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Speaker 1: of things. We simply don't know the answer too. Hi there,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Devin and Steve. Yeah, and this week

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about another cool maritime mystery because you guys,

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Speaker 1: you guys know how fond I have a maritime mysteries

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Speaker 1: Joe's favorite nautical Yeah. Uh so this is a really

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Speaker 1: kind of strange one. Just brief overview. It's about the

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Speaker 1: Carol A Deering And if you, if you do do

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Speaker 1: any webs searches on this, you'll find several really good

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Speaker 1: pictures of the deering. It was this beautiful five masted

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Speaker 1: schooner that was built in nineteen nineteen. It's a schooner schooner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh it was a freighter two big one long,

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Speaker 1: forty six ft a beam um. But the deering was

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Speaker 1: in service for less than two years when one morning

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Speaker 1: it was found run aground on Diamond Shoals off the

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Speaker 1: coast of North Carolina. The strange thing about it is

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Speaker 1: that when the coast Guard finally got managed aboard the

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Speaker 1: boat four days later, because there was offseas um, the

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Speaker 1: crew was gone, completely gone. Well, there was one member

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Speaker 1: there was. There was there was a cat, Chip's cat, Mr. Snuggles.

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Speaker 1: That's a good name for him though, So we'll go

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Speaker 1: with that one then. Uh and all, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, we'll give a little shout

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Speaker 1: out to Justin who suggested this story. Anyway, So Diamond

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Speaker 1: Shoals is has the reputation of not being very ship friendly.

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Speaker 1: They called that area the Graveyard of the Atlantic. It

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Speaker 1: really is just one giant bar north to south on

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Speaker 1: that edge of North Carolina, and you can just see

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Speaker 1: how it just must chew things up constantly. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of ships have been chewed

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Speaker 1: up and spat out. Let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the ship. As I said, it's built in nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: by the G. G. Deering Company of Bath, Maine. So

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Speaker 1: apparently these guys not only did ship building but they

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Speaker 1: also ran the ships as a business. You know that

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Speaker 1: the Deering was a cargo freighter. They were designed build,

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Speaker 1: the last ship that was built by the Deering Company

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Speaker 1: um and had three decks um except of course in

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Speaker 1: the cargo hold area the antenna. The interior apparently was

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Speaker 1: here really nice, finished with oak, mahogany, empress wood, ashwood. Uh,

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Speaker 1: deckpline was hard pine. They pulled out all the stops

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Speaker 1: it kind of is. Yeah, and uh the masts were

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Speaker 1: so that's cool. That was our contribution to this this

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Speaker 1: maybe they don't have tall trees over there, um, not anymore,

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Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah. The heads that bathrooms to non nautical

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Speaker 1: want to set on that and you did your business,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then it's just just dropped into the sea.

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Speaker 1: And I hope there's no like big splashes or anything. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Daring the Carol a deering um by the way, it

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Speaker 1: the cat. Yeah, Mr Snuggles. Yes, So let's go back

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Speaker 1: to the beginning. In late August nine, the Caroldering set

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Speaker 1: and his son S. E. Merritt was first mate. With

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Speaker 1: and and what was weird is they left Norfolk and

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Speaker 1: they sailed south and that apparently turned up and went

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Speaker 1: in Delaware. I don't know if that's called is pronounced

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Speaker 1: Merritt left the ship along with his son, and they

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Speaker 1: had to get a replacement. So the Deering Company had

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Speaker 1: hired a guy named Willis Wormel. Yeah, it was warm,

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Speaker 1: I've heard it. Wormel hired a sailor named Charles McClellan

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Speaker 1: another place that the Deering Company hired the guy. I

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Speaker 1: company that actually hired. I would imagine that if it's

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Speaker 1: but anyway, it doesn't really matter that much. There were

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Speaker 1: nine other members of the crew, mostly Scandinavians and a

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Speaker 1: lot of places it says they were all Scandinadians and

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Speaker 1: that's not true. Yeah, but they were. They were like

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Speaker 1: seven and then there was an American and a guy

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Speaker 1: from the the French West Indian thank you, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: daring got under way again on September six d right

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Speaker 1: in Rio in late November. So it's like, if you

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Speaker 1: I probably don't want to set up by sale. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking how funny it is that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, these days like ships will you know, get

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy to think about how far we've come nautically.

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Speaker 1: And what's funny to me, I mean, I know Joe

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Speaker 1: we're starting to be able to power everything with cole

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Speaker 1: and propeller and and you know, fossil fuel burning ships

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Speaker 1: why eventually these sales of silf raiders kind of fell

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Speaker 1: thing goes under, we can do you know, quick little

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Speaker 1: What do we do. Let's not finish the whole center

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Speaker 1: ahead and sleep in my bunk, not typically at all. No,

424
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's my station, you see the hell out of it. Yeah,

425
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: But if the captain is is you know, some one

426
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: way or another out of the picture, then it would

427
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: be tempting to go shack up at his cabin because

428
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: it's obviously going to be the nicest place in the

429
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: in the ship. But why wouldn't you just sleep in

430
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: his bed? Why would he sleep in the auxiliary? Then

431
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: I think somebody was sleeping in the captain's bunk and

432
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: somebody else was sleeping in the other bunk. That's what

433
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. Another bit of evidence that something had happened

434
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: to the captain is that the notes on the ship's

435
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: position on the navigational chart had changed handwriting after January,

436
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: So if something happened to the captain, it must have

437
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: been about a week before, but it was a different handwriting.

438
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: He was, yeah, something happening. Maybe he got maybe he died,

439
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: they'd pay buried him at sea, or something more sinister

440
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: than that. You don't know. But as for the Carol

441
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: a deering Alas, and this truly as sad actually because

442
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: she wasn't neat, she was a need old chip. But

443
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: they tried to tow her out to see again, and

444
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: they couldn't get her unstuck from the sandbar, and so

445
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: they were They dine reminded her in March, early March,

446
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: and there were still pieces over as I like, I

447
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: don't know the nineteen there might still be pieces that

448
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: were still out there. I was gonna say, I saw

449
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: pictures from several years later of people in the sand

450
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: bar next to the yeah, the wreckage, Yeah, at low tide.

451
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: I suppose you could go out there and you know,

452
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: and you know, check out the wreckage, maybe get yourself

453
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: a souvenir or some building materials. I know that there

454
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: was a shipwreck at the base of the Econi Mountain

455
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirteen. Yeah, yeah, excuse me, Yeah, And I

456
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: know that a lot of stuff got salvages, like the

457
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: ship's mass wound up in people's homes that they were

458
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: like a column supporting porches and all kinds of cool

459
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: stuff like that. All the locals go down and they

460
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: get out, there's good. But there's good building with you

461
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: was down there. Plus it's got a great story, right. Yeah.

462
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: Normally a shipwreck off Cape Hatteras would not be a

463
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: huge deal because, after all has already said that area

464
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: is called the graveyard of the Atlantic. In fact, there's

465
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: a there's a museum on Hatteras is called the Graveyard

466
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic Museum. So they fully acknowledged their graveyard

467
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: in this. I see where you got your your phrasing. Okay, yeah,

468
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: but because the crew disappeared, but so mysteriously, which is

469
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: face is a little hanky, you think. There was a

470
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 1: big investigation into the shipwreck. And another thing the sparked

471
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: interest was that nine different other ships vanished without a

472
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: trace in the same area within about a two week period,

473
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: like late January, early paperwork. The ships without a trace. Yeah,

474
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: so daring that the Daring did not vanish without a

475
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: craze a trace, just her crew. The other ships vanished

476
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: without a trace, not even not even a distress call. Yep,

477
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: that's it. Well, as we know, radios were apparently going wonky. Apparently.

478
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't think radios were a hundred percent reliable back

479
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: in those days. Um they were cheaply made. Yeah. The FBI,

480
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: the U. S. Navy, the State Department, the Commerce Department,

481
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: and the Treasury Department all launched investigations. Um, and I'm

482
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of assuming the Coast Guard did to the usual

483
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: given that's kind of a given that they would do that.

484
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of a lot of government interest,

485
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of theories at the time

486
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: because this was actually kind of a big deal back

487
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: in back in Yeah, people got excited about this. One

488
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: of the one of the most popular theories it was

489
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: out there at the time was that it was a

490
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: group of pirates. Yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, I should have

491
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: delineated that. Okay, theories crazy fun sery time, seri time. Okay,

492
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: like five different genres. Actually, we do need to come

493
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: up with some sort of sound effect, don't you think? No, No, okay, fine,

494
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: I'll just make my own sound effects. Now that we're

495
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: in the theory machine, let's go. Okay, first in particular order. Uh, piracy,

496
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: it was thought that a group of pirates was responsible

497
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: for all this. That kind of makes sense. And also

498
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: the crew of the Deering. Uh, there's no real evidence,

499
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: and then none has ever come up with nobody was

500
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: ever caught pirating a ship. But piracy is still a

501
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: common thing even today. It happens a lot, not as

502
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: common as it was. No, no, but it's still still

503
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: has happened. It's yeah, And there really wasn't that much

504
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: of value aboard the Deering. I mean, the most valuable

505
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: thing really was the ship itself, which I noticed the pirates,

506
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: if they managed to take the ship, they just allowed

507
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: it to run around. But maybe they were really incompetent

508
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: pirates and they abandoned. I mean, I guess there's an

509
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: arguments we made that, like the crew would be pretty valuable. Yeah,

510
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: you don't want the slave market. Oh that's a good point. Yeah, yea,

511
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: so maybe they take the crew within. Let's let's let's

512
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: think about this. So the crew thinking, you know, thinking

513
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: well I don't want to be a slave, they run,

514
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: They runner the ground to get away. Yeah, yeah, to

515
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: get one, and then say they run no, I don't know,

516
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: it's get yeah, take it together to foil the terrible

517
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: pirates will destroy the thing you're after. That's that's what

518
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: I was doing in Star Trek there away blowing up

519
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: the Enterprise. Yeah, they're crashing into this planet, so you

520
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: can't take it exactly. So if they can do it

521
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: in Star Trek, they can do it on the Deering.

522
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: But you know, the piracy say, with all these ships disappearing,

523
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, and all this other hicky stuff going on,

524
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I can understand why people might think that conclude pirates.

525
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: But the reason I don't really buy the piracy theory

526
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: is that not a single one of these ships got

527
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: up a radio message or a distress call, and not

528
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: a single one day now, if you're being boarded by pirates,

529
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: have be being pursued by pirates, you know they're they're

530
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: chasing your boat. That is a very good point. Pirates

531
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: don't just materialize next to your boat like the Scooby

532
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Doo sho do on The Enterprise. But yeah, I mean,

533
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I can think of is

534
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: like maybe they had a really early version of like

535
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: jammer for radio signals, or they just rely on the

536
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: fact that everybody's radio was crappy. And we're saying we

537
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: have a documented instance of two radios not working right

538
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: with the deering and then the light ship, neither of

539
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: their radios were working. If there was just a weird

540
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: spot in that area, if pirates were aware of that area,

541
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: they would probably hang out. I don't think there was

542
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: any problem with radio radio transmissions in the area, You

543
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: don't think so, I don't think so. Never mind that theory,

544
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: I think. And also the other thing about piracy is

545
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: that it turns out there was there was a series

546
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: of massive hurricanes in the Atlantic that a lot of

547
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: these ships were sailing into, So maybe it shouldn't be

548
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: so surprising they disappeared anyway. The next theory This is

549
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: a popular one also, which is a variation on the

550
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: piracy theory, which is bootleggers like yeah, ok ak a

551
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: rum runners. So this theories says that some liquor smugglers

552
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: working out of the Bahamas perhaps stole the ship to

553
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: use it for rum running. Don't forget for everybody listening,

554
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: this is prohibition era. This is this first probition starts

555
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: to nineteen, so we're into the first year. Everybody's already

556
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: figured out how to illegally move booth. Be honest, people

557
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: figured out how to illegally move booze before prohibition ever

558
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: took effect. But I'm saying on a mass scale. So

559
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: that's what the run runners are. They had They always

560
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: typically have a stationary ship and have the little ships

561
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: running back and forth or one good fast ship in general.

562
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact that you guys may or may

563
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: not know. My grandpa when he was like ten, drink

564
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Room was a run runner. My my my great uncle

565
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: on my dad's side, lived in lived in Utah, and

566
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: he was he was a bootlegger. Yeah that he and

567
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: his brother they were like ten and twelve. They would

568
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: steal the car and take it, you know, just run stuff.

569
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: For this guy, like the bootlegger would just like he'd

570
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: be like, all right, these liveries need to happen here,

571
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, okay, cool. And then you know

572
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: there were ten and twelve, so if they got caught,

573
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: people would be like, you're just scamps. You don't know

574
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Yeah. That was a great thing about

575
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: prohibition is that there was money to be made. The

576
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: daring actually with that big cargo hold, could have carried

577
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: a lot of liquor, a huge amount of liquor. Yeah. Yeah,

578
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: And I actually I like this a little better than

579
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the piracy theory because, as I noted above, the item

580
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: of greatest value here was the ship itself in this case,

581
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: to the to they're not the pirates, to the run runners,

582
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: it would be a very valuable thing indeed, because it

583
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: could hauls such a fantastic amounts of booze and for

584
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: a single run, and then since they stole it, it

585
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: could just be discarded. There is a question, of course,

586
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: of how to discreetly offload a million bucks worth of

587
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: booze from a big five masted schooner. I'm not sure

588
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: exactly how you do that. Well, they had several days

589
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: to do it into other boats. Well, I suppose that's

590
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: what you do, is you is you just anchor off

591
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: shore somewhere hops. They didn't have any anchors, but you know,

592
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: you hang out off shore. Other smaller boats come and

593
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: get a load from you and head back in. Um.

594
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: And that could be why they were when they were

595
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: by the lightship. Everybody was just kind of milling about,

596
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: waiting for the next little ship to come along to

597
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: offload a bunch of booze to I mean, they may

598
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: have been in the service of the rum Runners before

599
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: they ever went by the lightship. I think about it.

600
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: There was the tent when the handwriting changed. That might

601
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: have been when they changed teams and started import and

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: booze around, you know, when made a quick stop somewhere,

603
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: picked up a bunch. I don't know, but well, yeah,

604
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: I like the idea that would be nice, the way

605
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: to supplement your income. Yeah, I mean it could even

606
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: be that, Um, what, what's the first mate's name, McClellan. Yeah,

607
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible that even like the thing they

608
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: got in the fight with was, you know, mccleollan was like, listen,

609
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: let's just make this one little stop, you know, I know,

610
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: some guys like run some stuff and the captain was like, no, right,

611
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and he took it all on because the crew was like, yeah,

612
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: will make some extra money. Yeah yeah. Warm was a

613
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: real straight a yeah. And then you know, Wormel and

614
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: McClellan just like ended up, you know, kind of butting

615
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: heads the entire time. And finally, you know, mccollin was like,

616
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: all right, well he's not going to go along with it,

617
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: so we got to get rid of him. Yeah. And

618
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, and at least to another theory, which of

619
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: course is mutiny. We'll get to that soon. But sorry, no,

620
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's true. That The only problem I have

621
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: with it is I don't know why the rum Rudders

622
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: would have abandoned the ship. I mean, maybe they just

623
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: decided they didn't want to push their luck. You know,

624
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of a high profile boat. It kind of is.

625
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: It's distinctive, it really is. It's not just gonna blend in.

626
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: You can't just change the name and nobody knows that

627
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: it was the Deering. Yeah, this is true, although if

628
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: it was Bootleggers, it would explain why the boatswain as

629
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: like perhaps the only live member of any kind of

630
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, Captain first mate, yeah, thank you, Comman Chain

631
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: would be yelling, we lost our anchors. Somebody come meet

632
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: us in this court that we have no real reason

633
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: to be in, you know. So he's not he's not

634
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: explicitly saying like we have been taken hostage, this is

635
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: where we're going, but he's communicating something doing actually didn't

636
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: have the anchors, that the anchors were gone. Yeah, so

637
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: there was I think I think he was probably while

638
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: he was yelling, he was probably blinking out of the

639
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: stress signal with his eyelids. Yeah, yeah, I think that's

640
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I always do. Yeah,

641
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: we know, Yeah, I mean, we don't know. I was

642
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: like I was like for the video, I was planking

643
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: out latitude and longitude and all that. Yeah. Yeah. I

644
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: think from the Rummers point of view, if they were

645
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: if they were done with the ship and they just

646
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be rid of it, maybe they could have

647
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: run it up on shore. But that creates a lot

648
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: of it might have been smarter to like lash the

649
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: wheel such a way that it's going to go east

650
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of the Atlantic, where it's gonna like

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: run into probably a storm. Or hurricane be so punk

652
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: and then then it's just gone. It's just like any

653
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: other ship that just vanishes. And especially back in these days.

654
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Even today ships vanished without a trace, but not so often.

655
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: But back in the back in this time a lot. Yeah,

656
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: but maybe the wind changed and you know, and I

657
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: wind up getting blown back to the west instead, and

658
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, up onto a sand bank and diamond shoals.

659
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: So for this theory, we're saying that the crew is dead.

660
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: I think this series, the most of the crew was complicit. Yeah,

661
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so. I guess yeah, I guess.

662
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: My question with that then is that it was a

663
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: big deal pretty immediately, right. I mean, like the fact

664
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: that this ship had just been completely abandoned and run

665
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: aground was big deal within four days or so, right,

666
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: And so you I mean, realistically, you can't get that

667
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: far in lifeboats, right, And it's hard to get back

668
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: on a ship after you've gotten on a lifeboat. Right.

669
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: So if you even you have a life boat and

670
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: you're going to a second ship, like that's a that's

671
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: a challenge. Well, if you got a ladder, you know

672
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: you can do it. You can, but then what do

673
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you do with the lifeboats you have to sink them somehow,

674
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: so they didn't never show up. So I guess the

675
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: question is, like, why didn't anybody if the crew was

676
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: alive and complicit and like made it to shore kind

677
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: of in that area, why didn't somebody say, oh, yeah,

678
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: my friend Billy was on that ship, he's here. Well,

679
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: they could very well have left with the rum Runners.

680
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, they don't have to. Just

681
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: because the lifeboats are gone doesn't mean the crew actually

682
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: got into them. It is entirely possible that they tied

683
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: up to one of the rum Runners boats, offloaded all

684
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: their gear, drop the lifeboats after popping a couple of

685
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: holes in them, and they sail away back to Barba

686
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: and then go somewhere. This is the question I've always had,

687
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: is that a thing you could actually do is like

688
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: basically just last two boats together and make transfers cleanly.

689
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: That actually thing you can you can do that you go,

690
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: you want to put bumpers in between them, you know,

691
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: like tires or I mean, it's the same thing as

692
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: lashing a boat to a dock. Yeah, it can be done, yeah,

693
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean obviously it's it's it's not easy it's hard

694
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: to do in rough seas. Yeah. And actually as for

695
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: the lifeboats, they didn't even need to punch holes it.

696
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, I mean they're they're, you know, nice

697
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: little boats. They're probably worth some money take them. But

698
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: as as far as as sailing a long ways, um

699
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: after the mutiny on the Bounty, true story when Captain

700
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: bly Was was forced to get into a lifeboat from

701
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: the Bounty and a bunch of a bunch of his

702
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: crew went with him into the lifeboat. In fact, they

703
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: were packed to the gills. They sailed that thing for

704
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles. That was what was the year that

705
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: that was? It was nineteenth century. I don't remember exactly

706
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: what the hundreds of ballpark issues anyway, but I mean

707
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: they sailed. They sailed that thing for god knows. I mean,

708
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what two thousand miles you can It's

709
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of sailing skill. And I don't

710
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: think in this case they were close to they were

711
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: very close to the coast. That would be easily assuming

712
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: that they had a sale on that on this on

713
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: their boats, and they must have, because there was everybody

714
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: would have been extra sale on the deering. So they

715
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: could have taken sale with them. But my point is

716
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: is that if they got on board with rum Runners,

717
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: they could have only Okay, we're saying that the first mate,

718
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: we were pretty sure it was probably still alive, and

719
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the crew because I'm going to guess

720
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: that the engineer was probably a goner as well, and

721
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: so that in the captain as well. So that means

722
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: everybody else they were all um Danish, right, most of

723
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: them are Danish. Yeah, so they could have very easily

724
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: just caught, you know, got a job to sail home

725
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: and all problems solved. They're like, we've we got out

726
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: of there, and I added an extra constant to my

727
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: name and nobody knows who I am and I went

728
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: on about my business. That's true. Yeah, Yeah, I got

729
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: a fake pair of glasses and grew a mustache and

730
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: nobody knows who I am. Yeah, all right, okay, so

731
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: you could the run runner thing is you know, that's

732
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: an attractive theory. I'm not sure there's not really any evidence,

733
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's get to our next theory that has

734
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: no evidence. There's a little bit of e Yeah. Another

735
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: one was communist piracy by the Russians, then by by

736
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: fellow travelers here in the US, and it was thought

737
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: that Communist sympathizers hijacked all these ships, not just not

738
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: just the Dering, but all the other nine ships and

739
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: took them to Russia because some of the miss missing

740
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: ships were carrying cargoes that had materials that the Russians

741
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: couldn't buy because they were under embargo because of the

742
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: new Soviet regime in Russia. Wasn't was it one of

743
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: the other ships? It was also in the same area

744
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: that was it the Hewlett and that was a sulfur carrier? Yeah,

745
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: it was. It was steam driven though, right I think so? Yeah, okay,

746
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: because I remember that being in the list of ships

747
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: that are called out for for this theory of you know,

748
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: going to the Russians. Yeah, people often talk about the

749
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Thedeering and the heat was kind of in the same

750
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: story that they appeared together a lot, because it disappeared

751
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: very close by each other about the same time. Except

752
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: the Daring, of course, didn't disappear. The he Wit did disappear,

753
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: although I'm not so sure, I mean the Hewitts and

754
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I haven't researched that very heavily, but it was it

755
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: was a sulfur carrier. And my understanding is I've heard

756
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: other sulfur carriers disappearing mysteriously also because it's so corrosive

757
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: and so springing. Giant in the league. Yeah, how the

758
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: ship breaks into like the cyclops. Yeah, yeah, it just

759
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: breaks in half and boom, there you go down to

760
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. We'll find out one of

761
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: these days when we drain the oceans. There's gotta be

762
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff done there to look at.

763
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Do you either, I know, Devon does. I don't know

764
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: if you do. Joe is read uh is it? X

765
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: K what's the comic? X K D C there? He

766
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: has a great comic where he drains the oceans and

767
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: renames everything on the planet. And it's the funniest thing ever.

768
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: And it's got little shipwrecks all over on little math By.

769
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: Now I want to be the first. I want to

770
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: be out there with my little, my little like al

771
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: terrain vehicle. I want to buzz around and find some

772
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: old reps and salvage tons and tons of old gold

773
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: coins and stuff that's actually on the inside of the

774
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: dust jacket of that book you gave me for Christmas

775
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: from him that's where I remember it from, which is

776
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: that what he does is he does he jett around

777
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: and salvaging gold coins and stuff out of shipwreck. No. No,

778
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: he's the author of that comic series. Okay, and it

779
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: was all his writings. Anyway, we're off topic. I apologize.

780
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: That's all right. Back to the UH. And it believed

781
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: that communist sympathizers hijacked all these ships that disappeared and

782
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: took them to Russia because some of the missing ships

783
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: were carrying cargoes that had materials in them that the

784
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: Russians couldn't buy muka on the open market because there

785
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: was an embargo by the West against the new Soviet regime.

786
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: Can remember there was that there was that revolution in

787
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: nineteen Yeah, and uh, Prince to Sannastasia disappeared. Yeah exactly.

788
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: There's another mystery. Yeah, good mystery, by the way. And

789
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: there were rumors that vessels that had their names blacked

790
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: out we're seeing at Russian ports and yeah, yeah, really

791
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: exactly somebody taking a picture and then taking a sharpie,

792
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: and I was thinking there was somebody in import with

793
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: a big shirt we just walking along, Yeah, giant sharper

794
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Man size sharp Yeah, a yeah, it's a it's a

795
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: guy with a small crane that's got a giant sharpie. Yeah.

796
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to let's let's be serious now. The

797
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: FBI rated the headquarters of the United Russian Workers Party

798
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: in New York, and they were Communist sympathizers, of course,

799
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: and they came across some papers which had orders to

800
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: capture American ships. This is from the Bolsheviks to their

801
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: to their communist sympathizer share in the US. They wanted

802
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: them to capture American ships and take them to Russia.

803
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: The U. S. Navy was looking for the cruise with

804
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: all these ships as late as July, because navy brass

805
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: really truly believed that the ships were not sunk with

806
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: have been taken to a secret Russian port. So yeah, listen,

807
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: here's the here's the deal. You are telling a bunch

808
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: of guys who have a ideological belief that they agree

809
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: with you. You know, you're all on the same page,

810
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: but they have no idea how to do this stuff.

811
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: Most of them are just kind of a lay person.

812
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: You're you're telling them to create this giant, massive plan

813
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: and do this and they have no funding and no

814
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: idea what they're gonna do. This was all just hot

815
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: air pretty much. There's not any any evidence that any

816
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: of this plan and these plans were carried out into

817
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: real life. I I and I assume also that the

818
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: plan would they I mean, they could have recruited I'm

819
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: sure they could have recruited communist sympathizers who were actually

820
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: sailors and capable of operating a ship, but it'd be

821
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: very difficult to get them all onto the same ship. Well, yeah,

822
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: you have to have to find a way to get

823
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: them onto a crew or that. One of the things

824
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: about piracy is piracy doesn't always happen on the high seas.

825
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens right in port. And yeah, and so

826
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: what you do is you go down and you just

827
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: like hijacking car, yeah exactly, And you just go down

828
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: to the docks and pick a nice ship and just

829
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: board it, take it over, tie up the crew, and

830
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: do whatever you do with the crew, and just sail

831
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: and just sail out of port. You know. I mean

832
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: that that's actually what I would choose to do. If

833
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: I were these these communes and I was wanting to

834
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: hijack a ship, I would do it at port. I

835
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't try to do it at sea, that's kind of difficult. Yeah,

836
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: that's why I was like, really, do you like lash

837
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: a ship to another ship and it seems like really involved,

838
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: Like why would you just get on it and go Yeah,

839
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's that's really the best way to do it.

840
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: So as far as these guys, these ships disappearing at sea, well,

841
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible. I guess that they actually were

842
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: boarded in port, that they actually set sail just like

843
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: they were supposed to, unschedule and everything. Then unknown to everybody,

844
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: they had these conspiracists on board actually controlling the ships,

845
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: and they were sailed over to Russia. That's entirely possible.

846
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: At which point then they clunked out the captain and

847
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the first mate and the engineer and tied them up

848
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in the hold, and they tied him up, and

849
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: then they made them do kobuki theater before throwing them

850
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: off the edge of the ship. Maybe they did that,

851
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: or maybe they took on to Russia, and Russia they

852
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: were just sent off to the Gulag where they lived

853
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: out the rest of their days. Except that in this instance,

854
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: the ship actually we found the show they did actually

855
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: managed to get the deering there. Well, yeah, I mean

856
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: if they were yeah, if it was part of our

857
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: communist conspiracy, then obviously they screwed up badly and they

858
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: ran it out, they ran it aground, So okay, are

859
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: marks on their permanent record right there? Yeah, I'm kind

860
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: of ruling this one out myself. I mean, it might

861
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: have been responsible for some of the disappearances of the

862
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: other ships maybe, but their evidence is rather sketchy on

863
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: this one. So let's go to another theory, which is hurricanes. Um,

864
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: which is, well, hurricanes one is that what has that

865
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: ever happened? Never? Never ever? No? Actually, um, as far

866
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: as and this doesn't really explain the deering, but if

867
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: you look at a lot of popular websites about the day,

868
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: they always talk about hurricanes being a factor in at

869
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: least the disappearances of the other line ships. And but

870
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: besides which, as far as it goes the disappears of

871
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: the crew of the deering. You know, if they're if

872
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the hurricane and you're in

873
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: a large ship, are you gonna leave your large ship

874
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: and climb into a lifeboat? You stay in your large ship? Hell? Yeah,

875
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: So there's there's a giant problem with the entire all

876
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: these because it was the nine ships the deering included

877
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government included the Okay, and so it

878
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: was the other nine that were never found. A bunch

879
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: of them the U. S. Government had decided were lost

880
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: in hurricanes. Here's the problem with that. I actually decided.

881
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wonder what. I wonder how

882
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: big that hurricane wasn't So this afternoon it dawned on

883
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: me to take a look. There's no freaking hurricanes in

884
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: January of that year. Hurricane season is like April or

885
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: May in that part of the Atlantic, like all of

886
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: the there's five or six hurricanes on record, and the

887
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: earliest one I think started it happened in mayor June.

888
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: So there's something really weird in the reporting on this story.

889
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Like I almost feel like somebody decided it had to

890
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: be a hurricane and said the US government decided that's

891
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: what the problem was, because that they're not recorded where

892
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: where where the Atlantic just in general. I looked at ID,

893
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: I looked up the I was looking up. Well what

894
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: we got. I got me started was I wonder what

895
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: the name of that hurricane was? Because hurricanes always have

896
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: named except the naming conventions for hurricanes didn't start until

897
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: the military. The U. S Military did it. I started

898
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty and then it came out in like

899
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: fifty two or fifty three. We started using it everywhere

900
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: in common popular culture. Prior to that, they were just numbered,

901
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: and that's where I started finding. I was like, okay,

902
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: what's the record of And there are six listed hurricanes

903
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: for that year, And there was a number of different places,

904
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: and they all had the same six. They all track

905
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: their course, but they don't start at that time of year.

906
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: I mean, but that were these all six hurricanes? Were

907
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: they once that made landfall? Yes? I mean that. What

908
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: you're saying basically is that like people survived or observed

909
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: these hurricanes and then they recorded them. Right, if we're

910
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: saying there was a hurricane in the middle of the

911
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean, it's not going to be quite probably in

912
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: the like more southern part, tropical part in the middle

913
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: where people are going from like Rio de Janeiro area

914
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: up to the Atlantic seabord of the United States. It's

915
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: it's totally plausible to say none of the ships survived

916
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: to record that it was never observed. But my problem

917
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: with it is is that is not a hurricane season

918
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: that time of year. January and February are not listed

919
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: as hurricane season based on what I was looking at,

920
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: And so that was my my, my, my, WTF moment,

921
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: because there's something hinky about this theory and that well, no,

922
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe the hurricane thing is a weird

923
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: age old add on that has just entrenched itself. It's

924
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: nobody believes it for the deering, but it's entrenched itself

925
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: in Cuba. I've just looked up like someplace kind of

926
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: middle their highest number of hurricanes are September and October,

927
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: so that would mean that like January would be later,

928
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: but also not like it's not as though it's six.

929
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: We could but we could say the same thing about

930
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, in in April May season, well that it's

931
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: it's a two months early, and you're saying it's two

932
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: or three months late, but it's it's not in there,

933
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just it's weird to me that it's not

934
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: recorded when all these other ones that I came across

935
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: were three though you think three, right, three that year six,

936
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: six that year six, that year were recorded on that coast.

937
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: So it just seems really low to me. Yeah, I

938
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: don't know the I mean, it's all for not it

939
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't matter because obviously the deering didn't go

940
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: down in hurriyeh it is. It's just it was a

941
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: weird thing that I came across. Yeah that there was

942
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: some rough weather obviously, but yeah, no hurricane. And obviously

943
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: you know who's going to abandon ship in a hurricane.

944
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: So this is yeah, this, this one is just out there,

945
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: so I thought threw it in. So we're going to

946
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: move on. Let's move on to a more favorite theory

947
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: out there, which is mutiny for various reasons. I mean,

948
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and you can, again, as we did earlier, combined us

949
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: with the rum runner theory I think too great effect.

950
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: H Or it might have just been that rum fueled mutiny.

951
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh hell yeah, And that would be

952
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: that would make me a little more fun, Captain Jack Sparrow.

953
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: That's how it always happens. Uh yeah. So of course,

954
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: the war Miles conflict with McClellan and his attitude towards

955
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: his crew were well known, which is one of the

956
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: reasons this theory is popular. And maybe the feelings were reciprocated,

957
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: or maybe like you, as we're saying, and perhaps there

958
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for the crew to make some money

959
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: doing a little room running and so yeah, and the

960
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: incident of the lightship does tend to indicate that something

961
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: happened to the Cappen because he wasn't seen in the

962
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: quarter deck. And then the boson was the one who

963
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: was who was getting the message across the lightship. And

964
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: then perhaps what they what they realized is that after

965
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: they mutely realized, well, we might have a hard time

966
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: explaining the captain being gone, and so maybe we should

967
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: just sort of all sort of like just vanished, which

968
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: is kind of easy to do in that day and age.

969
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a lot easier to do than today.

970
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, they send out the description of everybody. Yeah,

971
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: and the script is yeah, the scriptures were not that

972
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: close or easy. It's not hard, not that hard to

973
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: start a new identity. And I'll say that a majority

974
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: of the crew were from a foreign country. Anyway, they

975
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: can go back to Denmark or Finland and yeah or anywhere. Yeah. Yeah,

976
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: And so as I was saying earlier, and maybe they

977
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: had meant for the ship to go out, to go

978
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the land and they can sink.

979
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: But it didn't work out that way. Mr Snuggles got

980
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: ahold of it and turned the wheel. Yeah. Mr Snuggles

981
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: was not so keen on going out in the Atlantic

982
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: and dying and so, yeah, he did not believe in

983
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: Chicken of the sea. Yeah, he went out and he

984
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: chewed on that rope they'd last the wheel with, you know,

985
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: and that cheated up, cheat it until it was gone

986
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: and the wheel was free and the boat came about

987
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: because it was a cardboard rope. Yeah, there's a cartoon rope.

988
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: The US government actually believed that the mutiny was the

989
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: strongest theory that and they I really believe that the

990
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: crew survived and they were looking for them for a

991
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: long time. They sent descriptions to the crew to U

992
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: S counsular offices all over the world and they were

993
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: told to keep an eye out for him. And they

994
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: continued this for like two years and it was like

995
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: I think when they finally gave it up and there

996
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: was the FBI did get a whip of the first mate,

997
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Charles McClellan. On March twentieth ninety one, a man named

998
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Cyril McClellan applied for him god An A B. Seamen's

999
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: license from the Board of Steamboat Inspectors in Portland, Oregon. Yeah.

1000
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Back it was again, Yeah, you have to. I checked

1001
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: out checked it out. They found that they couldn't find

1002
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: Cyril McClellan. He apparently disappeared again and he had given

1003
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: a fake address on his application and that was the

1004
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: last ever heard of Cyril McClellan. I can't believe is

1005
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: that whoever took his application didn't look at it because

1006
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: he gave what was it was the Semens union's house

1007
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: address or something like that was essentially the same as

1008
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: you had, the same place where he was submitting. Well,

1009
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, it might have been the guy, but it

1010
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: just said like, hey, I might I might tinerant. I'm

1011
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: a seman. I move around and the guy at the

1012
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: guy at the union of the place just said, oh,

1013
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: that's okay, we'll use our address and that well, you know,

1014
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: maybe that it was common Yeah, I mean, maybe that

1015
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: was what it was. Yeah, when we were on the

1016
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: cruise ship, the address that we had to give people

1017
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: and that was like on all the legal documents and

1018
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that was the like cruise ship main office

1019
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: headquarters in Miami, yeah, so it may not uncommon may

1020
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: have been common practice, but that's so. It's actually Cyril

1021
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: was a dead end. And as far as the other

1022
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: members of the crew, there were a few false sightings

1023
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: and that's about it. Otherwise they were never seen again.

1024
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: So we've got the we've we've done mutiny. That's it, right,

1025
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty much it again. Uh you know, there's no

1026
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: indication of being I think is the strongest theory, or

1027
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: something at least happened to the captain. And uh so,

1028
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: given the fact that there did seem to be a

1029
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: little bit of dissension among between the captain and the

1030
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: crew and everything like that, it's not unreasonable. It's not

1031
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: an unreasonable totally, and especially if you combine it with

1032
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: the rum runner thing or something else not even wrong,

1033
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean smuggling something, you know, get rid of the

1034
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: captain because the captain is all this this this real straight,

1035
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: our kind of guy, and you guys want to like,

1036
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, make some money. Where where was it they

1037
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: stopped that the first mate got thrown in jail. That

1038
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: was Barbados. I think it was in Barbados. So it

1039
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: is is it not possible that some other illicit cargo

1040
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: could have been put onto the boat at that time,

1041
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: entirely possible without the knowledge of the captain. I'm just

1042
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: curious about that. Yeah, I don't know how much form

1043
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: I presume, you know, I don't know what cargo they

1044
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: picked up in Rio. It really doesn't make sense to

1045
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: go all the way to Rio and not have a

1046
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: return cargo. Hopefully it was a manganese Yeah a good point. Yeah, yeah,

1047
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: that stuff gets slippery. Yea. Hopefully it wasn't like bananas.

1048
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: Probably like banana appeals. They had a cargo hold full

1049
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: of banana appeals, No wonter the boat went out. Yeah.

1050
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I heard stories about like people opening up

1051
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: their shipments of bananas over here in the States and

1052
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: there's just gigantic, scariest poisonous spiders in there and stuff. Yeah.

1053
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what got the captain. Yeah, So are there

1054
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: any other theories out there? Well, this is this is

1055
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: my own personal theory um, which is maybe insurance fraud

1056
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: that wasn't unheard of nor is it today. No, not

1057
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: at all. Miss true to me is why the care

1058
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: ladeering was built to begin with. Because even though I'm

1059
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: pro carrella deering, it was a nice ship. It was,

1060
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, you've seen pictures of it, the ship, but

1061
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: it was built in nineteen nineteen, which is at that time,

1062
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: ship owners were deliberately running their their sailing ships onto

1063
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: the rocks to collect insurance money because they were so slow,

1064
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: they were so an economic compared to other means of

1065
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: locomotion like coal and oil. And so there was a

1066
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: local incident I mentioned it earlier, the glenn Eslin, the

1067
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: one that ran at ran aground at the base of

1068
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: the Econi Mountain that wind up, you know, being parts

1069
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: of houses all over town and a thing like that. Yeah,

1070
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: that was a nineteen thirteen and there's been suspicion ever

1071
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: since that that was actually a deliberate, deliberate grounding. Yeah,

1072
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's an unsolved mystery. There's another explanation too.

1073
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I won't tell you that because who knows. We might

1074
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: cover this someday, but it was Yeah, I know, this

1075
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: is but it's a small little mystery really, but it's

1076
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting though. And uh, but at that time,

1077
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: this is like six years before the Deering was built,

1078
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: and everybody's running their boats up on the rocks because

1079
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: they just can't make any money anymore. You can't get cargoes.

1080
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Who's gonna pay you to take two months to get

1081
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: a lot of cold rio? Well someone apparently? Yeah, Well yeah,

1082
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but obviously if you've got a faster boat,

1083
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to make more money. I think

1084
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: about the difference between you know, ups overnight and the

1085
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: ups slow boat. Right, Yeah, people pay a lot more

1086
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: money to get in there fast, but more money and

1087
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: you have a quicker turnaround. But there's also those guys

1088
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: who are looking for the way to save the most money.

1089
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some show I was listening to about

1090
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: the transportation of crude crude oil, and yeah, you could

1091
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: drop it into a truck and you could drive it

1092
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: all the way to the refinery, which would only take

1093
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: like three hours and cost you the driver. Or you

1094
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: could pump it through a pipeline which takes days on in.

1095
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: But it turns out the pipeline is dirt cheap, so

1096
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: screw it. I'll go with the cheap route because it's

1097
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna save me x amount per per barrel. So I

1098
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: mean there are people who would, no matter what, the fastest,

1099
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: most whizzy wig way to get things shipped is go

1100
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: for an antiquated route because they're going to save cash,

1101
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: which means you have a better bottle if you're not

1102
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: if you're not in a huge hurry. But but the

1103
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: thing about it is is that and Cole is always wanted,

1104
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure. But the thing about it is

1105
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: is that you have to pay your crew, and you

1106
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: have to keep your crew alive and feed them and

1107
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: everything like that. Do you want to pay well? Yeah,

1108
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: Like I think the lowest paid among the crew was

1109
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: getting like a hundred bucks a month, which for nineteen

1110
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: twenty that's actually pretty details actually pretty yeah. Yeah, I

1111
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: mean a hundred dollars is like um one two one

1112
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: dollars today, Okay, so round figure. That's not a bad living,

1113
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: especially I mean if you're a sailor and you don't

1114
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: have to pay room aboard, yeah, you're being fed. All

1115
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: you gotta do is buy booze when you're in port

1116
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: the boat and you're loaded with cash to get Ruman prostitutes.

1117
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sailor's life for me. Yeah. But the so

1118
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: the carolydeering was again outmoded. It was it was it

1119
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: was kind of a white elephant from the very beginning

1120
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and the Deering was for a freighter comparatively luxurious, and

1121
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: and as you said, of course, as you said, maybe

1122
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: they wanted to make it really nice because it might

1123
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: might be taking out passengers, or maybe there was there

1124
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: was an intention at some point of making it entirely

1125
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: a passenger ship, like a cruise ship. But on the

1126
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: other hand, maybe the owners of the Deering made a

1127
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe overstand their case a little bit describing the ship,

1128
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: and maybe they didn't really spend as much building that

1129
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: daring as they actually said they did. Maybe it was like,

1130
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, just all a lot, you know, a not less,

1131
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: like they went back and the paperwork so that it

1132
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: was a nice ship instead of just made out of

1133
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: the most basic woods available exactly. Yeah, And so I mean,

1134
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was still a decent enough ship, but

1135
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: it might not. It might be that. Uh. They actually

1136
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: they actually realized sometime into the project that you know what,

1137
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: just random numbers, this just doesn't pencil, you know, And

1138
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: so they said they decided, hey, well, I guess we'll

1139
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: complete it as cheaply as we can, and then a

1140
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: couple of years from now we're running aground deliberately, because

1141
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: as I said, everybody else was termed for that. That

1142
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: is weirdly long term to decide when you're going to

1143
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: destroy the ship. I mean, you you get insurance right away,

1144
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: so I mean, why wouldn't you scuttle it on its

1145
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: maiden or second voyage? Well, I mean it was it

1146
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: was built voyage, wasn't it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't They

1147
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: just go down to realtition and then they came back up.

1148
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a maiden voyage because it

1149
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: was it was built, but it was. It was actually

1150
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: operating for less than two years, right, But that's my point.

1151
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: It's like, if you were good, if you're you're like,

1152
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: oh god, this doesn't pencil. I need to get rid

1153
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: of this right away. Why wouldn't you sink it to

1154
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean right away and collect the

1155
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: insurance money. Well? I can think of some reasons, Right,

1156
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: You don't take out a life insurance policy on someone

1157
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: and then immediately kill them. You wait a couple of years.

1158
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: But if they're a manufacturer ships, they're doing this all

1159
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: the time. But this is the last ship that they made,

1160
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: right Yeah. So I think the other reason I can

1161
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: think of is you build the ship and you think,

1162
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna scuttle this thing. And then somebody

1163
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: gives you a contract and you go, crap, okay, we

1164
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: gotta we're gonna make this delivery, and then the next

1165
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: one we're going to scuttle it. And then somebody else says, oh, yeah, yeah,

1166
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: do you want to take the coal down for us?

1167
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: And you go, yeah, okay, that makes money. I mean,

1168
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: it's making money. It's still making money. It's not as

1169
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: though they money, but you're not. You're not completely yet,

1170
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: but we're I mean, like, I don't know if they

1171
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: even were bleeding money. They certainly weren't making a fortune,

1172
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: but they weren't I don't know, they were getting business

1173
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: to keep it and so you know, but from their

1174
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: point of Viears a shipping company, not just a ship

1175
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: building company, was a shipping company. There was more money

1176
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: to be made if they could free up a little

1177
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: capital and construct something that was saying field by coal

1178
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: and faster. And so how to they didn't doing that?

1179
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 1: How to free that up, Well you gotta like collect

1180
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: the insurance money on this boat. But they didn't. They didn't.

1181
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: They didn't do that anyway. I mean, but you know,

1182
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: it's it's also they were set up to build wooden

1183
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: sailing ships. They could have actually just bought a ship,

1184
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: commissioned something built somewhere else, right, But I guess yeah,

1185
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: for me, it's just like if they were if if

1186
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: somebody was saying like, yeah, we'll give you money to

1187
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: do this thing that your ship is built to do,

1188
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why you wouldn't say, yeah, okay, we'll

1189
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: do that. And then suddenly, you know, that person says,

1190
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: you know what you guys are like, it's too slow,

1191
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: it's not working, and you go, all right, this is

1192
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: my chance, I'm gonna But here's here's my my hard

1193
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: part with this is that, I mean, yeah, we're we're

1194
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: talking about the sunk cost. You know, they put all

1195
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: this money and effort into it and they don't want it.

1196
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: So now they don't want to get rid of because

1197
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: it's it seems to maybe be going on and working.

1198
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Joe has mentioned, well, why

1199
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: don't you just commission somebody that makes an oil burning

1200
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: or coal burning ship. Well, I mean even in that time,

1201
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't for something of that scale, and by that

1202
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: mean I mean the price tag. It wasn't uncommon to

1203
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: have to finance it. So, I mean, it's not it's

1204
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: not as if you had to keep this thing going

1205
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: so you could get the cash flow to build up

1206
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: enough money to then buy this other boat that you

1207
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: were going to commission, Well you were gonna buy it

1208
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: on on credit anyway? Well sure, sure, but I mean

1209
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, I mean, yeah, they can buy

1210
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: the other boat on credit anyway. But essentially they have

1211
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: to get rid of this boat because it just isn't

1212
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: making them all that much money. Again, that's why problem

1213
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: is that if they knew in the beginning it was

1214
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: going to be a losing hand, I don't see why

1215
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have just piled it right away. But that's

1216
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: that's We've We've thought a number of different things. I mean,

1217
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: some people are you know, these guys ran a boatyard

1218
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: and they built and the building ships. It might have

1219
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: been that they decided to go ahead and start doing

1220
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: it because there were a lot of people who worked

1221
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: for them, and they felt bad about the whole idea

1222
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: of shutting the whole thing down and laying them off.

1223
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: You know. So what you're saying business owners have scruples.

1224
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: A lot of them do, actually, But yeah, I know,

1225
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: but but I mean totally disagrees with you. Yeah, the

1226
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: so you know, that could have been one of the reasons.

1227
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what, but again, this this was

1228
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: the time when everybody was one of their ships aground

1229
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: for the insurance money, and so wouldn't totally surprise me.

1230
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: And it might be think about this, it might be

1231
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: the plan was, well, we're going to deliver a little

1232
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: colt down the Rio and the way back, we'll stopp

1233
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: in Barbados to the Bahamas or whatever and pick up

1234
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: a ton of rum. And you know, everybody's on board

1235
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: with this, right, everybody's you know, we're gonna we're gonna

1236
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: bring this stuff back. Everyone's on board except the captain

1237
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: and his son. The first mate get the captain gets sick,

1238
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: and then you gotta like, you know, get these these

1239
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: two other guys. So now, so now your conspiracy to

1240
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, like not to have a very lucrative rum

1241
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: run before you sink your ship. Now it's kind of

1242
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: like throwing into a little bit of jeopardy. Yeah, I'm

1243
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: going I'm getting for a pretty far afield here, But

1244
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of like the idea anyway, I

1245
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: like the whole rum running idea anyway, just because I

1246
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: like Booze? Yeah yeah, who doesn't like booze? Yeah yeah,

1247
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: not not really. Okay, you guys have any more thoughts theories?

1248
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: I I don't. But are we You have more notes here?

1249
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: What what is this about? Oh yeah, the Historical Society.

1250
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, great? Out of the Atlantic Museum I

1251
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: called here. Actually I researched this mystery months and months ago,

1252
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: and I had notes about it, and which I can't

1253
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: find that they've gone on a walk about. This is

1254
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: what happens with the summer series. Yeah, we do other

1255
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: stuff and then we forget what we're doing. I think

1256
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: it just happens anyway. We will, like we all get

1257
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: those stories that we really like. We do a bunch

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Speaker 1: of research and we're like, all you gotta find the

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Speaker 1: right time for it, and then our notes. I'm glad that.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to note. I'm not know that I'm not

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Speaker 1: the only person that happens to if you Yeah, all right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: back to the graveyard of the Atlantic Museum. I got,

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Speaker 1: I got ahold of them. I called and talked to

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Speaker 1: as a nice lady whose name I don't have anymore

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Speaker 1: because I lost my notes that we had a little chat,

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Speaker 1: and she actually was not able to tell me too

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Speaker 1: much about She doesn't really know any more than the

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Speaker 1: Internet knows about this whole story. But she knew one thing.

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Speaker 1: She was able to give me one useful bit of information,

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Speaker 1: which was that Mr Snuggles was rescued and was brought

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Speaker 1: back to Hatteras Village. And she said that the cat

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Speaker 1: was polydactyl, which, if you don't know what that means,

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Speaker 1: that music cat has more than the usual five toes

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Speaker 1: six or seven per pro. Yeah. And when it turns

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Speaker 1: out there are a lot of polydactical kiddies in the

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Speaker 1: Adderas Village area that are apparently descended from that cat.

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Speaker 1: So there is they have one a little bit of

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Speaker 1: living evidence from the whole careleadering mystery. So I wonder, um,

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Speaker 1: do you think that the cats that are at Hemingway's

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Speaker 1: estate are from there? I don't know, because Hemingway had

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Speaker 1: the white cat that was Polly, and then when he

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Speaker 1: left the place to the cats, suddenly every cat there

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Speaker 1: was Polly or had the trait. I have a friend

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Speaker 1: who has a poly cat. Yeah. Actually, yeah, you guys

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Speaker 1: have a little tuxedos. Yeah, I know those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, And they're

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Speaker 1: pretty cool, actually yeah, they're they're really bad with the

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Speaker 1: Xbox though, that extra that extra extra? Did you get

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Speaker 1: to the way from every time? Yeah? Yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: are they are very Those cats are like hyper polydactive.

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Speaker 1: They've got like seven toes yeah, big, like like catcher

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Speaker 1: mit pause yeah yeah, I cut those nails. I know,

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Speaker 1: really I get it. Yeah, okay, anyway, anyway, for the thoughts,

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Speaker 1: so I just do a little little housekeeping. It wasn't Aliens.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thank you, thank you for not saying it

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Speaker 1: was the freaking Bermuda Triangle. Oh yeah, that's right. I'll

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Speaker 1: do it right now. It was the Bermuda Triangle, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the triangle and Aliens. I gotta say, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say what it is. It was the Bermuda Triangle

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Speaker 1: with a lead pipe in the study. Okay, I think

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Speaker 1: I've seen that the sticker on the back of a car. Alright.

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Speaker 1: Well's so you probably are wondering about our website. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you've been listening for years now and you still

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Speaker 1: Pay attention this time, it's thinking sideways podcast dot com

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Speaker 1: and out there. We have got you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: download from there. Um and then what else. Uh. We're

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Speaker 1: also on iTunes if you want to get your episodes there,

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Speaker 1: we have a subreddit. Go, it's thinking sideways, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. There's a pattern here. Yeah, I'm deserting a

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Speaker 1: pattern here. I'm waiting for one day to be like

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Speaker 1: us some fan mail, tell us how awesome we are.

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Speaker 1: also people people to talk all the time about stuff

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Speaker 1: I was, I was kind of like you know, around

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Speaker 1: at that time, and I remember this about that or

1332
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe you got this a little bit wrong or whatever,

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01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: but you know whatever you want to say. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we can have a conversation via email. We can't do

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Speaker 1: it on comments, no, not really, we can't reply back.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the emails a way to do that. So

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Speaker 1: our email us Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: got PayPal, we have got merch, We've got merch available,

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Speaker 1: like what have we got T shirts, smugs, stickers, stickers

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, trying to figure out how

1343
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: to get hats made currently. I'm really on a hat

1344
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Speaker 1: kick because I need I need a new good trucker

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Speaker 1: hat and they're hard. Good quality hats are hard to find,

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Speaker 1: and I'm working on getting somebody to make us hats.

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Speaker 1: That would be awesome if you Yeah, I'll definitely wear

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Speaker 1: it Thinking Sideways hat. That'd be awesome, but you don't

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Speaker 1: wear it sideways. Yeah yeah, that would be actually kind

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Speaker 1: of good to have a like, like two bills. There's

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Speaker 1: one of the front, there's one coming out the side.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I will put I will have somebody stitch on

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Speaker 1: the side. Wrong spot, forehead not here or something that's

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Speaker 1: not happening, not allowable, okay, yeah, wrong side forward, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Last last thing. If you want to pay support the show,

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Speaker 1: so just be aware of that. If you pledge a buck,

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Speaker 1: then every time we drop an episode, you get danged

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Speaker 1: a buck. And and we we also promise sometimes we

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Speaker 1: dropped shorts, and we we don't actually char for the shorts.

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Speaker 1: We're the opposite of a lot of people on Patreon

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Speaker 1: and get as much. I mean, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on Patreon do like exclusive content only for

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Speaker 1: paid subscribers, and we like are not about that. Like,

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Speaker 1: we absolutely appreciate any kind of support you're willing to

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Speaker 1: give us. But it makes a huge different. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it does. It makes a huge difference. But we don't

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Speaker 1: ever you know, we we hope that we can provide

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Speaker 1: a free content to anybody, whether if you're able to

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Speaker 1: support the show monetarily or not. Our our our hope

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Speaker 1: was when we first started doing that, was that we

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Speaker 1: could cover our basic costs. We are, you know, now

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Speaker 1: we're able to do little things like there's research materials

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Speaker 1: that we can pick up. When I was doing the

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Speaker 1: Train deal Raymond Deal Raymond or Joe you just kind

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Speaker 1: of book recently. It really it makes a huge difference

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Speaker 1: for appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, we have a mailing address now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know anybody what it is. I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: So you can email us if you want to send.

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Speaker 1: And we recently bought a new microphone stand, the Slavish Gold. Yeah. Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. Well,

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Speaker 1: it gets up to a certain point. We have enough

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Speaker 1: in the account. We're all going to take a trip

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Speaker 1: to investigate a really bizarre mystery in Tahiti. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we will be. Yeahs are not happening, Okay, is there

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Speaker 1: anything else? Any other details? Here. We need ready to

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Speaker 1: wrap this up already, So to everybody from from Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways and also from Mr Snuggles or at least one

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Speaker 1: of his descendants. Until next week, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: run aground. Oh damn it, I know,