1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: We're on every day one until four and then after 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: four o'clock. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: What'd you miss? Huh? 6 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Miss stuff? You're gonna listen to John Cobelt show on demand, 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: the podcast. It's the same as the radio show. And 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: I know it's ghoulish. I can't get enough of looking 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: at this upside down plane. I just it's terrible. You 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: you know, they say. I heard one expert saying, well, 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's a strong wind, and not only a 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: strong wind, but there's a lot of ice and snow 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: on the runway, and and well, wouldn't that be a 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: day that you didn't land planes that particular airport if 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: the wind was blowing strong and the ice and the snow, 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: maybe maybe take off a few hours and just feel bad. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Apparently one child got really badly hurt. Everybody was up. 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: I wonder if the kid maybe was in the in 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: the parent's lap, because everybody should have been it in, 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: you'd think, but because it was on landing. We'll continue 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: monitoring that story. 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: All right. 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: It is the season for candidates to start announcing they're 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: going to run for governor to replace the dreadful failure 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, and one has stepped forward on the Republican side. 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco and he announced today he's 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: running for governor in front of fifteen hundred supporters. He 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: is again the Riverside County sheriff. We've had him on 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: the show many times and he's a guy that California 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: needs to because you know what, we're upside down. We're 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: like that Delta plane. We're upside down and a lot 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: of people are hurting. Let's get Chad on now. 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: Chad John, how are you? Yees, sir, Hi John, how 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: are you? 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you doing? I'm doing great. 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: It's a good day. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: You have been thinking about doing this for a long time. 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: Go through the process of what made you decide, yeah, 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to run this year. 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely was a long time, maybe a little 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: bit over a year, maybe a little bit more than that. 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: And it really comes down to just what I see 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: as the failures in Sacramento, and it starts with public safety. 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: But as you're in Sacramento, as we're up there dealing 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: with issues about public safety, we overhear all of the 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: other craziness that goes on there, and then when I 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: come back home and I have to deal with theft 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: and businesses, then I have to learn from the businesses 49 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: about all the regulation and all the things that are 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: hurting them and the taxes. And then it just compounds 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: my friends that are builders and my friends that are 52 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: losing their kids to other states because it's impossible to 53 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: be able to afford a home here or to live here, 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: and so there were so many things going into it 55 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: that in the end, it really came down to me 56 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: watching these people posture of who's going to run and 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: talk about you know, I'm going to do this, and 58 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to do that, and I'm going to be 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: the one and I want that top spot. And I 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: realized it's all the same people. It's the same people 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: that put us here, and that whole definition of insanity 62 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: when you do the same thing over and over and 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: over again and expect a different result. I hope California 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: is wisening up enough to know that we are not 65 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: going we are going to get the same result if 66 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: we keep electing the same people. And I had to 67 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: do this to up end this apple cart because we 68 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: have to fix California. We have to save California, because 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: all of my friends are leaving, my kids want to leave, 70 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: and the California dream has become a nightmare. And it's 71 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: just going to take a leader to be in Sacramento 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: to right in all of these these wrongs that are 73 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: plaguing us. And we've got to start doing things for 74 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: our residents rather than for special interests. 75 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 2: You've been elected twice as sheriff in Riverside County. It's 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: obviously friendly territory. People are more in line with the 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: way you think and the actions you take. How are 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: you going to get through to the people in let's say, 79 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: La County, Bay Area northern California. I mean, you may 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: not win San Francisco, but to get more votes, to 81 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: get more people who to make them, I can't imagine 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: they don't realize what's going on. It's this is not 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: a theoretical debate we're having here. This is real life 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: and it is dreadful on a day to day basis 85 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: in a. 86 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: Lot of places. 87 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: How are you going to convince them to do something 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: that maybe they've never done in their adult lives, And 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: that's vote for somebody other than a Democrat. 90 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely have hit it right on the head, 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: and we know it's an uphill battle. But I'm going 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: to accept the challenge and I'm going to do everything 93 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: I can to convince them. We're going to do all 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: that we can just to get my message and me 95 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: in front of people, in front of the media and 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 3: in front of I mean, we'll have eight billion debates. 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: I don't care because those that is what will show 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: the public what we truly are up against. And I 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: think that what if I have detractors, which I know 100 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: I do. They're detractors because I'm honest. They don't like 101 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: me because I tell the truth. They don't like me 102 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: because I expose and I force them to have to 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: admit the truth. And I think people are tired of 104 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: being lied to. I think they are desperately looking for 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: a leader who will be honest with them, who will 106 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: tell them how things are and how we're going to 107 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: get to a solution. And they're just looking for someone 108 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: that is not the normal politician, that is not the 109 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: billionaire that's going to come in and fix everything. The 110 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 3: same thing that we've heard for decades, and it truly 111 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: is about bringing the truth to people. Is you said it, 112 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: This is reality. This is all you have to do 113 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: is walk out your front door and look in your 114 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: own yard and see that we are going in the 115 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: wrong direction. And I truly believe over the last couple 116 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: of years we've seen the tide turn. I think the 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: pendulum is going back to the other way. And Prop 118 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 3: thirty six, the overwhelming, resounding victory of Prop thirty six 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: showed that California is failing in Republican and Democrat minds 120 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: and they do want something different. 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: Why do you think people have voted for the likes 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: of Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, here In La Karen Bass 123 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: and Eric Carcetti. Why do they keep voting for these 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: people over and over and while the quality of life 125 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: has collapsed on a day to day basis. Again, this 126 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: is not a theoretical political argument. This is in front 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: of everybody's eyes. What's going on between the crime and 128 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: the homelessness? Just for starters, Why is it so difficult 129 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: for people to admit that their voting patterns are responsible 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: for a lot of this? 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why it is so hard to 132 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: admit a wrong or admit that you did something wrong. 133 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: But I will tell you that I don't believe politic 134 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: and I don't believe elections have been real or honest 135 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: for decades. They're psychological warfare operations where you put somebody 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: up in front of cameras who have an appeal or 137 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: a likability, and you get them to lie and promise 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: and say things that just simply aren't true. But the 139 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: general goodness of the public we want to believe, we 140 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: want to trust, and that trust is just routinely taken 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: advantage of. And so I think that there's a lot 142 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: of dishonesty that goes into politics. We know that, I mean, 143 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: every campaign, no one's being honest. I think the appeal 144 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: for me is I have a background thirty two years 145 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: of nothing but integrity and honesty, and I think that's 146 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: going to resonate well with people. They don't have to 147 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: worry about whether or not I'm telling them the truth. 148 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: They can count on it. 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: What are the biggest issues you're going to be focusing on, 150 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: Assuming that not a lot of disaster happens. 151 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: Well, I know, and God forbid, something does. We don't 152 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: want that. There's we have enough that we have to 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: deal with. But overall, I think the the number one 154 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: concern of everyone has to do and revolves around public safety. 155 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: Whether it's drugs, human trafficking, crime, homelessness, all of those 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: things rolled into one. With public safety, that has to 157 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: be our priority. And obviously that's going to be my niche, 158 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: and that's going to be an easy solution for me. 159 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: I don't have to bring somebody in or I don't 160 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: have to learn something to be able to have a 161 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: solution for that, so that that's going to be our inroad. 162 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: But then we still have the same problems that we've 163 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: always dealt with. We have a failed school system, we 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: have failed water policy, we have failed agricultural policy that 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: is simply just failing Californians. And so bringing those things 166 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: to the limelight, bringing them to the forefront of people's thoughts, 167 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: I think we really are going to gain a lot 168 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: of momentum because in the end, I am not going 169 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: to allow this campaign to be handled the same way 170 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: every campaign is handled, where we talk about issues that 171 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: Democrats want to talk about, because we're going to talk 172 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: about what's failing our state and some of their emotional 173 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: issues are not causing our state to fail. It's the economy, 174 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: it's the taxes, it's the regulation that they have done 175 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: over decades, and when we make them talk about that, 176 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: they're people are going to see that. Oh my gosh, 177 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: it has been the same people over and over, and 178 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: we absolutely do need someone from the outside to come 179 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: in and fix it for us. 180 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: That's what's been frustrating about, Oh, I don't know, the 181 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: last twenty years worth of Republican campaigns in this state 182 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: is that none of the candidates ever engaged and talked 183 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: about the issues that mattered to people. They're always on 184 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: defense against whatever the Democrats brought up. And the Democrats 185 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: bring up these weird, distracting social issues that would get 186 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: people all bent out of shape. And that's not what 187 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: day to day life is about, right. 188 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: That is, you are one hundred percent. You just hit 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: the nail on the head. The narrative is going to 190 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: paint me as as something that that elicits an emotional response. 191 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: They they're already saying I'm a racist, They're already saying 192 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: I'm homophobic. They're already saying all of those things that 193 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: are just that that elicit that. Oh my gosh, I 194 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: would never want to be that person and when they 195 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: do that to you, it intimidates you and it makes 196 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: you want to try and defend yourself. But what they 197 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: don't really realize with me and my personality is I'm saying, 198 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: bring it on because the truth, the truth is the truth, 199 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: and the truth will always win. So I'm not going 200 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: to defend any of that. You prove it. I'm not 201 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: a racist. I'm the furthest thing from it. I love women, 202 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: I love the power of a woman. I'm not misogynistic. 203 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: I'm not any of those. 204 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: I mean they say that about every every candidate that 205 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: runs against them. 206 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's that's spoiler. 207 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: Point fall into yes, and you fall into the offending 208 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 3: yourself instead of pointing it to them and just saying 209 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: show me where. 210 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you're right on. You got to run on 211 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: your issues. Can you hang on another segment? 212 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 213 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: All right? 214 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: Good Chad Bianco. He's running as a Republican for governor 215 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: of California, the sheriff of Riverside County. We'll talk more 216 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: with Chad. 217 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: Next. 218 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: six forty. 220 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: Continue with Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bionco and today he 221 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: announced he's running for governor as a Republican Riverside County 222 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: sheriff and he wants to be governor. And we could 223 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: use a guy like him, obviously, But how do you 224 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: convince everybody else who've brought us a parade of clowns 225 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: now for about twenty years. Let's get Chad back on 226 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: the air. Well, let me run a few issues by 227 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: you and tell me what your thoughts are. Right now, 228 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: the homeless thing here in la is just choking. And 229 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: last year Gavin Newsom admitted I couldn't even believe he 230 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: this that they had spent twenty four billion dollars since 231 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: he became governor and he didn't have any idea where 232 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: most of it went or if it had any effect. Yeah, 233 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: your reaction to that A twenty four billion? 234 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a hoestine. It's a complete waste 235 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: of our money. Where it's a it's an industrial complex. 236 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: We have turned homelessness into an industrial complex that is 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: just laundering our taxpayer money. There is there can be 238 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: zero desire to solve homeless If people are making millions 239 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: of dollars off of the homeless, this is not. This 240 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: is not a hard thing to solve. We need to 241 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: We need to stop calling it homeless. We need to 242 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: call it drug and doce psychosis, and we need to 243 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 3: address the drug abuse, and we need to address the 244 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: mental illness that it causes. And then we can get 245 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: them back into the homes that they already had, that 246 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: they were kicked out of because of their psychosis and 247 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: their drug abuse and their alcohol abuse. And when we 248 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: stop funneling these millions and millions of dollars into peoples, 249 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: into nonprofits and into organizations that will continue to profit 250 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: off of it, we will fix this. And it's we 251 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: have made it worse by giving more and more and 252 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: more money to it. It's it truly is common sense 253 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: and reason. 254 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: How about this, this mandate that we can't drive we 255 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: can't buy gas powered cars as a twenty thirty five Yeah. 256 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: That's that is it. And again that is a that 257 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: is an agenda item, that a special interest that someone is, 258 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: someone is benefiting from the reality of our cars is 259 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: that they are not the polluters that they want us 260 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: to believe. The fossil fuels, the cleanness, the scrubbers, the 261 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: things that they have to keep those emissions from our 262 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: air are nothing like they used to be, and so 263 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: it's it's it's a fallacy, it's it's misinformation. It's pushing 264 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: us into doing something that we are not ready to do. 265 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: Number One, we don't even have the we don't have 266 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: enough electricity in California to operate our air conditioning. But 267 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: somehow we're supposed to operate everyone's vehicle. And again, eventually 268 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: in twenty thirty, forty fifty years, maybe we are all electric. 269 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: But it's going to be when innovation and when and 270 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: when when people that can create these things and make 271 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: them better and make them efficient and make them fit in, 272 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: then electricity will take over. But nothing has ever worked 273 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: when the government forces you to do it. So when 274 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: we allow the free market and we allow free innovation 275 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: and enterprise to come up with a better product that 276 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: makes you not want to have fossil fuels or gas 277 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: powered diesel powered cars, then we'll transition. 278 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: Over to electric. 279 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: But it's we don't do it because the government forces 280 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: you to. 281 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: What more needs to be done with crime? 282 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: We've got Prop thirty six, Now we've got better das 283 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: in La San Francisco and Oakland. 284 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: What's next that you think has to be done. 285 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's number one. The governor has to fund it. 286 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: He's going to do everything he can to make Prop 287 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: thirty six fail because if it succeeds, then he's going 288 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: to his legacy will be a decade of pushing Prop 289 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: forty seven that was a failure. So he's not going 290 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: to fund it. He's not going to give us the 291 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: resources to make it work. But in the end we 292 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: will keep pushing forward. We have to make more reforms 293 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: to where people are going to prison. We have to 294 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: make more reforms to hold people accountable, because if there 295 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: is no consequence, there is absolutely no reason for you 296 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: to stop bad behavior. If you are a parent, you 297 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: absolutely know that just from raising kids, and it's no 298 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: different when you're talking about criminals. If they keep getting 299 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: away with it over and over and over again, they 300 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: are just going to keep doing the same thing over 301 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: and over and over again. So when we actually fixed crime, 302 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: we didn't fix it, but we had a great handle 303 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: on it back when we had three strikes laws, when 304 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: and when there was a consequence for doing bad behavior 305 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: over and over and over again. And unfortunately for us, 306 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: over the last twenty years, the Democrat Party, the progressive 307 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: agenda has eroded all of those great things that we 308 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: were doing, and now we're back to where it's impossible 309 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: to go to jail for committing a crime. 310 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: How would you work with the progressive legislature we've got. 311 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: You'd have to do so a lot of vetoing to 312 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: get the message across. 313 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: Well, we will, And this is what I will tell you, John, 314 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: and this is what I think is going to be 315 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: my appeal for California. I'm not going to work with progressives. 316 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: I will work with Democrats all day long. I will 317 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: not work with progressives because the progressive agenda, the progressive ideology, 318 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: is the exact problem that led us down this path 319 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: that we're on, that brought us to the conditions we 320 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: have today. Progressive progressivism, which is another name for socialism, 321 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: is not and never will be the answer in the 322 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: United States of America. We are the great country in 323 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: the world because of our freedoms, because of our lack 324 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: of government, and socialism slash progressivism is a disease. So 325 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: I will not work with progressives. I will work day 326 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: in and day out with Republicans and Democrats to fix 327 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: the issues that we have that may that in the 328 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: best interests of Californians, not in a political ideology or 329 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: a special interest. 330 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: Chad, I want you on the show as much as 331 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: you want to come on. 332 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, John. I appreciate it. Hey, real quick, just 333 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: Bianco forgovernor dot com. We've got a bunch of things 334 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: on there that just highlights of how easy we believe 335 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: it's going to be to fix California. And I appreciate 336 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: everything you're doing. 337 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: All right, Chad Bionco, Riverside County Sheriff that today he's 338 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: running for governor on the Republican side. 339 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: And we'll talk again soon. Thanks for coming on. We 340 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: come back. 341 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: LA Fire Department could have had ten engines patrolling the 342 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: Palisades Hills on January seventh. That's according to former assistant 343 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: chiefs with the Los Angeles Fire Department. It's what we've 344 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: been telling you from day one. It's not complicated that 345 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: that is next. 346 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobbel's on demand from KFI AM 347 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: six forty. 348 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: We are on from one until four after four John 349 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: Cobelt Show on demand on the iHeart app. Moistline is 350 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: eight seven seven mois Steady six eight seven seven Mois 351 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: Steady six or the talkback feature, and we'll play that 352 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: back on Friday. Uh, there's a phrase that's going to 353 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: be banned. We have to ban phrases from time to 354 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: time when they're overused, and they are and they're used 355 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: to mislead people, to misinform disinformed. 356 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: What we all do that here? 357 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: We don't and I'm not the idea that it wouldn't 358 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: have made a difference. That is the response you gets 359 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: from so many morons when you start talking about the 360 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: response to the fire in the pala stage, It wouldn' 361 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: admit a difference. And they say that about the reservoir 362 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: being empty, about the fire hydrants being broken, about the 363 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: firefighters not being deployed for the second shift, about the 364 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: ten fire engines that were not deployed that morning of 365 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: January seventh, about Karen Bass not being in America. The 366 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: defense from everybody in government, well, that wouldn't have made 367 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: a difference. 368 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: They're lying, they're lying. 369 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: And there are some people who used to work for 370 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Fire Department who are now telling the 371 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: truth and by name, so. 372 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: You go take it up with them. 373 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: We have a story in the LA Times from over 374 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: the weekend. 375 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Paul Pringle and a lean check Midian. 376 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you because you know, we've trashed 377 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: the Times quite a bit. It's been a disaster for 378 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: quite a number of years now. But on the fire 379 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: they've been right on and they've been digging out the 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: truth and just relentless the publishing the truth, and this 381 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: is stuff. And you know they're telling the truth because 382 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: the people they're indicting with their stories are refusing to 383 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: answer any questions, are refusing to respond to the Times requests. 384 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: And that goes right up to Karen. 385 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: Bass, fire Chief Kristin Crowley, and that dits Genice Keinonyez, 386 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: who runs the DWP. None of them will talk. A 387 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: Bass doesn't want to talk about being in Africa. Kenonias 388 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about the empty reservoir, and the 389 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: fire chief Kristin Crowley doesn't want to talk about why 390 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: she didn't send ten fire engines and a thousand firefighters, 391 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: the ten engines for the Palisades, the thousand firefighters for 392 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: all the foothill regions in Los Angeles. Everybody goes quiet, Well, 393 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, let's just look, you know, let's get the 394 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: fire out and fires out, all right. The fire's out. 395 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: The danger's over. It's rained like hell, nothing is rekindling. 396 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: You ought to talk. You ought to talk now publicly 397 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: at length from hostile media. Okay, getting back to this story, though, 398 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: The biggest myth is that the ten fire engines that 399 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: Kristen Crowley should have deployed would have not made a difference. 400 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: Just to take you back in time, when the first 401 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: call came in at ten to twenty nine in the 402 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: morning on on January seventh, from a resident of Piedra 403 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: Marada Drive, they could see some flames flickering over a ridge, 404 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: and it was about eleven minutes later, eleven minutes later 405 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: that the Alley Fire Departments. Engined twenty three radioed into dispatch. 406 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: We're on Palisage Drive. We went past Piedro Morada. We're 407 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: still heading up to where the fire is showing. It 408 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: would be eighteen minutes after that nine to one one 409 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: call before Engine twenty three or anybody reached the scene 410 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: on January seventh, eighteen minutes, and, as The Times writes, 411 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: travel times were especially critical because LAFD officials had decided 412 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: not to pre deploy any engines and firefighters in the Palisades, 413 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: as they had done in the past. See that's the 414 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: thing in the past. This was standard operating procedure. Despite 415 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: being warned that some of the most dangerous winds in 416 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: recent years were headed for the region. In alerts, the 417 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: National Weather Service had highlighted the Palisades, the San Fernando Valley, 418 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: and Hollywood areas of greatest concern. There are people who 419 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: have been going, wow, you no, ohy Alley's a big city. 420 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: You can't protect the hull, stating the whole city never 421 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: gets hit by wildfires. There are specific geographic areas that 422 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: are of highest risk, and the Palisades was. 423 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: One of them. 424 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: So the crews nearest to the fire or at stations 425 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: twenty three and sixty nine, three to four miles from 426 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: the Piedri Marauda address. By time the engines from those 427 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: stations reached the fire, the flames were on the march. 428 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: Kristin Crowley, the fire department chief, did not respond to 429 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: interview requests for this story more than a month after 430 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: the fire. She has not answered questions from the Times 431 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: about the precise whereabouts of the engines before the fire, 432 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: which engine or engines responded first, and when helicopters began 433 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: dropping water on the flames, among other things. Karen Bass's 434 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: office has not responded to The Times requests that the 435 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: city released records documenting the fire Department's actions in the 436 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: early stages of the fire. 437 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: The fire toll. Now, we're going to go to the 438 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: three x. 439 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: Assistant or deputy fire chiefs who work for LAFD, and 440 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: they said the fire the toll might not have been 441 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: as bad if extra engines had been prepositioned much closer 442 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: to the most fire prone areas. They noted that the 443 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: fire department pre deployed significantly fewer engines on January seventh 444 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: than they did in the past, including twenty eleven, twenty thirteen, 445 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: and twenty nineteen. Now, while you don't know exactly where 446 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: a fire was going to break out, the Palisades area 447 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: did meet the department's criteria for significant pre deployments because 448 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: its stations face longer response times because it's high up 449 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: in the hills. They said, if there had been engines 450 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 2: available to patrol along the hills, commanders could have directed 451 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: the firefighters to monitor the area where the fire eventually started, 452 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: especially one specific area, because six days earlier, early on 453 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: New Year's Day, a small fire had been extinguished but 454 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: might have left smoldering embers. These are the fireworks that 455 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 2: some teenagers had set off on New Year's Eve and 456 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: then in New Year's Warning, there was suddenly a small fire, 457 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: and you're supposed to monitor that for days or weeks 458 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: afterwards because with strong winds, he could reignite the embers. 459 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: They didn't. 460 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: Had they done that, that should have been the place 461 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: where the fire likely started. Should have been the number 462 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: one spot that the fire department monitored because of the 463 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: possibility that the embers would be disturbed and reignite. Former 464 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: Assistant Chief la Fire Department Patrick Butler, he now runs 465 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: the Rodondo Beach Fire Department. He said chaparral can burn 466 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: underground without visible flames for weeks after the original fire 467 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: has been knocked down. He said he had to deal 468 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: with flare ups of unseen embers for about a week 469 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: after the twenty nineteen Getty fire he was an LAFD commander. 470 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: Rekindles are a very common phenomenon, said Butler. He left 471 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: LAFT four years ago. He worked thirty years after a 472 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: large fire most of the surrounding vegetation had already burned, 473 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: but after a smaller fire like the January first one, 474 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: A rekindle can easily grow in the right conditions, like 475 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: high winds. So Kristin Crowley, if she was competent and 476 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: she is not, should have sent a crew specifically to 477 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: that spot number one place. Something would have happened. Remember, 478 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: the winds were going to blow at an extremely high 479 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: rate eventually. Butler and other former officials says fires are 480 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: always more challenging to fight in strong wins, but pre 481 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: deploying engines could enable crews to keep it skinny, which 482 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 2: is a firefighter term for preventing it from spreading sideways. 483 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 2: Then other rigs can attack the head of the flames 484 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: from a safe distance with help from helicopters. Other pre 485 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: deployed engines could guard homes in the immediate path of 486 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: the fire. There weren't any engines beleeve deployed to pre 487 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: deployed zero. The ones eventually that were deployed got there 488 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 2: too late. Rick Crawford another former LAFD battalion chief who 489 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: left the department last year. He spent thirty years there. 490 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: He's now crisis management coordinator for the US Capitol. He 491 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: said the fire department's command failure to provide more engines 492 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: put firefighters at a strategic disadvantage from the first play. 493 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: The firefighters an outstanding job given the hand they were dealt, 494 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: They just didn't have time to employ their normal tactics. 495 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: Here's a third fire official, Perry Vermilion. He was a 496 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: captain for thirty three years with La County Fire Department. 497 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: Vermilion said, if you don't hit hard in the beginning, 498 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: it's over, and he fought a lot of fires in 499 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: the Mallible area near the Palisades. He said the LAFT 500 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: should have staged engines at several points in the Palisades 501 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: and kept them moving and on the lookout. You drive around, 502 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: you drive up the hills and learn the area. You're 503 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: on patrol. You send a couple of strike teams up 504 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: here or there, hang out in the park. You move 505 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: them all to different places so they're close to the brush. 506 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: So there you have it. Those of you say, oh, 507 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have made a difference. 508 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: Yes, take it from these guys combine ninety years for 509 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: La City and County fire departments. Of course it would 510 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: make a difference. You had somebody near that original fire, 511 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: which they should have most likely placed for it to blow. 512 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: Was that spot and then maybe nothing would have happened. 513 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: More coming up on this. It's a great article in 514 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: the La Times. 515 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 4: Listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A six. 516 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk with Katie Grimes from the California Globe 517 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: dot Com. I mentioned this earlier with Chad Bianco. This 518 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: this gas powered car band that Newsom got passed twenty 519 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: thirty five, the sale of all gas powered cars? Is 520 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: the Trump administration gonna kill this? Remotely from Washington, d C. 521 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk with Katie Grimes. Maybe maybe that whole 522 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: deal is dead already, or it's the walking dead. We'll 523 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: talk about it. Gas powered car ban. God, this is like, 524 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: this is like a record number of insanely stupid ideas 525 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: that any state has ever had to endure. All Right, 526 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm telling you the La Times Day has done a 527 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: great job and they're clearing up all the nonsense that 528 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: some people believe in that nothing could have stopped the fires. Well, 529 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: maybe nothing could have stopped the fires, but early on 530 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: you could have prevented this incredible march by sending up 531 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: what the Time says they had ten engines that should 532 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: have been patrolling the palisades hills. And that's according to 533 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: three former assistant and deputy fire chiefs whose names are 534 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: mentioned here. Former Assistant Chief Patrick Butler. We also had. 535 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: Let me get you the name of the other guys. 536 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: Rick Crawford, a former LAFD battalion chief, and then Perry Vermillion, 537 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: who was a captain with Los Angeles County. 538 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: All three of them said that. 539 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: If you had a lot of these ten fire engines 540 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: driving around, they would have been nearby to put it 541 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: out quickly. They should have been up in the hills 542 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: were deployed. Oh and don't forget the thousand, one thousand 543 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: firefighters that should have been kept for a second shift, 544 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: because the Palisades was considered one of the highest fire 545 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: risks by the National Weather Service along with Hollywood in 546 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: the San Fernando Valley, So that's where you put all 547 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: the extra firefighters. I think they had forty extra engines 548 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: and about thousand firefighters, even though you had a lot 549 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: of fire engines in the shop, because we don't have 550 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: mechanics that were enough, and the Palisades is one of 551 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: the first places to go, and that's where they've done 552 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: this before. 553 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: They did it in twenty eleven, they did it in 554 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. They did it. 555 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, they had they had a response. In 556 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, there was a fire there and I've 557 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: got friends who were there in twenty twenty one and said, yeah, 558 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: they showed. 559 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: Up real fast. 560 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: This was a really deadly disastrous job done by Kristin Crowley, 561 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: the fire chief, because she didn't have any supervision. If 562 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Karen Bass stays in Los Angeles on this and I 563 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: can't believe they didn't do this anyway, because it was 564 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: two days before Bass took off for Africa, but on 565 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: January second and third, because Bass left on the fourth, 566 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: don't you have a meeting and say okay? National Weather 567 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: Service is saying, here comes the sant Ana wins, which 568 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: come every year, fire danger, which happens every year. They're saying, 569 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: go to the Palisades. They're saying, go to Hollywood. They're saying, 570 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: go to San Fernando Valley. Okay, So how many extra 571 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: engines do you have not to mention. 572 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 5: This is an extreme extreme wind event given that we 573 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 5: had such low humidity and we haven't had rain in 574 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 5: a really long time before the fires, so it was 575 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 5: a huge recipe for disaster. I was reporting on it 576 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 5: for days before the fires started. 577 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 578 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: No, because because you had the wind, you also had 579 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: the long period without rain, which went back I think 580 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: to at least last April. 581 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was six months or something like. 582 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you had I saw humidity readings down 583 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: at three percent exactly, So all the indicators were there. 584 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: The Weather Service did the calculations and said extreme fire danger. 585 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what else you want them to say, 586 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: And I don't know what else Karen Bass was reading 587 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: those two days, are Kristin Crowley. When you see extreme 588 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: fire danger and you're the fire chief, what's your next step? 589 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: They're telling you where the most likely places for the fire? 590 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: Who. No, people didn't know where it was going to 591 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: do this they did. They knew. 592 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: You don't know exactly where it's going to hit, but 593 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: you know where the biggest risks are. It's a game 594 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: of math, It's a game of playing the percentages, biggest risks. Palisades, Hollywood, say, 595 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: Fernando Valley boom happened in the Palisades, and they had nobody. 596 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: And they just didn't do what they had done in 597 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: the past. 598 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 2: The three other assistant or deputy chiefs who've worked there 599 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: for thirty years. Each of them said, well, this is 600 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: what we did, this is standard, this is what and 601 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 2: now for thirty six days, Kristin Crowley says nothing. Karen 602 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: Bass says nothing. And I'm not even talking about the 603 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: reservoir and geniez Kinoniez and the DWP. She says nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. 604 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: The fire chief who made the deputy chief who made 605 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: the decision. It was Richard Fields and his only comment 606 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: was that the engines they pre deployed were sufficient. Well, no, 607 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: they weren't. Then listen to this doozy. Jason Hing, chief 608 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: Deputy of Emergency Operations, acknowledged that the pre deployed engines 609 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: were not enough, but says more would not have made 610 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: a difference. 611 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 5: How can you say the more would not make a difference, Well, 612 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 5: because that doesn't even make sense. 613 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: They try to confuse the issue because they know most 614 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: people don't know fire preparation, fire science, fire prepar you 615 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: know fire logistics. 616 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 5: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know 617 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 5: that the more, of course it would make a difference. 618 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 3: You know. 619 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: Once the fire had spread all over the Palisades and 620 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: the winds were blowing one hundred miles an hour. Yeah, 621 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: you couldn't do anything about it. But the point was, 622 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: that's why you pre deploy. That's why they're sitting up 623 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: in the hills first thing in the morning. Because I 624 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: was in the Palisades from about eight thirty to nine thirty, 625 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: and the eight thirty the breeze was gentle. Nine to thirty, 626 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: it was noticeably stronger. In fact, my wife even took 627 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 2: video an hour before the fire took off. She took video, 628 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 2: and you saw the increase in the winds. They should 629 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: have been there already. Well, we're gonna keep on top 630 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: of this. I don't care how uncomfortable life gets for 631 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: Karen Bass, Kristen Crowley and Janiez. I'm telling you every 632 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: day we're gonna give you whatever new stuff we find. 633 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 2: Debra Mark live in the CAFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey, 634 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 2: you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You 635 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI Am six 636 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 637 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.