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Speaker 1: What four and oh last year in the preseason? So

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Speaker 1: they're all fired up about what happened? Dave Wanstat who's

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Speaker 1: the last Bears coach to.

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Speaker 2: Win a road playoff game?

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Speaker 1: Six years in Chicago five with the Dolphins, last head

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Speaker 1: coach to win a playoff game, So listen, it's I

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Speaker 1: guess my take is because of the style that Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson demands. It's a very precise, exact style. He's like Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: He wants his play run. And because of the style

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Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams, which is a little Brett Farv, it's

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Speaker 1: a little ad lib. I don't think they're a perfect marriage.

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Speaker 1: I think it can work. But you've been at practice.

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Speaker 1: You said it was pretty rough a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Caleb and Ben, everybody in Chicago here, I

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Speaker 3: am in Chicago, do you recognize, as said colin a

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Speaker 3: microphone right here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm.

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Speaker 3: But I uh and Caleb, everybody's admitted that it's been

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Speaker 3: the last week that he's really turned a corner as

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Speaker 3: far as uh uh, you know, how he's performs, how

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Speaker 3: he's grasped the offense, everything about his play has gotten better.

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Speaker 3: And so that's a real positive. When you said how

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Speaker 3: did the game start?

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Speaker 4: I could have turned it. Think about this.

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Speaker 3: He was up under center, which everybody in Chicago has

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Speaker 3: been screaming about.

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Speaker 4: The tailback.

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Speaker 3: Was that what I call a dotted position, you know

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Speaker 3: where he would be if it was a two bac

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Speaker 3: eye formation. They fake a running play, you see Caleb's

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Speaker 3: athletic ability on the move, and they throw the ball

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Speaker 3: the first round draft pick. I mean that was that

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Speaker 3: was enough for me to see right there. I could

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Speaker 3: have turned the TV office that I saw enough. Let's

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Speaker 3: get ready for the next game. So my point is

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Speaker 3: though that I think Ben really he understands that Caleb

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Speaker 3: is a good enough athlete that he's gonna have enough

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Speaker 3: movement plays for him. And at the same time we

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Speaker 3: saw it. Going into the third quarter, they had twenty

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Speaker 3: one runs in twenty nine passes, so they are going

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Speaker 3: to be balanced and run the football. If he does

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Speaker 3: those things, it's a quarterback friendly offense, and I think

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Speaker 3: Caleb can really excel in that type of environment.

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Speaker 1: But let's could I argue this that the backup Tyson

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Speaker 1: Bagent is a better fit actually for the offense that

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Speaker 1: Ben wants to run. He's not as talented, but you

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Speaker 1: could make an argument that if you had if and

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Speaker 1: again they're gonna play Caleb. This is not a quarterback controversy.

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Speaker 1: But my argument is when you the far even with

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Speaker 1: Mike Holmgrin Farv, could frustrate a coach that Caleb's style

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Speaker 1: coach is going to frustrate Ben Johnson at times.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that yet. I don't think anybody does. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and Benjing had a great camp. I mean if you

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Speaker 4: Day and I don't have The day I was up there,

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Speaker 3: I was Ryan Poles and Beju took him down the

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Speaker 3: field and scored a touchdown and I said to Ryan, well,

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Speaker 3: But I really think that keep in mind last night, Caleb, Okay,

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Speaker 3: That to me is what separates quarterbacks. Now, Caleb said, okay,

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Speaker 4: That's when he threw his incomplete.

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Speaker 3: Passes opening day against Minnesota Monday night, Brian Flores.

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Speaker 4: He is a lizz king.

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Speaker 3: So that's going to open up a whole nother light

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Speaker 3: for us to look at and say, Okay, Kenny handle

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Speaker 3: So I think that's going to probably be a big

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Speaker 4: Progress this first year.

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Speaker 1: Not only were you a head coach, you worked with

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Speaker 1: told you this privately, probably over a little Italian dinner

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Speaker 1: think Mike McDaniel's smart. I'm not doubting the smart thing.

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Speaker 1: But I need my head coach. I need him to

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Speaker 1: be a CEO, and I've been doubting him for a

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Speaker 1: the motion. But Miami's a hard place to win. As

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a distracted market. It's got perfect winter weather,

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Speaker 2: It gets loose very quickly there.

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe Mike McDaniel in boring Indianapolis right

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Speaker 1: think their cultures off. I don't like there. I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Miami is a little different you.

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Speaker 3: And obviously the thing that they didn't like about me,

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Speaker 3: I never got caught up in that because we were

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Speaker 3: a running team with Ricky Williams. He led the league

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Speaker 3: and run the ball. Miami was and we were winning games.

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Speaker 3: Miami almost sometimes seemed to be happier when they would lose.

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Speaker 3: When when they weren't running the ball Marina was throwing,

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Speaker 3: they'd lose thirty five thirty four, and people would say, well,

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Speaker 3: it was an exciting game. I mean, you know so,

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Speaker 3: so you're right. I mean the culture down here is

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Speaker 3: in charge of the running game at San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Go back two or three years ago, playoff game, I

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Speaker 3: Kids from Kansas State, I believe it was, and they

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Speaker 3: threw the ball with their thirteen quarterback. I think it

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Speaker 3: more than they ran it.

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Speaker 4: And they lost the Buffalo in that playoff game.

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Speaker 3: And that was a big red flag to me, big

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Speaker 3: red flag to me. And I think another way that

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Speaker 3: a coach can lose your team by what's happening on

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Speaker 3: the field. We're talking about the physicality, but also by

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Speaker 3: And last year, you know, with Tyreek Hill, I mean

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Speaker 4: Let's be real, you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: A lot of things had to happen for them to

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Speaker 3: Hill doesn't go win on the field the last two

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Speaker 3: they asked Mike, but well, what happened to Tyren? He says,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't I haven't talked to him yet.

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Speaker 4: Boy.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're a player that just doesn't give

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Speaker 3: you a you know, a good grasp. But you got

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Speaker 3: your hands around this thing. And I think it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, staff just sent this to me. Skyler Thompson threw

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Speaker 1: it forty five times in a playoff lost to Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I had said this, I think Shador Sanders

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Speaker 1: is probably more my cup of tea as a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's a legit six to two. He's accurately moves. I

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Speaker 1: don't like the celebrity stuff. Joe Flackall was named starter today.

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Speaker 1: Coach Parcels used to say, no celebrity quarterbacks, but I

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Speaker 1: think that ship has sailed some of these nil guys.

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Speaker 1: Cut Arch Manning is going to be a celebrity quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If you're a quarterback at you know, Michigan or Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: Are you? Would you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do with a situation? Do

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Speaker 1: you like schadur over Dylan Gabriel. Dylan's a little more serious,

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Speaker 1: Shad's a little more playful. What do you do in

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Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett was my pick to come out of this thing,

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Speaker 3: that thing has gone old. Sanders has the most talent

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Speaker 3: in my mind just watching them both play. As far

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Speaker 3: I don't think he is. I think Sanders is probably

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Speaker 3: your second best option. And Gabriel will he ever get better?

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Speaker 3: And that's the question mark. I think you know what's

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Speaker 3: the upside on Gabriel? And I loved him just like

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Speaker 3: guy had seventy five percent completions or whatever it was.

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Speaker 4: Can he improve? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's a real tough one. I try to keep the

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Speaker 1: So you didn't worry too much about you know, some

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Speaker 2: You try to just eliminate that.

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes you know that off the field stories

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Speaker 3: that's a tough one. That's a tough one because Gabriel

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Speaker 3: to play them both and.

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Speaker 4: See what falls.

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Speaker 3: Because the tough thing is flack those Probably it's going

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Speaker 7: Okay, speaking of teams with major issues, the Dolphins Strom

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Speaker 4: Good to us.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dave wants to hit on it.

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Speaker 7: that guy is in this upcoming cycle, even interested in

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Speaker 7: that gig.

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Speaker 1: Well, Miami is If you've never been to Miami, it's

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Speaker 1: one of one in America.

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Speaker 2: It's very international.

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Speaker 1: I've said before, if every Super Bowl the rest of

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Speaker 1: my life was in Miami, I'd sign up for today.

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Speaker 1: I think it is the super Bowl. Ocean Avenue, Collins

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Speaker 1: Avenue International. You can go eat Argentinian food one now night,

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Speaker 1: Chilean food the next. It's an amazing city, but the

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Speaker 1: culture is distracted. The people are beautiful. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the best beaches in America. There's money in maseraties everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and you got a bunch of twenty four year old players.

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Speaker 1: So when Wanstat was winning there, Wanstatt was considered, you know,

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Speaker 1: boring defense, run game physicality. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if people know this. When Wanstat was in Miami through

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Speaker 1: his first three or four years, he had a better

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Speaker 1: record than Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh. But Pittsburgh is an

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Speaker 1: easier place to coach, right, There's less to do, So

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Speaker 1: I think Miami not only takes a good coach, it

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Speaker 1: takes a certain type of person out Tom Coughlin could

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Speaker 1: have one in Miami, Tom, I mean, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores did turn the culture around, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: get along with the quarterback and he rubbed people the

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Speaker 1: wrong way. I think you need more Brian Flores Ish

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Speaker 1: than Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: Pro player ish.

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Speaker 7: I got a name for you, and I could see

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Speaker 7: their owner, who's gone after big name guys before.

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Speaker 4: Remember he tried to get Harbaugh. Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, was their assistant coach with Nick Saban way back

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Speaker 7: in the day. Maybe he's a little tired of this

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Speaker 7: nil and everything in college football. I could see that

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Speaker 7: because a bunch of the top assistants might not be interested.

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Speaker 7: They go other places.

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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart, keep an eye.

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Speaker 6: On that one.

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Speaker 7: I could see that one taking place. Okay, the forty

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Speaker 7: nine ers seemed to be a pretty well run operation.

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Speaker 7: Obviously last season was a disaster with the injury San Francisco.

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Speaker 7: They're already dealing with some injuries at the wide receiver position. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: I you had the bad knee injury. But Brock Perdy

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Speaker 7: and the former first round of Ricky Piersall connection looked very,

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Speaker 7: very good against the Raiders. They linked up three times

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Speaker 7: forty two yards, and Purdy discussed the mystery with his

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Speaker 7: young wide receiver.

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Speaker 10: We watched a lot of stuffrom last year too, and

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Speaker 10: understanding like where we both need to be better when

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Speaker 10: you know, obviously I'm throwing to him, and I think

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Speaker 10: we honed in on some on some things this year

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Speaker 10: in camp and then in the game. Man, we just

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Speaker 10: go out there and I feel like it's pretty natural

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Speaker 10: just both of us are chemistry and everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Pearsol is An't he of view this

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Speaker 1: sort of a yard after the catch guy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's a physical guy with the ball

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Speaker 7: in his hands, but he can run.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's fast, but that's Shanahan's mantra. What he

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Speaker 1: loves loves the yards. I'll get you open, catch it

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Speaker 1: and break tackles.

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Speaker 7: Listen, Deebo a couple of years ago had one of

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Speaker 7: the coolest, most unique seasons we've ever seen. But he's

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Speaker 7: not a great wide receiver. He's just a great football player.

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Speaker 7: This guy is a true wide receiver. Him and perty

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Speaker 7: have some early, you know, chemistry. They didn't draft him

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Speaker 7: in the first round. It's not like this is like

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Speaker 7: some fits round fine. I mean, they used their first

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Speaker 7: first round pick since the Trey Lance trade, so they

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Speaker 7: hadn't had one in years, and they used it on him,

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Speaker 7: and the expectations are pretty high.

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Speaker 1: H John Middlecoff with the News, Well, that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stupping by the Heard Line News Good

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Speaker 1: Show Today. Dave Wanstadt and Matt Hasselbeck both stopped by.

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Speaker 1: No I thought, you know, Dave has got great stories.

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Speaker 1: I think he's brutally honest. Is that the times I've

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Speaker 1: talked to Dave about he loved coaching in Chicago. He

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Speaker 1: still lives there, absolutely loved it. I think Chicago's one

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Speaker 1: of those cities I would call loud Philadelphia Boston, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco media can be loud.

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Speaker 2: La is not as loud.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of laid back. Dallas media can be loud.

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Speaker 1: Where you get into these cities and it's it's almost cultural.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a strong coach, a definitive coach.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something that has happened in the league.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about it at nauseum and it bores people

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Speaker 1: to death, so I don't talk about it too much.

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Speaker 1: But not only are offensive co coaches better with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: they're better with offensive lines. I've seen McVeigh rebuild the

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Speaker 1: Rams O line three times. Andy Reid's done it in

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Speaker 1: an offseason two to three times. And I think when

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson came to Chicago, Drew Dolman, Joe Tooney, Jonah

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Speaker 1: Jackson his first and then draft the left tackle. They

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Speaker 1: want to get the O line right, because that's what

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Speaker 1: happened in Detroit when Ben Johnson was there. Let's get

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Speaker 1: the old line right. A. You're protecting your number one asset. B.

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Speaker 1: Everything works when the old line is strong. So I

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Speaker 1: mean Sean Payton immediately fixed a messy offensive line. He

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Speaker 1: had Garrett Bowles at left tackle and he went out

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Speaker 1: and spent some money. Some thought he overspent for the

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Speaker 1: right tackle from San Francisco McGlinchey. But his whole take was,

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Speaker 1: if we don't get the on line right. See the

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches prioritize O lines because it's the insurance policy

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Speaker 1: for your quarterback. So I look at Ben Johnson and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, forget Caleb. He got the online right, the

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Speaker 1: play calling will be better. He and Caleb may not

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Speaker 1: be perfect stylistically. You know, Dave goes to the Bears practices.

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Speaker 1: Here's Dave wants. That's thoughts on Caleb earlier.

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Speaker 3: I think Ben really he understands that Caleb is a

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Speaker 3: good enough athlete and he's going to have enough movement

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Speaker 3: plays for him. And at the same time, we saw

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Speaker 3: it going into the third quarter, they had twenty one

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Speaker 3: runs in twenty nine passes, so they are going to

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Speaker 3: be balanced and run the football. If he does those things,

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Speaker 3: it's a quarterback friendly offense, and I think Caleb can

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Speaker 3: really excel in that type of environment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think the best friend to the quarterback early is

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach and a consistent run game. And I

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Speaker 1: think I think all the offensive coaches get it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: remember the criticism the Lions got for drafting Jamiir Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: and like four games in we're like, yeah, that worked

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Speaker 1: that And now they have was at Montgomery and Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: So now they have a two prong run game, which

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Speaker 1: two different types of running backs. So I just think

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Speaker 1: when I watch Ben Johnson he's doing, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the next great offensive coach because all his

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Speaker 1: moves look like McVeigh and Peyton. And I mean, right

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Speaker 1: now in the offseason, what have we said about the Vikings. Man,

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Speaker 1: if you looked at their offensive line, like the offensive coaches,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about quarterback, it's they They are better

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Speaker 1: with the O line almost as a rule. That's why

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Speaker 1: Brian Dabele has not done a great job with the

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Speaker 1: O line. That's you could be a knock on him

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Speaker 1: as that's the one thing about da Ball I have

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Speaker 1: questions about.

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Speaker 2: Why is the Giants O line never good enough?

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Broncos my staff just sent this

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Speaker 1: have the second highest rated O line going into the season.

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Speaker 2: It was a mess when he arrived.

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Speaker 7: I think a lot of offensive coordinators get jobs when

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Speaker 7: they go work with a really good quarterback, and they

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Speaker 7: may be a stint for one or two years. He

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Speaker 7: showed up in Detroit. I think he was the tight

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Speaker 7: ends coach at first, because remember Anthony Lynn was the

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Speaker 7: offensive coordinator. But he saw it from the ground floor

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Speaker 7: and he saw them build it up, and obviously he

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Speaker 7: was a big part of it. But he got to

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Speaker 7: witness in all those staff meetings and all those drafts

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Speaker 7: like he was a part of Like we got a

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Speaker 7: startup from nothing.

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Speaker 4: They were a joke, not just.

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Speaker 2: Of the NFL but in all of professional sports.

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Speaker 7: So he's kind of uniquely equipped to have a lot

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Speaker 7: of perspective even though a stardom. I would say his

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Speaker 7: rise over the last couple of years was kind of

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Speaker 7: like a rocket ship. But he saw the lowest of

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Speaker 7: lows in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Well, they were one of the more entertaining offenses in

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Speaker 1: the league. With Jared Goff as their quarterback, who's not

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Speaker 1: a wildly athletic quarterback. You could not wait to watch

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Speaker 1: Lion Dames tricks, the tempo, they gave you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything. So now just add Kayleb Williams athleticism

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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 4: It's the hurt