precision shooters.

1086
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: So I'm sure like precision would basically be like how

1087
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: close to the center can you get? So like precision

1088
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: shooters UM in the Olympics, they'd be looking to get

1089
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: tens every single time. For me, it's like I just

1090
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: gotta hit that prone dark down. That's about it. And

1091
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: we we also have the race aspect where it's like

1092
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: you want to do it pretty quick, Like I don't

1093
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: want to be sitting there trying to shoot tens every

1094
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: single time. I just to like make sure I'm hitting

1095
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: prone targets or standing targets. And how big is a

1096
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: standing targeting targets? About four and a half inches in diameter?

1097
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: So at what range? Still fifty same thing if you

1098
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: when you go squirrel hunt and do you do you

1099
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: bring this? Do you got do you to use a

1100
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: different thing? Um? I have, But it's like it's a

1101
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: little different because I mean this is just so dialed

1102
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: in at fifty meters. UM. I mean I've shot a

1103
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: grouse with my rifle before, UM, just like I was out.

1104
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: But I mean it's just like so specific for for byathlon,

1105
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: it's like, man, yeah that if that whatever is at

1106
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: fifty meters, sweet, I'll get it. But like it's but

1107
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: you don't know where it's at at forty you know,

1108
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: I haven't really done a whole lot of um, a

1109
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: whole lot of shooting at other distances. But also because

1110
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: it's a standard velocity, amm oh, it's going to have

1111
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of an arc on it. So it's

1112
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: still all your magazines. So I mean so for during uh,

1113
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: during races, you got it. So if it's a two

1114
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: or four shooting race, you gotta reload each time. So

1115
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: each magazine holds five hounds, and um, you get up

1116
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: to five five shootings. So that that's the prone sling.

1117
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: So that prone slang uh goes into my cuff which

1118
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: is on my arm, which the guys were doing yesterday.

1119
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: They were looking pretty good with the with the cuff on. Yeah,

1120
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: it's pretty slick. It's like just basically an arm band

1121
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: on your bicep, and when you get into prone, you

1122
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: take that little hook and lock it in, and you

1123
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: lock it in you can just basically just go all

1124
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: skeletal and relax that front hand and it's you know,

1125
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: like a nice platform. Do you guys all use the

1126
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: same gun smith? Um, pretty much everybody used the same

1127
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: action and barrel, so the on shoots Fortner and then

1128
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: but there are like other guys that are like renowned

1129
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: for ranching on these biathlon guns. Partner just as like

1130
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: small little basically a farm in Germany. Um, if you

1131
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: go there, it's just like this rinky dink shop. But um,

1132
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: they basically manufacture and work on all the the rifles.

1133
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: There's there's a few other guys that do, but they're

1134
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: pretty much all based in Europe, like not a lot

1135
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: of guys in in the US. But um, yeah, is

1136
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: your community under a lot of pressure to get rid

1137
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: of lead? Not not yet, it's coming for um, yeah,

1138
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: for sure. It's something we've thought about where we're like

1139
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: because there are the Paralympians sometimes use laser rifles, but

1140
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: like laser laser rifles would kind of ruin the essence

1141
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: of blathlon. I think that's something that a lot of

1142
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: people people recognize. But I mean, the big thing that

1143
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: affected us this last year was the banning of floor carbons,

1144
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: and so we can't wax with foil carbons anymore. So

1145
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: the waxing industry has kind of been making a big change.

1146
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think lead might be that that next

1147
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: one and just trying to find something that can still

1148
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: be still be accurate and work well in blathlon. I

1149
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: gotta buy athlon question for you. Yeah, Um, in order

1150
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: to meddle, so we talked about, hasn't findled it yet?

1151
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: You should put it on with those straps. We might

1152
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: have to build another sling. I'm gonna fall in love

1153
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: with that. I wish we had more time because I

1154
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: want to shoot that thing for sure. That looks I

1155
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: think I question ahead. Uh So, I'm just curious in

1156
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: terms of meddling, because I'll be honest with you, I

1157
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: watched your event every four years, similar to how you

1158
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: probably watched my event every four years. Uh. If in

1159
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: terms of being able to be on the podium in biathlon,

1160
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: do you have to shoot perfect? That really depends. Um,

1161
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: that's a good question you I would say to be successful,

1162
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: and I would say I'll take that one. I'll feel

1163
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: that one. Let me answer this way. If I would

1164
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: want to me all as like this year, yes, I

1165
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: would have had to shoot perfect. Um. Other people maybe not,

1166
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: because they're really good on skis, you generally have to

1167
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: shoot or better. The chances of someone winning a race

1168
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: having shot under happens maybe when there's really crazy wind

1169
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: conditions and everybody's missing and then just kind of turns

1170
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: um in like sometimes the fast gears can kind of

1171
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: ski ski off the penalties. But um, yeah, generally it's

1172
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: about I would say, yeah, uh, walk through how you

1173
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: how your sport came onto your radar being not from

1174
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: a country that yeah, a country that doesn't delve. Yeah.

1175
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: Uh so, I mean, like I had said a little

1176
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: bit earlier, I actually grew up wrestling in Wisconsin. I

1177
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: had no idea what was what Bathlon even was growing up. Um, really,

1178
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't have known, No, I mean I maybe

1179
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: would have seen a picture of me like yeah, that's

1180
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: something that's like in the Olympics. But um, but yeah,

1181
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: I had not done done. I had not skied or

1182
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: anything like that. Um. In high school is when I

1183
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: started getting into cross country skiing and then went to college,

1184
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: and it was at it was in college where my

1185
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: my coach used to be a bathlete himself, and he

1186
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: knew like the opportunities and how big Bathlon was and

1187
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: my talents and He's the one who kind of started

1188
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: putting Bathlon in my head. What I was reading about you,

1189
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: um about this deal like with the weight cutting and

1190
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: wrestling that that got dangerous. It's funny because I've talked

1191
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: about on the show. I've talked about like buddies of

1192
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: mine in high school doing the you know, run around

1193
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: with garbage bags on and spitting into mountain dew bottles

1194
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: all day and sucking on marbles or whatever the hell

1195
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: they're doing all the time to try to like work

1196
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: it up. You went down that. You went down that

1197
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: rabbit hole pretty good. Um. In some ways, Yeah, it

1198
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: was kind of weird because like when I was in

1199
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: middle school, I was always like super against it, um,

1200
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: like the cutting weight culture. But it was mostly because

1201
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a reason to at that time.

1202
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have a specific uh weight classes I was

1203
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: trying to make. I was just like wrestling other guys

1204
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: around my same weight, and most of the time my

1205
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: dad was in in the rooms trying to put me

1206
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: in heavier weight classes anyways, just to like get me

1207
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: to so some like heavier guys. Um. But in middle school,

1208
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean I never really felt like much of an athlete.

1209
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: Growing up, UM, I was really good at the sports

1210
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: that were big in my hometown football, baseball, basketball, and

1211
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: so in eighth grade, actually saw an opportunity for myself

1212
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: to like maybe be distinguished against amongst my peers by

1213
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: getting my name on a weightlifting board. And so that's

1214
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: when I had like my first reason to really um

1215
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: cut weight. And so I did and got my name

1216
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: on the board and stuff. But then I thought, oh,

1217
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be be careful and like I can keep

1218
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: my weight down for the upcoming season. I can try

1219
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: and uh be prepared for the fall. I don't want

1220
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: to like getin extra weight and stuff like that. And

1221
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: it just kind of turned into this uh being disorder.

1222
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah that I was just thought I was being healthy

1223
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: to try and make right decisions. But you know, I

1224
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: was a young kid. I didn't know what I was doing,

1225
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: and eventually I just kind of developed this addiction UM

1226
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: and struggled with that for for a while heading into

1227
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: my freshman based around competing UM. I mean at the

1228
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: beginning maybe, but not really towards the end. UM. At

1229
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: that point it just became like I thought I was

1230
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: like being healthy, but really I was just like I

1231
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: was being super unhealthy. Um. I took a lot of

1232
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: things and that I learned from like health class and

1233
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: you know media that was telling me. Um. But I

1234
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: was like thirteen fourteen at the time, I couldn't really know.

1235
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really know much of the difference. Um. Now,

1236
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: when you look at now that you're you know that

1237
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: you train at such a high level and obviously have

1238
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: access to legitimate professionals, do you look back and be

1239
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: like what in the world? Oh yeah, for sure, Like

1240
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: I look back, I'm like, man, why was I doing that?

1241
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: And like it's really hard to think about because like

1242
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: at that time, you're, um, you're not thinking straight. I mean,

1243
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: like with most addictions, you're just really struggling through something.

1244
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: It was a new teens. Yeah, when I was like

1245
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: uh so, I mean it was between my eighth grade

1246
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: and freshman year of high school. Um, and I mean

1247
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: I struggled with it for um about a year year

1248
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: and a half and so um yeah, during that time,

1249
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: it was it was it was definitely difficult time because,

1250
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: um my my dad really struggled to understand it. Um.

1251
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean he was just like, why is my kids

1252
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: so much different than like every other guy? Um, just

1253
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: not eating food and stuff, and my dad ended up

1254
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: dying in a car accident that that winter that I

1255
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: was struggling with it as well. On what age were

1256
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: you then? I was fourteen at that time, so um

1257
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: and then so how so all of a sudden, like

1258
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: someone just called me on the phone or whatever there, Um,

1259
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: I was actually at school and my brother and I

1260
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: got called down to the uh to the office and

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01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh, what's going on? Like why is

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: my brother here? And then um, they ended up taking

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01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: us over to the middle school because that's where my

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01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: sister was and my mom told us and I didn't

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01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: tell you why you're going to the middle school? No,

1266
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: not not at first, and they just like my mom

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: wanted us to wanted to tell us at school because

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Speaker 1: she's like I don't want them to associate that sort

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: of news like in our house. But how what did

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01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: they Why did they tell you're going to the middle school?

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: They didn't. They were just like your mom's over there,

1272
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: and you know, at that point, we're just like, what's

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: going on? This is kind of weird, And UM, I

1274
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: don't think that they it was mean, Yeah, it's a

1275
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: hard situation. You know, you don't want to tell your kids, like, hey,

1276
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: you gotta go over to the middle school because your

1277
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: mom has some hard news for you. It's like, um,

1278
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: but yeah it was. It was a tough time, but um,

1279
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: thankfully I that uh that summer, I still was like struggling,

1280
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: and um finally went to treatment at Rogers Memore Hospital

1281
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and um got my got my life back there.

1282
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: And UM when I when I first went in, I

1283
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: like never thought I was going to compete again as

1284
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: an athlete one because I thought high school sports was

1285
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: kind of like the end all be all of sports.

1286
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: You know, only if you were like really good would

1287
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: you go to college and profession For both people, it's

1288
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: the like exactly, And like my relationship with high school

1289
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: sports at that point was like not good. I was

1290
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: just miserable. I wasn't really good. I was, um just

1291
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: doing it for the wrong reasons. Um. And it was

1292
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: after that that I actually got introduced to cross country

1293
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: skiing and just was like on the weekends going out

1294
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: and to be honest, like getting out of a gym

1295
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 1: full of yelling parents and being out in the woods

1296
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: by myself was was a great change. And just like

1297
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: I got really passionate about the sport, and people like, hey,

1298
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: pretty good, you should try some races. And by the

1299
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: time I was a senior in high school, I was

1300
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: like racing, um, traveling around the Midwest. Uh, qualified for

1301
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: junior nationals and then I was like, I'm gonna go

1302
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: to college and give this thing a go. But no

1303
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: guns yet. No, that wasn't until about my junior year

1304
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: of college. Um, someone's like, hey you should I mean

1305
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: with you yeah, And so I graduate high school in

1306
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, and that's when the Vancouver Olympics

1307
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: were going on, and so I like I saw some blathlon.

1308
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that looks like super cool, but like,

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start to get into

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: that because it's like I didn't even know where the

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01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: nearest like blathlon range was. I didn't know anything about

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: the sport. Did you go up to like Hayward, Um?

1313
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: So I yeah, I actually lived in Hayward for a

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01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: couple of years. Um when I first started blathlon. Um,

1315
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: I had some friends who who had a cabin and like,

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01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: I was just broke at that time, living on my car,

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01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: and so for like two three years of my black

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: line career, I didn't pay any rent, but was just

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01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: like living in where I could and I was kind

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01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: of doing some rocky train at one point, just like

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01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: living in this cabin and Hayward and um, well you

1322
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: mean like when he has to fight the Russian guy. Yeah,

1323
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm just like I had like my

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: own blathlon target that I bought from and yeah, in

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: some ways, I set up my my target on the

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: side of the ode and that was just like roller

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01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: skiing and shooting off the road and it was a

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: good time. I love Hayward. It's it's a great spot roll. Yeah,

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01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: that's basically just skiing on roads. But it's it's like

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01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: skis are they're a little longer than rollerblades and the

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: wheels are a lot slower too. Um because if I

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: saw a guy coming down the road with roller blades

1333
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: in the gun, I get a way different idea in

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, the skis with the gun they perfectly

1335
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: make those wheels slow so that there's more friction and

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: more because if you think about how fast cross country

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01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: skiing is, like you don't want to be out there

1338
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: just like going. I mean, inline blades are fast, so

1339
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: are our wheels are a lot softer? Rubber um and

1340
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: we use the same same boots that we use on

1341
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: skis um in the winter and stuff. And then yeah,

1342
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: so it's it's to simulate skiing. Oh you know, speaking

1343
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: of the wrestling, you know you might want to fight

1344
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: his chester here. Yeah, he wrestled. I don't want to fight. Yeah,

1345
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of behind me now. Uh, it takes a

1346
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to piss me off. So what

1347
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: age was it that you first, like, uh like actually

1348
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: did a buyath lot event. I mean that it doesn't

1349
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: need to be the high level, but you went to

1350
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: an event and competed. So my first bath On race

1351
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: was actually over in Minnesota and Elk River, and there

1352
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: was this guy gave me this like old Bathlon rifle

1353
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: day before it like basically this is how you are

1354
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: position before, yeah, day before, and he's like, all right,

1355
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: go out and send it. And then that's what I did.

1356
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: And that was when I was probably looked through this hole.

1357
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: Yes you put that on that little thing, and shoot,

1358
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 1: did you do well that first? Um? I can't even remember. Honestly,

1359
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: I know I didn't hit a lot of targets, but uh,

1360
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever dirty. So that was like

1361
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: a success for me at that point. The dirty dirty

1362
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: in is when you miss all five targets. And so

1363
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: when you when you hit all five targets, that's when

1364
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: it's that we would call that a clean So dirty

1365
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: is not good in high in are you you're holding

1366
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,480
Speaker 1: off target? It depends depends how what your strategy is. So, uh,

1367
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: if you adjust your sites, we call that like clicking,

1368
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: so you'll do that. Yeah, So it's like the there's

1369
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: wind flags on the range and so um, depending upon

1370
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: what the wind flags are doing, you might click. Do

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: you guys use the m A or do you use

1372
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: or Emerald? Like what system do you use? Uh? Just

1373
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: looking at the wind flags and you don't know what

1374
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like when you click, I think, yeah, it's

1375
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: just like I mean, so all I know is like

1376
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: on my rifle the site when I So if I

1377
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: come in and the wind flags are like straight out,

1378
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: I may have to go four clicks, which is about

1379
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: four bullet holes um of adjustment. So if I'm shooting

1380
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: center and I take four clicks, I'm like on the

1381
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: edge or just outside of the prone ring. So it

1382
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: can't be make a difference, similar to making adjustments on

1383
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 1: your archery set up. Yeah, yeah, you're not thinking. Yeah,

1384
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: you're just I mean you have the little lines on

1385
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: your site that you're like, okay, I've moved it that far.

1386
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: Each click is a certain amount. Yeah. Uh and that

1387
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,919
Speaker 1: was what age again when you first did your first

1388
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: But at what a what age were you a headed

1389
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: for the Olympics? Like I'm trying to figure out, like

1390
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: how many years? Yeah, is when I graduated college and

1391
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: went full time blathlon um and unfortunately, like just missed

1392
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: out in pyong Chang Olympic trials. I got sick and

1393
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: was like the first alternate, so um didn't go there.

1394
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: But I would say those three years were pretty tough.

1395
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: But um, the biggest thing with that is like the

1396
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: skiing aspect of the sport, like you have to be

1397
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: a fast gear and thankfully, um, like through college I

1398
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: really worked on all my skiing development and stuff, and

1399
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: so at that point it was really just about learning

1400
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: how to shoot um, which to learn how to shoot

1401
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: a blathlon rifle well probably takes about one and a

1402
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: half years to two years of like failing pretty miserably

1403
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: at times, and then you're like, oh, I think I

1404
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: got this, and then the next day, it's like, man,

1405
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: I can't hit anything, and so there's a lot of

1406
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: ups and downs. But it's just it takes a lot

1407
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: of persistence and you have to be willing to to

1408
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: not do well for a little while if you right

1409
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: now went in, Like what event in the Olympics most

1410
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: closely mirrors the actual skiing part of what you do

1411
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: in terms of equipment and course and all that. A

1412
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: cross country skiing is like basically the same. So the

1413
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: skis aren't any difference. I mean, like, yeah, but athletes

1414
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: are about as close to a cross country skiers you

1415
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: can probably get like any other sport. I don't know

1416
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: if you guys had if your gear was more tweaked out,

1417
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: for certain, So how would you do? Would you just

1418
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: get smoked in a cross country skiing event? Um, depends

1419
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: your definition of smoked, like what you can hold your own? Yeah,

1420
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean talking about like how competitive bathon

1421
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: is in the Olympics. There was actually a few guys

1422
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: from some nations, um, including one guy from Latvia that

1423
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 1: I know. Um, he actually went to cross country skiing

1424
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: because he it was easier for him to qualify for

1425
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Across country skiing than bath So you guys

1426
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: are high test skiers. Yeah for sure. Well I'm trying

1427
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: to sort out the like the and the things and

1428
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: the ski and things, but the skiing is it's top

1429
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: not skiers, Yeah for sure. Is there any crossover? Is there?

1430
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: Are there any athletes to do both? Yeah? I mean

1431
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: you definitely can have the Olympics, like at the Olympics,

1432
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: not anymore because it's just like really specialized. Bathron does

1433
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: have a little bit different type of skiing. So like

1434
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: our longest race is gonna be twenty k, which is

1435
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: like thirteen miles or something like that, Whereas when you

1436
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: have if you're a cross country skier, your longest race

1437
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna be fift k, so you're gonna change train a

1438
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: little bit different. But we also have like seven eight

1439
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: pound rifle on our back, so um, and we're doing loops,

1440
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: so there are a little bit of differences. Um. But

1441
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: like it isn't unheard of for for us to like

1442
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: jump into a cross country ski race at times, um,

1443
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: like in the off season and stuff like that. So

1444
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: how if if it's the twenty k race, how long

1445
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: would it take you if someone just said, like, uh,

1446
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: put your gun on your back and just go ski though, uh,

1447
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: depenning ponds, snow conditions, I'd say round forty five minutes

1448
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: and then and then on average in that twenty k event,

1449
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: how many shots I know it's between one and five

1450
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: for every target, depending on how let's say, like perfect

1451
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: conditions you're shooting great, how many shots you gonna touch off? Um? Ideally,

1452
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: so in a twenty k race, you're gonna have four shootings,

1453
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have twenty shots. Um. The best I've

1454
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: gotten his nineteen so nineteen twenty. And I understand you hit,

1455
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: you hit one target, you hit, you hit targets of

1456
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: one bullet, no leased one shooting steel, but you didn't

1457
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: keeping to hit it. Noo. There's five targets. There's you

1458
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: have five shots and you shoot each one one time.

1459
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: So I'll explain it. So you had five shots, you

1460
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 1: had five chances to hit it. You should just break

1461
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: it down from start. Yeah. So so so with the range,

1462
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: So the range is set up with the targets are

1463
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: a fifty meters and each point, which would be like

1464
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: each shooting lane has five targets, and so every time

1465
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: you come in, you're taking five shots at those targets.

1466
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: If you hit the target, it goes from black and

1467
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: turns to white, so you know you hit it, and

1468
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: if you miss it, it just stays black. So you

1469
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: could get up there and with all five your shots

1470
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: on one target. Yep. But okay, I see, and that's

1471
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: what we call dirty. So it's like the way you're

1472
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 1: you're dumping when you stop, you're dumping five rounds, yep, exactly.

1473
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: And so so say I come in and I hit

1474
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: four of those five shots, that one shot that I missed,

1475
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: I get penalized. And so in the twenty k race,

1476
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: which is the individual, you get one minute added onto

1477
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: your time. So say I finished the race in forty

1478
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: four minutes, I'm gonna there's one minute added on, so

1479
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: my race time is then forty five minutes. So so say,

1480
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: and then with a twenty k race, there's two prone

1481
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: shootings and two standing shootings, so you have twenty shots

1482
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: total and five shots at each shooting. Man, I really

1483
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: feel like you should commit yourself to try to do

1484
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: one more Olympics. Man, that's what I was gonna say. This.

1485
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: This story has got so much grit. Yeah, because then

1486
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: when they make a movie about it, like you'd be

1487
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: like one of the Jamaican dudes won the or didn't

1488
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: win a cool runnings. Yeah, they didn't win the Olympics.

1489
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: They just went to it. Maybe be more like a

1490
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: miracle one. Yeah, but yeah, because you could beat the

1491
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: Russians yea, and everybody doesn't like them again. Yeah, if

1492
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: they're still in the Olympics, we'll see. So, uh, I

1493
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: think you should go one more time. Like I said,

1494
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: it's not entirely up to what you decide the right,

1495
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: like you gotta like earn your spot again. Oh for sure.

1496
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I mean, that's the reason why

1497
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm giving it some serious thought right now, because if

1498
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm going another four years, I'm all in. I gotta

1499
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: be prepared and like, uh, I mean, these things don't

1500
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: happen overnight, and so you gotta gotta be committed to

1501
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: that long term vision. And like, so you're here in deciding.

1502
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: It's not like do I want to go to the

1503
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: Olympics again, it's do I want to spend the next

1504
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: four years entirely committed to this one thing? Yeah. So

1505
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: like for me, um, since like April thirty of last year,

1506
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: I've been home for like less than thirty days because

1507
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: I'm on the road all the time training and racing.

1508
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: So like, yep, your kids. Now, I've long been married

1509
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 1: about three and a half years. Now, what a story

1510
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: with that? How did you meet her? I met her

1511
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: at the bike shop that I worked at in Duluth,

1512
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota during college, and she was working there before she

1513
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 1: went to med school, and meet just hit it off. Yeah,

1514
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: that's good. But like I left November ten of this

1515
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: last year, and I was in Europe until I went

1516
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: to Beijing, so through Christmas, and then I came home

1517
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 1: for one week and then after that week, I've been

1518
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: now back on the road since um for about four

1519
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: or five weeks. And so I mean, just all in all,

1520
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,879
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time on the road. Any endorsement

1521
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: deals in your world, yep, yeah for sure. So I

1522
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: worked with Rainbody Fuel Errands out of Wisconsin, J. J.

1523
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: Keller Foundation and Rogers Moore Hospitals. Yeah. So you don't

1524
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: have you don't need to have a day job. This

1525
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: is my day job. If I had another day job,

1526
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: I would You can't make it work with Blathlon. It's

1527
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's it's full time training. Because as

1528
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: we said, you have to be at a super high

1529
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: level ski ski wise, and in order to do that,

1530
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 1: you have to train on skis probably seven or fifty

1531
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: hours to a year, and then you have to add

1532
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: in the shooting component. But then I mean in order

1533
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: to train well, you have to also recover well. And

1534
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: so I mean if I'm like at a job trying

1535
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: to figure it out, also, I'm just down the road

1536
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: all the time, and I mean, this is this is

1537
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: my job. But people in curling they have to have

1538
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: day jobs. Yeah, yeah, that's a different thing. Yeah, and

1539
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I could. Yeah, but that's what makes blathlon so difficult

1540
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: is it's like such a demanding sport and the level

1541
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: of the sport has only gotten higher. I mean, the

1542
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: field itself is just getting closer and closer, and then

1543
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: uh like the ski ski times are just getting faster

1544
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: and faster. Um. And part of that really came from

1545
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: ole ear Bjorne Dollin out of Norway. He just took

1546
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: it to a whole another level. And I think we

1547
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: see this with a lot of sports, where like one

1548
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: guy takes things super super seriously, and when he does that,

1549
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: everyone else is like, man, I have to also just

1550
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: like commit my life to this. If I want to

1551
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: have any sort of success um, And I mean it's

1552
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: probably the same with hunting. In the hunting world, you know,

1553
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: one guy is like super dialed in and everyone else

1554
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: is like, man if I want to like compete on

1555
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: in some ways, like on that, like you gotta you

1556
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 1: gotta be dialed in? David? Uh? Do you go by

1557
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: David Weisser? Wise? It happens a lot to the point

1558
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: where I've just given up on correcting it. I'm like,

1559
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: if you want to call me wise, call me wise.

1560
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: Did you guys bump into each other the Olympics? No,

1561
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: not this time around. No, but you're in Jean Jaco, right, Yeah,

1562
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: so we were in the same village, but there's a

1563
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 1: lot of people there. Did you know each other before today?

1564
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: Now we just met. Oh so you might have bumped

1565
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: into each other not knowing it. Yeah, we might have

1566
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: walked past each other in the village and not even

1567
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: know possible. Huh uh? Do you do you are you?

1568
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Do you like hang out with other disciplines? Are you

1569
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: like so into the moment that you just focus on

1570
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 1: what you're doing? Oh? No, That's one of my favorite

1571
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: parts about the Olympics is going and hanging out with

1572
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: people who do other crazy things, So there's like a

1573
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: social component to be in there totally. I mean you

1574
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: try to find the balance for sure, because I've seen

1575
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: some folks go over to the Olympics and fall a

1576
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: little too heavily into the social component, seriously, and then

1577
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: they get to their event and they're like, oh crap,

1578
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: I haven't actually prepared for this at all, really like

1579
01:26:53,840 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: oh hung over. And it depends what sport you're in. Now,

1580
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: you grew up in the outdoors, Yeah, did you feel that,

1581
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, the tension right, the

1582
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: tension that I'm having to my family between between traditional

1583
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: hook and bullet activities in in ski? Did you feel

1584
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: that there was a compromise you had to make a

1585
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: little bit? Yeah, I would say, did your old man

1586
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: fall on this whole thing? Well? I think for the

1587
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: most part they complimented each other because tell me more

1588
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: being well, I guess the best, simplest, shortest way I

1589
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: can describe it to you is that really good strong

1590
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: skiers can carry a really heavy pack. So if you're

1591
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: trying to rig your your children up to be good

1592
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: packout buddies, keep them on the skiing program because the

1593
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: training that I did, they wouldn't be able to go

1594
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: help well. They would in the archery season because I

1595
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: heard when you get real serious, you start spending a

1596
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: half of your year in New Zealand. Yeah, did you

1597
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 1: ever do that? I did one that in one season,

1598
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and I just realized. I mean, for me, it's all

1599
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: about balance. And part of why skiing complimented why hunting

1600
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: complimented skiing so well, is that I could kind of

1601
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: put the skis on the shelf for a while and

1602
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: really focus on something else. I was passionate, and then

1603
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: I would hang the bow up on the wall and

1604
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: and really be passionate about skiing again. But I wasn't

1605
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: all one thing all the time, because I think, you know,

1606
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: talking about how I over pressured myself as a young athlete,

1607
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: that was a huge part of it. Was like I

1608
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: was waking up every single morning and just dedicating my

1609
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: entire day to being the greatest skier I could possibly be,

1610
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: and to the point where I became too focused and

1611
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: I was over pressuring myself. And so having those alternate

1612
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: passions has always been really good for me competitively. I

1613
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: don't know if it's good for everybody there. There are

1614
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: certainly some athletes that I know who live their sport

1615
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: every day, day in, day out, and they do it well.

1616
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: But for me, having those balancing passions was always good.

1617
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: So it's even and like, um, like you view it

1618
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: as strategy. Oh absolutely, like actually been not just like, hey,

1619
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: I it would be better if I just did this

1620
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: one thing, but I can't. You're like, it's it's good

1621
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: to have a split. It's great to have a split

1622
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: because I mean think about for me, I think about

1623
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: all the mistakes that I've made in bow hunting and

1624
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: how much that's translated to making mistakes at skiing. Because

1625
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: if you if you really beat yourself up about missing

1626
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: a stock bow hunting, you're gonna be miserable because you know,

1627
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: five minutes later you're gonna make another mistake and learn

1628
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: another lesson. Five minutes later, gonna make another mistake and

1629
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: learn another lesson. And like life is like that, we're

1630
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: constantly it's trial and error. You're constantly trying to do

1631
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: new things, you're trying to do something innovative, and you're

1632
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: not always going to succeed. So the bow hunting crossover

1633
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: has been very mentally like just beneficial for me, and

1634
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean just in my soul too. I need that

1635
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: time in the wilderness. I'm I'm naturally an introvert, like

1636
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I really like to read a lot, I like to

1637
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: just be I like to be alone quite a bit.

1638
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: And so I mean there's two to three weeks in

1639
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the fall where I just turned my phone off and

1640
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: go off with my bow on my backpack and hike

1641
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: into the wilderness and and just completely detached. And that

1642
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: sets me up well for traveling all around all around

1643
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: the world, competing every other weekend all this other stuff,

1644
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: because I can get to like a spiritual medium. Is

1645
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 1: it like a little is there like a little ritual

1646
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: when you like go and hang up your your bow

1647
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: and pick up your skis is it like today is

1648
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: the day? Yeah? I always kind of laugh because I

1649
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, I always have these high goals.

1650
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot my bow in the off season more

1651
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: than I did last year. But pretty much every time,

1652
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's like mid to late November, I hang

1653
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 1: the bow up on the rack and I'm like, that's

1654
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: probably the last time I don't touch that thing until spring. Yeah.

1655
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: Then you just started on it. Yeah Yeah, what uh?

1656
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Walk through how you like sort of your you know,

1657
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: at at whatever point, like how you progress up to

1658
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: the point where you're in the Olympics. Yeah. Well, like

1659
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 1: I said, it's a it's a young sport. I started

1660
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: competing really young. I transitioned over from alpine racing. My

1661
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: dad was he raised in college and um wanted me

1662
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: to be a racer. My older sisters, who are twins

1663
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: four years older than me. You did what your dad

1664
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: said you should do at the beginning. Yeah, it's good.

1665
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: And then but I always wanted to jump even when

1666
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I was even when I was like neck deep in racing,

1667
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I would skip race practice and go ski the train park.

1668
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: So I think that everybody kind of knew at an

1669
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: early age this kid's gonna transition to free skiing at

1670
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: some point. Um. So I switched over and competed in

1671
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: moguls and aerials and all the traditional uh freestyle events

1672
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: early on, But that was when terrain park skiing, so

1673
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: half pipe, slope style and big air we're kind of

1674
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: coming into the scene because you know, most people don't

1675
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: even know even to this day, a lot of people

1676
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: don't even know that we have skiing half pipe in

1677
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: the Olympics and I'm like, dude, we've done it three

1678
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: times now. But um, it started with snowboarding. Snowboarders created

1679
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: the train parks, like they took things from skateboarding and

1680
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, half pipe would be cool snow and

1681
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: so when I was eleven, twelve, thirteen, that's when free

1682
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 1: skiing was becoming big and growing up, I was always

1683
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: wanted to be a snowboarder because those are the guys

1684
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: I saw it doing flips and spins because they were yeah,

1685
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: they were the rebels. I wanted to be a rebel.

1686
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: I always was, so uh yeah. I just at the

1687
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: point where I probably would have transitioned to snowboarding was

1688
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: when free skiing was getting cool and I was like,

1689
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: I already know how to ski. I'm just gonna do this,

1690
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: and started traveling and just chipping away at it. I

1691
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: went to my first Junior Olympics when which was would

1692
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: be Junior Nationals the College Junior Olympics back then Junior

1693
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: Nationals when I was thirteen and won an event that

1694
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I just was surprised I even won, and um kind

1695
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: of just chipped away at it from there. Like I said,

1696
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: in the early years, I was really bad at competing,

1697
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: but I would always get one or two wins per

1698
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: season to kind of keep me in it. I never

1699
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: had like a full season of failure. I always won

1700
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the last couple events of the year because I finally

1701
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: just found my zone or found the swing of things.

1702
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 1: It wasn't actually until uh twenty eleven. Uh So in eleven,

1703
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: I got married, had a little girl, and all of

1704
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: a sudden my world changed, and it was that it

1705
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: was actually that detached, super young. Yeah, my daughter was

1706
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: one of one. Yeah wild times so but how so,

1707
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: how did your daughter know she's ten? Okay, yeah, I

1708
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: had Seriously, it feels that way sometimes when she's getting

1709
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: salty with me. But I just so, what was cool

1710
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: about parenthood for me is everybody thought my career was over.

1711
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, Dave went different route. He got married young,

1712
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: he had kids young. It depends on who you're talking to.

1713
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: Phenomenal look with Dave's okay, that's good. Yeah, Dave's good

1714
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: for me. Whenever people get uh whatever, one of my

1715
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 1: buddies is going to have a kid, I always say, dude,

1716
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: name him Dave. I really appreciate that. The odds are

1717
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: they're gonna be all right, all right. I went from

1718
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: over focusing, over pressuring myself, wanted to be the greatest

1719
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 1: skier of all time and never performing well in competitions,

1720
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: to this whole new aspect of life where I kind

1721
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: of realized, this whole game I play on a pair

1722
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: of skeys doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter as much

1723
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: as I thought it did. And what really matters mean

1724
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: matters like in a in a sort of global existential way,

1725
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: like like in a in a an eternal way, you know,

1726
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: like what really matters. And I've realized what really matters

1727
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: is how I treat my wife, how I love my

1728
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: daughter and now son, And all of a sudden, the

1729
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: pressure was off for skiing, and I started seeing it

1730
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: as an opportunity rather than a necessity. Before my daughter

1731
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: was born, skiing was something I had to be good

1732
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: at because that was what my identity was. I wanted

1733
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: to identify as a great skier. And then when I

1734
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,759
Speaker 1: just decided to identify as Dave, the human whose husband

1735
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: and father, skiing became like something I did more nonchalant, nonchalantly,

1736
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: and uh, that's when my string of success started. I

1737
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: just started cruising. I was enjoying it. You know, I

1738
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: got a friend of ours Mo. He expressed something similar

1739
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: to me that once his once he had his, all

1740
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: he ever did is work right, and then once he

1741
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: had he got married and had a kid, he felt

1742
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: more like um, like when he went to work, he

1743
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: stepped into a role and it just changed changed for him.

1744
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: I got better, But he said, he started thinking of

1745
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: like putting on the hat, like put in your top

1746
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: hat and grabbing your briefcase and like going and doing

1747
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: that thing. And then at a point in the day

1748
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: you stopped doing that thing, and it gave him like

1749
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: clarity into what it was like, into what his job was.

1750
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't just that that was Mo, right, It was like,

1751
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 1: well there's Mo, but he does this thing, yeah, you know,

1752
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: and and it was helpful to him. I think for

1753
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: me it comes down to quality over quantity, because uh,

1754
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: before NAILI, my daughter was born, Um, it was all

1755
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 1: qual quantity of skiing, like quantity in the gym, quantity

1756
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: just thinking about skiing all the time, and there wasn't

1757
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot of quality there. I wasn't as I

1758
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: wasn't as focused training for skiing as I had to be.

1759
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: When I had to wear the two different hats. I

1760
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: would come home from training at the gym or whatever,

1761
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: and I would take the skier hat off and put

1762
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: on the husband and father hat. And actually being able

1763
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: to focus on those two different things was really good

1764
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: for me, because, Yeah, my quality went way up even

1765
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: though the quantity went down. Do you uh what about uh?

1766
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: If you like, if you're introvert, you like things to

1767
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: be quiet and like to be by yourself, but you

1768
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: gotta have also like an obligation to be out there

1769
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: right in the public eye, Like you can't just be

1770
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: that no one ever hears a peep out of you,

1771
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you turn up at

1772
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Right, you need to be like a yeah,

1773
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 1: especially like a personality, right, especially around the Olympics, because

1774
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're in a niche sport like Paul and I

1775
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: are we we you don't get a lot of attention

1776
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: except in Olympic years. So it's kind of daunting how

1777
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: much attention you do get in those years because you're like, Wow,

1778
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: I have twelve interviews scheduled this week. Last year I

1779
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: had zero. And because they want you to market, they

1780
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: want you to market the competition. Yeah, they want you

1781
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: to market the Olympics, and you want to market your sponsors.

1782
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Your sponsors want you to market them, you want to

1783
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: market yourself. There's so much that goes on. It's it's

1784
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: a very focused time of doing a lot of media

1785
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And actually that's where my like

1786
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: deep addiction with hunting kind of came into the picture.

1787
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: Was after I won gold in I was stressed out

1788
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: and overwhelmed by all the attention the introvert and me

1789
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: was just like, dude, you gotta stop. In what form

1790
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: did the attention come? Interviews going to like going to

1791
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: weird stuff like doing a lot of interviews, like I

1792
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: got to go on Ellen, the Ellen Degenerous show, like

1793
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: things that are totally outside of a professional Yeah, did

1794
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: you guys get into that? Now? We didn't. They very

1795
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: very staunch, like, hey, I got a question for you.

1796
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have had the time. Those

1797
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: those shows are produced down to the second. It's crazy.

1798
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was just overwhelmed, Like I went to

1799
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: Oscar parties, like they treat you for a couple of weeks,

1800
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: especially when you win gold, they treat you for a

1801
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,520
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, like an A list celebrity, the Hollywood

1802
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: or the media or the people of the United States

1803
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: from you. And so you got a manager comes in

1804
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: and they like, are you fielding the inquiries? Hopefully your

1805
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: agent or somebody else's because if you were feeling all

1806
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: the inquiries, that would just drive you into the ground.

1807
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: So you're like, no, no, no, yeah, I'll do that.

1808
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: And there's and I guess, especially because I was young,

1809
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm gonna do it all. I'm

1810
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna do everything because my I know, my windows is

1811
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: tight here, so I have to do all these things.

1812
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: They all seem like great opportunities. And I just wore

1813
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 1: myself out. What do your wife think about all that?

1814
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: She you don't have to ask her, but I think

1815
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: she was pretty worn out too. She didn't like all that.

1816
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she she was riding the wave along with me.

1817
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: She went to the Oscar parties with me. She went

1818
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 1: to do this stuff Oscar parties. Yeah, it was, it

1819
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: was wild. It was a wild time. I said note

1820
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: to all those things the second time because I I

1821
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: felt like I just played, just played my last interview.

1822
01:39:54,240 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: When you come back, you remember hell, I mean, yeah,

1823
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: I guess, but I totally simplized with him where it's

1824
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: like people come out of the woodwork and they're like, man,

1825
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: you haven't cared about me for like the last two years.

1826
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: They come up, they care about you for about three

1827
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: or four weeks around the Olympics, and then they just

1828
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: like drop off faces and they do a good They

1829
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: do a really good job speaking to my old young

1830
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: self after I won Golden They do a really good

1831
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: job of making you feel like they actually care about you.

1832
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: And so it's really hard to say no to a

1833
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of things because you're like, oh, no, this person

1834
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: really cares. They did their research, they know all about

1835
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: my back story. And the reality is, yeah, you kind

1836
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: of have to go in knowing this person doesn't really

1837
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: care about me. They only care about what they can

1838
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: get from me in this moment. So anyways, back to

1839
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: my long winded story telling, we care about you, guys.

1840
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Yeah, you know what I want you

1841
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: to come. We need to do the math and find

1842
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: out what day is the most far away from the

1843
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Olympics and you guys come back that day. Okay, So

1844
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: back to the bow hunting thing. Uh Remy saw who's

1845
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: a lifelong friends saw that I you guys are both

1846
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: from the same state, and uh, he saw that I

1847
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: was stressed out and he's like, here's a bow. Just

1848
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: just I think this will be good for you. And

1849
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: like the meditative aspect of shooting I really fell in

1850
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: love with because I was just a recreational hunter. I

1851
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: would hunt, especially living in Nevada. Basically I would just

1852
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: hunt when I drew tags on the rifle side of things.

1853
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: And then I got I just fell in love with

1854
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: the sport of archery and it was it was really

1855
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: grounding for me during that crazy time. And then I

1856
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, now I could shoot, I might

1857
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 1: as well hunt. And the seasons fit better, everything fits better.

1858
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because archery season in Nevada arts

1859
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:48,759
Speaker 1: eight August first, like nine degrees. It's so it fits perfectly.

1860
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: So that's why you know, skiing doesn't really detract from hunting,

1861
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: and hunting doesn't really detract from skiing for me. There

1862
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 1: are certain tags that I can't put in for yet

1863
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 1: because I'm still competing, but they definitely compliment. Yeah, the

1864
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: mule deer ruts out. Yeah, I've never shot a running

1865
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: running butt with my belt. Maybe you'll have to get

1866
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: it in you got to get it in wh it

1867
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: get is good? Yeah? Uh so you put in for

1868
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: tags the over the place. Now, yeah, each year I

1869
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: put in for a new state along with all the

1870
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: other ones. I'm sure you guys have have experienced that progression.

1871
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: So you call it hunting fool and be like, listen, man,

1872
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: I can only hunt in August, September, early October. Yeah,

1873
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: where can I go? And what do they? Yeah? Where

1874
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: do you live now? Still in in Reno, just outside

1875
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: Reno and Verde. How far from where you grew up?

1876
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes? Huh m? Your folks still there? Are they

1877
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 1: all proud of you? National National state? David? There's yeah,

1878
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: the community, the Reno Tahoe community is very proud of

1879
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: me after I won. Uh. The governor at the time

1880
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: declared David Wise Day. Soy February just remember that it's

1881
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: David Wisday. Do something cool? Is it hard for you

1882
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: to go out around town? No? No, it's I mean, yeah,

1883
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: there are people come up for autographs and photos, but

1884
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: it's not like that doesn't hurt my feelings? Did you

1885
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: like because you have the mask on? I mean, let

1886
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: me be honest. The level of fame that we're talking

1887
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 1: about for me versus the level of fame for somebody

1888
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: very famous is in your town? Yeah, well in my

1889
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 1: Even in my town, it's like it's like once a week.

1890
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: It's not like every single meal I go out for

1891
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 1: And we kind of live off in the woods, like

1892
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: we eat. We eat at home most of the time,

1893
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: mostly cooking wild games, so it's we don't we don't

1894
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 1: eat out very much. So maybe every time I go

1895
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 1: and eat out, somebody comes up to me. You do

1896
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,560
Speaker 1: all your best work with the helmet and goggles. Yeah, exactly.

1897
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm recognizable. I have. The funniest experience

1898
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 1: that I have is usually when getting my oil changed

1899
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: or you know, at the sandwich shop. People will just

1900
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: stare at me with that like where do I know

1901
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: you know? They don't even know that, they're like, I

1902
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: know you and they'll say that though they're like did

1903
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 1: we grow up together? Did we go to school together

1904
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: in elementary school? Where do I know you from? And

1905
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: that's just kind of funny for me. Uh, do you

1906
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: cook in your house? Yeah? Did your wife cook? She

1907
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: cooks mostly she does. Yeah, there's kind of a running

1908
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: she'll cook with wild game. She she will, She'll tolerate hunting.

1909
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: She like I put her in for tags, for rifle tags.

1910
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, baby, drew this tag, let's go.

1911
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: But but it's not her passion. But she loves cooking.

1912
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: She's a great cook, and she prefers that you guys

1913
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: eat game meat. Oh. Absolutely, when you went over to

1914
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: the Olympics, did you did you bring some game meat?

1915
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I mean, I do it everywhere else,

1916
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: but I was like, I probably don't want to get

1917
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: caught with wild game meat. And there's this whole thing

1918
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: with moving animals across the board exactly. So no. But

1919
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 1: the funny thing is when we travel in this amongst

1920
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: my peers and skiing, I'm kind of the cook because

1921
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest guy. I have kids, And so if

1922
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 1: we're all staying in one like if there's four or

1923
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: five guys staying in one condo, I'll cook the meals

1924
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: and I usually bring wild game and they're all excited

1925
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: about it. And so I have this like reputation amongst

1926
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: my peers and coaches and support staff that I'm this

1927
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: amazing cook. So every time anyway of them talks to

1928
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 1: my wife, they're like, wow, it must be so great

1929
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: having Dave around to cook all the meals. And she's like, yeah,

1930
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: that'd be nice if you ever actually cooked, because I

1931
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: don't cook when I'm home. But my daughter, my daughter

1932
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: stayed over at Yanni's house. I'm still pissed at her

1933
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: about this. My daughter stays over yet, she's nine years old,

1934
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 1: stays over at Yannie's house and tells him, Oh yeah,

1935
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: my dad, he has a cook breakfast at all. I

1936
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: told him that he just looks at his phone, which

1937
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: is her bold faced. I think she got caught up

1938
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: and just like, guy, do you go to someone else's place,

1939
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: they could cook the exact same thing you cook all

1940
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,719
Speaker 1: the time. Because someone else cooked it, it's gonna taste

1941
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: be different, you know. And she got caught up in that.

1942
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I happen to make some like lemon ricotta pancakes. My

1943
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 1: kids are like, and Rosie's like, oh my gosh, the

1944
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: best pancakes ever. My dad never makes pancakes, you know.

1945
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: And uh, I forgot what else there was whatever we

1946
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 1: had for dinner. She was a real big fan of two.

1947
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yanni made us a wild turkey. And she

1948
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: gets to telling Joannie, I've never had this before. I'm like,

1949
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm like a staple. Yeah, I'm like, I think most

1950
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: of American things that your dad invented. This DIY so funny. Man. So, uh,

1951
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: when you at what point you gotta decide if you're

1952
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Olympics again? You know, I don't

1953
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: mean go would try to go you already you already

1954
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: got invited. No, I didn't already get invited. You could

1955
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 1: like go to ship make it. Oh absolutely, yeah, I

1956
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: mean at least for I mean, I was thinking about

1957
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: hanging it up after the last Olympics and just kind

1958
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: of moving you Like, what's his name? You are like

1959
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Tom braid him and Han every year? Well, no, I wasn't. Never.

1960
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm an introvert. So all this is going on in

1961
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: my head. I wasn't saying it out loud, like thinking,

1962
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: but but I was considering. I just had kind of

1963
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: lost my love for the sport. I had a couple

1964
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: of seasons agrow where I was injured a lot of

1965
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: the time, and it was just it just got to

1966
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, man, do I really

1967
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: love this anymore? So I got out of that place

1968
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 1: and decided to do another one here and now I'm

1969
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: kind of like, man, I'm pretty motivated. I think I

1970
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: want to do one more. Have you touched pair of

1971
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: skei since you got off the off the podium there? Yeah.

1972
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I I bruised my heel pretty good this year and

1973
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: it was just causing me great pain while I was skiing.

1974
01:47:58,439 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: So it's hard to be motivated to go out and

1975
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: creationally ski when you're dealing with injury like that. But

1976
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: I skied last weekend. It was fine, So I'll probably

1977
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: be back out cruising now. If you decide when you

1978
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: need to decide by and when you need to start

1979
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: acting on that decision, oh, it all comes down to

1980
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: your talent level, uh or in some in some ways, um,

1981
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 1: because I know for a fact that I'm not talented

1982
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 1: enough to not stay in it for the next four

1983
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 1: years and try to make it for four years from

1984
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 1: now or three and three quarters of years from now.

1985
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna go for another Olympics, I kind

1986
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: of got to stay in it, stay competitive, be training,

1987
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,560
Speaker 1: be doing all the same stuff that I've been doing

1988
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: right now starting now. Yeah, with that ski And it's

1989
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: just so crazy how progressive it is though, and how

1990
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: you have to stay on top of it and just

1991
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 1: watch some guy probably on Instagram do something crazy and

1992
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, it's just it's just so progressive.

1993
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, just with the tricks, you know,

1994
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 1: or do you not feel like that, you know what

1995
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah. Part of my early success was because

1996
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 1: I was was that guy. I was the pioneer. I

1997
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: was the one who was like just looking at the

1998
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: sport and picking off things that nobody else was doing

1999
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 1: and saying, I'm gonna do this. And that's why I

2000
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: was able to win so many contests in a row

2001
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: is because I was just like I had this on paper,

2002
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: I had on a demandage at the start of the day,

2003
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 1: so all I had to do is land it in

2004
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: order to win. And so now I'm not in that

2005
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 1: position anymore. I'm I'm kind of like looking at the

2006
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: younger guys and watching I'm just all washed up. But like,

2007
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: what's a trick? Like, what's what's the one of the

2008
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 1: best halfpipe tricks? So right now, all the tricks with

2009
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 1: you are are counted in degrees of rotation, So three

2010
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 1: sixty degrees is one spin. And uh. In the last Olympics,

2011
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I won because I did double corks, which means you're

2012
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 1: flipping twice and spinning in four are different directions. So

2013
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 1: I took off backwards to the right, did a double cork,

2014
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: took off backwards to the left and did a double cork.

2015
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: And those were ten eighties and twelve sixties. This time

2016
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,759
Speaker 1: around at the Olympics it was all fourties and sixteen twelve.

2017
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 1: So it's like really like, yeah, people are now like

2018
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 1: spinning stopping themselves right in some stuff and like landing

2019
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: the opposite. Yeah, you call that a pretzel when you

2020
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: when you spin one direction and then almost hold it

2021
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: and bring it back the other directions. So that's in.

2022
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: That's not in half five yet, but but it may.

2023
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: We may get to that point. But Paul's all kinds

2024
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 1: of Paul is gonna be like shooting over his back

2025
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 1: and ship, you know, I mean pretzel shooting. Uh, that's yeah.

2026
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought of that part of it. It's

2027
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: like it's not like this like thing that's always existed

2028
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: and you just do it faster, right, And that's what

2029
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. In most of the traditional freestyle

2030
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: events like aerials and moguls, for the most part, they're

2031
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: doing the same tricks and just trying to do them better.

2032
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 1: But my sport is all about innovating and doing something

2033
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: new that nobody else is doing and differentiating ourselves that way. Well,

2034
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: man will be watching. I appreciate it. I'll be rooting

2035
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: for you. Thanks you Now. I feel invested. I always

2036
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: get interested. I can't get interested in sports. I know

2037
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: someone that does it. Yeah, both of you, guys, I

2038
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: feel like we're invested. Well, you guys gotta send me

2039
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: a text when you decide or not. Paul, How does

2040
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: the average Joe American UH get to watch like your

2041
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: next big race or just biathon in general because there's

2042
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: a streaming service or website that you recommend. Yeah, Um,

2043
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I think the easiest way is Peacock. Peacock generally has

2044
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: all of the races live. If you have a VPN,

2045
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 1: you can watch it on your euro Sport or if

2046
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: you go to Bathlon World dot com they have live

2047
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: broadcasting on there as well. Um. NBC Sports at times

2048
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,839
Speaker 1: does have it, um, but Peacock is generally the easiest,

2049
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: or Eurovision as well, and that's the same for my sport.

2050
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 1: To Peacock is a really good way. I think everybody

2051
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: has peacock now because of the Olympics. Once the next

2052
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: big showdown our first World Cup this next season. So

2053
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:19,560
Speaker 1: we just wrapped up. Um. I was in Norway a

2054
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 1: week ago and that was our last World Cup of

2055
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: the season and our next World Cup for to kick

2056
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 1: off the three season will be in Sweden on November.

2057
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 1: You've got a long break right now. I have. I

2058
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 1: have about a month break and then I gotta get

2059
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: back to training. You guys call it a shootout showdown?

2060
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:42,600
Speaker 1: What do you call it? World Cup? Okay, yeah, I

2061
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I think like a biathlon shootout or

2062
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 1: showdown even like yeah, yeah, But in general, is the

2063
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: like worldwide biathlne um trending up boards, like more people

2064
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: getting involved in Yeah, for sure, it's a it's a

2065
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: huge market. Um. I mean they signed some the IBU,

2066
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 1: which is the International Bathlon Union, they signed some like

2067
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: pretty hefty uh TV deals and they're broadcasting has all

2068
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 1: been um with with Eurovision and euro Sport, which makes

2069
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:16,560
Speaker 1: it a lot more accessible for people to watch worldwide.

2070
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 1: And as a result of that, it's been a growing,

2071
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:21,719
Speaker 1: a growing sport. What's the trend in the US, um

2072
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: that I don't know, statistically, it's definitely growing, probably not

2073
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: as much as other other countries like um, but the

2074
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: IBU is definitely trying to target those, uh different markets

2075
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: that aren't quite as big yet, like including Finland, which

2076
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 1: is more historically across country nation. But yeah, they're definitely growing.

2077
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 1: It seems as if just in Bozeman here I hear

2078
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 1: more chat about the sport because that place up there's

2079
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: that place up the road that does all the cross

2080
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 1: got like cross cut, they got all the you go

2081
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,759
Speaker 1: down and people shooting away. Yeah, so cross Cut Mountain

2082
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: Sports here in town. They just put in a brand

2083
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: new thirty point range which is like a regulation size

2084
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:06,639
Speaker 1: range to hold international competitions in there. Currently starting a

2085
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: fundraising campaign to build a full training center and lodging

2086
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: everything else like that, which is super exciting. UM. So

2087
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really sweet facility once once they

2088
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: get that put in and so yeah, it's fear in Bozeman,

2089
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 1: shoul definitely definitely go check it out. Uh how do

2090
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 1: people find you? Are you active on social media? I am?

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram, Paul Ti Schomer Um that's my main

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Speaker 1: my main one. Otherwise c h O M M E

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Speaker 1: er that's correct. And then I also have a website,

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Speaker 1: Paul Schomer dot com. I don't I don't update it

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Speaker 1: a whole lot, but they can drop your note. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I mispronounced your name when I was introducing

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Speaker 1: you at the start show. Yeah, okay, what's what what's

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Speaker 1: the best way for people to find you? David? Same thing? Instagram? Uh,

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Speaker 1: my skiing page, just my personal skiing pages. Mr David Wise,

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Speaker 1: m R David Eyes. And then if you're interested in

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Speaker 1: the hunting aspect of things, I post that all on

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Speaker 1: wise o t G, which is short for Wise off

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Speaker 1: the Grid. And I'm on YouTube too. I vlogged here

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Speaker 1: and there. I'm not super consistent about it, but I

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Speaker 1: I do hunting an skiing stuff on the block. And

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Speaker 1: how did they find that? That's at Mr David Wise

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Speaker 1: as well? Mr David m R David Wise. Alright, well guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, man, thanks for having us. I'm

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Speaker 1: pulling for your asses. Don't let me down. You thought

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Speaker 1: you felt pressure before. I can't wait to look back

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Speaker 1: on this and be like, you know, when Paul decided

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Speaker 1: was when he's sitting there and meat eater Bozeman, But

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Speaker 1: then he went on yeah, I think. I think. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: even if we did it without the skis, we should

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Speaker 1: maybe try to do another little meat eater get together

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Speaker 1: so you could just like shoot that rifle. It's a

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Speaker 1: real joy. I'd like to shoot the rifle. Yeah, your kids,

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Speaker 1: I want I'm bummed I missed out. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to bring my kids because then what if they get

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Speaker 1: into it? It sounds more weekends away. Did they get

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Speaker 1: into it and it's a weekend thing. I mean it

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Speaker 1: could be a weekday thing too. It's here Bozeman. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you gonna be traveling places. I guess

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Speaker 1: you could do that or something. They got weekend programs,

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Speaker 1: get programs and stuff, so you're super close. Tuesday's Wednesday's

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Speaker 1: about it? All right, guys, thanks for coming off