1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: May fourteenth, nineteen ninety two, started as a normal Thursday 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: for Aeron Shellman. He called up a few of his 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: buddies to hang Andre, Floyd and Antonio. Floyd came by 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: in his car and they all headed out to get haircuts, 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: pick up some liquor, and bounce around Detroit. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: We had fun, we laughed, we joked. All of those 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: things happened. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Eron was driving Floyd's car with Antonio beside him in 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: the passenger seat and Floyd and Andre in the back. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Suddenly he heard a loud bang. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: And it startled me to a degree where I almost 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: crashed the car. And as I was trying to stop 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: the car and gain that back, Antonio leaned over and 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: fell into my lap. I have my dearest friend laying 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: in my lap, bleeding out the back of his head. 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Antonio was dead. The man who shot him confessed to 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: police and gave a full statement. 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: And he said, you know, I just lost it. I 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: didn't even think about it. I just took the gun 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: and I just shot him. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: But Iron was arrested, charged and tried for his murder, 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: and in the end, Iron was the one who was convicted. 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm Iron Shelman. I've served thirty years nine months in 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: prison for first degree murder that I didn't do. 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: From lava for good. This is wrongful conviction with Maggie 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: Freeling today, Iron Shellman Iaron Shellman was born in Detroit 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two. 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I grew up on the inner city Detroit, Michigan. 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: Mother was a Desiree Shelman and my father was a 30 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: Theodore Right. My mother did a bunch of stuff early on. 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: She worked at at and T for a spell, and 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: she worked at Blue Cross and Blue Shield for a spell. 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: My father was in and out of correctional facilities. 34 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: So your mom pretty much raised you by herself. 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with a handful of cousins and family members 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: and stuff that you know also participated in the rearing 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: of me. I have one sibling, she's ten years younger 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: than I am. I have a host of cousins. They 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: all think that they're my brothers and sisters. 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: How would you describe Aeron overall? 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: I would say, if I had to give it words, 42 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: gentle giant. Right. 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: This is Aeron's cousin Sonya Shulman. She's nine years younger 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: than Aaron. 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes when you see people who are larger in stature, 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: you have a sense of intimidation. And that has never 47 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: been that with him because he's always had a very 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: soft voice, and so his words always came out really 49 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: soft and graceful and kind. But when it was time 50 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: to be protective, you could hear change, Right, don't do that, 51 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: put that down, You're gonna get in trouble. You know, 52 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 4: those sorts of things. Growing up, it was just like that. 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 4: So because we have a small yet close knit family, 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: everyone operated in a way that felt in a protective. 55 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: Measure sort of way. 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: So the older cousins or you know, of that nature 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: hovered over all of the younger ones such as myself, 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: in a way that felt very brotherly and sisterly. 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandfather, you know, he would give us a 60 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: few dollars every weekend and we would all pile into 61 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: city bus and catch the bus downtown and watch Kom 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: Foo movies when we were children. 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: What movies do you remember? 64 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: Oh, we watched all of all of the Komfoo movies. 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: It Fox, you know, we were kids, like late seventies, 66 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: early eighties. It was fans of the guys with the rings. 67 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Firstly, that's who it was, right, Okay. 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. 69 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: Although his extended family was always there for him, Iron's 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: home life was unstable. 71 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: You know, again, I'm pretty young, but you know, all 72 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: signs showed that, you know, it was drug abuse and 73 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: those types of things that were happening in the home. 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Aron spent less and less time at home, more and 75 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: more time out in the streets. Before long he was 76 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: starting to get in trouble. 77 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: You know, typical story. As the household deteriorates, and you 78 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: know it's no real real person that's making you do 79 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: this or making you do that. You know, so you 80 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: tend to start running with people that you should. 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: And so what was that in your neighborhood? What was 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: going on? 83 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: It was a lot. It just was it was, you know, 84 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: guys that did this and guys that did that, drug dealing, 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: you know, breaking in houses. I was away a lot, 86 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: you know, juvenile delinquency, youth homes, training schools and such. 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: How much of your childhood do you think you spent 88 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: in some sort of facility or incarceration. 89 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: I'm fifty one years old, and last I tried to 90 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: do the math, I think I may have spent maybe 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: fourteen years free. 92 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: Do you think growing up with your dad in prison, 93 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: had any effective on how you kind of chose to 94 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: live your life. 95 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: Must have right, like you know, like my grandfather, he 96 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: chipped in, He did the best he could. He worked 97 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: a lot and such, but he come by every day 98 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: and check on me and spend a few minutes with 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: me a day. But for a child like me, and 100 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: you know that was going through all that type of 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: family drama, you kind of want a strong individual. You 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: long for father figure right to teach you, you know, 103 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: what not to do and what to do. 104 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: So you have these friends, you're kind of living this 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: little bit of street life getting into some trouble. Can 106 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: you tell me about your relationship with Andre Rice and 107 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: Antonio Knight. 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Both of them was real, real good friends of mine personally, 109 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: Like we grew up as like really really good friends 110 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: at those ages. At the thirteen and fourteen, I lived 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: on a street with Antonio from the age of twelve thirteen. 112 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: We caught the same bus to school for like many years, 113 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: I spent I spent nights over their house. I ate 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: at their house, you know, when my mother was kind 115 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: of going through her things, you know, and we weren't 116 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: guaranteed to have a home cooked meal there. I would 117 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: go over Antonio's house and his mother Darlene, and his 118 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: kind grandmother and them. They would feed me all the time. 119 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: What was Antonio like early on? 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: He was like us pretty much, you know, kid trying 121 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: to find his way right, trying to figure out which 122 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: side of the tracks he's going to fall on, you know. 123 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: And as I would come back to the neighborhood, as 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: I was released from this facility or I would get 125 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: a break from that foster home, I seen the change 126 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: in it that it shifts. It was never really wholesome, 127 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: but it stopped being that and more street. 128 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: And then tell me about Andre. You said you were 129 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: really close with him. 130 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was kind of like a kid brother. You know. 131 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: We would go out and dance and like a little 132 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: light partying and such, you know, nothing really crazy, but 133 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: you know, he went to school every day, and he 134 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: had a strong mother influence wouldn't allow him. Yeah. Yeah, 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: she was really you know, big with church and you know, 136 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: and that type of stuff, so she really wouldn't let 137 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 2: him veer off too much. 138 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: In May of nineteen ninety two, Ieron was nineteen years old. 139 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: He was still hanging out with Andre and Antonio, who 140 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: also went by the name Tone, as well as some 141 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: of the other neighborhood guys. One Thursday morning, Ieron decided 142 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: he needed a haircut, and Tone wanted to come along. 143 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: Eron called up his friend Ken, who ran a barber 144 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: shop at his house, and Ken said, sure, come on by. 145 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: So we called Floyd, which was my buddy, you know 146 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and he would drive us. So he 147 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: pulled up and picked me up, and we started to 148 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: accumulate more and more people. 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Ieron, Floyd, Pennington, and Andre headed over to Antonio's to 150 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: pick him up, and Eeron went inside to get him 151 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: while he chatted with Tones's grandmother and little sister. 152 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: It was really just me being goofy with the kid's sister, 153 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: and grandmother said something or another to me, you know, 154 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: y'all be careful, y'all, you know, stay out of trouble. 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: You know. She was big on that. 156 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Type of The four of them went over to Ken's 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: and got haircuts, then drove around in Floyd's dodge for 158 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: most of the day. 159 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,239 Speaker 2: I don't recall who was sitting where first, but I 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: drove because I didn't drink as much as them. Throughout 161 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: the day, they were shifting in the seats. We made 162 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: a couple of stops including like liquor stores, the barbershop, something. 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: To eat, and they did at one point stop at 164 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: Montese Bell's house, so that's Aaron's cousin. They stopped there 165 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: and chatted for a couple of minutes. 166 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: This is Rachel Wolf, Aaron's post conviction attorney. 167 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: Montes out of this, I'm like, hey, guys, like what 168 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: are you doing? Like where are you going? And that's 169 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: when Ieron apparently said, we're you take tone out or 170 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: we're going to take tone out. 171 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: At some point that day, Andrea and Antonio may have 172 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: gotten into some kind of disagreement, but if there was 173 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: anything wrong between them, Eron was unaware of it. 174 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: I was in and out of a car, going in 175 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: and out of cousins house, talked to him back in, 176 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: so I don't know the full between those two. When 177 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: we traveled back up towards Antonio's house, it was kind 178 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: of quiet from Andre, but everyone else was still in 179 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: the mode that they were in. We laughed, we joked, 180 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: you know, all of those things happened. 181 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: Eron was driving with Antonio in the passenger seat beside him, 182 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: Floyd was sitting in the back seat behind Tone, and 183 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: Andre was sitting behind Eron. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Eron 184 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: heard a loud bang. 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: And and it startled me to a degree where I 186 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: almost crashed the car. And as I was trying to 187 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: stop the car and gain that back, Antonio leaned over 188 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: and fell into my lap. I looked back, I seen 189 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: the faces of Floyd and Andre, and I had my 190 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: my dearest friend laying in my lap, bleeding out the 191 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: back of his head. 192 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Do you remember if anyone was like, what the hell 193 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: just happens? 194 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 4: Like? 195 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: What did you do? 196 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone really screamed out, I really don't. 197 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: I think it was what now, right? I think I 198 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: think that that's that's the emotion. What now? Like you 199 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: know what to do? What what happens? Now? Right? 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: So what did you do? 201 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: I drove, I stopped here, I stopped there, and before 202 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: long we were in an alley like maybe two three 203 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: blocks away. They told me to stop. The gun was 204 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: still in his hand, you know, it was pull over here. 205 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: Stopped the car. 206 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: Andre and Floyd pulled Antonio's body out of the car 207 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: and left it there in the alley, and then Eron drove. 208 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: I was just so scared, you know, I didn't want 209 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: to be the one that was labeled to snitch or 210 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: any of that. 211 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: So they found the body in the alleyway. I believe 212 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: somebody who ran a shop nearby in the area found 213 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: the body in the alley and called the police. 214 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: An autopsy showed that Tone had died of a single 215 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the back of his head. Almost immediately, 216 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: the Detroit police were out looking for the killer, and 217 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: a number of suspects were rounded up for questioning. 218 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: I do know that they arrested at least three people 219 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: who were, you know, maybe witnesses. They suspected that these 220 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: three individuals, as Montes Bell and then this other woman, 221 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 3: Barbara Meyer and her boyfriend William Logan, were all arrested, 222 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: charged with the homicide, and then held for many hours 223 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: before they ultimately gave statements. I don't know exactly how 224 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: Iron and Andre initially became suspects, but I can wager 225 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: I guess that they spoke to Antonio Knight's grandmother, who 226 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: ultimately did come in and testify at trial because she 227 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: had seen these four men in the car together hours 228 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: before Tone died. 229 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: A few weeks later, Andre Rice was arrested as well. 230 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Eron was still laying low. 231 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: You know, I'm nineteen years old. I'm ducking in the 232 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: dodge and I only really came out once I found 233 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: out that they had arrested On, so I kind of 234 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: let my guard down after that. I'm like, oh, okaye, 235 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: police arrested it, like you know, it's over with. 236 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: Right, But it wasn't over. The statements from Montez, William 237 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: and Barbara, along with Tone's grandmother, had placed Iran in 238 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the car when Tone was shot, and the investigation was 239 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: now focused on him and Andre. Before long, the police 240 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: found him at his cousin's house and took him down 241 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: to the station. 242 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: I didn't speak to him. They took me back to 243 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: the sale for hours. When I come back down, they 244 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: had a confession from Andre. So what he told me? 245 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: He showed me a paper with a signature on it 246 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: said he had everything he needed. And I said, well, 247 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: if you got everything you needed, you got a confession, 248 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: surely I can go, right. Was it the case? They 249 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: said they needed me to put some nails in the 250 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: coffin nothing and to pull Floyd into it. I said, 251 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: I don't know nothing. 252 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: On June thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, Andre Rice confessed to 253 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: shooting Antonio. He told the police that Aeron and Floyd 254 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: had no idea it was going to happen, and they 255 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. 256 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: What Andrea says is that Tone had been threatening him 257 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: and threatening his family, and so Andre says he had 258 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: been drinking, and he said he was sitting there and thinking, 259 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: this guy's going to hurt my family. It's totally unprovoked. 260 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: You know, I just I just lost it. I didn't 261 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: even think about it. I just took the gun and 262 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: I just shot him. 263 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: So you stay quiet, he confesses, How do you think 264 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: you got involved in this? 265 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: I was tied to it either way, right, So I 266 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: just assumed that since I didn't help anybody, and I 267 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: didn't help the investigation, I would be thrown in somehow, right, 268 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. I don't know, you know, 269 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: at the time, I didn't. I surely didn't think that 270 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: it would garner me a first degree murder conviction and 271 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: send me away for thirty plus years. 272 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling. You can 273 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: listen to this and all the Lava for Good Podcasts 274 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: one week early and ad free by subscribing to Lava 275 00:16:48,240 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. On June seventeenth, nineteen 276 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: ninety two, Ivon Shellman and Andre Rice were both charged 277 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: with first degree premeditated murder. Their trial started six months later. 278 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: The trial was actually pretty short. It ran over the 279 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: course of five days December seventeenth through the twenty third 280 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety two. They were tried together, Andre and Ieron, 281 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: but they had separate juries. 282 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: The judge was Via Massey Jones and the prosecutor was 283 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: Lisa Lindsay. Ivon's defense attorney was Paul Curtis and Andre's 284 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: attorney was Jeffrey Edison. 285 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: He was partners with Paul Curtis. They were law partners. 286 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: They were operating out of the same office. There is 287 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: a potential conflict of interest there. 288 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: But the trial moved forward with very little to go on. 289 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: There was no physical evidence for the state to present. 290 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: They never found a murder weapon in the case. According 291 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: to the police, they never found the car. Floyd went 292 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: away with the car. The car was never seen again, 293 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: so they couldn't fingerprint it or do anything like that. 294 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: The prosecution's few witnesses included a medical examiner and one 295 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: of the police officers. 296 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: And then there was Antonio. Knight's grandmother came in and 297 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: testified about what had happened when they came to pick Antonio. 298 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: Up that day. 299 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: In what she saw, there were three people in the vehicle, 300 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: well for if you count Antonio himself. One of them 301 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: was never charged, never arrested, never interviewed. 302 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: That was Floyd Pennington, the owner of the car. 303 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: He was the one white man in the car, which 304 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: I also find interesting. You know, so their only evidence 305 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: that Iran was guilty was this testimony of his cousin. 306 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Montes Bell was the state star witness. He was the 307 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: one who said Iran had told him they were going 308 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: to take Tone out. 309 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: He was the one that was going to make a difference, 310 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: and his testimony was incredible. There were lots of ways 311 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: to impeach him and discredit him, just using conflicts in 312 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: his own testimony, conflicts between what he said a trial 313 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: and at the exam, the fact that he had charges pending, 314 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: the fact that he was facing the homicide charge initially, 315 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 3: so he just the trial attorney really just focused on 316 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: cross examination. 317 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: Did the police convince anyone to testify against him that 318 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: maybe made something up. 319 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I will say that one of the 320 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: investigators on the case, her name was Barbara Simon, has 321 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 3: been alleged in several other cases of pressuring witnesses eliciting 322 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: fabricated testimony. So it's possible, and especially knowing what we 323 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: do about the Detroit Police Department at that time, it's possible. 324 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: Barbara Meyer said straight up that she gave them seven 325 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: different statements and they would not release her until she 326 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: gave the one that they wanted her to and she 327 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: said at that point, I would have done anything to 328 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: get out of there. It's one of the worst places 329 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: I've ever been, and I hear that a lot. 330 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: Now. 331 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: To understand what happened next, it's important to know how 332 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: the trial was conducted. Ivon and Andre were co defendants, 333 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: and they were tried together before the same judge and prosecutor, 334 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: but they had two separate defense attorneys and two separate juries. 335 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: So the way they do that is, you know, they'll 336 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: do partial testimony from one witness. They'll present the things 337 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: in front of each jury while the other jury is 338 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: out of the courtroom, and anything that pertains to both cases. 339 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: They'll have both juries in the courtroom. It's something they 340 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: do a lot to save time. 341 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: This means that potentially each jury could get a very 342 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: different picture of the same set of events. 343 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 3: Andre didn't testify at the trial, but they had a 344 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: police officer take the stand and read his initial statement 345 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: into the record. This is the very first version of 346 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 3: events he told police. You know, he went in there. 347 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: They interviewed him. He said, we were all in the car. 348 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: I shot him. The other two people in the car 349 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: with me didn't know anything about it. I didn't even 350 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: think about it. I just acted right. That same evidence 351 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: was not presented to mister Shelman's jury ever. 352 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: He was convicted. First, he was charged with first degree 353 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: murder and felony firearm. They reduced his to second degree 354 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: murder with felony firearm, and they just left me at 355 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: first degree murder. 356 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: And in this case, Andre I believe got twenty five 357 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 3: to sixty years was his sentence. 358 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: I just I'm just still wondering how that happened, because 359 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: it isn't it true that Andre also said, like, you 360 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: were not involved, you didn't know anything. 361 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: But that information was never read in my trial. Jury 362 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: never heard that the jury only heard that I was 363 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 2: a bad kid and I went picked my buddy up 364 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: and something terrible happened to him. If you only hear 365 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: a certain side, it's all you can make your opinion. 366 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: And so I don't I don't blame him at all. 367 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: So, because the jury had not heard the evidence that 368 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: allowed Andre Rice's jury to say, oh, there was no 369 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: premeditation and deliberation, Ieron Shulman's jury did not have any idea. 370 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: They didn't hear Andre's statement. So if they believed that 371 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: he was involved, even in the slightest they believed they 372 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 3: were looking yet something that was the first degree homicide. 373 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 3: That's the charge that was put to them, right, and 374 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 3: they found him guilty of it. In Michigan, if you're 375 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 3: convicted of homicide, either as the principal or as an 376 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: aider and a better there is a mandatory life without 377 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 3: parole sentence, and you're gonna die. You're going to die 378 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: in prison. It means life in Michigan. 379 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: So Rice got a lesser sentence. I know that you 380 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: explained a little bit of that because of the testimony 381 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: that was not allowed into Eeron's trial. But that was 382 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: not a Brady violation. Correct. It was not hidden. The 383 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: defense attorney just did not. 384 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: The defense attorney knew about it, you know, and it's 385 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know. We interviewed Paul Curtis, we 386 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: called him at the evidentiary hearing to explain his reasoning, 387 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: and the only reason he gave was that he assumed 388 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: Andre Rice would plead the fifth and just refuse to testify, 389 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: and so what was the point of talking to him? 390 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: And when I asked him, well, why wouldn't you use 391 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: this statement? He didn't need Andre He really didn't have 392 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: an answer. 393 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: When you're sitting at trial and they present this for 394 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: andre and then not for you, did you say to 395 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: your defense attorney, like, what is going on? Why isn't 396 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: this coming into my trial? 397 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: I didn't have a clue. I didn't have a clothe No, no, 398 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: nineteen year old No. I really believed that like someone 399 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: would see the truth, right, that's what you hope, right, 400 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: you hoped it like like, you know, you got me 401 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 2: down for a murder. I don't have a gun possession 402 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: to nothing. It's just a murder, right, and you have 403 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: the other guy down for the murder and the gun, 404 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: and you're assuming that like someone will say, like, because 405 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: what was his involvement then? Right? You know, so just 406 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: didn't happen for me. Prison is like a microcosm of 407 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: like the worst of the worst, That's what That's what 408 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: I think prison is. You know, you got your elements 409 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 2: that's really bad and terrible, and then you got maybe 410 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: a little bit of a sentil of goodness, right, And 411 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: it's up to you which side you want to you know, 412 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: attach yourself to when you go to prison. The older 413 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: guys that tell you it's sheeping, its wolves in here, 414 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: which one you want to be? Right? So you know, 415 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: twenty years I was twenty by the time I was sentenced. 416 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: I was twenty years old. I'm in prison. I have 417 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: a life sentence. So I didn't make the best decisions 418 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: early on. Right, I fought a lot. I wanted to 419 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: prove myself a lot. I found myself in those headspaces. Right. 420 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: Sonya was just ten years old when her beloved cousin Aeron, 421 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: the gentle giant who watched over her, went to prison. 422 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: It was a milestone, and not in a good way 423 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 4: for our family. The impact was felt through the entire 424 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: family unit and it was visceral. You could see it. 425 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: People changed, things changed. It was a loss. It was 426 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: a grief and loss experience for the family. 427 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: And you know, he mentioned we talked about how he 428 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: was in and out of some foster homes, juvenile detention. 429 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: He got in a lot of trouble when he gets 430 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: charged with murder. Was that surprising to everyone? 431 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: It was? 432 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: It was he was nineteen, we went to prison, right, 433 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: there were teenage things, you know, joy riding or you know, 434 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: running away from home, or we can't find you for 435 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: a week because you're hiding with a lady or a 436 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 4: girl or whatever. You know, you never heard of violence, 437 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 4: not from the gentle giant, right, So that was a 438 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 4: major shock to our family. 439 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: Did everyone believe in his innocence at first or was 440 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: there everyone did? 441 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 442 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 4: That was it was clear because we know him, we 443 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: know him. So part of that grief and loss also 444 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: included that charge. And persons were not able to articulate 445 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 4: what that meant and how we disagreed or how we 446 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 4: couldn't even imagine something like that could happen. We didn't 447 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 4: have a skill set. The adults lost their ability to 448 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: rationally behave emotionally. You saw lots of crying and anger 449 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 4: and who missed court and who went to court? And 450 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 4: who should be finding money? And what should we be doing? 451 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: It became a different family dynamic altogether. How do you 452 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 4: pay for this? 453 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: What do you do? 454 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: Where do we go? That shift was painful to watch. 455 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 456 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: After the initial shock, the family rallied together to support Eron, 457 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: and as Sonia grew older, she took on more of 458 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: a role in his fight for innocence. 459 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 4: Our relationship began to get very strong in my teen years, 460 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: and so I would ask him questions and he would 461 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: say things like you're smart enough to handle this. And 462 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: so he would like tell me what he was doing 463 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 4: in appeals and send me what he had and I 464 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: would read and so I knew. I knew early on 465 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: about the confession. 466 00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, So at what point did things start to change 467 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 5: for you in prison? 468 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember when that was my last? 469 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 2: Like seventeen eighteen years were without incident? Right? In fact, 470 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: my last eleven years. In three months, I was a 471 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: member of the TGII dog program where I helped train 472 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: rescue greyhounds. 473 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 474 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: So I did that, but it allowed me time to 475 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: really get back into my case and research some other 476 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: avenues of my case. And that's what we did, me 477 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: and a fellow inmate. You know, we started going back 478 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: through it and kind of looking at it from a 479 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: different vantage point, and we kind of stumble up on 480 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: a couple of things. 481 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: So he filed his post conviction motion for a leaf 482 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: from judgment in twenty seventeen. He had written it himself 483 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: and maybe he had the help of a legal writer 484 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: or something. He had written it. They held his cases 485 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: called in advance. The judge didn't decide it, referred it 486 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: to the Wayne County Conviction Integrity Unit, that's the Prosecutor's 487 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: office's own division to review these cases. 488 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: Around that time, Aaron heard about Rachel from a fellow 489 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: prisoner and he reached out to her. She had just 490 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: started her own practice. 491 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: So Ereon's case was one of my very first cases. 492 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: It was the first case that I filed in the 493 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: Wayne County Circuit Court under the name Wolf Law. So 494 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: it's been a long road together for both of us. 495 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: The first thing that Rachel did was to sit down 496 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: and go through Airon's trial transcripts to see if she 497 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: could uncover a basis for a new trial. 498 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: So when I read a trial transcript, I'm looking for 499 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: all of the things the jury would have been looking 500 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: at all the things the prosecutor argued to prove guilt. 501 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: And in some cases there is a ton of evidence. 502 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: You know, there's video evidence, there's DNA evidence, there's multiple eyewitnesses. 503 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: In this case, we have none of those. There's zero 504 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: physical evidence in this case. So their only evidence that 505 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: Iran was guilty was this testimony of his cousin, Montes Bell, 506 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: and his testimony itself was about hearsay statements. He said, Oh, 507 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: Iran told me that he was there. Iron said we're 508 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: going to take Tone out. So yes, he testified on 509 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: the stand. I took that to mean they were going 510 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: to kill him. So the prosecutor's case was an aiding 511 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 3: and a betting theory. So they argued throughout that Andre 512 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: was the shooter. There was never really any question about that. 513 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: Their argument was that Iran took part in the planning 514 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: of the operation. 515 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: Is that because he said we're going to take Tone out? Yes, yes, 516 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, okay. 517 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: Which Iron later explained at the he testified at the 518 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 3: vdentiary hearing we had later and explained He's like, no, 519 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: I you know, we're going to take Tone out, like 520 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: we're going to go do something. We're going to go 521 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: to the club, you know, something like that. So the 522 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: two statements they had that Aaron apparently made that montes 523 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 3: Bell said he made, were both also ambiguous. 524 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: Rachel foiled a motion for a new trial based on 525 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: actual innocence, ineffective assistance of counsel, and newly discovered evidence. 526 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Their investigation had uncovered several new witnesses who testified on 527 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Eiron's behalf. When was a woman named Jennifer Palmer. 528 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: She had had several conversations with Montesbell in which he 529 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: admitted that he knew Iran had not been involved, and 530 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 3: he knew that Iron wasn't going to be convicted because 531 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: Eron never had anything to do with it. So direct 532 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: impeachment evidence against Montesbell their main witness. 533 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: And there's someone else who testified on Eiron's behalf, someone 534 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: who knows the truth about what happened that day, Andre Rice. Andre, 535 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: you remember, had gotten a lesser sentence twenty five to 536 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: sixty years, and thanks to good behavior, he was released 537 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: after serving less than twenty five years of that and 538 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: he had already tried to help Eron. 539 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: Andre Rice has been out for over a decade after 540 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: he was released, he wrote up an affidavit. So when 541 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: Eiron filed his own motion and wrote it himself, it 542 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: was based on Andre's affidavit. And Andrea is also the 543 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: one that went to the Wayne County Conviction Integrity Unit 544 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: and said, hey, you know, I know this man is 545 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: in prison. I'm the one that committed this crime. Please 546 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: look into this case. The challenge for Andre is that 547 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: in order to get a new trial, you have to 548 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: have new evidence. 549 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: Since Andre's confession had been presented at the time of trial, 550 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: it was not considered new evidence when Eiron filed his appeal. 551 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: If there is a new trial, Andre's testimony can and 552 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: will be presented at that new trial. And so when 553 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: the judge is looking at, Okay, what's the evidence we're 554 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: going to have on retrial? Is there a chance that 555 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 3: the outcome will be different? She does get to consider 556 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: what Andre has to say, but his testimony alone was 557 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 3: not going to be enough legally for us to argue 558 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: that Airon was innocent deserved a new trial. He'd been 559 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: wrongfully convicted. 560 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: Fortunately, when she reviewed the new evidence, Judge Shannon Walker 561 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: found it credible, and in January of twenty twenty three, 562 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: she vacated Eiron's conviction and ordered a new trial. Two 563 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: months later, Airon was officially released from prison after nearly 564 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: three decades. Eiron soon found work at a chemical plant 565 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: and got his own apartment. He still has to wear 566 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: a GPS monitor and stick to a curfew, but he's 567 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: been enjoying getting to know his three adult children and 568 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: their families. 569 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: They were all Goobris then when I went to prison. 570 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: One was barely what six months, and that was my 571 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: youngest son, Aaron, and his sister Alex and my oldest 572 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: son Xavier. They were like almost three four when I 573 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 2: went to prison. I went in when I was nineteen 574 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: years old. I was a kid, like I'm fifty one 575 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 2: years old now, right. It's crazy sometimes when I look 576 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: at myself in the mirror and I see my grandfather right, 577 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Like I'm gray now and I'm more laid back. It's 578 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 2: just a different experience, you know, I'm looking at life 579 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: through different lenses. 580 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Ieron's journey isn't over yet. In August of twenty 581 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: twenty three, Wayne County prosecutors appeal to the court's decision 582 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: to grant him a new trial. 583 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: What happens in these cases that are thirty years old. 584 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 3: Is that when a new trial is granted, you know, 585 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 3: they lose witnesses. Montees Bell is deceased, Antonio Knight's grandmother 586 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 3: is no longer available, And what happens is the prosecutor's 587 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: office is facing the possibility that they won't be able 588 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 3: to retry him at all. 589 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: But if the court order is reversed and the conviction 590 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: is reinstated, there's still the possibility that Ireon could be 591 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: sent back. 592 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: And it's terrifying. We're terrified. It is extremely likely that 593 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: they will order mister Shellman to report to the Michigan 594 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: Department of Corrections and go back to incarceration. While we 595 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 3: then would need to file another motion for a leaf 596 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 3: from judgment or ask the court to reconsider the issues 597 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 3: that she didn't address in her first ruling. 598 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: Are you worried about potentially going back? 599 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 2: I'm of the mindset now that if this all turns 600 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: out to be like a great vacation from what I 601 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 2: had been living for almost thirty one years, I'm okay 602 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: with that too. The sent God's chants to me, so 603 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't stress anymore about it as much as I 604 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 2: did early on and again I'm thankful for the opportunity 605 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: to come out and rejoin society at this later stage 606 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: and get to know my kids and my grandkids in 607 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,959 Speaker 2: a way that I couldn't from behind those bars. Right. 608 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: The blessing of having him out alone is just his 609 00:37:52,760 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 4: presence is absolutely breathtaking. It's almost like a butterfly, you know, 610 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 4: coming from a caterpillar. 611 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 612 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 4: I enjoy watching him pay bills. I enjoy watching him 613 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 4: ask about budgets. He enjoys it. He was like, this 614 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: is a grown up bill. Look how I got my budget. 615 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 4: I just want him to enjoy these things. I don't 616 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 4: know anybody. I don't know any other humans who enjoy 617 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 4: paying paying bills. 618 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of you know, I look for 619 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: the little blessings as much as I look for the 620 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: big ones. Right, You're more likely to stumble across the 621 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: little ones than the big ones. You sit around and 622 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 2: wait for that big one you know may not never come. 623 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: But I'm okay, you are very graceful. I'm always so 624 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: shocked that, after spending thirty years in a horrible place 625 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: that you guys are all just so so graceful and 626 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: have such humility, and you're kind of breaking my heart 627 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,479 Speaker 1: right now. 628 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: No, listen, once you meet me, you kind of can 629 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 2: see that. You know, I'm much more than just my case, right, 630 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: It's just the truth of the matter. My case happened 631 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: a very long time ago. I'm sure for that family 632 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: that you know, every year is a reminder of that, right, 633 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, it was traumatic. I'm a victim of something, right, 634 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: but I'm not the victim. I'm just not the victim. 635 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: Isn't here anymore, Maggie, And so I tell people all 636 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: the time, like, pray for them, pray for that family. 637 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling. 638 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: Please support your local innocence organizations and go to the 639 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: links in the episode description to see how you can help. 640 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank our executive producers Jason Flam, Jeff Kempler, 641 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: and Kevin Wortis, as well as senior producer Annie Chelsea, 642 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: producer Kathleen Fink, story editor Hannah Beal, and researcher Shelby Sorels. 643 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: Mixing and sound design are by Jackie Pauley, with additional 644 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: production by Jeff Cleiburn and Connor Hall. 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