WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The crew of the Carroll A. Deering 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.720 Thinking Sideways is not supported by using your neighbor's wireless 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.280 printer to print pictures of Andy Kaufman. Instead, it's supported 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.200 by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. Visit 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.160 patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more and 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:29.160 thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know stories 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:35.000 of things. We simply don't know the answer too. Hi there, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.040 welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.400 as always by Devin and Steve. Yeah, and this week 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.520 we're gonna talk about another cool maritime mystery because you guys, 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.400 you guys know how fond I have a maritime mysteries 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:53.479 Joe's favorite nautical Yeah. Uh so this is a really 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.520 kind of strange one. Just brief overview. It's about the 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.480 Carol A Deering And if you, if you do do 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.040 any webs searches on this, you'll find several really good 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.400 pictures of the deering. It was this beautiful five masted 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:10.319 schooner that was built in nineteen nineteen. It's a schooner schooner. Yeah, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.440 and uh it was a freighter two big one long, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:20.959 forty six ft a beam um. But the deering was 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.520 in service for less than two years when one morning 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.440 it was found run aground on Diamond Shoals off the 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.800 coast of North Carolina. The strange thing about it is 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.920 that when the coast Guard finally got managed aboard the 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.520 boat four days later, because there was offseas um, the 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.200 crew was gone, completely gone. Well, there was one member 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:45.160 there was. There was there was a cat, Chip's cat, Mr. Snuggles. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:51.760 That's a good name for him though, So we'll go 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.560 with that one then. Uh and all, by the way, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.520 I just wanted to say, we'll give a little shout 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.240 out to Justin who suggested this story. Anyway, So Diamond 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.000 Shoals is has the reputation of not being very ship friendly. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.880 They called that area the Graveyard of the Atlantic. It 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.280 really is just one giant bar north to south on 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.400 that edge of North Carolina, and you can just see 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.200 how it just must chew things up constantly. Oh yeah, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:18.639 a lot of a lot of ships have been chewed 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.040 up and spat out. Let's talk a little bit about 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.680 the ship. As I said, it's built in nineteen nineteen 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.760 by the G. G. Deering Company of Bath, Maine. So 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.320 apparently these guys not only did ship building but they 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.200 also ran the ships as a business. You know that 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.240 the Deering was a cargo freighter. They were designed build, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.760 got it and yeah yeah uh And apparently that was 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.760 the last ship that was built by the Deering Company 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.360 because I said feet long, forty six ft a beam 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.600 um and had three decks um except of course in 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.920 the cargo hold area the antenna. The interior apparently was 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.480 here really nice, finished with oak, mahogany, empress wood, ashwood. Uh, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.560 deckpline was hard pine. They pulled out all the stops 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.359 on this thing, which is weird for a cargo ship. Well, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.840 it kind of is. Yeah, and uh the masts were 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.040 made from trees chopped down right here in Oregon. Yeah, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.880 so that's cool. That was our contribution to this this 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:17.359 mystery Oregon and then shipped all the way over to Maine. Okay, 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.280 maybe they don't have tall trees over there, um, not anymore, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.480 they don't. Yeah. The heads that bathrooms to non nautical 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.880 types were fully plumbed and had hot and cold running water, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.280 which is pretty like serious because on a lot of 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.360 old sailing ships basically the head was a plank with 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.600 a hole cut in it up at the half of 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.680 the battle ship yeah. Yeah, either have it or you 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.880 want to set on that and you did your business, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.160 you know, and then it's just just dropped into the sea. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.640 And I hope there's no like big splashes or anything. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:53.040 rough original Yeah, yeah, actually that could be kind of 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.760 nice maybe. Yeah. What else they had? The low deck 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.680 spaces were lit by electricity and heated by team. So 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.240 this was a pretty nice ship. It sounds nicer than 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.080 the cruise ship I was on the care areas. Yeah, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.640 this is nicer than that. Yeah, you had hot and cold, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:14.680 bunning water. We did, but you know, corrugated metal interiors 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.960 and it wasn't a whole of the crown. So the 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.120 create areas and these ships, I assume there are not 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.280 nearly as nice as the guest areas. Accurate. Yeah, that 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.520 makes sense, it does. I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's about 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.240 maximizing space, not luxury. Why the way back to the 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.919 Daring the Carol a deering um by the way, it 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.240 was named after during son right, Yeah it was so 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.320 I was just thinking about how, like, I bet you 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.520 would run out of people to name ships after. Don't 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.000 you think have you ever seen the names of ships? 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.480 Like it is obvious that they ran out of names 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.880 a long time ago. Yeah, So if I ever get 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.120 like a boat or anything like that, I'm going to 0:04:52.240 --> 0:05:00.200 name it the Enterprise Original. Yeah, the original n CC one. Yeah. Well, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.560 anyway back to the next to the Caroline, the name 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.320 of mine would be in a bottle, in a bottle, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:14.640 ship in a bottle, or maybe happens ship happens. Yeah, okay, anyway, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.560 such a nice ship. I really would not personally leave 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.039 it to climb into a lifeboat, but that appears to 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.359 be probably what happened here, because, as I said, the 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.560 lifeboats were gone when they found the ship, and the 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.360 crew was gone to except for the cat. Except for 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.960 the cat. Yeah, Mr Snuggles. Yes, So let's go back 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.840 to the beginning. In late August nine, the Caroldering set 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.240 sail from Norfolk, Virginia, and I had for Real Degennio 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.640 with the cargo of coal. The captain was William M. Merritt, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.800 and his son S. E. Merritt was first mate. With 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.920 about two minutes into the voyage, Captain Merritt suddenly became 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.120 very ill, and not two minutes. It was a little 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.800 more than two minutes into the voyage, but it was 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:57.400 pretty quick it was pretty quick, like days or within 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.240 a few days, I guess like that, because like far 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.200 from Norfolk when they when they put in the shore, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.039 and and what was weird is they left Norfolk and 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.160 they sailed south and that apparently turned up and went 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.640 up to the Delaware coast and put in a town 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.479 in Delaware. I don't know if that's called is pronounced 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:16.120 Lose or Lewis, Delaware, but uh, and and so Captain 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.480 Merritt left the ship along with his son, and they 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.320 had to get a replacement. So the Deering Company had 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:26.320 hired a guy named Willis Wormel. Yeah, it was warm, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.440 so he was in the captain apparently, I'm not sure 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.719 I've heard it. Wormel hired a sailor named Charles McClellan 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.800 to be his first mate. Although I heard in one 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.000 another place that the Deering Company hired the guy. I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.320 don't know. Yeah, I think it might have been the 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.479 company that actually hired. I would imagine that if it's 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.720 not his boat, he doesn't get a say it did 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.440 make the final decision. Yeah, so I'm thinking probably the 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.159 Deering Company. Most places say that he did. But you know, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.960 but anyway, it doesn't really matter that much. There were 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.000 nine other members of the crew, mostly Scandinavians and a 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.279 lot of places it says they were all Scandinadians and 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.919 that's not true. Yeah, but they were. They were like 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.400 seven and then there was an American and a guy 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.440 from the the French West Indian thank you, Yeah, and 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.080 that was and then the first mate in the captain yeah, 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.640 and were Americans also, and then and the rest were 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.360 Dane except for one who was a fin Yeah. The 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.000 daring got under way again on September six d right 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:23.040 in Rio in late November. So it's like, if you 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.679 really want your cargo to be there in a hurry, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.560 I probably don't want to set up by sale. Well, 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.600 I was just thinking how funny it is that, I mean, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.560 you know, these days like ships will you know, get 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.880 out of New York and seven days later they're back 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.040 in New York and they've gone all the way down 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.520 to Rio de Janeiro and further right in seven days. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.640 It's it's crazy to think about how far we've come nautically. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.480 And what's funny to me, I mean, I know Joe 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.040 alluded to this a little bit earlier, is the fact 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:55.280 that it's it's a sale driven ship in one when 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.960 we're starting to be able to power everything with cole 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.600 and propeller and and you know, fossil fuel burning ships 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.600 go much faster. Well, yeah they do. Yeah. Yeah, that's 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.120 why eventually these sales of silf raiders kind of fell 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.560 out of favor. Yeah. I wonder if that's maybe part 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.960 of why they made it so nice inside, is that 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.880 they thought, well, you know, if this whole cargo ship 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.960 thing goes under, we can do you know, quick little 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.680 refab and make it a cruise ship or make it 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.720 a luxury sailboat or something passengers on board. Yeah, and 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.440 I wonder if that was the original idea, and then 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.400 just kidding, no, it's you know, the original intention is, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.840 let's put this into a passenger situation, except that suddenly 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.000 the money starts going short, Like okay, we we gotta punt. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.880 What do we do. Let's not finish the whole center 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.959 of the ship. Let's just make it a hold. Even 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.760 they think, well, you know, if we make this so 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.720 that it's nice enough to get paying passengers, we can 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.560 kind of kill two birds with one stone, where we 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.959 transport cargo and people take a really long cruise at 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.679 the same time. I don't know that. It's just kind 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.480 of weird to me that they would do that, and 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.600 that is that is true though, but you know, I mean, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.400 and even today you can you can hit the right 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.680 on a freighter then it's a lot cheaper than they 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.960 don't see a cruise ship. You can still and they 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.959 have quarters for it. So maybe that was the intent, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.679 was to have paying passengers as well. Anyway, they had 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.640 none on this one. Lucky for those passengers. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.200 so it took him a month Sixtember six, It took 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:27.280 them over two months to get to Rio. Uh. So 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.240 the men all went on Liberty and then Captain Warmel 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.920 ran into an old friend and Captain Goodwin had no 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.880 first name alas, and they had a little chat and 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.280 warm L told Goodwin he didn't really care for his 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.400 crew all that much and said he also tard us. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.480 He thought his first mate McClellan was a worthless troublemaker, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.440 and Goodwood remembered this later. Well. He also said the 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.520 only one he trusted or thought was a decent sailor 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.280 was the engineer. Yeah, yeah, who was he? The other 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.120 American that was on the ship. Yeah yeah, And so yeah, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.360 he liked him okay, yeah, yeah, the captain didn't sound 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.520 like that awesome of a guy to himself at times, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.920 some of the thing things he said, and just like 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.200 maybe he was the happiest old man because he was 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.079 an old man and it was like sixty six. I 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:08.880 would I'm not I'm not sure this old man, but 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.760 that's getting up there, especially for nine in nineteen nineteen. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.240 He is an old man by by modern accounts. And 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:21.400 there's a dude who's close to over in this very room. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.760 I don't want to harm you. I'm not that close, 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.240 but no, I mean for the day and age, for 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.600 sure he was. He was definitely up there, particularly to 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.400 be working on a show, working, and he may not 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.880 have wanted to be working, he may have had to 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.280 be working probably. Yeah. Yeah, I think in those days 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.880 the life expectancy was was I mean, what is it today, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.040 like seventy two or seventy five or something like that 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.880 for higher than that, Yeah, but back in the day 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.719 it was. Back in those days, it was far far 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.440 lower than sixty six fifties, I think, yeah, okay, where 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.160 were we? Uh? The Deering set sail for her return 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.400 trip on December two, and in early January they put 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.440 into Barbados for supplies and a little shore leave. So 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.000 whenever anybody says they put into Barbados for supplies, I 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:16.599 think like air quotes supplies my hangover. Yeah, well, you 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.120 can't be love it, but actually, yeah, surely, I mean yeah, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.520 I mean, after all, these guys have been on the 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.280 been not stuck in the ship for a long time, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.079 you know. I mean, they need to get a little 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.080 little rest and recreation, right. I've heard two versions of 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.360 what happened in Barbados, and one version McClelland got arrested 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.360 for public drunkenness and was shown in jail, and then 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.000 Wormele bailed him out of jail um. But then for 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.160 some unknown reason, they had an argument and McClelland threatened 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.920 war Mel's life. That's one version. Another version, and this 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.240 is the one of the Wikipedia page, McClelland got drunk 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.640 and was complaining to the captain of another American ship 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.520 about Warmel. And then later that same captain, along with 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.080 his first mate and yet another ship's captain heard overheard 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.839 McClelland saying that he was going to quote get unquote 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.160 Wormel before they got back to Norfolk being shipped captains. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.120 Of course, they didn't really take kindly to that kind 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.960 of talk. That's not a good thing to have rolling around. No, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.880 not really, And so apparently they got him arrested. And 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.319 then on January nine, Wormele bailed McClellan out of jail 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.080 and then he rejoined the crew of the Jeering and 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.079 they set sail for home. In retrospect, Wormele probably should 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.599 have let just let him stay in rotten jail and 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.040 just gone without a first mate. I mean, he's a 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.760 first made anyway, right, No one exactly. Yeah, I don't 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:42.920 have on it. I'm doing just fine. Wow. Nice. Twenty 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.800 days later, on January nine, the Carol A Deering sailed 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.200 past the Diamond Shoals lightship and they hailed it. The 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.760 lightship keeper was a man named Captain Thomas Jacobson, and 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.160 he reported that a thin, red haired guy with a 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.080 foreign accent and yelled across to him that they had 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.240 lost their anchors and chains while writing a storm south 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.120 at Cape fear Off what they call frying pan Shoal. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.559 I'm sorry, uh for those, not me because I know, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.280 but other people who might not know. What's a light ship? Lightship? 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.559 Oh yeah, okay, lightship? That's a good point. Well, it's 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.319 like it's like a mobile lighthouse. They actually at Diamond Shoals, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.959 they actually at one point attempted to build a lighthouse 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.480 and they had problems with it. They built an enormous 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.079 case on on shore and then they hauled it out 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.920 there and tried to set it on the on the seafloor, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.440 and they were gonna build their lighthouse on top of this, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.880 and well it immediately started settling and settling in a 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.000 lot angle and there was just basically nothing they could 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.800 do about it. So after expending you know, a bunch 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.640 of money trying to do this and not succeeding, they 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.000 just decided, screw it, we'll just have a lightship instead. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.440 It's just a ship. A ship. It's a ship that's 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.520 got that's got a beacon on it, just like a lighthouse. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.640 And lightships were probably the one of the most boring, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.280 horrible things to work on because a normal ship, you've 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.040 got stuff to do, you're moving about. On a lightship, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.080 you drop an anchor if you can. Otherwise you spend 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.840 all your time trying to stay in one location and oh, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.120 by the way, keep the light going. Because they were 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.120 doing this before electricity, so it was like a lantern 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.840 and some guy had to go up there every hour 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.360 because it ran out of fuel, and like it was 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.920 that had to be a terrible job to be the 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.960 light ship keeper. Yeah, I don't think it was considered 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.040 to be a promotion. So it's just a ship that's 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.160 got a lighthouse on it, basically a mobile, separate mass 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.680 mobile mobile lighthouse. All right, just a clarify. Sorry, Well 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.480 that's good. Now, that's good. Thing you said something and 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.360 hadn't thought about that. I know what a lightship is, 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.800 so I'm just like I thought everybody knew, but we 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.200 all share a brain. Yeah. Anyway, the guy that haired 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.440 red haired guy on the deering who was on the 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.840 quarter deck of the deering that tells him about losing 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.120 the anchors in the chains and asked him to use 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.240 his radio to get a message to the deering company 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.560 about it, because apparently had that. I guess the idea 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.440 would be the then the deering company could make a 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.640 arrangement that Norfolk for them to be greeted by tugs 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.320 or something like that, because they couldn't just sail in 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.800 and drop anchor. All I could do is sail in 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.720 and sort of like sit there drifting around until they 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:14.120 pumped into something. So sorry that the Carol Deering didn't 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.920 have a radio on it. Well, that's the thing. I 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.520 don't know. I mean maybe the radio. Yeah, you would 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.360 think that they would have had a radio, but apparently not, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.600 or maybe it was out, maybe it was not functioning. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.280 I don't know. Well, then that's the same problem with 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.720 the lightship, is that he couldn't call it in because 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.960 his radio was on the fritz. So is the alien interference? 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.800 This is Bermuda Triangle you know? Yeah, yeah, the far 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.840 north tip of the Bermuda Triangle. Jacobson, who's he's He's 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.520 the guy that captained the lightship. I thought it was 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.600 a little odd that a crew member rather than the 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.960 captain in the first mate was was he telling him this? 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.240 Of course, he testified later there was an investigation in 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:59.120 this whole thing, big, yeah, huge investigation. Uh. Jacobson also 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.160 thought it was odd that the entire crew seem to 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.320 be just hanging out on the quarter deck of the ship. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.960 But anyway, other than that, you know, what else can 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.760 we make of it? Yeah? What are you gonna do? 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.280 He made a note in his log about it. The 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.000 deering continued sailing northward. And by the way, the thin 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.840 red hair guy, it's the description of Johan Frederickson, who 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.480 was the only member of the crew that had red hair. Um. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.400 He was a ship's posen, which is short for boatswain 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.280 and which is kind of somebody's second in command. He's 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.200 below first mate but above the regular crew members kind 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.320 of thing. Yeah, so that that probably was Johan Frederickson. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:36.640 As to why it was him and not the captain, well, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.040 who knows. Well, I was just gonna ask what it 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.480 be reasonable for if like there was other I mean, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.240 you know, you're in disaster, right, you don't have anchor. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.880 You're trying to maneuver your ship into like a certain area. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.400 It's kind of a dangerous area anyway. Also, you know, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.560 like maybe you say, right, it's me and my first mate, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.920 we're going to be here. You go stand down there 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.320 and yell if you see someone and tell what's going on. Yeah, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.480 it might have been that. Maybe they maybe they told 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.320 him to do it because he had the loudest voice. Yeah, 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.920 he would stand out the most with the red hair. Yeah, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.120 I don't know. But the weird part about that though, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.600 is that they were obviously able to sail up next 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:20.119 too close to the lightship, so they obviously were not 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.120 of control in some disaster scenario. It's not as if 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.080 the ship was sinking out from underneath them and go 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.480 scream for help, because all he yelled was we don't 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.560 have an anchor. That's true, but I mean it is dangerous, right, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.639 I mean that's it's a light ship, right, so it's marketing. Hey, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.920 maybe don't come here, right, And you want whoever is 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.000 the absolute best at steering that ship to do the 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.200 steering to get it close enough to yell, but far 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.280 enough away to not run into it or run aground. Yeah. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.520 That's the thing, is that to maintain control of the ship, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.960 you have to you have to keep it under sail, right. Yeah. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.840 And so that person was likely not the captain because 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.080 the captain apparently had some vision. Apparently he was had 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.000 bad eyesight. Yeah, okay, Well then you don't want the 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.920 captain yelling because he's not going to be able to see. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.919 maybe the captain had a creaky old voice, you know, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.920 maybe they had to have somebody else out there yelling, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.879 you know. So then you've got your first mate doing 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.160 all of the the actual steering. You've got your boat 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.040 swaying out there, yelling, you've got the captain trying to 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.520 keep everything under sail or you know whichever. Maybe the captains, 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.760 like you said, taking taking an apron. Maybe he's dead, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:33.439 don't don't. Uh So two days after, on January thirty one, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.639 Carol During was spotted hard aground on a sandbar on 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.200 Diamond Shoals near Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. You can find 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.920 that if you get on the Google. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.159 that's kind of cool. Yeah, I'd like to go see it. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.400 Maybe one of these days will do a field trip. Yes, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:54.400 but yeah, now we're gonna fly. All the sales were set, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.120 meaning the sales were still up, and so that could 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.800 not have been easy on the boat. The weather was 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.080 kind of rough, and so that's gotta be really hard 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.960 on your boat if it's harder ground and and the 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.199 wind is just it goes in full board and then 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.280 the wind keeps shoving it into its n There was 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.040 one ship I can't remember the name of it now. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.680 It's an interesting story. It ran aground just like this, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.640 and uh, it was on this big sandbar, a big, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.640 huge white sandbar, and for whatever reason. Tides and and 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.159 and waves and wind and everything. They actually stripped all 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.400 the hardware off of it and everything and salvage whatever 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.440 they could, and they just left it there. And I 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.240 don't remember how long it took. It took like about 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.919 a year, but it actually slowly moved through the sand 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:39.560 and wound up in this bay again. I gotta, I 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.879 gotta try to find that story again. It was yeah, uh, anyway, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.440 not so not so easy for the old deering now. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.720 They never did manage to get it dislodge. More about 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.240 that in a second. All the sales were still set. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.680 As I said, the lifeboats were gone, and red lights 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.359 have been run up to the tops of the masts, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.800 which apparently is a signal that this ship was either 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.800 derelict or out of control. And red lights, I don't 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.600 know if they were electric. They did have electricity on 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.159 the bad electric lanterns, they would have run out of 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.360 fuel and no time at all, right, so they must 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.119 have been electric. Um, but then the ship would have 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.359 also still had electricity. Yeah right, Well, you know, and 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.399 the ship's auxiliary was probably not running. I assume they 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.119 had a battery, and so maybe it just ran off 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.119 battery for a while until the battery ran flom. You 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.480 set emergency stuff to go off the battery usually so. Yeah, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.280 So the coast Guard arrived at the scene because of 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.760 heavy seas that couldn't go aboard. Then they couldn't actually 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.000 board until February fourth, so five days after its found. Yeah, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.160 the cat must have been hungry. Sorry. One more point 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.720 of clarification. The sales are set means they are up. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.000 They are they're up, they are in place, They're ready 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.400 to push the boat around catching wind. Okay, listen, lots 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.879 of body terms here. Yeah, talk boy talk. That reminds 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:04.320 me of body boat faced happen. I love that name. Okay, anyway, 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.679 back to ours thing here. The dairy was board at 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.359 ten thirty am on February fourth. The ship was they 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.760