1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: Welcome in now number two Klay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Fuck I 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: wanted to dive in. This was Friday on the Bill 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Maher Show. Our friend Anne Colter was on and she 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: was talking about something that we talked about on the 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: show on Friday. 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: They need to have you on. By the way, I've 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: been on a few times and been on like a 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: dozen times. Clay Travis needs someone out there who knows 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: Bill Maher. Clay needs to be on the Bill Mahers show. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: I've been on. They should have me back, but Clay 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: needs to get on there. I've never been invited. 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's two shows that I would like 16 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: to do that I have never been on. I would 17 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: like to do Bill Maher because I think that is 18 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: a very interesting show where people of diverse opinions actually 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: sit and discuss their diverse opinions, which I think we 20 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: need more of, and I would like to do Joe Rogan. 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Never been invited on Joe Rogan never been invited on 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Bill Maher. I've been invited most other places in the media. 23 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: And I know you've done a lot of CNN, BOK, 24 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Fox News, MSNBC back in the day, probably kind of 25 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: done it. 26 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: Some of us haven't been officially banned from CNN. 27 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: I am officially banned from CNN and the ESPN. Maybe 28 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: the only person in America who's not allowed to appear 29 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: on either. 30 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: That's like being banned from entry into Iran and North Korea. 31 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: That like that. I know it. 32 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: Is a badge of badge of honor in some way, 33 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: and so I don't know. Maybe that's connected somehow to 34 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: not being able to go on Bill Maher Joe Rogan, 35 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: But I've never been invited on either. I did get invited, 36 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: by the way, speaking of crazy invitations, I told you 37 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: this off the year I got invited to speech speak 38 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: to the Camp Cambridge Debate Society in England, which is 39 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: I think pretty badass. So I may end up trying 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: to do that if the timing works out. But if 41 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: you had on your twenty twenty four board Clay Travis 42 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: speaking in Cambridge or Oxford, that would probably be not expected. 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: You definitely need to show up wearing a top hat 44 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: and a monocle with an ascot and demand that they 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: all call you the Earl of Travis. 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Maybe I can get knighted while I'm over there. Since 47 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: I've been very, very positive towards the royal family, particularly 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth, who's come in for some dastardly commentary on 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: this program. 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: From you, you know, I got called out by a brit 51 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: in Utah. Came up the after it. She's like, you're great. 52 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: I love you and Clay, but stop with the nonsense 53 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: about the royal family. They're great. 54 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: You know, that's really really funny. All right, So this 55 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: is an awful story. Let me hit you with it 56 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: because I don't know that it's going to get the 57 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: attention that it deserves. Two police officers and one first 58 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: responder were basically executed in what seems to have been 59 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: a targeted attack in Minnesota over the weekend. Three young, innocent, 60 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: two police officers, one first responder I believe he was 61 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: a fireman. All three of them were killed. They were killed, 62 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: and I try to avoid giving attention to mass shooters. 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: We've talked about this some on the show because I 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: think the data reflect that what these people want is 65 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: to become infamous. They want us all to talk about 66 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: them and share their name and spread it widely. I 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: think that is one of the drivers for why mass 68 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: shootings occur, so I try to avoid using the name. 69 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: But the guy who did it was black, and he 70 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: was an Obama supporter, and there's evidence of that. You 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: can go search it out if you would like. A 72 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: lot of you probably have not heard about that because 73 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: the narrative is such that if someone is black and 74 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: they commit an act of violence, and if white people 75 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: are the victims, by and large, the media just doesn't 76 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: cover it and they immediately bury it. The flip side, 77 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: if there is a white person who engages in any 78 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: sort of violent act against any sort of minority, it 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: becomes the lead story for days, even sometimes weeks at 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: a time. The president issues a statement, everyone decides to 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: line up. Well, we saw this happened last week. We 82 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: finished the show Friday telling you on air that there 83 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: were two black juveniles who had open fire at the 84 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chief's Super Bowl celebration parade. One mom was killed, 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: a forty two year old I believe mother of two, 86 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: a DJ in the Kansas City area, was killed. Over 87 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: twenty people were shot. Many of those people were children 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: and almost immediately, everybody said, this mass shooting cannot be 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: allowed to stand. We've got to have gun control. This 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: is unacceptable. Many people in the sports media on ESPN, 91 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: they took to the airwaves and demanded it. I don't 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: think they've covered it since it became clear that these 93 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 2: were two black juveniles that were involved in the shooting 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: and it was some sort of dispute between the two 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: of them, and all of these innocent people got shot 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: as a result. This is actually what the data reflects 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: is the most likely form of mass shooting in America. 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: That is, two often black individuals, angry at each other, 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: they fire away, and they are innocent bystanders that end 100 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: up being victims, or one or the other of them 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: shoots each other. This is actually what violence in America 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: looks like. As I said on the show on Friday, 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: around three or four percent of the United States population 104 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: that as black men between the ages of sixteen and 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: forty commits over half of all murders in America, and 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: they're overwhelming of the overwhelming majority of the time, the 107 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: victims themselves are black, and it gets almost no attention. 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: And in fact, if this shooting in Kansas City had happened, Buck, 109 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: You said, what Kansas City had something like over one 110 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five murders in twenty twenty three, which 111 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: is a massive number relative. 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: Worst number in the history of the city of Kansas City. 113 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 3: It was the highest homicide rate ever. 114 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: And that would be if it were New York, LA 115 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: or Chicago, to put it in a per capita basis, 116 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: that would be thousands of murders that would be taking 117 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: place in those cities. Because the population of Kansas City 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 2: is a pinprick of New York, Chicago, and LA, particularly 119 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: the metropolitan surrounding area. All that is a background and 120 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: Colter went on Friday, after we had said it on 121 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: the show that there were two young black juveniles. She 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: went on and directly said, this story is going to disappear, 123 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: and it's because the shooters were black. If this were 124 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: a white male, it would be everywhere. You would know 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: everything about him. Listen to that, cud. 126 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 4: We don't know who did this shooting. By the way, 127 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: the Super Bowls we have some mind. 128 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 5: You what if it were a white man shooting. 129 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: We'd know, Well, we don't know. 130 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: I mean that we know it's not a white man. 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 5: I can tell you that much. 132 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: Do you think they were repressing that reporting. 133 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: They wouldn't tell us about the transgender woman that shot 134 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: up the Christian school for what like a year. Oh, 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: San Bernardino out here, remember the crazy terrast Muslims. That's 136 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 5: when I first noticed. Hmm, they're not telling us who 137 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: it is. 138 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: It's not a white male. 139 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 5: The longer they go without telling you it's not a 140 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 5: white male. 141 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: Okay, well we don't for this one for right now 142 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: as of Friday night, February sixteen, Yeah, we don't. 143 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: We don't officially know. 144 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: Okay, you know you have special powers. 145 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: Okay, she was right, one hundred percent. She was right. 146 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: She does have special powers apparently because she was able 147 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: to see this. Now we said the same thing on Friday, 148 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: because this is apparent. But this is now effectively a 149 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: rule for the media that they will right away if 150 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 3: the shooter or if somebody basically, if somebody who does 151 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: something violent and terrible is white, you will know it 152 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: within minutes of the shooting, correct. And if there's some 153 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: other component, If there's some other you know, whether it's 154 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: a you know, a gender transgender issue or a racial 155 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: issue or whatever, if there's something that's not a you know, 156 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: straight white male does killing. They will delay and delay 157 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: and delay as law as they can. And this is 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: obviously meant to protect certain narratives and all sort of 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: promote others. So, yeah, there were two young black guys 160 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: who did the shooting at the at the parade, and 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: because we didn't know about them, we knew that they 162 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: weren't two white guys doing the shooting and said this. 163 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: Notice Bill Maher wasn't saying she was wrong. Yeah, correct, 164 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: because he knew, he knew. Then Joy is sitting there. 165 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: Don Jones is a pretty is a pretty fiery debater. 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: I've debated him before. He didn't really get into it 167 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: with her on this because everybody knew what she was 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: saying was true. 169 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: On Saturday, I think it was TMZ posted the videos, 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: but I had seen the videos and shared them on 171 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: social media before that, and you could see who was arrested, 172 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: two young black men. So this builds on another question, Buck. 173 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: First of all, nobody's going to talk about it now, right, 174 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: think about it. Twenty people get shot at a Super 175 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: Bowl parade in Kansas City seems like kind of a 176 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: huge story. One innocent person is killed. The mediate question 177 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: that I have is Wait a minute, how did juveniles 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: get these weapons to be shooting at each other? And 179 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: we just saw up in Michigan the parents charged with 180 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: the Michigan school shooter. I immediately think, when somebody is under 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: eighteen years old and does this, what in the world 182 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: are the parents doing? And and or the guardian. Because 183 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: I've got three teenagers or two teenagers and one little kid. 184 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: We probably won't know this, but it won't come out 185 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: because they're juveniles. If you were better, I would give 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: somebody if we were putting odds on this, not to 187 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: make I'm by no means of making light of it, 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: but just in terms of the probabilities here, if you're 189 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: putting Vegas odds on it, I think I would give 190 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: someone legitimately one hundred to one that neither of these 191 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: individuals have a father in the home. Yeah, because when 192 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: you look at, as a matter of statistics, the correlation 193 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: between violent criminal activity and the absence of a father 194 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: or you know, male father figure in the home, the 195 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 3: numbers are stratispiric, stratospherically high. And by the way, that's 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: true across all races. But in this case, we know 197 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: these two individuals were black the chance that they do 198 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: not and obviously engaged in a horrific active mass violence. 199 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: The chance that there's no father in either home is 200 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: very high, and the data also reflects. And I always 201 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: think I think Anne addressed this by the way too. 202 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: I only saw clips of it, but she meant yea 203 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: not to leave. 204 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: Out Let's play that. Let's play that cut forward, but 205 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: right before we play cut four, the data actually reflects. 206 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: And I find this fascinating that young boys struggle more 207 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: with the absence of a father in the home than 208 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: young women do. So single parent households often with women 209 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: raising the children and having to do both the role 210 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: of dad and mom girl, probably because I would guess 211 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: psychologically there's a strong female figure in their home that 212 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: they can look up to and aspire and role model to. 213 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Girls actually do far better than boys do in single 214 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: parent homes. And let's listen to cut four as and 215 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: Culter makes this point. I think if we wanted to 216 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: have a real conversation in America, two juveniles opening fire 217 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: at a Super Bowl parade would be a good opportunity 218 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: to actually have a conversation about how something like this happens. Instead, 219 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: because it's two young black men, the story vanishes and 220 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: we don't have a conversation about it at all. 221 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 5: Listen to cut four blacks killing blacks will not get 222 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 5: covered by the media. That's a huge media problem out 223 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 5: You'll all laugh at me, but I'm gonna say it 224 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: because I'm right right, because of this is illegitimacy. All 225 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 5: of these young men do not have fathers, and that 226 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 5: is a huge, huge source of it. Anything that could 227 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 5: be done to reduce to illegitimacy rape, particularly among the 228 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 5: black community, it would be astronomical to changes. 229 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: You see. 230 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 5: Do you know just one one fact, If you take 231 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 5: away the factor of illegitimacy, the difference in the black 232 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: and the white crime right disappears. You know, it's an 233 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 5: amazing facts. 234 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 4: It's it's it would be amazing facts if it were true. 235 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: But I'm like, I mean, it is a big part 236 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: of it. 237 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: Okay. Can I just first of all, you know that's 238 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: the problem with with I'll just say this with a 239 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: liberal audience, and you get this in the Bill Mahers show. 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: They're clapping for what was a stupid comment. Because it 241 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: is true. It is true. This is a matter of 242 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: sociology and numbers. You can look at Holmes, is there 243 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: a married couple in the home, and look at the 244 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: correlation with crime, and the data proves this very much 245 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: of you know, very strongly that the appsence it just 246 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: makes sense too. So Van Jones is saying it's not true. 247 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: You know why he says that because he doesn't want 248 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: to engage in the debate, so he just says that's 249 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: a lie. It's not a lie. What sheet What Anne 250 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: is saying here on the Bill Show is accurate, and 251 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: it is a conversation that we are not. You know, 252 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: we're a lot have natural conversations play about gun control, 253 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: video game violence, white supremacy and how that's creating all 254 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: this violence. I've met jihattists or you know, I've come 255 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: across gihatis who want to blow up buildings. I've still 256 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: never met a white supremacist. I'm not saying they don't exist, 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: but this is a rare thing, and yet we can 258 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: have natural conversations about that. But the effect that broken 259 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: families have, particularly on young men who have no role model, 260 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: who have no father figure, even in the home, across 261 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: the board. You know, you look at the the sociological 262 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: research on this, it's very clear and yet we're never 263 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: allowed to have a discussion about this because really what 264 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: the government has done is they've decided that they're actually 265 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 3: going to Illegitimacy is subsidized effectively, and that has become 266 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: a huge component of lbj's Great Society program today. 267 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, also, Buck, I would say this is a part 268 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: of a rature of men in general. There's this idea 269 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: that men don't matter and that masculinity is toxic. You 270 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: know what ended up happening with those guys shooting at 271 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: Kansas City Parade. Men ran and tackled those individuals to 272 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: keep them from firing more guns. I think we need 273 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more toxic masculinity in America. 274 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: For young men. You know, you're raising three young boys play. 275 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: We can talk more about this, but to have a 276 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: masculine figure in their life who they respect on a 277 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: man to man level, to tell them things like you 278 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: never lay your hands on a woman, to tell them 279 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: things like you never join a group, beatdown of somebody 280 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: who's helpless, or you know, you never you never try 281 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: to use violence instead of words unless someone is trying 282 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: to be violent with you. First, you can defend yourself. 283 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: That's the comes from dads. It's very hard for a woman, 284 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: any woman, a mother, to connect with a fourteen year 285 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: old or fifteen year old. 286 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: Boy, especially once their post puberty, once their. 287 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: Posture, once hormones and adolescents and everything kicks in. 288 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: You know, gotta have a You gotta have a dad 289 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: who sometimes grabs you by the scruff of the neck 290 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: and talks to you. And I the best privilege in 291 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: America today is a two parent household period regardless of 292 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: your racial background. 293 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: You are listening to the best of Clay, Travis and Bucks. 294 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: Second, it's ok with the movies here for a second, 295 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: I I gotta look at where the movie theater stocks 296 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: are because I got to figure that it's going to 297 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,479 Speaker 3: be a tough time for movie theaters going forward. It's 298 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: when you add up all the headache. First of all 299 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: the notion you have to be somewhere at a certain 300 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: set time even to watch a movie. It's not a 301 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: Broadway play like, it's not quite the same kind of event. 302 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: I remember back in the nineties early nineties going to 303 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: a movie with my family when it was first coming out, 304 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: and it was a big movie like the first remember 305 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: the the Michael Key and Batman that was a that 306 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: was a huge movie when that came out. I remember 307 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: going to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my 308 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: whole family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New 309 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: York City and the giant speakers, and that was so cool. 310 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate 311 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: at all at home. Now you can and you don't 312 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: have people talking. What is it with people think that 313 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: when the when the music gets loud or the sound 314 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: gets loud, you get you get start to do the 315 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: loud whisper thing no, no, no, and pulling their phones out, 316 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: and it's just it's you know, I don't know. I 317 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore. 318 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm kind of out. I watch movies. I just don't 319 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: go to the movie theater anymore. 320 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked 321 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm cleaning 322 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: you still do though, you still do still want to 323 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: take it by. Boys like to go see a movie, 324 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: love the experience. Uh even today, I would still I 325 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: was one of the diehards that would still be willing 326 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 2: to go to the movie when everybody else was convinced 327 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: they were gonna die of COVID. I couldn't wait for 328 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: the movie theaters to be back open. I think they 329 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: opened back up in like May or June where I am. 330 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: I was right back in the theater as soon as 331 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: I could be, even when they were showing old eighties 332 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: and nineties movies because they didn't have any new movies 333 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: to be able to watch. What was the U was? 334 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: What was the movie that came out that was like 335 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: the first movie to come back out after COVID? That 336 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: was a I know we had Top Gun Maverick, but 337 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: the the Interstellar guy, Uh didn't he come out with 338 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 2: a movie? Is an inception? Is that the movie that 339 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: came out christ was no one who had It's It's 340 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: Denzel Washington's son, and it was about the theater getting 341 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: taken over and it's kind of a thriller and you 342 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: could change. That was the first real new release to 343 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 2: come back out after COVID, and I feel like that 344 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: was I don't remember when that came out, but I 345 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: remember being super excited to go see it. I wanted 346 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: to go this weekend buck. I got my phone out, 347 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: I pulled up the fan Dango app movies mean to fail. 348 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable how awful they were. 349 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: Tenant is the movie that you're tenning of it, which 350 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 3: I never saw. I know nothing about it. It's good. 351 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making 352 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: good movies because the whole industry has changed because people 353 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in 354 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: the theater the way they used to. They want to 355 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality. 356 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater. 357 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: I want to be in the movie theater with really 358 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: good movies out again, like in the eighties and like 359 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 2: in the nineties. And I think that Hollywood has just 360 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: destroyed itself by being more concerned with politics than story. 361 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 2: Just get back to telling me good stories. That's all 362 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: I want. 363 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 364 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 3: Welcome back into Clay and Back. We're joined by Batya 365 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: Unger Sargun. She is an opinion editor at Newsweek, has 366 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: a new book out, Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed 367 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: America's working men and women. Batia, this is fortunate. It's 368 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: one of those times where the title itself gets a 369 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: whole lot of conversation started, I think because people recognize 370 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 3: that something's gone on. I mean, I could talk just 371 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: about the elites selling out to China and what that's 372 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: done to American manufacturing and workers. But let's let you 373 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: lead us first. Here. Where should we start? How and 374 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: why have the elites betrayed America's working men and women. 375 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 6: Well, thank you guys so much for having me. It's 376 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 6: really thrilling to be here with you. It's music to 377 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 6: my ears to hear you say that, because I really 378 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 6: wanted this book to be a conversation starter. There's so 379 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 6: much in it that I think feels incredibly intuitive, especially 380 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 6: to working class people or people like you guys whose 381 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 6: lives are not totally separate from working class people the 382 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 6: way that many and the elites are. It's so obvious 383 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 6: that life has become incredibly diff for the hardest working Americans. 384 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 6: So I really wanted to explain how that happened, why 385 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 6: that happened, and how we fix it. And so I 386 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 6: traveled around the country for a year, interviewing working class 387 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 6: people from all political persuasions, all races, lots of different 388 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 6: industries to get their thoughts on whether they think they 389 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 6: still have a fair shot at the American dream and 390 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 6: really how we could increase their shot at the American dream. 391 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 6: And I heard a lot of them talking about how 392 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 6: betrayed they feel by the elites, and by the way, 393 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 6: by the elites they don't mean billionaires. A lot of 394 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 6: them admire billionaires. They see billionaires as jobs creators. By 395 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 6: the elites, they mean that sort of credentialed, college over 396 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 6: educated elite in the top twenty percent in professional managerial jobs, 397 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 6: who really, over the course of the last four years, 398 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 6: have been engaged in a plunder of the middle class 399 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 6: and upward transfer of wealth of middle class wages into 400 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 6: their own pockets. 401 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: Are you optimistic that things are gonna get better for 402 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: people who are out there working on a day to 403 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: day basis. I mean, when you look at inflation, which 404 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: has taken a huge bite out of their paychecks and 405 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: all of our paychecks, but in particular when you live 406 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: paycheck to paycheck, it has far more of an impact. 407 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: Are you optimistic that the general trend lines can be 408 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: in their favor or do you think things are perpetually 409 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: aligned against them. 410 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 6: I'm really curious what you guys think about this, I 411 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 6: feel totally optimistic. I'll tell you why we don't remember this, 412 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 6: But when Trump came into office, there was a handshake 413 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 6: agreement between the two parties that we should have free 414 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 6: trade with China. I mean, that was the orthodoxy that 415 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 6: governed the Democrats and the Republicans at the time. And 416 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 6: Trump showed up and just took an axe to that 417 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 6: neoliberal order and said, We're not gonna have free trade 418 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 6: with China. We're never trade war. And he put these 419 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 6: tariffs on steel and aluminum, put tariffs on others things, 420 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 6: really tried to write that trade deficit that we had. 421 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: And now he was so successful that President Biden has 422 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 6: been unable to undo all of that work and has 423 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: actually kept a lot of those tariffs. So if you 424 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 6: think about how the ship was totally going in one 425 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 6: direction and one man could show up with the mandate 426 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 6: given to him by his voters and totally turn that 427 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: around so much so that his enemy, who undid every 428 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 6: other good thing he did, could not undo it, I 429 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 6: mean that makes me feel so optimistic. I mean, on 430 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: immigration again, like it was in the nineties, it was 431 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 6: the Democrats who wanted to control the border because they 432 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 6: wanted to protect working class wages, and it was the 433 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 6: Republicans who wanted to give amnesty to all of these people. 434 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 6: Now there really is a consensus among working Americans that 435 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 6: immigration has gone off the charts too much and that 436 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 6: we really need to stop this. And by the way, 437 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: that's liberals and conservative working class people. 438 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 3: I just wanted to note about you, and I think 439 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: this is so important. Trump's victory on the trade issue 440 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: came not only against the Democrat opposition to him. They 441 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: just hate anything that Trump does, but even Republicans were 442 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 3: initially very critical, and he broke with the DC consensus, 443 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: you could say, the Swamp consensus on trade. And the 444 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: people that I know who really study trade like that, 445 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: the trade nerds out there. I would have them on 446 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: and talk to them, and they would point out we 447 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: were already in a trade war. It was just a 448 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: one way trade war, as in China was waging a 449 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: trade war against us, and we were saying, well, let's 450 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: just keep promoting free trade. And it was an absurdity 451 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: and Trump came and stopped that. And I appreciate that 452 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: you make note. You get into that in your book 453 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: Second Class, How the Elites betrayed America's Working Men and Women. 454 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: That's the book by Batia Hunger Stargan. You mentioned the 455 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: immigration issue. This is one. It's one of the I 456 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: think most fascinating and honestly most important issues in America 457 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: today and has been for many years. There's more focus 458 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: on it now than there has been a while. But 459 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: let's break down some of what it really means. You 460 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: mentioned protecting wages. What does it mean the cost of 461 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: a house? What does it mean for wages to have 462 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: not just a lot of mass immigration in general, but 463 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: now millions upon millions. Eight million is probably the number 464 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: for Biden's first term coming into the country illegally. 465 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a really really important issue. The way that 466 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 6: I think about it is like this. You know, first, 467 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 6: they shipped good paying manufacturing jobs overseas to build up 468 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 6: China and Mexico's middle class. Right. They took these great jobs, 469 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 6: five million of them, and just handed them off to 470 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 6: our enemies. And then President Obama defunded vocational training, cutting 471 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 6: off another avenue to the American dream for working class people. 472 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 6: And then they invite it in millions and millions and 473 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 6: millions of illegal immigrants over the course of the last 474 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 6: fifty years, but really, like you said, over the last 475 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 6: four years, turbocharged to undercut further the jobs that remained here. 476 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: It is so crazy to remember that meat packing jobs, 477 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 6: those used to be the job to have. They were 478 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 6: great wages, great benefits, you know, great protections for workers. 479 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 6: All of that is gone. It is now they employ 480 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 6: tons and tons of illegal immigrants, which means that it 481 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 6: drives down the wages. There are no more protections for workers, 482 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 6: no more benefits. So they then devalued the jobs that 483 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 6: remained here. And if you objected to that as a 484 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 6: working class person who was trying to understand, why is 485 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 6: it that my parents were able to support my family 486 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 6: and buy a home on a single income and I'm 487 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 6: working two or three jobs and I can't support my children. 488 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 6: You're trying to struggle to understand that, and you call 489 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 6: it out, you get called a racist and smeared as 490 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 6: a racist. That is the move that the leftist elites 491 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 6: do to mask their plunder of the working class and 492 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 6: the middle class, which put money in their pockets, because 493 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 6: of course they are the people who employ these illegal immigrants. 494 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 6: So when they open that border and flood these industries, 495 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 6: whether it's cleaning or landscape or meat packing or healthcare. 496 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 6: At the lower end of that, they flood it with 497 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 6: illegal workers. Everything's cheaper for them, right, They don't have 498 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 6: to pay what they would have paid an American worker. 499 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 6: And you know the proof that this is intentional is 500 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 6: listen to DHS Secretary Alejandro Majorcis. Every time he has 501 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 6: asked about the border, and I mean every time. He 502 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 6: did it again three days ago on Fox News. He's 503 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 6: done it every time he's been before Congress or the 504 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 6: Senate when he is asked about the border. What does 505 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 6: he say? He says, our corporations have jobs they can't fill. 506 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 6: He thinks his job is not to secure the border, 507 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 6: but to partner with these murderous cartels in supplying American 508 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 6: corporations with cheap labor. 509 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: Bodiya. 510 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: Based on your travels, we got Trump having his rally 511 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: in the South Bronx here in a few hours. The 512 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: data out there is reflecting that in particular for men 513 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: but also for women. But men out there, wage journers, black, white, 514 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: Asian and Hispanic are overwhelmingly moving towards Trump. Does that 515 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: surprise you? Do you think the Republican Party actually has 516 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: way more support among minority voters out there that are 517 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: wage earners than maybe they've realized historically. 518 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it's the Republican Party because I found 519 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 6: in my travels that, you know, there's one thing working 520 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 6: class conservatives hate more than the Democratic Party, and it's 521 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 6: the Republican Party. They really hate the GOP as it 522 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 6: was embodied by someone like NICKI Haley, the kind of 523 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 6: free trade, foreign entanglements, foreign wars version of the party, 524 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 6: the Chamber of Commerce version. They are defecting from the 525 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 6: Democratic Party for Trump. He's really running like a third 526 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 6: party candidate, is what he's done, and as an incumbent 527 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 6: because he has that record. And I'll tell you something funny. 528 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 6: When I was reporting my book, I was traveling around 529 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 6: the country interviewing working class people and you know, many 530 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 6: different communities. I didn't find a single black man who 531 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 6: was planning to vote for Biden. And I said to myself, girl, 532 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 6: something's off, like you're your selection bias is off, like 533 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 6: you hand picking people, cherry picking. It wasn't until you know, 534 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 6: a year later that I started to see the polling 535 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 6: where he was really surging with black men who feel 536 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 6: totally sold out by the kind of feminized version of 537 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 6: the Democratic Party that puts a total premium out of 538 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 6: college education, that welcomed in millions and millions of people 539 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 6: to compete for that with them for working class jobs, 540 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 6: and sold out their future. 541 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: The buote out by Batia Hunger Sargan is fantastic. Highly 542 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: recommend you get a copy Second Class How the Elites 543 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: betrayed America's working men and women. Batya, that was really fascinating. 544 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: Please come back soon. 545 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, God bless you guys. 546 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: Going to be interesting to see the numbers that support 547 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: the arguments that she's making there, whether they truly translate 548 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. If they do, I think is 549 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: going to be a seismic shift in the way that 550 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: politics are talked about in this country. In a very 551 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: good way. 552 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 553 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: Charles Barkley is I think one of the funniest people 554 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: on television, and he's gotten criticism over the years because 555 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: he just says exactly what he thinks and whatever the 556 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: reaction is, he handles it. And Rush talked about this before. 557 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: I think it's one of the funniest feuds out there 558 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: a while back, Charles Barkley said that San Antonio had 559 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: a lot of big women, and there was a demand 560 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: that he apologized because I think he said fat women, 561 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: and there were people out there who said, this is 562 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: totally unacceptable, and Rush actually weighed in on this when 563 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: the controversy began and the crew went back and grabbed 564 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: Rush talking about this. Here was and then we've got 565 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: an update on this that I think you guys are 566 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: going to get a good laugh from. But here was Rush. 567 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: This was a while back, I think twenty fourteen, when 568 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: there was a demand that Charles Barkley apologized to the 569 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: fat women of San Antonio who were evidently outraged. Listen. 570 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 7: The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance wants Chuck to 571 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: apologize for his comments, which included saying there are some 572 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 7: quote big old women in San Antonio and that it's 573 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 7: a quote gold mine for weight watchers unquote, for whom 574 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 7: Chuck is a spokesperson, Making slurs about body size is 575 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 7: just as offensive as making comments about body color, said 576 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 7: spokesperson Peggy Howell to t m Z Sports. One would 577 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 7: think being a black man, he'd be more sensitive to 578 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 7: having his physical body criticized totally, totally on the line. 579 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 7: Chuck should absolutely apologize. Well, I just don't know that 580 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 7: Chuck is gonna have apologize that. People like Chuck don't 581 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 7: have to apologize. People like Chuck are celebrated when they 582 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 7: this stuff like this, courageous bold You tell him, Chuck, Oh, 583 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 7: he was just making a joke. Come on, folks, everybody 584 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 7: knows Chuck, he didn't really mean anything. 585 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So he has not apologized. And I believe this 586 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: was last night, it might have been two nights ago. Chuck, 587 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: he made a joke. 588 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: Buck. 589 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: Your Nix, by the way, are finally winning some basketball 590 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: games like the nineteen nineties all over again. They took 591 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: over Philadelphia. I actually watched the end of that game. 592 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: There were so many Knicks fans there. But he said 593 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: that one of the teams was playing so poorly they 594 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: didn't even deserve to take their postseason trip to can Kun. 595 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: They should have to go to Galveston instead. And we 596 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: may have a lot of listeners in Galveston, but it's 597 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: not as nice as Cankun. And so Beyonce's mom, who 598 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: was from Galveston, was upset and wanted Charles to apologize 599 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: about that he took it to the next level. This 600 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: is what he said last night. 601 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 3: So how do you like Galveston? Now it's beautiful. We're 602 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: not going there. We're going to vacation. You've got a whale. 603 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 7: I ain't going on. 604 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: There's got a chance to wipe the slate, clean. 605 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: You out that water. 606 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 7: To San Antonio. 607 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: I'd really going to San Antonio to some big old women. 608 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 7: No, no, I'm not going to gallat I mean I 609 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 7: want to go to the beach down and the river 610 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 7: walk and watch him. 611 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: San Antonio. That's what they have been at. Victoria's secret Jack. 612 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: Why is it s because the dem women down and 613 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 3: they can't get them cutla underwear. 614 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: They wear bloomers down in Santa Oh my god. 615 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: Somehow Victoria is secret down man. 616 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: So he's now a decade later, continued the feud. To me, 617 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: this is one of the great feuds out there in 618 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: sports right now, Buck Charles Barkley versus the fat women 619 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: of San Antonio. Charles Barkley, of course not trim himself. 620 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: He's had his own battle of the bulge over the years. 621 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: But it's funny to me that Rush pointed out rightly 622 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: that he's not going to apologize, and he I do 623 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: respect as someone who regularly steers into controversy that rather 624 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: than apologize, he doubled and tripled down on the controversy there, 625 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: which I think most people actually appreciate. 626 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: They're they're very funny on that that panel. And I 627 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: don't watch a lot of sports, but I do see 628 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: a fair amount of their eclipse in commentary, and uh, 629 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: it's great. You know when you see when you've got 630 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: good TV commentary, you know it right away. And there's 631 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: a reason why those guys are as popular as they are, 632 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: you know, Shaq Barkley, Kenny. 633 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: Kenny Smith and uh and uh and Ernie Ernie. 634 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they do. They do a very good job. 635 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: I've actually never been to San Antonio, which this is, 636 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: which is I got to get there. I got a 637 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: bunch of reasons I gotta get down there. I've I've 638 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: honestly heard it's a great city. I know, we have 639 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 3: a lot of listeners in San Antonio. I've heard that 640 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: when you add in quality of life and uh, you know, 641 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 3: safety and everything else, it's a it's a really great city. 642 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: I know people say it's their favorite city in Texas, 643 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: not Houston or Dallas. I'm just saying, I know people 644 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: have said that. 645 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: I went, because I didn't realize this until I had 646 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: my own kids, how wacky this was. But when I 647 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: was a kid, I got obsessed with the Alamo. And 648 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: it's probably not a coincidence that we have Crockett Coffee now, 649 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 2: which is fantastic connected to the Alamo. I knew everything 650 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: there was to know about the Alamo. I read every book, 651 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: I knew every detail. I still recall a lot of them. 652 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: But for my. 653 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: Sixth birthday it was a big deal. Of the time, 654 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 2: I didn't travel, you know, on the airplanes very often. 655 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: My dad took me to the Alamo, and so we 656 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: went to go tour the Alamo, and I could answer 657 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: every one of the tour guide's questions, and they were 658 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: pretty detailed, and he started peppering me with more and 659 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: more questions. When you're five or six and you're like that, 660 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: it just seems totally normal. Now that I've had my 661 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: own kids, I understand why all the adults that were 662 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 2: on the tour are like, who is this six year 663 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: old who knows everything? Lots of little kids will have 664 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: something that they get fascinated by. With me, dinosaurs where 665 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 2: they know way more than anybody else would. And I 666 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: bet some of your kids are grandkids, you've experienced this 667 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: where they just become really kind of an expert in something. 668 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: Now view knows more about. Like I think I'm pretty good. 669 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 3: I read Jurassic Park before it was a movie, and 670 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: I thought dinosaurs were interesting when I was a kid. 671 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: But he knows dinosaurs and can point them out. I've 672 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: never even heard of them before, so he's really into dinosaurs. 673 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: It is amazing sometimes the level of knowledge when a 674 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 2: kid really finds something that he's obsessed with. It's also 675 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: super cool to see them get obsessed with learning in 676 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 2: that way. But that was my thing san Antonio. I 677 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: remember at six we need or We're on in San Antonio. 678 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: I think we've been number one in the marketplace. We 679 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: should make a trip down. Now that we got Crockett coffee, 680 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: we should deliver coffee for free to that entire Alumo. 681 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 2: Let them hopefully make some money off of it, because 682 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they could always use more money. And 683 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to wear the Albamo again. 684 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: I remember it's right in town and it kind of 685 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: feels you feel like it shouldn't be like right in 686 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 2: the center of town. I remember that from being a kid, 687 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 2: because you feel, just based on the movies and everything else, 688 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: like it should be out with surrounded. 689 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: But I always been told it's a little bit like 690 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: the shootout at the OK Corral. If you go to 691 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 3: where that where you go, if you go to where 692 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: that happened, you're shocked by how small it is and 693 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 3: how close quarters. But anybody who knows anything about gunfighting, 694 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: and especially with handguns, it's it's close up. 695 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: You've got to be pretty close. 696 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: The stuff you see in these old Western movies where 697 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: guys are pulling a quick draw from what looks to 698 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: be like fifty yards away and hitting a guy square 699 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 3: in the chest. No, that's very very hard and would 700 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: be very very rare. 701 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's super I want to go, but 702 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: that would be a one of those history lessons. There's 703 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: some places that I haven't been yet. I'd like to 704 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: go back as an adult and see what it's actually like.