Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hermano Scutierrez may be an instrumental guitar band, but
Speaker 1: they have zero interest in shredding. Instead, the Swiss Ecuadorian
Speaker 1: brothers Estevan and Alejandro Gutierrez take a minimalist approach to playing.
Speaker 1: They create hypnotic, sweeping compositions inspired by classical Latin guitar,
Speaker 1: and also film scores from old spaghetti westerns. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, after releasing three albums independently, Hermano Scutier is
Speaker 1: signed to Easy I Sound, a label owned and operated
Speaker 1: by Dan Aarbach, guitarist and vocalist of The Black Keys.
Speaker 1: Last October, they released the album Albueno e el Malo
Speaker 1: to critical acclaim. The album features the song trace Hermanos,
Speaker 1: where Arbach joins the brothers on guitar. Today we'll hear
Speaker 1: Estevan and Alijandro played that song, along with a couple
Speaker 1: other songs, live from our Bach studio in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I also talked to Hermano scutierres about how their brotherly
Speaker 1: spats sometimes fuel their plane. Then they recall a recent
Speaker 1: performance in Mexico City where they played during a volcanic
Speaker 1: eruption and how Dan Aarbach knew he wanted to meet
Speaker 1: with Hermano scutierres after seeing them play for just fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: This is broken record liner notes for the digital age.
Speaker 1: I'm justin Mitchman. Before we jump into my interview with
Speaker 1: Hermano Scutierrez, let's hear them play Thunderbird live from Easy
Speaker 1: I Sound Studio in Nashville.
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Speaker 4: About the.
Speaker 1: So beautiful listening to you guys, thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are sweet guitars. Those are beautiful, thank you man,
Speaker 1: you man. Those both gretches.
Speaker 6: I have a gretch, yes, sir.
Speaker 7: I have a silver Tone fourteen forty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you guys always played those guitars?
Speaker 6: No, not always.
Speaker 7: I played a Fender Mexican Series when I started straight. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's the guitar I started with.
Speaker 8: And I played a Gibson I think it was a
Speaker 8: three thirty nine or thirty five, like the small one
Speaker 8: and so cool.
Speaker 1: I want to gratch. I really want to gratch. That's
Speaker 1: like my dream.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these are cool. I mean I should just do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't just yeah, but sometimes
Speaker 1: I like to have these dreams that are kind of
Speaker 1: it's not so hard, bro.
Speaker 3: Go buy what.
Speaker 1: Did you guys program? The the play us on your Spotify.
Speaker 1: There's a few artists playlists on there. You won't call
Speaker 1: the Sounds of the World that's us, that's from Yeah
Speaker 1: we did that. Yeah, I was I was loving. I
Speaker 1: was loving the Volume. I was loving all of them.
Speaker 1: The Volume ones in particular.
Speaker 7: Always the first ones, they're the best.
Speaker 1: Obviously, being part Ecuadorian, part Swiss growing up in Europe,
Speaker 1: did you have access to a lot of music from
Speaker 1: Latin America?
Speaker 6: Man, not really.
Speaker 8: I think when we could listen to this music was
Speaker 8: every time. Then we went to Ecuador to visit the family,
Speaker 8: you know, and so our grandfather was the one who
Speaker 8: showed us like a lot of stuff.
Speaker 6: I remember that.
Speaker 8: I have a little tape of Julio Haramo that he
Speaker 8: bought me on the corner of our town and I
Speaker 8: still have it, and it's like it's like my first
Speaker 8: memory of having like the access to Latin Latin music.
Speaker 7: I remember I bought one of those copies in Ecuador,
Speaker 7: you know, the black copies, not the original ones from Fania,
Speaker 7: and they had those compilations from Fanya with a lot
Speaker 7: of salsa. That was the first time, but not until
Speaker 7: I was maybe fifteen sixteen years old. So I got
Speaker 7: back to Switzerland, I was listening to those kind of tracks,
Speaker 7: and I think they were not so available here in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to grow up in La where
Speaker 1: you know, there's like lots of Spanish music, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's always just whatever it's programmed on the radio, you know,
Speaker 1: and so like there is a radio station though, called
Speaker 1: k Jazz. I was at a long beach and they
Speaker 1: used to have a show called Jazz on the Latin
Speaker 1: side on like on Saturday night. So we would always whenever,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd always jam like late and then turn
Speaker 1: on like around midnight or one am Jazz on the
Speaker 1: Latin side, and it would be like Ray Burretto and
Speaker 1: like all these rare like they called them, like rare groove.
Speaker 1: At the time, it sounded like the coolest thing. It
Speaker 1: sounded inaccessible, you know, like it was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what this music is. I don't really speak Spanish.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're saying. It sounds like rock
Speaker 1: music and like jazz, but it's coming from like you know,
Speaker 1: Ecuador or Peru, and it just was like, it felt
Speaker 1: like it was a whole.
Speaker 7: New world of things to discover and that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It was such a cool thing to have as a
Speaker 1: music fan.
Speaker 6: I like the name rare grooves. That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I don't know why I was
Speaker 1: called that at the time, but at the time I
Speaker 1: think it was a lot of DJs would spend it
Speaker 1: and call it rare groups. Cool man, What were you
Speaker 1: guys listening to when you first started playing guitar? What
Speaker 1: were your guitar inspirations? Who were your guitar heroes.
Speaker 8: I started to play the guitar when I was in
Speaker 8: second grade and I started to play.
Speaker 6: The Argentinian folk music.
Speaker 8: There's a special type of it's called milonga and this
Speaker 8: is like this fingerpicking style and I fell in love
Speaker 8: with that music. And I just played this kind of
Speaker 8: style because my teacher also just showed me that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so that was my first access to guitar music. Was
Speaker 8: classical guitar? You had a classical Yeah, I still have
Speaker 8: the one that I got it from my father, and
Speaker 8: that's the one when I learned to play the guitar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, how did you fall in love with that.
Speaker 3: What made you?
Speaker 8: I think you could like hear the the sadness and
Speaker 8: like the melancholy melan Coleah, I say, melancho melankly in
Speaker 8: the sounds, even without somebody to sing it, you know.
Speaker 8: And that impressed me because I was also able to
Speaker 8: put my feelings into the way how I played the guitar,
Speaker 8: because that was my teacher told me, Hey, you can
Speaker 8: play a tone different. You can play just to play it,
Speaker 8: but you can also put feelings into it. And that's
Speaker 8: what I really learned. And yeah, I'm grateful for that
Speaker 8: that I learned.
Speaker 1: That was that in Switzerland, Yes, where you took lessons, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: were you in the music before you discovered Milano.
Speaker 6: It's called Milonga. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think that was actually the first thing that I
Speaker 8: really learned of music. Yeah, because I didn't know. Our
Speaker 8: father didn't listen to rock music or all the cool stuff.
Speaker 8: He listened to classical orchestra music Sunday mornings.
Speaker 6: I remember that.
Speaker 8: I think I got to know the cool sound when
Speaker 8: I was like around fifteen to twenty years old. So
Speaker 8: then I I discovered, oh, there's way more cool music,
Speaker 8: you know, like rock music and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Were you into the music your dad played, like the
Speaker 1: classical stuff.
Speaker 8: Not really, it was like, okay, it's Sunday morning, you know,
Speaker 8: but it was like also kind of interesting to know
Speaker 8: that there exists music that is just instrumental and you
Speaker 8: can feel all the passion and all the feelings in
Speaker 8: that music.
Speaker 1: What's the age difference between you two.
Speaker 7: It's eight years older that guy.
Speaker 1: So was Alejandro was a Sunday morning classical sessions. Was
Speaker 1: that so happening when you were young to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was just about going to tell you it
Speaker 7: was my brother Esteban who inspired me to pick up
Speaker 7: the guitar because I grew up with this sound every
Speaker 7: time he was playing the guitar. It was just a
Speaker 7: big inspiration. So when he left for one period, like
Speaker 7: for one year he went to Ecuador, there was just
Speaker 7: an absence of that kind of music in our place.
Speaker 3: So what I did.
Speaker 7: I picked the guitar and I was like, I want
Speaker 7: to learn how to play the guitar, and I watched
Speaker 7: a lot of YouTube tutorial and back in that time
Speaker 7: it was the time of Jack Johnson sing a songwriter,
Speaker 7: the surf tool, you know, and I really tried to
Speaker 7: learn those courts but I never like to play covers,
Speaker 7: so I really tried to have my own style from
Speaker 7: the beginning. And one guy which inspired me a lot
Speaker 7: was Gone Silence, like the Swedish argentineing guy with his
Speaker 7: guitar and the first record that he played like Crosses,
Speaker 7: that's such a good track and such a good album.
Speaker 7: And there's the other side, which is more coming from
Speaker 7: film and cinema, like the movies from Alejandrinati to the
Speaker 7: Mexican director with the collaboration with Gustavo Santolaya, which you know,
Speaker 7: so I think it was just a mix of a
Speaker 7: lot of things happening around that time.
Speaker 1: Gustavo's yeah, he's the king all around.
Speaker 7: Yeah, even like on the last series with the Last
Speaker 7: of Us, you know, like he's he's so present and
Speaker 7: gives so much depth to movies and it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bit of a magine, it seems like
Speaker 1: to me. Of course, So you didn't have guitar lessons,
Speaker 1: you kind of lead it on your own.
Speaker 6: Ever, it's just on my own.
Speaker 8: And the funny thing is when he told me, hey,
Speaker 8: I'm learning the guitar, because I knew that he kind
Speaker 8: of started to play a bit when before I left,
Speaker 8: But then he like told me, hey, I learned in
Speaker 8: that year.
Speaker 6: To play the guitar.
Speaker 7: And I was like, okay, cool, he can play chords
Speaker 7: a bit.
Speaker 6: And then I came back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was so impressed, you know, like fingerpicking, and
Speaker 8: also he came up with stuff that I was like wow,
Speaker 8: and so yeah, I'm really grateful that he started to
Speaker 8: do that. And then the first time that we played
Speaker 8: together was just magical, you know, which just connected and
Speaker 8: we felt like, hey, that's it's it's really cool what
Speaker 8: we have.
Speaker 1: Before he even started playing guitar as the Bomb, were
Speaker 1: you playing music with other people?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Not really no No.
Speaker 8: I was always like playing by myself sometimes jamming with friends,
Speaker 8: you know, but it I also never liked to play covers.
Speaker 8: It felt always like I don't know. And then when
Speaker 8: we started to play, he came up and he said, hey,
Speaker 8: why don't you visit me. I have like an idea
Speaker 8: on the guitar, bring your guitar. Then he showed me
Speaker 8: a song and he said, hey, something is missing. Why
Speaker 8: don't you play over it? And I came up with
Speaker 8: a melody and he was like, that's exactly what I
Speaker 8: was missing. And that's like how we write songs, you know,
Speaker 8: it's always one of us comes up with an idea
Speaker 8: and then something is missing and the other fills it
Speaker 8: up without telling or asking the other one. Hey what
Speaker 8: do you need and you know, like a melody or something.
Speaker 8: It's really we have a gift and they were very
Speaker 8: grateful for that.
Speaker 1: Aleander, do you remember what that idea was that you
Speaker 1: played on that first idea?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the first track Elmar. That was the
Speaker 7: first song we ever written together.
Speaker 1: Do you do you mind playing some of the playing
Speaker 1: some of the chords, Yeah, of course, without Askteban first,
Speaker 1: just maybe just like just the chords as he brought.
Speaker 3: It to them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7: And actually we played it the other way, so he
Speaker 7: had the melody and I had the courts. But now
Speaker 7: with the set and trying to blid like a certain dynamic,
Speaker 7: we changed it so I applied the melody now. But
Speaker 7: that was the first melody ever from their mannos, So cool.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a thought early on, like in those
Speaker 1: initial times you guys have those first ideas to put
Speaker 1: words or well do you guys singers and you feel like.
Speaker 7: Luckily, no, no, no, no, never we never thought about it,
Speaker 7: and since we're huge fans of just soundtracks and film scores,
Speaker 7: and within our limitations, we were like, no, it's it's.
Speaker 6: Not going to work with vocals.
Speaker 7: And to be honest, it was not like a conceptional
Speaker 7: thing like Okay, if we don't have vocals, we have
Speaker 7: like the potential to maybe travel more, you know, around
Speaker 7: the world because there's no boundaries because no vocals, like
Speaker 7: everyone can understand. So yeah, it was just very clear
Speaker 7: from the beginning on it just got to be instrumental.
Speaker 1: Were you guys growing up before music, did you guys
Speaker 1: get along very well? Or were you guys like combatitive
Speaker 1: as siblings?
Speaker 8: No, what you guys, we always had a close connection.
Speaker 8: I think we're battling now more than when we did
Speaker 8: when we grew up.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, maybe is keeping us together right now. It's
Speaker 7: really that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But then I'm the oldest, he's the youngest. We're in
Speaker 8: total four and we always had this connection, you know,
Speaker 8: and then when he got older, we kind of start
Speaker 8: to have like the same interest, you know, like in.
Speaker 6: Fashion, jewelry.
Speaker 8: We love vintage stuff, and yeah, it's everything that we
Speaker 8: produce by ourselves. Was always so natural and so much fun,
Speaker 8: you know, to do artwork songs like all these merge
Speaker 8: that we produce by ourselves.
Speaker 6: It was always very cool and it still is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you guys designing it by yourselves too?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 7: For the first four records, we did all the artwork
Speaker 7: and stuff.
Speaker 1: At what point after those ideas started percolating, did you
Speaker 1: guys realize you wanted to record stuff.
Speaker 8: It was actually that night because we were jamming. We
Speaker 8: had like three four songs of that that song that
Speaker 8: we played you, and so his roommate came into the
Speaker 8: in our room and he was like, wow, that's amazing
Speaker 8: from which band is that?
Speaker 6: And we were like, that's our music.
Speaker 8: And then he was the one that said, hey, you
Speaker 8: guys should record, play concerts and then put out an
Speaker 8: LP and whatever.
Speaker 6: And we were like, all right, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Where were your first shows?
Speaker 6: We played in Zurich.
Speaker 8: We started to play in Zurich like small venues, and
Speaker 8: then we decided to record our first album, which is
Speaker 8: called Ochuanius because of our age difference in Berlin. We
Speaker 8: went to a friend, we did a road trip. We
Speaker 8: packed all our amps and stuff, and we didn't know
Speaker 8: what we're going to do. You know, we just wanted
Speaker 8: to record and then yeah, it happened and it got
Speaker 8: how do you say words around? Like friends were passing
Speaker 8: our music, and we never had like the the idea
Speaker 8: of yeah, getting more known by our music. We always
Speaker 8: like to do it and to have it as a
Speaker 8: memory for ourselves because it's beautiful what we do.
Speaker 6: And I never heard my brother talking. So I feel good, man,
Speaker 6: I feel good. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Usually he's the shy guy and he's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: in the back, But I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's a connection between you.
Speaker 8: It's just between you and me, you know, all right,
Speaker 8: because otherwise when there's some people, I don't like to
Speaker 8: talk that much.
Speaker 6: And I'll feel good right now.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, were you guys exploring other like career paths
Speaker 1: or anything? Like? What were you guys up to at
Speaker 1: the time beside music? Was there any man?
Speaker 7: I was working in the coffee place and I did
Speaker 7: those flat whites with the swans and the hearts and
Speaker 7: all that shit. But I'm glad I left that place
Speaker 7: and just this whole career and now we're into art
Speaker 7: and it's much more meaningful and important to us.
Speaker 1: What's the music scene in Zurich, like what's going on
Speaker 1: over there?
Speaker 7: To be honest, I never I was never really into
Speaker 7: the music scene in Zurich. But there are some venues
Speaker 7: which they're popular to invite like international artists. But the
Speaker 7: local scene I would live. I would tell you a
Speaker 7: naymore like even tell you it looks like it's hard,
Speaker 7: it's hard to capture. Maybe there's not a big music scene.
Speaker 7: That's why it's not so present. It's not like here
Speaker 7: in Nashville, where you know, like you come to the
Speaker 7: airport and you see like Gibson guitars and they look
Speaker 7: like they're in a museum.
Speaker 6: That's so unique.
Speaker 7: You don't have that culture in Zurich, not at all.
Speaker 1: What's it like being in a place like Tennessee just
Speaker 1: as a musician just kind of soaking that stuff in
Speaker 1: because so much of the music did you guys play,
Speaker 1: at least to my ear, it sounds like coming a
Speaker 1: lot of it coming from America as whether it's Latin
Speaker 1: America or you know, the States of course. What's it
Speaker 1: like to soak in the music culture around Tennessee?
Speaker 8: I mean, it's an honor to be here. You know,
Speaker 8: it's incredible. You can feel that music is like number
Speaker 8: one in the city and there's so much history. Also, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's like coming home. We have friends here, we have
Speaker 8: our studio here, and yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: You know, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: Being so international as you guys are. How do you
Speaker 1: guys organize your home lives? Like where you guys live in?
Speaker 7: I mean, we always go back to Switzerland because our
Speaker 7: family is there, so it's like the safe heaven, the
Speaker 7: safe place because everything is just working there so nasty,
Speaker 7: so you can just lay back and like rest a
Speaker 7: little bit. But we're traveling a lot in this year
Speaker 7: and even the last year it's been a lobbying on
Speaker 7: the road, so it's a mixture between being in hotels
Speaker 7: and being back with the family.
Speaker 6: But it's nice. I really enjoy it.
Speaker 7: It's also very inspiring to be on the road and
Speaker 7: meet new people and connect with different parts of the world.
Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back with more from Hermano's Gutiers. We're back with
Speaker 1: more from Hermano's Gutiers. Do you guys mind playing.
Speaker 7: Course, So let's start with the Windard Malone. That was
Speaker 7: the first track that we actually recorded in the studio
Speaker 7: and it was here in this room, so it feels
Speaker 7: special to be back.
Speaker 6: All right, man, we're.
Speaker 3: Ready anything AKA.
Speaker 9: The Sometime Sime way.
Speaker 1: Such such a great energy than oh man, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. How did you guys get connected with Dan
Speaker 1: Ourbrock in the studio out there?
Speaker 8: Our management, which is also based in Los Angeles, knows
Speaker 8: the management of Easy I Sound, so the management of
Speaker 8: Easy tom Osborne. He showed Dan on a weekly meeting.
Speaker 8: Before the meeting started, actually he said, hey, Dan, check
Speaker 8: out these these two brothers. And so Dan watch it
Speaker 8: on the laptop, like ten fifteen seconds of our first video,
Speaker 8: and then he closed the laptop and said, yeah, let's
Speaker 8: have a call with the boys.
Speaker 1: So that's it.
Speaker 7: It's pretty pretty short, pretty cool.
Speaker 8: And then we had a call for like fifteen twenty
Speaker 8: minutes with Dan and and Alan the sound engineer, and
Speaker 8: it was clear that we wanted to do something together
Speaker 8: and it felt like that's it.
Speaker 1: I get why it only took fifteen seconds, man, because
Speaker 1: like the sound is pretty immediate, like it's it's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't take very long to realize what you're listening to.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is a sound you know.
Speaker 7: I think it's harder for us to realize what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 7: sometimes we're on stage and we're like, what are we
Speaker 7: doing here? You know, like are people gonna get it?
Speaker 7: And it's just yeah, apparently it's happening. It's working.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: If you're on stage with the band and like a
Speaker 1: lead vocalist or something like that, there's stuff you can
Speaker 1: kind of hide behind where it's just you two on
Speaker 1: stage and you're seated with your guitars and you're playing,
Speaker 1: like you can't kind of hide behind a ton of
Speaker 1: theatrics or behind other people, and it's like, you guys
Speaker 1: are kind of really exposed as I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And funny thing is also every time still feels
Speaker 8: like the first time that we've kind of played in
Speaker 8: his room, you know, so it's always like we're in
Speaker 8: front of a lot of people, but it still feels
Speaker 8: like it's just the two of us playing, And it's
Speaker 8: really cool because sometimes I forget about it, you know,
Speaker 8: and it just feels good to play with my brother.
Speaker 1: How much you guys just in your day to day
Speaker 1: lives trying to come up with ideas to bring to one.
Speaker 7: Another always, man, I think it's part of my daily
Speaker 7: routine just to pick up the guitar. And sometimes it's
Speaker 7: just like even like ten minutes, maybe five minutes. Maybe
Speaker 7: it's an hour, maybe it's two hours. But I try
Speaker 7: to do to play the guitar every day and just
Speaker 7: like create something. Yeah, it always depends because sometimes I
Speaker 7: play like every.
Speaker 8: Day, but sometimes I also feel like that my body
Speaker 8: and my mind kind of need to take like a
Speaker 8: distance from the guitar because it's also very personal, you know.
Speaker 8: I try to put my feelings into songs, you know,
Speaker 8: and sometimes it's just I don't know, I'm not in
Speaker 8: the mood or I'm not I don't feel any inspiration,
Speaker 8: and then I kind of give it the space, you know,
Speaker 8: to be like, hey, it's okay not to.
Speaker 6: Touch the guitar.
Speaker 8: And then it's always cool because when I kind of
Speaker 8: play again, I always come up with something small, something new,
Speaker 8: or something different, and so I think sometimes the space
Speaker 8: between you and the instrument is important.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Are you able to realize what inspires you or are
Speaker 1: you unaware? Is it just sort of coming through and
Speaker 1: you don't even know what it is? It's activated the
Speaker 1: creative response.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think if something happens, I'm not sure
Speaker 7: this is going to be a song, but for sure
Speaker 7: it's going to be there and it's going to be
Speaker 7: an inspiration. I think traveling and meeting people it's a
Speaker 7: big inspiration, or even like touring. We went to Texas
Speaker 7: two months ago, and I remember I came back and
Speaker 7: it was just such a great tour that I felt
Speaker 7: so inspired just because I loved what we were doing.
Speaker 7: So I said, like, Okay, if we're going to put
Speaker 7: out more music, I'm going to be able to do
Speaker 7: more of that kind of stuff, you know, stuff which
Speaker 7: is fun. So that was interesting. But I think in general,
Speaker 7: it's life, life, which is an inspiration to come up
Speaker 7: with new ideas. So even the fights that we're having
Speaker 7: as brothers, it's always like we're growing on this path together.
Speaker 7: Sometimes we're more apart from each other, but it always
Speaker 7: brings us back. So I think like this relationship is
Speaker 7: maybe the main source for the inspiration they were having.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting point about the live show inspiring
Speaker 1: things like because you guys just started in your bedrooms
Speaker 1: and because you guys are like just so familiar with
Speaker 1: one another, it's so comfortable in another I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there must be such a huge difference between this is
Speaker 1: a song we came up with in our room by ourselves,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now it's the same song
Speaker 1: we're playing on stage, and again it's just the two
Speaker 1: of us. But adding that live element really obviously must
Speaker 1: feel like oh shit, like we're actually no, we're showing
Speaker 1: like we need to we need to like move an
Speaker 1: audience some sort of way. Like do you guys think
Speaker 1: about crafting a record in a way that, oh, we
Speaker 1: could go out and do this live.
Speaker 3: Or is it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: No, No, it's never like, hey, we need to be
Speaker 7: able to play that live.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 8: No, it's always like something that we that we feed
Speaker 8: at that moment. You know, it's like I have this idea,
Speaker 8: let's check this out. And of course if it, I mean,
Speaker 8: almost all songs that we wrote we are able to
Speaker 8: play in life. That's also something cool because we sound
Speaker 8: the same on the record or almost the same as
Speaker 8: in life and it's just the two of us.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're not trying to overproduce it, because that would
Speaker 7: not be us. We were always just very restricted to
Speaker 7: two instruments, which are a representation of two souls, and
Speaker 7: I think we just want to keep it that way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like you guys are trying to necessarily
Speaker 1: impress anyone with fancy guitar playing, like with tricks.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't even know how to do that.
Speaker 8: I can't shread like I mean, today we were at
Speaker 8: the do you know the Carter Vintage Guitar store that's
Speaker 8: like one of the coolest stars here in Nashville, and
Speaker 8: we were checking out some guitars and there were some
Speaker 8: guys there like, you know, like, I'm like, I could.
Speaker 3: Never do that.
Speaker 6: We could never do that.
Speaker 8: But it's like what we do is like honest and real. Yeah,
Speaker 8: the thing that that what we feel. So that's I
Speaker 8: don't know, it's kind of a mystery as well.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any desire to be able to
Speaker 1: do that or not so much?
Speaker 7: No, not really, No, it's okay. I just want to
Speaker 7: sound authentic, authentic and different. I think that's the main inspiration,
Speaker 7: and maybe that's always the point that we inspire to.
Speaker 7: We're not trying to copy someone. It's really about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the coolest thing, man, because it gets so easy,
Speaker 1: especially when you're a guitar player and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like just to copy other people or like to get
Speaker 1: caught up and showing off. To be able to actually
Speaker 1: articulate who you are as an individual on the instrument
Speaker 1: is like it's a last art. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: have you guys played with the vocalists before, like a
Speaker 1: third person? Has anyone ever tried to in certain things?
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean the next song that we're gonna play is
Speaker 8: called Dressermanos because we wrote that song with Dan.
Speaker 6: You know, that was also kind of a cool story.
Speaker 8: We were at the studio, we almost recorded the song,
Speaker 8: and then he came and he said, hey, he's hearing
Speaker 8: like a melody on on on a part of the song,
Speaker 8: and he sang, us, just what he he heard, you know,
Speaker 8: and we tried to play his melody, but we couldn't
Speaker 8: play it like he wanted to play them. And we
Speaker 8: just handed him over the guitar and said, why don't
Speaker 8: you play over it? And he just did a one
Speaker 8: taker and and that's then when we just call it that.
Speaker 8: The song is called Dressermanos because we also kind of
Speaker 8: became friends with him. We have same interests and it
Speaker 8: was so cool, you know, you. At the beginning, it
Speaker 8: was oow, it's Dan Ourbuck and it's still Dan our Buck.
Speaker 8: We had we have the biggest respect for him, but
Speaker 8: we kind of became friends and we kind of got
Speaker 8: to know him as a as a person and he's beautiful,
Speaker 8: he's so nice and he's he has a good and yeah,
Speaker 8: that's that's cool that we have like this in common.
Speaker 1: Did you guys play live together or did he play over?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he came to shows. Sometimes We tell him, hey,
Speaker 8: do you want to come to a show in Los
Speaker 8: Angeles or we might be there, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 8: I want to go with you, and then he flies
Speaker 8: in and we have an after party and it's always cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys play together so much. Is that energy
Speaker 1: feel a little different when you have someone else come
Speaker 1: in to play?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah. Playing with Dan on stage was really and
Speaker 7: even he said that like because he's aware of that
Speaker 7: tide space that we're having, Like he doesn't want to
Speaker 7: come and like destroy that energy. But with him and
Speaker 7: even with Adrian Casana from the Black Pumas, he's sometimes
Speaker 7: also like joining the stage with us, it always felt
Speaker 7: like an enrichment. It's not like what is that guy
Speaker 7: doing here, So we're aware, aware of that, and we're
Speaker 7: just trying to play with the right people and it's
Speaker 7: one more time. It's like it's the feet that were
Speaker 7: trusting and we know, Okay, this is gonna be a fit.
Speaker 1: How do you guys know Adrian?
Speaker 6: We know Adrian. It's a funny story.
Speaker 7: I met him in Los Angeles in a store in
Speaker 7: mister Freedom and I saw him and we recognized each
Speaker 7: other and I was like, you're He was like you're
Speaker 7: just like. Since then we kept in touch and then
Speaker 7: we saw each other in when was the second time,
Speaker 7: I think in Austin. First time we played together in
Speaker 7: Austin at the Onton's Anton's and he came with us
Speaker 7: to play on stage. And since then we just we're
Speaker 7: in touch. And he's such a cool guy as well.
Speaker 8: And he even flew out to We had a big
Speaker 8: concert in Mexico City last month and he flew in
Speaker 8: and we had time to hang out together. And yeah,
Speaker 8: he's another brother and and it's really cool. We have
Speaker 8: a cool connection with him as well.
Speaker 1: He's a great d he knows so much about music.
Speaker 7: He's an amazing guitar player. He's so talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was a Mexico City show?
Speaker 3: What was that like?
Speaker 7: It was a chaotic experience in so many ways because
Speaker 7: we had a show in an open air space. It
Speaker 7: was a beautiful venue. I remember when we told our
Speaker 7: friend that was living there, we're going to have a
Speaker 7: show made in Mexico and he was like, it's the
Speaker 7: rain season.
Speaker 6: What are you guys doing? You know, Like we're like,
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: So we had soundcheck and everything was prepared, and I
Speaker 7: got back to the hotel room, I had a shower,
Speaker 7: I was ready, like ready, ready, and I heard the
Speaker 7: first thunder and I was like, no, bro, you're kidding.
Speaker 7: So I was like, no, this is really happening. So
Speaker 7: we went back and it started rating so much so
Speaker 7: we had to cancel the show and a lot of
Speaker 7: people were annoyed and like how can you do that,
Speaker 7: Like we just came for this show. And then on
Speaker 7: Saturday there was another nature thing happening. A big volcano
Speaker 7: which is close to Mexico City started to be active,
Speaker 7: so a lot of people who tried to go back
Speaker 7: I had to stay again in Mexico City.
Speaker 6: They were stuck.
Speaker 7: So they were able to come through the show, which
Speaker 7: we postponed to Sunday and there was an indoor place
Speaker 7: and in the end it was an amazing show with
Speaker 7: Dan and Adrian Cassana on the stage. But we got
Speaker 7: back home and we're so tired.
Speaker 1: In the active volcano in the back.
Speaker 6: Things very easy, but it's funny. I like to talk
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 7: It's it's a nice experience.
Speaker 1: We have to pause for another quick break and then
Speaker 1: we'll come back with more from Harmono Scutierres. Before we
Speaker 1: jump back into my conversation with Hermano Scutierres, let's hear
Speaker 1: them play their song Trace Harmano's Live.
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Speaker 9: Hm.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, I get lost. Listen to you guys, Thank
Speaker 1: you man. How long have you been playing a lap steel?
Speaker 6: Four years now?
Speaker 7: And uh it happened on the on the journey that
Speaker 7: we had through California and death welly and we did
Speaker 7: like a commercial for this Swiss airline and it was
Speaker 7: such a cool thing. And then we got back to
Speaker 7: l A and there's a store in Santa Monica, Santa
Speaker 7: Monica True to Music, and we got oh yeah, we
Speaker 7: we visited that store and I just saw this lapstill
Speaker 7: on the wall hanging.
Speaker 1: So I bought it.
Speaker 7: It was actually my brother said, yeah, get it, man,
Speaker 7: you should should just buy it. And it just opened
Speaker 7: a new dimension for us because it's like more western
Speaker 7: now and it has this desert sound. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: happy that I'm able to play that instrument.
Speaker 1: How long did it take for you to feel comfortable playing?
Speaker 7: I felt comfortable since the first moment was really like wow,
Speaker 7: from the first string that I was sliding.
Speaker 8: I just realized that I helped him to play the
Speaker 8: guitar and the slide guitar.
Speaker 3: So it was me.
Speaker 8: I remember he was standing there. I mean he had
Speaker 8: this white what was it, Pearla slide guitar and it
Speaker 8: was so beautiful and the price was okay, and he
Speaker 8: was thinking, hey, should I buy the And I'm so
Speaker 8: happy that he did it, you know, and he's so
Speaker 8: talented because sometimes he came up with ideas on the slide.
Speaker 7: It's crazy, that's his instrument.
Speaker 1: By the way, Like, no matter what arguments you guys
Speaker 1: have now you know, it's like brotherly arguments typing. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to credit your whole career.
Speaker 6: I was about to say, I love how my brother
Speaker 6: credits himself.
Speaker 1: Sometimes do you gravitate more towards one or the other
Speaker 1: in terms of like when you're gonna just pick something
Speaker 1: up to play.
Speaker 7: It's easier for me to play the lamp steel, for sure.
Speaker 7: It's less like pressure and it's very smooth, it's very light.
Speaker 7: But with the guitar, I usually play first the guitar
Speaker 7: and I come up with a melody and I try
Speaker 7: to play something with the lap steel. So this is
Speaker 7: actually the guidance for a song. So I need both
Speaker 7: of them. It's like I can't decide.
Speaker 1: And you'll and you'll come up with a melody on
Speaker 1: the lap Still.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes I do. I mean, for this song, my
Speaker 7: brother came up with the melody and it was clear
Speaker 7: from the beginning that it just needs a lap still,
Speaker 7: I don't have to play the guitar.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it really depends what was the.
Speaker 1: Reception in Switzerland, Like, I mean, I guess, at what
Speaker 1: point did you realize you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: take this outside of Switzerland.
Speaker 7: I think it was the first concert that we had
Speaker 7: in Mexico City. It was before the pandemic, and that
Speaker 7: was the first show overseas, and there was a friend
Speaker 7: inviting us and just seeing that kind of attention and
Speaker 7: the presence and that people can get it in a
Speaker 7: different country. That was amazing to see. And oh wow,
Speaker 7: there's so much more that we could discover with our
Speaker 7: music there, like there are no boundaries.
Speaker 1: What was it like growing up Latino in Switzerland? Was
Speaker 1: that a weird experience?
Speaker 6: No, not weird.
Speaker 8: It was always I realized, like when I was around twelve,
Speaker 8: that it's like gift that had I have like both
Speaker 8: sides in me, you know, because we had like in Switzerland,
Speaker 8: you had like the Swiss boys and then you have
Speaker 8: like the how you say, the foreigners, no like but
Speaker 8: the immigrants. Yeah, And so I was always part of both,
Speaker 8: you know. I could be with this with with friends,
Speaker 8: and I could be with the like with my soccer friends.
Speaker 8: And it was always like I'm both and also like
Speaker 8: to talk Spanish in Ecuador and to come home and
Speaker 8: to understand yeah German.
Speaker 6: It was it was really a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way.
Speaker 7: It's also there's a feeling of feeling lost sometimes of
Speaker 7: course that's not part of either this culture or the other,
Speaker 7: which is I think a refreshing feeling sometimes and sometimes
Speaker 7: you just want to have that thing. Okay, I belong
Speaker 7: to this kind of culture, but I think it was
Speaker 7: the coolest thing to grow up with, the with the
Speaker 7: Latin part, you know, even like the possibility to go
Speaker 7: to Ecuador and visit our grandfather and grandmother all the cousin.
Speaker 7: I think that was an inspiration for us as well,
Speaker 7: and we try to transmit that through music. I mean,
Speaker 7: we have two songs in the set it's especially dedication
Speaker 7: to the Latin culture, and whenever we play those tracks,
Speaker 7: it reminds of us abuela and just the primos and
Speaker 7: just being there with the whole family. So and that's
Speaker 7: something I think. The family, the meaning of family, it's
Speaker 7: not so present. Maybe in Switzerland it's different.
Speaker 1: What is it like, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think Swiss people are more They're holding back their
Speaker 7: emotions a little bit. It's not so easy to share
Speaker 7: emotions or even like tell someone I love you, I
Speaker 7: care for you. It's I'm not saying like it's not happening.
Speaker 7: It's just like different in Ecuador. We went there when
Speaker 7: we were like you were sixteen, maybe I was eight.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It was like after a lot of a few years.
Speaker 7: Maybe I got it wrong, but It was a trip
Speaker 7: that we haven't been in an Ecuador for a long time.
Speaker 7: And I saw my aunt and I didn't see her
Speaker 7: for like, I don't know, ten years, and she cried
Speaker 7: and she was so emotional, and I was like overwhelmed
Speaker 7: by so many emotions. And I don't think that's something
Speaker 7: you see in Switzerland. Like whereat people are able to
Speaker 7: express theirselves through emotions, it's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that really is a gift. Then to be able
Speaker 1: to get both of those, I mean, to be able
Speaker 1: to operate on both those two cultures that are distinctly different.
Speaker 1: In those emotional ranges, you know, you can kind of
Speaker 1: be more reserved and also to be able to express
Speaker 1: yourself completely and full.
Speaker 8: The thing is also about Switzerland, which I get now,
Speaker 8: is like in Switzerland everything looks perfect, and in almost
Speaker 8: every sense it is perfect. You know, you have everything there,
Speaker 8: and so it's kind of difficult to act or to
Speaker 8: tell something that something is not perfect. You know, for example,
Speaker 8: in a relationship, if you have issues with your family,
Speaker 8: and I think in Latin America and especially Ecuador, it
Speaker 8: is common. You know that you know that you have
Speaker 8: fights and you get loud and you scream at each
Speaker 8: other and in Switzerland everything is more reserved, which is
Speaker 8: also good because the culture is different. But that's something
Speaker 8: that I got to know now when I'm older.
Speaker 1: How did your parents meet?
Speaker 6: That's the funniest.
Speaker 8: Sorry, my father was maybe thirty years old and then
Speaker 8: he worked for a European company but in Ecuador for
Speaker 8: the pharmacy, pharmacy business, and then our mother was his secretary.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a perfect story.
Speaker 8: And so he had to go back or he wanted
Speaker 8: to go back, and then our mother showed us the letters,
Speaker 8: and then our father wrote her a letter.
Speaker 6: Do you remember that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the most honest letter, like selling there's like a
Speaker 7: fifty to fifty chance that you're gonna make it because
Speaker 7: of this this, and he just told her all the
Speaker 7: factors that are different from being in Ecuador, just like
Speaker 7: a very Swiss approach, you know, like she's hate it.
Speaker 7: She was, she was all in and like she left
Speaker 7: Ecuador forever.
Speaker 1: How old was she at that time?
Speaker 7: Like she was twenty she was twenty five, twenty six, Yeah,
Speaker 7: she was young.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 8: And also like German, like the language that's so hard
Speaker 8: to learn. But our mother big respect for her that
Speaker 8: she did it, and she I mean nowadays, she's more Swiss.
Speaker 6: Than we are.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: It's funny in my opinion, but yeah, big respect that
Speaker 8: she she left her parents in Ecuador, her sisters, brothers,
Speaker 8: and she just moved to Switzerland without knowing anybody.
Speaker 6: She told me that she always gotta marry a foreigner.
Speaker 6: She always worked, that's through she had that vision.
Speaker 1: Was her family upset, No, I think they got it.
Speaker 7: I think they were like, yeah, if you have to
Speaker 7: do it, you leave, but you can always come back.
Speaker 7: This is your place, don't worry about it.
Speaker 8: It was also a chance, you know, in the late seventies,
Speaker 8: you know, to go to Europe from Ecuador and our
Speaker 8: grandparents there were middle class, middle class, lower class a
Speaker 8: bit also like.
Speaker 6: How do you say humble people?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 8: I remember that her grandfather talked to my father and
Speaker 8: also like he just said, yeah, just treated with respect
Speaker 8: and she can us come back.
Speaker 1: Did you guys speak German primarily at home?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: It was German. When I speak Spanish, it's always it's always, it's.
Speaker 7: Always the same thing, man, the big brother being mean
Speaker 7: to the little brother. No, I am it's it was
Speaker 7: mostly German with my father, but our father left they
Speaker 7: got separated when I was seven, so I mostly spoke
Speaker 7: Spanish to my mom. That's why he speaks better Spanish.
Speaker 6: Than my brother's that's the reason.
Speaker 1: So so, and when they got separated, your mom just
Speaker 1: decided to stay out there still.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they lived pretty close to each other,
Speaker 8: so yeah, yeah, it was clear that she's kind of
Speaker 8: stay in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: It feels even more brave in a way.
Speaker 6: I don't know why she's super brave.
Speaker 1: The first few records, you guys recorded, no label on
Speaker 1: anyone until the most recent records. Yes, it's correct. What
Speaker 1: was it like putting now records all by yourself? Did
Speaker 1: you guys have a vision or a strategy or is
Speaker 1: it sort of just like let's make some stuff, put
Speaker 1: it up, see what happens.
Speaker 6: No strategy.
Speaker 7: We just wanted to have our own collection of vinyl
Speaker 7: because it's just such a strong thing to have in
Speaker 7: your mind, just to pass it on. So it was
Speaker 7: important that we create something which is honest. And then
Speaker 7: it was also very organic, like creating new music was easy.
Speaker 7: It was just like, yeah, happening so fast, and looking back,
Speaker 7: it's crazy, like every year we had a new record coming.
Speaker 7: But it was at the same time so much fun.
Speaker 7: It was because it was a side thing for us.
Speaker 7: It was like the thing which kept us alive in
Speaker 7: a way, you know, from maybe the routines and all
Speaker 7: that stuff, which is not so inspiring. But we're happy
Speaker 7: now that we're having this label in the back of us.
Speaker 7: It's a beautiful feeling to have people around you.
Speaker 1: Now, how did you guys record the first few records?
Speaker 1: Is that? Did you guys do it on your own
Speaker 1: or did you do it?
Speaker 3: We had a studio.
Speaker 8: The first two records were recorded in Berlin at the
Speaker 8: friends place. He had his studio and he offered us, hey,
Speaker 8: if you ever want to record something, this is your studio.
Speaker 8: And then we did this twice like this journey road trip,
Speaker 8: you know. And after that we found a cool studio
Speaker 8: and the cool recording engineer in Zurich, and so the
Speaker 8: last two albums we recorded in Zurich because we also
Speaker 8: didn't have the time to do another road trip.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: It was like, we want to record now and we
Speaker 8: have everything here, and so in total we did like
Speaker 8: four albums and one single, two singles.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you guys realized you were going to
Speaker 1: record with Easy, I did you have the songs for
Speaker 1: the new record ready or did you have to?
Speaker 8: I mean, we knew, like in December we're going to
Speaker 8: record in March, and we had ideas, you know, we
Speaker 8: were always playing. But then we had like, okay, let's
Speaker 8: write this album. And it was a very intense and
Speaker 8: special two months because we wanted to we wanted to
Speaker 8: impress then, you know, and he was impressed by the
Speaker 8: way that we were because after two days we were
Speaker 8: done with recording the bass, you know, like we did
Speaker 8: eight songs in two days, and he was like, so,
Speaker 8: what should we do now, and we were like, let's
Speaker 8: do start with overdubs and everything, and then we came
Speaker 8: well prepared. But it was like also two months before
Speaker 8: every day playing together, writing songs and looking for new melodies,
Speaker 8: and it was not always that easy, you know, but
Speaker 8: it was cool to come to the studio, pluck the
Speaker 8: guitar in, and to be ready.
Speaker 1: Dang, So you guys record. You guys wrote the record
Speaker 1: in two months and then basically recorded the majority of it,
Speaker 1: like the vast majority of it, in two days.
Speaker 6: Yes, the base of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we recorded in two days. But there were overdubs
Speaker 7: of course, happening in the next days, but the base
Speaker 7: of the record was done.
Speaker 1: I love how quickly you got I mean, that's just it.
Speaker 1: It feels like I mean we had to work that,
Speaker 1: we had to in a way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was I don't think you get this always
Speaker 7: in your life's one lifetime experience. So we took it
Speaker 7: very seriously and we felt a little bit of pressure,
Speaker 7: of course. Yeah. From the first moment, we felt like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is going to be okay, this is going to
Speaker 7: be great because the connection with Dan was so on
Speaker 7: the same level, which made it so easy to perform
Speaker 7: here in the studio, which this energy because it's an
Speaker 7: amazing and unique place. So that pressure that we felt
Speaker 7: before going to Nashville just disappeared. From the first moment
Speaker 7: that we got here. There was not such a thing
Speaker 7: like hey, you have to It's like about creating something
Speaker 7: beautiful together. That was nice to see how it works
Speaker 7: and how he approaches a record.
Speaker 6: I didn't feel the pressure.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Are you guys gonna record another record out there? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yes, this year we're gonna come back.
Speaker 1: Do you have some material already?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have ideas.
Speaker 8: After this tour, we're gonna go home and we're gonna
Speaker 8: start like working, but we have new stuff ready and
Speaker 8: we just have to check it out to be together
Speaker 8: and play together.
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about Gestavo and film as an inspiration.
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to do soundtracks ever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, We're waiting for the right director with the
Speaker 7: perfect story which fits in, just like to create an experience.
Speaker 7: But there's no rush, I mean, and also right now
Speaker 7: there's no time. I mean, we're busy with own things,
Speaker 7: own projects, and this next record we want to take
Speaker 7: it as series as possible, and that's just be lazy
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 7: I think it's just all very natural and we trust
Speaker 7: in the process and things are coming they've not It's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Thank you guys of course, man, the pleasure.
Speaker 1: Glad we got to talk and thanks for coming on.
Speaker 7: Man, it was an amazing conversation, really cool. Thank you
Speaker 7: so much for your time.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Estevan and Alejandro Ramana Scutierrez for playing for
Speaker 1: us and chatting through their origin story. We can hear
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