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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, what it is everyone on

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Speaker 1: this second of August twenty twenty three. High Hi there everyone.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas, and welcome. I'm nearly one

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Speaker 1: is Brian Campbell. And uh he's got many names, including

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Speaker 1: Captain of the household this week. What's up captain?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mister mom this week, Luke. But I'm doing a

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. You know, when your kids become teenagers, Luke,

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Speaker 2: And uh, I'm damn glad to be here when it

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Speaker 1: To prove it.

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Speaker 2: Period, end of story. No, not them, not that other

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Speaker 1: Let me see that shirt ain't frigging us.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, I've been I've been fired up to see how

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Speaker 1: in Combat nominated again for the fifteenth annual MMA Awards.

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Speaker 1: Out to you. There's just not enough tape on this one.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they have a common opponent. They both fought

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Speaker 1: Like you can can Rob Font jab have a high guard,

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Speaker 2: Right right now, Luke, our friends at Caesars have my

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Speaker 2: think we'll look back on Rob Font's run and talk

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Speaker 2: what's the word I'm looking for? Conversely, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: Corey Sandhagen. He has recovered from three very high profile

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Speaker 2: out for that when he when he went up against Jahan,

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Speaker 2: you and you couldn't find bigger fans of Sanagan's game

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Speaker 1: I think three things really stand out. Number one the wrestling.

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Speaker 1: go back to his cheeto verifight. I think I don't

432
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: know how many he had in the Veri fight, but

433
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 1: I know in the song you don Fight he had

434
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: fourteen attempted takedowns. I mean, just putting much more emphasis

435
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 1: on the diversity of his game, not spending long stretches

436
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: at range where it could go his way, it might

437
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: not go his way. He is putting things on his

438
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: terms in the striking department. I'll come back to that,

439
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: and then putting grappling into the mix, a lot of

440
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: top control, a lot of heavy ground and pound. It's

441
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: really making a difference. So that's one number two. I

442
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: just alluded to it. Much more striking on his terms.

443
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: He's going out there and doing the Volkanovsky thing, not

444
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: in the same way, but the basic idea being make

445
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: you undergo as many computations to figure out what he's

446
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: doing as possible, and then just overloading you by changing

447
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: the look, changing the stance, changing the target, changing the faint,

448
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff right where he's making you get confused

449
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: and he's landing on it. And then as I mentioned,

450
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: then he'll go into the rest the game so he

451
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have these pronounced bouts where you know he'll be

452
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: leading for two minutes and then take punches for two

453
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: minutes and he's got a really good chin. But now

454
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: he's defensively made himself vulnerable. He leads and puts the

455
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: fights on his term standing, mixes it up on the wrestling,

456
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: and then the whole round ends up going his way.

457
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: But the most important consideration I think of ALLBC is

458
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: just tending to his striking defense. The problem he was

459
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: having before was twofold one. We saw him like the T. J.

460
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: Dill Show fight, where he would accept being underneath and

461
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: then kind of fight from there, and that's just not

462
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: really going to be a winning strategy. It's gonna be

463
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 1: hard to win from guard against very very very very

464
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: good guys unless you have a super elite guard, which

465
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: is a good one, but not a super elite one.

466
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: So that he tightened that up. But on the striking thing,

467
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: because he was hard to hurt and he didn't mind

468
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: standing in there, he would invite certain forms of risk

469
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: in the distance he was occupying and he would get

470
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: lit up for it. Now he's much more on the outside.

471
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: He does come inside on his terms, he lands, and

472
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: then he's right back outside again. So he's just managing

473
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: the game much better now. I think the downside has

474
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: been BC. He was a much more of a knockout

475
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: threat earlier in his run than he has become of late.

476
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: But I think there's a good thing. There's a good

477
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: way to look at that one. It's resulting in better fights.

478
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: He's not getting hit as much more recently, and he's winning.

479
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. On top of it. BC,

480
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: I think once he settles into this style fully, it

481
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: will become more dangerous with time. He just hasn't quite

482
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: got it all smoothed out yet. But to me, it's

483
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: just a much more intelligent approach. I'm not gonna fight

484
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: you on your terms. I'm just gonna fight you on mine.

485
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mix up the diversity of my striking game,

486
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mix up the diversity of my overall game,

487
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna win these rounds and I'm gonna win

488
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: these bouts. He's a tough guy to beat well.

489
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: I like that adjustment too, because when we talk about

490
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: him as a finisher and he can be with you know,

491
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: flying knees you don't see coming, just all all very

492
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: calculated stuff. It's harder to do that against the super elites. Luke.

493
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: It really is so you've got to be in a

494
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: position where if you're gonna go five rounds with the

495
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: super elites, you've got to be able to cut corners

496
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: and edge them in certain key ways that'll give you

497
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: the nut of the scorecards. So I like that evolution,

498
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: but I read the odds out and look, this is

499
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: Fot not only taking new opponent last minute, but agreeing

500
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: to a five round main event as opposed to a

501
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: three rounder. So when we realistically ascribe the chances Rob

502
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 2: Fott has in this fight, even though it's not an

503
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: apple in apples to apples comparison, When Josh Emmett, for example,

504
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: at featherweight fought Yeahyer recently, the idea was, you know,

505
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: Emmett could win this, but man doesn't have to go

506
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: his way. He's got a fight on the inside, bring

507
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: the fight onto his terms and land the big bomb.

508
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: Font more of the pure boxer with the big jab.

509
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: But are you giving Font more than that what we

510
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: gave Emmett the puncher's chance to pull this off, considering

511
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: last minute, five rounds, everything that goes into this matchup.

512
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, are you asking just basically what impact the

513
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: five rounds will have in either direction?

514
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: I guess I'm asking you, does Rob Font have a

515
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: puncher's chance in this or does he have a legitimate

516
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: chance to go out there and win a decision against

517
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: san Haagan and be the better fighter over twenty.

518
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: Five Yeah, that's a great one. I would say Sanhagan's

519
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: going to be beat hard to be beat over the

520
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: course of five rounds. This version of him, it's gonna

521
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: be very, very difficult. You got to put it on him.

522
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I really believe that, you know, I do think it's important. Like,

523
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: for example, you know one thing that may have served

524
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: him well against Cheeto Vera, and you're right, by the way,

525
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: like you know, san Haagen's fighting the Cheeto Veras of

526
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: the world. Like, good luck putting that guy away. It's

527
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: not going to be easy, right, But in this case,

528
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: we see Cheeto Vera at times was willing to go

529
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: for like leg locks early in that fight. You know,

530
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: so he again was making the Cory Sandagan era of

531
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: trying to fight underneath when you have a good skill

532
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: set but not a super elite one for a low

533
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: percentage style of fighting in modern MMA, and that ultimately

534
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: really served San Hagan's interest. I think Rob Font is

535
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: going to challenge that a lot more, you know, I

536
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: really do. I think he's gonna make that harder. I

537
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: also just think early in the fight you saw san

538
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Haagen leading and pushing Cheeto Vera back. You got they like,

539
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: let me just be as very clear as I can.

540
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: Be a massive ingredient to success in this fight is

541
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: gonna be pushing the other guy backwards. And again, that's

542
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: very true in a lot of MMA cases, but it's

543
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: really true in a case where guys are they can

544
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: counter punch, but they're much better leading behind their jab

545
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: or their combination work or some of that handwork they

546
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: do at distance. In the case of a guy like

547
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: sand Haagan, they're just gonna be better that way. In fact,

548
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: BC to that point, how did Rob font ultimately put

549
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: away Adrian Janez. No, Yes, they were striking a distance

550
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: and he was getting some good shots in while Adrian

551
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: was as well. But in the end, dude, it was

552
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: the collar tyme. The collar tyme, like right in the

553
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: middle there I can touch pull your neck, you're right

554
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: here in front of me. That's where he did his

555
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: best work. Dude, you're gonna have to do something like

556
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: that to beat Cory Sandhagan. I really believe it just

557
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of outpointing him on short notice against a guy

558
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: this now defensively sound much harder to do than it

559
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: was two three years ago, much harder.

560
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrestling, I don't know of how that's gonna factor

561
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: into this fight, Luca.

562
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: Let me read some to you, see, because I was

563
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: telling you earlier about how their statistically like really kind

564
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: of in line with each other. Listen to this, So

565
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: listens to striking odds. We'll get to the wrestling ones

566
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: just a second, but okay, strikes landing per minute for

567
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: Corey Sandhagan five point nine eight just short of six

568
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: right at six Rob Font six point four to six right, okay,

569
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: So that's pretty good striking accuracy forty four percent for

570
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: san Haagan forty six per Font. Now that's gonna be

571
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: a lot because they're, like, you know, they're kind of

572
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: they'll throw a fake punch to get you to move

573
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like a lot of that's intentionally for something else.

574
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really kind of mean what it means

575
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: in terms of the percentage being low. Strikes obsor per minute,

576
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it's a little high on both ends. Three point nine

577
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: for Corey Sanhagan four point zero three for Rob Font.

578
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: They eat a lot of shots defense fifty seven percent

579
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: fifty six percent in either case. So you can see

580
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: their numbers pretty close to one another in all the categories.

581
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: But you asked about the wrestling. Now again this is

582
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: overall and not just the last two fights. And in fact,

583
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: if we look, excuse me, if we look at san

584
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: Hagan here in his last two fights, as I mentioned,

585
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: against song Ya Doong, he attempted just a crazy amount

586
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: fourteen takedowns, only got the one, but against Marlon Vera

587
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: attempted twelve and got three. So it's a low percentage,

588
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: but he's constantly on you with it, and the ones

589
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: he got he held for some time. So takedowns per

590
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes point eight to nine for Sandagan, one point

591
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: zero one for Rob Font, take down accuracy twenty one

592
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: percent for Corey Sandhagen very low, thirty six percent for

593
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: Rob Font, and then takedown defense sixty four Corey Sanagen,

594
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 1: fifty five percent for Font. Submissions, Now there's a big

595
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: submission threat to the point three in point four respectively

596
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: in that direction. So to me, BC, over the course

597
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: of five rounds, you're probably gonna see a lot of

598
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: punches or feints or some kind of strikes from either

599
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: guy that don't amount to much because they are building

600
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: these larger kind of you know, camouflaging systems, and I

601
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: think you're gonna see, in the case of a guy

602
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: like sand Haagen, a lot of takedowns that don't go anywhere.

603
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: But he doesn't need that. He just needs just enough

604
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: to win the rounds. Put Font on the defensive, score

605
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: some ground and pound, add it up with judges, and

606
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: probably get his hand raised. Last note, Rob Font one

607
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: inch reach advantage at seventy one versus seventy Sure.

608
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: Sure, Luke, It's easy for us to say, and we

609
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: kind of did that even with the opponent change. If

610
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: Sanhagan wins here and that's three in a row since

611
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: that two fight losing skit against championship level, that it

612
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: ultimately probably means a title shot. But to break it

613
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: down a little bit more specifically and realistically, we've got

614
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: al Joe the champion taking on number two Sean O'Malley

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: this month, and you still have number one Morob demolished

616
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: Willy out there. So is there a scenario in your eyes,

617
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: a realistic one more realistic than just saying, hey, San Hagan,

618
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: you win this year? Back in there that the winner

619
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: of this fight may have to go through Morob to

620
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: get there, or do you think Morob has already established

621
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: himself a fight against the winner of that which could

622
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: be very complicated if it's it's his teammate, of course,

623
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: but like, where do you how do you feel like

624
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: that's going to get itself figured out? We have Shuto

625
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: at number three, who pulled out of a big fight.

626
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: We got some big matchups in this division this month.

627
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: How is this all going to play out? In your eyes?

628
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: My hunch is that you're gonna see Sterling at one

629
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: forty five. I'm gonna say, not totally, but almost no

630
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: matter what, Right, So let's go through it. If he wins,

631
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: and he beats Sean O'Malley, by the way, I think

632
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: at that point you have to start having conversations about

633
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: al Ja Maner Sterling's all time status at Bantamwait. I

634
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of folks aren't really ready for that conversation.

635
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: But if he beats Sean O'Malley and does it thoroughly,

636
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that those conversations need to start happening. We

637
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: can altimately decide where he ends up, but that would

638
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: be a remarkable achievement worthy of some serious consideration. That's

639
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: the first thing. And I think if he does that,

640
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: he's going to go to one forty five looking for Volkanovski.

641
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I really do. He's gonna be harder and harder for

642
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: a guy like this to make one thirty five as

643
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: he gets older. If he beats Sean O'Malley, might be

644
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the perfect time to go and see what fortunes are

645
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: available up at a different weight class. And if he loses,

646
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: but let's say it's viciously kiote or something, he might

647
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: just decide. Look, Morob's already here, I got KO'ed. You know,

648
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: he might want it back or whatever, but there's no

649
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: rematch clause to trigger. UFC might be like not willing

650
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: to give him anything after this, And in any case,

651
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: it's harder and harder to make one thirty five given

652
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: where he's at. Sou By the way our producer is saying,

653
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: he's already made comments about moving up after this fight,

654
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: I think he's ready to make room for Morob, And

655
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: what I think he's hoping to do is just do

656
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: it a way where he can hand the title back

657
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: to the division. And so this is what I think

658
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: is like likely to happen. It's probably I don't know

659
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: what the odds are. I am gonna pick Sterling probably

660
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: to beat O'Malley. I guess I can, you know, change

661
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: my pick late, but right now it's kind of how

662
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I feel. He's gonna move up and then the and

663
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: then if san Hagan wins this weekend, san Hagan Morob

664
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: for the vacant title, which, by the way, if you're

665
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna do it, yeah, exactly for a vacant title fight,

666
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: that's not the way you want to do it. But

667
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that's a very very worthy fight among very worthy contenders

668
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: at that time.

669
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: Sure, and look if it plays out where O'Malley should

670
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: dominate him, as you you know, elluded that as a

671
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: possibility him versus Morob would be an incredible title fight

672
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: with san Haagan looking to fight the winner if he

673
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: wins here, Rob Fon at number seven, wouldn't I don't

674
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: think it would afford him a big upset win here,

675
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, that level of advancement. But you're talking about

676
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: a guy who would really package together some very big

677
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: wins and situations where there was some doubt this one

678
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: with the last minute situation. So Rob Fonk gets a win. Hear, Luke,

679
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: He's there where he's always fought in scratch to try

680
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: to get to that elite circle of this division. And

681
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: it couldn't be any more impressive now when we talk

682
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: about the depth here. Now we'll see Umar eventually get

683
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: his shot. Hopefully he rebounds quickly, Luke and gets back there.

684
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: But what a time at one three five. I'm fired

685
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: up for Saturday, fired up for Boston. Yeah baby, yeah.

686
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: Right with that in mind, BC, let's talk about this

687
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: co main event because you and I were talking before

688
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm in agreement, Like, don't get me wrong,

689
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with San Haagen versus font Two thumbs up

690
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: from this guy. I think any fight fan would agree,

691
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: anyone who knows anything about MMA. Fantastic fight. I love it.

692
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: But if I'm just being candid saying it's a better fight.

693
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: But from a storyline perspective, I gotta tell you, Jessica

694
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Androge versus Tatiana Suarez, boy, that one has me super intrigued.

695
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: So Tatiana Suarez is finally back in action. She had

696
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: been gone for a long time. Her last fight prior

697
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: to well. She returned in February of this year. She

698
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: beat Montana de la Rosa in the second round via

699
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: a guillotine choke which she jumped on I think in

700
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: the middle of transition. But before that it had been

701
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen, she lost four years of her career

702
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: basically due to injuries, and then on top of that,

703
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: even more injuries than the rehabilitation process. It was a nightmare. BC,

704
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: it was a nightmare. But Suarez is not too old.

705
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: I think she's thirty three, which is still somewhere there.

706
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: She looked a little rusty but ultimately pretty good against

707
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Montana de la Rosa. But Jessica and Droge is a

708
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: different ball of wax. However, BC, She's coming into this

709
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: fight off of a two fight skid. She lost to

710
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Blanchefield where she kind of took it on short

711
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: notice and kind kind of got I want to say dominated,

712
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: but she got beat up in that one, and then

713
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: the Yon Shall nonfight where she lost inside of a round.

714
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Is she really the same person? BC? Set up the

715
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: stakes and the storyline For me here what matters the most?

716
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this. I love this. I think the

717
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: thing we're looking for the most is, particularly with Tatiana's comeback,

718
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: how she looks here at one fifteen. Her first fight

719
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: was purposely at one twenty five against Dale Rosa to

720
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: get her back in physically to the mix, but she

721
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: had been very ambitionous since saying, you know, I want

722
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: to come back to one fifteen. That's where she first

723
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: caught our eye on The Ultimate Fighter and really established

724
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: herself early as sort of a future title threat coming.

725
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I love this matchup, even though where their particular stocks

726
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: are at. The betting odds really show you what everyone believes,

727
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: and that's a minus four hundred betting favorite for Suarez,

728
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: which I do think is justified under the concerns with

729
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: Androge that we're talking about. Not only does the style

730
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: matchup really favor Suarez if she can take Androge down

731
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: and can really dominate in those areas, but if she can't,

732
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to see how she does striking wise

733
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: with one of the most potent finishers in women's mm

734
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: A history. But there is this potential luke, and I

735
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: think that's why she's a four to one favorite, that

736
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: things could go really south here for Androge. This is

737
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: a real sort of crossroads moment in my opinion, although

738
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: she's only thirty one, she's been in wars. I mean,

739
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: she's been across wars and multiple weight divisions as high

740
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: as one thirty five, and you consider I believe of

741
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: late she's really made some rough matchmaking decisions, some financially

742
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: viable ones, including taking Blansfield last minute and really almost

743
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: having a whole hum whatever happens happens attitude, which I

744
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: don't think was great, and then the quick rebound come

745
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: back against Seawanna on where she was absolutely blitz creaked

746
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: in a way similar to when Androge lost her title

747
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: in China to Jogweilee and came out, you know, recklessly

748
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: and was just sort of like the questions we asked

749
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: after Androge's last fight were to be very blunt, like

750
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: who are you and where are you going? Like what

751
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: is your motivation right now? And if it's not in

752
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: the right spot, she's gonna get absolutely steamrolled on the

753
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: ground and maybe even finished on the ground with heavy

754
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: ground and pound by Suarez, who is motivated huge for

755
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: this weight class, just has this iron will inside of her.

756
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: But Luke, if we are overvaluing the decline of andrage,

757
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: and if it was more situational, then this has, even

758
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: with the wide odds, a potential for some very interesting

759
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: theater because if Tatiana could take her down and just

760
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: dominate there, that's what's gonna happen. But if not, we

761
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: do have some striking questions that Tatiana Suarez needs to answer.

762
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: It wasn't perfectly, you know against Montana de la Rosa

763
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: perfectly on point that you would want to see. It

764
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: was more using her striking and big jab to try

765
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: to set up the takedowns, of which she sort of

766
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: just dominated in the same gear throughout that fight. I

767
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: need to see more from her, but I need to

768
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: see her do it at this smaller weight class against

769
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: the lugger who can make her pay for every reason

770
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: we just both stated I love this matchup, Luke. Do

771
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: you think it ends up going down the way the

772
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: odds makers believe it will though, because there are obvious

773
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: holes in Androge's game here that Suarez could completely fill

774
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: in and dominate.

775
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know you said it, but our

776
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: friends at Caesar's one more time, I guess to remind everyone.

777
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Minus four hundred for Suarez plus three hundred for Androge.

778
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: Why I gotta tell you that seems they got more

779
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: confidence in Suarez than I do. And I don't mean

780
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: to be like to say I don't have confidence in her.

781
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: I do believe she should be the favorite, and I

782
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: do believe she'll probably win. And I get I get

783
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: the notion that Androge is so everything seems unstable for her,

784
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: like changing weight classes and you know, you're just not

785
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: seeing the same kind of dominance earlier in her career

786
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: that you're seeing right now. Or sorry, you saw more

787
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: dominance earlier than you were seeing right now. I understand

788
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 1: some of the I get. I get why, I guess

789
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I get why Suarez is the favorite.

790
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: What I don't get is like, what did they see

791
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: in the Montana de la Rosa fight that gave them

792
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: the confidence that this would be a blowout. That part,

793
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: to me, it seems to me it'll be.

794
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: I don't think it's about her, Luke. I think the

795
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: odds placement.

796
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: Is about Androge.

797
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: It's about on Rodge. Obviously, it's about the style matchup.

798
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: And we can't lie here that Androge is not vulnerable

799
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: on the ground.

800
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: She is.

801
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: Look at what Valentina did to her. Good lord, but dude,

802
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: this is about Androge. Are you are you going, not coming,

803
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: or going? Like are you going? I mean, look, I

804
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: have legitimate questions for Androge about her commitment level to

805
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: be fair, really not about commitment level to be a

806
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: warrior and take fights, but about her focus and commitment

807
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: to the craft.

808
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Right yeah, I mean here's the thing, right, Like, I'm

809
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: kind of split on this one a little bit. On

810
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: the one hand, she lost on short notice to Aaron Blanchfield.

811
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: Gotta tell you, I don't hold that much against her.

812
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, that's you know, dude, Aaron Blanchfield is

813
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: probably going to be a champion and probably going to

814
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: be a champion sooner rather than later. Like losing to

815
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: a absolute banshee driving through and just demolishing the competition

816
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: on this like path of glory, she's blazing. Okay, I

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: mean that's not great, but that's not that's hardly like

818
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: qualifying and the Yon Shao non one wasn't great. But

819
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: Do Jon Chuna has improved massively, in fact, to the

820
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: point where after she won this one, we're talking about,

821
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, should she be in title fights, like should

822
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: she fight well Jean Wylie, and it's like that would

823
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: be a huge fight for China, to be a huge

824
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: fight for that division in women's MMA. Like that's so

825
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: she's not losing to chumps out there. She's losing to

826
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: good fighters, really good fighters. And the thing about Suarez

827
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: is though the Montana de la Rossa win was a

828
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: little and listen to words, I'm saying a little shaky,

829
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: but first fight back in four years, they gave her,

830
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I thought, an appropriate challenge for what she needed to do, uh,

831
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: to get to get right again. I expect her to

832
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: look much better this time. I don't say that that

833
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: performance is indicative of, you know, everything she's capable of.

834
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe that either. I think that would be ridiculous.

835
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, listen, we all know the stakes here.

836
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: If Suarez is able to get it down consistently, Androge

837
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: is going to be in trouble. And if it stays

838
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: on the feet, I would say Suarez is probably going

839
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: to be in trouble. It's striker versus grappler in a

840
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: very almost kind of simplistic way. It's just that Suarez

841
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: has looked so dombed in in at times and dude,

842
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: if Fuchs forget she went into that new Nes fight,

843
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: the the the the the excuse me, Nina Nounas, the

844
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: Nina Nunas.

845
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: Fight, Oh answer Nas, Yes gotcha, Yes.

846
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't I don't know the proper I don't

847
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: know if.

848
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: She's no, it's you got it? You know.

849
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I just sorry, Yeah, me too. Sorry. But the point

850
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make here is, you know, she got

851
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: banged up in that fight. She got injured in that fight.

852
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, her neck got messed up in that fight,

853
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: and it's like if that, I mean, what's to say

854
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: that that's not going to happen again. I mean, I'm

855
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: not I don't know the state of her physical condition,

856
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, if you've had these kinds

857
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: of injuries, throwing minus four hundred on someone seems a

858
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: little strong to me, a little presumptuous rather than a

859
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: little it's not as clarifying to me as as you

860
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: think it would be. I don't know. Maybe I'm being

861
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong about that, but.

862
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: Well you are, you are. Here's what you're being. To

863
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: be fair with you, Luke, I'm not saying Suarez in

864
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: that comeback fight against l Rosa showed just craft and

865
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, ironed out skill. I mean, look, she was

866
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: coming off like a four year layoff of stop and start.

867
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: But I think the way it played out was kind

868
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: of what her intention was. To dominate physically, to get

869
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: that wrestling back in year first and get her sea

870
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: legs under her, and she avoided any kind of big

871
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: time drama or damage and took care of it, but

872
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: didn't do so in this execution everything on point stature

873
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: that I think you're you're heavily doubting what she can

874
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: do back at one point fifteen, where the physicality, as

875
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: long as she makes the weight and can be comfortable

876
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: here again, is gonna be She's just gonna physically dominate

877
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: on Droge if it goes this way. But I really

878
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 2: need to see from Tatiana that striking and the evolution

879
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: of it that wasn't really there against Montana. I think

880
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: there's Vegas knows that she's probably likely to come out

881
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: work behind that jab and then take her down and

882
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: just whoop some mass. And I think this will be

883
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: the fight that'll make you a believer. Luke. Again, my

884
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: question is if Tatiana comes through and wins this with

885
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: the four to one odds. How far away is she

886
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: actually to a title shot? Because even though this division

887
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: is always deep in the top ten, there's a bunch

888
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: of people in this top ten who like just recently

889
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: gave birth, or are pregnant, or are not even in

890
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: this division anymore, or are going in the other direction.

891
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: There does seem to be an opening. Rose is gone,

892
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: Tisha's busy, Carl is busy, you know what I'm saying here.

893
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: Luke jan Shannan at number three had a standout win.

894
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: Of course number four Limos is gonna fight for the

895
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: title next. But are we one day gonna see Tatiana

896
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: versus Mackenzie Dern for this championship? I feel like that

897
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: that's gonna be in the distance. It's coming.

898
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Tatia Suarez currently at strawweight, it's sitting

899
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: at number ten Andradge sitting at five. Seems to me

900
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: that if Suarez wins this, she's gonna bump into the

901
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: top five. Now there gets a little crowded. It gets

902
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: a little crowded because you got a sparza. But she's out,

903
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, she had a kid. Congratulations to her, nama Unis.

904
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: We'll talk about in just a second. She may not

905
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: be really long for this division. That part is a

906
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: little bit unclear. Chonan kind of might be waiting on

907
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: a title fight to see what happens after Joan way

908
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Lee's next contest, And then of course there's a limotion Androge,

909
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, she she's gonna she'll probably

910
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: have one more after this, at a bare minimum. But

911
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: but I will say.

912
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: It would that one more be Mackenzie Durham because that's

913
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: a hell of a style matchup. If they get to that, Dude's.

914
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that would be an interesting one because drn

915
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: can take a punch, not necessarily the best on the feet,

916
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily the best on the wrestling, but if your Suarez,

917
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: you gotta be real careful about taking her down. That

918
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: could go super bad for you. So that might be

919
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: a really fun fight. I guess we'll have to see.

920
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: But Durn's still sitting at seven, Gingi Roba is sitting

921
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: at six. So again there's a little bit of like

922
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a lack of clarity and

923
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: then a congestion at the bottleneck at the top of

924
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: this division. But there's just no doubt it puts Suarez.

925
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: I would say at worst one went away from a

926
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: title fight. If she wins against Androge on Saturday, now, BC,

927
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: here's the kind of question you gotta ask yourself. If

928
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Androge loses, and let's say loses badly, like just gets

929
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: pounded out, easily taken down, pounded out, You're like, damn,

930
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: really like she was always so strong, so ferocious. What

931
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: would she do from there?

932
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the good news is, Luke,

933
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: she's you know, fought and scored knockouts in three different

934
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: weight classes, so she's always going to be around in

935
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: terms of opportunity and name value. But if this goes

936
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: the way the betters believe it will and as a

937
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: one sided stoppage loss, I mean she has devolved quickly, Luke,

938
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: And you can always hedge that by saying it's been

939
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: more about the power, and it's the setup of the

940
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: power and the puncher's chance and the fact that she

941
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: can physically is so strong. When she gets you in

942
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: the clinch or when she lands the bombs, the fight

943
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: can be over. But she's taken a lot of damage.

944
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: There's no question about that. And if she loses, I

945
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: mean that's dude, that's three in a row, and all

946
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: three if it goes the way they expect would have

947
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: She's in a really rough spot, Luke. She's in a

948
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: really rough spot. If she wants to keep trying to

949
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: reinvent herself. She's got the name and this division at

950
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: one pin fifteen is not as deep as it used

951
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: to be, as we just illustrated. But that would do it.

952
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: That would deal with damaging blow to her status as

953
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: one of the elites across multiple divisions. I just don't

954
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: think that's true anymore, Luke, right, you know what I mean?

955
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: And it's like, it's not the first time a slugger

956
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: who's limited in some of the more technical aspects of

957
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: the game can sort of hit this roadblock in their

958
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: early thirties. It happens, But you know, there has not

959
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: been an evolution to the parts of her game that

960
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: are not up to speed. And if she was at

961
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: the top of her game when she dropped Rose on

962
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: her head and surprised us by winning the championship, she

963
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: did remind us in that first title defense against Jong

964
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Waylee how quickly this whole thing can fall apart. Where

965
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: I don't think she had a good game plan, reckless

966
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: game plan, and just you know, there's too many moments

967
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: of that. There's too many moments of following people with

968
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: your hands down where your chin's not going to protect

969
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: you anymore. So this is a make or break fight

970
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: for her. She's been very active, Luke, but you actively

971
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: combine a bunch of losses in a row, you may

972
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: be the female cowboy, you know what I'm saying, and

973
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: inevitably be going in that. There's a big wretch. There's

974
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: a big close up opportunity here. For That's why I

975
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: love the matchmaking, because it really could go either way.

976
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: Okay, one more back to you. Let's go the other direction.

977
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: So let's say Suarez just can't get her down, just

978
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: can't get her down and then ultimately just gets absolutely

979
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: brutalized on the feet. Does she stick around the sport?

980
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: Do you think she retires, oh, Suarez? Yeah, she's not retiring, Luke.

981
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: And she's also not going to get brutalized in the

982
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: manner in which she said she's going.

983
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: To be a No. No, I'm not saying she is. I

984
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: am positing a scenario where that could happen.

985
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: She is, I mean, she is infused with determination. Right now,

986
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: it can't hurt being in a power couple with Patchy Mix,

987
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: who is coming the hell on across the global landscape

988
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: and the sport's deepest division. But even separate from that,

989
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: I have so much respect for the spirit that Suarez

990
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: has brought to one of the worst scenarios that we

991
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 2: see play out in big time sports, when somebody gets

992
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: to a certain level and then they can't their body

993
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: constantly betrays them. She has fought the good fight, stayed

994
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: the course. Uh yeah, look she's she's not she's not

995
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Okay, but to the top. It's happening. It's

996
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: really good. It's about to happen. Look, I'm telling you

997
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: right now, it's I don't even have a dog in

998
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: this fight. Okay, she'll win too.

999
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: I think she'll win too. But just for the purposes

1000
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: of the show, I try to imagine what it might

1001
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: be if something happens in either direction. That's all, Okay.

1002
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: See also in this card, it's some interesting ones. Justin

1003
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: Jacoby at two of five taken on Kennedy and z

1004
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: hqu the the He's the Brazilian trainer to a lot

1005
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: of the Mexican fighters, like Alexa Grosso Diego Lopez is

1006
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: back on this car taking on Gavin Tucker. Tanner Bosser

1007
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: got the extra fight he was looking for from the

1008
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: UFC against Alexa Kahmer. Ignacio Bahamundez takes on ludaviit Klein

1009
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Kyler Phillis, which, by the way, I'm still high on him.

1010
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: He's been going for a little while, but too.

1011
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: Far down that road. I got to stop you because

1012
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: I have a question for you. Does Tanner Boster, who

1013
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: has lost four or five, is he fighting to protect

1014
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: his job or is this that plus one bonus fight

1015
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: on the way out he got.

1016
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I think he's fighting to protect his job. I think

1017
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: with a big win here, he could probably stick around longer. Okay,

1018
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I think if he doesn't, ye, it's gonna

1019
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: be curtains for him. Yeah here is.

1020
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, But how about how about this Billy Q comeback

1021
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: this weekend? How about that?

1022
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: He indicated Billy Quarantillo on this taken on Damon Jackson.

1023
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Tough fight, tough fight for in both directions, Billy quarantill

1024
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: is going to give it to him. Damon Jackson. Were

1025
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: the odds on this one? Actually, I'd be curious to

1026
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: see that so let's see. Oh yeah, so they've got

1027
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Billy QBC our friends at Caesars have Billy Q as

1028
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: a slight favorite minus one seventy two to plus one

1029
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: forty five. I think I agree with that.

1030
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: He after around and found out against this just Jack

1031
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: to the gills, thirty seven year old version of Barbosa Luke,

1032
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: and I don't hold it against him, but if Billy

1033
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: C's gonna make the leap to the next level, we

1034
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: got to see something in this fight. We got to

1035
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: see that commitment to that craft. We know the dog

1036
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: is in there, Luke. The X rays came back, he

1037
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: was positive for K nine. Okay, the kid's got the

1038
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: dog in but I need a Billy Q level up

1039
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 2: in this fight. Let's do it here, all right.

1040
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, tough fight, Damon Jackson. You know he's lost to

1041
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: guys like Danny Gay and Eliot Tuporia, but he's beaten

1042
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot of other good guys like Pat Sabatini. So

1043
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: this is a tough contest I think in either direction

1044
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: for this one. BC also ode Osborne on this card

1045
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: for anyone who cares. But the bigger one for me

1046
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: is Kyler Phillips PC. Kyler Phillips. I'm been pretty high

1047
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: on only twenty eight years old. He's coming off the

1048
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Marcelo Rojo win did lose to Holley and Paiva back

1049
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. He's been gone for a while,

1050
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: he was supposed to haven't fought since twenty twenty two.

1051
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: Here he is back against how many Barcelos Barcellos currently

1052
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: coming off of the loss to Umar number Geminov, which

1053
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: you can understand, and actually has lost three of his

1054
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: last four, including to Ultimate Fighter member Timervaliev. So it's

1055
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: a good fight for Kyler Phillips. So I think it's

1056
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: been really talented, just needs to kind of put it

1057
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: all together. We'll see what he can do in this

1058
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: card as well. Which, by the way, it takes place

1059
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: at the Bridgetone Arena in Nashville, Tennessee.

1060
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: So happy we're not at the Apex. How would you

1061
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: grade this Fight Night card? Look, you give it like

1062
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: a solid S B minus.

1063
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: You do have to grate it on a curve because

1064
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: they lost one half of their main event. You're like

1065
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: a pretty big half of it too. They lost a

1066
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: Nimica made off on their okay, so give it a

1067
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: solid give it a solid B plus B something like that,

1068
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: because you have a very good main h you have

1069
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: a very good comine, and you don't have necessarily like

1070
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of bangers down there. But you don't have

1071
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of just drivel either. I don't feel like

1072
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: You've got some interesting names and some bouts that are

1073
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of important. So it's a BEE for me. B

1074
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: plus is a little strong, but a solid, solid, definitive B.

1075
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: And something happens when you put it in a full

1076
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: arenas in cities that aren't always you know, the first

1077
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: city to get chosen for a UFC fight card, you get,

1078
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: you get magic in the arena. So I'm happy to

1079
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: see them here. We're gonna see some of these fights

1080
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: on this undercard be the stories of the night, Luke

1081
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: as it breaks out. Okay, So I'm I'm actually a

1082
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: little bit excited about this.

1083
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: I like this, right. I gotta tell you what the

1084
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: more interesting fight in terms of what it means for

1085
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: business is that actually our next topic, topic number two,

1086
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: it's the return of Nate Diaz and it's the return

1087
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: of Jake Paul as they fight each other in a

1088
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: ten round main event from Dallas, Texas on Saturday, BC

1089
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: ready for this on dizone pay per view and also

1090
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: Dozone pay per view on ESPN plus. I want to

1091
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: come back to that because that's a really important story

1092
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: I think is not getting talked about enough. But this

1093
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: is where I would like to start this conversation. There's

1094
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: a Nate DS conversation, There's a Jake Paul conversation, and

1095
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: then there's this crossover boxing combination. And I don't really

1096
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: mean boxer versus MMA fighter. Although Jake Paul is a

1097
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: professional boxer who has won contest contest I thought he

1098
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: would lose and he ended up winning them, but nevertheless,

1099
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: not really a high level professional against a high level

1100
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: professional in boxing. So you have this crossover YouTube phenomenon.

1101
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong, BC. Here is my hunch,

1102
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: just my hunch. I don't think this YouTube boxing thing

1103
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: is done, but I do think that the it is

1104
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: pretty clear that some of the appetite for it is

1105
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: starting to slowly wind down. Do you agree? If so,

1106
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: why or why not?

1107
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I feel that was inevitable and we did

1108
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: say that from the beginning. Look this whole crossover carnival

1109
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: slash celebrity boxing bubble, which really really began with the

1110
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: Logan KSI series gained momentum when Mike Tyson and Roy

1111
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: Jones came back, when Triller arrived on the scene, throwing

1112
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: millions at everybody and blowing weed smoke in Al Bernstein's face,

1113
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: and when some of those kind of all merged together

1114
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: and we got Jake Paul versus Anderson silvera right, Floyd

1115
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: Mayweather versus Logan Paul. But it was inevitable that the

1116
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: air was going to come out of it. Some of

1117
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: that is for like you can only see a side

1118
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: of the road, you know, accident attraction a couple once

1119
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: or twice, all right, And ultimately, when the face of

1120
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: that bubble, which in this case has been Jake Paul,

1121
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: to his credit, when that person finally loses, as Jake

1122
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: did last time out, although by split decision against Tommy Fury,

1123
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: that certainly can be like, okay, but well what do

1124
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: you do next? Now? To your point, we've seen, especially

1125
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: on his own, a lot of these spinoff misfits, you know,

1126
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: the a lot of these spinoff promotional series that tell

1127
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: you there is still money in life. To the idea

1128
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: of putting popular influencers against each other at whatever level,

1129
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna get some notice. And I think we'd be

1130
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: naive to say that the recent announcement of KSI versus

1131
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Tommy Fury on the same car, that Logan Paul comes back,

1132
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: and maybe the idea that Logan fights the winner of

1133
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: that and also the inevitable end of the road cash

1134
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: out when Jake finally fights Ksi, there will be some

1135
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: level of care. But I think the closer we get

1136
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: to that, all of those care levels are gonna surround

1137
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: more people who are in it really only for the

1138
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: influencer side of it, the idea of us being like, well,

1139
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: what does Jake look like. It's a real boxer or

1140
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: what is you know, this famous UFC star with some

1141
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: juice left in the tank? What does it look like

1142
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: against Jake? That novelty is wearing off? And what's crazy, Luke,

1143
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: is that if this was, you know, a year and

1144
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: a half ago, two years ago, if Jake Paul had

1145
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: fought Nate Diaz in between the two Tyron Woodley fights,

1146
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: Let's say, if Nate had been able to get out

1147
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: of his contract at that time, when when the idea

1148
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: of Jake boxing Nate or Connor felt so taboo because

1149
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: they were under contract. You could really make the argument

1150
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: that it could have contended for the biggest combat sports

1151
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: e end of the year in terms of like pay

1152
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: per view buys and attention. But it's a year and

1153
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: a half, two years later, and Jake just lost, although

1154
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: he did knock down so called real fighter Tommy Fury

1155
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: in the last round, and you know, it was a

1156
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: competitive ish boxing match at the level they were at.

1157
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: I think would be a naive though, to not recognize

1158
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: the inevitability that we're we're running low on the overall fuel,

1159
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: like Luke. As much as I respect the novelty of

1160
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 2: this matchup, as much as I want to see Nate

1161
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: Diaz in a real box, you know, real ish boxing match,

1162
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: I lament for them that it's taken a little bit

1163
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: too long to get here in terms of the public's

1164
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 2: interest anymore. And the fact that Jake is coming off

1165
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: a loss, I wondered at first if that would if

1166
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: that would infuse this Nate Diaz contest to make it

1167
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: more interesting and more at face value, a competitive fight,

1168
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: because don't forget them. In the past year, we've been

1169
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: kind of saying, look, if he does fight Nate Man,

1170
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: Jake is a lot bigger than him. I just feel

1171
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: like we are entering this fight, which will still be

1172
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: pretty big, just missing that juice, and because it's already

1173
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: a sort of carnival crossover affair, it lacking. And this

1174
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: is the same criticism we gave, by the way, the

1175
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: initial press conference where they did it in front of

1176
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: an empty arena in Dallas and Nate kind of ripped

1177
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: them on stage, being like, where are the fans? It

1178
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: never quite got even with the Netflix dock that we're in,

1179
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: by the way, with Jake Paul, and even with the

1180
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: other sort of pre fight noise that you're hearing, they

1181
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: never quite hooked us. Yes there's a novelty, Yes there's

1182
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: the hey, what will Nate look like as a real boxer,

1183
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: But I don't think there's a real care level in

1184
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: terms of like what does this fight mean for either

1185
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: man's competitive combat future, or really this anticipation that it

1186
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: could be this even terms brawl. I don't say this

1187
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: because it's not on showtime, so we don't have to

1188
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: be on the front lines. Although I did have fun

1189
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: on a lot of that journey covering Jake on that level,

1190
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: I just feel like Luke not only is the air

1191
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: almost out of the balloon. I feel bad that this

1192
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: matchup doesn't have a certain amount of buzz that I

1193
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: expected it to have, And maybe that's because Jake never

1194
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: got in Nate's face and had a near skirmish and

1195
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: pushed a member of his team and did some of

1196
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: the kind of things that are normally there in a

1197
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: carnival crossover matchup to try to get your attention. This

1198
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: has attention and name value only, is really what I'm

1199
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: trying to say. And to your original question of the

1200
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: whole bubble, it's bursting and it was inevitable, Luke. They

1201
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: can win us back with a great fight, especially if

1202
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: it Gardners a rematch. But there's not a lot here

1203
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: entering Saturday. And I don't think that has anything to

1204
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: do with which network's putting it on or anything. It's

1205
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: just where we're at. We've kind of seen this. We've

1206
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: seen it, Luke, we've seen this shit.

1207
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember I forget which it was

1208
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: one of the Florida events. It may have been Camaru

1209
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: versus Jorge masvid All two where the maybe that's not it,

1210
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: but where the crowd was chanting F Jake, Paul F

1211
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: Jake Paul remember that, and DC got up in his

1212
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: face like when he was at Like there was a

1213
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: time folks may don't remember this anymore if you're new

1214
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: to the sport, but there was a time where like

1215
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: Mayweather was absolutely Floyd Mayweather was like the biggest villain

1216
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: in MMA because he would like talk trash about MMA

1217
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: fighters or MMA or you know, whatever you wanted to say,

1218
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: he would do it, and they hated it for him.

1219
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: And then he beat Connor and that was a big thing.

1220
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: And then for a while it was actually Jake Paul.

1221
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Jake Paul actually had done a pretty good job. Like

1222
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: the we talked about is that the fight he had

1223
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: picked was with MMA. People thought he had picked it

1224
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: with boxing, but no, it was with MMA, and that

1225
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: worked for a while too, And I do think it again,

1226
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I'm not like wishing, like

1227
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: nothing makes me happier than seeing Nate Diez get a bag.

1228
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: Whether he gets a win or not, I don't know,

1229
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: but he definitely gonna get a bag and for that

1230
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm quite grateful. But like, is Jake Paul in that

1231
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: same position in the MMA fan bases, He's still like

1232
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: this kind of like really reviled guy. Well, he's definitely

1233
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: not liked, but I don't know if he's reviled enough

1234
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: to be like the kind of thing where it's like

1235
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: you want to you definitely want to pay to see

1236
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Nate knock this guy out, especially after he beat Anderson,

1237
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: when I thought he wasn't going to do that and

1238
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: then he went and did it. So there's a little

1239
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: bit of that. But BC, I'm glad you brought this up.

1240
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: There's a bit of a broader conversation too about dezone.

1241
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: The zone is in an interesting and weird place, so

1242
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: like it looked, BC, if I'm getting any part of

1243
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: this wrong, tell me I'm getting it wrong, but I

1244
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: think I've got a decent beat on it. So like

1245
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: the zone, they don't have Canelo right now, they don't

1246
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of Ryan Garcia is at odds with

1247
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: Oscar de la Hoya, Like, who are the big stars

1248
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: that are fighting on his zone? There's not many of

1249
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: them KSI versus you mentioned Tommy Fiury. That's probably gonna

1250
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: be big for them. We can't lie. That's gonna be

1251
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: whatever audience that is, it's going to be a large one.

1252
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: And Jake Paul is back with them after doing like

1253
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: a short stind on ESPN. We did some of his

1254
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: fights on Showtime, and he did one before that with

1255
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: Zone and then Troller and all that stuff. But he's

1256
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: back with his owne. The Zones like all in on

1257
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: this stuff because do that. I don't think they have

1258
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot of big name fighters on their roster

1259
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: that can pull people over to that point. BC Jake

1260
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Paul is really helpful for them. But to expand their reach,

1261
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: They've now given their broadcast to ESPN Plus. You can

1262
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: buy the pay per view through that, and they're gonna, basically,

1263
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure, give some cut to ESPN in order to

1264
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: expand the reach that this fight ultimately has because obviously

1265
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fight fans in UFC fans who want

1266
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: to see the ideas are gonna have an ESPN Plus subscription.

1267
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: So this is a weird time for de Zone where

1268
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: they need a lot of this to work because I

1269
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: don't think they really have a whole lot else in

1270
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: the roster ready to go. What am I missing about that?

1271
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: No, I think you nailed it. This is an interesting development,

1272
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: you wonder. Look, there's been some talk at times since

1273
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Speaker 2: ESPN Plus launched if they would. You know, they acquired

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Speaker 2: big time rights right away, UFC Top extended their deal

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00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: with Top Rank Boxing. Now we got PFL on there,

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: but there was some time and talk at one point

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Speaker 2: would ESPN entertain this bringing on other people's pay per views?

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00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: But the standpoint of trying to make ESPN plus always

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Speaker 2: feel like the central home of combat where even if

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Speaker 2: you want to buy the competitor, you can still buy

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: it through them, which is an interesting move, really interesting,

1282
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: but it feels a little bit more desperate for de

1283
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: Zone and was this was the fact that that Tank

1284
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: versus Ryan fight, which was you know, agreed upon under

1285
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: very unique terms of which the Zone would be a

1286
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: part of the pay per view but not be helping

1287
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: and producing it, but would help distribute it. Did that

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Speaker 2: wake them up to the idea that maybe they need this,

1289
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: maybe they need more crossover exposure and to do that

1290
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Speaker 2: and they're not, as you know, invested in the idea

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Speaker 2: that we only want you to buy this pay per

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Speaker 2: view through us. I mean, that's an interesting thing for

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Speaker 2: their future, but it does the whole thing does bring

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00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: you back to this question, Luke of like, who is

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00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: this fight really for? Because again, if it was a

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Speaker 2: year or go. I like what you're saying. Nate was

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Speaker 2: the villain of I'm sorry, Jake was the villain of

1298
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: MMA where you just wanted to see, let's get all

1299
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: of our old heroes out and see if we could

1300
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: beat his ass. Well, we just saw him lose. So

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Speaker 2: what are like, who's watching this on Saturday? Luke right?

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01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: Us combat sports journalists? Yes? But who else is paying

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: for this on Saturday?

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: So I definitely feel like people who like Nate Diaz,

1305
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who like Nate Diaz,

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay for it. Jake Paul has a lot

1307
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: of haters, some will pay. Jake Paul has a lot

1308
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: of fans, some will pay. The question you have to

1309
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: ask yourself is are hardcore boxing fans going to tune in?

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You know, it's kind of funny.

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast with Scott Christ of

1312
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: Bad Left Hook, and he was making a point because

1313
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: like boxing fans were beating him up, being like, hey,

1314
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: why are you covering Jake Paul fights? What's wrong with you?

1315
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: And he's like, listen, if you guys would pay more

1316
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: attention to Immanuel Navarette fights I wouldn't have to, but

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01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: you don't, so they have to cover it, which is

1318
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: like fair point. If people paid more attention to pfall coverage,

1319
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: we'd give more of it. But y'all don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 1: So here we are talking about you know, Jake, Paul Will.

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: This is the question you have to ask yourself, aside

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01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: from the Paul fans, aside from the Das fans, is

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: there a sizeable enough MMA fans who want to pay

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: for this pay per view to see Nate Diaz. I

1325
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: think the answer is yes, I do. I do think that.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's going to be a gigantic bonanza.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be a respectable success, is what

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 2: Look Some of that comes down to how it's being

1330
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: promoted and why did Connor versus Nate one and two

1331
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: work so well because Connor was this loud mouth and

1332
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: Nate was the anti hero and it just fit perfectly.

1333
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: Can this work without what I criticized earlier, not having

1334
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: some incident to make this fight like a little bit

1335
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: more juicy. It's like, we know Nate won't go out

1336
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: of his way to sell things because he's just sort of,

1337
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: like I said, like the anti hero. But like you know,

1338
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: they put out a video of Ariel sitting down with

1339
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: these two under under a sort of face to face

1340
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: time show that I'm sure is coming out soon, and

1341
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: Nate just got up and walked out in the middle

1342
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: of it and got his car and drove away. And

1343
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: it's like, it's funny and it's on brand. But am

1344
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: I being too pro wrestling and too carnival? That's basically

1345
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: saying this, look part of why this fight works is

1346
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 2: because it is a carnival. It's missing the carnival hook

1347
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: to get us here. So I want to hear if

1348
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: you agree with that, And I also want you to

1349
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: follow up by answering this, what do you think is

1350
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: legitimately at stake for both men entering this one Saturday?

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Speaker 1: So I'll say this, Okay, let me start with the

1352
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: second part, the second question. First, like, what's at stake here?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the end of the world if

1354
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: Nate loses. To be honest with you, the oddsmakers don't

1355
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna win. And dude, like you know, his

1356
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: fan base, they want to see him win, obviously, but

1357
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: like they're not They're not with him, you know, oh,

1358
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: because you're on this Tom Brady like winning streak, like

1359
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Nate's had a lot of losses. They don't give a fuck.

1360
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Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck at all. You know, it

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: would be better if you want, obviously, but it won't

1362
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: be in any way detrimental. I think if he loses,

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: so he probably goes back to UFC. Whether there's enough

1364
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: energy for a Connor fight. If he gets like flatlined,

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: I think that could be interesting. But if he just loses,

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: like a decision or something, I don't really think that's

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01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: that big.

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Speaker 2: You don't see real fight promotions becoming a player in

1369
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: this scene, Luke, Is that what you're saying.

1370
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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it. I mean, I guess we'll see,

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I saw his brother promote a show.

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Speaker 1: It went fine, and then they didn't promote another one.

1373
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: So it's hard to say. But like the Jake Paul question,

1374
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: is actually a little more interesting. If he wins, he

1375
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: could get a KSI fight, he could get a Tommy

1376
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: Fury rematch, and those are again for whatever audience really

1377
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: wants to see that. It is a big one. I

1378
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it's our audience, but it's an audience.

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: I think he can keep doing it. But if he

1380
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: loses to Nate Diaz, you know, it's like, oh, well,

1381
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: he lost to Tommy Fury, who's young and a pro boxer.

1382
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: Now there's a question about his resume as well, but

1383
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: he's at least a young, big, strong pro boxer. If

1384
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: you lose to n Adas who's like close to forty

1385
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: and doesn't have any pro boxing experience, and you get like,

1386
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: let's say he gets stopped by Nate late or something, Yeah, dude,

1387
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: that might be the end of all the old Jake

1388
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: Paul experience a little bit, certainly at any kind of

1389
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: grand stage where people are like dying to see it,

1390
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: I think the consequences for a loss for him are

1391
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: much more dire than they are for Nate, like significantly so.

1392
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: And look, when you don't have what I'm asking for,

1393
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: which is some pro wrestling carnival moment, the reason why

1394
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: I think you need that is it it injects an

1395
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: element of storyline. They're not fighting for some kind of

1396
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: big prize. This isn't Nate's been held down and never

1397
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: got a payday, and this is the career definer like

1398
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: it is for Francis, right, that's not necessarily what this is.

1399
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: This also isn't in line with like Jake needs this

1400
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: to restore. Although I get what you're saying where maybe

1401
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 2: maybe if he loses here it's disastrous. But I think

1402
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: the kas I thing is inevitable down the road for

1403
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: influencers only anyway. But when you get a pro wrestling

1404
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: moment to set this up, then it adds kind of stakes.

1405
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, at the very least they hate each other.

1406
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: I feel like this is really missing that it really

1407
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: is, is Luke.

1408
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I think you know what. Sorry I didn't answer

1409
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: that part. I only answer the questions about the consequences.

1410
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right. There's a certain level of connectivity

1411
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: between them. They almost seem like two strangers passing in

1412
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: the night a little bit with this one. To your point,

1413
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: I saw the clip as well. He just walked out

1414
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: of the interview, you know. Tyron Woodley to me, built

1415
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: interest in the first fight they did, because that face

1416
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: off was or that that show whatever they call it,

1417
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: the face to face or I forget the I forget

1418
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: the name of it, but it built the fight like

1419
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: there was they had a rivalry, now they had a

1420
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: there was a relationship, you know, in essentially in the

1421
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: universe between them, it just feels like, you know, these

1422
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: guys have took a number and then they're just gonna

1423
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: find their numbers together for picked for a fight at

1424
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: the end of the week. Like there's not any there's

1425
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: not any rivalry being built here in a in a

1426
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: bigger way. And you know, we all know Diaz both

1427
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: Diaz is you know Nick Diaz no showing the Carlos

1428
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: Kandit press conference and Nate walking down on this one.

1429
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: This is something that they've have been known for for

1430
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: some time, and I think it endears them to the

1431
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: fans fair enough. I get that part too, like this

1432
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: is a different way of promoting. But at to b

1433
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: C's point, and BC, I agree with you. Have they

1434
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: built enough connectivity between them as a rivalry, as a story,

1435
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: as a relationship, I would say that probably not as

1436
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: much as they could have. Probably not as much as

1437
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: we have.

1438
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the actual matchup. It's gonna be

1439
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: a ten round fight, not a Nate Ronder And didn't

1440
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 2: I believe Nate pushed for that and Jake accepted. Luke

1441
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: our biggest whole you know, the thing that's holding me

1442
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: back is the fear that the combination of age and

1443
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: the fact that Nate, although yes we can say it

1444
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: ad nauseum, he used to spar with andre Ward. It's true,

1445
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: he says in the pre five videos he's never been

1446
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: handled before in a boxing room, you know, running around

1447
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: looking for good work I could have, you know, I

1448
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: assume that's probably true. He's a tough bastard, but he

1449
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: fought at one hundred and seventy pounds as his best weight,

1450
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, one p fifty five at times too. Jake's

1451
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: been fighting at anywhere between one and eighty five and

1452
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: basically two hundred pounds and is younger, bigger, stronger, and

1453
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: actually has more committed boxing experience. I mean he has

1454
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: upgraded his camp, Jake by adding Sugar Shane Mosley, the

1455
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. You still have jay le On Love,

1456
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: you still have bad Chad Dawson. Shout out Connecticut. You

1457
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: got some really good They go after really good aspiring partners. Yeah,

1458
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: BJ flor Is there's a lot. You know, Jake has

1459
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: done it right from that standpoint of showing us that

1460
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: he's taking it seriously and he's trying hard. Is their

1461
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 2: potential that this is an entertaining competitive fight, or is

1462
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: the size and age difference going to be going to

1463
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: really dictate what this looks like.

1464
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Again, here's my view on this. I would be surprised

1465
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: if Jake lost. I think it's I think it's on

1466
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: the table. I would think. I mean, I'm not like,

1467
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe it. That's not what

1468
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean. But to the point that BC's raising got

1469
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: less miles on him, has way more pro boxing experience,

1470
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: going to be the bigger guy, going to be the

1471
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: faster guy, probably gonna be the stronger guy. It's not

1472
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, it's not MMA, it's just boxing. You know,

1473
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: Nate's up against it. Here, what are the odds we see?

1474
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: Do we have the pro boxing odds on this one?

1475
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: Let me pull them up here. I'd be curious to

1476
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: see what they have. And I have never looked at

1477
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: the odds on this one. So they've got Nate Diaz

1478
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: and uh, can you find those? I don't.

1479
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is four hundred is Jake Paul plus three

1480
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: hundred is Nate Dia. I said not bad because I

1481
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: was because it's boxing. I was kind of expecting it

1482
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: to maybe even be wider. But do you find that disrespectful.

1483
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean he's a four to one favorite Jake Paul's.

1484
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: That's about right, that's probably about right. I mean they

1485
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: added the two extra rounds for they've been in. When

1486
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: it was initially announced, everyone knows it was an eight

1487
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: round fight, and then they made it ten. No doubt

1488
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: in my mind that favors Nate. I would say pretty strongly,

1489
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: that's gonna favorite Nate. You just know he's capable of

1490
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: late heroics in a fight for all the reasons aforementioned. Tough, durable,

1491
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: been there. But the miles do add up, the age

1492
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: does add up. This is not his oh it's his

1493
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: mary skill set. But dude, even MMA boxing is different

1494
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: than boxing boxing. They are not the same as oh,

1495
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: we're just taking away kicks and takedowns. No, you're the

1496
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: ranges changed, the weapons change, how you use them changes,

1497
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: the movement changes, like a lot of shit changes when

1498
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: you go to that. So that's not even really true either. It. Yes,

1499
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: I think Nate can win. I'd say his chances are

1500
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: low or not great anyway, I'll put it that way,

1501
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: lows of maybe a little bit strong, but not great

1502
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: and Jake should win this. So it just seems to

1503
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: me like, if you're really a Nate DS fan, I

1504
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: think you're just being honest with yourself. What he needs

1505
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: to do is not get too beat up in the

1506
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: middle portion of the fight and then really pressure the

1507
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: balls off of this guy later doing the same thing

1508
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: he did to Connor BC right up against him, up

1509
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: against the ropes, flurrying, combination work, catching him on the exit. Dude,

1510
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: is that a viable path to a victory? Well, he

1511
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: has to do enough of it, but yes, I do

1512
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: think that's a viable path to victory. It's just not

1513
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen early. It's not gonna happen probably even middle fight.

1514
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: It's gonna take Jake being stuck or tired in order

1515
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: for that to happen, which seems like it'll happen later

1516
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: if at all.

1517
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 2: Right, and it's like, if we're still leaning into the

1518
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: whole potential of well, hey, maybe Jake gasses out right,

1519
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: I think we might be kind of past that. He

1520
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: does have Larry Wade, who's a world class strength and

1521
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: conditioning trainer in the sport of boxing in his camp,

1522
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: and let's look at also this Luke even though obviously

1523
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 2: the DIAZ is what we always talk about is the

1524
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: is the cardiovascular depth in their triathloning on the side.

1525
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 2: But Nate Diez is oh in three in five round

1526
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: fights in the UFC, that's fifteen arm Sorry, it's twenty

1527
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: five minutes of fighting. This is a ten round boxing match,

1528
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: which is thirty minutes of fighting. And in fact, the

1529
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: only fight Nate has one that has gone beyond the

1530
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 2: third round was his fourth round stoppage of Tony Ferguson

1531
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 2: last time out, which was obviously just weird circumstances.

1532
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: Well, you mean he's three and five round decisions, because

1533
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: that means he was he would if he won the

1534
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: Ferguson one in a five round fight. That means that counts.

1535
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: That win count in a five round fight.

1536
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: For fights that have gone to the fights that have

1537
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: gone past the third round, he's owing three if they've

1538
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: gone the five round distance. Oh, I see, okay, And

1539
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: he the only time he's ever won a fight past

1540
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: the third round was that Ferguson stoppage. So I'm just

1541
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 2: wondering with the age. I don't know necessarily. Now, Look,

1542
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: Nate has more combat experience, which comes with the veteranship

1543
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: of of knowing how to not only manage your gas

1544
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 2: tank within crazy periods. But no one can recuperate themselves

1545
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: better than Nate, whether he's cut up or beat up

1546
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: or whatever. That's a factor potentially are But is it

1547
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: on the table that at this point, this many fights

1548
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: into his pro boxing career, that Jake is a threat

1549
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: to gas out if this goes into the eighth, ninth,

1550
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: to tenth rounds, Luke, I don't. I don't know if

1551
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 2: that to be. I don't know that to be as true.

1552
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're dude, They're not at elevation.

1553
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: They're going to be in Dallas, Texas. You know, it's

1554
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: one of those things like it's like could it happen? Sure,

1555
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Like you'd be foolish to be like, oh, that will

1556
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: never happen in a million years. Well famous last words.

1557
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: Things like that can happen. But if your team Diaz,

1558
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that they are, I'm just saying

1559
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: if you're a fan, Let's say a fan and team

1560
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: Daz and you're banking like, oh, he's gonna gas late,

1561
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: I think that's a unlikely path to victory. It will

1562
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: only happen if he's under extraordinary pressure and then eating

1563
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: punches in the sort of middle portion of that fight,

1564
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: like rounds four to eight, Those are gonna be the

1565
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: crucial rounds. But if it's if it's Nate on the

1566
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: back foot and it's Jake pressuring and then combination flowing

1567
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: and then getting out of there, it's gonna be a

1568
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: bad look for Nate, you know. I mean, that's gonna

1569
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: be tough to come back from that.

1570
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: Even though we are luke warm about this fight, I mean,

1571
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm watching it. I will be excited the night.

1572
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: I'll pay for it. I'm gonna buy it, by the way,

1573
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: fifty nine ninety nine, either de Zone or ESPN for

1574
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: pay per view.

1575
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: Fifty you will be enjoying your birthday. But I'll be

1576
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 2: doing the MK reaction. I mean, We're gonna cover it

1577
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: like it's legit. These are two of the biggest names

1578
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: of the last five years in combat sports. But even

1579
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: though I'm luke warm, Luke, there is a potential for

1580
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: a big moment that could not only break the Internet,

1581
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: but spin it forward. And I think that's if Nate

1582
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 2: Diaz can pull the upset. Like imagine a scenario in

1583
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: which he does exhaust Jake Paul that this actually becomes

1584
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: a two way war. And let's say he stops and

1585
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: exhausted Jake on his feet as the ref jumps in,

1586
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: how much will that break the internet? Because of the

1587
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: love for Nate. It would this be like one of

1588
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: the biggest wins of his career and would this drive

1589
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: a must see rematch if that scenario plays out?

1590
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: So I do think it would set up a rematch

1591
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: because I would be big at that point. I mean,

1592
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: I was saying, I'm saying it'd be like the end

1593
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: of Jake Paul, But like, now that you're saying it,

1594
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: maybe I should qualify some of that, especially if I'll

1595
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: say this, like, Okay, let's imagine a world where Jake

1596
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: beats his ass for six rounds and then Nate storms

1597
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: back in two and wins. Like then you do have

1598
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: enough to say if you're Jake, he could a rematch

1599
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: go differently. So you're asking what would the response be

1600
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: if Nate does something like that, gets his ass kicked

1601
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: for six rounds and then fucking stops him in just

1602
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: amazing Nate Diaz fashion. I think you'd see a lot

1603
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: of people being like, hell, yeah, so happy for Nate.

1604
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, He's gonna get that bag.

1605
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: Look at this, This is tremendous. You shut this guy

1606
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: up there again, there are still people who want to,

1607
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: like some MMA fighter to just shut Jake Paul's mouth.

1608
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: That part exists, not like it once did, but there's

1609
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: something of that. I think you'd get a lot of

1610
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: the same sentiment we saw for Francis, just without the

1611
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: same kind of people being like, oh well, he'll be

1612
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: a failure in PFL. Like you know, there are people

1613
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: that were happy for Francis to get the bag against

1614
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury something like that. The only thing it would

1615
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: do is just change the calculation of what he does next.

1616
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: Does he take a rematch? There might be a rematch clause,

1617
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: he might have to. What does it do to set

1618
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: up a Connor fight? Where's Connor going to be? It

1619
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: just kind of changes the calculation about what happens down

1620
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: the road. I don't know if it substantially changes. Like

1621
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: the legend of Nate Diaz. It adds to it, but

1622
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: it's already pretty big, the legend of Nate Diaz among

1623
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: MMA fans, man, it's pretty sterling. It's pretty great, Like

1624
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: there's this would this would add to it? I'm not

1625
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: gonna say like I wouldn't mean anything. I mean it

1626
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: would mean something, but losing it's the same kind of thing.

1627
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: It's like, would losing really take away from it? Not really?

1628
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: So if losing wouldn't really take away from it, winning

1629
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: can't add that much necessarily. So that's kind of where

1630
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: I come down. If you feel differently, say so.

1631
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: Hey, the this Zonne announced team is interesting. I kind

1632
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: of like it. It's Todd Grisham, Sean Porter, Ariel Halwane, Luke.

1633
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, dude, Seawan Porter is a good commentator. I

1634
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: was just with Ariel Todd Grisham. Happy to see him back.

1635
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely, so yeah, good for them.

1636
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: By the way, this card is like, I'm not going

1637
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: to break it down. Amana Serrano's fighting Heather Hardy. Heather

1638
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: hard is probably gonna get you know, hurt. I hate

1639
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: to say it.

1640
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: She's a nice lady, but unnecessary rematch Luke unnecessary.

1641
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: The only one that uh, there's two names, just to

1642
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: pay attention to. One of the guys is one of

1643
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's guys, H two o Ashton silv He seems

1644
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: to be pretty promising worth keeping an eye on him,

1645
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: and then we spoke to her. She on the Jake

1646
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: Paul Anderson Silva undercard Chadejah Green, she's real good.

1647
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1648
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: Checking on Olivia Curry.

1649
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 2: Here, you're college basketball stand out, Luke, who I believe

1650
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 2: has already secured a mandatory shot at a world title.

1651
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. And then Chris Avila taken on Jeremy Stevens.

1652
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: If that interests you.

1653
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't, Luke, Mikey's telling us we gotta go, we gotta.

1654
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: We gotta go. All right, So then we'll probably skip

1655
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: some of the later topics we had planned. We could

1656
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: put those on Friday BC. Let's just go to this

1657
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: one because I know this one will keep you interested.

1658
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: Rosanama Unis has admitted, well, I mean, let's just be honest,

1659
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We'll look at this pretty quickly here,

1660
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: b C.

1661
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: I like Lithuanian fighters, if that's what you're saying. Okay,

1662
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: but it's Modestus Bukowskis and it's rose and it's.

1663
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: Already let me get to it. So here's what she said,

1664
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: I think. In an interview with Ariel Halwani on The

1665
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: MMA Hour, she said about retirement yes, I definitely thought

1666
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: I was done for a good amount of time. There

1667
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: were a number of things, but the way I feel

1668
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: going into the locker room, I just didn't feel aggressive

1669
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: and I don't really want to hurt anybody. I was

1670
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I guess I'm done. There was definitely

1671
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of other factors that went into it. I

1672
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: think it was a spiritual thing. I kind of question

1673
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: if I wanted to keep going, if I wasn't really

1674
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: a part of the godly life. But then I came

1675
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: back around like, no, this is what God is calling

1676
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: me to do. He has kind of special gifts for everybody,

1677
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: and some people are warriors and some people are preachers.

1678
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've been gifted with the warrior spirit. I

1679
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of time left, but I know

1680
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: He's not finished with me. In this chamber, we see

1681
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: she's also talked about going to one to twenty five.

1682
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the whole thing. We have

1683
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: a picture. Let's show it to the audience here if

1684
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: we can about her potentially bulking up. Look at old Rose,

1685
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: So I guess I do it.

1686
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: Potentially she is bulking up. She will be taking a

1687
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 2: badass daring to be great fight against number one contender,

1688
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: h what's her name, Luken France. She's fighting Manoa Ferro.

1689
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 2: That's a hllacious fight. But there's the update on the

1690
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: uh on the on the rocks on those triceps there

1691
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 2: that that Rose is building. So Luke, let's let's talk

1692
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: about this because when you when she says, and I

1693
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: love the honesty, and Rose is always insanely honest. It's

1694
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: really it's part of why she's one of my favorite fighters, Luke,

1695
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 2: of all time, because of how her documentary really spelled

1696
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: it out, how honest she is about mental health, about

1697
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: everything that goes into this game and doing this. This

1698
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: is a bold ass move going up to this new

1699
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: dweight division, which right now is arguably deeper than the

1700
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: one she's been in, and fighting somebody who's on the

1701
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, verge of breaking out and potentially winning a title.

1702
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: When you hear the comments about the spirituality, making someone

1703
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: really question the violence aspect of this, that certainly is

1704
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 2: a red flag. You know it did. Look at what

1705
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: it did for Rory MacDonald in that regard. And I

1706
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: don't say look what it did as like a negative thing.

1707
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 2: That's a real life walk out that someone's doing internally

1708
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: spiritually in terms of like, do I want to do

1709
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 2: this anymore? Is this? Should I be doing this anymore?

1710
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 2: Heck hecks. As journalists, we have those introspective moments sometimes

1711
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 2: when there's an injury in the in the cage or

1712
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: the ring. But I think her taking those quotes at

1713
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 2: full value and seeing look at how she responded Luke. Admittedly,

1714
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 2: I just don't get what happened against a Sparsa in

1715
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: the rematch when she lost her title and basically fought

1716
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: as flat as possible, as flat and distant and non

1717
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: engaging as possible. I know what Pap Barry said about

1718
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: the almost the mental cycle of Rose, where it's like

1719
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: she can put together three amazing performances but there's always

1720
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: inevitably a fourth one that kind of the wheels fall

1721
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 2: off for different reasons. But the way she's responded to

1722
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 2: those real life feelings of should I retire? Am I done?

1723
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: Do I really want to do this? By chasing a

1724
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: matchup that probably scares her moving up in weight, facing

1725
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: somebody who is on fire on the verge of a title.

1726
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 2: I think that tells you that she has figured it

1727
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: out and that the fight is still there. But Luke,

1728
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: what I want to get from you, because I'm you know,

1729
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm a Rose super fan, I'm not partial here. Should

1730
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: we expect her on day one to be a legitimate

1731
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: threat to this one twenty five title? How much do

1732
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: you think the ten pound gain will change or alter

1733
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 2: her game in how in how she'll fare against the

1734
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 2: elite in this division?

1735
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: What a question that is. I kind of thought one

1736
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: point fifteen was really good for her because she is

1737
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: technical and you know, not a physical powerhouse, but strong enough.

1738
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, she got slamed in her head by

1739
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: Jessica and Dridge, but jess Gon Dridge was slamming people

1740
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: at one thirty five that she's gonna you know, that

1741
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: just comes with the territory with someone who's that extraordinarily powerful, right.

1742
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: I thought in general she had enough physical gifts to

1743
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: be competitive at one fifteen. Of course she won the title,

1744
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: and uh is one one of the best champions in

1745
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: that weight class one twenty five To me, like this

1746
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: ten pound seems like a lot, you know, for someone

1747
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: of her who's got like a thinly frame in that way.

1748
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: So this is really going to be a function of

1749
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: what the bulk does to her, And I just don't

1750
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: know what the answer that's going to be be. See

1751
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: because you can see like what she looks like in

1752
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: that photo doing like the pull down what was a

1753
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: tricip extension or whatever she's doing from there, she clearly

1754
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: is putting on like significant muscle. What does that do

1755
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,839
Speaker 1: to her speed? What does that do to her cardiovascular conditioning?

1756
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: What does that do to her flexibility? What does that

1757
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: do to all those things? I don't know. I don't

1758
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: know what that's gonna look like. And I feel like

1759
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: not that she's gonna put on ten pounds of muscle.

1760
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that's all. Ten pounds of muscle is like

1761
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: hard to put on quickly without steroids. It takes like

1762
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: a long time to put on ten pounds of muscle.

1763
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: So I don't think, you know, the body cop is

1764
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 1: going to allow her to do that. So it's probably

1765
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: like a few pounds of muscle and then the rest

1766
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: of something else. What does that do to her? I

1767
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I honestly don't know.

1768
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's this decision because I agree

1769
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: with you, that's the fear when you're adding this much

1770
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: muscle and when everything that she does is about the

1771
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: quickness of her incredible footwork and the jab and the

1772
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: way she sets up her boxing. I mean, it's brilliant.

1773
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: But the top of this division has Grosso Blanchefield, Chefchenko

1774
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,480
Speaker 2: who has evolved her ground games, Tyler and Tyler Santos.

1775
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean there are big, tall, long grapplers at the

1776
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: top of this you know, I mean not everybody tall

1777
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: and long. But there's the point that you get. Do

1778
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: you think this is her saying look, because look, if

1779
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 2: you read deeper into the aerial quotes, she basically said

1780
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: she's leaving this division because the current champion is way Lee.

1781
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 2: She already beat her twice. She doesn't feel like there's

1782
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: a lot there to have to go do it a

1783
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 2: third time. Even though I always corn to that and

1784
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: say you can build that trilogy as who's the best

1785
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 2: in this division's history. Let's find out now you have seen.

1786
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: Didn't want to, That's fine. I wonder if all this

1787
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: bulk is the idea that wrestling is gonna have to

1788
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: be a big part of what she does, or maybe

1789
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: she fears that she can be handled up there at

1790
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: the higher way clist.

1791
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really this is what I'm about

1792
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: to say is true for everyone, but I just feel

1793
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: like it's especially true for her. Where I thought she

1794
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: was physically outmatched by a lot of people at one fifteen,

1795
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: but not so physically outmatched that the rest of her

1796
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: skills couldn't get her to a championship level. But evidently

1797
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: that she did, Like she proved that she had enough

1798
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: physicality plus plenty of technical skill to close that gap.

1799
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: But going from that to one twenty five, it's like, Okay,

1800
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: you want to add enough muscle so that you're not

1801
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: overpowered so easily at one twenty five, but you don't

1802
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: want to add so much muscle a which takes a while.

1803
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: But more to that point, you don't want to add

1804
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: so much that it just changes who you are, you know,

1805
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: changes like what made you great, and maybe what makes

1806
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: you great is a very specific formula at a very

1807
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: specific weight class. Now John Jones, like, I mean, everyone's like, oh,

1808
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: he took three years. He didn't take three years. He

1809
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: probably took like eighteen months to really get where he

1810
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: wanted to, and then the rest of it was whatever

1811
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: it was. But you know, it takes a long time,

1812
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: and he really needed to because then you're going from

1813
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: two five to guys who are potentially two sixty five. Like,

1814
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: changing who you are is almost almost essential to getting

1815
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: that job done. In that way, This is not This

1816
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: is much more of a careful balance. Man. I don't know.

1817
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,440
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know, because the difference between the physicality

1818
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: and one twenty five to fifteen is real. And navigating

1819
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: that distance that spread while maintaining what makes you great, man,

1820
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: that's a tough that's a tough equation to get right

1821
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: for someone who I thought was on the slightly diminished

1822
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: end of physicality already at one fifteen.

1823
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, I echo it again, Luke. I believe that at

1824
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: this point in her career, at thirty one, this is

1825
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: the challenge that she needs to keep herself interested and

1826
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: motivated at this level. And I get at that. Let's

1827
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: keep in mind she she's off for she's been off

1828
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: for fifteen months, so there has been that time to

1829
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: start that process of building the body for this way

1830
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: class behind the scenes. I like that the promotion jumped

1831
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: at this opportunity and it is gonna match it up.

1832
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean, this division was already completely pulled a one

1833
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 2: eighty and has won us over the upset of Grosso,

1834
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, re shuffled the deck. We've got Grosso Chefchenko

1835
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: rematch for the title in September. You got Mono Faro

1836
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: at two, who's gonna fight Rose in Paris? You got

1837
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 2: Blancheil at three, who's gonna fight number four Tylers Santos

1838
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: in a badass fight, dude, I And then you've got

1839
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 2: those younger people on the rise, the Macy Barbers. I'm

1840
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: this is gonna this is gonna be a very interesting

1841
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: move here because I think, and I don't think you

1842
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: can disagree that Rose is one of the best fighters

1843
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: in the history of women's ever may Is this the

1844
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: beginning of a second chapter that that that really you know,

1845
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: puts her in that pantheon? Or are we gonna find

1846
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: out that this was the wrong move and this is

1847
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: the beginning of the end. This is a real I

1848
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: could not be more fun fired up for her against

1849
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: manon Ferro, the very very interesting fight.

1850
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: I'm excited Yah, huge steaks, and I do think she's

1851
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: one of the best fighters certainly in the in women's

1852
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: history in UFC in particular. And but this is a

1853
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: tough This is a tough change. Tough change no doubt

1854
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: about it.

1855
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 2: So we both end up divorced and down trodden, and

1856
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 2: our show doesn't, you know, falls apart or whatever. We

1857
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: be my pat Barry Luke and help me build a

1858
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 2: life come back, because you know I would.

1859
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: We can grow a garden out back, BCE and just

1860
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: be two. Yeah, you know, I think I.

1861
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: Think everybody needs a Pat Berry in their life. Luke,

1862
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 2: Can you please be mine?

1863
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: Please? Yeah? Yeah. If my wife leaves me, I'll help.

1864
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: We'll just we'll just eat frozen dinners every night and cry.

1865
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: All right, with that in mind, BC, let's spend the

1866
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: rest of the time having a little bit of fun here.

1867
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: I know we've got a lot of fan subs. I

1868
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: don't think we did one last week, or if we did,

1869
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: it was short. So let's get to it. Let's let's well,

1870
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: we have other stuff planned for the show. We'll punt

1871
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: it to Friday and we'll get it to you there.

1872
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: So Morning Combat at gmail dot com is the email address.

1873
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Mikey Mormel, our great CBS sports producers on the end

1874
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: of that tunnel. We don't see that shit, all right,

1875
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 2: all right, all right, but you send us your artwork,

1876
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: you send us the pics of you and your wife

1877
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: and tight T shirts. Yeah, this is called fan submissions.

1878
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: You've got Mayo fewers viewers, we got male viewers.

1879
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: This one's from K. Do you think that's male or female?

1880
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: Luke? Probably male?

1881
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: Kay says, Hey, this is Kay again. I was a

1882
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: male Luke. I went to Portugal the Man concert last

1883
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: minute on the twenty ninth in Philly, so I missed

1884
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: the fights. I figured it was only right to wrap MK.

1885
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: It was a fantastic show. They played for nearly three hours,

1886
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: and I even got to meet the Man himself, John Gorley,

1887
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: the lead singer, who actually recognized my MK shirt and laughed.

1888
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: He told me that BC has to come to a

1889
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: show soon and bring his kids. Luke, that is something

1890
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: we are currently working on. Me coming to a PTM show,

1891
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: bringing the kids, having the time of life. But shout

1892
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 2: out to John from PTM right there hooking up with

1893
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: KA and representing that's real, recognizing real right there.

1894
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: Luc That is awesome. That is super super cool, isn't

1895
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: that wild? Dude? Like Portugal the Man guy's gonna bring

1896
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: you back stage. I might go backstage with Cannibal Corpse

1897
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Like Small Dreams are coming threw Brian Campbell.

1898
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 2: I love it, man, and I couldn't. I couldn't go

1899
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Thursday night to that PTM show at New York's Radio

1900
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: City Music Hall. But Luke, they paid like twenty seven songs.

1901
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what a what a time?

1902
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Right?

1903
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well done, K You're a man now in

1904
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: my mind. This one's from Wes. He says, good morning, Donks.

1905
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: I've been listening to MK for five years, and this

1906
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: weekend was the first event for the UFC I attended

1907
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 2: in person. We live in Memphis, but we flew out

1908
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 2: to Salt Lake. I took my fiance and insisted that

1909
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: we buy some MK shirts and wear them proudly for

1910
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: the entire event. We had such a blast. The crowd

1911
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: was incredible and we saw some of the best fights

1912
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: of the year. Thank you guys for all you do. Luke,

1913
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: let's stay on this picture. Can you speak to the

1914
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 2: musculature of Wes and how good he looks in that

1915
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: medium he's wearing.

1916
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely wearing a medium on purpose, but he's

1917
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 1: cheesing like he just won the lottery. Probably did considering

1918
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: this This very you know, normal looking woman is in

1919
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: his life, and I mean normally, like as a compliment.

1920
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: She's a beautiful lady. Lets sea.

1921
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying, but I'm trying to be like,

1922
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he's bringing home some mutant

1923
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like this is a person you

1924
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: can bring home to mom. Obviously, so i'd be cheezing

1925
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: too if I was him. But uh yeah, it looks

1926
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: like he's been in the gym a little bit, no

1927
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: doubt about it.

1928
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but looks like let's see it's cable management before

1929
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 2: I'll annoying him as a real man.

1930
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 1: Right, I will say this. You can look at the

1931
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: coloring of the back. Dude, the UFC puts on an

1932
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: if you know what's weird on TV? The UFC shows

1933
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of all look the same, but in person there's

1934
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: definitely nothing. They look different in person, but like they

1935
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: do a good job of making the show if you

1936
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: attend it feel big, I guess is the way I

1937
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: would put it.

1938
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, shout out to Wes and his lovely lady.

1939
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Let's go on to Roberto, Hey Luke in BC. I

1940
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: wanted to share a special moment well rocking MK. This

1941
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: was the last picture I took with my Grandpa before

1942
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 2: he passed away. I made a promised him two years

1943
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 2: ago that I would bring my wife and kids to

1944
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: visit my hometown of Aguas Calientes, Mexico. Last week I

1945
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: was able to make good on that promise. Although he

1946
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: is not with us, it was a very special moment

1947
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: for me. Thanks for the great content, Donk for Life,

1948
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: Roberto Luke. Look at him with Grandpa representing that MK

1949
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: merch one point, zh, I'm honored by this to be

1950
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 2: to be very to be very blunt with you, I'm

1951
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 2: honored by this picture.

1952
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: Well, it's super super humbling that he would do this.

1953
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: And then also I get the place he's from is

1954
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 1: Aguas Caliente. Hot waters.

1955
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: Hot water, Yeah, hot water, that's where That's where I

1956
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: end up in Luke. Every time I karate chopped my hand,

1957
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I mean it happened. I

1958
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 2: apologize it did happen, though, Okay, let.

1959
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: That be no, yes, oh that's awesome. Yeah, well, shouts

1960
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: of that guy for doing that, and shouts to his boilo.

1961
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: He seemed like a one.

1962
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: I bet that guy was a badass, right his grandpa.

1963
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's always cool like seeing you know, I

1964
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: don't know how if you feel this way, but like,

1965
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: and I don't know where Aguas calient Caliente is, but

1966
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you know, I went to a

1967
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: wedding one for example, I went to a wedding one

1968
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: time in San Antonio. The guy was American and the

1969
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,480
Speaker 1: girl was American, but she also had Mexican family and ancestry.

1970
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: And then all her family came from Mexico and like

1971
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: they all came. I guess they were on I'm not

1972
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: sure where they were from specifically, but it wasn't too

1973
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: far from the border, and they all came with like

1974
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: those incredible suits but the bolo ties, and then they

1975
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: all had like rancher cowboy hats on at the same time.

1976
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: That's a look, man, that's a look like people who

1977
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 1: are either from either America or Mexico where that thing

1978
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: we're wearing it is like clearly part of who they are.

1979
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: It's a look. You know what I'm saying, Like, it's

1980
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: a it's badass, I dig it.

1981
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 2: So are so are people that look a little dubt

1982
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 2: wearing the American flag on their shirt. Look, it's a look, man,

1983
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: it's a it's a look style.

1984
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle. I agree, it's a Jan six lifestyle.

1985
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: I thought you were describing chops wedding there for a second. Look,

1986
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know you got invited to that?

1987
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Can you go to the next one? Please?

1988
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, Luke. That wasn't a bit or a skit. That

1989
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: was a real, a real reference to somebody. Okay, here

1990
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: you go. Uh this is from Connor. I don't have

1991
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: anything cool, he says, But I work out to you

1992
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 2: donks every single day. It does a lot to my

1993
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: mental health to work out listening to you. And yes,

1994
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 2: that's a twin stroller. Shout out to BC.

1995
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Damn, look at this. My man's got a bench, he's

1996
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: got a bar, he's got a he's got a rack.

1997
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: He can't really do pull ups in him because the

1998
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: ceiling is low. But got the dumbbells, the mats, the

1999
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: bosu ball, the kettle bell. He's got the weight tree.

2000
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: He's got the let's see, he's got the echo bike

2001
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 1: or some kind of aerodyne bike. He's got the tatami

2002
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: mats on the ground. Dude, you can, you can. He's

2003
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: got stay hard. That's that's BC watching pornography all day long.

2004
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.

2005
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's stick that back and the twin stroller. Lukey's

2006
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: a hashtag twin dad, I can I can get down

2007
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: with this father right here, all right?

2008
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And then he's got dude, here's the best

2009
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: part about it. He's got like fifty mats on the

2010
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: back of the right and like the old school chair

2011
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: that be like pro wrestlers used to hit each other with.

2012
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: And then on the other side of it, he's got

2013
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: a boombox from nineteen eighty three that the Fat Boys

2014
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: used to play in.

2015
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Radio raheem used to hold that on his shoulder, Luke,

2016
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 2: and that pizza joint. Yeah. Do you think, ultimately, Luke,

2017
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 2: that for all the times you've made fun of people's

2018
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 2: cable management, yet your office is a shamble of loose

2019
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: connected cables that this guy has figured out how to

2020
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 2: do it right.

2021
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: Well, no, because here's the difference. My office. I have

2022
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: to move everything around to shoot all the different things

2023
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: that I shoot. I can't have proper cableman, it just

2024
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And I do have proper cable management on

2025
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: my TV where everyone is like in the in the

2026
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,919
Speaker 1: in the communal areas of my house, the cable management

2027
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 1: is fire, So that's what I would say.

2028
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: There you go, Thank you Connor for sharing this piece

2029
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 2: with us. Stay hard. Indeed, let's go to DiStefano. He says, Hi,

2030
01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: Luke and BC. My name is pronounced d Stephano. I'm

2031
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: from Chicago and I'm back again. Although I was sad

2032
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,839
Speaker 2: we couldn't see you in Vegas this year, my girlfriend

2033
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: and I took our annual trip and she indulged me

2034
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: in my UFC two ninety plans. I made sure to

2035
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 2: rep MK with my favorite merch outside of the fans

2036
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 2: that shared trump on while wearing Zuck versus Musk shirts.

2037
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 2: It was a very fun night. I also attended UFC

2038
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 2: X and met Charles Olivera and later friend of the

2039
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: show Gilbert Burns. I love all the content you push out,

2040
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 2: have a great rest of your week, and can't wait

2041
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: for your Spence Crawford coverage. I hope you enjoyed that

2042
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: as well. Luke, what do you think about d Stefano,

2043
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Not just Dia Stefano, not just rocking out with these

2044
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 2: great fighters, but how good did he look in that

2045
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 2: bomber jacket there in the arena?

2046
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: See? Yeah? Also, you need it right. So like when

2047
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: you when you walk where you go to the slide

2048
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: with it where they are out front of the UFC sign,

2049
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the big the big sign. Yeah right there. Okay, so

2050
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: this is a place out front of T Mobile called

2051
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Toshiba Plaza. And let me just tell you if the

2052
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: sun is up in any capacity, it's eight thousand degrees there.

2053
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out. But then you

2054
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 1: go inside the T Mobile and it's freezing, so my

2055
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: man can't prepare. This is an experienced fight fan, and

2056
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad he had a good time.

2057
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: And I got to give respect to Dia Stefano's beautiful

2058
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 2: girlfriend there to put up with this to go to

2059
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 2: like like, look, my wife loves me and we've had

2060
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:23,480
Speaker 2: sixteen years of joy. She wouldn't step foot near a

2061
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 2: near a fight week okay, near an arena for a fight.

2062
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 2: She'd be like, yeah, get that issue away from me. Okay.

2063
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 2: She she pulls a Rob Thomas reaction to all that

2064
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 2: side of it, but that's fine.

2065
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: My wife even told me she's like, I'd go to

2066
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: a boxing fight, but I'm not going to an MMA fight.

2067
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 2: And I was like why, Wow, Wow, this is a

2068
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: lady who once rolled with Roxanne Mota Furry.

2069
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's not you know, I think just does

2070
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: not feeling it anymore. Just not feeling That's fair.

2071
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 2: That's fair. Let's hear from Matt. He says, Hey, bc

2072
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: BC asked me if if anyone would be watching both

2073
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 2: pay per views this weekend. I bought damn, damn. I

2074
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 2: bought a new TV just for Spence Crawl. Please excuse

2075
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 2: the cord management and the makeshift TV stand, Luke, how

2076
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: would you rate this setup for Saturday's Combat super Bowl.

2077
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's makeshift, so you can't hate too much. I

2078
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: think it's actually, all things considered, pretty good. The only

2079
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: thing I want to say is, can you imagine how

2080
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: much blood and semen has been trying to be washed

2081
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: out of that carpet? I mean, look at that.

2082
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 2: I don't think that was called for. I was gonna

2083
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: shout out the fact, but he left in the wood

2084
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,839
Speaker 2: paneling in the basement there. I love that. I've always

2085
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 2: loved that, Like retro baby Bunch. Look in some of

2086
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 2: these old houses, Luke. My dream is to buy one

2087
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: that needs updating and then never update it, so I can.

2088
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: Only I will say this, it's a little sterile and

2089
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: then he's got like the random chess board at the bottom.

2090
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's.

2091
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: A little strange. Also, again, how many murders have been

2092
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: committed on that carpet? God only knows.

2093
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 2: It looks fine, Luke, Okay, it looks fine.

2094
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: No, it does look fine. I'm saying it looks too fine.

2095
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, yes, they went, he

2096
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: went and scrubbed this thing to the nth degree before

2097
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: taking these photos. That's what I'm pointing out.

2098
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear from Leo. He says, I know that

2099
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 2: last week was rough with all the insane coverage. I

2100
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: for one thought Luke, even on three hours of sleeve,

2101
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: kept it together and looked super hyped up. Thank you

2102
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: guys for the spirit you bring to the show. And

2103
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm not doing a bit here. I'm so excited for

2104
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: that average Joe Art merch. Let us know when it's live. Ooh,

2105
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 2: stay tuned, maybe love y'all, it's Leo Luke. Leo is

2106
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 2: referencing I believe that Friday Morning MK show from your

2107
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: hotel room, which looked a lot like a bunker in

2108
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 2: Guantamino Bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that was my lovely room at the

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Speaker 1: Park MGM just sort of one knows, And dude, I

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Speaker 1: think I'm not kidding. I think last week not no joke,

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Speaker 1: the most I ever got on one night was probably

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Speaker 1: four hours of sleep. You know, that would be that

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01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: would be the high end, That would be the high watermp.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that happens in the People don't realize

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01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 2: the transition of flying to Vegas from the East coast

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01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 2: and then getting right out there in one hundred and

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01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 2: fifteen degree weather and executing your job while your mind

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Speaker 2: is still in mars is not easy, Luke. But especially like.

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Speaker 1: If it had, Dude, if it had been if it

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01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 1: had been like you know, PFL on Saturday and Spence Carford,

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01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: that'd be one thing. But it was Spence Crawford and

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01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: UFC two ninety one, which was a really big good card. Dude.

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Speaker 1: That was That was awful. That was tough. That was tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, Also I wanted to add that I forgot

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01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: what I was gonna add. Why don't we just keep

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01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 2: going here?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh? I was gonna say, they say, don't they say, Luke,

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01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 2: that a cigarette takes off five minutes at the end

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01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 2: of your life, A trip to Vegas covering a big

2132
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 2: fight week has to take off at least like a

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01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 2: couple months, maybe a full year per trip. You know

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01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 2: when when Luke Luke, do you think you'll die in

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01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 2: office as co host of MK or like long after?

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01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: So you know how Elvis died on the shitter right, Like,

2137
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, there's no doubt I'm dying in this chair.

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01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 1: My family knows it. I know it. Take out the

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01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: life insurance policy. I'm gonna be like some half assed

2140
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: stupid tweet that never got sent, just drooling and you know,

2141
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: and just defecating all myself as I die.

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01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully for your luck, you'll be going through so

2143
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 2: much technical difficulties that no one will actually notice that

2144
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: you've died. They just think, like the screen is frozen

2145
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 2: or something. You know, that'd be great, that'd be great,

2146
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 2: but you know you want to.

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01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: It's so true, dude. They like, I'll actually have a

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01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: little bit of dignity when I die, only because my

2149
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: stream will fail.

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01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 2: Yes, either that or the stream will still be live

2151
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 2: when the authorities come and put you on the stretcher

2152
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 2: and and like everybody will be watching from home, but

2153
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 2: your wife won't realize that you're live and then it'll

2154
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 2: be too much.

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01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: It'll be like they'll be like this, uh, this disgusting

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01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: looking man defecated on himself. Let's just get him out

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01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: of here now.

2158
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 2: Then you'll get demonetized because it's basically Faces of Death,

2159
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 2: you know, rebooted. Yeah, all right, let's hear from Matt.

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01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: He says, I mocked up a picture of BC and

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01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 2: Luke as elder statesman. I'm wondering if this makes Luke

2162
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 2: want to finally shave his beard. Love the show. Thanks

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01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: for everything, Matt from Canada.

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01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Dude, I look like, first of all, we just look

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Speaker 1: like we're getting married.

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01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, those two men right there have consummated. There's

2167
01:38:58,400 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: no question about it.

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Speaker 1: These two chem in, these two gentlemen love each other

2169
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: in a romantic way, with nothing wrong with that, but

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Speaker 1: that's just what it is. And dude, look, I mean

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01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: what am I Billy Bob Thornton. I mean, I just

2172
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 1: look horrendous here. You do kind of.

2173
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: Look like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: all right, we look happy. I mean we're both smiling.

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01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 2: Well, we're both getting some Luke. That's a difference. Just

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Speaker 2: happens to be with each other. I guess you do

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01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: become my Pat Barry at the end of life. So

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Speaker 2: that's good to know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, this is our future. BC. I'm just

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01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I'm that's where we're headed.

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01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 2: A couple more here, let's hear from Adam. He says.

2183
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 2: Some of us in the donk community have taken to

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01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 2: referring to LT as his truth bomb dropping alter ego

2185
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 2: Nuke Thomas. I've taken the liberty of whipping up an

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01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 2: alternate logo for Luke to use and abuse more freely

2187
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 2: than BC's overworked Captain Sully and Kobe references. Wow wow,

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01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 2: I got out here. Huh yeah, I got way more

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01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 2: overused jokes than those right. In all seriousness, love what

2190
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: you guys do and look forward to many more years

2191
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: of debauchery. Shout out to everyone in the MK discord

2192
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: YO later it's lazy bed at them.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let me just say it's very

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01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: nice that someone made this. It looks pretty cool. But

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01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm I need to just focus on my own things

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01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: and not not what other people are doing.

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01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 2: So I agree with you. Let's get off of Reddit.

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01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,719
Speaker 2: Luke let's just let's just stay at our own lane.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not on Reddit. I think you're on Reddit.

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01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Not anymore, Not anymore, Luke. Okay, I was there for

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Speaker 2: the comedy, not the hate. Just so you know. Final

2202
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 2: one is from Ethan. He says, Happy birthday, Brian. Hi, Luke,

2203
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: raw dog Thomas, Luke, what is this all about?

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01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: Segment is okay bent? We can't have the same picks, Luke. Okay,

2205
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm picking McKenzie Darren. Yep, I locked in my picks first.

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01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 1: That means you can't pick her. Okay, so who'd you pick?

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01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's funny because it's true, Luke.

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: It is so yeah, dude. You know, listen, I wish

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01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: I had a better excuse. I just don't. I just

2210
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: have a terrible excuse.

2211
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 2: You just don't.

2212
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: So I deserve that. I deserve that roasting. I deserve

2213
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: that roasting.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Morning Coombat at gmail dot com is the

2215
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 2: email address if you want to do this next week

2216
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 2: or Friday's dead wrong. Thank you to our fans for

2217
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 2: always dropping something fresh and new. And look, you heard

2218
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 2: it from the fans. They want an average Joe crossover

2219
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 2: merch compilation. They want it. They freaking want.

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01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: It, dude, they are probably we'll see, could get one soon.

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01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: I can't make any promises, but you know, the weather

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01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: is looking uh is looking nice?

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01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: Did you see Average Joe posted a pick of Arnold

2224
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Allen wearing that Pacer Allan workout shirts collaborated on.

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01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: That's amazing on him too, Yeah, it was really I'm

2226
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 1: glad for Arnold Allen. Great guy, really great guy. Glad

2227
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: to see something that's happened to a great guy in

2228
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: the fight game. You know, we're short on time, so

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Speaker 1: let's remind everyone. Hey, thanks to Fighters Only magazine for

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Speaker 1: the nomination yet again, third time, third year in a row,

2231
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: we've been nominated for Best Anime Programming. Please go vote.

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01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: It is never ever been more important than it is

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01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: right now. You can do that. I think at World

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01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 1: MMA Awards dot Com World MM Awards dot Com, vote

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01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: for Morning Coombat for Best MMA Programming would be really

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01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: really big for us, all right. Showtime dot com is

2237
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: a label that paces. You can get Showtime dot Com

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Speaker 1: thirty days free. You can go to the store Morningcombat

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01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: dot Store, and of course you can always reach the

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Speaker 1: show at Morningcombat at gmail dot com. B see any

2241
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: final thoughts be where we bid everyone to do until Friday.

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01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,560
Speaker 2: We never get nominated for Best Boxing Programming.

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01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,839
Speaker 1: We don't do enough boxing to get nominated for boxing content.

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01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: This is MKA is still primarily.

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Speaker 2: That's not what our p one say, Luke. What do

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01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 2: they say that we do too much boxing? In fact,

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01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 2: any boxing to our p ones? And when when I

2248
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 2: say p ones, I mean all of our Luke Thomas fans.

2249
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,679
Speaker 2: You know from the from birth. They came here for you, Luke, whether.

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Speaker 1: They've come I'm being serious for just a second, we

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01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,719
Speaker 1: have just a couple of minutes. Let me just say this, dude,

2252
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: boxing is having a year where like I don't know

2253
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: when the next good year, Like this is a bet

2254
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: I know, I know, like if you're not watching boxing

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01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: this year and enjoying it, I'm not gonna say I

2256
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: question your combat sports credentials because that's not really true,

2257
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: but I will say this, dude, you're missing out well.

2258
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 2: I love when people respond with a comment of like, man,

2259
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 2: this sport is so dead, it's going nowhere. Why would

2260
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 2: you guys care about It's like you could get away

2261
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: with that type of BS most years and I'd go well,

2262
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 2: looking to wire taste. You gotta slog through a lot

2263
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 2: of bs to get the good stuff. Not this year, folks,

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01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 2: not this year at all. I mean, is there any surprise?

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01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 2: Why Why Like boxing MMA have never been sort of

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01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 2: aligned anymore, Luke, It's because like boxing's got such a

2267
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 2: big rise. It's taking the attention of the whole combat

2268
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 2: sports world this year, and it's been fun as shit

2269
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 2: to share that drug with others. But you know that's

2270
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 2: what I mean.

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01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,759
Speaker 1: This weekend and then in October two big MMA stars

2272
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: are boxing h Francis and Ganu when Nate Diaz, you know,

2273
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, this is just boxing. I'm not saying

2274
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: MMA is having a bad year. That's not what we're arguing.

2275
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: We're just saying boxings have it like an extraordinary year.

2276
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Just enjoy it while it's here. You can go chitting

2277
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: on it in twenty twenty four. If it goes back

2278
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to listen, when it turns back into a pumpkin, feel

2279
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 1: free to fire away. But right now, it's Cinderella at

2280
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: the ball. You know what I mean.

2281
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 2: Right now, you're in the glasshouse, p one Mma, Luke

2282
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Thomas superfan, you.

2283
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Are right now, yeah, exactly, all right, Well, we're out

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01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: of here. Thanks to everyone who helped us out today.

2285
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: Shouts to Mikey Morms on the Ones and Twos down

2286
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 1: there in CBS. We appreciate them. Thanks everyone at CBS

2287
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: in general. Malka Showtime, the whole crew. It's Brian Campbell,

2288
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. We appreciate you guys watching. We'll catch

2289
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: you on Friday, and until then, may all of your

2290
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Speaker 1: gains be loyal