1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, This is Bowen and this is Matt. We 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: are obviously going to do things a little differently this week. Um, 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: just because you know, Matt and I had a quick 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: discussion today. We didn't want to be a culture podcast 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: without addressing very obvious circumstances there are coming on right 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: now around the world. So that's it. So that's that's 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: sort of the intention we're bringing to this episode. And 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: I think that first and foremost, let's get one thing 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: absolutely straight for anyone that's listening to this, which is 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: black Lives matter. That needs to be said at the 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: top of everyone's lungs. And I personally, like I want 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: to apologize for not being as loud about this and 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: not being as angry about this. I think I've always 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: been angry. You know. This is an incredibly intense moment 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: where I think the world is at a tipping point 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: and we need to be just as angry. We need 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: to be more angry. I think that this that what's 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: happening out on the streets right now and what's happening 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: in this country is a long time coming, because this 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: is just we are. It's it's sick, what's going on. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I have a protest at time a window. I just 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: came from a vigil today. UM. It is you know, there, there, there, there, 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: there's a ground swell happening. UM. And today we're recording 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: this on June one. You know, there's little little little 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: openings of something happening. UM. Keith Ellison being appointed UM 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: to investigate what happened in Minneapolis is sort of a 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: slightly positive development. UM, someone who has a really extensive 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: background in civil rights cases. UM and the independent investigation 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: on Joy George Floyd's murder coming through and saying this 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: absolutely was a homicide. And just to speak to UM, 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: to speak to the first result, which kind of blamed 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: his death on pre existing conditions. I just want everyone 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: to really try to understand how insane that is, because 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: that that what that actually is saying is that had 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: he been walking down the street, he could have died 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: of those pretty distant conditions like the next like the 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: knee on his neck actually didn't have as much to 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: do with it. It's a really flagrant sort of display 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: of like a specific kind of racism, which is biological racism, 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: which is putting forward the notion that, UM, the reason 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: for racial inequities are because are the cause or the 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: that there are these physiological inequities among different racial groups, 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: and that is um what causes rachel iniquities. Right. So 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: basically what that sort of what that autopsy autopsy implied 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: was that George Floyd died because he had these pre 46 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: existing conditions that are coincidentally, um prevalent among black Americans. 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: So it's saying that these this death was not at 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the hands of police, that it was sort of he 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: was genetically predisposed. Even let's say, which is I mean, 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: think about that, Think about how completely horrid that is 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: the reason, like racial iniquities are causing these biological, um, 52 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: these physiological inequities. I mean, I mean, I mean, I 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: hope people understand that. I hope people understand that it's 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: just it. It's a way to try to get these 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: cops off the hook, you guys, like it's it's and 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: it's crazy. And I really hope that we can just 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: see black and white like to use it, just to 58 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: use a phrase like this is this is wrong and 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: then an independent investigation comes in and says, no, it 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: was absolutely a homicide, which is what it was. And 61 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: I also just want to speak very quickly because there 62 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: is still a lot of hesitance amongst white people to 63 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: say the words black lives matter. And I still feel 64 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: like I'm still seeing responses on social media to the 65 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: hashtag black lives matter, which is no, all lives matter. 66 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: This is why it's important to say that black lives matter. 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: Black lives litter, no no qualification. You don't qualify that 68 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: statement ever, ever, ever, ever, it's just of course, every 69 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: human life does matter. But when you when you fail 70 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: to say that black lives matter, there is a base 71 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: sort of experience in this country, which is that we 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: are just so desensitized to these black lives just being 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: lost and these black lives being taken. So that's we 74 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: need to say black lives matter, because they have not 75 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: mattered in the past. So but in saying black lives matter, 76 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: we're not saying only black lives matter that which is 77 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: it's crazy that you would think that's the case. We're 78 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: saying that black lives matter just as much as any 79 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: other life, and we need to change the way that 80 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: this country has been behaving as if that they don't. 81 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. We're saying now we have to 82 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: really start shouting from the rooftops that this is unacceptable, 83 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: This pattern of behavior is unacceptable. Police brutality is not acceptable. 84 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: The system is broken. Yes, yes, of course Matt and 85 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: I are very sort of Um, I would say upfront 86 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: about the ways that we've been anti black on the 87 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: show multiple times. I mean, but just the ways that 88 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: our our biases have informed a lot of the ways 89 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: that we talk sort of socially or even on a 90 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: recorded podcast like this, where we sort of will appeal 91 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: to like auditory black face in some terms, like in 92 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: some ways, like the ways that you and I will 93 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: like trade in sort of you know, casual racism. Racism. 94 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: It's not even whi which which is not even a 95 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: real thing. I mean, like the term microaggression isn't even 96 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: like really applical but applicable anymore at microaggressions are sort 97 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: of used as this term in quote unquote post racial 98 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: America for us to talk about racing a more nuanced way. 99 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, there there isn't any nuance to racism. 100 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Is is kind of what we're all learning, right It's 101 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: like and in a lot of anti racist reading that UM, 102 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: I think everyone's doing right now. I think we're all 103 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: seeing that, UM, the terms institutional racism, systemic racism, structural 104 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: racism are redundant because all racism is inherently institutional, structural, systemic. 105 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: You know, It's like and and it's and I hope 106 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: everyone just takes this time to um examine the ways 107 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: that they've been racist before, because and do not deny, 108 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: because denial is built into racism itself. For you to 109 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: say that you're not racist, is you telling on yourself 110 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: that you are? Because we all are. We all are racist, 111 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and it's not I have been We're we are all racist. 112 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: And um the way that Ibram X Kendy writes about 113 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: in his book, racism and anti racism are identities that 114 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: we can peel off and put on ourselves, like sort 115 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: of hell are my name is name tags? It's like 116 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: one moment we can behave racistly and another moment we 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: can behave anti racistly. We have to redistribute the racist 118 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: so that it is overwhelmingly overwhelmingly We're we're wearing the 119 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: anti racism identity UM in our lives more often than 120 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: we are the racist one. I hope, I hope people 121 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: sort of try to use that as a guide. I 122 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: don't know, UM, it's it's hard to make broad sort 123 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: of suggestions and guidances as to non black people. Um, 124 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: but that's sort of kind of what I'm taking away 125 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: from a lot of my reading and my absorption right now. Yeah. 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in this country are 127 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: in shock right now because of how big this moment 128 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: feels to them. And I think that we all, to 129 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: a certain extent, really have forgotten or blocked out exactly 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: how America came to be what it is, which is 131 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: important to say, you know, America is there is no 132 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: America without black people because America or the white people, 133 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: white people stole African people from their lands and brought 134 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: them here, enslaved them, forced them to build this country. 135 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: And then I think, because there are serious gaps in education, 136 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: we think that, oh, well, it ended when slavery ended, 137 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and then it was still bad for a hundred years 138 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: or so until the Civil rights movement, and then it 139 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: was fixed again. There are so many gaps, and there's 140 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: there's there's so much to learn, and there's so much 141 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: to examine about why we have arrived at this moment 142 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: in time, and I think that people are very resistant 143 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: to really examine that. And I think that we all 144 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: because because if we really examined it, we would feel 145 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: crazy amounts of pain. And understand that those crazy amounts 146 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: of pain are felt every single day by people who 147 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: are afraid to leave their homes because they might be 148 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: murdered because of the color of their skin. It's gotten 149 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: to the point where if you are watching the news 150 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: and this amount of pain shocks you, the or this, 151 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: this whatever however you wanna, if the protests surprise you 152 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: or shock you, if the fact that sometimes they get violent, 153 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: if that shocks you or surprises you. This has been 154 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: existing for centuries. This is that we are at a 155 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: breaking point because it cannot continue and a lot of 156 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: people are sitting at their homes getting really upset about 157 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: people who point this out. And I do think that 158 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: this is why, for example, someone like Alexandria Costio Cortez, 159 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: she earned so much hatred for trying to do this 160 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: the quote unquote right way, or speak or speaking to 161 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: these issues in public, and how dare she? But this 162 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: is what this is what life is like. And so 163 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: now when people have tried and tried and tried to 164 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: do things the quote unquote right way, you cannot condemn 165 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: what is happening in this out in America right now. 166 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: You can't police or tone police the way that people 167 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: are demanding that their lives be protected or not ripped 168 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: away from them. And I'm very aware of the fact 169 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: that this isn't coming out as eloquently. No, it doesn't 170 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: it that's we're not That's not what anyone's asking of 171 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: really anyone, right, I mean, what I'm noticing is everyone 172 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: is having a similar emotional response to this. Hopefully I'm trying. 173 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm basically saying that we're all catching up to a 174 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: certain baseline vocabulary. That is what's happening. That is the 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: reckoning that that is part of the reckoning in terms 176 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: of UH as a culture, the way that we talk 177 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: about this. We're all being brought up to speed on 178 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: what the what what what the vocabulary is. And white 179 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: people need to be coddled there too much about like 180 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: this owning up to the privilege of it all. And 181 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: I think that we've made some progress in terms of 182 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: understanding that privilege is not something that's that you're told 183 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: you have um and it means that you're a bad person. 184 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: It just means that we all have to own up 185 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: to the amount of privilege that we have and understand 186 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: that that protects us in a racist society, which we 187 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: have a racist society, and we have a society that 188 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: runs with certain systems in place that protect white people 189 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and do not protect black people. Yes, Um, if you 190 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: or someone you know is struggling with a basic grasp 191 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: of this, the way that you can explain this to someone, 192 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: hopefully in terms that they can understand our um that 193 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: racism are is just a set of personal biases, um, 194 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: personal prejudices, and that gets scaled up to misuse and 195 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: abusive power. And then I mean, this is this is 196 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: the way. This is the way that I saw someone 197 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: explain this to their parents is that, Um, someone was 198 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: someone's parents were like very anti looting, um, and then uh, 199 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: this person was like, well, mom, what would make you 200 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: so angry that you would want to smash a window in? 201 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: And she was like, well, if they hurt my family 202 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: or my children, or if my livelihood was taken away, 203 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: then that would drive me to such anger that I 204 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: would do that. And I mean this is just assuming 205 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: that um, a majority of these agitation like that a 206 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: majority of these sort of agitating events of looting happening 207 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean that that's just assuming that that 208 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: it's all being sort of orchestrated by the protesters themselves, 209 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: when I mean, we're seeing it's not the case, and 210 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: it's people who are being opportunistic either um, either on 211 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: the far right or people who are just like, oh, 212 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm just or just like some fucking idiot white dude 213 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: who like goes into a surf shop that's been broken 214 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: into and takes the fucking surfboard out, like like we like, 215 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: there's just like a million different reasons for people to 216 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: act horrendously right now, and none of that can be 217 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: lumped together in a way that is uh neatly filed 218 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: away into be certain people's mind. And um, another thing is, 219 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, I had a conversation with someone close to 220 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: me and this was the first thing they said. You know, 221 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: we began the conversation, it was, well, this is not 222 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: how you get the point across. And just if you 223 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: have that conversation with someone in your life, try to 224 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: redirect to that conversation to why this is happening. And 225 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: this is happening because there is a violent, murderous pattern 226 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: in this country that has to do with police killing 227 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: black people. Innocent black people. That is what we should 228 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: be as a nation most furious about and try to 229 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: make the people in your life understand when someone is 230 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: using their voice and that is and that voice is 231 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: a minority person, you must listen to that voice. It's 232 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: like this with That's why when people say believe women, 233 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: women have everything to lose when they step forward and 234 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: they say I was assaulted by this person, powerful or not, 235 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: That's why you listen to that person, the weaker person 236 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: in the argument, because logically they step forward with everything 237 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: to lose, because we can see historically that the the 238 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: accused in this situation, which you know, let's say whoever 239 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: it is like white man man. However, these are people 240 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: that historically get away with this, and we we there's 241 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: there's a record of this there. It's just it's a 242 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: tale as old as time. So when black people take 243 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: to the streets and they say stop killing us, that 244 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: person is taking a risk doing that, and every all 245 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: they're risking their life. They don't do this lightly. Do 246 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: you think that every protester in America woke up today 247 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: and said, you know what I'd like to do, risk 248 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: my life screaming in the streets. No, they don't want 249 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: to do that. They want to be treated fairly. They 250 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: want to live. They want to be able to go 251 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: to work, live their life, raise their family, only live 252 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: in their own apartment, do basic things that everyone else 253 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: is able to do. But they're not because they have 254 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: to see on the news all the time explicitly why 255 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: they can't do that or why they should be afraid. 256 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: They have to watch a video of Amy Cooper, who 257 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: should be in jail, by the way, knowingly call attempting 258 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: to call the police, then calling the police and saying, 259 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: there is an African American male threatening my life because 260 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: a birder said leash your dog. Because she was breaking, 261 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: she was violating, She was breaking a lot, weaponizing police 262 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: brutality in a way that was she was so aware 263 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: of it and with malicious intent. She called the police 264 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: on Christian Cooper. And we should point out that her 265 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: apology quote unquote was also um forget how well. It 266 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: also just had that trademark line of I'm not racist. Um. 267 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Denial is built into racism. You cannot deny. This applies 268 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: for everyone, us included, just everyone. Everyone. Denial is built 269 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: into racism. Anytime we have been racist, we have at 270 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: one point or another. I'll speak for myself, have had 271 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: the instinct to deny, but absolutely that's a that's an 272 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: instinct you have to kill immediately because in the recent 273 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: discourse of racism, like this is where you get your 274 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why you're Richard Spencer's say ship 275 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: like racism went from being um a descriptive word to 276 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: a pejorative word. It's not you cannot frame it around 277 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: it being this word that like is condemning. I mean, 278 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: it's obviously a condemning word, but it's not a word 279 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: that is um out to. You're not gonna go to 280 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: jail for being called that. You're not going to die 281 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: for being called that. Now, what what you're doing? What 282 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: what's happening is you're being called out, and in that 283 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: call out, truly like literally, what is the worst thing 284 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen? Like, you know what, you have to 285 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: use that as an opportunity to grow. And I think 286 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: that because there is so much reactionary people are people 287 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: are afraid that they're gonna lose everything or look bad 288 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: by being called out because of the things that they've 289 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: done and said. That is unfortunately something you're gonna have 290 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to shoulder. And it is where no one is saying 291 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: fuck you like you're done forever. We're just saying these 292 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: are patterns of behavior that we as a human race 293 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: have to change as as white people, as non black people, 294 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: we have to understand these ways that we demean black 295 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: people knowingly and unknowingly and even worse than de mean, degrade, dehumanized, 296 00:18:54,320 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: murder kill. I want to because I know that we 297 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: are also dealing with this in the middle of a pandemic. 298 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: So many people are not comfortable taking to the streets, 299 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: and that is understandable. And let's just say to everyone, 300 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: not all forms of activism are for everyone, Not all 301 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: forms of protests are for everyone. I would like to 302 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: read some organizations right now, some good organizations that you 303 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: can donate your money to, and I want to implore 304 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: you to send money to these organizations. And I'm not 305 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: even gonna do the thing of if you can give, 306 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: you can all give. You can some of you can 307 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: give five dollars, some of you can give five dollars. 308 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: And there are thousands of people that listen to this podcast. 309 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: We're at a point now where, um, you, we have 310 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves if we're willing to be uncomfortable in 311 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: every kind of way, and that includes financially. I mean 312 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: you have to have to have to you have to 313 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: by whatever degree you want to define it by. I 314 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: sound like like I'm saying nothing, But what I mean 315 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: is like you have to decide how uncomfortable you're willing 316 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: to be in order to make things better or not 317 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: even better, just do do right by people. This is 318 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: not even this is not comfortable for Bowen and I 319 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: to discuss flat out, like, I don't think either of 320 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: us are in our element doing this, but that is 321 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: part of that is part of the work. Part of 322 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: this is we are stopped for this episode. We are 323 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: stopping this the podcast as it exists, because we have 324 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: to address what is going on. Bowen and I are comedians. 325 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: We but we also have a platform here, and I 326 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: am I was really sick of just being a tweet 327 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: and an Instagram story with a swipe up you. I 328 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: just would feel really sick if like we look back 329 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: at this moment and didn't do everything that we could 330 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: with this platform. And I know that because I I 331 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: know it. I know there are people that listen to 332 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: this podcast. Maybe there aren't thousands of people that listen 333 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: to this podcast, but there are a lot of people 334 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: that listen to this podcast who have expressed that they 335 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: think politically differently than we do. I implore you to understand. 336 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: I hope that maybe, like our change in tone just 337 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: gets across to you how how strongly we are taking 338 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: this and I I I want to read these organizations 339 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: that I have donated to that I'm sure Bone has 340 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: donated to, and I want you to consider sending money. 341 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter Global Network, Reclaim the Block, National Bailout, 342 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: the Black Visions Collective, the n double a CP Legal 343 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: Defense and Educational Fund, the National Police Accountability Project, Color 344 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: of Change Education Fund, Unicorn Riot Campaign, Zero Advancement Project, 345 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: the Martial Project, the George Floyd Memorial Funds, Color of Change, 346 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: Equal Justice Initiative. And I also want to call attention 347 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: to all of the bailout funds that you can go 348 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: to act blue dot com and help out, because that 349 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: is something that I'm really passionate about during this time, 350 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: is making sure that these protesters who are often unfairly 351 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: put in jail. And I want everyone I understand that 352 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: we're all on different Twitter bubbles, but what I am 353 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: seeing is too many instances of peaceful protesters being arrested 354 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: by the police because the police feel quote unquote agitated 355 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: by the nature of that protest. But they are peaceful, 356 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and they are non violent, and they're being put in 357 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: prison during a pandemic. And so I would like everyone 358 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: to really, if you're thinking all about all these about 359 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: all these organizations, really consider the bail bailout funds because 360 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: people are being put in jail, and those jails are 361 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: cesspools for COVID nineteen and a disease that already, mind you, 362 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: disproportionately affects communities of color already because of the systems 363 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: in place that don't allow people of color to receive 364 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: the same medical care, to receive the same attention in 365 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: their communities. So that's something that I would like to 366 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: call particular attention to those. Yeah, those are great, those 367 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: are great organizations. UM. There is also I think maybe 368 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: an important intersectional element to this, where a lot of 369 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: trans advocacy groups, Black transadvocacy groups are um I'm sure 370 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: are eager to get some funding. Translifeline, Translate Fline, tj 371 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: I Justice Project, the Ocre Project, which is um New 372 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: York based. Uh, it's combating food and security among black 373 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: trans folks. UM doing really important work. There was representative 374 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: today at Sheridan Square. They have sort of two different 375 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: memorial funds for Nina Pop and Tony McDade for mental 376 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: health resources for black trans folks and anything you can 377 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: do to support the project and t G Destice projects 378 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: are are very important. Um and understand too. This is 379 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: redundant to say at this point. This is something that 380 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: we as human beings in America, as Americans, as allies, 381 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: are going to have to do ourselves because there is 382 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: not leadership in this country. We have a president who 383 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: is only focusing on his passionate base. At this point, 384 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: the lights are off in the White House. Literally, he's 385 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: a coward. He's a fucking joke. But unfortunately it's not 386 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: a joke. He actually is the president of the United States. 387 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: And it's redundant to say, but local leaders as well. 388 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: And I live in Los Angeles and not for nothing, 389 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: but Garcetti, you didn't care before either. I've lived here 390 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: a little bit over a year and the homeless situation 391 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: is out of fucking control and everyone knows it. And 392 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: do Blasio do Blasio, I think it's so so upsetting 393 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: for someone to run on a campaign of police reform 394 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: and to use his son as a prompt essentially, I mean, Dante, 395 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't mean to to speak on 396 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: that relate that the relationship, but we there there there 397 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: is a window of fairness to call that sort of 398 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: um a proper performance, to use your son as a 399 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: way to emotionally hit a nerve among New Yorkers, among 400 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: people who whip. It's so manipulative, and the cops already 401 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: fucking hate you, and MP already fucking turned your back 402 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: up on you at a at some damn function. What's 403 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: defunding them a little bit more? Gonna do? What's not 404 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: setting a curfew that you very easily and stated within hours, 405 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: even though I don't know during the peak of the 406 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: cocon Nina break, you just very casually we're going to 407 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: call for a lockdown, not really care. I mean, it's 408 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: like it's so transparent, the ways that we are flat, 409 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: the ways that our leaders are flexing their their their 410 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: power for specific, specific, circumstantial things. I mean, the same 411 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: goes for Quoma. I mean, to be honest, I hope 412 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: everyone's boner for a Cuoma is shrinking slight in a 413 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: major way. UM. It's just it's just so upsetting. Um. Everyone, 414 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: If if you're listening to New York UM, look up 415 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: UM ways to Appeal fifty A. That is the civil 416 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: rights m measure that basically UM destroys all police transparency 417 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: in New York State. Look at plays to call your 418 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: assembly person, your state senator, any representative who can help 419 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: bring this to the floor and repeal it. UM demand 420 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: New York Budget Justice UM to reallocate funds. That's what UM, 421 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: That's what we claimed the block and a lot of UM, 422 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: these great organizations in Minnesota are doing. It's it's about 423 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: budget reallocation. It's about changing and dismantling racist policy, because 424 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're dealing with. That is the 425 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: that is the source of the problem here. Racist policy 426 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: and that includes police. Yes, modern policing is racist policy 427 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: and is not It has never been about community empowerment. 428 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: It has never been about ensuring the safety of their 429 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: communities that they claim to protect. It is about it 430 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: is a tool for social control i e. White supremacy. 431 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: So everyone, please, UM, there's as people know now. End 432 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: of Leasting is a free e book that people can 433 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: download UM. I am looking forward to really getting into it, 434 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: UM once I finish up some other reading, and to 435 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: speak about Los Angeles. Right before I got on here, 436 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: Garcetti addressed the city. I don't say this as a 437 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: compliment to him at all. I think he's doing the 438 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: best he can and it's not good enough because and 439 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: he needs to go. He needs to go, and we 440 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: really need to get our ships together when we vote, okay, 441 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: because this is a this is beyond unacceptable notifications that 442 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: we're getting on our phone that call for curfews at 443 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: six pm. What they're sending out at five pm. Then 444 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: people are confused, said whether it's a city mandate or 445 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: a county mandate today they call, they say it's at 446 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: six pm. Then we get one that says it's five pm. 447 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: Then he has to issue a correction. What the funk 448 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: is going on? Are you serious? And then he has 449 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: the nerve to get up there in address and say, 450 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: I know it's confusing. It shouldn't be confusing. It should 451 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: be clear, because it's the job of a leader has 452 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: to be clear. This it's brass tacks. This is what 453 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: leadership is. A leader makes clear decisions. Your decisions are unclear, 454 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: and they're messy, and they're confusing the populace and they 455 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: panic people. And that's what you've done to this to 456 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 1: this city. You've panicked everyone for what because you were 457 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the nature of some of the protesting. I've 458 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: seen the videos. I have first hand accounts of people 459 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: who are at protests in l A. That's say, cops 460 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: are shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters. While we're on 461 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: the subject, let's talk about the rubber bullets of it all. 462 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: If you think that a rubber bullet can't kill, you're 463 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: sorely mistake. A can, because if a rubber bullet is 464 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: taken to the head fatal, it can have serious it 465 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: can do serious damage. People have lost their eyes their 466 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: eyesight based on actions by the police. UM. We're already 467 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: getting some stories of folks dying at protests. UM. James 468 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: Skurlock in Omaha, Nebraska shot and killed by UM, racist, 469 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: homophobic club owner UM while James is protesting UM and 470 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: UH this business owner David McAfee UM in Louisville, UM 471 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: an arm shot Dad by Louisville police. I mean, they're 472 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: they're the blood sacrifice is still is still happening. I mean, 473 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's the way to frame it too. It's like, well, y'all, 474 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: hands up, don't shoot. Isn't a meme. It's begging for mercy. 475 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: And the fact that it's popular is because it happens 476 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: all the time. These words aren't on signs because their memes. 477 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: These words are on signs because they are begging the 478 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: police to not shoot them. Whoever is using them as memes. 479 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'm saying, well, I guess what I'm saying. No, 480 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no no. Yeah. It's they're not like slogans. 481 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: They're not slogans. Yeah, this isn't like Also, think about 482 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: if if it was, what the fuck? The fact that 483 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: you see it so much should speak to the tragedy 484 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,239 Speaker 1: of the situation. We are in a tragic situation. We 485 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: need huge, massive change, and we need to not just 486 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: think about the presidential election. And I that's another thing 487 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: I want to say, is you go, You've got a 488 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: lot of people out there that are confused and sort 489 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: of spell bound by the fact that this is happening 490 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: because you really thought racism died with Obama. Racism did 491 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: not die with Obama. You know, America was not made 492 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: great again by Trump, and the soul of America will 493 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: not be healed by Joe Biden. Okay, what's gonna need 494 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: to happen is we're going to need to elect people 495 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: who will protect and respect all Americans on every level 496 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: of government, the d A, on the state level, on 497 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: the local level. We have to really be putting as 498 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: much energy into the big event into the small events 499 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: that feel small. They're not small. What I'm saying is 500 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: they felt small in the past. You think because it's 501 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: not a big seat, because that person isn't gonna become famous, 502 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: that that person is not very important. This is another 503 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: opportunity for everyone to get really granular with who represents you. Um. 504 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: The resources online for that obviously, UM. And look up 505 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: who is running in your districts this election if your 506 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: primary hasn't happened yet. Especially Also, I mean we're not 507 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: we're not endorsing any any particular thing, but um people 508 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: parate politics, I mean has always done me right, um 509 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: or always goes well with my value system, so you know, 510 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe it might drive with yours too. You know. Also, 511 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: look up your what your ballot is going to be 512 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: before you get to the ballot box, you guys, because 513 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: oftentimes I'll i will not be trying to say I'll 514 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: arrive with the best intentions to the ballots, and then 515 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: I'll get to some of the less publicized races and 516 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: they'll be, you know, five six Democrats running on the ballot, 517 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: but I won't know which one to choose because I 518 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: did not do my due diligence in finding out which 519 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: of those quote unquote Democrats actually have progressive policies. And 520 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that needs to be talked 521 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: about a little bit more, is understanding every single race 522 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: that you're going to be voting for and and the 523 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: candidates that are running in those races, because let me 524 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: tell you, the harsh truth is that D next to 525 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: that candidate's name doesn't mean ship not anymore, and maybe 526 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean shit. Really, we need to start getting 527 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: real about what it means to be truly progressive. I 528 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: think hopefully the takeaway in recent days is that whoever 529 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: you're electing into a d A or a prosecutor or 530 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: a judge appointment into any of those offices, that those 531 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: are basically the people who have all the power in 532 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: terms of in terms of what's happening in Minneapolis, Like 533 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: those are the people who have power in charging and 534 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: prosecuting anybody who happens to have murdered a black person. 535 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean, if that shifts sort of your your enthusiasm 536 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: over certain races, um, I hope that sort of yeah, 537 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: I hope. I hope that might be a rejustment in 538 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: your and your view of things. And these progressive candidates 539 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: who are running for d A, that's you know, they've 540 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: these are people who have tried cases in the system 541 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: and they see firsthand. That's why they're running because they 542 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: see firsthand the injustice and that is what it is. 543 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: It's in us, this the lack of justice. So that's 544 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: I guess we really need to be thinking about that 545 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: because what I really hate is the sort of very 546 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: white idea that will can't wait for November when this 547 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: can be over. Guess what you didn't. We did not 548 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: choose the candidate where this is going to be over 549 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: in November. We chose a candidate that will have the 550 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: ear of progressives. Hopefully that's what we have done, but 551 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: that's not a guarantee either. It's that's what I'm saying. Hopefully, 552 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Hopefully the Democratic candidate for president, Joe Biden, who has 553 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: been a part of this government that has failed us 554 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: for decades. Let's just say that. And of course I 555 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: will support him in this year. Of course I'll support 556 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: him in November. But but it's gonna be work, and 557 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: the work does continue, and I'm not disparaging him, but 558 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: I am saying he has work to do. And if 559 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: you think that it's this, it's this thing of don't 560 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: talk to me about him until until after he's elected. No, no, 561 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: he We we have to get this to a place 562 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: where this is actually going to enact change. We need real, definite, concrete, 563 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: quick change. So it's not about November three comes and 564 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: we elect Biden hopefully and things all get Peach, I 565 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: can't even invest anything in that outcome either. I mean, like, 566 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: not now it'll be it'll be day one. That's when 567 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: the work will start, is when he gets elected. This 568 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: is not gonna be one day you wake up and 569 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: your heeled of the wound. This is gonna be a 570 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: long healing process. Hopefully everyone with a conscience around this, 571 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: which I can't imagine. If you don't, you have to 572 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: commit yourself to do doing this work every day it 573 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the scale is. I mean it matters, sure, 574 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: but it's like as much as you can take on 575 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: on a day to day level of just examining and 576 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: self reflecting as much as you can and then transmuting 577 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: that into action to dismantled racist policy, that is, that 578 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: is what will get you out of this feeling. That's 579 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: something that you should be prioritizing within yourself. You don't 580 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: have to broadcast that out. I mean, like I am 581 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: catching myself just like shutting myself up and like just 582 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: just I mean, unless it's of use and of service 583 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: to people and it's about donating, even on a baseline level, 584 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: it's like there's there's no reason to really vocalize and 585 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: like some sort of there's no need for your individual 586 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: pathos in this you. Let's just all work towards a 587 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: common goals. That's really I think what you just said 588 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: right there, are sure this is not about a personal 589 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: journey you. It's about us. It's it's about us altogether. 590 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: Chaining the way we spoke about it a few episodes 591 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: episodes ago, about the way we discussed women's bodies. We 592 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: have to make an active decision to change going forward. 593 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: And it is hard, you know what I mean, Like 594 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: and and it's hard because that's what conditioning is, you 595 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, this is just psychology. You're 596 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: we were born into a racist world. Yeah, and we 597 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: were born and a lot of people have internalized, you know, 598 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: things that they don't realize that they've internalized. And it's 599 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: it's it's time to accept that that's true and not 600 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: just say that's a shame that that happened to that person. 601 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: That's a shame that happened to that person, and what 602 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: an evil person that did that. We it's it's because 603 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: because in a macro sense, it's not a person that 604 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: did that, it's a system that did that. It's a cult, 605 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: sure that did that. And it's heartbreaking. Yeah, but I 606 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: want everyone that feels really tired every time they turn 607 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: on the news that if you're tired of hearing about 608 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: this stuff, you know you're you're exhausted by it. Black 609 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: people have been tired and exhausted for a long time 610 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 1: because this is the energy that to put in every 611 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: single day. That is the psychic toll that all of 612 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: this takes on a person on an individual level, on 613 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: then on a communal level, where this is Okay, I 614 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean I I posted everyone's kind of seeing the 615 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: Jane Elliott um blue eye brown eyes exercise. Maybe, but 616 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: she she basically rounds up people um, and she tells 617 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: people with blue eyes to put on this dumb little poncho. 618 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Go in a separate room. Then she explains to people 619 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: with brown eyes, um, hey, um, in this room, these 620 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: this is, these are the social rules that we are 621 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: going to engage, and we're gonna belittle them. We're gonna 622 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: tell that like there's posters all around around the room. 623 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: Let's say, um, blue eyes are only good if they're 624 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: like the brown eyes, or a blue eye should aspire 625 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: to be like a brown eye. All these signals that 626 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: are psychologically taxing on someone with blue eyes, who is 627 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: you know, by virtue of the melanine levels, and their 628 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: eyes and on their skin are white or white passing. 629 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: So she gets all these people in. They are so 630 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: thrown off by being mistreated, even in a closed system 631 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: as as like a classroom somewhere, and inevitably she talks 632 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: about how inevitably, like two people break down in tears, 633 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: one person storms off, and but in this particular exercise 634 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: that was recorded like back in the nineties. She starts 635 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: berating this girl. She doesn't really brate her, but this 636 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: girl sort of breaks down in tears at one point, 637 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: and then Jane goes back to her and she goes, 638 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: you're upset, aren't you? She goes yes. She goes, why 639 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: are you upset? Because, um, I'm made to fealty valued. 640 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: And why are you looking at me? Because I'm afraid 641 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: I'll get even more upset. And as a take energy 642 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: for you not look at me, yes, must be pretty bad. Huh. 643 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: And And what if you have to spend spend that 644 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: energy every single day to not look at me so 645 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: you don't get angrier? Would your heart rate go up? 646 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: She goes yes, yeah, right. And if you thought about 647 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: this the way that your kids experienced the same thing 648 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: every day, that your parents experienced the same thing every day. 649 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: This is the This is the toll that it takes 650 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: on a whole group of people. This is this is 651 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: this is a pathos that is happening on a worldwide level. 652 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 1: White supremacy is the great tragedy of the world because 653 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: it has led to capitalism, which is then basically plundered 654 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: our natural resources. It's destroying the world race is a 655 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: construct invented by some Portuguese fucking prints in the fourteen 656 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: hundreds and then later on categorized by Carlinaeus himself, the 657 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: guy who fucking does the homo sapiens, you know, by 658 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: binomial taxonomy whatever whatever the it's called. But just don't 659 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: ever use that, don't don't ever, don't ever term animals 660 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: that way anymore. Just once you realize that like the 661 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: father of racial hierarchies also invented animal hierarchies, it doesn't matter. 662 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: Just don't buy into it anyway. I'm saying that this 663 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: is this is this, this is a this is a 664 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: communal pain we're expressing, we're experiencing, and and Matt has 665 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: has touched on that in a very eloquent way too. Again, 666 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: we're not the best people to talk about this. We 667 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: are not black, but we are um taking this time 668 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 1: to reiterate our solidarity, our action among our black siblings. 669 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: You know that all being said, like black people have 670 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: been saying this, yes, of course, and that's why I think, like, 671 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, mostly, I guess the message that I want 672 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: to get out right now is to the white people 673 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: that are listening to this podcast, And there are a 674 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: ton of you. It's time to engage with two things. 675 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: Yourself and everything that you might be cultured to believe. Think, really, 676 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: start asking yourself questions about the way that you where 677 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: you came from, the way you lived your life. Here's something. 678 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: Have you never left your town? It's fine if you haven't, 679 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: but understand that you have a very limited scope of 680 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 1: the world. Try to try to think about who are 681 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: the voices that you're hearing from that are screaming out 682 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: that there's a problem. Have they what have they experienced 683 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: more than just the small town you live in. Then 684 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: they probably know something that you don't. And I'm not 685 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: saying that, I'm not saying like this is not about 686 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: educated people are better. This is not about you know, 687 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: people who live in cities are better. It's about the 688 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: fact that by nature of exposing yourself to more than 689 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: just a small world, you do learn more, and you 690 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: do gain that empathy, and you do gain that knowledge. Yeah, 691 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: and it's it's okay if you are the kind of 692 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: person who has always lived where you've lived, but understand 693 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: that that is not the world. That's not the world. 694 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: And the second thing you need to engage with is 695 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: not just yourself and not just ask yourself those hard questions. 696 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: Engage with those relatives of yours. It's really difficult. But 697 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: not not just the relatives, is engaged with what you 698 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: see other people, external people that are in your life. 699 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: That's say that funck up thing, that's say that racist thing, 700 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: that do that racist thing that that indicate that racist behavior. 701 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: Tell them you will lose me if you continue to 702 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: behavior this way. I've had it, I personally me, Matt 703 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: Rogers have had it. I am not dealing with that 704 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: racist behavior anymore. It is dead to me. I mean, 705 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: we're just I think in thinking that statements, I think 706 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: we're I think hopefully people can understand that we're just 707 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: asking um for our listeners to hold themselves accountable, hold 708 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: their loved ones accountable, and we promise we will hold 709 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: ourselves accountable to you and to this movement and to 710 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: mutual aid and to the greater good of this moment. 711 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to use the word greater good 712 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: because the people who use that word often end up 713 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: being m hedemonic white people who like to go back 714 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: to the good old days or whatever. But it's like 715 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: we promised to do better, to call each other in 716 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 1: slash out when if and when and they will and 717 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: if and when sort of these instances happen again. Um, 718 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about how quickly and comfortably and 719 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: nimbly we've sort of like kind of bartered in like 720 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: black female language. And you know, I this is just 721 00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: I know this is an uncomfortable thing for us to 722 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: talk about, MAP, but it's like, this is just something 723 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,439 Speaker 1: that I've thought about between you and I, and it's 724 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: just like, and I'm sorry to air this out publicly, 725 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: but it's like that's something that you and I have 726 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: to keep an awareness for. And I'm just I'm just 727 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: sort of saying this to you now as a way 728 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 1: to hold each other accountable to everybody, everybody. It's important. Yeah. Also, 729 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: when you speak of the good old days, let's just 730 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: say right now that that they were there were never 731 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: good old days. There were good old days for for you, 732 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: the white person, you know what I mean, Like there 733 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: were good old days for you the ignorant non black person, 734 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like this is this is 735 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: not And that's another thing is a lot of people 736 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: are they think that this has come out of nowhere. 737 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: This is not going out of nowhere. This is just 738 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's Will Smith said, it's like racism 739 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: is not getting worse, it's getting filmed. It's getting filmed. 740 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: I saw that. That's you know, that's that's where this 741 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: comes from. In regard to the way that we behave, 742 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: what I would say is I think that there is 743 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot to being queer and trying 744 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: to find identity and trying to find the way that 745 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: you want to express yourself. And sometimes the prism through 746 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: which we refract that identity is an established vocabulary, one 747 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: that seems one that seems very fun and very exciting, 748 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: um and very like adaptive and cool and dynamic, and 749 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: it always changes and there's always something new. But we 750 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: have to I'm but I'm you know, we have to 751 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: recognize that that is not something that is for us 752 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: is for us, or I mean, except for except for 753 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: the times when it's like, you know, a catchphrase that 754 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 1: Matt himself will come up truly independently and it's beautiful. 755 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: But like you know, when whenever Matt need goes, let's go, 756 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: I said, like that, it's like, I don't know, as 757 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: opposed to like other times when it's like I mean, 758 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about digital black face, where people just 759 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: use gifts of like nemi leaks and shed like a 760 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: white person will use the gift of nemi leaks too, 761 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,959 Speaker 1: like eyebrow rais or something. I'm just like, oh yeah, 762 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 1: Like that is a seemingly innocuous microaggression. Let's say to 763 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: to like unearth a term that we just eulogized twenty 764 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: minutes ago. But it's like but that, but but now 765 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: we're just realizing that none of that is nuanced, none 766 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: of that is actually innocuous or um harmless. It's all harmful. 767 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: And I think that there's gonna be a lot of 768 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: people that listen to this right now, this conversation and think, Okay, 769 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: they are overdoing it. That is actually part of the 770 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: way you get better at this everyone is you have 771 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: to over analyze this type of thing. You have to 772 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: really analyze your behavior to to bring it to a 773 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 1: place of acceptability. And maybe you don't, maybe you Matt 774 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: Rodgers don't agree with me on this point that I'm raising, 775 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: But it's like, but that's the thing that we're sort 776 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: of negotiating to right It's like, I'm i be over 777 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: correcting in a way, But it's it's it's better to 778 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: overcorrect because you're at least at least then you're getting 779 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: into a place where it's correct dead, do you know 780 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: what I mean? Better to err on the side of 781 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: empathy and responsibility and accountability than allowing it to you know, 782 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of the thing of like when someone tweets 783 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: something and it gets liked, well, it must have been 784 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: good or useful, not true. And when you say something 785 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: and it gets laughs, then that must have been funny 786 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: or useful or good, not true. And so that's why 787 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: I do believe there is a lot of validity and 788 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: what you're saying about, you know, doing that hard work 789 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: of really deeply analyzing where you got something, why you're 790 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: doing the thing that you're doing. There's a there's a 791 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 1: lot to examine there, and what you're saying. For sure, 792 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: the conversation between you and ice friends is like someone 793 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 1: engaging in productive as far as building towards accountability. Right. Ultimately, 794 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: what we really just need, I think, and what I've 795 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: what I've really looked inward about and what I've been 796 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: talking about is just the acknowledgement that there's something extremely 797 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: wrong with the world, that the way it is, and 798 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: that's why we stop everything, and that's why your protest 799 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: and I just of course I want to live in 800 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,799 Speaker 1: a world where people are allowed to protest, get their 801 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: get get their feelings out there, make people understand, make 802 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: people heard. And I think that there's a force coming 803 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: back at us right now, which is a lot of 804 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: people in this country and the systems in this in 805 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: this country that are in place that are stopping that 806 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: from happening. And I think that on this podcast today, 807 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: right here, right now, what's important for us to say, 808 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: and I hope this is clear, is that we do 809 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: hear you, and we are furious alongside you and black 810 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,919 Speaker 1: lives matter, and that we are going to be part 811 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: of that change and we are going to be part 812 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: of the work and it will change no matter what. 813 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: And it's not lost on us as queer people as 814 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: we are. This is the first episode we're gonna be 815 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: doing in Pride Month that the reason why we even 816 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: have rights to begin with is because if there was 817 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: a brick throne. So let's not pretend like you know 818 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: something that's you know, the Pride Month is celebrated in 819 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: elementary school classrooms nowadays. Okay, so let's not pretend that 820 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,359 Speaker 1: like that didn't start in a quote unquote violent way 821 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: or a physical way, because it did. It did not 822 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,359 Speaker 1: start as a parade. It started as a riot and 823 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: started by people who ended up being marginalized again to 824 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,759 Speaker 1: this day by black trans women that just enter in 825 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: the way that we've talked about we're issues after marriage equality. 826 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: It's like somehow it recentered on sister under white men. Yeah, 827 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: it became you know, gay rights was spoken about by 828 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,800 Speaker 1: white gaze. The face of gay rights were white gays 829 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: or um, you know, gorgeous white lesbians, you know what 830 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,799 Speaker 1: I mean, like, and that I think has a lot 831 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that gay rights had to 832 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: be marketed to white men, and who are white men 833 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: gonna listen to white men? And I think that's why 834 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: we have the sort of rollout of rights the way 835 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: we've had, you know what I mean, like or the 836 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: visibility has rolled out the way it has, Like it 837 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: took years and years, Like when people started talking about 838 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: gay rights, they were not talking about like I mean 839 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: even in two thousand and seven, two eight, whenever. It 840 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: was when we were at the end of high school 841 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: and there started to be some kids in class that 842 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: were like, actually, I think gay people should get married. 843 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, so you could say that same kid who 844 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: was in support of gay rights, what about trans and 845 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: that that kid would be like no, no, no, no, 846 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: no, no no no no no. You know what I mean. 847 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: It's work that we have to constantly be doing because 848 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make sense that you would say that, 849 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 1: but you do. You did say that, and we did 850 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,399 Speaker 1: say that because that's what we were conditioned to do. 851 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: And it's about unlearning that, understanding the hypocrisy and that 852 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: and there's still there's so much too and learn because 853 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: so much is static. In this particular conversation today, is 854 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: that we're having echoes of protests that happened fifty years ago, 855 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: that happened twenty years ago. It's it's it's just tickets 856 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,839 Speaker 1: taken for granted, that it's thematically, that it's just repetitive, 857 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,479 Speaker 1: that it's just it's just amount to live at this point. Yeah, 858 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: I just I just I just want to emphasize that, um, 859 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: we are not at all interested in any sort of 860 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: optical version of ally ship. I mean, we realized that 861 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,839 Speaker 1: we're aware of this platform, and that's what we're sort 862 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: of intended, and that that's what we're putting our intention 863 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: behind right now with this episode. But this is this, 864 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: this is earnest. We're we're we're we're talking about action here, 865 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: so we're talking about accountability. We're talking about um holding 866 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: ourselves accountable. So I hope, I hope everyone can join us, 867 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: and by all means, if you turn this off an 868 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: hour ago to go listen to a black voice speak 869 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: on this issue, good please God. And I also want 870 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 1: to really encourage everyone that is sharing things on social 871 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: media share, share a black voice, amplify a black voice, 872 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: don't retweet whoever, don't readtweet Ellen, don't retweet, you know, 873 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: amplify black voices during this time. And I just it's let's, 874 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, let's really think about the things that work 875 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 1: can assuming where they're coming from, because there's agendas all 876 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: over the place. I mean, in the media is a mess, 877 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: and that's a whole other issue. The media is a 878 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: mess and has interests, has interest in other places than 879 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: just your knowledge, and that is that is another system 880 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: that is broken. And this is what I mean when 881 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,880 Speaker 1: I say it has to start with us, because you 882 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: can't look to anyone in mainstream news really and really 883 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: trust where that is coming from. You certainly can't look 884 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: to our elected leaders, not all of them, and trust 885 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 1: that they have that they don't have their hands tied 886 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: up in something. We have to do this ourselves based 887 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: on what is right and what is wrong. And that's 888 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: really important, I think is don't wait to be told 889 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: what to do. You know what's right and wrong. Go 890 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: with yourself, but but receptive to other people, UM guiding 891 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 1: you along that journey. So at at about this time 892 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: in the podcast, um, we would do I don't think so, honey, 893 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 1: And we're not going to do that. I think that instead, 894 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 1: what I would encourage everyone to do is to take 895 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: the next two minutes that Bowen and I wouldn't ordinarily 896 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: take to do I don't think so, honey, and donate 897 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: however much you can to one of those organizations that 898 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,439 Speaker 1: I listed before, those groups that I listed before. Take 899 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: that time. When did we ever pretend to not be 900 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,320 Speaker 1: who we are? You know what I mean? Like? Everyone 901 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,960 Speaker 1: lose the ego? Lose the ego? Um? Okay, well that 902 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 1: this is this is this is feeling in about two 903 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,879 Speaker 1: minutes of time anyway, So well here, how about this? 904 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:53,919 Speaker 1: What George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Ahmad are Very Tamir, Rice 905 00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin, Oscar Grant, Eric Garner, Fialando Castile, Samuel de Bos, 906 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:11,959 Speaker 1: Sandra Bland, Walter Scott, Terrence Crutcher. Say their names, Um, 907 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: it's I guarantee you it will sort of steal something 908 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: in you, in your soul once you say those names. 909 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't, I'm sure a lot of 910 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: people have, but um, you know, learned their stories and 911 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: understand who they were. That front page of the New 912 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: York Times a couple of weeks ago that was um 913 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: had listed all the deaths from COVID. That was beyond 914 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: moving to me because it didn't say just the name 915 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: of the age. It said name age. It said had 916 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: an easy laugh. Name age always said hello to everyone. 917 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: These are human beings. These are human beings that deserve 918 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: to be treated with the same respect and dignity, and 919 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: deserve safety, and deserve to be able to live their 920 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: life without worrying that they're going to have a police 921 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: officer step on their neck for eight minutes and the 922 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: last things they hear are the people around them screaming 923 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,880 Speaker 1: at that person to stop. It's crazy, and you've seen 924 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,760 Speaker 1: it with your eyes, and you saw it years ago 925 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:28,640 Speaker 1: with Eric Garner. Nobody deserves this. This is a tragedy. 926 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: We are living in the middle of a death, a 927 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 1: nationwide death, and we have to save ourselves. We are 928 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 1: gasping for breath because that those people, they're us. We all, 929 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: we all have to do this together. This is unacceptable 930 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 1: and you have to start looking for reasons to let 931 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: yourself up the hook. If you hear that person say, well, 932 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been doing this, well they shouldn't have 933 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 1: been doing that. Really, look that person in the eyes 934 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: and say, but they deserve to die for it, for 935 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 1: selling cigarettes on the street. Are you kidding? Are you crazy? 936 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: These people have murder in their hearts, these cops. It's 937 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: sick that we It's a very sick disease. The way 938 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: we the way we address this is by fighting racist policy. 939 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:33,040 Speaker 1: And racist policy is abroad catch all for any process 940 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: or law written or unwritten that's endangers lives, creates an 941 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: equity based on race, and this is the thing police 942 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: are tool too and force social control. And it's not 943 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 1: just it's not just about not participating in these things. 944 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: Loudly denounced loudly call out, shut it down, shut it down. 945 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: You whatever your personal stay s are amount to absolutely 946 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: nothing compared to what is being fought for on the 947 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: streets right now. Absolutely think about that. Just just think 948 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: in those terms. If you can, I hope, I hope 949 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: you can absolutely and UM to everyone out there who 950 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 1: needs to hear this, we have your back. And I 951 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 1: apologize deeply and profoundly that it has taken me this 952 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: long to get this upset and this angry. But know 953 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,440 Speaker 1: that I am and I am committed to the change, 954 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and you can know that. And i'd really, like I 955 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: said before, I'm sure you felt the same way, Bowen. 956 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I just did not want to be a tweet anymore. 957 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 1: But this is the thing. It's it's a cumulative thing 958 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 1: because I I fucking lost it, lost it, lost it 959 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 1: when Eric Garner died, marched marched in downtown Manhattan that night, 960 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: um one of the nights, I should say, and just 961 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: thinking I remember thinking like I just remember feeling helpless 962 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 1: back then. But it's all cumulative because nothing has changed, 963 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,400 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. And this is my this is part 964 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,000 Speaker 1: of like what's calcified like mentally for me is like Okay, 965 01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: we need to like really really really focus on on 966 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: the action on the problem, which is policy. So this 967 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: is my thing. It's like the fact that de Blasio 968 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: did not lift a fucking finger, I mean, and and 969 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: then the officer who was fired, by the way, um 970 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't even fired by de Blasia. It was just 971 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 1: the precinct sort of whoever led the precinct with just 972 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: made the decision, like fucking what four years later last 973 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,320 Speaker 1: August to to to let him go after he wasn't 974 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,600 Speaker 1: connected of anything. It's like to Blasia, it's like, this 975 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 1: is this is the thing. The people who enforce enact 976 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 1: generate policy, racist policy are the ones that we should 977 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: hold accountable, Like that is the problem. I mean, obviously 978 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: we're all sort of making sure we're on the same 979 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: page behaviorally as like citizens and as people, as as 980 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,280 Speaker 1: as like accomplices and allies in the movement we direct 981 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 1: our attention. It's like, I I am, I'm kind of 982 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: already speaking for myself. I'm not really concerned with calling 983 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,480 Speaker 1: out someone's behavior on social media. They're not posting enough, 984 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: they're not you know, doing this, they're not doing that. 985 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: It's like that person is not responsible necessarily for racism 986 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: on the same scale that someone like de Blasio. Let's 987 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: just say, at least as a New York or like, 988 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,360 Speaker 1: let's say, like de Blasio is that we should be 989 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,880 Speaker 1: directing our energy at at people and things and institutions 990 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: that are generating racist policy. I have constant flashbacks to 991 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: to Eric, to Eric Garner. It's like nothing, nothing's changed. 992 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 1: It's been watched it. We watched it, repeat, we watched 993 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 1: it happened again. It just instead of instead of a 994 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,760 Speaker 1: hand around someone's neck, it was a foot. Me was 995 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:08,280 Speaker 1: in fucking knee something that you can completely control your 996 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: center of gravity on whatever. I don't even want to 997 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: talk about. It makes me sick. I was saying to 998 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Jared before. I was like the evil in someone's heart 999 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 1: that you have to have to put your knee on 1000 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the neck of another human being. It's it's it's the 1001 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 1: depths of evil. I cannot even understand. It's the depth, 1002 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: it's it's the darkest evil. And the people that would 1003 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 1: support and encourage a system and yes, I will say 1004 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Amy Cooper again, white women like that who would clutch 1005 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 1: their pearls and allow a system like that. Some white 1006 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton supporter who thinks they're better than that. That's 1007 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the denial that's built into racism. That's the denial that's 1008 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: built into racism. How could it be me? But I 1009 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,760 Speaker 1: do all these things, I I do this that the 1010 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: other thing it is you, it's us. Um. You want 1011 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: to know something fascinating. Um, at the start of COVID, 1012 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,560 Speaker 1: when there was kind of a spike in Uh. This 1013 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: is not to this is not to center the conversation 1014 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 1: on another racial group, but this is just this is 1015 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,600 Speaker 1: just a point. The point of making is this. Statistically, 1016 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: most of the perpetrators of Asian hate crimes during the 1017 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 1: beginnings of COVID and probably still um, were white women. Yeah, 1018 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,320 Speaker 1: white women were the ones like spitting in people's faces, 1019 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: in Asian people's faces, and like god, there's so many 1020 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: clips out of Australian ship of like these insane, insane, 1021 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: satanic seventeen year old fucking girls screaming, spewing fucking invective 1022 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 1: at Asian people and it's okay, Yeah, you can actually completely, 1023 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: completely so cleanly draw a straight line um from that 1024 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:13,440 Speaker 1: instance too. Just a general just a general white supremacy, 1025 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:19,120 Speaker 1: just a general mentality of colonialism where um it's about 1026 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: it's it's about dominating UM and and subordinating another culture. 1027 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,920 Speaker 1: That's it disgusting. So that's just disgusting. We're dealing with 1028 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: the same thing here, That's all I'm saying. It's it's 1029 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: it's obviously different scale, Like it's obviously a different scale. 1030 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: So I could not stop. I could not stop thinking 1031 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: about the Amy Cooper thing. I was like, she really 1032 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,120 Speaker 1: it might as well have been charged with attempted murder. 1033 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,240 Speaker 1: It was an attempted murder in my opinion, that is 1034 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,600 Speaker 1: what that was. She had malicious attempt. She weaponized her privilege, 1035 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: she weaponized that the call, she knew what the call 1036 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 1: meant and knowingly vocalized it. Disgusting. The most disgusting person 1037 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:03,960 Speaker 1: I've seen in quite some time now. In wrapping up, Yeah, 1038 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: hope now you've donated to something UM. I hope that 1039 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: you have. And again I just like to highlight act 1040 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,959 Speaker 1: blue dot com. You know you can go there and 1041 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 1: if you forward slash donate UM you can find many 1042 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: different bail funds UM to support. And I do think 1043 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 1: that that is something we should be taking an extra 1044 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,880 Speaker 1: look at because again we are in the middle of 1045 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: this pandemic and that is this could turn out to 1046 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,880 Speaker 1: be an even bigger tragedy. Please, I I know that 1047 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm giving. This isn't this is not a pat on 1048 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: my back either, But I am giving more than I 1049 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 1: have been comfortable giving, because that's that is what we 1050 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 1: must do. We we owe more than that, so much 1051 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:56,160 Speaker 1: more than that. I absolutely agree, Act Blue is um 1052 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,600 Speaker 1: a good a good sort of than you for that 1053 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,440 Speaker 1: bail split If you look, if you google bail split 1054 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: one word, UM, I think you are able to make 1055 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,480 Speaker 1: one donation and split that amount to various bail funds 1056 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,959 Speaker 1: throughout the country. UM. If that's also of interest. Boone 1057 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,560 Speaker 1: and I have a lot of love in our hearts 1058 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 1: and we want to We're sending all that love out 1059 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: with the message that we are working hard for what 1060 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,320 Speaker 1: it's worth. We have loved, we have a lot of 1061 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,720 Speaker 1: love in our hearts or whatever it's worth, for whatever 1062 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,240 Speaker 1: it's worth. I'm not and I'm not saying that to 1063 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: minimize what you just said, Map, but I'm saying, like, 1064 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's something that Um, it's an element of 1065 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 1: what we're It's the fuel for our motivation, it's the 1066 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,320 Speaker 1: fuel for our intentions. Sorry, God, I'm like, I'm just 1067 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: like all my words are blending together at this No. 1068 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean like, look, I don't like this wasn't a 1069 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 1: thing where we before this episode got together and we're like, 1070 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,280 Speaker 1: here's the right thing to say. No, no, no, you 1071 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we got on here and 1072 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: we're speaking from our hearts and we're speaking from our 1073 01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: position and our perspective, and what what what we're saying 1074 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 1: is we know that things have to change, and things 1075 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: have had to change, and we are arriving late to 1076 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,000 Speaker 1: this moment where we were, and we are employing the 1077 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,880 Speaker 1: people that may listen to us to really consider this 1078 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,960 Speaker 1: and give this the thought and the consideration that it deserves, 1079 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: which is all of your thought and consideration and your resources. 1080 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I've been sent a link to donation resources, pase have more, 1081 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles UM chapter of Black Lives Matter. We said, look, well, 1082 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: even I think when we released this episode, obviously will 1083 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:44,760 Speaker 1: be posting links to all of these organizations. So thank 1084 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 1: you to our epana for sending that linked to us 1085 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,439 Speaker 1: UM and we will be sure to signal boost all 1086 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: of those. And this is not the new tone of 1087 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,479 Speaker 1: the podcast, but understand that this is the This is 1088 01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: in a way that we can protest in a way, 1089 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 1: absolutely and it's necessary. It's absolutely necessary because this needs 1090 01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: to be shut down and changed and we will come 1091 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: back and we will be the lost cultural stass that 1092 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 1: you know and love. And we had a really fun 1093 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: episode plan today where we were going to talk a 1094 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 1: lot about drag Race, and you know what, shout out 1095 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,680 Speaker 1: to Jada Estence Hall. Shout out to Jada, because you 1096 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: did that and you were the only winner of that 1097 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,320 Speaker 1: show and it deserves and I'm so happy that you 1098 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: won it someone who brought their work ethic and lead 1099 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 1: without the entire time. And she said something beautiful about 1100 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: how you know her her portrayal on the show, it 1101 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,840 Speaker 1: kind of would almost appear like she was just only 1102 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,760 Speaker 1: a pageant queen, like she just wears beautiful dresses. But 1103 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,280 Speaker 1: she said beautifully that where she comes from, those things 1104 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,040 Speaker 1: are not are just something that she never would have 1105 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,879 Speaker 1: had access to. She had to make nice things for herself. 1106 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,840 Speaker 1: It's it's all about it's a beautiful story about sort 1107 01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: of self starting. And then on the finale net where 1108 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,800 Speaker 1: she talks abou out just her grandma and the movies 1109 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,559 Speaker 1: that they would want in her grandma, introducing her to 1110 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,479 Speaker 1: like Letz Taylor and Judy Garland and it's like and 1111 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,400 Speaker 1: how they'll clothes that Jada wears now are an homage 1112 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,679 Speaker 1: to those, to those experiences she shared with her grandma. 1113 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't beat that. You can't beat two 1114 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,080 Speaker 1: narratives like that. And those narratives were left out of 1115 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,519 Speaker 1: the show until the very end. Yes, and so we're 1116 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,759 Speaker 1: very proud of Jada Essence tall and we so Luca 1117 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,600 Speaker 1: rooted for her for day from day. She was the 1118 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,000 Speaker 1: only winner. She was the only winner, the only winner. 1119 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,840 Speaker 1: We'll talk about this more in depth, absolutely, Yeah, and 1120 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: we'll be We'll be back, y'all. It's just this, this, 1121 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: this is a necessary moment in time. Please change the 1122 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,920 Speaker 1: way that you have interacted with with this moment in time. 1123 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,880 Speaker 1: I know it feels far away from you because Dawn Television, 1124 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,720 Speaker 1: it's online, it's not it's inside you. And we have 1125 01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: to do this sucks. We have to be the change. Yeah. Well, 1126 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,840 Speaker 1: we love you very much. We do, and feel free 1127 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,599 Speaker 1: to reach out if you have thoughts, concerns. We will 1128 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,080 Speaker 1: do our best to respond. I opened up d M 1129 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,639 Speaker 1: s um at the beginning of the outbreak to talk 1130 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: about Asian specific stuff. East Asian Asian specific stuff. UM. 1131 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,680 Speaker 1: I obviously don't have as much to contribute to this 1132 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: conversation in the way of personal experience, UM when it 1133 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,639 Speaker 1: comes to black experiences. But I'm happy to talk about stuff. 1134 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: If you heard something on this episode and want to 1135 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,599 Speaker 1: talk it out likewise to a to an extent, I mean, 1136 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna no, I get it, I get it. 1137 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: The d ms can get nuts. But of course, of 1138 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,599 Speaker 1: course willing to engage and get better and grow from 1139 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: this because what we have said is guaranteed not perfect. No, 1140 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,240 Speaker 1: of course not. But don't don't get what I'm saying 1141 01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:58,559 Speaker 1: is don't get m I d M s and say 1142 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,720 Speaker 1: Hashtag Team Crystal get the sunk out. Oh no, no, no, 1143 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: we don't want any of that. I don't care. Like 1144 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,439 Speaker 1: I tell you, I don't care. I don't care. Also, 1145 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,360 Speaker 1: if if if what this is what I'll say, If 1146 01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, if the one thing you 1147 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,599 Speaker 1: got from this conversation is no, never mind, if it's no, actually, 1148 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,760 Speaker 1: Hashtag Team Crystal, go fund yourself. Oh yeah, if you're 1149 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: gonna come in, if you're gonna come at us with 1150 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,759 Speaker 1: hashtag Team Crystal after all of this, now, you're done, 1151 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,800 Speaker 1: you're done. We'll be back. Y'all. Just take this moment. 1152 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Let's reflect, Let's examine that, examine that we love you. 1153 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,480 Speaker 1: We love you, Bye bye,