WEBVTT - The Civil Rights Pioneer That History Forgot

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<v Speaker 1>It's the spring of nineteen during World War Two, students

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<v Speaker 1>at Howard University, the historically black college and Washington d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Were frustrated. Many of the students who came to Howard

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<v Speaker 1>came from other parts of the country where segregation didn't exist,

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<v Speaker 1>so when they got to Howard, they found themselves in

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood in Washington where the restaurants were segregated and

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<v Speaker 1>the nearest one was a white restaurant that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a meal at. The students sought help from the

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<v Speaker 1>most capable person they knew, a thirty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>black law student named Paully Murray. She was called upon

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<v Speaker 1>by a group of undergraduates, mostly women, who were interested

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<v Speaker 1>in trying to desegregate some of the restaurants and lunch counters,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she advised them, and they actually did something

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<v Speaker 1>they called stool sitting. The women, led by Murray, chose

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<v Speaker 1>the Little Palace Cafeteria for their unusual brand of protests,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Poli organized a sit in, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first in the entire country. On Saturday, April. The students,

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in their Sunday best, left the Howard campus in

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<v Speaker 1>groups of four and walked the ten minutes to the

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<v Speaker 1>Little Palace Cafeteria. The first group of four arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurant. Three students went inside, well one remained outside

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<v Speaker 1>to observe. When the students were refused service, they took

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<v Speaker 1>their empty trays to a table and sat down. They

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out books and pretended to study. No one said

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<v Speaker 1>a word. Then the next group of four students arrived

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<v Speaker 1>and did the same thing, and then another. The students

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<v Speaker 1>outside formed a picket line. They held signs that said

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<v Speaker 1>things like our boys are fighting for you. Why can't

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<v Speaker 1>we eat here? And we die together? Why can't we

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<v Speaker 1>eat together? Police were dispatched, but they didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do about a large group of black women protesting

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<v Speaker 1>peacefully at a restaurant, so they stood aside. The frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>owners of the Little Palace Cafeteria closed the rest staurant

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours early that day. Within forty eight hours, the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant agreed to serve black customers. It was an astounding

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights victory, one well ahead of its time. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be another fifteen years before there were successful restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>sit ins in this country. That's right. In the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forties, a group of black women, led by a

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<v Speaker 1>second year law student named Polly Murray, led the first

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<v Speaker 1>successful restaurant sit in in the nation's capital. But you

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't read about it in school, nor are you

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<v Speaker 1>likely to read much else about the Reverend Dr Polly Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>Murray was a lawyer, scholar, and civil rights activist who

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<v Speaker 1>was consistently ahead of her time, sometimes too far ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Her efforts laid the foundation for everything from the desegregation

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<v Speaker 1>of American schools to the early legal victories of the

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<v Speaker 1>women's movement, including a momentous law called Title nine. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>we gaine and ground. Dr Murray would expound, she lived

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<v Speaker 1>to see her loss. We've made so much headway. Let

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<v Speaker 1>us play, Let us plays. Welcome back to the thread.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sean Braswell. This season we began in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of Welcome everyone to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California,

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<v Speaker 1>as we prepare for the much anticipated final between China

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States. Women's World Cup Final was more

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<v Speaker 1>than a game. It was a defining moment in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of sports and of civil rights. Brandy Chastain's game

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<v Speaker 1>winning penalty kick for the U S national team had

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<v Speaker 1>the weight of history behind it, And as we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>on this season of The Thread, there were forces at

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<v Speaker 1>play on that soccer ball beyond just those from chastain

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<v Speaker 1>Is left foot. For one thing, that goal was assisted

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<v Speaker 1>by the members of the first women's national teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen eighties, whose determination helped pave the way

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<v Speaker 1>for the ninety nine team. It was choosing between doing

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<v Speaker 1>something you loved, playing soccer, or building a career and

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<v Speaker 1>actually making a living and having money. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>choice that the players had to make. Chastain's goal was

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<v Speaker 1>also the result of the members of the nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six Yale women's crew team, whose daring naked protest helped

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<v Speaker 1>expand opportunities for a new generation of female athletes. And

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to say it's okay for us to

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<v Speaker 1>be treated this way, what kind of message would that

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<v Speaker 1>be for us to send out into the universe. And

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<v Speaker 1>chast stains goal arose out of the thousands of girls

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<v Speaker 1>and young women who joined sports teams in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies in the wake of a landmark anti discrimination law

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<v Speaker 1>called Title nine. It arose thanks to the women who

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<v Speaker 1>guided Title nine pass the goal line. Women like Bunny

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler who when the doors of opportunity were slammed in

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<v Speaker 1>their faces, decided to push until they opened. For millions

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<v Speaker 1>of others. The doors gradually began to open as people

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<v Speaker 1>begin to talk about equal opportunity for girls and women,

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<v Speaker 1>and including women in sports. And once these doors opened,

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<v Speaker 1>women just charged through. Bunny Sandler and others supplied the

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<v Speaker 1>muscle and the tactics to get Title nine past in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, but to build the legal case against

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<v Speaker 1>sex discrimination required a true pioneer, someone uniquely positioned to

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<v Speaker 1>leverage the games made by the civil rights movement on

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<v Speaker 1>the question of race during the nineteen sixties and apply

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<v Speaker 1>them to the area of women's rights in the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>That person was Polly Murray. She was constantly concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she didn't fit into the society around her.

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<v Speaker 1>In an era that did not appreciate difference. Polly Murray

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<v Speaker 1>was about as different as you could get. She was

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<v Speaker 1>mixed race and transgender, discriminated against on the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>her race and her x But by the sheer force

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<v Speaker 1>of her own will, Polly Murray turned her difference into

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<v Speaker 1>a source of strength. Anna Pauline Polly Murray was born

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ten into very challenging circumstances. She was orphaned

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<v Speaker 1>at three. Her mother died of a stroke. Rosalind Rosenberg

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<v Speaker 1>is a professor Emerita at Barnard College in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and the author of Jane Crowe, The Life of Polly Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father was committed to a mental hospital, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was raised by her maternal grandparents and aunts in Durham,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. Young Polly experienced a profoundly segregated society in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. Barbara Law is executive director of the Polly

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<v Speaker 1>Murray Center for History and Social Justice in Durham, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Paully grew up in an important time period when there

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<v Speaker 1>was a shift between the hope and excitement of reconstruction

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<v Speaker 1>and the reinscription of Jim Crow and many segregation laws

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<v Speaker 1>in the South. Both sides of Murray's family were of

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<v Speaker 1>mixed race. She had ancestors who were slaves and slave owners.

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<v Speaker 1>Skin color varied quite a bit within her own immediate family.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Murray herself in an interview from the Southern

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<v Speaker 1>Oral History Program Collection at the University of North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>at Chapel Hill. She's talking about a time when she

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<v Speaker 1>was nine years old and went to the movies with

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<v Speaker 1>her five siblings. It was very clear that at least

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<v Speaker 1>four of us could go downtown to the movie soun

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<v Speaker 1>Saturdays to the right movie houses, and two of us couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And I happened to be one of the two. So

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<v Speaker 1>that says something to you about why I would become

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<v Speaker 1>a crusader for civil rights. But there were other reasons

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<v Speaker 1>besides her race that made life hard for Murray. She

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<v Speaker 1>believed from an early age that she was really a

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<v Speaker 1>boy boy, and her family uh indulged her in this belief,

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<v Speaker 1>calling her their boy girl. Throughout her youth, Murray preferred

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<v Speaker 1>boys clothes, boys chores, boys games. But when she graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from college and began writing, she chose the name Pauli

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<v Speaker 1>p a U l I for herself because it corresponded

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<v Speaker 1>to the sense of in between. This that she felt

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of being in between was something that she

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<v Speaker 1>felt from a very early age. Today, Murray might have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to embrace her transgender identity and live as

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<v Speaker 1>a transman if she wanted, but in the early twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>century it was a bumpy road. She suffered nervous breakdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>She had no language for her condition, no social movement

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<v Speaker 1>or support network. She grew up looking her whole life

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<v Speaker 1>for a way of becoming more male. But Murray didn't

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<v Speaker 1>let her identity struggles hold her back. She was determined

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed, and she was smart, really smart. She graduated

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<v Speaker 1>first in her high school class in North Carolina. She

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<v Speaker 1>was fifteen. She moved to New York, where her education

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<v Speaker 1>was relegated to a series of second choices. She was

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<v Speaker 1>rejected by Columbia University because she was a woman, so

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<v Speaker 1>she attended Hunter College. Then, after the University of North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina rejected her for graduate school because of her race,

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<v Speaker 1>she took up the cause of civil rights Barbara law again.

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<v Speaker 1>She realized that she was strong enough to be the

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<v Speaker 1>activist she wanted to be. She wrote in her journal

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<v Speaker 1>that one woman plus a typewriter equals a movement, and

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<v Speaker 1>Murray's activism inspired her to pack up her typewriter and

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<v Speaker 1>go one step further and become a lawyer. Murray got

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<v Speaker 1>a scholarship to attend Howard University Law School in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d c. She wanted to learn how to fight back

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<v Speaker 1>against racial discrimination. Author Rosalind Rosenberg again following Murray entered

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Law School at the beginning of World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>and she thought that she had really found an institution

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<v Speaker 1>where she could fit in. It had become the leading

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<v Speaker 1>training ground of civil rights activists and lawyers. So she thought,

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<v Speaker 1>this is perfect. I'm at a place I'll be accepted

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<v Speaker 1>as African American. But Murray wasn't accepted. Howard Law School

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<v Speaker 1>was an all male environment. Murray was the only woman

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire school besides the school's registrar. She became

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<v Speaker 1>aware of a whole new form of discrimination for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time. This is how Murray described it. I became

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<v Speaker 1>aware of sex prejudice. I became aware of it in

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<v Speaker 1>my freshman year at law school. It came upon me

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<v Speaker 1>as a terrible shop. I had not grown up in

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<v Speaker 1>a family where limitations were placed upon women, and I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought of myself in terms of women. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>of myself in preparing to be a civil rights lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for this cause. Murray's realization happened quickly Rosalind Rosenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the first day of class, one of the professors,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and the other students began um lamenting the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that here was a woman who had taken the place

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<v Speaker 1>of a man, and she couldn't understand how people who

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<v Speaker 1>were training to be civil rights lawyers could fail to

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<v Speaker 1>see the parallel between discrimination on the basis of race

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crow and what she came to call discrimination on

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of sex Jane Crowe. Murray was humiliated that

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<v Speaker 1>first day of class, but she did not respond to

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<v Speaker 1>her professor. She put it later, he guaranteed that I

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<v Speaker 1>would become the top student in his class. Murray quickly

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<v Speaker 1>learned that no matter how often she raised her hand

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<v Speaker 1>in class, she would rarely be called on. Murray only

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<v Speaker 1>worked harder. By the end of her first year, she

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<v Speaker 1>ranked first in her class. She focused her energies elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>to including on the sit in she organized in the

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<v Speaker 1>local community. Murray graduated from Howard Law School in still

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<v Speaker 1>first in her class and the only woman. But Murray

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<v Speaker 1>had accomplished even more than that in law school, more

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<v Speaker 1>than she or anyone else could have known. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time she graduated from law school, Murray had sketched out

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<v Speaker 1>a legal argument that would change the face of America.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next on the thread. Polly Murray attended law school

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen forties when racial inequality was still rampant

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<v Speaker 1>in America, segregation was legal thanks to a Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>decision in the famous case of Plessy versus Ferguson, in

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<v Speaker 1>which the court blessed separate but equal facilities for blacks

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<v Speaker 1>and whites. Murray decided to address the Plessy case in

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<v Speaker 1>segregation in her final year of law school Barbara Law

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<v Speaker 1>the director of the Polly Murray Center. As a third

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<v Speaker 1>year student, Poully wrote a final paper, and she decided

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<v Speaker 1>to take on what had been a very thorny issue

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<v Speaker 1>uh school desegregation. And instead of the strategies that had

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<v Speaker 1>been employed by many of these attorneys to push for

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<v Speaker 1>the separate but equal, improving the equal side of the equation,

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<v Speaker 1>Paully felt like it was important to take on schools

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<v Speaker 1>segregation head on. Murray senior paper laid out a legal

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<v Speaker 1>strategy to strike down Plessy and racial segregation in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>She argued that it violated the thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>which outlawed slavery, and the fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees blacks

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<v Speaker 1>and other Americans equal protection of the laws. Again. Author

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<v Speaker 1>Rosalind Rosenberg Paully's contribution was to argue that it was

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<v Speaker 1>time for lawyers to attack discrimination and segregation head on,

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<v Speaker 1>and to argue that both were illegal under the Thirteenth

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<v Speaker 1>and the fourteenth Amendments because they were based on categories

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<v Speaker 1>that were illegitimate. Murray made her case with a deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the history surrounding the Plessy case and other

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<v Speaker 1>decisions and laws supporting segregation. My intense desire was to

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<v Speaker 1>find a legal basis for overruling the segregation positions, and

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<v Speaker 1>I worked on that intensively for almost a whole year,

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<v Speaker 1>going back through the congressional records of the period to

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<v Speaker 1>try to see if I could not show that the

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth Amendment was intended to strike down not only the

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<v Speaker 1>legal relationship of slavery but also the badges of servitude.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie's classmates and professors laughed when they heard her argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Most civil rights lawyers considered Plessy to be settled law

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore pointless to attack. Barbara Lau people didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>much of this argument at the time she wrote the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually made a bet with one of her law

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<v Speaker 1>professors that Plessy versus. Ferguson would be overturned in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years and people thought that was actually comical. But

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, she won that bet Rosalind Rosenberg, Murray

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<v Speaker 1>was able to persuade an old friend Third Good Marshal,

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<v Speaker 1>who was head of litigation at the Double A CP,

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<v Speaker 1>that her argument could work, and in fact, in only

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ninety four the argument one in Brown versus

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Education and segregation was deemed illegal. The Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court's unanimous decision in Brown versus Board of Education is

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the most significant in its history. Third Good Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>called Murray's scholarship the quote bible of the civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 1>The few law students learned about Murray's role in crafting

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<v Speaker 1>the argument that carried the day in Brown Barbara Law. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Pauli was never acknowledged for that contribution, but her ideas

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<v Speaker 1>and legal strategies would win out over and over throughout

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<v Speaker 1>her life. The victory and Brown was just the start

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<v Speaker 1>of Murray's legal legacy and her impact as a legal scholar,

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<v Speaker 1>but the journey was riddled with setbacks. Murray won a

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<v Speaker 1>prestigious fellowship when she graduated from Howard. The fellowship allowed

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<v Speaker 1>its recipients to attend Harvard Law School for a graduate

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<v Speaker 1>legal study, at least its male recipients. Paul Murray, I

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<v Speaker 1>did not know that Harvard did not admit women, and

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<v Speaker 1>and did not believe my professors and fellow students when

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<v Speaker 1>they kidded me and said how Harvard would not let

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<v Speaker 1>me in because I was a woman. Murray experienced another

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<v Speaker 1>formative rejection at the March on Washington. In Those of

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<v Speaker 1>you who listened to season three of The Thread about

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<v Speaker 1>the History of non violence will remember the important role

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<v Speaker 1>that a Quaker name Bayard Rustin played in organizing the

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<v Speaker 1>famous march. Rustin, like Murray, was an outsider, an unsung

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights leader who suffered from what he called the

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<v Speaker 1>double cross of being black and gay. His non violent

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<v Speaker 1>protest tactics were one of the inspirations for the sit

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<v Speaker 1>in Murray organized at Howard. Author Rosalind Rosenberg Well Rustin

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<v Speaker 1>was an old friend. They had met in the early forties,

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<v Speaker 1>and she admired him greatly, but she was furious when

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<v Speaker 1>she learned that Ruston was going to confine the speakers

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<v Speaker 1>at the March on Washington two men. The March on

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<v Speaker 1>Washington was a historic event. Just before dawn, the marchers

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<v Speaker 1>began to assemble here first in a trickle of hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>then by the thousands, still by eleven this morning, they

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<v Speaker 1>stood almost a shoulder to shoulder, nearly two hundred thousand strong,

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<v Speaker 1>ready to make the long walk down Constitution Avenue to

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<v Speaker 1>the Lincoln Memorial. But that day, not a single woman

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<v Speaker 1>walked alongside leaders like Rustin and Martin Luther King Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>At the front of the march. Not a single woman

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<v Speaker 1>stood at the podium to address the massive crowd at

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<v Speaker 1>the Lincoln Memorial, a fact that did not go unnoticed

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<v Speaker 1>by Polly Murray Barbara laugh She just couldn't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't see the hypocrisy of this, that they were

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for the rights of people independent of their race,

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<v Speaker 1>but they couldn't see how their actions were turning around

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<v Speaker 1>and discriminating against women when women were the backbone of

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<v Speaker 1>the organizations and the actions of the civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Murray could see the hypocrisy, and that understanding might have

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated her, but it also set her apart from most

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<v Speaker 1>of the other civil rights leaders of her generation. Murray

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<v Speaker 1>called race and sex her quote, two problems I must

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<v Speaker 1>always be concerned not theoretically, but I must be involved

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<v Speaker 1>with and necessarily concerned with racial liberation, but I must

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<v Speaker 1>also personally be concerned with sexual liberation because the two

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<v Speaker 1>is I often say the two meet in meet Rosalind Rosenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Pably Murray coined the term Jane Crowe while at law

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<v Speaker 1>school as a alternative to Jim Crowe. And what she

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<v Speaker 1>meant by Jane Crowe was that discrimination on the basis

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<v Speaker 1>of sex or we would now say gender, was just

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<v Speaker 1>as rumful as discrimination on the basis of race, and

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<v Speaker 1>that in fact, Black women had the double discrimination of

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<v Speaker 1>race and gender. And in nineteen sixty four, Polly Murray

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<v Speaker 1>got to put her ideas about double discrimination to good

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<v Speaker 1>use in support of a historic piece of legislation. The

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights movement had been pressing for federal legislation to

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<v Speaker 1>support civil rights for decades, but it had always been

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<v Speaker 1>buried in committee in Congress by Southern conservatives. The Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act of nineteen sixty four was fiercely debated in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>A key amendment added a single word to Title seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the bill that dealt with discrimination and employment,

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<v Speaker 1>and that amendment was the word sex. That employers should

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<v Speaker 1>be barred from discriminating not only on the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>race and national origin and religion, but also on the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of sex. Many members of Congress did not think

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<v Speaker 1>that sex discrimination should be in the bill. Others hoped

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<v Speaker 1>its inclusion would sink the bill altogether. So supporters were

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to make their case that sex belonged alongside race

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<v Speaker 1>and the legislation. Not surprisingly, they came to Murray for help.

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<v Speaker 1>Pauly Murray decided to write a memo, and she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a memo um advancing the idea that in order for

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<v Speaker 1>race discrimination to be effective, it had to be effective

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<v Speaker 1>for black women as well as black men. Murray's argument

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<v Speaker 1>that sex and race discrimination operated to reinforce one another

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<v Speaker 1>provided the ammunition needed to solidify support around the bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that memo, among massive support from many other

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<v Speaker 1>women leaders UH, finally led to sex being put back

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<v Speaker 1>in the bill. Murray had quietly shaped the course of

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<v Speaker 1>legal history. Yet again, Longress passes the most sweeping civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights bill ever to be written into the law, and

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<v Speaker 1>thus reaffirms the conception of equality that began with Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>and the Civil Law. One years ago, Paully Murray was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting warmed up Title seven of the Civil Rights

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<v Speaker 1>Act of nineteen sixty four created a new legal framework

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<v Speaker 1>for enforcing equality in America, but it did not outlaw

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<v Speaker 1>sex discrimination wholesale, and most Americans, including everyone from members

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress to civil rights lawyers, still did not take

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<v Speaker 1>sex discrimination seriously. To get from Title seven to Title

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<v Speaker 1>nine eight years later, not to mention, the landmark cases

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<v Speaker 1>won by lawyers like Ruth Bader Ginsburg in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies required much more work up next. How Polly Murray

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<v Speaker 1>crafted another winning legal strategy, one that would help extend

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<v Speaker 1>the gains made by the civil rights movement during the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties to the women's movement of the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>The late nineteen sixties was a period of frustration in

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<v Speaker 1>the women's movement in America. Women's groups were disorganized. They

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't agree on the best legal or political strategies to

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<v Speaker 1>advance their interests. Should they be pushing for a constitutional amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>the so called Equal Rights Amendment, in order to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>ginger equality, could they afford to wait for such a measure?

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<v Speaker 1>Pauli Murray stepped into this chaos with an answer, one

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<v Speaker 1>built upon her own experiences with discrimination and her successful

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<v Speaker 1>legal argument in Brown versus Board of Education, Murray wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a key legal article entitled Jane Crow and the Law.

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<v Speaker 1>She argued the solution to the problem of sex discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>lay in an expanded understanding of the Equal Protection Clause

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Supreme Court had endorsed Murray's

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<v Speaker 1>argument in Brown that race was an unreasonable basis for

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<v Speaker 1>classification under the Equal Protection Clause. Why not try to

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<v Speaker 1>persuade the court that sex was also an unacceptable basis?

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<v Speaker 1>Author Rosalind Rosenberg and the argument was the argument she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been making all of her life, that gender, like race,

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<v Speaker 1>is an arbitrary category without clear boundaries, and therefore an

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<v Speaker 1>illegitimate basis for discrimination in the law. Murray's legal arguments

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<v Speaker 1>also had an impact on one particular young lawyer, Ruth

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<v Speaker 1>Bader Ginsburg, took a position at Rector's Law School in

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen sixties. A group of students asked her

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<v Speaker 1>to teach a course on women in the law. Ginsburg

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<v Speaker 1>had never taught that before, so she spent the summer

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<v Speaker 1>researching the area. One of the articles that she read

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<v Speaker 1>over that summer was Jane Crow and the and the Law.

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<v Speaker 1>The article itself became the basis of the first brief

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<v Speaker 1>that she wrote that one a victory in the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>The case was read the read decided in ninetee, in

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<v Speaker 1>which the Supreme Court for the first time ruled that

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<v Speaker 1>the equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment could be

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<v Speaker 1>used to protect women from gender discrimination. Ginsburg acknowledged her

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<v Speaker 1>debt to Paully Murray. She put Murray's name along with

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<v Speaker 1>the name of another trailblazing lawyer, Dorothy Kenyon, on the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court brief in read. Two names appear on the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of Paully Murray and Dorothy Kenyon. This is Ginsburg,

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<v Speaker 1>now a justice on the U. S. Supreme Court. In

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<v Speaker 1>we knew that we were standing on their shoulders. They

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<v Speaker 1>were saying the same thing in the fifties and the

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<v Speaker 1>sixties that we were saying in the seventies. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers like Ginsburg, Murray's Fourteenth Amendment strategy was vindicated, and

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the nineteen seventies, a series of

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<v Speaker 1>victories were one based on Murray's argument that sex discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>paralleled race discrimination. One of those victories was the passage

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<v Speaker 1>of Title nine Rosalind Rosenberg. Pauly Murray's argument that gender

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<v Speaker 1>was like race an arbitrary category with no clear boundaries

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>was essential to the passage of Title nine. By arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that discrimination against someone just because she was a girl

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<v Speaker 1>was constitutionally impermissible. That meant a there was tremendous pressure

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<v Speaker 1>brought against schools to begin to provide girls with the

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<v Speaker 1>same kinds of opportunities that boys had always been able

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<v Speaker 1>to take for granted. Poly Murray died in at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of seventy four. Before her death, she accomplished many

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<v Speaker 1>more historic firsts. She was a co founder of now,

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<v Speaker 1>the National Organization for Women. She was the first African

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<v Speaker 1>American to receive a doctorate from Yale Law School. She

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<v Speaker 1>was ordained as the first black female priest in the

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<v Speaker 1>Episcopal Church. The list goes on. Rosalind Rosenberg says poly

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<v Speaker 1>Murray used her own in between identity as a bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>a bridge between white and black, male and female, rich

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<v Speaker 1>and poor, a bridge to fight for the acceptance of

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<v Speaker 1>all people's society detegrated as different. Poly Murray never publicly

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<v Speaker 1>identified herself as a lesbian or as transgender. She never

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<v Speaker 1>argued that uh there should should be equality for gays

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<v Speaker 1>and lesbians or for transgender people, but she spoken code

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<v Speaker 1>she spoke about the importance of protecting social minorities. Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>laugh She was just so ahead of her time in

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<v Speaker 1>so many ways that people didn't understand the gravity of

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<v Speaker 1>what she was suggesting. So what I always say is,

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<v Speaker 1>while she might not have been a woman of her time,

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<v Speaker 1>she is certainly a woman of our time. And Murray's

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<v Speaker 1>words continue to resonate today. As one begins to assume

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<v Speaker 1>that one is equal to other people, not superita, not

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>in fury, but equal as a human being, one does

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>begin to feel free. I cannot persuade or force other

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<v Speaker 1>Americans to live up to this tree, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a personal responsibility for doing my part to make

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<v Speaker 1>this dream come true as as much as possible. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>in our final episode of this season, we arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>the origin of our thread, title seven of the Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Paul Murray helped keep

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<v Speaker 1>the words sex in that law, but she was not

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<v Speaker 1>the woman responsible for the word being in there in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. When the laughter stops, Martha Griffith stands

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<v Speaker 1>up and says, you know, I guess if there's any

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<v Speaker 1>question that women are a second class, you know your

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>response would prove that we'll learn more about Martha Griffith's

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<v Speaker 1>the formidable congresswoman behind Title seven sex discrimination ban, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll bring things full circle back to women's soccer. In

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<v Speaker 1>March nineteen, the current U S women's national team filed

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<v Speaker 1>a gender discrimination lawsuit against the US Soccer Federation that

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<v Speaker 1>alleges unequal pay in working conditions. And do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what the main law is that the team claims was violated?

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<v Speaker 1>You got it? Title seven of the Civil Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen has the author William Faulkner famously put it,

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