1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, Patriots fans. If you want to see Toyota's best offers, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: including those not seen on TV, go to buy a 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Toyota dot com. It's Toyota's official website for deals from 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: the official vehicle, the New England Patriots Toyota Let's Go places. 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: The World's a biget cooks. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We've 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: answered Deuce's roundtable questions. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm always last and sometimes have 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 3: to get reminded by Deuce to. 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 4: Know you are today, Evan, let's go, let's go. 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: I have the reason why I bring it up. And 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: I know that a lot of people are going to 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: hear this and they'll be like, I'll get your spreadsheet 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: out of football Evan Like, YadA, YadA, YadA. 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: No, that would just be made. Does he shoot it 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: right into his chest? Is it a bruin with the 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: game on the line? You know, we just put that season. Yes, 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: I know, And I thought that they should have had 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: about twelve goals. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: Last night and mars Son had a bunny. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 4: But that's my little deal. 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 5: That's my little fifteen second Ruins point Potswa, Potswa. 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: There's only one four oh five game, and that is 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: our Patriots to Tampa. That's a four twenty five. Oh sorry, Yeah, 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: so we're gonna go to four twenty five. 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: Defend Mike. I'm not positive, but I believe this was 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: the first game that was flexed. 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I think I'm okay. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't take it too hard. 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 6: This is Patriot's Unfiltered. 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 7: Presented by Toyota's official website for deals by a Toyota 33 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 7: dot com. 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and we'll be here for the next 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: two hours. It's deuced Tamara, Paul, myself, Matt nabooth Evan 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: will be back after coaches availability. 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: Is grilling Bill O'Brien right now, trying to find. 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: It again and then again after practice. 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 4: Right second week in a row. They're practicing on Tuesday. 41 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of weird. They did that. Last week. 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: They decided instead of coming in Monday, he gave the 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: players Monday off and then they practiced through the week. 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: But this week I think they were here I don't 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: know what's going on, but they're practicing and there's actually 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: availability today unlike all other Tuesdays. 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it makes a little bit. 48 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 5: I can really see it make a little bit of 49 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 5: sense that you guys got back what like five am 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: or whatever it was on good point Monday mornings. So 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 5: I get it this week a little bit more than 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 5: last week. But it's productive. They have been yesterday doing anything, tired, 53 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 5: naps and such so, but it is two weeks in 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: a row that they're going to have four days of practice. 55 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: Whether what walk throughs are in there or whatever, we 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 4: don't know. But I don't know. It's just interesting. I 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to make a difference. But 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: Monday part, you know, Mike is exactly right, you know, 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: but they don't normally do any on field work on 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: a Monday. 61 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: No, they conditioned guys lifting. 62 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, they might come in and get some treatment and whatnot. 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: And I don't know that there maybe that they had 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 4: to just say that's a complete day. 65 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: Off, but they might they might have like film. 66 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, fred Is. 67 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: I thought that the Monday was usually the day that 68 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 5: they put the last game behind them, they go through 69 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 5: the film, they yell at the guys that need to 70 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: be yelled at, they compliment the guys that you know, 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: and they move on. 72 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 4: But they don't do that on every Monday. Maybe there's 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: a lot of victory Mondays. No, unfortunately, maybe they may 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: not this year. 75 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, we're not talking about games, we lose anything. Yeah, 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: I know they don't have film. 77 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: They just they did the ball burying back in Vegas. 78 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's going on. 79 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: The Tuesday practice thing, to me is different. That's the 80 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: that's the different element. I've seen them come in on Mondays. 81 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: I've seen them get Mondays off. I've never seen them 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: practice on Tuesday. And this is two weeks in a 83 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: row and they're not just practicing. You guys have access 84 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: to the locker room. Yeah, yeah, at one Tuesdays, which 85 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: is a very. 86 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 8: But but it's do you think this is like part 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 8: of the starting over? Was this the starting over process? 88 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 5: No, this was just to change the schedule for but 89 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 5: but I mean it's going to be short though, because 90 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 5: Evan's gonna go out the I think practice is at 91 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: twelve thirty and then locker rooms at one forty five. So, 92 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's it's like an hour, you know, so 93 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: it might be like a yeah, it might just be 94 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: a walk through or something. Maybe it's more of interesting 95 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 5: no less though, Yeah, and when it's different, it's interesting 96 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 5: to me. 97 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: I always wonder why. Yeah, I never have any answers. 98 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 4: I think this will be a wonderful day for your 99 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: What was the mood? Was it walk through? 100 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll have to really get into that. 101 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: My guess is there walk through these Tuesday things? But 102 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I I just mind it different. 103 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: Do you do stretching for walk throughs? 104 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, maybe the walking is stretched. 105 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: I don't walk in. 106 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't stretch to walk anyway. You got to walk 107 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: before you can run. And certainly the Patriots can run 108 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: in a walkin out of the walk through very literally. 109 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 9: They might be still at the crawling stage. 110 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would need to stretch before it's a stretch. 111 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Twenty one seventeen loss. I predicted the Patriots would score 112 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: eighteen a half points, and when they did the freak 113 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: kick pooch. 114 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 5: You thought something happen at that point, right, Do we. 115 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: Ever get to the bottom of that play. No. 116 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: No, But here's the thing, all right, if you if 117 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: you're what they were doing was hoping for a muff 118 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: because you can fair catch that pooch, right, but they 119 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: were hoping for a muff. You can't roll it like 120 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: an on side No, because it's a punt. You just 121 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: let it die. It's a free kick, so you can't 122 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: just like stay away from it if you're the other 123 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: team and let it. 124 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 4: No, you just stand around him and say it's. 125 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: The same as a kickoff. 126 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: Correct. I don't know. We were trying to figure it out. 127 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 4: Can on side kick a free kick? You can't. You're 128 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: allowed to do that? Okay, now I don't and I didn't. 129 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 4: Did you just coming from the coaches? Did you so, 130 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: ca'm a did you bother? No? 131 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: I did not. I was talking to Pelagreno for a 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: little bit and then a. 133 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 4: Little crush on and I think it's I think it's neutral. Boy, 134 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: I don't put we all in. 135 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: I don't think it, you know, But to be fair, 136 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: like I I I don't think I'm speaking out of 137 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: turn and saying that. I think it's mutual. Like I 138 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: think me and him have a friend and friends. 139 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 4: I would say if I were, I would feel the 140 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: same way Evans. 141 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: He's definitely on Josh Allen, don't do this yis week 142 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: h He's just he's got a good sense of humor. 143 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: He walked through the locker room last week when you know, 144 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 5: they had a veil last week, and I was like, oh, 145 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: I sorry, we didn't get to come talk to you, 146 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 5: you know, and he gets so. 147 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: You know, we have a little Oh look at that 148 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: you guys. Are you okay with that? 149 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: No? 150 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: I think he was there Evan Dan jumped in on. 151 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: He's like, don't talk to me, he's mine. So we 152 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: were just talking about the free kick. Yeah, why not 153 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: give yourself a shot? What was that? 154 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: The free kick? 155 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 156 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: I don't really like, how can they like on side 157 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: kick it? 158 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: Yeah they can't. And I just don't understand what they 159 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: were hoping to get with that. 160 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: It looked to me like they were like pooch kicking it, 161 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: hoping that it was like. 162 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: It was muff. It was a bad kick. Yeah, okay, Yeah, 163 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: I guess this Bill had something in mind because I listen, 164 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 4: I watched this guy for twenty whatever years. Yeah, and 165 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: he's got something for every situation, right, So my guess 166 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: is what happened wasn't what he wanted to happen. 167 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 168 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: He wasn't looking for a muff. He was looking to 169 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: recover it on side kick somehow. And I think Evan 170 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: might be right. I think maybe he was hoping he 171 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 4: kicked it like sort of in a hole in the 172 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: return team, kicking it directly too. 173 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 174 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 4: It might be the worst guy in the league to 175 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: kick it too, Yeah, because he probably has the best 176 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: hands of anybody in football. 177 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 10: Yeah. 178 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: That that, I think is what they were trying to do, 179 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: was kick it over like that first layer and in 180 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: front of like the deep guys and then kick it 181 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: in that no man's land and then hope. 182 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: It looked like he was doing what he kicked it right, right, 183 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I thought he was just hoping for him it was 184 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: a sixteen yard sixteen yard kick, then, I don't it 185 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: can't be on purpose. 186 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: I don't think Renfro I mean had to had to 187 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: move more than a yard to catch if that. 188 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to admit at that point of the game, 189 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: I was checked out. I was packing my things up 190 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: to go down after. 191 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: I get it. There's probably not It's probably not the 192 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: best jumping off point that we could have on sorry, 193 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: you know, in the a three game losing streak. But 194 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: I just I felt like, okay, you take the safety. 195 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 4: I was with you, We all were, we all declined, 196 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 4: you know, the game's over, but I'm like, well you can. 197 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 4: They still have to recover the on site kick, and 198 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: then we didn't try one, Like I just didn't understand it, 199 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: Like I was, I was kind of miffed. 200 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know the rule. I thought on a free 201 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: kick you could fair catch it. If it's in the air, 202 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: you can't, I mean not, I mean if it rolls 203 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: like a punt, you can just like let it roll in. 204 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought that was it was. 205 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: A live ball. 206 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: It's a live ball to the rules. Yeah, and they 207 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: could have used a t like they didn't have to 208 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: punt it, right. I just don't know exactly what they 209 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: were trying to do. Evan's probably right. They were looking 210 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: for something in between the levels of the. 211 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 5: Practice, like maybe practice practice, like a sixteen yard sky 212 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: high punt. 213 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't get a chance to ask a 214 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: core today. 215 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: But it actually got to see me snof that. 216 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: But I'll ask Bearinger for you and see, you know 217 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: what what his his take is on it tomorrow there you. 218 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: Go, Okay, yeah, maybe in the locker room too, yeah. 219 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Or today Yeah, I forgot that all right, weird Tuesday. 220 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: The A corp doesn't fall far from the tea. 221 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 4: Oh my god? 222 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 9: How long were you holding on to that one? 223 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: Probably about five minutes? Just came to me. 224 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that's the way the game. 225 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: Ended anything though, Yeah, he's talking to Mike Pellegrino. 226 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: I talked to Bill O'Brien. I went into Bill O'Brien 227 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 3: at the end, but I just I don't really understand 228 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: like the line of questioning that that was was asked 229 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: of him, Like people like asking him like how are 230 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: you doing? But like how are you coping with all 231 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: of this? 232 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, they're trying to get you know. 233 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: Who cares. 234 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: They're trying to see how much he will go from 235 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: being divorced from the proceedings. Like it's not my fault. 236 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: That's what they're looking for. That's what I'm you know, 237 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that's what there was wasting 238 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: my time. 239 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: But regardless, I just talking to him. I thought it 240 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: was interesting, was his his points about the two minute 241 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: offense and like the end of the game. And you 242 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: know he pretty much both coaches that I spoke to 243 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: owned a lot of the mistakes and said, we gotta 244 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: we got to coach it better. Like when it comes 245 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: to penalties, you know, delay of games holdings like we 246 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: saw in that last drive. He wore it and said 247 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: that that's I have to coach it better. 248 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. You arn't the game with two 249 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: penalties that kill the drive and you end the game 250 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: going backwards bookends. I mean, it's those were the little things, 251 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, I during the game, like I said it 252 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: to you, or I might have said it to No 253 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: Socks who was there. You're down by two with two 254 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: minutes left. That was an automatic win in the day, 255 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: automatic win, and in the NFL it's almost an automatic win. 256 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: And we go backwards. Now, that's what's that's what's the 257 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: glaring thing about this team is in those moments that separate, 258 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, the good teams from the bad teams. We're 259 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: we're not executing, we're doing the opposite. 260 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: And even when they're getting close like Max past the 261 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 5: Parker or the long Ezekiel Elliott run, still a penalty. 262 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: Mistakes. 263 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: You know, those things just seem to pop up and 264 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 5: prevent the team from having those moments that you know, 265 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 5: I think everybody played sports like you know those wow, 266 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 5: great play like you get some confidence, you know, you 267 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 5: got a little juice going. Finally, It's just it seems 268 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 5: so hard for them to find that and build any 269 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 5: momentum right now because as soon as they make a play. 270 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: So you look at you know, David Andrews is a veteran, 271 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: but you look at that veteran leadership on the field 272 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: added with the coaching, and it's it's lacking right now. 273 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: It's lacking. 274 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: I just don't think that they have game changers, like 275 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: I I agree with you that, like the leadership could be. 276 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: Game changing, maybe making. To me, I'm separate. I'm not 277 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: even going to making plays right now. I'm talking about 278 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: just negative stuff, avoiding the negative stuff. 279 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: I just don't have good enough play. 280 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Play making stuff is is a different conversation. They don't 281 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: have that either. But I'm just talking about just not 282 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: killing yourself. 283 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: I think they kill themselves because they're not good. Like 284 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, Mac Jones, like the pick that he threw 285 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: to Hunter Henry, It's a makeable throw in the league. 286 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: He's not good enough to make the throw. Like, I 287 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: don't think that that's like because he's down on himself 288 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: or because he doesn't have confidence. I just think that 289 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: he physically can't make a cross body on the run 290 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: throw back into the middle of the field. You know, 291 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: you watch the game on. 292 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: It even that cross much crossbossile. 293 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: It was a little bit because he was wide why 294 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 3: don't Yeah, I mean, like, I think that throw is 295 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: harder to make than people are making it out to be. 296 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: But at the same time, like they you know, there's 297 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: a lot of quarterbacks in the league that that make 298 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: that throw. 299 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: Josh Allen won a game with it. 300 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Like like my maybe my memory is uh killing me here, 301 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: but it seemed to me he had enough time to 302 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: actually stop, set and throw. 303 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: I don't think that then the guy's no longer going 304 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: to be wide open. 305 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 306 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: Watching it watching it again, I thought that initially live 307 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: as well, But watching it again, I I think it's 308 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: Tyree Wilson who's closing in on him, and like if 309 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: he tries to set his feet, he's gonna. 310 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: Get okay, laid out, all right. I just thought it 311 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: was It wasn't like the two in Dallas that it 312 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: wasn't even close. 313 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: No, it was this was a bad throw. This was 314 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 4: just a bad. 315 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Throw, Like those were bad decisions, right, And. 316 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: I also think it was a bad decision. 317 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: I kind of do too. This was much more on 318 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: the throw. 319 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: Then, why do I actually think it was I think 320 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: it was worse decision than it was a throw. We 321 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: disagree on this why for two reasons. One, I thought 322 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: he left the clean pocket. He stepped up on Crosby, 323 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: and if you look, it's it's host juke actually is 324 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: the play, and like Zeke is running the juke route 325 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: out of empty and all he's got to do is 326 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: like step up in the pocket and stay with the play, 327 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: like stay on the read and stay with the play. 328 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: He was already off of the three receiver side by 329 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: the time he hit the top of his drop, so 330 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: he sped up right. He's just canceling out reads before 331 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: he even gives the play a chance to develop. And 332 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: then he steps up in the pocket, a clean pocket 333 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: other than Max Crosby, putting a little pressure on the edge. 334 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Just step up and make the throw. Then he leaves 335 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: the pocket and he tries to be Josh Allen, and 336 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: it's like you you can't. You can't do it. It's 337 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: not who you are. 338 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: You can't play because that throw is not a hard throw. 339 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: I didn't think it was like if you're gonna take 340 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: all the decision making about leaving the pocket, I agree 341 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: with that, But on that like, I didn't think he 342 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: had to tucktail and go as quickly as he did. 343 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: That that part of the decision I would agree with Evan. 344 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: The decision to see a guy who's fifteen yards over 345 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: there with no one on him and throw it to him, 346 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: I don't think that was that bad of a decision. 347 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: I didn't think you've got to make the throw, right, I agree. 348 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 4: I just think he didn't have to jam it in. 349 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 5: And you know, you know to me that the throwback 350 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 5: across is dangerous because there's usually too much congestion there 351 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 5: and there wasn't any on this play well. 352 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: And also people can tell it you're telegram, you know, 353 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: people can like Dak Prescott. 354 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: Dak Prescott probably won the game last night with a 355 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: throw off a scramble to Pollard that looked extremely dangerous 356 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: when you're watching TV. But then if you're there and 357 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: you and you had seen it, and you realize there 358 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 4: was nobody near Pollard. There was no chance that that 359 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: pass is getting picked off unless you throw it over 360 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: his head the way that mac Jones did, and then 361 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: there's somebody there that that's waiting to pick it off. 362 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: Like if someone cut underneath and picked it off, I 363 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 4: would say decision right. 364 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: Not I just I think that it as mac Jones. 365 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: And if you want to say that he can't play 366 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: because of that, then I'm not going to argue with you. 367 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: But if you're mac Jones, it's second and five, you're 368 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: in scoring territory. It's second and five. Just throw the 369 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: ball away and play third and five. Like the worst 370 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: case scenario is that you don't get it on second 371 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: and five, you don't get it on thirty five a 372 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: third and five, and you're kicking a forty five yard 373 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: field goal. Like that's the absolute worst case, totally fair, 374 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: the best, totally well, the worst case scenario is throwing 375 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: an interception, which is what he did. 376 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean, and there were a lot of plays in 377 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: the game that you can point to, but to me, 378 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: that was the game right there. If he makes that play, 379 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, Henry has some space to even pick up 380 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: more yards, and but that that was it. That was 381 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: the play that kind of. 382 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 4: But this is why I agree with Evans's larger point, 383 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: like that's players. 384 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: No, I know, like I know, you don't. 385 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 4: Make enough of those plays because I don't think you 386 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: have players that are good enough to consistently make those plays. 387 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: But like I said, they started the game negatively, they 388 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: ended the game negatively, And tell the truth, be honest, 389 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: be honest, be honest. 390 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: I always did you think when they took over at 391 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 4: their own nine or whatever it was, they were going 392 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: to go down and kick a field goal to win? 393 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: I thought they had a shot. 394 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: I didn't say that. I said, did you think they 395 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: were going too? 396 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: They were going to have I thought there was a 397 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: fifty I didn't think they were going to go backwards, 398 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: let's put it that way. 399 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 4: No, okay, Mike, did you think they were going because 400 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 4: they were? 401 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: We were all here and we did. 402 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: We kind of didn't. I didn't sense a lot of 403 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: confidence to marry you were with us? Yeah, party is 404 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: a little. 405 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Negative with a negative name, Bob, Yeah, they didn't. 406 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: I didn't say it worked. 407 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 8: No, I just think we haven't seen enough to see 408 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 8: this team be able to come back and win in 409 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 8: that way. 410 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 5: I just. 411 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Feel I always there's gotta be the game that's gonna happen, happen, 412 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: and maybe not maybe not pride for that even though 413 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: they didn't have any you know, timeouts, they only needed three, 414 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, and yes they started on the nine, but 415 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: you know, I thought the way Bourne was playing, and 416 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: you know. 417 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: See that's the thing to me is what really surprised 418 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: me was that the shot that they play they should 419 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 4: have gotten. Yeah, because I would have thought just the 420 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 4: way that this started a little check down to Remandre 421 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: for five or six and Bourne caught seventeen four yard passes. 422 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: I mean he had one that he broke and he 423 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 4: got like forty yards on, but all the rest of 424 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: them were like six yard passes. I would have figured 425 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: that's what they're gonna do and maybe they'll get there, 426 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 4: maybe they won't. You know, they're being field goal range. 427 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden, he throws. I I mean, 428 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: you've probably charted the all twenty two of every pass 429 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 4: that macis Throne is a Patriot and I'm not exaggerating, right. 430 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: And every training camp pass he's ever carven as a Patriot. 431 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 4: I personally think that's the best throw he's ever made. 432 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: As a patriot. Oh, I don't think that. I don't 433 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: think you can make I don't think you can make 434 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 4: them more perfect. It was on his head, given the 435 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: circumstances he's in. He's like in the shadow of his 436 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: goal line. He wasn't wide wide open. He was open, 437 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: nfl open, But it wasn't like, Oh, anybody can make that. 438 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: Throw, and they that was perfect and from their nine 439 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: they needed a chunk play and they needed one play 440 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: to pick up a bunch of yards and that was 441 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: right there. 442 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 4: So as critical as I am of Mac, I have 443 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: to sit there and say, oh my god, that throw 444 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: was absolutely perfect. 445 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it was definitely. 446 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: I think it's play the thing with Mac and it's like, 447 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 5: you know, we come out and you point to a 448 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: couple of plays that he almost made and that, well, 449 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 5: it shows he can play in this league and that 450 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 5: maybe there's something there. 451 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: But it's just it never either hits or it's never consistent. 452 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: There's never a top five anyway. 453 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: I would think. So, I mean, I don't know. Some 454 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: of the throws that I like are more like into 455 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: the middle of the field with like anticipation and driving 456 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 3: it into windows. 457 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: Exanded. The Born touchdown rookie year against Cleveland. You know, 458 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 4: I was thinking too of some Hunter Henry. Maybe it 459 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 4: was against the Browns. I think there was a Hunter 460 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: Henry out to me. 461 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: To me, the moment made it such a good throw 462 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: because the other team knows we can't give up a 463 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: big play. We've got to make him work for every yard. 464 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: They don't have any timeouts. We can't let him give 465 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: it chunk play. And it was right there, right on 466 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: his hands. You know, you can't blame Mac for that one. 467 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: You can blame him for the rest of the game. 468 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 4: I can blame him for the Taekwon Thornton one. 469 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 10: I just. 470 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 5: Did you think he had thorn on that one shot 471 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 5: he took to him even for a second, like was 472 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 5: there was that just it was. 473 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 4: Just I don't know what it was. 474 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: It was it was five yards at of bounce. 475 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: I don't even know. It was just Taekwon. 476 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: Taekwon's down there somewhere covered like like. 477 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: And then there was another one where you know Thornton 478 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: early he was going to the outside of the numbers 479 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: and you know Mac hit him, you know, with a 480 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: pass was a three yard pass, but Thornton had to 481 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: dive to catch it. You know, like if he catches 482 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: it on the run, maybe he could turn it up, 483 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: but he had I said it was a thirty yard 484 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: effort for a three yard game. 485 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: You know, do you remember's a lot of actually six 486 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: but six. During training camp when we were up on 487 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 4: the the red level watching training camp practices, Evan used 488 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 4: to talk about how hard it can be, how restricting 489 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: it can be for the offensive coordinator to have to 490 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 4: scheme around problems with your tackles. And I thought this 491 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 4: was the biggest example of the scheme was totally reliant 492 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 4: on them knowing that they weren't going to be able 493 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 4: to hold the ball. Like everything was a three yard pass. 494 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 4: Every every pass in this game. I think they may 495 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: they maybe threw the ball downfield five times ten. It 496 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: couldn't have been tentily. Maybe five sounds like like the 497 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: deep battle throwton that went out of bounds in the dark. 498 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: But this, to me was an example of I know 499 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 4: that we're not going to be able to hold up. 500 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 4: And to Evan's point earlier about he's sped up, he's 501 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: already sped up. So we know the quarterback is sped up. 502 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: We know he's probably got a reason to be sped up. 503 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: We're just gonna get it out lightning quick all day 504 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 4: and that's what that's what happens. Like you don't, it's 505 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: really hard to move the ball that way. 506 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's crazy to me because they really we 507 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: talked all last week. They have Crosby, like it wasn't 508 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 5: like Buffalo coming up this week where they have a 509 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 5: few different guys that are problems. Like if they shut 510 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 5: her down just to deal with Crosby, Like, what's it 511 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 5: gonna look like? 512 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 4: Like the game winning safety? 513 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 5: They had him with two different guys and they clips 514 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: so many times? 515 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: Can you just like Vermandra Stevenson is literally checked down 516 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: five yards in front of you, man, and he's got 517 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: a ton of grass like he's got like and I 518 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: trust for Montre to break a tackle more than like 519 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: anybody on this team besides maybe Born. And he's got 520 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 3: like one guy in between him and the first down marker. 521 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: And at the very least you got a fourth down chance, exactly, 522 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: at the very least you get the ball out to 523 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: go for it on fourth down, and I just his 524 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: eyes are down the field. He's trying to wait and 525 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: see if something opens up down the field for him. 526 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: To throw it and and the pocket starts collapsing. But 527 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: if you actually watch it, he like kind of goes 528 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: like almost like a little pump fake because he sees 529 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: Remandre out of the corner of his eye like last second, 530 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: and he he thinks about it, and then all of 531 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: a sudden, Crosby's on top of him and he's down. 532 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: But I just watching this this film, like I hate 533 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: to say it, but you know, I'm embracing the tank. 534 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: Like just just embrace the tank and you know, get 535 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: a new quarterback. Like if you want to talk about 536 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: like the the pressure in this game was not that 537 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: big of an issue. It really wasn't there. He was 538 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: under pressure twenty nine percent of the time, which is 539 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: their lowest pressure rate of the entire season. They ran 540 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: the ball pretty well as well. Kendrick Bourne made some plays, 541 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: you know, like the BRDA Parker was an absolute dime. 542 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: There's no question. 543 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: About that game. Prescott's I know the score wasn't anywhere 544 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: near the last two weeks. But Bill said in the 545 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: instance when this wasn't anything like you know, last week, 546 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: or do you think he was just talking about the 547 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: score where there were there are other things the score 548 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: because I. 549 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 5: Think it was a lot like the last couple, but 550 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 5: I mean the two Like I wanted to ask you 551 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 5: this is like how much do you chuck up that. 552 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 4: Of just being the Raiders not a great defense, like 553 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: suddenly the Patriots defense. That's a big part. 554 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 3: Of it, you know, you know, the Raiders are not 555 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: a great defense, which I think exacerbates why I feel 556 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: so strongly about it. I guess I just there's functional 557 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: he's he's broken, like he's he's functionally broken. And maybe 558 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: there's a world where you can acquire weapons in the 559 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: offseason and you know, hire Ben Johnson and like piece 560 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 3: him back to I don't know, but to what end, 561 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: I think is a is an interesting question as we 562 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 3: move forward here, he's locking onto to reads, he's sped up, 563 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: he's leaving pockets that he doesn't need to leave, Like 564 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 3: it's just he's a broken quarterback. Like all these things 565 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: are things that happen when it just starts to just 566 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: unravel on a guy. And I just there's guys open 567 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: on this film that he's missing. You know, he throws 568 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: to time Montgomery should have been yeah, and GAZICKI is 569 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: just in cut wide open, you know, just he was open. 570 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: Move the read like that that's not open, Like, go 571 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: to the next read in the progression and you're gonna 572 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: see if you hit Gaziki and stride there, he might score. 573 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: The pass got picked off, and I know my favorite 574 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: you know if my aunt had you know, watch my uncle. 575 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 4: But if that pass got picked off, that may have 576 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 4: been it it. 577 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's again like I brought the point 578 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 5: up like so many people were setting this up to 579 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 5: be like Max last stand and like it's not. 580 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 4: Even close to it. We'll get to that the second hour. 581 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: I also have a rant in the second hour. 582 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: That he also he locked into to Henry on one too, 583 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: on like a little return route on third down where 584 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: even if Henry catches it, he's still like five yards 585 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: short of the sticks. And Romo like I think highlighted 586 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: on that Bourne was like had the in cut and 587 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: Romo like said that he was like double covered or 588 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: something not double covered. 589 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: Like yeah, I know he talking about in TV coverage 590 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: and that I don't know if this is because they're all 591 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: ex quarterbacks for the most part, but Aikman does it 592 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: a lot. Romo does it a lot, like yeah, you 593 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: see him here there, you know, there's no way, there's 594 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 4: no way to go with the ball, and I'm like, 595 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. He kind of looks like. 596 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got because you know, I could only 597 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: see the TV. I couldn't hear it, and I saw 598 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: him circle born. So I wrote, oh, Romo was saying 599 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: that Bourne was open, and everyone's like, no, no, he 600 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: just said he was double covering, and I'm like, what, 601 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: That's not what I saw. 602 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: It's there's a there's a post stage. It's like man 603 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 3: cover one post safety in the middle of the field 604 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: and the guy the safety is like fifteen yards off 605 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and Bourne's just crossing at like 606 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: eight yards if you just move on from from Hunter Henry, 607 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: who's clearly covered on the play and well short of 608 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: the sticks, Like Bourne's just sitting there, wide open in 609 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: the middle of the field. It just he's not seeing it. 610 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: And at that point, like if he's not going to 611 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: make those Hunter Henry, you know, scrambled drill mode plays 612 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: that we were just talking about, and he's not seeing 613 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: the field well and not handling pressure well, Like I 614 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: just I don't really know where it is. 615 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 8: I know, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, I was just 616 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 8: gonna say, I feel like with him obviously a different 617 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 8: situation with what happened with Trey Lance, but I think 618 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 8: he's gonna need the fresh start, Like I feel like 619 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 8: there's no even if you give him the weapons somehow 620 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 8: this offseason. 621 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean in another place. 622 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I don't think. 623 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: Maybe sitting on the bench somewhere for a while, but too. 624 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I know you probably did the good 625 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: in the bad. I think there was some goods. I mean, 626 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Born I think was a good. We had Born on 627 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: the I think I think Pepper's was a good. 628 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 4: Yep, he made them both lists, but yeah, he was 629 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 4: on the good list. 630 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: And I think Jennings was okay. 631 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: I actually had I had Jennings on my good list, 632 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: Barmore and bar More. 633 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there was some goods from this game. 634 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were all very minors, I know, but I'm 635 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 4: looking for anything. 636 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 9: But also, Fred, it's like it's the Raiders, so like, 637 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 9: how good is it? Really? 638 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 4: Well, That's what I'm saying, Like, like we're calling it 639 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 4: good when you run for eighty yards like that, and 640 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: I did. We did, Like that's what Mike and I 641 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 4: that was one of our things there was a glimmer 642 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: of a running game in the third quarter. 643 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the excitement, like and you know the run. 644 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: I know there was a hold, but I think the 645 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Zeke run was a good run, you know that? 646 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, like that, Yes, it was a good play by Zeke, right, 647 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 4: But it's I'm looking for plays that I can say, 648 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: this is what we can get, you know, this is 649 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: what we can expect. Like I can't expect Zeke to 650 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: make literally half the defense miss, which there was a 651 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: great individual effort by Zeke. Do you think you're going 652 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: to get a seventy five yard catch and run again? 653 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: No, No, it was just you know, good to see it. 654 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: Was a good play. But like we're really we're really 655 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: ten for forty six and seven for thirty four, Like 656 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 4: they didn't even average five to carry, and we're like 657 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: really putting the trumpets out like four point five. You know, 658 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: four point four is a team they had eighty three yards. 659 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 8: You know, Mac two just does not have anybody that 660 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 8: he can trust will be there no matter what. Like 661 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 8: I feel like Jacobe was that so in the situation 662 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 8: where the safe play this play with the safety for example, 663 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 8: I feel like if that was Jacoby right there instead 664 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 8: of Remandray, he probably would have done it. 665 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 9: He probably wouldn't have hesitated. 666 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: I just wonder what broke Mac looks like with that guy, 667 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 5: because then is it he's just only on that guy, 668 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 5: you know, Like at this point, I wonder if he 669 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 5: would be looking at Jacob like every time to the 670 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 5: to the Born thing fred that you know, Like so 671 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 5: he had ten for eighty nine. 672 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: Now thirty six of those came on one play. Yeah 673 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 4: again it was another like he broke like three tackles. 674 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: G great play by Kendrick Bourne. So that's nine for 675 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: like fifty something. That's like less than six six a catch, 676 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: And that's what they were. But what what I do 677 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 4: I little intrigued with Born here though, is like a 678 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 4: lot of quick slants, a lot of get the ball 679 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: out quick, a lot of Jakobe Meyer's stuff, right exactly. 680 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: Like maybe he's not a traditional slot guy, but you 681 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 4: used him as a slot guy in this game, and 682 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: he caught a lot of passes. Now maybe those can 683 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: be first downs. Yeah, and you know, you're I don't 684 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 4: know when you live with that, it doesn't that's like 685 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: if it's six yards on third and four, that's great play. 686 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: It's maddening that this that that game hasn't happened for 687 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne sooner. 688 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 5: Because I feel like the fans were like with the 689 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 5: you know, out with the torches, like fe Kendrick. 690 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: Bourne, and we kind of laughed about it. Well, I'm 691 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: still and like I'm still there. Yeah, for the big pitcher, 692 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne, I'm still there. But for this offense, it's 693 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: all you got right exactly. 694 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 5: And that's you know, and at what point could they 695 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 5: have gotten him a little bit more involved? And then 696 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 5: you know, it's just the other thing that's just in 697 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 5: my craw right now is just the fact that they 698 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 5: gave three year deals to both Juju Smith Schuster and 699 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 5: DeVante Parker, Like. 700 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: Those are the two guys that were building that might 701 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: be good. 702 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: For my rant. 703 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 8: That's why I was wondering, do you think they were 704 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 8: trying too hard to give Juju the ball the first 705 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 8: couple of weeks instead of I. 706 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: Don't know, it was sporadic because they looked at him 707 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: and like it wasn't even a game and then but 708 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 5: then first down gotta have a game on the line. 709 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, then we go to him like. 710 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: That's what I don't get and I just those two guys, like, 711 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 5: I just I don't know where that personnel mis evaluation happened, 712 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 5: because I mean I was, you know, to be honest, 713 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: you guys know, I was a little bit positive. 714 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 4: I'm on Parker when he first got here. I said, well, 715 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 4: at least he's an NFL outside receiver with some size. 716 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 4: He's got some things that can do. 717 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 5: And he is that he is, but he's slowly descended 718 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: to a point now where he's just completely in effect. 719 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: But we're trying to treat it like he's more than that. 720 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, like I know number one guy, like I, I 721 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 5: just like to get back to where he come down 722 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 5: with a couple of contested catches a game, like at least, 723 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 5: but they're not even to that point anymore. And then 724 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 5: the way that things ended with him in the locker 725 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: room and what he's say, I'm like, how do we 726 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 5: get out of these two contract? 727 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: So Fred I'm gonna pull you, okay, going direct to 728 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 4: Camra looking at you okay. So I get really annoyed 729 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 4: by these things because you know, I tend to look 730 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 4: at things more from a personal side, the emotional part 731 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 4: of the game that you know, I often say like 732 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: no spreadsheet for Okay. So you had a guy in 733 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers who did one of the dumbest things I've 734 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: ever seen to cost the team a football team football 735 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 4: game last year in that very stadium, throwing the ball 736 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: back across the field. We all know what happened. He 737 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 4: was basically in tears at the end of the game, 738 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: talking to every single guy who asked him a question 739 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: about it, taking one thousand percent accountability for it. He's 740 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 4: now in Las Vegas, having nothing to do with that play, 741 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: in my opinion, but having everything to do with his 742 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: audacity to question the coach's decision to yank Mac out 743 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: of the Monday night game against Chicago and put in 744 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 4: Zappi and sort of subject Mac to that night, which 745 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 4: we all remember was ugly yep here in Foxborough. Okay. That, 746 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 4: in my opinion, not anybody else's, not an informed opinion. 747 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 4: My opinion is why they chose to move on from 748 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers, the guy who, when it was his fault 749 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 4: they lost a game, stood as if his life depended 750 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: on taking accountability. You chose to extend a guy who 751 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 4: tries to tell you that the ball hit off his 752 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: fingertips after by the way next questioning another guy who 753 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 4: asked him what he saw. You chose to extend one 754 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 4: of those guys and let the other one walk. That 755 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: really bothers me. Wes Welker. In the Super Bowl a 756 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 4: past that, we've had debates about whether or not it 757 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: was Tom Brady's fault or Wes Welker's fault. Wes Welker 758 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 4: doesn't have any debate on it. Wes Welker says it 759 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: was Wes Welker's fault. And I've never seen a guy 760 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 4: for forty five minutes postgame and a Super Bowl with 761 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: the entire country asking him the question, his eyes as 762 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: red as my son's after homecoming. Okay, thank you, Matt, 763 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 4: no one else, no one else. 764 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: Last Yeah, I thought it was the other thing. 765 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 4: He was, Okay, crying, crying, he was so upset about 766 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 4: costing his team a super Bowl. 767 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: It's a great point. 768 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 4: Where'd he go? See you, Wes? I don't get it. 769 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: It's a great point. 770 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 4: I don't get it. That bug me. Why make it sold? 771 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: That aboves me? 772 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 5: Like it's you know, like, what is it? I mean 773 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: I'm guessing that it's I don't want to be questioned 774 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 5: by these media guys like, what do they know? 775 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 4: Like that that's kind of what comes up. But it's 776 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 4: so easy to say, hit me in the hands. 777 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 10: I got at it. 778 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 4: I had no excuse, Like. 779 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 5: It's the easiest thing in the world. You don't even 780 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 5: have to believe it walk away. 781 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: It's the easy. Do you think anybody would sit here 782 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 4: today and say, wow, what Devonte Parker? But no, kidne 783 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 4: it was say hey, you know what, got to have 784 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 4: that ball. But at least he owned up to it. 785 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: By the way, even if it was on his fingertips, 786 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: which it wasn't, he still should have said he could 787 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: have had. 788 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 4: It right right. 789 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: You know, you back up your you'd never throw blame else. 790 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 4: I gotta make a play. I kept watching different replays 791 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 4: of it as we were doing the post game Freddy 792 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 4: and I kept looking. I was like, maybe, you know, 793 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: maybe one of the defensive backs who's desperately trying to 794 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 4: get back in the play. You know, sometimes they reach 795 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: up and the shot of bat, maybe it blocked his 796 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 4: field division he lost sight of the ball. For nope, 797 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 4: it never happened. The ball lands in his hands. 798 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: I really didn't get a you know, a second, third, 799 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: fourth look until I got on the plane and I 800 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: let out an audible gas. I was like, oh, you know, 801 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: because that's the first time i'd really got to see it, 802 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: you know, in slow motion. Everything absolutely had that ball. 803 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 4: That is as routine a catch for an NFL receiver 804 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 4: as you can get. If you can't make that catch, 805 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 4: you camp. 806 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 5: And that's what he's here for. Like, that's him, Like, 807 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 5: that's he's supposed to be that guy. That's you gave 808 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 5: him a three year contract extension this summer to do 809 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 5: stuff like. 810 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 4: That, and I know they didn't extend him after he 811 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 4: failed to take accountability, but that's. 812 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 5: This is the guy you chose to extend the same 813 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 5: thing with you get your handed that's you know, your 814 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 5: your crown piece of of free agency this year was 815 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 5: at least at least. 816 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 4: Juju is is you know. And again he's taking you right. 817 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: He's not telling you my knee hurts. He's telling you 818 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good. I'm just got to play better. 819 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm a little torn on part of 820 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 5: me likes that he is willing to talk about. Also, 821 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I kind of like talking to the 822 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 5: cameras that don't like. 823 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: The player himself has not done the job and that's 824 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 4: the bottom line. But again, at least he's taking accountability. 825 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 4: Parker like that that was awful? 826 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 827 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 5: Do you believe people are like saying he should be 828 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 5: cut after that? Like Parker, I mean, that seems it's 829 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 5: intense to me, Like, I don't know if you could 830 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 5: make that move just to cut somebody for not be 831 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 5: the first time that a coaches used to guy to 832 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 5: make an example. 833 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: Well, at at very least he owes Mac in apology. 834 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: I believe that, first first for dropping it and then 835 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: for not Yeah. 836 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 4: He owes in an apology for not saying that he 837 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 4: should have caught the ball. I agree. 838 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 9: I think of that that topic. Do you think that. 839 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 4: Then he could go back to Patricia later? 840 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 8: Do you do you believe the hype around Mac has 841 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 8: lost like players. 842 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 9: Respect in the locker room. I think about that floating around. 843 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, because of the kicking and vanilla. 844 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 4: I think it's everything. 845 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the entire I think the 846 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: guys see him working hard and you know, some guy 847 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: don't know. 848 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 5: I mean, I I don't know, but I would say 849 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 5: it's like being on any team. I'm sure like there 850 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 5: is what fifty guys on the team, there's certainly going 851 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 5: to be defensive players who are like, this, ain't it. 852 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 4: This, ain't it, This isn't what I think there are 853 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 4: offensive players that here him after what game? Was it? 854 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 4: The was it the Miami game? What he's talking about. 855 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 4: We've got to work harder, you know, we can't have 856 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 4: some of it, some of us. It's got to be 857 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 4: everybody something like that. 858 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: But since then, it's always been you know, I just 859 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: got to keep positive mental attitude. But that's great, I know. 860 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 4: But to Tamara's point, if there are people in that 861 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 4: locker room that aren't necessarily willing to run through a 862 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 4: wall for him, I understand why. 863 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's getting killed every week and the other 864 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: player his teammates see that he's under five. 865 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 5: It's kind of the opposite of Brady Belichick. Now, it's like, 866 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 5: who's who have they stopped playing for? 867 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 4: More? 868 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 5: Like do they You know, it's because this doesn't look 869 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 5: like a team really has a lot of fight right now. 870 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 5: And I think probably some of it is people don't 871 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 5: really believe that Mac is going to lead their team. 872 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 5: And I'm sure that there are probably members of this 873 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 5: team that aren't really buying. 874 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 4: What Bebe's slinging either. 875 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 5: So you know, and now we're trying to divvy up there. 876 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's deflating. I mean, you know, like you said, 877 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: you start the game off the way they did in 878 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: the D. Defense is watching that, yep, and. 879 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 4: They're like, here we go. 880 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: You know. 881 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 4: Well the defense also started off by letting the other 882 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 4: team have the ball for this, I know, but there's 883 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 4: plenty of blame to go around. The offense is by 884 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 4: far and away the biggest problem, but it's the Spider Man. 885 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 4: I think. I think you're going to get to the 886 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 4: point where the defense is like thank god the offense 887 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 4: is because no one's talking about we can't come up 888 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 4: with a stop. And they did force two punts in 889 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 4: that game. Yeah yeah, one of the first halts out 890 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 4: of there. I mean I think it. 891 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 5: Evan had some stats yesterday on Twitter to kind of 892 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 5: sorry X, to back it up of the lack of 893 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 5: pressure without you on and this. 894 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 4: You know, they can't with four man rush. Where is 895 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 4: get there? 896 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Where is he? 897 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean he is He is on the 898 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 5: injury report, so he is hurt. But you know, I 899 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 5: saw Henry mckennon' tweeted, I'd say that Patriots haven't had 900 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 5: any contract extension discussions with Josh what no kidding? 901 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that he is potentially, I mean, 902 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 4: if he's healthy. I mean, I know he left that game. 903 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 4: He was on the injury report, I think with the knee, 904 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 4: and he left that game with a foot. Oh gosh, 905 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds right. So if I was a good 906 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 4: team that needed some pass rush depth, I'd give you 907 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 4: a sixth or seventh round pick for him. 908 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 5: If you were like the twenty eleven Patriots and you 909 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 5: lost what's his face when he went down in Denver 910 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 5: who came here and had Andre Carter, you know, like 911 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 5: they lost one of their big pass rushers. They had 912 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 5: to put Marty Anderson in as like a you know, 913 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 5: we need some pass rush depth. 914 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 10: We need it. 915 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 4: You know, he doesn't have to be Von. 916 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 5: Miller, but we need a third guy off the edge 917 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 5: on third downs. Bring him in to do what he's 918 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 5: always done. 919 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: Mark Anderson had ten sacks when he was here. 920 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So some some guy will sort of douce 921 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: last year. 922 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: Yep, But where's he this year? 923 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 5: I mean, and that's I don't I mean, I don't 924 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 5: want to like really rail on josh Uja. But I 925 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 5: just I'm not surprised, Like this isn't who he is. 926 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 5: He's been a third down pass rusher since he was 927 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 5: at Michigan when you're in a favorable down and distance 928 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 5: and it's third and long and he can just run 929 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 5: off the edge, and like he's good. 930 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: He's a really athletic guy. He's pretty good chasing people down. 931 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 5: But when it comes with Judon's out and we need 932 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 5: you to play early downs and stop the run and 933 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 5: then get after the quarterback when they're going to try 934 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 5: to pass on early downs, is it's just never been 935 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 5: his game. And I think it's you know, it's this 936 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 5: team has so many issues right now that like re 937 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 5: signing a specialty pass rusher as much as I think, 938 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 5: you know, it's nice to keep guys that you developed, 939 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 5: and I like josh Jay, it's hard to make a case. 940 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 4: For you, right And there was a point for during 941 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 4: the game, and we were talking about this during the 942 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 4: post game show where Romo was actually talking about how 943 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 4: much they were missing Judon during plays while the play 944 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 4: was actually it was not during the replay showing how 945 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 4: much time Garolo had. There was times where there was 946 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 4: one play in the second half where Hoyer could have 947 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 4: like made himself a sandwich he had so much time. 948 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 4: And Romo actually said, this is where the absence of 949 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 4: Judeon really shows up, sure like while the play was 950 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 4: going on. 951 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: But you know, one guy shouldn't make that much of 952 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: a difference. 953 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 4: No, right, but does. But you're right to what to 954 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 4: ask the question where has and he should be the 955 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 4: guy that's filling that void at least in terms of 956 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 4: putting some pressure on. Yeah, and he's gotten I mean, 957 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 4: I know he only has two sacks, but it's not 958 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 4: like he's been around the quarterback constantly. 959 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: I see him. I see him just you know, he 960 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: gets contact and he's just locked on the wall. He's 961 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: just stonewalls. 962 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 8: I found Evan's tweet with the stats with him without Judon, 963 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 8: with Judon ten sacks without Judon, two sacks, pressure percentage 964 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 8: with Judon thirty seven point three without Judon twenty five 965 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 8: point eight percent. 966 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's big, sounds significant. Yeah, I think part of 967 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 4: that is also they've changed the way they play a 968 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 4: little bit too. You know, I think that they know 969 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 4: they don't have that guy, so but it can't necessarily 970 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 4: rely on. 971 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 5: But again, it's just like one of these issues that like, 972 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 5: you know, like us, we saw it coming, Like we 973 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 5: talked about tackles this offseason constantly. We talked about what 974 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 5: happens if Judoon goes down, They're gonna be in trouble. 975 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 10: You know. 976 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 5: Times if I use the term house of cards, yeah, 977 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 5: I mean it's been a slow motion train wreck where 978 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 5: you just see it coming and you're like, you know, hi, 979 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 5: I know, I'm just you know, Patriots and filter writer guy. 980 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 5: But like to me, you might want to get some 981 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 5: tackles in the building like that have some potential in 982 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 5: her young and you know that you can work in 983 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 5: and it's it's just not surprising when you see these things. 984 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: I'll come home, all right, Well. 985 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 3: You want to tackle in the building. 986 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 11: Evan Collins and Nate Solder was out there watching practice. 987 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: Evan, I heard that you are directing a new movie 988 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: called Broke Mac Mountain. 989 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 5: That's a that's a pf W cover right there. 990 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 8: How long were you sitting righting the show? 991 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 6: Though? 992 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: You need to behind the curtain of like how he 993 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 3: comes up with these things. That's at some point. 994 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 4: That's Denver Christmas Eve. That was because you know, it's 995 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 4: kind of a mile high. 996 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 3: I didn't really I didn't really care for that anyways. Uh, 997 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 3: it's a beautiful love story. Patriots practice today on a Tuesday, 998 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 3: so I want to preface that with these not spotted 999 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: are not seen there that it's a Tuesday practice, so 1000 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 3: it's a little bit expedited to have some of these guys. 1001 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 3: So this is our list. Are going to start with 1002 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 3: the positives. Jack Jones back at Patriots practice on Tuesday, 1003 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 3: so that that starts his clock. So I I, you know, 1004 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 3: recent's had that report that it was probably going to 1005 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 3: be a couple more weeks, but that they were hopeful 1006 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 3: after that that he was going to be able to play. 1007 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 3: So I think that you're looking at maybe getting Jack 1008 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 3: Jones everybody down. 1009 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 4: No, I meant that was a line from Fletch the 1010 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 4: crooked police come and thank goodness it's the. 1011 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 8: I got you. 1012 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 4: Go ahead. 1013 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm going to plead the fifth on that conversation 1014 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 3: to Mario Douglas also back at Patriots, so that's good. 1015 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 3: Not spotted including Juju, Remandra Stevenson, Hunter, Henry Trent Brown, 1016 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 3: josh U J, Devon Godshaw, and Keon White, who left 1017 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 3: the game with the concussions, so I would expect him 1018 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 3: to be out. Speaking of tackles, there was a new 1019 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 3: number seventy five, who we all presume is actually an 1020 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 3: old number seventy five, and that would be one Connor McDermott. 1021 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 4: I thought he was placed on IOWA. 1022 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 3: He was on IR He was then released with an 1023 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 3: injury settlement, and I assumed that the rules have now 1024 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 3: passed and he is backed. And I I say this 1025 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 3: with not being. 1026 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 4: Like to say it, I know exactly. 1027 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 3: Benefit not not being naive of this is where we're at, 1028 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 3: that it's Connor McDermott that's coming to save the season. 1029 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,879 Speaker 3: But it is. It is an upgrade potentially over Darian Low. 1030 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 4: It really is. 1031 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 3: I think his film Last Year Down the Stretch is 1032 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 3: certainly better than anything Vederian Low has put out. 1033 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: We remember, look at what they do, not what they say. 1034 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh this is what Finally they probably agree. 1035 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 8: I like that line, Fred, because when I think of, oh, 1036 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 8: we're going to start over this week, I'm like, I 1037 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 8: feel like the hype around hearing starting over. We were 1038 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 8: expecting to see a different product on Sunday, but what 1039 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 8: we saw was not exactly starting over right. 1040 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 5: A just rifling off that list of absence sees again, 1041 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 5: I'm just curious, you said, gotcha, Trump, Brown, Hunter. 1042 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 3: Henry remondra Stevenson, Hunter, Henry Trent, Brown, Juju Smith, Schuster, 1043 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 3: John Jones, josh U J. Devon, Godshaw, key On White. 1044 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 3: So I think, like I brought up the Tuesday practice thing. 1045 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 3: So this is the second consecutive week that they've practiced 1046 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 3: on a Tuesday, I will say that this is their 1047 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 3: one and five, like this is a sign of the times, 1048 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 3: Like this is not like a normal thing for them 1049 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 3: to be practicing on Tuesdays. In my time on the beat, 1050 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 3: They've never practiced on Tuesdays. We asked Trags. You know, 1051 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 3: Paul can weigh in. It's been here longer than me. 1052 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,959 Speaker 3: Trags can't recall them ever practicing on a Tuesday either, 1053 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: and he goes back thirty years of covering the Patriots. 1054 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 4: So we talked about it before. Yeah, I never never 1055 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 4: remember Tuesday practice. 1056 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,919 Speaker 3: Right, So guys like We'mandre, Henry Trent, those guys God Shot, 1057 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 3: like those guys I think are just banged up throughout 1058 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 3: the course of the season and their absences today. I 1059 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 3: wouldn't panic over just yet. I think that that's more 1060 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 3: a maintenance day and this is an awkward thing to 1061 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 3: have this Tuesday practice. 1062 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 4: Okay, I would agree with that. 1063 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 5: I was a little surprised that Stevenson came back in 1064 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 5: the game, but once he did, I assumed that he 1065 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 5: cleared any kind. 1066 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 3: Of yeah, well, you know, it's funny watch again it 1067 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 3: was so he actually said it. So he said it 1068 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 3: was his ankle post game. 1069 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 5: And then I think he fell and kind of hit 1070 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 5: his head on him play, and I think they just 1071 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 5: pulled him to check him. 1072 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,439 Speaker 4: But I think that he was immediately grabbed his face mask, 1073 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, Like, I was really happy what 1074 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 4: he got back in the game. Now, I say this 1075 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 4: all the time because I get annoyed at the yents 1076 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 4: on Twitter every night and every time I watch every 1077 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 4: no every time I watch a game, every time a 1078 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 4: guy goes down like it happens Sunday night, Josh Allen 1079 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,959 Speaker 4: gets sacked and he hit his head on the ground, 1080 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean he has a concussion, like he got checked. 1081 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 4: He left the game for a couple of plays. If 1082 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 4: he goes over to the neurologists, it's always crooked, Like 1083 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 4: to everybody on Twitter and it's always generally like it's 1084 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 4: crooked for Kansas City, it's crooked for Buffalo, you know, 1085 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 4: Like it's always the teams that tend to be good 1086 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,479 Speaker 4: that the NFL is trying to let win. So Josh 1087 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 4: Allen was allowed back in the game. Ramindrie Stevenson didn't 1088 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 4: necessarily have to have a concussion just because he hit 1089 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 4: his head hard on the turf. So I was really 1090 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 4: glad when he came back in the game and they 1091 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 4: don't drag any My timeline wasn't littered with how did 1092 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 4: he just pass concussion protocol so fast? 1093 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 5: Right, Well, it's good that the NFL is being able 1094 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 5: to do that. I meant, that's how case like. But 1095 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 5: he like ran over to the side and got checked 1096 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 5: out quick. Now, now if that rough in the passer 1097 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 5: call was pretty crazy. Oh it's a terrible call. It's 1098 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 5: a terrible call. 1099 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 4: But my point about the concussions is like do they 1100 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 4: miss him. Of course they do, Like this is situation 1101 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 4: with Tua last year. Obviously was more severe than was 1102 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 4: originally let on. But because of that, now every time 1103 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 4: a guy gets it, he automatically has to be concustom 1104 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 4: needs to come out of the game. 1105 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, they're airing on the side of cars. 1106 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 4: But and I get that, that's okay, So let him 1107 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 4: get checked out, right, Like who was the guy? Jamal 1108 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 4: Adams went ballistic on the guy, right, and he apologized. 1109 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 4: He got I think he got, he got. He got 1110 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 4: made to look bad for that. But just because he 1111 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 4: got hit in the head doesn't mean like he needs 1112 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 4: to miss the next three games, right, you know, so 1113 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 4: I get it? 1114 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: Did you already ask Evan the mood step on your toes? 1115 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: We are wondering what is the movie? 1116 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 3: Well, so I actually have an answer for you this week, 1117 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 3: because actually there was you know, it was a Tuesday practice, 1118 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 3: so it was a little bit of a lighter contingent 1119 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 3: because this was you know, kind of unexpected to an extent, 1120 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 3: and uh, there was a lot of moving parts, so 1121 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 3: we actually he had to to band together and huddle 1122 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 3: up a little bit and go over our absences and 1123 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 3: things like that. So this was this one made you 1124 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 3: think a little bit. This was more like a training 1125 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,280 Speaker 3: camp practice where like, you know, there's ninety guys out there. 1126 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 4: And you have to don't care for it. Yeah, I 1127 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 4: don't like relying on other people's information. I want my guy. 1128 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: So instead of the usual chatter that people had to 1129 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: get down to work. 1130 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to focus. There was a lot of 1131 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,919 Speaker 3: you know, guys coming back, guys absent, new guy, you know, Likeybe. 1132 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 4: They were grousing about having to like collaborate with everybody. 1133 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's what It's a lot going on. 1134 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 4: I was not talking to that guy. But what about 1135 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 4: this Eric take attendance? 1136 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: How was the on field. 1137 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 3: Move same as usual? I thought Jack Jones, I watched him, 1138 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 3: you know, warming up a little bit just to see 1139 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 3: what he how he was moving. And we didn't get 1140 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 3: to watch that much of practice, but you can always 1141 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 3: tell when a guy is like excited to be back 1142 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 3: out there, and that was that was his mood, for sure. 1143 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 3: He was. He was bouncing around a little bit. Return 1144 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 3: Connor mcturmott seventy five looks good. 1145 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: What's uh? Speaking of Jack Jones, what's the deal with 1146 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones? 1147 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 4: Banged up? He looks a little uh to me? Still, yeah, yeah, 1148 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,439 Speaker 4: I get that. What a knee injury? I think again, 1149 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 4: I want to throw it out. What did you see 1150 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 4: in the deep ball to that Jonathan Jones allowed to 1151 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 4: Trey Tucker tough spot. 1152 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they they doubled Myers and DeVante Adams underneath. 1153 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 4: Do you think that that should have happened? 1154 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 1155 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 4: Why did Jonathan Jones get up looking for a safety? 1156 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 10: Uh? 1157 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a good question. They you know, 1158 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 3: they had, like. 1159 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 4: I think Peppers should not have come down on that. 1160 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 3: They had crossing routes, you know, each direction, right and uh, 1161 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 3: one by Myers and one by Adams and bullet dugger 1162 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 3: and jumped Adams, Peppers jumped Myers and John Jones was 1163 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 3: one on one down the field with Tucker. 1164 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. I just was wondering if one of those safeties, 1165 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 4: and I thought it was Peppers that should have been 1166 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 4: It looked like Jones was expecting deep Yeah, I don't know. 1167 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 4: Maybe he was just trying to avoid blame. 1168 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,320 Speaker 3: Uh, this was not He's banged. 1169 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 4: Fred will tell you that is a page written, directed 1170 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 4: and produced by Ty Law. Law was the greatest ever 1171 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,280 Speaker 4: at immediately letting everybody. 1172 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: Know what my fault. 1173 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 4: I just gave up a catch, but it might not 1174 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 4: necessarily my fault. 1175 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 5: I would say two in theory, like you would think 1176 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,280 Speaker 5: Trey Tucker was he drafted or yeah, it was rookie, 1177 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 5: but no, not yet around he's fast, but I mean 1178 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 5: Jonathan Jones on him like, well, I that's super fa. 1179 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 5: That's how I sort of read the coverage was we're 1180 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 5: going to take away your two best options and leave 1181 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 5: the guy who we think our best corner is one 1182 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 5: on one with your rookie receiver, and we're going to 1183 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 5: take the matchup. 1184 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 3: Uh, and he just got beat. But this was John 1185 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 3: Jones gave up one hundred and seventeen yards into his 1186 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 3: coverage in this game, and other than when he goes 1187 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 3: up against thee fon Diggs, I can't really think of 1188 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 3: another instance where where he gives up that that kind 1189 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 3: of yardage. So it wasn't just the forty eight yard 1190 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 3: this so that was a rough game for him. 1191 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, all right, eight five to five pats 1192 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: five hundred is the ace ticket hut line. Let's go 1193 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 1: to the phones. We'll start with Alex in Austin. What's up, Alex, Hey, guys, 1194 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: how are we doing good? Thanks for holding man? 1195 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 12: Yeah, I have one point to make and one question. 1196 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 12: The point I wanted to make was on the safety 1197 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 12: at the end the offensive lines reaction and just leaving 1198 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 12: the field and only one of them reluctantly helping back 1199 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 12: up was absolute bush league in my opinion, and I 1200 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 12: just really hated to see that because they looked like, oh, yeah, 1201 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 12: we let this guy through to get a safety on you, 1202 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 12: and now we're not gonna even like hold ourselves accountable 1203 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 12: and help you out. 1204 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 4: But my my question was who what teams are we 1205 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 4: better than? 1206 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 12: Like I'd argue Carolina is better than us. They had 1207 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 12: a good opening game plan against Miami, they just don't 1208 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 12: have the defensive talent to see it through. And like 1209 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,359 Speaker 12: Denver would put points up on us. Uh, Like, the 1210 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 12: only ones that really come to mind are Indianapolis now 1211 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 12: that Richards is out, and New York Giants. 1212 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point it doesn't even really matter. 1213 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not necessarily going to pare all the rosters. 1214 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 4: I would say that, you know, the Washington's, the Indies, 1215 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 4: the Giants, those are teams that are similar to you. 1216 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 4: I think the Raiders are similar to you in talent. 1217 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 4: There wasn't a huge gap in talent on on Sunday that. 1218 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 3: You're better than the Carolina Panthers team. 1219 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 4: I think the Panthers are stripping it down and. 1220 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I'm. 1221 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,279 Speaker 4: Up to be. I actually thought, because I watched a 1222 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 4: good chunk of that game on Red Zone Sunday, and 1223 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 4: I actually thought that they they did have a good 1224 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 4: game plan to start of that game, and I thought 1225 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 4: Bryce Young looked pretty good at the start of that game. Now, 1226 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 4: much which happens to a lot of rookie quarterbacks. Here's 1227 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 4: the ten things we want to do this week, Evan, 1228 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 4: and then when the other team sort of figures out 1229 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 4: with what eight of those ten things are tough, you know, 1230 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 4: kind of like Mac in the middle of his rookie year. Yeah, right, 1231 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 4: you know you see a difference. 1232 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your question? 1233 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 3: I think that was the question. 1234 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's it. 1235 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I don't necessarily think there were 1236 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 4: a lot of teams that the Patriots are more talented 1237 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 4: quote unquote then, but I think there were a lot 1238 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 4: of similar teams to the Patriots. 1239 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know the Giants played their backup 1240 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 3: quarterback with Tyrod in that game, but that offense is 1241 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 3: a dumpster fire. 1242 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,840 Speaker 4: Well that offense, you do realize the entirety of that 1243 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 4: They started a guy that was literally he said it 1244 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 4: on my Yeah. 1245 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 3: I mean maybe they I don't know the Giants injury 1246 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 3: situation that well, but I just know that that that was. 1247 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: What the Patriots are getting down the start point too, 1248 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: with the injuries. You know, It's yeah, I mean that's 1249 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: what happens when things go south, guys. 1250 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, well, I mean I think we're 1251 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 5: getting at that point now. That's what we're kind of 1252 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 5: talking about. 1253 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I think some of it is injuries, that 1254 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 4: some of it is poor play, like too. 1255 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Josh is in Dallas, Hey, Josh. 1256 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 13: Everyone, I think we can agree that the writing is 1257 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 13: kind of on the all that the end of the 1258 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 13: Mac Jones era is coming, and maybe probably even the 1259 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 13: Bill Belichick era. And so I'm not asking you guys 1260 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 13: to debate. I think we've kind of talked enough about 1261 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 13: whether it's Mac who just can't play, or the coaching 1262 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 13: musical chairs, or they didn't set them up with receivers, whatever. 1263 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 13: I'm not asking you guys to debate that. But I 1264 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,880 Speaker 13: would love for you guys just to maybe speculate a 1265 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 13: little bit if Lord willing Pe' is still on the 1266 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 13: air in twenty years, when you guys think about this 1267 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 13: post Brady era with Bill kind of at the end 1268 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 13: of his time and Mac Jones as a quarterback. What 1269 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 13: do you think it'll be most remembered for. How do 1270 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 13: you think you guys in the media and the fans 1271 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 13: will remember it if you guys are referencing it on 1272 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 13: future shows. 1273 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Okay, I mean hopefully in twenty years. This 1274 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,240 Speaker 1: is just a footnote, like it's a hiccup and we've 1275 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,440 Speaker 1: done better since then. But like, if you're looking at 1276 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: this era, this is like the purgatory Fred. This is 1277 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: the after you lose the greatest player in the in 1278 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 1: the world that you needed to adjust and it just 1279 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: took you time. 1280 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just say, but I think they fell into 1281 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,800 Speaker 4: a talent void. 1282 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 5: And I mean, I guess the phrase falling into is 1283 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 5: putting it kindly, but they ended up in a talent 1284 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 5: void and that's really where they're at. 1285 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 4: They don't have any star players. They don't really. 1286 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 5: They had to go out and try to buy a 1287 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 5: couple in free agency, and you know, they got good 1288 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 5: returns on Judon, but they didn't. 1289 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 4: They just didn't get enough out of the draft. 1290 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,960 Speaker 5: And you know, I think like just a lot of 1291 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 5: their moves have just backfired in their face over these 1292 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:30,680 Speaker 5: last few. 1293 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: Years that there was a talent void. There was a 1294 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: coaching void. I mean it was just a void. 1295 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all the credible when you really think 1296 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 3: about like all of the personnel moves that they've made 1297 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 3: and how many of them have blown up in their face, 1298 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 3: is it's actually a kind of an insane run. 1299 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 4: It is just like it's. 1300 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 5: Almost hard to imagine how they could have, you know, 1301 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 5: missed on so many first round picks. 1302 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,400 Speaker 3: I feel like if this like the draft, even in 1303 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 3: free agency too, like sorry to cut you off to Mara, 1304 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 3: but like you know, just look at that class from 1305 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one in free agent. So you got what 1306 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 3: Jude on Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry and I'm like, 1307 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,360 Speaker 3: you know, the John Ude signing, the you know, the 1308 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 3: jujuw signing, Like it's not Parker, Like it's not just 1309 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 3: the draft. Like they've done a terrible job in pro personnel. 1310 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 3: Also for like four years, Riley Reef. 1311 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 4: And Calvin Anderson was supposed to be the answers that 1312 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 4: tackle this year. Like you know, like just you can go. 1313 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 5: On and on, it's it's and when you start really 1314 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 5: thinking about it and lining it up from I don't know, 1315 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen on it's just that that's what it is. 1316 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 5: That's why they're here. It's just poor decisions that have 1317 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 5: all kind of backfright. I thought it was interesting. You see, 1318 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 5: Julian Edelman had a comment. I just, I mean, nothing 1319 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 5: we didn't know, but he was talking about how you 1320 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 5: know when you see and you could tell who was 1321 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 5: talking about. 1322 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 4: I don't want to call anybody out, but you know, 1323 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 4: you have. 1324 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 5: A first round pick, you know, and it's like yeah, yeah, 1325 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's and it's so many of the things 1326 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 5: again like to go back to like, Hi, I'm just 1327 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 5: a Patriots and Filter writer, but it's like these things 1328 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 5: seemed obvious to me. And I don't want to be 1329 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,000 Speaker 5: the one who was, you know, saying you should have 1330 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 5: known better. But I just it's shocking to me how 1331 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 5: they could have made this many mistakes. 1332 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 8: I feel like if this was any other organization who 1333 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 8: was coached by someone else, they would have been lego, 1334 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 8: Like this would not be a four year situation. 1335 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 4: Last year. 1336 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 5: I think last year would have done it, you know 1337 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 5: what I mean, twenty twenty you're in COVID and you know, 1338 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 5: all right, fine, I think everybody, like even the most 1339 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 5: diehard you know, Brady fans would have said the year 1340 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 5: after Brady leaves, let's just temper expectations, all right, Like, 1341 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 5: you know, we all know what he was and what 1342 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,440 Speaker 5: he meant. But you know, you spend in twenty twenty one, 1343 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 5: it seems like you draft a quarterback, you've turned the corner. 1344 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 5: But they just couldn't hit on enough moves to you know, 1345 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,880 Speaker 5: make it work. 1346 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 1: Do you think the moves that they made over the 1347 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: last three years are moves that a team who knows 1348 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,120 Speaker 1: they're in rebuilding mode make, or are they moves that 1349 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: of a team that think, you know, we're not that 1350 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: we're not that far away that Yeah. 1351 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 8: I think it's more so like we have the best coaches, 1352 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 8: like we can coach, we can coach anything and make 1353 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 8: it something. 1354 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's that's. 1355 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 3: Not the case. 1356 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 4: I think the moves they've made or moves that they think, 1357 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 4: you know, a couple of tweaks here and there. I 1358 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 4: think they think they're a lot closer than we think 1359 00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 4: they are. 1360 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1361 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if like they're it's hard because I 1362 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 3: don't know if they're necessarily that far away. It's just 1363 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 3: like what they need is to is like the hardest 1364 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 3: things to get and it's like the biggest thing, right, Like, 1365 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 3: you know, if you dropped in a better quarterback and 1366 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 3: a number one receiver, Like, would this team all of 1367 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 3: a sudden be winning ten eleven games again? Like, oh, 1368 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 3: I think they would. 1369 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 4: If they had with that line. Yeah, yeah they would. 1370 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 3: I think they would, especially if, like the line is 1371 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 3: healthier than it had has been. 1372 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 9: A healthy Burrow and Chase in this. 1373 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 5: Oh okay, now, well he just said a top quarterback 1374 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,640 Speaker 5: and a top receiver and. 1375 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: That's put both of them here, and those are the 1376 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: top of the top. 1377 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 4: But if you had a really good quarterback and a 1378 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 4: really good receiver, you'd be able to outscore some teams. 1379 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 4: You can't do that now, Yeah, Like it's not there's 1380 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 4: a lot of teams with terrible line play. It doesn't 1381 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 4: have to look like this when you have terrible line play. Yeah, 1382 00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 4: I just think. 1383 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 5: There's doesn't I mean, if I go to the defensive 1384 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 5: side of the ball, too, I feel like they're. 1385 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,320 Speaker 4: Kind of just stuck in the middle, like, you know, 1386 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,400 Speaker 4: they just don't really have and today's game. To me, 1387 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 4: they're fine defensively, but they're just they're not the defense 1388 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 4: that they're purported to be no, like you're not winning 1389 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,320 Speaker 4: games because of your defense. The defense is like, you know, 1390 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 4: you look at that, They've never done that. They've never 1391 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 4: done that against that kind of an opponent. 1392 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 3: It's it's the defenses of the injuries on the defense 1393 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 3: as a bummer. Like if they had Judon and Christian 1394 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 3: Gonzales and they are building with Gonzales, I really think 1395 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,959 Speaker 3: that they could have been unap double better. 1396 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,880 Speaker 4: I don't think they'd be like that. I would think 1397 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 4: they'd be winning games. 1398 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 5: But I wonder what it would look like if they 1399 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 5: had Gonzalez but they didn't have jude On, you know, 1400 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 5: like because I just I like, I hate to hammer 1401 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,920 Speaker 5: the jude On point, but it's you know, and I 1402 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 5: think he On White has some promise, but he's not 1403 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 5: going to be Matt jude On, Like you need, you 1404 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 5: needed another one of those kind of players, not kind 1405 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 5: of a let's feel it out hybrid defensive end stand 1406 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 5: up maybe like you need. I mean, that's why the 1407 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings all of a sudden, guess what he'sn probably 1408 01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 5: play a hundred percent of the. 1409 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 4: Nap A point, Fred I mean to the callers point, 1410 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 4: rather twenty years from now, when we're doing our when 1411 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 4: you and I are still doing the show, and we'll 1412 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 4: get in an argument over what the the lasting legacy 1413 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 4: is of this era? Do you really think so like 1414 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 4: and will still be doing it? 1415 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: No? 1416 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 3: No, no, I just I feel like, twenty years from now, 1417 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 3: when I talk about Bill Belichick with my kids or 1418 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 3: something like that, you talking about these four years. No, no, 1419 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 3: no chance. 1420 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,000 Speaker 1: When you are talking about these four years, I think 1421 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna say they wasted time. 1422 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 3: I just feel like we're gonna get so far down 1423 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,560 Speaker 3: the like that's such a footnote in the Belichick era 1424 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,479 Speaker 3: that I don't know if I'm ever. 1425 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 4: Going to be But I ever talk about like the 1426 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 4: the eighty to eighty four Pittsburgh Steelers for Chuck Nolan. 1427 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 5: Well, but I have to say though, for me, like 1428 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,360 Speaker 5: I will talk about them because I was like a 1429 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 5: blogger boy outside and then you're right, you're in it. 1430 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 5: You're I'm responding to the question, this is my wad, 1431 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 5: but you're working right. But that's the change for me 1432 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 5: was going from the outside and all of a sudden 1433 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 5: you're the inside. You get a year of Brady, you 1434 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 5: see how it's kind of looking, and then I mean 1435 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 5: it's you know, I never in a million. 1436 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,960 Speaker 4: Years would have thought it would be this void if 1437 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 4: we were all I mean, if we were all still 1438 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 4: here seriously in twenty years, Yes we would talk like that. Yeah, 1439 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,760 Speaker 4: you know, I just think outside I'm with Evan, like, 1440 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody looks back at Tom Landry and says, 1441 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 4: just you know, right, you know that the last four 1442 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 4: or five years, man. 1443 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 3: That the only guy that gets out is Shula. But 1444 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,920 Speaker 3: that's because the only one one. So I feel like 1445 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,600 Speaker 3: it's just, uh, you know, kind of like like you know, 1446 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 3: he really. 1447 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 4: Couldn't win with Marino, like, but the thing, and like, 1448 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 4: there's no question in my mind how I feel. I 1449 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 4: think Shula is the worst coach out of that group. 1450 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 4: That's how I feel about Shola. But I think I 1451 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 4: always felt like he owned the refs because he was 1452 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,440 Speaker 4: on the competition. I believe me. I hated the Dolphins 1453 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 4: when I was a kid. I felt like they would 1454 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 4: crooked as the day as long whatever. But he didn't 1455 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 4: fall apart like all the rest of them did either. 1456 01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,480 Speaker 4: He couldn't quite win with Marino, but he was always there. Yeah, 1457 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 4: he was always in the ABC Championship game and lost 1458 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I I just like the other guys, 1459 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 4: like completely couldn't do anything. 1460 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I thought. I remember, whether it's Landry Shula or no. 1461 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,000 Speaker 1: They stay too long. 1462 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 4: They all did. Yeah, but what I'm saying is it 1463 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,360 Speaker 4: didn't collapse under Shula the way it did. 1464 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: No, no, right, land they stay too long. And now 1465 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: if Bill stays a few more years, it's gonna be. 1466 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 4: It could be. But do you think that's the legacy 1467 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 4: of those guys? 1468 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no, but that is part of 1469 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: their story. 1470 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 4: Yes, and it will be part of Bill's story. Yes, 1471 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 4: this is how it ends. Was Landry's last year the one? 1472 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 4: Was it a one win season? That was Jimmy Johnson's 1473 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 4: first first year? Okay? And then who dates? So then 1474 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,280 Speaker 4: they scatch Troy eight Man. I think Aikman was part 1475 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 4: of the one. 1476 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: In fus Yeah, yeah, he was Donni's and Pittsburgh. What's up, Donnie? 1477 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 14: Hey, thanks for taking the call again. I was calling 1478 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,560 Speaker 14: to just follow. 1479 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 15: Up on last week. 1480 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 14: You know you guys talked about what's starting over man 1481 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 14: after Bill's comments. We talked about improving the run game, 1482 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 14: getting more production out of defense with turnovers. A little 1483 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 14: bit of that stuff happened. He got a little bit 1484 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 14: of improved offensive line play. I think all around, even 1485 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 14: Kendrick Bourne and guys I still believe in him played 1486 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 14: a little better, but still the quarterback did not. So 1487 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,240 Speaker 14: my questions kind of forevan on that where do we 1488 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 14: go from here? Do you think it's not even worth 1489 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 14: bention Mac even though you're finally. 1490 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 16: A guy who's given up if you heard the first 1491 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 16: part of the show, but I mean benching him for 1492 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 16: whom like that's the like it just if they had 1493 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 16: a better option, or they had like an exciting option, 1494 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,040 Speaker 16: I don't even know a way to put it, like, and. 1495 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 3: Don't call in about Malik like it's it, that's not 1496 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 3: that's not an option, like a real option. Okay, so 1497 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 3: it just what else do you really do? I actually 1498 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 3: thought that they spoke after the game about how they 1499 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 3: got back to a lot of like their base concepts, 1500 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 3: like their day one install stuff, and I think some 1501 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 3: of that is is true. But I liked what they 1502 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,360 Speaker 3: did with the Running game. There was more motion involved 1503 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,760 Speaker 3: in the Running Game, some jet sweeps and end a rounds, 1504 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,400 Speaker 3: some you know, go motion where they showed the motion, 1505 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 3: but they don't actually give the ball to the guy 1506 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,919 Speaker 3: and that seemed to work and open up some things. 1507 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 3: They were definitely better in short yardage, and I think 1508 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 3: that was something that a lot of people were kind 1509 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,240 Speaker 3: of screaming about, was like why do you keep passing 1510 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 3: it on third and in one and two, Like like 1511 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 3: why are we running the ball? And they were able 1512 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 3: to pick up some first downs on the ground, you know, 1513 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 3: tossed to Remandre, sweep to Bourne, like just by running 1514 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,520 Speaker 3: the ball on third and short. So in some ways, 1515 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 3: I think they started over in that sense of like 1516 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 3: going back to the basics of their install But I 1517 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 3: also think that they dressed it up a little bit 1518 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 3: better in the run game, and I think that's why 1519 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 3: a lot of the reason why they had more success 1520 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 3: with it. 1521 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,400 Speaker 1: We didn't get to talk about it because it was 1522 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 1: a move that was made late or just before the game, 1523 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,919 Speaker 1: and you guys probably talked about in the postgame show. 1524 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 1: But what do you think with the home Elite Cunningham 1525 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 1: thing and you know, elevating him to the second quarterback 1526 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and how they eventually used him, what did you think about. 1527 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 3: All that His six naps were a disaster? 1528 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, none of them like that, Like you know, 1529 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 4: I just don't understand it. It's it's the lead of 1530 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 4: my notes today that we posted this morning. Mike and 1531 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 4: I talked about it the whole post, whole pregame show, 1532 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 4: the whole notion that Mac was on a short leash 1533 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 4: was the opposite because that that move prevented you from 1534 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,240 Speaker 4: having the ability to take mac Jones out of the game, 1535 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 4: because there's no possible way you could turn the offense 1536 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 4: over to Malie Cunningham for anything other than a specific 1537 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 4: package of plays, which they obviously used. I think you 1538 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,240 Speaker 4: get did you get. 1539 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,560 Speaker 3: Two STAPs wrong and TfL right? 1540 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,919 Speaker 4: So I'll get to that later off there too. 1541 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 10: But the. 1542 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 4: Did the decision to do to do that? Like what 1543 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 4: if Mac Jones like hear me out here and I know, like, 1544 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 4: well now he's talking about ifs, and he always makes 1545 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,000 Speaker 4: fun of the ifs, But like, is it out of 1546 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,520 Speaker 4: the realm of possibility that Mac Jones turns an ankle 1547 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,800 Speaker 4: and needs to miss like two series? What you're gonna 1548 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 4: do now? So now Zappi has to come in, right, 1549 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,040 Speaker 4: So Zappi comes in. That means mac Jones can't return 1550 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:17,280 Speaker 4: and Cunningham can't return, can't play right, So you put 1551 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where to avoid that you would 1552 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,080 Speaker 4: have had to have played Cunningham for actual series of 1553 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 4: downs and potentially put the kid didn't care in my opinion, 1554 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 4: in the situation that he absolutely could not compete. 1555 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 3: I agree. I think it was. 1556 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 4: It was a disservice to the team. It was negligent, 1557 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000 Speaker 4: and I know I used that word with coaches a lot. 1558 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 4: It was coaching negligence and they were lucky that it 1559 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,440 Speaker 4: didn't really come into into play. But listen, if Mac 1560 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,440 Speaker 4: Jones gets hit in the first play of the game 1561 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,880 Speaker 4: and goes down with the concussion, he's out, then it's 1562 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,200 Speaker 4: a point like you're putting in Bailey ZAPPI. You don't 1563 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 4: want to put Mac. You can't put Mac Jones back 1564 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,280 Speaker 4: in any way, even if even if you wanted to, 1565 01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:58,760 Speaker 4: you can't. 1566 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,680 Speaker 3: Well, how could you put in Bailey's happy. 1567 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,720 Speaker 4: Because then cunning he wouldn't be able to play. But 1568 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,120 Speaker 4: so cunning you could do that if you if the 1569 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,400 Speaker 4: first two guys are no longer available. 1570 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 3: Right, But you just said that if Mac in the 1571 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 3: first player of the game, get Like, my whole thing 1572 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,400 Speaker 3: is is if Mac gets hurt, Like, let's say. 1573 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 4: You lose two players you lose, the first has to 1574 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 4: be hurt. No, no, no, just unavailable? 1575 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,440 Speaker 3: Was how does that? What do you mean unavailable? 1576 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 4: He can't play? 1577 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 3: So he he can he can get skipped over, but. 1578 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,360 Speaker 4: He couldn't go in the game. 1579 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Even. 1580 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,080 Speaker 4: Let's just I thought, let's just say the second player 1581 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 4: of the game, Bailey's Appy gets a concussion, He's out 1582 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 4: right now, you're going with uh ramondre Stevenson out of 1583 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:38,840 Speaker 4: the wildcat everything. 1584 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,880 Speaker 3: So I thought that you that the the QB two. 1585 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,320 Speaker 3: I would thought that QB two had to get hurt 1586 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,439 Speaker 3: in order for you to activate QB three. 1587 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 4: But you don't. Really, I mean, like, who's to say 1588 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,599 Speaker 4: who qb QB two even. 1589 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 3: Is well that you have to designate it where in 1590 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:55,880 Speaker 3: the inactives? 1591 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 4: No, you have to just need an emergency guy. 1592 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,920 Speaker 3: I thought, what I'm saying is I the rule was 1593 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,680 Speaker 3: is that in order to even get to the emergency 1594 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,080 Speaker 3: quarterback as an option. 1595 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,679 Speaker 4: You first two can't be available. 1596 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,839 Speaker 3: I thought it was that they have to have injuries. 1597 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, there's obviously an easy way to do that. 1598 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,559 Speaker 4: You haven't if if in fact you're right, he goes 1599 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,720 Speaker 4: out and runs a wildcat in the first play and 1600 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:21,240 Speaker 4: they tell him stay down. Yeah. Right, but this is 1601 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,639 Speaker 4: what we talked about. And this is why, like, I'm 1602 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,840 Speaker 4: not this is even an argument, Yeah, because because I'm 1603 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,679 Speaker 4: just we're saying the same thing. 1604 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,520 Speaker 3: I just thought maybe the rule is I was confused. 1605 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,400 Speaker 4: Whether or not you get stuck with Malie Cunningham is 1606 01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 4: irrelevant to my Lodger point. You're putting yourself in a 1607 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 4: situation that you're putting the team in peril. 1608 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,080 Speaker 8: Literally, And he didn't even have a proper warm up, 1609 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,679 Speaker 8: like oh that that also annoyed the crap he warmed 1610 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,320 Speaker 8: up in the locker room so he wouldn't show anybody anything. 1611 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 8: That's weird, Like, no one has time for that, Like 1612 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,920 Speaker 8: you need to win games. No one has time to 1613 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,760 Speaker 8: be playing nine games on people. 1614 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 4: Like games like So if Evan's right, it makes it 1615 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 4: even worse, by the way, because now he quarterback. Right, 1616 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,519 Speaker 4: My understanding is get hurt. The first two guys have 1617 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,519 Speaker 4: to be unavailable. Now, I think there was a very 1618 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,200 Speaker 4: easy way around this. You don't have to designate an 1619 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 4: emergency quarterback. You could have had all three on the 1620 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:15,600 Speaker 4: regular roster. 1621 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 9: Just had cunning him be a wide receiver and just have. 1622 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,160 Speaker 4: No cunning him could be a quarterback. I'm fine with that, 1623 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 4: but you do not have to designate a third emergency quarterback. 1624 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,479 Speaker 4: He's one of your forty six pas. That's back spot. 1625 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,760 Speaker 4: He's a spot on the roster. And I don't know, 1626 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,240 Speaker 4: can you get by without Jalen Raider on the roster. 1627 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Apparently not. He was out here. He was out there. 1628 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,960 Speaker 4: He didn't do anything, like, he wasn't part of anything. 1629 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,920 Speaker 4: How about Michael when you he didn't play at all? 1630 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,280 Speaker 4: He was for the emergency. 1631 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 3: So here's the rule is the third quarterback can enter 1632 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 3: only if the two other quarterbacks are not available due 1633 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,360 Speaker 3: to injury or ejection. Okay, So so Malie could have 1634 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,880 Speaker 3: gone out there and thrown a punch, and I guess 1635 01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 3: even you know they could have gotten you. 1636 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,920 Speaker 4: What I'm saying, you just put him in there for 1637 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 4: the second play and you tell him stay down. We 1638 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,840 Speaker 4: got to get you out either way. The short leash 1639 01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:03,720 Speaker 4: for Mac Jones they had. 1640 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,679 Speaker 5: And that's not fair to Malie Cunningham. It's not fair 1641 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,160 Speaker 5: to him. He spent the entirety of his Patriots career 1642 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 5: playing wide receiver and he's the second quarterback in that game. 1643 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 5: Like that makes sense to anybody. 1644 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 4: And the two snaps that he got a quarterback were yeah, 1645 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,559 Speaker 4: and I'm not putting that on him, Like I know 1646 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,320 Speaker 4: he could have had like a ninety eight yard touchdown 1647 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,000 Speaker 4: run if he pulled it on the first even though 1648 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 4: there was a guy. But if you would have it 1649 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:35,800 Speaker 4: would have been a big play. It would have been 1650 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 4: a one on one and maybe he makes the guy miss. 1651 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Like if you really want to get him in the game, 1652 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, like Paul said, list him as your third quarterback, 1653 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,640 Speaker 1: or list him as a wide receiver and use up 1654 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 1: an extra spot and take on when you out, or 1655 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,480 Speaker 1: somebody someone. 1656 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,280 Speaker 4: Else could have been inactive in that game. You could 1657 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 4: have had all three of those guys. 1658 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,200 Speaker 1: Chris Board who shows up every game, But like. 1659 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,200 Speaker 4: What do you but at least he plays. But if 1660 01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 4: you're Mac Jones, what are you thinking? Like you've heard 1661 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 4: report that. 1662 01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,480 Speaker 5: You're gonna be on a short leash and then they 1663 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:03,920 Speaker 5: don't activate bailly z. 1664 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,639 Speaker 4: That be like to me, it just seems like Max, 1665 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 4: I'm throwing over one hundred Henry, But what are you 1666 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:09,559 Speaker 4: gonna do? 1667 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 1: But that's us saying he was on a short leaf right, Well, 1668 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting I meanick never stood up and said, 1669 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, Max on a short. 1670 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,160 Speaker 4: You know, except for those two weeks that he benched. 1671 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 5: No, I know, but but it's got to be Mac 1672 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 5: looking around saying so if I play bad, what are 1673 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,280 Speaker 5: we doing? 1674 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 4: Like who's going in? But I mean he has to 1675 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:23,640 Speaker 4: be away? 1676 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,000 Speaker 1: But what did ZAPPI show that? 1677 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 4: This is my point? 1678 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,240 Speaker 1: I know, but like maybe after that second bench he's. 1679 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 4: Like if he you know, so okay, so you want 1680 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,639 Speaker 4: so you thought Malie Cunningham would be a better option 1681 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,719 Speaker 4: than Bailey's after. 1682 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Will g No, not as not as a quarter. 1683 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 4: But they wanted that's what Bill did. Bill thought that 1684 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,360 Speaker 4: that was a better option. 1685 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 1: But they know I I don't understand what they did. 1686 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,599 Speaker 1: Like I get it that they wanted to have a 1687 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,439 Speaker 1: package for Cunningham in a wildcat situation, but that doesn't 1688 01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,640 Speaker 1: mean you had to list him as the number. 1689 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,799 Speaker 4: Two quint yourself into a corner. 1690 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:55,880 Speaker 1: I didn't understand that. 1691 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,880 Speaker 3: I mean, even the Saints with Taysom Hill, Jason j 1692 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 3: Mus Winston is active for the game right, they act 1693 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,160 Speaker 3: like they have Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill. And Taysom 1694 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,040 Speaker 3: Hill has started games at quarterback in the NFL, like 1695 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,400 Speaker 3: he's legitimately played quarterback. 1696 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 4: And plays quarterback every game. Yeah right, it's not taking 1697 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,439 Speaker 4: a snapback quarterback every game. You don't have to designate 1698 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,080 Speaker 4: a third quarterback. You can find a way to have 1699 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,360 Speaker 4: all three of those guys just regularly active. 1700 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Paul chess checkers. 1701 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we're playing chess with this is part 1702 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 4: of the thing. It's just like when you on side 1703 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,679 Speaker 4: kick on a punt and punch it right to it 1704 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 4: and like I'll never expect it. 1705 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 3: Just how much time are you spending in practice, in 1706 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,640 Speaker 3: the preparation of the game, playing chess with Malie Cunningham 1707 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,360 Speaker 3: and in like all this other Like this is the 1708 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,480 Speaker 3: type of stuff that like I just feel like this organization, 1709 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 3: this team that worries about all of the wrong things, 1710 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,840 Speaker 3: like way too much. It's like, stop spending so much 1711 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,320 Speaker 3: time trying to like you know, split an at him 1712 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,320 Speaker 3: here and like just like take your your quarterback is 1713 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 3: clearly broke and like try to like work with him 1714 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,760 Speaker 3: and try to figure some things out. 1715 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,519 Speaker 4: And they sometimes when they do it. And I couldn't 1716 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,559 Speaker 4: agree more with Whatevan the way he just said that. 1717 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 4: But like sometimes you look at things and they think 1718 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 4: it and they think it, and they think it, and 1719 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 4: you're like, okay, and I would use those short yardage 1720 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,360 Speaker 4: runs that they had, like three kind of different looks 1721 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,120 Speaker 4: variations of the same thing. One was like a quick 1722 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,120 Speaker 4: hitting pitch out to Remandre. One was like an end 1723 01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,240 Speaker 4: a round I think to Born and a kind of 1724 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,840 Speaker 4: reverse kind of thing. And you look at him, and 1725 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,720 Speaker 4: none of them like broke the bank. I think they 1726 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,320 Speaker 4: were all like five yards or less, but all of 1727 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 4: them got first downs. So I would look at that 1728 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,519 Speaker 4: and say, Jesus, you really used a lot of effort 1729 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 4: in time there to get first downs. But that's better 1730 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 4: than what's been the alternative lately of these third and 1731 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 4: shorts that they're not converting. So I can understand, Okay, 1732 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,680 Speaker 4: they gave some extra thought. Maybe that was too much 1733 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,559 Speaker 4: thought given to just getting three yards in a first down, 1734 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960 Speaker 4: but at least it was something that you could tangibly 1735 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,439 Speaker 4: say that they got out of it, these things that 1736 01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 4: they spent time. I'm on, like, we're gonna free kick. 1737 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,720 Speaker 4: We're gonna kick it right to a guy yea, and 1738 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,759 Speaker 4: hope that maybe he forgets that he can fare catch 1739 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 4: and then well it'll be a jump ball. We might 1740 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 4: be able to catch it. 1741 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,479 Speaker 5: I a quick question for Eevan, how do you feel 1742 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,599 Speaker 5: about MAPU getting zero defensive snaps? 1743 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 4: I just like. 1744 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,200 Speaker 3: The same story. I mean, look, I I will to 1745 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:23,080 Speaker 3: give Jelani Tevai and Anthony Jennings some credit that I 1746 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,400 Speaker 3: think they've both played that j good in that game. 1747 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,280 Speaker 3: Jeliva is on like a heater, like playing well for 1748 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 3: like the last two or three games. He was like 1749 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,400 Speaker 3: one of the few bright spots in Dallas, and he's look, 1750 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, their pass Russ stinks without Judon, like it's 1751 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,360 Speaker 3: it's literally non existent. But in terms of the run defense, 1752 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,960 Speaker 3: the reason why the run defense hasn't completely tailed off 1753 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,840 Speaker 3: without Judon is is because of those two guys, to 1754 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,360 Speaker 3: Vay and Jennings. So I give to Via some credit. 1755 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,559 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with MAPU. I think 1756 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,000 Speaker 3: they wanted to give Jalen Mills some snaps because he's 1757 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,200 Speaker 3: sounded off on Twitter about it, so he. 1758 01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 4: Gave up a bunch of catches. 1759 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, eric'son New jer Hey, Eric, Hey, how you doing. 1760 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,760 Speaker 17: Fred have two questions I asked, I asked deuced and 1761 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,479 Speaker 17: Freddy this, uh, this question only for the Pregameshow the 1762 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 17: other day but what do you at first, Tamara, Evan 1763 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,679 Speaker 17: and Freddy kind of won't know your thoughts about using 1764 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,679 Speaker 17: Marcus Jones, using Markus Jones on the offensive side again, 1765 01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,760 Speaker 17: he's going to getting about twelve fifteen snaps. 1766 01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,599 Speaker 3: On when he heard Marcus Jones is on injured reserve, 1767 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 3: he's hurt. 1768 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 17: No, I know I'm saying when when I'm saying when 1769 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:27,080 Speaker 17: he comes back. 1770 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,360 Speaker 4: He's not coming back. He's got a toWin lady, not 1771 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:29,760 Speaker 4: coming back. 1772 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,920 Speaker 17: But okay for next season or you know this off 1773 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,839 Speaker 17: season program using him on the offensive side just forgiven 1774 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:35,880 Speaker 17: to Well, let's let's. 1775 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:36,639 Speaker 1: Say he wasn't hurt. 1776 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:37,760 Speaker 4: Let's hope they don't need to. 1777 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Then I would I would use anything I have. 1778 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,040 Speaker 4: He would I would he I would absolutely want to 1779 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,719 Speaker 4: use him on offense if he was healthy. 1780 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,559 Speaker 3: I think they would have. 1781 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 4: But next year I would hope that they don't have 1782 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,120 Speaker 4: to be in the same situation. 1783 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they used him on offense. It was 1784 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,559 Speaker 3: only one snap, but in the like right out of 1785 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,559 Speaker 3: the game, in the Philly games. 1786 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,639 Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be opposed to just saying he's. 1787 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,400 Speaker 1: He was if he was healthy, trust me. 1788 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,960 Speaker 18: Yeah, but thanks very in the middle oh, I'm sorry, 1789 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 18: Alex Charlotte, Alex, Yeah, it's not in a good place. 1790 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:10,360 Speaker 4: Question. 1791 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,560 Speaker 19: So I never go into probably a whole rebuild in 1792 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,960 Speaker 19: the off season. I wonder you guys think there's any 1793 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,160 Speaker 19: value in the crafty and moving Bill into the Ernie 1794 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,120 Speaker 19: Adams role and promote j Mayo's head coach, and so 1795 01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:21,559 Speaker 19: I guess. 1796 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,880 Speaker 4: Listen, do you think there's any value in that? 1797 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,559 Speaker 1: If they really like Gerard Mayo? If I love If 1798 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,320 Speaker 1: they really like Gerard Mayo, I see value in making 1799 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,160 Speaker 1: him head coach. If Bill would agree to just be 1800 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,679 Speaker 1: an advisor, I see value in that. But I don't 1801 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,519 Speaker 1: see value paying him, you know, the highest head coach 1802 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,000 Speaker 1: salary in the league, just to do that. 1803 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 4: I would hate him absolutely everything about that. 1804 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,160 Speaker 9: I wouldn't want Bill Belichick looming. 1805 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,560 Speaker 4: Over That's why I hate it. 1806 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,439 Speaker 1: I you know, I said it before Bill left the 1807 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,760 Speaker 1: Jets before for that was one of the reasons he 1808 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,200 Speaker 1: didn't want Parcels looming over him. 1809 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,280 Speaker 5: You know, when it's time for a new program, it's 1810 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 5: time for a new program. I mean, I think I'm 1811 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,920 Speaker 5: willing to make some allotments for Jirodmeyo because I like them. 1812 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:05,960 Speaker 5: But I don't know if I want him to be 1813 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,760 Speaker 5: the head coach here. If there was a way to 1814 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,840 Speaker 5: get him to defensive coordinator, I think I would probably 1815 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,000 Speaker 5: consider that. I think that's a hard move to make, though, 1816 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,200 Speaker 5: but I think, what if it happens, it's got to be. 1817 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if like a defensive coordinator associate head 1818 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,719 Speaker 3: coach title for him with. 1819 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,920 Speaker 4: It's just hard with any coach with that hanging over 1820 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:24,920 Speaker 4: you too, though, But I. 1821 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,960 Speaker 3: Think that the one thing is though, is like in Miami, 1822 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 3: tried this with the ex patriotsism Josh Boyer and it 1823 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,720 Speaker 3: failed and they moved on to Vic Fangio. But like defensively, 1824 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,840 Speaker 3: like they have a great system. Like, So I don't 1825 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 3: know if I necessarily mind keeping girod. Mayo as the 1826 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,759 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to keep the roots of the Belichick defensive 1827 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,360 Speaker 3: system in place. It's almost, you know, you don't need 1828 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,240 Speaker 3: to necessarily start over on that side of the ball. 1829 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,320 Speaker 3: So I wouldn't mind that at all if Mayo was 1830 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,240 Speaker 3: still here in some capacity to keep the defense pretty 1831 01:18:58,439 --> 01:18:59,120 Speaker 3: much the same. 1832 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, Tamara and Paul's food is here, 1833 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:03,799 Speaker 1: so we're going to take a break. 1834 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,320 Speaker 4: That's me and we'll be right back. 1835 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,599 Speaker 7: Get in on the action with DraftKings, the official daily 1836 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 7: fantasy partner of the New England Patriots. 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Now there's a flag, a flag at 1857 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,240 Speaker 10: the line. 1858 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:18,800 Speaker 21: Of Strummage's personal foul leverage over ninety six. 1859 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,680 Speaker 10: Oh stupid Roy, how a matter first down? 1860 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 6: Can't be any dumber here in. 1861 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:29,639 Speaker 10: San second year defensive lineman employed the field goal block 1862 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:35,519 Speaker 10: can leverage a critical penalty of Patriots special teams. 1863 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,320 Speaker 21: You the only way you could be dumber signed Jamie 1864 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,280 Speaker 21: Collins back and have him run and jump. 1865 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,920 Speaker 6: They changed the rule for that. 1866 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,560 Speaker 10: Stevens in the single set back and people in the 1867 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,600 Speaker 10: first play, the Patriots are going backwards to move a 1868 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,599 Speaker 10: flag out of England. 1869 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:56,360 Speaker 21: We'll start hopfense number fifty nine by yard penalty. 1870 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,040 Speaker 6: Verse, Oh aren't you a beach? 1871 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,760 Speaker 10: Oh my god, Harriet Lye the right jackle god. So 1872 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,000 Speaker 10: the offense starts down three nothing now with a firstman 1873 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,160 Speaker 10: fifteen and hand out attended to play fake about a 1874 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,160 Speaker 10: droll underneath and there's nobody there too offense, Well, hunter 1875 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,480 Speaker 10: Henry was there three another flag? Were that play disrupted? 1876 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,160 Speaker 10: So mac Jones with a fake to Stevenson trying to 1877 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 10: toss it to Henry at the line might get the 1878 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,040 Speaker 10: fight here, do it, crowd? 1879 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:21,120 Speaker 6: They could make it the five. 1880 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,320 Speaker 10: They did grab them, tried to grab. 1881 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:28,080 Speaker 1: It an elvile man downfield offense number seventy seven, a 1882 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,719 Speaker 1: penally have declined second down two for two today. 1883 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,759 Speaker 10: That's a way to start a football game. Mac Jones 1884 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,080 Speaker 10: screens a right fire shot all to mean he bibbles 1885 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,759 Speaker 10: handed in almost apparently on the deflection, got by Marcus Peters. 1886 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,040 Speaker 10: So Matt Jones tossing it on the right flap for Stevenson. 1887 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:51,280 Speaker 21: He basically caught it, hooked up, tilt, shuggled it and 1888 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,760 Speaker 21: almost handed it to Marcus Peter. 1889 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,839 Speaker 10: He snabbed it back high high right footed bunt sales 1890 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,280 Speaker 10: left right high to the far side of the field, 1891 01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,400 Speaker 10: and it will come down along that farest sideline to 1892 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,600 Speaker 10: be marked. Do you kicking him outside the surety outside 1893 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,719 Speaker 10: the thirty five almost of a foe hard line. 1894 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:15,519 Speaker 6: You gotta be kidneyed. 1895 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 10: Jack unstaf two goes on to a format rutch a 1896 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,160 Speaker 10: lot of time across the middle taking it down for Jacobs, 1897 01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,400 Speaker 10: running way past the forty. He gets to the forty 1898 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:29,080 Speaker 10: five and then bear hugging. Oh no, Jelani Levan and 1899 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,519 Speaker 10: I'm glad he'll come in or a likely fifteen yard 1900 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,120 Speaker 10: penalty I am I'm stunning. 1901 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,080 Speaker 6: You know you stop him. The progress is stopped. 1902 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:41,839 Speaker 10: We're at the point. 1903 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,559 Speaker 6: Down in national football in twenty twenty four. 1904 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,600 Speaker 10: You can't pick any player up and slam him and 1905 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,120 Speaker 10: play personal. 1906 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,680 Speaker 6: Foul, unnecessary roughness. 1907 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,719 Speaker 1: Defense number forty eight, fifteen yard penalty automatic first. 1908 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400 Speaker 10: Now that's a good call to Bay. Cannot pick the 1909 01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,479 Speaker 10: player up and try to slam him on his head. 1910 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,000 Speaker 10: He had to do it. Progress was stopped. They were 1911 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 10: coming in from the side. 1912 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:04,680 Speaker 6: You can see it right here. 1913 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,080 Speaker 21: Leverage is there, Jonathan Jones there and then boom right 1914 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,679 Speaker 21: than he get hurt his shoulder. 1915 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,719 Speaker 10: Jacobs left the Garoppolo takes the stats and White slapped 1916 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,200 Speaker 10: got it. It is Peppers and Caro Woo to bye. 1917 01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,160 Speaker 10: He got a step and a pluckh off that big 1918 01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,879 Speaker 10: hit by Peppers and the Patriots finally with another takeaway. 1919 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,840 Speaker 10: Then third other season. 1920 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,360 Speaker 6: Signs Peppers brings it every week. 1921 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,640 Speaker 21: Want to stick by him to pop his ball up 1922 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,479 Speaker 21: and the defense belts himself out. 1923 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,240 Speaker 6: That's a hell to play by Peppers. 1924 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,080 Speaker 10: The snap to Jones standing in pressure, he goes down 1925 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,240 Speaker 10: at the spire a lad loop on the pass rush 1926 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,400 Speaker 10: and Adam Butler another ex Patriot. Thanks. They hit on 1927 01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:47,880 Speaker 10: the sap. 1928 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,759 Speaker 6: I don't think we can block. 1929 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 10: The air right Seriously, he can't hit on a simple 1930 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,439 Speaker 10: loop to him, got a root head. You face the defense. 1931 01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,360 Speaker 6: It brings next level pressure, meeting backers or poor sea pies. 1932 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 10: You need your ass kids. Jimmy takes the snap, stands 1933 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,040 Speaker 10: at plenty of time. 1934 01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,000 Speaker 3: The rowns to the end zone. 1935 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,800 Speaker 10: Car touchdown under the gold post and Jacoby. 1936 01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 6: Meyer, what a dark what a thought from Colopolo hangs in. 1937 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,080 Speaker 21: There's Smith's wing off the back foot and it's Myers 1938 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,400 Speaker 21: and he opened into the back middle. I sure offense 1939 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,920 Speaker 21: champ a yard. Jimmy go Ahold takes him right down 1940 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 21: and want to throw wide the open pun called for 1941 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,000 Speaker 21: the back underneath the gold post. 1942 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,720 Speaker 6: Wide open that guy. 1943 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,479 Speaker 10: Snap to Jones, what's coming? Throws it right flat Forpelly 1944 01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,040 Speaker 10: and running to match the thirty eight thirty five foot car. 1945 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,479 Speaker 10: The femy put the race to the party. I'm flying 1946 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,920 Speaker 10: on the plays. He's changed from behind off. He runs 1947 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,320 Speaker 10: away from his backler. He leaps into the end zo. 1948 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,920 Speaker 10: He lands with an apparent touchdown for the Patriots. 1949 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,240 Speaker 6: It's coming back and they running ahead and he hit something. 1950 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,600 Speaker 10: And back I think every official was too good to 1951 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,360 Speaker 10: be tr a side of the pail on his mp kids. Yeah, 1952 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,760 Speaker 10: right at Hunter Henry's feet. There are two orange or 1953 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,160 Speaker 10: yellow markers all on the turf e racing. We would 1954 01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,040 Speaker 10: have been the Patriots first touchdown since the second quarter. 1955 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,439 Speaker 10: Left hand held the. 1956 01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:18,360 Speaker 5: Week three holding off round number eighty five, kingyard Genalley. 1957 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,760 Speaker 6: It's a good call. Can't get out of my own play. 1958 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,680 Speaker 10: Hey boy, what a purse by Zeke too, What a 1959 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,720 Speaker 10: what a fuss would ruling then absolutely ruled that. 1960 01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,240 Speaker 6: I don't think he really need to hit there. That's 1961 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,200 Speaker 6: the second part of these calls and some. 1962 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,559 Speaker 10: Of these decisions and these errors that the players are make. 1963 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,160 Speaker 6: Just wall him off, just get foot lem seek this colling. 1964 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,559 Speaker 10: And there's an instance too where Jones, to his credit, 1965 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,200 Speaker 10: with the blitz coming from that side. 1966 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,479 Speaker 21: Of the roosts, could throw as a great berth by 1967 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:47,080 Speaker 21: Zeke Man. 1968 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,519 Speaker 10: He looks right with a pump, he rolls right, shakes, 1969 01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:52,920 Speaker 10: you can yablop closing. 1970 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,760 Speaker 21: It throw down now ten running it back left side, 1971 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,040 Speaker 21: two thirty down. 1972 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 10: I'd hit from behind and brought down a twenty five 1973 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:07,519 Speaker 10: year line. But rose Vegans tray harrily, no, no, no, 1974 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,759 Speaker 10: I'm notver thrown rolling why passing it back and crossed 1975 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,519 Speaker 10: his mind? A giveaway by the Padrians in striking distance 1976 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,720 Speaker 10: and with three point thirty six to go. It's a 1977 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,560 Speaker 10: ten to three league here in the second we're in 1978 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,040 Speaker 10: the pistol. Can now only ut right out of the pistol. 1979 01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,880 Speaker 10: He's in for Jones. Cunningham is going to split to 1980 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,400 Speaker 10: the left. It's the wildcat with Elliott waiting on the snap. 1981 01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,599 Speaker 10: He takes it because he runs it through the left side, 1982 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:38,960 Speaker 10: fighting into the into touchdown. Patrians fight away. 1983 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,280 Speaker 6: Just get the ball to fifteen. 1984 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,120 Speaker 10: He'll find a way to get it in. He came 1985 01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,760 Speaker 10: to play today, Bill and see Kelliot right back with 1986 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,160 Speaker 10: the play bak ala. He's in trouble that Jones is 1987 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,720 Speaker 10: twisted to the term sat back in the twenty yard 1988 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,719 Speaker 10: line and the credit goes to John Jenkins, the thirty 1989 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,960 Speaker 10: four year old out of Georgia and is eleventh NFL season. 1990 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,679 Speaker 21: In decisive didn't look like he one of the throw 1991 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 21: initially tried to have an options a bust and played 1992 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,320 Speaker 21: between he and z lost of four the starter drive killing. 1993 01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:07,880 Speaker 4: Itself man. 1994 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,640 Speaker 10: Cunningham in a quarterback. He's in trouble going back and 1995 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:19,080 Speaker 10: surrounded and dropped by Crosby and the Raiders. This is 1996 01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,799 Speaker 10: this is how this function Jones came off. Cunningham of course, 1997 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,679 Speaker 10: just side with the fifty three man roster. The Patriots 1998 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,719 Speaker 10: looking for a spark and another negative play. 1999 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,280 Speaker 4: In lois by this high school. 2000 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,520 Speaker 6: This is like rotating quarterbacks. 2001 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,639 Speaker 21: One sends a play in, one goes, You're putting pressure 2002 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,400 Speaker 21: on this kid like you's backing hair of throat if 2003 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,000 Speaker 21: you're gonna throw it. 2004 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:39,720 Speaker 5: Drop back. 2005 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,240 Speaker 10: Stevens in the back of takes the head of buttons 2006 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,280 Speaker 10: at left. He's end of the dive, touchdown Patriots. Bray 2007 01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:53,240 Speaker 10: Stevenson back Covid Las Vegas and the Patriots back within 2008 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:58,280 Speaker 10: a single score. Beny coming in a hurry, throw to 2009 01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:58,840 Speaker 10: the left and. 2010 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,000 Speaker 6: At ten your cray a shirt. 2011 01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,519 Speaker 10: Tuck J C. Jackson making a call for the pass 2012 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,439 Speaker 10: interference if not a hole trade talkers to receive us 2013 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 10: of the appearance. 2014 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,920 Speaker 6: Defense number thirty three Poly was placed with. 2015 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:17,240 Speaker 10: The spot and automatic erst Thow, Brett Rodgers identified and 2016 01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,400 Speaker 10: pretty Jennings. I think as got the light. 2017 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,200 Speaker 6: This ball get air mill before the cut. Is this 2018 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,040 Speaker 6: even close? 2019 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,280 Speaker 10: They look up Bill from their four yard line. Three 2020 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,759 Speaker 10: into the ride in gloding kasiki inside and board throwing 2021 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 10: on the outside market of the love. Jones is in 2022 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,240 Speaker 10: the pen zone. He'll be inside by Crosby. He grew 2023 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,439 Speaker 10: him from the left side of the defense and up 2024 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,240 Speaker 10: the middle of below. Mickels collaborates for the Raiders. 2025 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:52,840 Speaker 21: It's a safety, pure offense ineptitude, and it started with 2026 01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,760 Speaker 21: the first play of the drive. Blue angle routed up 2027 01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,639 Speaker 21: back to get you four yards and then you hurry 2028 01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,200 Speaker 21: up call run which is located because you had a 2029 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,760 Speaker 21: holy call on a panic call. It's a two minut 2030 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 21: a warning who's approaching and didn't go backwards. 2031 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,800 Speaker 6: You have to lay a game. You got a hell 2032 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,799 Speaker 6: of a throat of Parker. He has a dropped. 2033 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:18,880 Speaker 21: It's a multitude of airs all across the board, fly quarterback, receivers, backs, 2034 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,000 Speaker 21: coaching period. 2035 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,080 Speaker 6: I'm done. 2036 01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,960 Speaker 10: The Raiders for the first time this season, six weeks 2037 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,639 Speaker 10: in a clutch twenty points. They do it with a safety. 2038 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,000 Speaker 10: Carlson went for field goals. The Pagers remember with an 2039 01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:40,840 Speaker 10: early interception driving deep into Las Vegas territory, unabled the 2040 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,240 Speaker 10: mount of comback in the player one more time to 2041 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,960 Speaker 10: the knee and then He slaps hands with Jabrill Peppers 2042 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,559 Speaker 10: and the Raiders have improved to five hundred. These two 2043 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:57,560 Speaker 10: teams intersecting against similar paths to get here, Struggling offenses, 2044 01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:02,320 Speaker 10: turnover playing offenses, and as much of a slog as 2045 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,720 Speaker 10: it is. Again, the waiters are at the break even point, 2046 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,240 Speaker 10: three up and three down. All the Patriots have plumber 2047 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,040 Speaker 10: to one hand and five with Miami on the horizon. 2048 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,840 Speaker 21: Same questions are gonna continue, What changes are gonna make, 2049 01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,680 Speaker 21: What division's gonna be within that lock row? 2050 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,320 Speaker 6: Defense? 2051 01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,000 Speaker 10: Hanging in there? 2052 01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:20,519 Speaker 6: Offense can't movie. 2053 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,880 Speaker 10: The guy that gets the biggest extension in the offseason has. 2054 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,760 Speaker 6: The drop drop right there at the end of the 2055 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,880 Speaker 6: game to give you no chance. 2056 01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Rich Stone, the official tire of the New England Patriots, 2057 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,040 Speaker 1: is proud partner with Sullivan Tied, New England's headquarters for 2058 01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,000 Speaker 1: quality bridgetone tires. Visit sullivantire dot com to find a 2059 01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:46,439 Speaker 1: location near you. All right back, Fred's finished with his lunch, 2060 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:51,840 Speaker 1: So Deuce Tamara, Yeah, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and the booth. 2061 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,599 Speaker 1: Matt's hurting though always hurting. Why he's got a broken tooth? 2062 01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,960 Speaker 1: He is hurt broken tooth met. How do you break 2063 01:30:59,000 --> 01:30:59,320 Speaker 1: your tooth? 2064 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:00,519 Speaker 4: Jaw breaker? 2065 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:05,439 Speaker 1: Oh my god, he is like Pale. I told him 2066 01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,800 Speaker 1: go to the urgent. Cameral gets you know, Chris Rara 2067 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:09,719 Speaker 1: down here, and he's. 2068 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:10,599 Speaker 4: Like going to cover the show. 2069 01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:10,880 Speaker 6: Torow. 2070 01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,320 Speaker 4: I thought you meant Chris Fra to fix it. 2071 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,839 Speaker 3: He's too tough to shine. 2072 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,080 Speaker 1: At least I got him to smile. 2073 01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,120 Speaker 4: You got a Dennis appointment on the books or something 2074 01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,280 Speaker 4: like tomorrow, all right after. 2075 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,000 Speaker 3: I respect the hustle. Matt. You know, nothing stops this train. 2076 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:31,720 Speaker 4: You were sick last week? 2077 01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Eight five five pasts five hundred. Is the ace taken hotline? 2078 01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,559 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phones. Emerys in Kansas. What's up? Emory? 2079 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,200 Speaker 15: Hey, how are you doing that? Thank you? Thank you 2080 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,439 Speaker 15: for the opportunity of course. 2081 01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:45,880 Speaker 10: What what? 2082 01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:46,640 Speaker 12: What? 2083 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,800 Speaker 15: What is your response in regards to playing the young 2084 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,759 Speaker 15: folks Bunton, Douglas and Boute with Born instead of barking 2085 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,960 Speaker 15: juju for the remainder of the season, they were just. 2086 01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,960 Speaker 3: Talking about it and just literally said before we came, 2087 01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,160 Speaker 3: I cannot, for the life of me understand how you 2088 01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,040 Speaker 3: do anything else besides play the young guys at receiver 2089 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,120 Speaker 3: and hope that it works, especially given the fact that 2090 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,280 Speaker 3: your two most explosive guys all year long have been 2091 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,479 Speaker 3: Pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourne. So I like, what, what's 2092 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,720 Speaker 3: I I have no more time for Devonte Parker and 2093 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:19,760 Speaker 3: Jiju on this team. 2094 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 4: None. 2095 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 3: I don't understand why they keep playing DeVante Parker. He's 2096 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,000 Speaker 3: done nothing all year. He did he had what thirty 2097 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,680 Speaker 3: one catches last year. It's not like he did did 2098 01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,920 Speaker 3: anything great last year either. I think his efforts stinks. 2099 01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,040 Speaker 3: I think his attitude stinks. I would get him off. 2100 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,760 Speaker 4: I'm with the guys. I'm with you. I would go 2101 01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,439 Speaker 4: Douglas with born In uh In. 2102 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,920 Speaker 3: I mean like I should like Taekwon is not much 2103 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,160 Speaker 3: like Taekwon is not much better. 2104 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:51,400 Speaker 4: But here's what I can't have happened. I can't be 2105 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,439 Speaker 4: on this show in March with people saying, well, he 2106 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,240 Speaker 4: was hurt the first two years, I didn't get a 2107 01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,519 Speaker 4: chance to see. I need to definitively know in March. 2108 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the first the third third down of the game, 2109 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,760 Speaker 3: I think Mac was sacked right, and they're running like 2110 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,640 Speaker 3: a vertical on the sideline, and and Kendrick Bourne is 2111 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:14,040 Speaker 3: running an out from the slot and Taekwon mister four 2112 01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:18,719 Speaker 3: two eight, Like just takes four years off my life 2113 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,760 Speaker 3: running the damn route, like and he all he's gotta do. 2114 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,599 Speaker 3: He's got to clear out the sideline because the outside 2115 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,599 Speaker 3: corner is sitting on Kendrick Bourne's route and like his den, 2116 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:35,880 Speaker 3: he's got furiating, like run the damn route, dude, Like 2117 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,120 Speaker 3: you're you're you have four two eight speed. You are 2118 01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,040 Speaker 3: the fastest guy on the on the goddamn field. 2119 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,439 Speaker 5: And he's just do And I mean, what about the 2120 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,920 Speaker 5: Parker Parker where he was kind of like got to 2121 01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,560 Speaker 5: the top of it, had a glass of water and 2122 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:53,160 Speaker 5: then like turns. 2123 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,360 Speaker 4: So that was that was so bad that Romo got 2124 01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,960 Speaker 4: it live. Yeah, It's like I'm not sure what Parker 2125 01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,520 Speaker 4: did on this route. He just hesitates. 2126 01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just like the throw to Bourne, like Bouren 2127 01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,040 Speaker 3: runs the route well and gets open on the route, 2128 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,759 Speaker 3: but Mac has to hold the ball because the outside 2129 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,479 Speaker 3: corner is not respecting Taekwon's route. So he's just gonna 2130 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,559 Speaker 3: jump it. If he throws the out, he's just gonna 2131 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,120 Speaker 3: jump it. And the whole idea is to put Taekwon 2132 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,719 Speaker 3: in that spot to have him clear out the coverage, 2133 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,320 Speaker 3: like run down the field as fast as you can, 2134 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,960 Speaker 3: and like, because he knows he's not getting the ball, 2135 01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,360 Speaker 3: because he knows he's clearing out and he's not, he 2136 01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,800 Speaker 3: just kind of is jogging on the route and I'm 2137 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,080 Speaker 3: and it's just like these are the types of things 2138 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 3: that happen with this team routinely with their receivers. Just 2139 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,559 Speaker 3: their receivers do not run good routes. They don't run 2140 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,759 Speaker 3: the route hard if they're not first reading the progression. 2141 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,599 Speaker 3: They don't run detailed routes. Their routes are rounded off 2142 01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 3: at the top of the route all the time. And 2143 01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,760 Speaker 3: I just makes me want to explode, like Troy Brown, 2144 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,920 Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like what are you doing? Like 2145 01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:54,960 Speaker 3: how do you if you're Troy Brown? And I was 2146 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,200 Speaker 3: told I'll put Bill O'Brien in this too, Like I 2147 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,040 Speaker 3: was told that Bill O'Brien was gonna come in and 2148 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,160 Speaker 3: and not stand for the nonsense, right, Like, Okay, you 2149 01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,760 Speaker 3: don't want to run the route hard, you can go 2150 01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,519 Speaker 3: sit on the bench, like I that's what I thought. 2151 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,720 Speaker 3: We were told, you know, Teapot was coming in and 2152 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,080 Speaker 3: he was gonna gonna make sure that this stuff got 2153 01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:12,599 Speaker 3: cleaned up. 2154 01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:13,800 Speaker 4: And they broke pot. 2155 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:19,759 Speaker 3: They do it so often that their routes are just horrible, 2156 01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,960 Speaker 3: and then watching Kendrick Bourne actually run like eight or 2157 01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,040 Speaker 3: nine really good routes in this game was like it 2158 01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:27,840 Speaker 3: was like I had never seen it before. I was like, 2159 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:29,400 Speaker 3: oh my god, this is incredible. 2160 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,280 Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to look. All right, thanks, Emery, 2161 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:33,719 Speaker 1: I think. 2162 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,200 Speaker 4: But he's it was like he was listening to the 2163 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,080 Speaker 4: the portion when Fred was eating his lunch, because that's 2164 01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,160 Speaker 4: exactly what whatever. You didn't catch it the first time, 2165 01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,920 Speaker 4: so I had to repeat chicken fingers, But that's exactly 2166 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,680 Speaker 4: what Evan had literally just said, like they need to 2167 01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,840 Speaker 4: play Douglas and Thornton with Bourne, right and see just 2168 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:51,639 Speaker 4: see how it looks. 2169 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:56,519 Speaker 1: Patty's an agaa, what's up? Patty? Patty? 2170 01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:58,840 Speaker 6: Oh? 2171 01:35:59,280 --> 01:35:59,880 Speaker 10: Oh, who is it? 2172 01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:04,880 Speaker 1: Says Patty. 2173 01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:09,960 Speaker 4: But Todd, Wow, the only thing that broke it's the 2174 01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,400 Speaker 4: it's the hook, Matt Hurt. It's a sin. No, it's 2175 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:13,720 Speaker 4: a sin. 2176 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,080 Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? 2177 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,000 Speaker 15: My question is very simple. 2178 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,040 Speaker 22: Do you think that there's some way that we could 2179 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:26,439 Speaker 22: get somebody sorry I'm barbecuing, to actually come in with 2180 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,519 Speaker 22: Bill still here and redo the offense in a proper style, 2181 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,040 Speaker 22: like some young guy that's gonna say, Okay, this offense 2182 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,639 Speaker 22: is mind Bill, let's do it this way. You're still 2183 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,479 Speaker 22: the coach, you're still the GM, but let's just work 2184 01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,760 Speaker 22: together and get this done. Or does the whole thing 2185 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:40,920 Speaker 22: just have to be blown up? 2186 01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that's what they tried to do 2187 01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:43,719 Speaker 1: with O'Brien. 2188 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,120 Speaker 4: Let let me ask you this thanks to and I 2189 01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:48,760 Speaker 4: guess we won't ask him. 2190 01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,000 Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna just say it. 2191 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:56,200 Speaker 4: But if you are, like, let's just say Evan Lazare 2192 01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,400 Speaker 4: is the next hot shot offensive coordinator like Matt Joss. Okay, 2193 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,080 Speaker 4: hot shot, you want that. No, I'm gonna go in 2194 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,240 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go and have the The offense is yours. 2195 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:11,760 Speaker 4: Bill Belichick is the coach. Oh okay, all right, so. 2196 01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,840 Speaker 3: I can't spend more than twelve million dollars. 2197 01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,559 Speaker 4: But even if you but even if you were told 2198 01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,880 Speaker 4: you had free rein, it's still Bill Belichick's team, and 2199 01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,120 Speaker 4: you don't have free reign because if he doesn't like something, 2200 01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:27,519 Speaker 4: he's gonna change it. Because he's won six titles. He's 2201 01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,240 Speaker 4: the greatest coach who's ever done it. I just don't 2202 01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,240 Speaker 4: think it's a great place for a young up and 2203 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,240 Speaker 4: coming offensive mind to try to cut his teeth. 2204 01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 5: Maybe somewhere else, like you know, like if if Bill 2205 01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,920 Speaker 5: could come into another team where it isn't like all 2206 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,160 Speaker 5: because the system is all his too, you know, like 2207 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:45,360 Speaker 5: there's just so much. 2208 01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,560 Speaker 4: I talked about the last week. Well, but no, I 2209 01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,400 Speaker 4: mean I mean when I say system, I mean I 2210 01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,559 Speaker 4: know the whole program. I know every I know exactly 2211 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,560 Speaker 4: what you mean. And that's why I'm gonna know. 2212 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's more of a chance of him 2213 01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,719 Speaker 1: going to another place without full power are then staying 2214 01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,719 Speaker 1: here and have power taken away. 2215 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a non starter. I think it's 2216 01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,320 Speaker 5: a non starter for him. I think it's not in 2217 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,800 Speaker 5: the best interest of the team and moving forward. And 2218 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,920 Speaker 5: you know, when a team has to move forward, like 2219 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,800 Speaker 5: you just you have to put those things behind. It's 2220 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,320 Speaker 5: like people who are still sticky situations still talk to 2221 01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,360 Speaker 5: ex girlfriends or ex boyfriends, you know, And I'm like, no, 2222 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,479 Speaker 5: you can't talk to your exes like you have to. 2223 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:23,840 Speaker 4: It's a bad idea. 2224 01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,320 Speaker 3: I like that ball that seemed like that came from 2225 01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,639 Speaker 3: a like experience or something. 2226 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,400 Speaker 9: I'm I'm a heavy deep and delete. 2227 01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah existed, move on, Move on, but I thought we 2228 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,479 Speaker 1: could still be no. 2229 01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,240 Speaker 4: No, no, whatever. 2230 01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:46,560 Speaker 1: Interesting, It's fine, Jeffrey in Canada. I see five possible scenarios. 2231 01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,280 Speaker 1: I'd like to get each host vote which is most 2232 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:50,280 Speaker 1: likely and. 2233 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,599 Speaker 4: Which this is a todd question, and which. 2234 01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Would consider to be the best scenario. For context, Let's 2235 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,960 Speaker 1: say the team plays out the same. It goes four 2236 01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,479 Speaker 1: and thirteen, four and thirteen on the right, and the 2237 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:02,160 Speaker 1: fourth pick. 2238 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,320 Speaker 3: In the draft one like the fourth pick in the draft. 2239 01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,320 Speaker 4: Oh oh, they're all contingent on going four to thirteen 2240 01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:09,240 Speaker 4: With the fourth pick. 2241 01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:10,960 Speaker 3: They have the exactly the fourth pick in the draft. 2242 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:16,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so Bill is fired on October thirtieth. Bill is 2243 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,560 Speaker 1: fired last day of the season. Bill is stripped of 2244 01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:24,240 Speaker 1: his roster decisions, but remains coach two more. At some 2245 01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,519 Speaker 1: point between now and the season ends. An announcement that 2246 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,759 Speaker 1: Bill is retiring after the season could be the Brady 2247 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,000 Speaker 1: type retirement and five to nothing. Bill has full control 2248 01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,439 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and beyond. 2249 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,120 Speaker 4: Oh there's the one you're missing. I feel like the 2250 01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,760 Speaker 4: one that he coaches out the string and then a 2251 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,080 Speaker 4: few weeks after the season ends, it's mutually way that 2252 01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,720 Speaker 4: we're going to mutually part ways that the new pages 2253 01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:47,800 Speaker 4: can I say, like that's a variation of the Teddy 2254 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,080 Speaker 4: Bruski Like, that's why I hope happens. 2255 01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I There's no way. And I think 2256 01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,839 Speaker 3: Schefter said this, I think it was his opinion. 2257 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,280 Speaker 4: But Black Monday, Yeah, there's no way. 2258 01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,080 Speaker 3: Black Monday is happening to Bill Belichick. 2259 01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,920 Speaker 1: And none of us know what Bill's contract actually is. 2260 01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:03,799 Speaker 4: That's the problem. 2261 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:04,320 Speaker 10: We don't know. 2262 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,280 Speaker 1: For all we know, this is the last year it 2263 01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,760 Speaker 1: could have. We don't know, We have no idea. But 2264 01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,439 Speaker 1: let's assume that there's more years left. Right, So if 2265 01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:16,479 Speaker 1: Bill walks away slash retires, he's walking away from a 2266 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,880 Speaker 1: lot of money. So in order for him to do that, 2267 01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,479 Speaker 1: the crafts need to agree we're going to pay you 2268 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,719 Speaker 1: at least a portion of what you would be owed 2269 01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,760 Speaker 1: for the remainder of your car. That's the only way 2270 01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,920 Speaker 1: that it would happen. Well if if, And again we 2271 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,639 Speaker 1: don't even know how much is getting paid. But let's 2272 01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,760 Speaker 1: say it is twenty five million, because that's what your 2273 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:35,560 Speaker 1: show says it is. 2274 01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:36,439 Speaker 4: It's a round number. 2275 01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if he walks away and he has two, 2276 01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:41,519 Speaker 1: he's walking away from fifty million dollars if he has 2277 01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,080 Speaker 1: two years left, so he's gonna have to get some 2278 01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:45,559 Speaker 1: of that, so walk away. 2279 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,200 Speaker 4: So why would he do that right in the end, 2280 01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,880 Speaker 4: because it's he's miserable. No no, no, no exactly Like 2281 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,560 Speaker 4: but like when people would say, well, why would the 2282 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,840 Speaker 4: craft pay him so they don't have to have the 2283 01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 4: stain exactly, you fire the greatest coach has ever done. 2284 01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,560 Speaker 1: And plus I don't think that they want it to 2285 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 1: end on bad terms. 2286 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,920 Speaker 4: I think, well, it's going to be bad terms. It's 2287 01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,080 Speaker 4: hard to like you do that. It's still bad terms, 2288 01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,559 Speaker 4: but at least publicly, it doesn't look as bad as 2289 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,280 Speaker 4: it might. No, either both ways and by the way, 2290 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,040 Speaker 4: both ways, and it. 2291 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,240 Speaker 1: Wouldn't be as bad as terms if you just fired him. 2292 01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,599 Speaker 1: I like, at least this way, like listen, we're gonna 2293 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:28,040 Speaker 1: pay you, but we both know, yeah, it's not working. 2294 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,080 Speaker 3: I think retirement feels like the easiest way to make it, 2295 01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:36,000 Speaker 3: at least publicly, so that it's not ugly because you can't. 2296 01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,360 Speaker 3: They're they're either going to part ways or he's going 2297 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,040 Speaker 3: to retire. They're not going to be like we were 2298 01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,120 Speaker 3: relieved Bill Belichick if his coaching duties like other teams 2299 01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:43,479 Speaker 3: do on. 2300 01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:46,640 Speaker 4: Black Monday or whatever. Yeah, I mean I don't know 2301 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,760 Speaker 4: about that. It won't be on Black Monday. I think 2302 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,320 Speaker 4: I agree with you guys on that. But did you 2303 01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,559 Speaker 4: you guys were in Vegas, did you catch the Teddy Bruski? Yes, 2304 01:41:53,720 --> 01:42:00,680 Speaker 4: a little bit impassioned. I thought that was telling. That 2305 01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,479 Speaker 4: was really tough. Guys like Edelman Kruski. 2306 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,360 Speaker 5: I mean, those guys come, I don't say coming out 2307 01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,240 Speaker 5: of the woodwork. There, they've been out front center. 2308 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:12,000 Speaker 1: But Gronk, Philippe and Rio de Janeiro in Defensive Bill. 2309 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,639 Speaker 1: He says Bill should not be fired after the season. 2310 01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,320 Speaker 1: While the last three seasons were underwhelming for the twenty 2311 01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,599 Speaker 1: year long standard in place, they were just average under 2312 01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,560 Speaker 1: NFL standards. This is the first really bad season of 2313 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,439 Speaker 1: the Patriots, and Bill earned enough credit to survive it. 2314 01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,240 Speaker 1: In my opinion, we have a solid, although not great 2315 01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:33,639 Speaker 1: defense after major departners high Tower, mccordy, Gilmore, Harmon, et cetera, Harmon, 2316 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,439 Speaker 1: and there are solid receivers to believe that high enough kick, 2317 01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,320 Speaker 1: high enough picks, and plenty of cap space suffice to 2318 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,040 Speaker 1: fix the office. Sam on a big picture note, how 2319 01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,200 Speaker 1: the organization and its manager management would look after cutting 2320 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,040 Speaker 1: ties with both Brady and Bill. If Bill goes elsewhere, 2321 01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,120 Speaker 1: charges Cowboys and wins another Super Bowl. We should not 2322 01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,080 Speaker 1: take this decision lightly, and the little eulogies that have 2323 01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:59,120 Speaker 1: been prefacing the calls for Bill's jobs seem like mere 2324 01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,760 Speaker 1: lip service. I was a first minute critic of the 2325 01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,600 Speaker 1: Juju Jacobe swap, and I do not and I do 2326 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:09,200 Speaker 1: agree with most of the criticism of relation to personnel decisions. However, 2327 01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,080 Speaker 1: just as it was the case with Brady, I do 2328 01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,640 Speaker 1: not see an option out there that is a surefire 2329 01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,080 Speaker 1: fix to fix our current problem. 2330 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,920 Speaker 3: Who's is who? What was the emailer's name, Felip Philip, 2331 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,759 Speaker 3: So I at least appreciate that, like somebody is arguing 2332 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,760 Speaker 3: the other side, like more lately on. 2333 01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,439 Speaker 4: The s PFWS two, which I was a little surprised 2334 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:30,559 Speaker 4: at go ahead of saying. 2335 01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,240 Speaker 3: Well because that was that was like a good way 2336 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,080 Speaker 3: to lay out the other side. I felt like it 2337 01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,080 Speaker 3: was a good email like that, and that doesn't I 2338 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:36,600 Speaker 3: don't say that. 2339 01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:39,880 Speaker 4: You almost never knew, which is why I apologize for 2340 01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:40,800 Speaker 4: interrupting your flow. 2341 01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,639 Speaker 3: I just uh, I had you know, there's been such 2342 01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:50,240 Speaker 3: a strong myself included like anti Belichick rhetoric right now, 2343 01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,519 Speaker 3: and it's refreshing to hear like the other side of it. 2344 01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,760 Speaker 3: I don't agree, but I I it's at least nice 2345 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:55,679 Speaker 3: to hear the other side. 2346 01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,000 Speaker 5: My counter would just be that there's been too many 2347 01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,720 Speaker 5: threads coming to this season that have connected back to 2348 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,280 Speaker 5: previous seasons and it's not that this is a standalone 2349 01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,160 Speaker 5: and oh my, and all these problems just popped up, Like, 2350 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,639 Speaker 5: I don't think this season is very much removed from 2351 01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,880 Speaker 5: last year's the disaster season, other than. 2352 01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,720 Speaker 4: You know, a couple of little minor tweaks. And I 2353 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,400 Speaker 4: would just say, if you were watching the games every 2354 01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:21,439 Speaker 4: week and honestly evaluating what you've seen all four years, 2355 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:26,439 Speaker 4: three years plus six games, yeah the record is better 2356 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,840 Speaker 4: than the team, and the record's not good. Yeah they're 2357 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,080 Speaker 4: closer to worse than that than better than that. And 2358 01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,400 Speaker 4: I know that you can confuse yourself and convince yourself 2359 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,640 Speaker 4: that when they were down twenty two to nothing to 2360 01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,439 Speaker 4: the Bengals, they really wasn't that bad of a loss 2361 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,880 Speaker 4: because they had a chance, they had a chance to 2362 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,160 Speaker 4: steal some games they had no business being in to 2363 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,040 Speaker 4: nothing to do with coaching, because the game plan of 2364 01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,320 Speaker 4: the week got you in that hole to begin with, 2365 01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:59,160 Speaker 4: and you circumstantially snuck into a couple of games here 2366 01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:03,920 Speaker 4: and there. This is the sobering thought. So it's twenty twenty, 2367 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:10,240 Speaker 4: twenty one, twenty two, and now twenty three, you're seven 2368 01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:15,040 Speaker 4: and oh against the New York Jets. Give me the 2369 01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,719 Speaker 4: record against everybody else, he can beat the Jets. 2370 01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, along those lines, Zach Wilson. 2371 01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,000 Speaker 5: Not to keep the Belichick turning going, but you know 2372 01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,479 Speaker 5: the nine more losses for the most losses all time, 2373 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:31,519 Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, he's nine losses away right now. 2374 01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think that that's okay, that's a point 2375 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,840 Speaker 4: in his face. No, that's fine. The best coaches of 2376 01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,240 Speaker 4: all time are in the top ten. 2377 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,240 Speaker 5: Y and not the reason I brought up to be 2378 01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,160 Speaker 5: like he sings. But do you think it's possible that 2379 01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:43,719 Speaker 5: it happens. 2380 01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,120 Speaker 4: He's gonna get He's going to get the loss record 2381 01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,080 Speaker 4: before he gets the wins record, that's right. But do 2382 01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:49,599 Speaker 4: you think he gets it this year against the Jets? 2383 01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,479 Speaker 1: You know who he's just passed, and the losses record. 2384 01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:57,080 Speaker 5: I know he's looking up at Dan Raean Reeves, right, No, yeah, 2385 01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,120 Speaker 5: I mean it's a lunchey that is number one on 2386 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,719 Speaker 5: the list. I didn't want it to bring it on negative, 2387 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,760 Speaker 5: but I just thought, but it's Dan Reeves, like Jeff 2388 01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:05,519 Speaker 5: Fisher above him. 2389 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jeff Fisher total Jeff Jeff Fisher's an outlier 2390 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:10,639 Speaker 4: because he's not a great coach. 2391 01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:12,200 Speaker 10: But then you have like Andy. 2392 01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,519 Speaker 1: Reid Landry behind it all. 2393 01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, well, right now he's only behind Landry and 2394 01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,479 Speaker 5: the total amount of wins, and then in in just 2395 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,240 Speaker 5: regular season he's behind. So Dan Reeves is one ninety 2396 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,320 Speaker 5: one sixty five and two shout out Aeron. Jeff Fisher's 2397 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,680 Speaker 5: won seventy three, one sixty five and one. Belichicks two 2398 01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,599 Speaker 5: ninety nine, and so he's got over one hundred more 2399 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,680 Speaker 5: wins than those guys, right, And that's why. 2400 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,320 Speaker 4: But the point of bringing it. 2401 01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:37,320 Speaker 5: Up is, is it possible that he loses to the 2402 01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,200 Speaker 5: Jets here in the season finale and that's when he 2403 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,040 Speaker 5: gets it, like he needs nine more, so he'd have 2404 01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:43,599 Speaker 5: to finish three and fourteen this year. 2405 01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,240 Speaker 4: I don't see three wins, Mike. I'm just you got 2406 01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,040 Speaker 4: three more wins. You got to guess you gotta get 2407 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:49,439 Speaker 4: three more. 2408 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:50,640 Speaker 1: I still see you. 2409 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,360 Speaker 4: I still see. Yeah, because I still see Washington, Indy. 2410 01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:54,559 Speaker 4: They'll win one of those. 2411 01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,080 Speaker 3: I think Washington's better than you think. 2412 01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:57,599 Speaker 4: No, I think they'll win one of them. I didn't 2413 01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,759 Speaker 4: say both. I'm not one of these knuckleheads that looking 2414 01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,200 Speaker 4: at the soft part of the schedule. I think they'll 2415 01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:04,000 Speaker 4: split some of these. 2416 01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:07,560 Speaker 1: We are other team soft part of the schedule. Unfortunately, 2417 01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,360 Speaker 1: I hate saying that, but it's the truth. 2418 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,439 Speaker 5: I just I'm really looking at that last Jets game 2419 01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,400 Speaker 5: right now though, and just wondering what's it going to 2420 01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:14,200 Speaker 5: mean for the Jets. 2421 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,160 Speaker 4: What's it going to mean for It's possible that the 2422 01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,000 Speaker 4: Jets could be knocking on the door for a plenty 2423 01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,120 Speaker 4: b Aaron Rodgers and he comes back, who evident he's 2424 01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:24,280 Speaker 4: just decided I didn't really turn my achilles. I'm coming back. 2425 01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,360 Speaker 3: But to do his point like about the this is 2426 01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:31,679 Speaker 3: not like a one season one off with this team 2427 01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:36,080 Speaker 3: has like slowly gone like this like and it might 2428 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:38,720 Speaker 3: you know, he was able to hold on to it. 2429 01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,960 Speaker 4: Convince yourself they went ten and seven and twenty one 2430 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,280 Speaker 4: because they were a ten win team. Yeah, but then 2431 01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:45,519 Speaker 4: when you watch and you really break down the games 2432 01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,639 Speaker 4: that they want people are doing it now and they're 2433 01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:51,080 Speaker 4: looking back and they're saying they're like three and eleven, 2434 01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,439 Speaker 4: they last fourteen something like that, and all three wins 2435 01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,800 Speaker 4: were against the back of quarterbacks. Yeah, but they didn't 2436 01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,160 Speaker 4: do it in twenty one because they won ten games 2437 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,439 Speaker 4: with a rookie quarterback. They did it the same way. 2438 01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,320 Speaker 1: Not in Santa Cruz. I feel for Bill. I know 2439 01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:08,120 Speaker 1: he's made a mess of the team as a GM, 2440 01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,519 Speaker 1: and I don't excuse him for that. But Bill has 2441 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,519 Speaker 1: always said he wanted to leave the team better off 2442 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,120 Speaker 1: than when he came. The twenty twenty four Patriots have 2443 01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,360 Speaker 1: no chance to be better than the team he joined 2444 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,760 Speaker 1: way back when. I bet that's killing Bill. 2445 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:20,599 Speaker 3: I disagree. 2446 01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:24,160 Speaker 4: I disagree. Now what does he care the two thousand 2447 01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:25,760 Speaker 4: Patriots with this? 2448 01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:30,479 Speaker 1: Yehage, there's no difference bar Yeah. My question is do 2449 01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,960 Speaker 1: you think that sentiment will allow him to be a 2450 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,320 Speaker 1: big seller at the deadline trying to leave this team 2451 01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,280 Speaker 1: and the best place moving forward. I know he'll never tank, 2452 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,960 Speaker 1: but will he prioritize the future he won't be part of. 2453 01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,320 Speaker 1: Will he prioritize the future he won't be part of? 2454 01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,360 Speaker 1: Now that the games have no championship seeking value as 2455 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,080 Speaker 1: always a huge fan of the show, and it's all 2456 01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:51,040 Speaker 1: it's on air talent. 2457 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:51,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. 2458 01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, the two thousand Patriots. Now Bill opted to do 2459 01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:58,519 Speaker 4: it this way. They stripped it down. They got rid 2460 01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,160 Speaker 4: of like because they weren't a bad team that he inherited. 2461 01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,879 Speaker 4: Technically it was a five hundred team that he inherited, 2462 01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,879 Speaker 4: but they had some bad contracts. They had some veterans 2463 01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,120 Speaker 4: that were sort of passed their prime in that guy, 2464 01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,880 Speaker 4: and he moved on, dropped the anchor. I think was right. 2465 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,760 Speaker 4: He moved on from some of those guys. But that 2466 01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:15,880 Speaker 4: that team, Fred, I don't know if you remember this, 2467 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,479 Speaker 4: they opened the season with fifty one guys because quote, 2468 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,040 Speaker 4: he didn't have fifty three NFL players. 2469 01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:22,960 Speaker 1: That's he said that. 2470 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:26,400 Speaker 4: That's a quote from Bill. He said that, Now eventually 2471 01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:29,559 Speaker 4: obviously they had to sign guys. I know they technical, 2472 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,760 Speaker 4: you know, but when they originally cut the roster, he 2473 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,240 Speaker 4: felt like they didn't have fifty It's. 2474 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,720 Speaker 3: Just like crazy that, you know, to that point, like 2475 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,040 Speaker 3: he was doing this like ridiculous stuff even before he 2476 01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,600 Speaker 3: had the resume, which like if I'm not going to 2477 01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:44,840 Speaker 3: give you the book, if you want it, we have 2478 01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:49,080 Speaker 3: a lot of imagine if like Ben Johnson inherits this 2479 01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:51,720 Speaker 3: team and he comes in on cutdown, Dan is like 2480 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,000 Speaker 3: we only kept fifty one, all of us would be like. 2481 01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,280 Speaker 1: What about. 2482 01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,400 Speaker 4: He's like, he didn't come to my son play. 2483 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:06,080 Speaker 1: You're out, Tom and Taunt in England. As a fan 2484 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,920 Speaker 1: who has never experienced the Patriots absolutely sucking up until now, 2485 01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,479 Speaker 1: I wanted to say thank you to all I'm jealous 2486 01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:15,240 Speaker 1: as Patriot's unfiltered for making the experience a fun one. 2487 01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,960 Speaker 1: Whether it's Deuce's slow descent into darkness and negativity, Paul's 2488 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,800 Speaker 1: refusal to be refusal to be bothered by the team's 2489 01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,439 Speaker 1: performance in any way, or evans weekly mental breakdowns, it's 2490 01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:29,479 Speaker 1: always great and entertaining. Listen, I thank you for all 2491 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,880 Speaker 1: of us, all of you reminding us not to take 2492 01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:33,000 Speaker 1: things too seriously. 2493 01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm jealous of that, Like I've never eaten like 2494 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,240 Speaker 4: him saying I've never experienced that. Like I'm jealous of that. 2495 01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:40,400 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on how Bill 2496 01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,640 Speaker 1: will use his well earned top five draft pick in 2497 01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Given the special team's performance over the 2498 01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,320 Speaker 1: past two years, I think a versatile due it special 2499 01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:52,479 Speaker 1: teamer with a scrappy attitude is what's missing to get 2500 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:53,679 Speaker 1: the team back on track. 2501 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:54,600 Speaker 5: Ridiculous. 2502 01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,760 Speaker 4: What do you think would be more likely for Bill 2503 01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:01,240 Speaker 4: to pick like JJ McCarthy over Caleb Williams or Drake 2504 01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:06,920 Speaker 4: may or the interior tech or some rando wide received 2505 01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,160 Speaker 4: rover Marvin Harrison that no wide. 2506 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:14,639 Speaker 5: Receive quarterback on Wlayne mcconku, I think it's the quarterback 2507 01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:16,479 Speaker 5: one because he's like, no, he's got to play our way. 2508 01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:17,720 Speaker 4: We don't want something. 2509 01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:18,000 Speaker 8: J J. 2510 01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:21,080 Speaker 4: McCarthy just sort of screams, oh yeah, Patriots, oh yeah, 2511 01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:23,719 Speaker 4: oh yeah. I think he is talented. 2512 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:25,680 Speaker 9: The memes are out there. 2513 01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:28,439 Speaker 4: He's not as talented as those tops. I think J. J. 2514 01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,680 Speaker 3: McCarthy is is like every college quarterback that's been on 2515 01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:38,000 Speaker 3: a loaded roster, like Stetson Bennett. JJ McCarthy like Jones, I. 2516 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,560 Speaker 4: Kind of agree, but I think he's a better I 2517 01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:41,320 Speaker 4: think he has a better r But yes, Mac Johnes, 2518 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,120 Speaker 4: that would be in that Jones. I know you, I 2519 01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,559 Speaker 4: know you've quit on Mac, but she's right. Matt Jones 2520 01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:48,840 Speaker 4: would be an example of that. Now I disagree with that, 2521 01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:51,320 Speaker 4: what's the disagree with? 2522 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,160 Speaker 3: He was much better quarterback than than JJ McCarthy. 2523 01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,000 Speaker 4: And I think he was a product of a stacked roster. 2524 01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,519 Speaker 3: He was a much much better quarterback. Like if you 2525 01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,920 Speaker 3: just like lot like the film and of the decision 2526 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:03,080 Speaker 3: made the film. 2527 01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:05,200 Speaker 4: The games. 2528 01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:08,800 Speaker 3: That effective, it'd be the same thing. 2529 01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:12,960 Speaker 1: Keith and New River Gorge, West Virginia. The pitchforks are 2530 01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,160 Speaker 1: definitely out for Belichick. 2531 01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:14,880 Speaker 10: It is what it is. 2532 01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,439 Speaker 1: Bill created this situation, and he's equally responsible for his 2533 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:22,000 Speaker 1: long storied animosity with the media. But folks like Hardy 2534 01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,559 Speaker 1: and Florio just seemed determined for Belichick to leave in disgrace. 2535 01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,519 Speaker 1: The attacks for him to be fired now seemed personal. 2536 01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:30,960 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything that will be gained from 2537 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,800 Speaker 1: firing a future Hall of Fame coach mid season. But 2538 01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,280 Speaker 1: it got me thinking about how Parcels used to handle 2539 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:39,640 Speaker 1: the media. Imagine Parcels never left and had all the 2540 01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,519 Speaker 1: same success as Belichick. Would he be coming under the 2541 01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:43,719 Speaker 1: same media fire. 2542 01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,720 Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think so. If he had loved him, 2543 01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,439 Speaker 4: they did, But if they had the drafts that they 2544 01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:52,200 Speaker 4: had the last four years, people would want him out. 2545 01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:54,080 Speaker 4: They'd say the game has passed him by, baby. 2546 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,200 Speaker 1: But I don't think it'd be as his point is 2547 01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't be as personal. 2548 01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,759 Speaker 4: I don't know about Florio because I don't know Mike Florio. 2549 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,800 Speaker 4: It's not personal with hard I can promise you that. 2550 01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,680 Speaker 3: I mean, Hardy is like not even really here, Like 2551 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,960 Speaker 3: so what would on the radio? I know, but like 2552 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,439 Speaker 3: what would it be like? It's not like he has 2553 01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:11,479 Speaker 3: to interact with Bill on a daily I just know, like. 2554 01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:13,200 Speaker 4: Mike and I can tell you we've talked to him, Like, 2555 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,920 Speaker 4: it's not it's nothing to do with personal and what 2556 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,680 Speaker 4: and what what is there to be gained if they 2557 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,439 Speaker 4: did it during the season. I don't I wouldn't do 2558 01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,800 Speaker 4: it during the season. But there is something that if 2559 01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,760 Speaker 4: Robert krap decided he needed to do, and that is 2560 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,880 Speaker 4: that he is tinkering with the future right if he is, 2561 01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:34,439 Speaker 4: you know, impacting you know, another couple of extensions for 2562 01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:37,880 Speaker 4: DeVante Parker esque players that would be a bridge too 2563 01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,400 Speaker 4: far from me. I would say, I need to get 2564 01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,479 Speaker 4: him out because he's gonna I'm gonna get rid. 2565 01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:42,960 Speaker 3: Of him at the end of the year, buying at 2566 01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,439 Speaker 3: the deadline. So yeah, I agree with that, and I 2567 01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,600 Speaker 3: would I also actually think that there's some value and 2568 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,759 Speaker 3: and maybe giving Gerad an interim tag and like seeing 2569 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,840 Speaker 3: how it looks with his value. I mean, it's like 2570 01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,559 Speaker 3: a little trial run for him, like an eight game trial, 2571 01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,439 Speaker 3: especially for a guy that, you know, what does he 2572 01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,680 Speaker 3: really do around here is kind of a little bit 2573 01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:05,120 Speaker 3: of him. I'm sure mister Kraft knows, but you know, 2574 01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:06,880 Speaker 3: it's like a little bit of a mystery. So I 2575 01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,200 Speaker 3: agree with your bigger point. That's the biggest point is 2576 01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,920 Speaker 3: that Bill is that's and that's a big if. 2577 01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,200 Speaker 4: Like if you felt like he was doing things that 2578 01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,920 Speaker 4: weren't necessarily in the best interest of the team moving forward, 2579 01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,479 Speaker 4: that's something to be gained by doing it during the 2580 01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,360 Speaker 4: season rather than after. And I would just say, you know, 2581 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,000 Speaker 4: I can't speak for everybody but the email and we've 2582 01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,160 Speaker 4: gotten a lot of this, Okay. The way he's treated 2583 01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:32,400 Speaker 4: the media for twenty five years is why I can 2584 01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:36,120 Speaker 4: tell you ninety nine percent of people who have covered 2585 01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:40,240 Speaker 4: this team, they're not like licking their chops to get 2586 01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,040 Speaker 4: a chance to get back at them. I'm not telling 2587 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,520 Speaker 4: you there's none. There are people that that feel like that, 2588 01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:46,800 Speaker 4: but I can tell you the Mike ess of the 2589 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,800 Speaker 4: Tom Curins and the Phil Perrys of the world are 2590 01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:53,400 Speaker 4: not sitting there relishing this opportunity to get back at 2591 01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,400 Speaker 4: Bill because he was mean to them over the years. 2592 01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:00,880 Speaker 4: Some people, I'm sure are especially nationally because they hate 2593 01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:01,520 Speaker 4: the Patriots. 2594 01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,680 Speaker 5: I feel like those guys who have witnessed the whole 2595 01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,840 Speaker 5: thing are just more interested in trying to find out 2596 01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,360 Speaker 5: why why has that fallen apart like this, and that's 2597 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:09,680 Speaker 5: what they're usually trying to get at. 2598 01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:11,440 Speaker 4: Like, I don't think that there's a lot of people 2599 01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:16,320 Speaker 4: like shoes on the other foot, Now, Bill, you gotta go. 2600 01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,200 Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't know, you guys can 2601 01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,840 Speaker 4: disagree with me. I don't feel like that's been like 2602 01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,720 Speaker 4: a prevailing attitude among the media. 2603 01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't. 2604 01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,320 Speaker 8: I feel like they just want like realistic answers to 2605 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,960 Speaker 8: the questions on what does it mean to start over? 2606 01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,960 Speaker 8: What's happening? Why is everything falling apart? Why is this 2607 01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:36,680 Speaker 8: team playing uncharacteristically, like actually getting real responses to very 2608 01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,160 Speaker 8: real questions that we all have answers to. 2609 01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,280 Speaker 3: No, I think, unfortunately, I think the answer is if 2610 01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,080 Speaker 3: he knew he would fix. 2611 01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:45,480 Speaker 4: It, I couldn't. He could have been more refreshingly honest 2612 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:46,040 Speaker 4: on that question. 2613 01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:49,560 Speaker 3: Monday with Tom, like if you if you asked him, like, Bill, 2614 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, why do you guys start slow? Yeah, like 2615 01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,240 Speaker 3: do you think that they they obviously they don't want 2616 01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:57,080 Speaker 3: to start slow. So like if he knew, that's like 2617 01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,800 Speaker 3: that was the time that question yesterday, and that was 2618 01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:00,960 Speaker 3: just he might have wish. 2619 01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,200 Speaker 4: I wish I had a great answer for that. Yeah, 2620 01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:03,720 Speaker 4: he didn't know. 2621 01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,440 Speaker 1: Andrew In l a overly negative Mike chiming in with 2622 01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,919 Speaker 1: we have fifty three players now under. 2623 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:13,320 Speaker 4: His breath, but you he's so dark. Yeah, he really 2624 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:14,880 Speaker 4: is all watching bad football. 2625 01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,600 Speaker 1: Wait, Matt cracked his tooth on a draw breaker and 2626 01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,400 Speaker 1: they're working. We need that kind of heart o commitment 2627 01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:24,720 Speaker 1: on the team. Let's get Marine on the field and 2628 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,560 Speaker 1: a clipboard in Evan's hands. Mike could be a good cheerleader. 2629 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,320 Speaker 1: Let's have Fred as the new owner and with Paula's GM, 2630 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,600 Speaker 1: we'll have a terrible team filled with good people. 2631 01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,920 Speaker 4: Yes, that would be my team, I mean terrible players. 2632 01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,760 Speaker 4: He knows a good guys, he knows my bag of 2633 01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:39,560 Speaker 4: tricks on the cheerleader front. I guess yeah, I think 2634 01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:41,520 Speaker 4: that's what he was who was getting at. You did 2635 01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,440 Speaker 4: it for the camera too, Come with me? You know 2636 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:44,280 Speaker 4: that's my favorite move. 2637 01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,720 Speaker 5: They're walking away, the cheerleaders walking away, they look back 2638 01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:50,360 Speaker 5: and they say, come with me, you know, like, that's 2639 01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,000 Speaker 5: that's my move. 2640 01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,240 Speaker 4: He's insane. You hired this guy, like, hey, it's fun. 2641 01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,320 Speaker 4: We got to find some fun here. Fortunately I had 2642 01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:58,960 Speaker 4: a big say in that. 2643 01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,280 Speaker 1: All right, well, listen, I have a meeting. I know 2644 01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:06,160 Speaker 1: we have more calls and emails. Appreciate everyone engaging with 2645 01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:10,920 Speaker 1: us during these tough times. Someday they'll get better. Don't 2646 01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:14,880 Speaker 1: know when, but they will. 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