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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as always

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Speaker 2: with my two favorite true crime ladies, Courtney Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Body Move In, and of course we have Taha and

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Speaker 2: Adam in the control room. And listen. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: November twenty fifth, and we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: The fallout from the Epstein.

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Speaker 2: Case continues, as former Harvard president Larry Summers says he

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Speaker 2: regrets his relationship. Also, final autopsy results for the Irish

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Speaker 2: fashion designer who died mysteriously on a mon talk yacht

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Speaker 2: last summer. We talked about this a lot. Those results

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Speaker 2: are in and her parents want more answers. Plus the

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Speaker 2: adult accomplice to the Slenderman attacker that we talked about

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Speaker 2: last night, Morgan Geyser. He is speaking out for the

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Speaker 2: very first time and I think we'll all be very

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Speaker 2: surprised with what he has to say.

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Speaker 3: Ladies, we made it to Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness, yeah, are you going today?

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Speaker 5: Ray?

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Speaker 6: In our review mirror, We're looking on to Wednesday, and

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Speaker 6: then guess what, it's Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is exactly.

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Speaker 2: We are officially in Thanksgiving week, and I can say personally,

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Speaker 2: I'm so thankful to be with you guys tonight, and

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Speaker 2: anyone listening who is in the throes of cooking and

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Speaker 2: planning and shopping and all the things. Let this be

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Speaker 2: a little safe space for you to relax and join

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Speaker 2: us at our proverbial kitchen table.

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Speaker 3: We got you.

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Speaker 2: We know this is a possibly stressful time, hopefully a

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Speaker 2: beautiful time.

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Speaker 3: Regardless.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear from you eight eight eight three

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Speaker 2: one crime, or you can leave us a talk back

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Speaker 3: In fact, let's go to a talkback right now.

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Speaker 7: Look, the Harvard guy only came clean because his names

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Speaker 7: were in the file. He's had years to come clean

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Speaker 7: and actually deal with this situation and has not. So

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Speaker 7: I don't think he deserves any kind of mercy at

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Speaker 7: all because he did nothing all of these years. He

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Speaker 7: should have come clean. And here's the thing. Trump has

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Speaker 7: some more to release the files than any other administration

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Speaker 7: before him, and I do think he should receive some

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Speaker 7: credit there.

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Speaker 3: Fair, totally fair.

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Speaker 6: I totally one hundred percent agree with her about the

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Speaker 6: former Harvard president Larry Summers. However, I well, and I

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Speaker 6: do give her partial credit for Trump right, noosan.

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Speaker 4: To like he's calling it a hoax. Now, it's not like,

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Speaker 4: come on.

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Speaker 3: It is complicated.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to play along when at some point and

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Speaker 2: I agree, like for sure, no question, this is the

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Speaker 2: time and the administration that has released more information than

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Speaker 2: ever before. I agree, fact the end exclamation point. However,

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Speaker 2: on the one hand, you're saying it's a hoax. On

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Speaker 2: the other you're opening an investigation real time because there's

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Speaker 3: So that gets just really confusing.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a high five on all fronts

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Speaker 2: and also a pox on all houses. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the answer, but I'm I'm confused and right down the middle,

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Speaker 2: and I'm grateful for the talking me too.

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Speaker 3: I'm given a mid five.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going high five because in addition to the hoax,

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Speaker 8: in addition to sorry, dragging it out, there's no other

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Speaker 8: way to say it, dragging it out. Also, it is

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Speaker 8: under Trump's administration, who yes, more information has come out

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Speaker 8: than any other. It's also under the administration in which

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Speaker 8: Gillayane Maxwell, co conspirator of predator billionaire Jeffrey Ebstein, is

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Speaker 8: now moved from federal prison to a really cushy vacation place.

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Speaker 8: So mid five not high five.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, what you're saying, Courtney is so clear,

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Speaker 2: because I think we're seeing this loop that we're all

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Speaker 2: feeling maddened by. On the one hand, Geelane Maxwell, who

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Speaker 2: was convicted in serving a twenty year federal sentence, that

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Speaker 2: seems like a prison spot. Right, how does that happen?

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Speaker 2: And how is that appropriate? Number one?

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Speaker 3: Number two?

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Speaker 2: Why are we not just seeing full transparency? Throw all

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Speaker 2: the files in. I agree, this is the generation and

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Speaker 2: the administration that wants full transparency.

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Speaker 3: High fives. Let's go show us some transparency.

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Speaker 2: Let it rip whatever names are in there, if it's

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Speaker 2: from the last administration, the administration before, there's no worries.

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Speaker 3: Let it all out.

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Speaker 2: Because Larry Sumner's who were talking about tonight, perfect example, like, yes,

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important that he has spoken up responsibility,

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Speaker 2: acknowledges his fault and is regretful. But to our talkbacks point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is because you're being called to the carpet. We're

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Speaker 2: also seeing this. What's Prince Andrew. So in case you

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Speaker 2: don't have all of the information, Courtney Armstrong, tell us

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Speaker 2: what we need to know.

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Speaker 3: Are you a candle right now? You just lit a.

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Speaker 8: White You literally just lit a white candle. It's jasmine

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Speaker 8: and current.

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Speaker 3: I hear you.

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Speaker 2: We should all okay, I'm gonna light my white candidate too.

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Speaker 4: Oh one right here?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I like somehow behind all right, I'm lighting

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Speaker 2: mine as well.

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Speaker 3: We are candlegate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand. And body, do you have all of

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Speaker 2: the detail. Yeah, you've been talking about the bit right.

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Speaker 6: So these emails that were released, you know, there's twenty

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Speaker 6: they've been releasing they show this like extensive contact between

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Speaker 6: the former Harvard president Larry Sumners and Jeffrey Epstein. You know,

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Speaker 6: he's the billionaire pedophile, leading to former Harvard president Larry

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Speaker 6: Sumner stepping down from multiple public positions and to our

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Speaker 6: talkbacks point, he was contacting him up until twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 6: long after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in two thousand and.

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Speaker 2: Eight, and so asking him all kinds of really impersonal thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, he was asking for relationship relationships. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know he had this personal relationship. He was asking him

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Speaker 2: for advice about his relationships. You know, he discussed gender intelligence,

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Speaker 2: workplace consequences for men in general politics. He just in

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Speaker 2: personal matters, including a romantic pursuit of a mentee, like

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Speaker 3: It just I yes, yeah, I know how old was this?

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Speaker 6: So I agree with the talkback, Like he had all

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Speaker 6: with him about personal matters and very crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's really inappropriate by every standard on every level. And

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Speaker 2: again we even know Prince Andrew obviously also we've seen

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Speaker 2: him be stripped of all of his many titles. The

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Speaker 2: And listen, the Prime Minister is asking for even more

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Speaker 2: I think here in the US we would like some

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Speaker 2: give us some a testimony because it seems as though

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Speaker 2: he may have some key information that may put a

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein, right, and Larry Sumners is acting that let's

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Speaker 6: make clearer, just to like our talkback said, he's acting like, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: I'm coming forward. Meanwhile, he's exposed in these emails, and

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Speaker 6: he holds a lot of like prestigious titles. He's the

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Speaker 6: that is, you know, kind of difficult to revoke. And

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Speaker 6: he's like, oh, and he's on the board of Open

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Speaker 6: I'm stepping down from these things. So he's acting like

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Speaker 6: the moral like he has the moral authority, but he's

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Speaker 6: really just Caughton the Spider Web exactly.

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Speaker 3: So true Well said, this is true crime.

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Speaker 8: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: We are on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 8: I'm Courtney Armstrong, lucky enough to be here with Foddy

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Speaker 8: Movin and Stephanie Leidecker. We're talking about the twenty thousand

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Speaker 8: page Jeffrey Ebstein document dump, convicted pedophile Epstein. Might I add,

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Speaker 8: and in the wake of all of that, former Harvard

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Speaker 8: President Larry Sumners has stepped down because of the implications.

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Speaker 3: We want to hear.

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Speaker 8: Your thoughts were They're at eighty eight three one crime

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Speaker 8: or hit us up on the talkbacks. By the way,

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Speaker 8: Melinda Gates had it right right. So Bill Gates is

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Speaker 8: now ex wife. We heard this years ago. She was

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Speaker 8: standing up being like, you know what, my husband, Bill Gates.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's astounding that she was so fourth

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Speaker 3: Well, she came out swinging.

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Speaker 2: A long time ago, really a long time ago, and

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Speaker 2: had really no reason to other than to say their relationship,

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Speaker 2: his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is the reason for her divorce,

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, and she was uncomfortable with their dynamic. High

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Speaker 2: five to Melinda Gates. I know we talk a lot

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Speaker 3: She was screaming from the rooftops.

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Speaker 2: So long ago, which was probably a really scary place

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Speaker 2: to be and I think now we're listening and again

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Speaker 2: bring on the names, because again this is not a

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Speaker 6: Well, speaking of the former Prince Andrew, the UK Prime

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Speaker 6: if he has relevant information about Jeffrey epstcen as US

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Speaker 6: investigators are seeking his cooperation. The former Prince, let's say,

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Speaker 6: the former disgrace Prince exactly, and now he goes by

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Speaker 6: Andrew Mountbatton Windsor has long face scrutiny over his relationship

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Speaker 6: seeking an interview with former Prince Andrew on the record,

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Speaker 6: So they want something on the record and with a transcript.

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Speaker 6: Prince and former Prince Andrew's royal titles and honors were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was just moments ago though, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: Prince Charles or King Charles, I should say, it seemed

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Speaker 2: as though that was out of nowhere. You know, he

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Speaker 2: got his hand slapped. Remember there's been a movie about this.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the interviews. We've seen him say I don't

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Speaker 2: even know this girl, denying his relationship with victim Virginia Gupre,

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Speaker 3: In April of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Again, Prince Andrew's like been under the gun on this one,

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Speaker 2: and now just a month and a half ago, they

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Speaker 2: even took a bigger leap, seemingly with no reason, and

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Speaker 2: it felt it.

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Speaker 3: I think we even talked about it here.

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Speaker 2: It's like, huh, that is a crack in the armor,

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Speaker 2: because there was nothing that we were aware of that

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Speaker 6: Right. While the US House Oversight Committee has asked former

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: All kinds of fired up.

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Speaker 2: We're following the money right now, so we're talking about

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Speaker 6: So Larry Summers, he was the United States Secretary of

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Speaker 8: Okay, this president Larry Summers in addition to having what

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Speaker 3: So as president of.

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Speaker 3: Can I just throw that out?

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Speaker 6: I found, mister Summers, I would like you to come

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Speaker 3: The end I was, you took the words out of

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Speaker 3: my math. That's why I'm in. I'm in. Can I

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Speaker 4: Larry, I do a lot, like I really do.

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Speaker 6: I do a lot of robotics and whatnot, and a

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Speaker 6: Goals was to show girls on social media, young girls specifically,

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Speaker 6: For this guy to be a president of one of

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Speaker 3: That's say it to her face, you know.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, it is the truth.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we're talking Harvard, we're talking in

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Speaker 3: Again, we do not care. All things are being played

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Speaker 2: And on the one hand, I do respect the fact

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Speaker 2: it was, you know, frankly, very personal, which is really

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Speaker 3: But here we are.

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Speaker 2: That's better than denial and closing and sealing and hiding

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Speaker 3: It must be. And who else we got? Come on, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And share your thoughts because again, big clearing of the

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Speaker 2: I believe, Okay, follow the money, baby, I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: we're all looking for a list. We're all looking for

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Speaker 3: And again it's happening real time.

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Speaker 2: I believe the reason that there is such a big

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Speaker 3: It's not that they're even Penny's good, right, it was

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Speaker 6: Still, I think the influence is just as intriguing to me,

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Speaker 6: Like you guys are like all about the money and

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Speaker 6: I'm here for it, Like, yeah, I'm here for that.

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Speaker 6: That's what I want to know, And.

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Speaker 2: What policy was being affected here in the US based

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Speaker 3: That's why it's relevant to us.

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Speaker 2: This is not just a sexy story or something that's

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Speaker 2: And I think the gig is nobody wants it to stop.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk bag.

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Speaker 9: I'm a little behind. I'm listening to the Hailey episode

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Speaker 8: I believe she's referencing and thank you for that talk back.

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Speaker 4: She fights human trafficking.

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Speaker 2: We have to believe each other, and we have to

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Speaker 2: We're talking about something that happened decades ago and continues

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, this is true crime.

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Speaker 6: Tonight on iHeartRadio, I'm body move in here with Courtney

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Speaker 4: Courtney, I understand. Even Casey Anthony has weighed in what you.

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Speaker 3: Are correct, My friend Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 8: Hop Mom top Mom has such a nice so acquitted,

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Speaker 8: very important, acquitted murder defendant Casey Anthony. She indeed has

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Speaker 8: spoken out against journalists. Megan Kelly. So Megan Kelly recently

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Speaker 8: Ebstein's abuse of underaged girls, saying his victimization of teens

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Speaker 8: was disgusting, but it wasn't as bad as if he'd

443
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Speaker 8: been abusing younger children. So it was a qualification.

444
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Speaker 3: Yourls like think that's right, we have that distinction.

445
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Speaker 8: That's right, right, that's right, and so yes, even an

446
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Speaker 8: including defendant Casey Anthony. By the way, she's now branding herself.

447
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 8: She's a researcher, consultant, she's an advocate on social media

448
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 8: for what well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Casey Anthony, Are we really?

450
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Speaker 2: I mean, we have to talk about Casey Anthony at

451
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Speaker 2: some point too, because, yeah, because was such an anti

452
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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony person. I was pregnant when she was her

453
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: trial was going on. I don't know, I was obsessed

454
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Speaker 2: with that case, right. I watched Nancy Grace every day

455
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: me too. I feel like I followed that case real time.

456
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: She was enemy beyond enemy. We've maybe talked about this

457
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Speaker 2: a little bit behind the scenes cut too, so you know,

458
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Speaker 2: we've talked to her lawyers over the years, and it

459
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Speaker 2: just seemed like a travesty of justice cut to I

460
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Speaker 2: watched her documentary.

461
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Speaker 3: I don't even know where I watched it.

462
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Speaker 8: It was her was it on Peacock or something was

463
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Speaker 8: standing there. She was cooking eggs a lot, and like

464
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Speaker 8: every third at her stove. Yeah, just pontificating and cooking

465
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Speaker 8: some scrambled eggs.

466
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Speaker 3: And maybe it's because she has this pretty blue whies

467
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

468
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Speaker 2: She sort of wore on me and I was like

469
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Speaker 2: maybe Casey's now Casey's honest. Maybe maybe we got it wrong.

470
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Speaker 2: And I second guessed myself, did you and I did?

471
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Speaker 3: I did. I watched it all girls sitting and that

472
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Speaker 3: was when you.

473
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: Start second guessing yourself.

474
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Speaker 3: Call me and I'll tell you about it exactly this

475
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: is exactly right. I stopped the next day.

476
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Speaker 2: And she like literally proverbally bitch slapped me. For lack

477
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Speaker 2: of a better term, She's like, what just for people who.

478
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Speaker 4: Who might not know Casey Anthony. She was on trial

479
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Speaker 4: for her daughter.

480
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Speaker 6: Her daughter, Hayley Kaylee Anthony, was found near her home

481
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Speaker 6: kind of like wrapped in plastic.

482
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Speaker 4: It was just a terrible situation.

483
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Speaker 6: She was continuing to lie to the police about so

484
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Speaker 6: many different things, Like anyway. One of her defenses in

485
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Speaker 6: the case was that it was her father that accidentally

486
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Speaker 6: let Kaylee drown, and she was scared to talk about

487
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 6: it because her father had been sexually abusing her for many,

488
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Speaker 6: many many years.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought that was pretty compelling.

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Speaker 2: When I watched what I really did, I know, I know,

491
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to like cue the hate mail,

492
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Speaker 2: go ahead real time and scream at.

493
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Speaker 4: Me, and I am I just believe when like a no.

494
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Speaker 2: I did watch it and I came into work the

495
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Speaker 2: next day and I was like, I don't know, Casey

496
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Speaker 2: Anthony got to my head.

497
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Speaker 3: She's in my head. I don't know.

498
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Speaker 2: Maybe she was abused by the dad, and maybe the

499
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Speaker 2: dad did something really bad, and Casey was very young,

500
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Speaker 2: and maybe she had been abused, and maybe because of that,

501
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Speaker 2: she just wanted to keep the secrets.

502
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: Going and she was hoping for the family.

503
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Speaker 2: And maybe that's why she was dancing on the table

504
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: and having a LaVita Loca on and getting tattooed.

505
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Speaker 3: Would like live the best life. Maybe Casey, maybe she

506
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Speaker 3: was being truthful.

507
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Speaker 2: And then I remembered a couple of things that were

508
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Speaker 2: totally untruthful, and then I got very confused. Told me

509
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Speaker 2: I was an idiot Zanny the nanny, and then I

510
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: haven't really thought about it since. But man, and Courtney's

511
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: crazy about her lawyer. By the way, she loves that lawyer.

512
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Speaker 2: She's crazy for him.

513
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Speaker 3: Bias.

514
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Speaker 4: He smells so good.

515
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Speaker 6: I met him at crime con. He's a really nice

516
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 6: guy and he smelled so good. I was like, WHOA, okay, Bias.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a crazy trial. I did think she

518
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: was guilty and then she got off and it was

519
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: very performative. And then when I watched the documentary, I

520
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: did get sucked in and I felt for her. And

521
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Speaker 2: clearly I do not know the answer, but I know

522
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Speaker 2: it's very divisive.

523
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: So the reason she the reason she's making this comment

524
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 6: though about Megan Kelly and being you know, so up

525
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 6: in arms about it, is because she used her being

526
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Speaker 6: a victim of sexual assault as a defense. M kind

527
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Speaker 6: but if that was true, it very well might be

528
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Speaker 6: true that her dad did you know something to her

529
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Speaker 6: when she was a young girl, and for that if

530
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Speaker 6: if that is true, I feel terrible for her, But

531
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Speaker 6: I firmly believe she's responsible for the death of her child.

532
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Speaker 2: And Doctor Phil. Did you ever see the parents on

533
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Speaker 2: Doctor Phil where they got into.

534
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Speaker 3: It really weird?

535
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen every single thing that's they've been in.

536
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. And didn't they do a light detector test too?

537
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: On A and A? Did they pass ltetor I don't remember.

538
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Speaker 4: I think they did pass.

539
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Speaker 3: They pass?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So briefly, just to throw out another name because

541
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Speaker 8: everyone is fired up.

542
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: I know, I'm with you.

543
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 8: Everyone is speaking out, including Elizabeth Smart. So Elizabeth Smart,

544
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 8: she's thirty eight, years old. Now, she was kidnapped and

545
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 8: survived really horrible abuse of all kinds, inclusing sexual abuse

546
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Speaker 8: for nine months during her kidnapping. And she's noted that

547
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Speaker 8: the couple who victimized her, who kidnapped and victimized her,

548
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Speaker 8: She says they bear a striking similarity to both Jeffrey

549
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 8: Ebstein are convicted pedophile and his co conspirator Gilaine Maxwell

550
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 8: also convicted. So, yeah, this happened back if you guys

551
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 8: don't really remember, it was two thousand and two. Elizabeth

552
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Speaker 8: Smart was only fourteen years old and she was abducted

553
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Speaker 8: by a guy named Brian David Mitchell and a woman

554
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Speaker 8: named Wanda Barzid.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so she drew comparisons with nothing alike. Oh my gosh,

556
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: she's so disgusting. They are gross and like they just

557
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: don't look.

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: I don't understand you.

559
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: No, not physically, but I think she's saying the grooming

560
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Speaker 2: process because remember Elizabeth Smart was found very close to home.

561
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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, a.

562
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: Physical resemblance, more of an emotional resemblance because Elizabeth Smart

563
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Speaker 2: at the time, I had the benefit of actually doing

564
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Speaker 2: an interview with Elizabeth Smart, and.

565
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Speaker 3: She is a rock star she's wondering.

566
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Speaker 2: It is so incredibly moving and she's the real deal,

567
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: what a survivor. But I think what she's saying really

568
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: more about the grooming process, because you'll remember Elizabeth was

569
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Speaker 2: found not too far from home, and many were saying,

570
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: why didn't you run?

571
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Why didn't you go home? Why didn't you? Why didn't you?

572
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: And it's because she was under the influence of these

573
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: two psychopaths that were abusing her fully right by the way,

574
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: in the last segment, we were talking about Casey Anthony

575
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Speaker 2: and I was like, Courtney Armstrong just loved her defense attorney.

576
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Speaker 8: Jose Bias. But like, correction, Codd because I said, Kirk Nurmi,

577
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 8: it's a total accident. He was Jody Arius's defense attorney.

578
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 8: But Kirk, you literally are always on my mind.

579
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Speaker 3: So it's hard time Courtney is really if I've been in.

580
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Speaker 2: The I could like I would be a rich woman

581
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Speaker 2: if I had a nickel for every time Kirk Nurmi,

582
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Speaker 2: Jody Aaris's defense attorney, comes up in a conversation, I'm like,

583
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Speaker 2: I get it. We've interviewed he's by the way, he's lovely,

584
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Speaker 2: but it had had a complicated relationship with the law

585
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Speaker 2: because of his Can you imagine being assigned to the

586
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Speaker 2: Jody Aris case if you don't know who Jody the

587
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: best he did the best he could write and then

588
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: sound like Jody Aarius basically like stabbed her boyfriend a

589
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: bajillion times and killed Travis her boyfriend ex boyfriend, I

590
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: should say. And she not Jose Bias. It was Kirk

591
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: Nurmi had to go and represent her, and she had.

592
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Speaker 2: She tried to get off of the case and she

593
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: he said aloud to right yep. And by the way,

594
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: we went over this on scientific Sunday for the crime Lab.

595
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Metadata was really really crucial in convicting her.

596
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: So yay habout that she is like.

597
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 2: A singer and she does little plays you remember Chrison,

598
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: And she loves a Christmas tale.

599
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember she was like doing handstand gymnastics.

600
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a weirdo.

601
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: What a weirdo. By the way, wouldn't you love to

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: interview her?

603
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 8: Though?

604
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: No, oh I would would you? Well, oh, yes, you're right,

605
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: I really would.

606
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, she now looks like a librarian

607
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: in the recent photos that I've seen, and she sings

608
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: in the choir behind bars and loves a holiday tune.

609
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard that very Christmas.

610
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: Let's go to a talk doc.

611
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: Let's do it, hey, ladies, it seems like calling for Canada.

612
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 10: Just listening to the segment about seven six four, thank

613
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 10: you for partying on and it is so important.

614
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: I have a quick question.

615
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 10: I was wondering if you know what online platforms this

616
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 10: group is operating on, just so I know to avoid

617
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 10: them and to tell others with kids what to avoid.

618
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 10: Thank you so much by.

619
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Yeah, thank you, Ainsley. And it's really appropriate question.

620
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Speaker 6: I've kind of been like, you know, secretly obsessing about

621
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: seven six four for a couple of days now after

622
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Speaker 6: reading you know the victims.

623
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: Uh and uh, I think it's Andy Tate.

624
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 8: Uh.

625
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 6: His son was a victim on November sixth of this year.

626
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 6: His Facebook post yesterday was just it really hit me hard.

627
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 6: And I can tell you Ainsley that these these people,

628
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 6: it's a it's a decentralized group, meaning that they don't

629
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Speaker 6: really have to communicate with one another in order to

630
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 6: you know, go through their objectives. So they're on every

631
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Speaker 6: single social media platform. Literally you'd have to be off

632
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 6: everything they're on X. They're on gaming platforms like the

633
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: Minecraft and roadblocks. They are on Instagram, TikTok, Reddit, snapchat, twitch, stream, discord, Facebook,

634
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 6: I mean, every single thing that you can message somebody

635
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 6: on they're part of.

636
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 8: And just to bring everyone up to speed, the seven six'

637
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 8: four they are a violent online extremist group that targets,

638
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 8: children and federal investigators are really getting the word out

639
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 8: and heightening the level of. Alarm, honestly every single one

640
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 8: of the bureau's fifty six field offices is handling at

641
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 8: least one case tied to seven sixty, four or it's.

642
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 8: Offshoots to piggyback on what you, said body being decentralized

643
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 8: and offshoots and some having different.

644
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: Names so that is who they.

645
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: Are and you know the story told yesterday Of Bryce.

646
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 6: Tate he was a fifteen year old boy and he

647
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 6: got a text message at four o'clock in the afternoon

648
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 6: and by seven SIX i think he was.

649
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: Gone it took three, hours only three hours.

650
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Speaker 6: More and what they do is they they look at you,

651
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: know they get they get information about, you LIKE i

652
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Speaker 6: know you go to the school and you, Know i'm

653
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 6: friends With stacy who you're friends, with and you, KNOW

654
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 6: i think you're cute and you know fifteen year old

655
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Speaker 6: boys are going to be, like oh my, gosh you,

656
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 6: know and start talking anybody, would, right, Yes and you,

657
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 6: know as things, progress she's, like you, know maybe you

658
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Speaker 6: could send me a, Picture and as soon as that

659
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Speaker 6: picture gets, sent the extortion. Starts they wanted five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 6: Immediately and you, know this is why it's so important

661
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 6: to talk to your. Kids let them know that this

662
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 6: exists and it's, happening and if it does happen to,

663
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 6: them not to, panic you, know come to, you you,

664
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 6: know call somebody that they trust, something rather than take

665
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 6: your own.

666
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 11: Life is that like probably the best solution, then BECAUSE

667
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 11: i MEAN i didn't know this until you said earlier

668
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 11: that they jumped from platform to.

669
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: Platform oh, yeah they use everything such a.

670
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 11: Yeah so does that mean probably the only way to

671
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 11: protect your child is just communicating and informing.

672
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: THEM i THINK i think that's the first step, probably you.

673
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: KNOW i, Mean i'm not an, Expert i'm not even a, parent,

674
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 6: sure BUT i do think that talking to your kids

675
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 6: and letting them know that this could, happen that there's

676
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 6: people like this out, there and if it.

677
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: Does don't, panic come to me and we'll figure it.

678
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 4: OUT i think that's.

679
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: Probably like even just the blanket. Statement and by the,

680
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: way you're a puppy, parent and that's, true and like

681
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: you don't have to be a parent to understand parenting

682
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: and that's really the. Truth but even just speaking about

683
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: it as if it, exists and just you, know even

684
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: if your kid doesn't say they know what it, is

685
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: just acknowledging that the are some of the spooky things

686
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: that are out there just prepares them a little bit

687
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: to know that they're not as alone as they may.

688
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: Thing, yeah and the, goal the goal is to be

689
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: as deplorable as possible for seven six, four, right is

690
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: the worse the. Better an eight year old, GIRL i

691
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: think she's eight was forced to harm the family pet

692
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: and she did because she was. Scared you, know, Listen

693
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: i'm just saying talk to your, kids let. THEM i,

694
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: mean it's up to, you, obviously BUT i think letting

695
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: them know that, this you know there's people out there

696
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: that will do this kind of, thing they might be

697
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: more open to approaching you about, it, like, HEY i did,

698
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: this and now they're saying they need this money from

699
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: me or they want me to you, know Kill.

700
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 8: Fido, Right and that even you mentioned the five hundred

701
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 8: dollars in the, sextortion which is it's it's blackmail and

702
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 8: extortion and all of the, above and it really is

703
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 8: about just getting an in their, world ideally on, camera on,

704
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 8: camera such as murdering your family. Pet that's that is

705
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 8: common and that is the currency in which the seven

706
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 8: six four online extremist.

707
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 6: Group, yeah it's the videos and like kids have set

708
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 6: themselves on, fire they've kicking. Us, yeah one kid was

709
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 6: OFFERED i think money to go kill his grandma and

710
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 6: the film. IT i don't think you, did BUT i

711
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 6: Mean courtney's. Right the currency is the video of you,

712
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: know of them doing whatever he wanted to.

713
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: Do and by the, way we talked about, that remember

714
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: The nexim cult that we had talked about that had the.

715
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 3: Escapee i'm blinking on her Name. Mac, yes Al Alison.

716
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: Mack thank, You. ADAM i love, You, Adam thank, You Alison.

717
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: Mack so she was an actress and then now she's

718
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: speaking out about This nexim cult where they all followed

719
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: this guy Named ranier and they were all getting, branded et.

720
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: Cetera but that was kind of their.

721
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: Stick and by the, way they were, adults adults that

722
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: were raised by other adults right that Were the whole deal, Was,

723
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: hey can you give us some dirty information about somebody

724
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: that you, love and can we record you saying something

725
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: terrible about a loved one and we'll hold that as,

726
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: collateral so if you try to escape or go rogue on,

727
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: us we have that to basically.

728
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: Blackmail. You imagine that that was happening for people in

729
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: their twenties and.

730
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: Thirties imagine an eight year, old how scary the world

731
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: must seem and how big that must.

732
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: Feel So i'm just grateful that we're talking about.

733
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 11: IT i NEVER i don't THINK i shared this with.

734
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 11: You BUT i had a weird experience once WHERE i

735
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 11: received a letter where they said it was something to

736
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 11: the effect OF i guess they pretended they saw me

737
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 11: WHEN i was changing on, camera and they said that

738
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 11: we're going to send this to all of your. Friends

739
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 11: we have, it and it came from an old. EMAIL

740
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 11: i got, confused like they had a little bit info

741
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 11: that made it seem, valid AND i freaked. OUT i was, like,

742
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 11: oh worried IF i suddenly because.

743
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: Your camera on your computer could just be on in your,

744
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: room on and, off and.

745
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 11: So they kind of made it seem that. Way but

746
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 11: THEN i talked to another friend who's you, know he's

747
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 11: in the, computers and he understood a little bit. More he,

748
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 11: said trust, me you're, fine don't worry about. It But

749
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 11: i'm an, adult and it freaked me out and it

750
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 11: made me start thinking, like oh SHOULD I SO i

751
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 11: can't imagine what a child would do if someone did.

752
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: That but and by the, way it's very, sophisticated, like

753
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: even very, recently real time this is. Happening my personal

754
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: email was hacked and people are being sent a link

755
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: and they're, like, oh open this link from. Me and

756
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: then if someone, says as you, would BECAUSE i wouldn't

757
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: normally send an email very formally saying, hello please open this,

758
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: link people have like we're sending me emails or responding to,

759
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: that you, know hacked email saying is this you? Staff

760
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: and then it would respond and, say yes, me can

761
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: you please open?

762
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 3: THIS i really need your. Feedback it's very time.

763
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: Sensitive and then they open it and now they have

764
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: the virus or whatever the thing, is, like how do

765
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: you shut this?

766
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: Down this is so.

767
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: Sophisticated so first, off ignore any email for me, personally

768
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: but also can you imagine, like, again if you're a

769
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: kid and these kinds of things are happening at such

770
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: a highly sophisticated.

771
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 3: Level how do you look how do you combat?

772
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 10: That?

773
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah and that's my smallest sample to talk about.

774
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 11: That, YEAH i think it's, important AND i was talking

775
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 11: about how to protect the parents can. Protect but on

776
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 11: the flip, SIDE i think these companies need to be

777
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 11: held a little more accountable that you, know are allowing

778
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 11: some of this to. Happen SO i don't, know it's

779
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 11: a big conversation and it's awful that it's. HAPPENING i

780
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 11: regret THAT i didn't know body back in the day

781
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 11: WHEN i got that, email because you would have probably

782
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 11: been able to get your thing and figured out who sent.

783
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 8: It but we look at THOSE mx, records let's see Exact, well,

784
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 8: listen we will keep you. Updated thank you so much

785
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 8: for that talk, back and will just keep as information unfolding,

786
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 8: unfolds keep you.

787
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: Updated this is True.

788
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 8: Krantz, tonight we're On iHeartRadio and we've been talking about

789
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 8: the violent online extremist group seven six For if you have,

790
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 8: thoughts we'd love to hear. Them eighty eight three to

791
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 8: one crime or hit us up on the talkbacks and

792
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 8: let's go to.

793
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: One, Now, hi Team leer In, australia just on The

794
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: coburger and this The gonzalveez family Suing. WAZOO i would

795
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 5: have thought that it wouldn't be possible for them to, win,

796
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i, mean what duty of care does Does Washington

797
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 5: state have to the general. PUBLIC i feel like if

798
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: they were, students, yes but it just sort of baffles

799
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: me a little. Bit So i'm not sure If jarrek

800
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 5: can help answer this one.

801
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 12: Great.

802
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: QUESTION i always think we should Ask jerk because he'll

803
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: be on, tomorrow On, WEDNESDAY i would have thought there

804
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: is level.

805
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: NOW i think he's cooking. Tomorrow actually we're gonna the

806
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: week after.

807
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: Next we'll stash it for a rainy. Day, yeah of

808
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: course it's a holiday, week but we'll be here. Tomorrow

809
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: all that to be, SAID i would have thought there

810
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: is some level of accountability simply because you have so

811
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: many underage, people but not as a, standard but simply

812
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: because there had been so many complaints formally written Against Brian,

813
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: coburger the, accused and if you don't know that, Case

814
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: Brian coburger is currently serving many life sentences behind bars

815
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: for pleading guilty to murdering For idaho.

816
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: Students and it's a really fair, question it.

817
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 6: Is but any and you, KNOW i don't even know

818
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 6: if the goal is to win the. LAWSUIT i think,

819
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: LISTEN i kind of think. DIFFERENTLY i think the.

820
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: Goal could be the.

821
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: Discovery the goal could be the. Discuss that's, interesting but can.

822
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 6: Call the family wants answer as we all, know we

823
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 6: all know, them, Right they want answers and they were

824
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 6: furious That Brian coberger didn't have to like confess and

825
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: give any details and things like. That SO i THINK

826
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 6: i think the goal isn't necessarily to. WIN i think

827
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: the goal is to get the discovery and to know

828
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 6: what the internals were AT wsu and what they were

829
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: saying About Brian coberger in those internal, reports.

830
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: So that they can figure. OUT i could be, Wrong.

831
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: LISTEN i can't speak for THE i can't speak for,

832
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 6: them but IF i were, them that's this is WHAT

833
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: i really.

834
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 11: Doing, yeah AND i think you touched on, it BUT

835
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 11: i think now we're going to do the same. Thing

836
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 11: were you going to fill everyone in on the background on?

837
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 11: IT i was just going to say the family for

838
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 11: those who don't know what's going on the family Of

839
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 11: idaho student murder Victim Kayley gonzalez has filed a lawsuit

840
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 11: Against Washington State university where Murder Brian coburger, study alleging

841
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 11: the university ignored red flags about his behavior prior to

842
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 11: him fatally stabbing for students In. November and as we,

843
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 11: mentioned he remains incarcerated and fled guilty to the crimes

844
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 11: and receive received multiple life.

845
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 6: Sentences so and he didn't have to give any answers

846
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 6: to nothing about you, know why he's feeling, guilty why

847
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 6: he did, It why in the concalus families not taking.

848
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: It they don't like, that they are very upset by,

849
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: it AND i don't blame. THEM i really don't blame.

850
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Him and it's a hard month for all of the families,

851
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: month you, know it. Is you, know we're approaching the,

852
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: holidays and by the, way hard month for so many

853
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: if you're listening to us right, now and there's so

854
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: much hustle and bustle About oh my, goodness It's, thanksgiving

855
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: which is a beautiful, holiday and yes it should be you,

856
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: know feasting in, family but you, know so many of

857
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: us sometimes feel lonesome at the. Holidays and miss. People

858
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: and you know it's not the turkey dinner that we

859
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: see in the movies for. Everyone so if you're, listening

860
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: you know we're we're sending you so much. Love you're not,

861
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: alone and welcome to Our thanksgiving. Table because there's so

862
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: much pressure on feeling festive and sometimes there's a lot of,

863
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: sorrow that's.

864
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 8: True well, listen stick around because after the break we

865
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 8: are going to discuss the new autopsy results that's in

866
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 8: The mom talk yacht. Case in this there was some drugs,

867
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 8: found but the probe is not. Closed parents have.

868
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: Questions welcome back To True crime tonight And. iHeartRadio we're

869
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the. Time I'm Stephanie lydecker here

870
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: With Courtney Armstrong body move in and as, Always taha

871
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: And adam are in the control room holding down the.

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00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: Fort by the, way if you've missed any of the

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00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: Show No, sweat you could always catch us right after

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Speaker 2: as a. Podcast and of course we want to hear

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Speaker 2: from you eight eight eight three one. Crime in, fact

876
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: we have a caller, Now, Gina welcome to the.

877
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 13: Show, hi thank you hiver. Much it's such a pleasure

878
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 13: because to talk to you.

879
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: All Oh we're so, happy you, know a Little bertie,

880
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: said it is your? Birthday is that?

881
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 13: Right it?

882
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: Is thank?

883
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 13: You oh my, gosh thank you so. Much y'all are

884
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 13: going to make me. Cry, YES i forget.

885
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 11: That thank.

886
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 3: You i'm sending you so much love on your. BIRTHDAY

887
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: i hope you are feeling. It we would sing to, You,

888
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: gina but nobody wants. That we'll spare, you will spare.

889
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: You you're too good for.

890
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 14: That nobody doesn't want that for me.

891
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 13: EITHER i totally get, that BUT i just wanted to

892
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 13: let you all know how MUCH i appreciate. You and

893
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 13: WHILE i was on the, HOLD i ACTUALLY i Heard,

894
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 13: STEPHANIE i heard you say About, thanksgiving and it was just,

895
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 13: like you know, That really it came to my heart

896
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 13: BECAUSE i do appreciate that now more than. Ever you,

897
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 13: know the past years have been a struggle for a

898
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 13: lot of, people SO i get, that AND i Really

899
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 13: i'm in a very different situe now THAN i have

900
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 13: been through the past. Years so the, holidays like for

901
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 13: the first, time over the past few years have been

902
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 13: very difficult for. Me so what you, said definitely that

903
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 13: meant a, lot AND i just really appreciate that BECAUSE

904
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 13: i appreciate it now more than. Ever how difficult you

905
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 13: know it can be with not having things to, do

906
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 13: or not having a person you know around who may

907
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 13: have passed, away or difficult family situations and all those different.

908
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 13: Things so, that's you, know greatly. Appreciated and you're.

909
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: Not, alone Like i'm. Not i'm not doing anything On.

910
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving i'm, alone you know WHAT i.

911
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: Mean so you're coming over.

912
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 11: To say.

913
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: We're. Together and by the, way it has a lot of.

914
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: Pressure is a lot of.

915
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 13: Pressure, yeah it is a lot of. Pressure and just

916
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 13: you guys bring so much positivity in my. LIFE i

917
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 13: enjoyed listening To True, crime but just the, things just

918
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 13: the special things that you, say, like you, know just

919
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 13: relating to the situations that some of us. Have i've

920
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 13: Been i've taken some of the things to heart that

921
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 13: you guys have said through the past couple of, months

922
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 13: And i've opened up a little, bit like on my

923
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 13: social media about some of the difficult Situations i've had

924
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 13: in my marriage with some different types of abuse and,

925
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 13: uh you, know emotional abuse and financial, abuse difficult. Situations

926
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 13: SO i felt like that brought, ME i, guess some

927
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 13: bravery Where i've been able to like come out with

928
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 13: it AND i don't feel LIKE i have to keep that.

929
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 13: Hidden and MAINLY i just want people to know that

930
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 13: they're not alone and that just that has hit me

931
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 13: when you, know the survivor of The epstein that came

932
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 13: out with the book and you guys were speaking about

933
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 13: that a, lot And i'm just, LIKE i really need, to,

934
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 13: like you, know let people and you know my situation

935
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 13: and know that they're not. Alone And i'm just one little.

936
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 13: PERSON i you, know don't have a book and it's a.

937
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 13: Domb now she's she went through, horrible, yes. Exactly SO

938
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 13: i just wanted to put my stuff out, there not

939
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 13: all of, it you, know a little bit thereforable want

940
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 13: people to know, what, yeah AND i want people to

941
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 13: know again that they're not, alone but that there are

942
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 13: things that they can. Do there are places to get,

943
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 13: help there are family members or friends that they can

944
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 13: reach out, to or maybe that you, know their friends

945
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 13: can maybe see things or just we can see things

946
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 13: that are, happening maybe we will recognize them more sort

947
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 13: of for the same reasons that we're all probably into

948
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 13: true crime right where we can be you, know we

949
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 13: hear the stories and then we take that in and

950
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 13: we can be more vigilant in our, lives you, know

951
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 13: for true crime, aspect where you, know just to kind

952
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 13: of let people know, that you, know there are ways

953
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 13: to get. Help, there there are clues that we can

954
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 13: see in other people that maybe things are happening and it's,

955
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 13: like what's going. ON i need to reach out to that.

956
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 13: Person SO i just feel it's so important And I'M i,

957
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 13: mean it's get covered so many. HEARTS i, mean it's

958
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 13: Just i'm just so thankful for you guys are really

959
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 13: really just a little things that you stay here and,

960
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 13: THERE i, mean really means so much to. Me AND

961
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 13: i know too many many more people that need to hear.

962
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 13: That SO i just wanted to let you guys know

963
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 13: THAT i was listening to your podcast earlier and you

964
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 13: guys kind of went out on you, know we're going

965
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 13: out On button Of, renoe and then you got a

966
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 13: really nice call AND i was, like, Well i'm going

967
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 13: to call you all.

968
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 6: Today we need AS i started talking About Kasey anthony

969
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 6: AND i got.

970
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: Fired, no it kind of mells all hard because we're

971
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: a little bit in a.

972
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Vacuum and and by the, way first of, all thank

973
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: you for so much for, calling and, AGAIN i think

974
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: anybody listening is literally open your hearts to wish you

975
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: the biggest happy birthday and a beautiful year. Ahead are

976
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: there any tips that maybe you have that you know

977
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: it's you, know you, say you're you, know you're just a.

978
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: Person you don't have a. Book we're all the, same,

979
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: Right we're all just fighting the.

980
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 11: Fight you.

981
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Know sometimes we don't know what is happening behind closed

982
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 2: doors in other people's. Lives, Right we're all taught, to you,

983
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: know present a certain. Way if you have any, Tips

984
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: i'm sure there's somebody listening that would love to.

985
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 13: Hear oh, GOSH i, HOPE i hope there is somebody

986
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 13: listening THAT i could help im and that just would

987
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 13: like make it just kind of meant that's what your

988
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 13: life worth while in certain, ways you know WHAT i.

989
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 13: Mean SO i think one of the first things that

990
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 13: helped me was actually therapy BECAUSE i didn't know some

991
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 13: of the things that were. HAPPENING i didn't even know.

992
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: That we're, abuse, Right he's so common thing for.

993
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 13: Me yes. EXACTLY i mean it's really you really do

994
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 13: become so, oh it just becomes so, normal you, know

995
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 13: in our lives and it's, like, wow this isn't. Normal

996
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 13: and so the other, thing AFTER i learned some things in,

997
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 13: THERAPY i really like researched a, lot AND i learned

998
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 13: so much about just again about different kinds of abuse

999
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 13: and then reactive, abuse BECAUSE i was, like, well you,

1000
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 13: KNOW i am like fighting with this, person not, physically

1001
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 13: but you, know, arguing and it's, like, well they're pushing my,

1002
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 13: buttons you know WHAT i, mean and they're getting that

1003
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 13: reactive abuse out of. Me and then that's how they

1004
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 13: turn things, around and it's, like, oh it's your, fault

1005
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 13: it's you, know and then that's. Confusing so if you're

1006
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 13: like questioning, things this would suggest, like let's ad, therapy

1007
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 13: but also just, Researching like you, know if you're just

1008
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 13: having like a bad gut feeling or talking to your

1009
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 13: friend or your family, member somebody that you know is

1010
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 13: not going to go back to like if it is

1011
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 13: your partner or if it is you, know like your,

1012
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 13: spouse whatever the case might, be somebody that you know

1013
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 13: that they're not going to you, know say something behind

1014
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 13: your back and then your spouse your, Question, yes a confidant,

1015
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 13: Exactly so like you, know it might be uncomfortable and

1016
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 13: maybe just put a little bit something out there and

1017
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 13: then you, know work yourself up to being able to

1018
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 13: talk to somebody about. It but, YEAH i MEAN i

1019
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 13: think that really is like one of the things is,

1020
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 13: like really we need to talk about, things we need

1021
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 13: to learn about this so we're not passing it on

1022
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 13: to the next, generation BECAUSE i, mean that's what makes

1023
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 13: it that much, worse you, know because you do become

1024
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 13: so it becomes so, normalized, right and we don't want

1025
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 13: our kids and then those kids passing it on and

1026
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 13: that's you, know the, general, uh the effect that just

1027
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 13: keeps going on and on and. On none of us

1028
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 13: want that in our lives or in our you, know

1029
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 13: passing it. On but, anyway, sorry.

1030
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 11: Unplug CAN i just, say, like you, know that's.

1031
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: Stuff CAN i just say how PROUD i am of?

1032
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: You you're so, right like you're a generation. Breaker welcome

1033
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: to breaking generational. Trauma it sounds like you're so in.

1034
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: It and there's no greater gift you can give yourself

1035
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: for your birthday than you, know self care and being

1036
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: kind to yourself and also sharing what you.

1037
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: Know and, man is it's so.

1038
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: True sometimes you're in the sauce and you don't really

1039
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: know it until somebody else points it. Out and if

1040
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: anyone listening doesn't know who to.

1041
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: Call you can call.

1042
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: Us we're not, therapists god, knows but you, know we've

1043
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: all lived a lot of lives and you're not.

1044
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: Alone AND i think that message is so.

1045
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 13: Beautiful and there are so many. PLACES i, mean and

1046
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 13: you really don't know this when something's, happening you. Can't

1047
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 13: it's not the first thing it come to. Mind BUT

1048
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 13: i actually have had to do the crisis that it's

1049
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 13: the text the crisis text. Line BUT i, mean there

1050
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 13: are places you can. Call there places and you, know

1051
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 13: it's like it's sometimes they feel, like, OH i don't

1052
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 13: want to BECAUSE i don't want to bother kind of

1053
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 13: up with nine or? One, RIGHT i don't, know you,

1054
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 13: KNOW i don't want to bother the. POLICE i don't

1055
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 13: want to bother the domestic, violence you, know eight hundred.

1056
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 13: Number but do, it just do, IT i mean, truly

1057
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 13: Like i've only done. It i've only used the text line,

1058
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 13: once but you know there have been a lot of

1059
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 13: time rolled it back AND i, think you, KNOW i

1060
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 13: was so UPSET i just should have called to talk

1061
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 13: to somebody, say just to get it off my, chest

1062
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 13: you know WHAT i, mean not necessarily THAT i was

1063
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 13: like trying to find a shelter or anything like. That

1064
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 13: even if you just reach out and just to talk

1065
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 13: a little, bit just to you, know, say is this?

1066
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 13: Normal AND, i you, Know i'm questioning. Something is this

1067
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 13: something THAT i should be worried? About or is this

1068
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 13: something that you KNOW i saw in my friend's. Home

1069
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 13: it seemed kind of odd to, me you know ANY

1070
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 13: i mean really just to not just like leave it

1071
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 13: there and leave it as a question. Mark so then

1072
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 13: you look back at it ten years and you, know

1073
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 13: something worse happens and it's, like oh my, GOSH i

1074
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 13: should have done. Something, then you, know just do that

1075
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 13: little thing to you, know maybe even like watching YouTube

1076
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 13: video about something that's SOMETHING i did a lot OF i,

1077
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 13: would you, know read on a different domestic violence web

1078
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 13: side their YouTube. VIDEOS i, mean there's just so many

1079
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 13: there are so many things out there we can learn about.

1080
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 13: Things and then the more you, learn the more of

1081
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 13: course you, know and then you can watch for, things

1082
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 13: and then you can you might see things differently in

1083
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 13: your own life and others. Lives it's just LIKE i,

1084
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 13: mean these things have to. Change we have to. Change

1085
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 13: we have to.

1086
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: Change and by the, way we don't do it in,

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00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: silence Right so by you seeing it and even speaking about,

1088
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: It i'm sure somebody's listening right now that's recognizing that in.

1089
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: Themselves and once you talk about, it you realize, that,

1090
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: man you're not, alone that is for. Sure it's, like,

1091
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: yeah we're more connected by some of.

1092
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: This we're more connected than. Anything And gin, know we

1093
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: just love you, whatever.

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00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 8: Warrior thank you so much, much happy all beautiful wishes and,

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00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 8: yeah thank you.

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00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: Bye oh my, Goodness, gina what.

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: A rock Starting what a rock not a person who's

1098
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: like you, know taking the reins and making a change

1099
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: for herself and for her, family and that was really

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: brave and we love, You.

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 8: Gina happy, Birthday happy. Birthday this is true crime. Tonight

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00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 8: I'm Courtney. ARMSTRONG i am here with my Buddy Body

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00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 8: movin And Stephanie lydecker and we were just talking with

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 8: a wonderful Caller. Genio, gina excuse, Me i'm all the

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00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 8: klemped from our chat and we want to hear from you,

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00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 8: Too so either give us a call eight a a

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00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 8: three to one crime or you can always hit us

1108
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 8: on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio. App it's in the

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00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 8: upper right hand. Corner it's a little red. Microphone you press,

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 8: it you, record and then you are on the air with.

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00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: Us and NOW i.

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 8: Think we have ANOTHER i think we have another talk,

1113
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 8: back and it's about the two assailants who are involved

1114
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 8: in the Slender man.

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00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: Case oh, Interesting, hey true kind.

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00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 12: Tonight i'm just calling in to ask do you find

1117
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 12: it irrational that these kids were found not guilty due

1118
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 12: to mental health? Reasoning And i'm wondering if the same

1119
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 12: excuse can be used on adults going through the court

1120
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 12: system or.

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00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: Not, oh this is a complicated. ONE i can jump

1122
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: in here a little, bit AND i know you guys

1123
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: can as. Well but, listen they were twelve years old

1124
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: when this crime, occurred, right all of the victim and

1125
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: the assailants were both twelve years old at the time

1126
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: of the. Assault and, man it was an assault and

1127
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: slash attempted.

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00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: Murder, no, yeah.

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00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 8: So and Ultimately Morgan, geyser who has been in the,

1130
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 8: news she pleaded guilty to first degree intentional. Homicide but

1131
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 8: that talk back there was a qualification.

1132
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: By pleading guilty to by pleading. Guilty she was placed

1133
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: in a home, ultimately is that? Accurate so she served

1134
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: seven years behind bars and then was moved to a group,

1135
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: home and in that group home she was put on

1136
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: a house monitoring. System i'm saying that. Wrong what is

1137
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: it called a Monitoring what is that CALLED gps ankle?

1138
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Monitor forgive? Me, so, yeah you're put in a group,

1139
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: home and that's a little bit more, loose. Right the

1140
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: idea of a group home is that you're being reacclimated

1141
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: and rehabilitated so that you at some point can re

1142
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: acclimate into the world and you can maybe assimilate into the,

1143
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: world that being the larger. Goal but it doesn't seem

1144
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: like that's the.

1145
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: Case. Boddy you have your hand.

1146
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: Raised you're such a well. STUDENT i DO i need

1147
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: an apple for the.

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00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 6: Teacher so TECHNICALLY i wanted to tell you, that you,

1149
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 6: know they were charged as adults in this in this,

1150
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 6: crime and they were charged with attempted first degree intentional.

1151
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 6: Homicide and then right after they were, Charged morgan in

1152
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 6: this case that we're talking, about, specifically she Pled she

1153
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 6: entered a plea of guilty and was ultimately found not

1154
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 6: guilty by reasons of mental disease or defect because she

1155
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 6: was literally diagnosed to a schizophrenia and severe. Psychosis her

1156
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 6: sentence was forty years in an institution and then in

1157
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five this, year after about seven years in

1158
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 6: that getting the treatment that she clearly still needs a

1159
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 6: judge to prove this conditional release to this like group home.

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01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: For her many requests like she had been pleading to the,

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01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: court and let's be real her, release, RIGHT i.

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 4: Don't think this was like a.

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 6: FACILITY i think this was a house that she was

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 6: living in AND i would really like somebody to deep

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01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 6: dive that these group.

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 4: Homes, yeah we.

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 8: Should absolutely do that and. Listen coming, up we're going

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01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 8: to have more on this. Topic we'll get into the

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01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 8: as of today update and also later in the, show

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 8: we are going to be talking about our next true

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 8: crime And.

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01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: Chill you have a lot to say about, that so

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: keep it. Here True Crime.

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01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: Tonight welcome back To True Crime tonight An. iHeartRadio we're

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01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the. Time I'm Stephanie lydecker here

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: With Courtney. Armstrong body move. In wishing our Listener gina

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: the most happy birthday in the most beautiful year.

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01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: Ahead high fives go. Ahead this year is going to be.

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: Extraordinary we've been talking a bit about Slender man And

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01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: Morgan geyser who was recently picked up after her escape

1181
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: from a group. Home and for anyone who doesn't know

1182
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: that case too, Well courtney give us a top.

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: Line.

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 8: Right so back in twenty, Fourteen Morgan geyser was twelve

1185
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 8: years old at the, time her and another twelve year old,

1186
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 8: Friend Anissa, weir the two girls lured their friend and,

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01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 8: Classmate Hayton, lutner so she also is twelve and the

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 8: three girls were, friends so we have ultimately it's going

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 8: to be two, Perpetrators Morgan geyser A Nissa. Weir and

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01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 8: what they did to twelve year Old Peyton lutner at

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01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 8: the time was they lured her into the. Woods this

1192
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 8: was after a sleepover to celebrate a, birthday and they

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01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 8: stabbed this, Victim Peyton, lutner nineteen, times and it was

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 8: all in an attempt to appease a fictional internet character

1195
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 8: called Slender. Man so Slender, man he was kind of

1196
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 8: his urban, legend very, tall very thin, looking with supernatural, power,

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01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 8: scary very, scary And Morgan geyser the main perpetrator and

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 8: main stabb who did. This it was all in the

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01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 8: name to please this slender. Man, ultimately thank, god the

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01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 8: twelve year old who was, Stabbed Peyton, lutner she literally

1201
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 8: dragged herself and fought for her life out of the

1202
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 8: woods and was found and is now. Okay But Morgan,

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 8: geyser who started With, stephanie who just. Released so after

1204
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 8: that horrendous incident in twenty, fourteen she ultimately she was

1205
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 8: incarcerated for a little, while and it was complicated because

1206
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 8: she was twelve at the time and then recently has

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 8: been in a group home where she had an ankle

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 8: monitor WITH gps.

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: On well she cut it.

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 8: Off so she cuts that off and escaped from the

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 8: group home In wisconsin where she was. Staying there was

1212
01:03:53,760 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 8: large miscommunication between the correctional, department who was in charge

1213
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 8: of overseeing, prisoners and the, police who obviously their job

1214
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 8: is to go out and keep people safe in the,

1215
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 8: current there was miscommunication and she was gone and was

1216
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 8: one hundred and seventy miles away from her group.

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: Home so THIS i mean attempted Murderer Morgan.

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 8: Geyser she's now returned To wisconsin and she's going to

1219
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 8: face the consequences of violating the conditional. Release but When

1220
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 8: Morgan geyser left her group, home she did so with

1221
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 8: an accomplice Named charlie Goes By Charlie, mecca and This

1222
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 8: Charlie mecca also faces charges of criminal trespassing and obstructing.

1223
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 3: Identification the two of.

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 8: Them hopped on a, bus got one hundred and seventy

1225
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 8: miles away and they had met at. Church so the

1226
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 8: almost Killer Morgan geyser left with this forty three year old,

1227
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 8: Accomplice Charlie. Mecca they had met at church and they

1228
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 8: this friend Of, Morgan Charlie, mecca was reportedly concerned about

1229
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 8: this this group home being too restriction.

1230
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: Restrictive like they, Yeah charlie wasn't allowed to See morgan

1231
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: nearly as much As charlie wanted that to be the.

1232
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: Case, really, okay, okay that's.

1233
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 8: Right Interesting and then so what this, Accomplice Charlie mecca

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01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 8: said was That morgan Guys er she ran because of.

1235
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 8: Me and at the end of the, DAY i followed

1236
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 8: WHAT i thought was, right AND i stand by.

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: It oh are you kidding?

1238
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 4: Me, Oh, Charlie and by the by it And.

1239
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: Morgan you, know it has now been reported suffered from, schizophrenia, right,

1240
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: right that's how she has been.

1241
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: Diagnosed i'm not overstating, that, right it's, no you're not

1242
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 3: not to shake a stick.

1243
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: Aup very, serious very, serious you, Know and again Not

1244
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: i'm not giving grace in a horrible. Circumstance and thank

1245
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: goodness and thank, God peyton survived and lives to tell

1246
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,439
Speaker 2: the tale and will go on to live a really,

1247
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: healthy happy life and she is. Safe But morgan was

1248
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: not seeing the world in a real, way. Right so

1249
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: the world That morgan lives in and in her mind is,

1250
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: distorted AND i have a lot of empathy for.

1251
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: That it's not even something that she can.

1252
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: Control it's like having cancer of the, mind, Right AND

1253
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: i think that's something that's very very. Serious AND i

1254
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: think in a lot of not a LOT i SHOULDN'T

1255
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 2: i won't want to, overstate but in many cases, undiagnosed

1256
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: and in this case it was diagnosed certainly when it

1257
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: came to. Sentencing, oftentimes mental illness to this level is

1258
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 2: a real factor in some, crimes and when we're talking

1259
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: about rehability and group, homes and that is a very

1260
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: fine needle to thread and requires a real skillful level

1261
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 2: of care and it's unfortunate that she wasn't granted.

1262
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 8: That, yeah it seemed, like you, Know Morgan, geyser for

1263
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 8: all she, did deserved a more secure. Place and, indeed

1264
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 8: the LOCAL da has emphasized that this is proof that

1265
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 8: it only reinforces the position that a conditional release is

1266
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 8: not appropriate greed at this time For Morgan, geyser and

1267
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 8: it's something that the, Victim Peyton, lautner and her family fought,

1268
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 8: against as did the.

1269
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: Prosecutor so even for her, family, right like she has

1270
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: family like probably wants her to be, safe safe and

1271
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: cared for and like just BEING i don't know what

1272
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: the answer is.

1273
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 3: Here, medically we see her body can, setage her body can.

1274
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: Fittage you.

1275
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: Know on the one, hand you know she's obviously if

1276
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: you haven't seen, it check it. Out she's like obviously

1277
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: being caught on body cam when she's being found at

1278
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: the bus station that she was ultimately retrieved, from and you,

1279
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: know she's wearing a hood over her, head and she's

1280
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: obviously you, know shy and. Bashville but it's kind of

1281
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: frankly admitting to having done something very. Bad and she

1282
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: also at the same. Time this looks like a little. Ghost,

1283
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: right she looks. Scared she's, like it's probably cold wherever she.

1284
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: Is she's at some random bus.

1285
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: Stop she's in a, hoodie like she gave like a fake,

1286
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 3: name she gave a weird.

1287
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: Name none of it makes any. Sense like she's not

1288
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: safe even for. Herself, right And, courtney.

1289
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: What was the show that we were trying to work

1290
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 3: on at some?

1291
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: Point it was really complicated AND i don't want to sidetrack,

1292
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 2: us but it was for young adults who were under

1293
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: the age of eighteen who were sentenced to life sentences without.

1294
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 3: Parole, Oh lost for was? It lost For? Life was

1295
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: a tough.

1296
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: One it was Too, HONESTLY i can't even talk about

1297
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: it too long because my heart will rip out of my.

1298
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: Chest, yeah it.

1299
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 4: Would be difficult to.

1300
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 11: Do, yeah that was the entire.

1301
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: Time, yeah many.

1302
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: People that happens very. Commonly, yeah you, know and it

1303
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: does speak to the fact of mid. Murder, yeah are you?

1304
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 8: Who you are determined for the rest of your life

1305
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 8: from your one worst moment in. Time and then there's

1306
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 8: the victims', families you, know who guess what they've lost their, son, daughter,

1307
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 8: husband whomever it is is Very it was very, complicated

1308
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 8: and Like stephanie, SAID.

1309
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: I Like unriddled in The cars is thinking about, it, like,

1310
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 2: yeah she's twelve years. Old everyone's twelve years. Old is

1311
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: That is that the moment that now sets you up

1312
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: for your entire? LIFE i, MEAN i know the answer,

1313
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: Here i'm answering my own. QUESTION i know it's like

1314
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: safety first and it's. Schizophrenia but, man that's. Complicated you,

1315
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: know like everybody in this story is very loved and

1316
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: has a, family and their wishes were not for their

1317
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: twelve year olds to crawl to save their lives after

1318
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: being stabbed nineteen times at the side of the. Road

1319
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: and now you Know peyton we've reported last, night is

1320
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: sleeping with a scissor under her pillow at night as

1321
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: a twenty three year.

1322
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: Old how.

1323
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: Horrifying and you, know Now Morgan geyser is making a

1324
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: run for it with some you know person she met

1325
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 2: at church because she wants to be out in the

1326
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: real world and she was twelve years old and is, like,

1327
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: oh you don't know. ME i did a real bad thing.

1328
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: Once like is that the moment that never undefines? YOU

1329
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: i don't know the answer by any. Means but, man

1330
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 2: it's what happened to the second, Assailant.

1331
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 8: ANIA i was just about to Say anissa were she

1332
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 8: at the time was sentenced on the charge of second

1333
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 8: degree attempted homicide because really it Was Morgan geyser who

1334
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 8: was the ringleader of the. Two and in twenty twenty,

1335
01:10:54,280 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 8: One anissa was released into the community under. Supervision so

1336
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 8: she has been out for four.

1337
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: YEARS i haven't seen her in any of the press,

1338
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 2: coverage you, know. Thankfully i'm sure she's keeping a little

1339
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: profile and hopefully living a healthy.

1340
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: Life, yeah let it.

1341
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 6: Be so this is true crime tonight on a heart.

1342
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 6: Radio we're talking true crime all the. Time I'm Boddy

1343
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 6: moving And i'm here with court and stuff and talk

1344
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,839
Speaker 6: and we've been talking about The, slenderman attempted, Killer Morgan

1345
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 6: geis and this this attempted escape that.

1346
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: Well actually she really did, escape, no she.

1347
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 3: And was off to the races on the.

1348
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 6: Right and right now we're gonna kind of switch lanes

1349
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 6: a little bit and we're going to talk about this

1350
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 6: yacht's right that happened in your beautiful mom talk right,

1351
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 6: stuff oh mon.

1352
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 3: Talk.

1353
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah if you guys have never been To montacas to

1354
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: paint a. Picture i'm From Long, island originally a beautiful

1355
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: place In New, york and Mon talk is at the

1356
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: very tip and it's like really. Fancy i'm not From,

1357
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: montalk But i'm From Lake, gronkonkoma but Mon, talk you,

1358
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: know not you, know is a different side of. Town

1359
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: but it is like The jugi part right where celebrities

1360
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: go and people go in the. Summers and you know

1361
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: we've SEEN tv, shows, Right oh, yeah it's like. MANSIONS

1362
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: i mean there's a yacht.

1363
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: Club let's put it that, right, right so say.

1364
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: It and you, know if we're talking about olden days Of,

1365
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: diddy that's where the.

1366
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 3: White parties are and you, know fancy.

1367
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: Parties so allegedly there's all these fancy parties this past,

1368
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: summer and you, know this beautiful young woman at one

1369
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 2: of these parties suddenly turns up dead on a yacht

1370
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: and the circumstances by which she died is are pretty.

1371
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 6: Confusing, yeah it's It's we still don't really have a

1372
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 6: lot of, answers but we have. Some and just to

1373
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 6: summarize it up really quick for people who, aren't you,

1374
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 6: know familiar with. It thirty three year old fashioned Designer

1375
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 6: martha Nolan. Oslatera she was found unresponsive on a yacht

1376
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 6: and mon talk back In august of the year over

1377
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 6: the summer after spending the night was sixty year old

1378
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 6: Investor Christopher. DURNHAM a new private autopsy that was ordered

1379
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 6: by the victim's family found only a trace amount of

1380
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 6: cocaine and no drug levels that would have caused her.

1381
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 6: Death the, Victim martha Nolan oslaterra's family says many questions

1382
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 6: still remain as police await final toxicology and the investigation

1383
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 6: does remain.

1384
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 4: Open so WE i, mean all we know right now

1385
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: so far is that she had a little bit.

1386
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: Of, cocaine but and it was probably in her, body.

1387
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 6: Not a natual, amount and it might not even have

1388
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 6: even been done that. Day it might have been from

1389
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 6: like the previous. Days it just remains in your body

1390
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 6: for a. While so it wasn't it wasn't the cause

1391
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 6: of her. Death so we still don't know what happened that, night.

1392
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: And that was a wacky, night and correct me If i'm,

1393
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: Wrong but, essentially she had been at a. Party she's

1394
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: also a designer and was doing very big. Things she's highly.

1395
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: Educated aside from being extraordinarily. Beautiful she had a really,

1396
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: reputable important, career and she met with an, Investor.

1397
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: Christopher Exactly Christopher.

1398
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 6: Durnham he's an insurance an executive and investor who was

1399
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 6: with her the previous. Night he was found naked and

1400
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 6: incoherent on the dock and taken to the hospital.

1401
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 3: Because he was running down the dock saying, help, help,

1402
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: help right.

1403
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 6: Right police have not identified him The Christopher durnham as

1404
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 6: a suspect and currently consider him a witness in the.

1405
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 6: Investigation the early investigative reports found no evidence of, violence

1406
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 6: with the official cause of death determined through toxicology and histolegial.

1407
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 6: Testing the victim, again her name Is martha Nolan. Oslaterra

1408
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 6: she's From. Ireland she's a fashion entrepreneur who founded the

1409
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 6: Brand duper And east By. EAST i think it's a bikini.

1410
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: Line it's a very, real like extraordinarily. POPULAR i mean

1411
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: not That i'm running around in a bikini anytime, soon

1412
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: but it. Was it's a very well known bikini. Brand

1413
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: and by the, way her parents are really begging for

1414
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: more information and calling foul. Ball they're, saying like this

1415
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: is not a lethal amount of. Drugs by the, way how.

1416
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: Embarrassed every toxicology makes me. Stressed, autopsies you, know suddenly you're, like,

1417
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: well we all are talking about, her her.

1418
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: Autopsy it's so. Stressful, yeah it's so. Rough well this is.

1419
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 6: Interesting she, uh There's her death has renewed calls to

1420
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 6: Advance Chelsea's, law which would allow the drug suppliers linked

1421
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 6: to fatal overdoses to face manslaughter. Charges and by the,

1422
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 6: WAY i am one hundred percent.

1423
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: You're, here same HERE i am, too because there's also

1424
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 2: we talked To joseph about this, briefly but it is

1425
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: possible she could have been on a boat where there was,

1426
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: fentanyl even on the street that she sat, on and

1427
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: that could have maybe killed. Her and even the naked

1428
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: man who was running down saying help, me help, me

1429
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: who knows she could have Been it does sound, horrible

1430
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: but he also maybe it's somebody she. Knew maybe she

1431
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 2: had been drugged at the place she was before and

1432
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 2: went somewhere for help because she knew she knew the yacht,

1433
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: Owner i'm justs theorizing to get, help and like you,

1434
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: know suddenly she passes out on this. Boat this guy's

1435
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: sleeping naked and is Like oh my, god those dead

1436
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: girls AND i know.

1437
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 3: Her this doesn't look.

1438
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: GOOD i, mean there's a lot of things that could

1439
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 2: fill out this, picture but it's messy.

1440
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 6: Right, well the detectives say the investigation will remain open

1441
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 6: until they receive final results of this toxicology and determined

1442
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 6: whether criminal charges are.

1443
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 4: Warranted right, now we just don't know.

1444
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 6: Yet. Yeah so this Is True Crime tonight On. iHeartRadio

1445
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 6: coming up, next we're going to be talking about true

1446
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 6: crime and. Chill we're going to pick our documentary.

1447
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: Tuned welcome back To True crime tonight On iHeart. Radio

1448
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 2: we've been talking a lot of true crime all the.

1449
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: Time i'm staff here With courtney And. Body uh, Listen

1450
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 2: body is already doing some face.

1451
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: Creams get into that.

1452
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 13: Time.

1453
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: Listen by the, Way, CHAP i am so.

1454
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: CHAPPED i honestly need all the answers and a face

1455
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: mask so DESPERATELY i can't even say.

1456
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 3: It, TODAY i bought From Trader.

1457
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 8: JOE'S i think it's called Argon argone oil, Anyway it's

1458
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 8: just it's straight oil AND i put it on and

1459
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 8: that's All i've been thinking of BECAUSE i don't have

1460
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 8: it with me AND i want to bring it to the.

1461
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: Body i'm so jealous of.

1462
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 4: You, eh your lips are so.

1463
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 3: Chatting my lips are so. Chapped so that's what that's

1464
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: what's happening to. You that's right.

1465
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 8: Here.

1466
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah and by the, way, CHAPSTICKS i DON'T i shouldn't

1467
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: talk bad about, chapstick BUT i have been told that

1468
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: it's not the answer because it. PERPETUATES i don't know

1469
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: IF i shouldn't say, that but you have to be

1470
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: careful because whatever we're putting on our. Lips by the,

1471
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: WAY i should not be giving. SUGGESTIONS i was just

1472
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: going to be sawy right. Now there's nobody more chapped

1473
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 2: to the. Me so take this with a huge grain of.

1474
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: Salt BUT i would love the. Suggestions like some things

1475
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: perpetuate the chapping.

1476
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: In this, review but it's meant to chat you more

1477
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 3: SO i can tell you a good.

1478
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 8: One and this is dermatologist recommended, nice which is just

1479
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 8: It's aqua four and.

1480
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 3: Four is wonderful and.

1481
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 8: It comes in a really, handy you, know squeezed squeeze

1482
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 8: tube that it's a, barrier it's.

1483
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: Moisturizing you.

1484
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 4: Know i'm telling you aquafor the squeeze tube saved my

1485
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 4: life and. Moly i'm not even.

1486
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 3: Kidding that saved my. Life it's the only.

1487
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 6: Thing and it was super, humid but my lips were

1488
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 6: so chapped because like we were dehydrated constantly and because

1489
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 6: it was just.

1490
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: So too.

1491
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 4: Much, Anyway, wait aqu is. AMAZING i love it and you.

1492
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 2: Can put by the, way a little other fun. Tip

1493
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: my mom called during the break on my cell. Phone

1494
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: not on the show because she's just not going to

1495
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: come on the show for some. Reason at some point

1496
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: we'll get her.

1497
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 3: ON i would love to have some. Fun but she would,

1498
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: say put that.

1499
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: If your ever if your feet are feeling chapped of fun,

1500
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: tip you Put vazilena on your f, feet real thick

1501
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: at night and then put a sock of and you

1502
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: wake up like a little foot.

1503
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 8: Baby it's true and it works with your fans. Too

1504
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 8: vasilene is a wonder wonderful.

1505
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: Thing no one. Else it's really. Weird the little ones

1506
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 3: are so.

1507
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 11: Cute oh wait say that.

1508
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 3: Again oh, yes bag bomb.

1509
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 4: The cow utter, Chap, NO i have no id do

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Speaker 4: what that?

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Speaker 6: Is so cows have udders that get milked right and

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Speaker 6: it gets, chapped and they make this product called bag

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Speaker 6: bomb and they sell it everywhere At target, wear and

1514
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Speaker 6: it's really good for chapped hands and.

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Speaker 8: Feet my Friend Maureen smith swore by it back in.

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 8: College we're all, like what is up with the teeth?

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Speaker 8: Cream because no one had heard of, it you, know

1518
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 8: twenty five.

1519
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: Years, yeah it's the. Best WELL i have you, guys

1520
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 3: what do we do for hair? Growth it seems LIKE

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Speaker 3: i have THE i have the germytology. Tested what?

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 6: Pills, oh, really pills? Possible it's supposed to be good.

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01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: For your hair and.

1524
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: Nails oh that still works on for, us our our old.

1525
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 3: Ladies, YEAH i don't. Know i've heard that's what you're so,

1526
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: mean it would make sense postal.

1527
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 11: Pills i'll take them if it grows my.

1528
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 3: Hair harry mended pozzle. PILLS i, MEAN i see the.

1529
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 3: Commercials i'm SORRY i GOT i got very off.

1530
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 15: Track But i'm feeling a little trapped and my hair

1531
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 15: feels a little.

1532
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 11: Town before we run out of, TIME i just want

1533
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 11: to say we have our true crime and chill that

1534
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 11: we need to sort.

1535
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 3: Of get to. Goodness let's get after it.

1536
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 11: Hard because the suggestion is people can watch it over

1537
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 11: the holidays and you.

1538
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 3: Know oh good.

1539
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 11: Idea you know plenty of time we can get back

1540
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 11: and watch it. There we got a lot of talk

1541
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 11: backs about different, ones but because we're running a little behind,

1542
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 11: Time i'm going to suggest we just play one that

1543
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 11: was a really popular request and we go with that.

1544
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: Idea first, off, THOUGH i have to jump in to.

1545
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 3: Digress oh my, god, body your skin looks like.

1546
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 4: Glass, Yeah i'm telling, you it's just.

1547
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 6: Medicue, okay, okay we're, not by the, way sponsored by.

1548
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 6: Anything WAY i would take a sponsorship in a heartbeat.

1549
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 6: Medicine if you're, LISTENING i have the The booster, pro

1550
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 6: which is like the electric you.

1551
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 3: KNOW i just watched this real, time so you look

1552
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 3: like and it looks. Amazing so it looks so.

1553
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 11: GOOD i need all.

1554
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 3: IT i want all of.

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01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 4: It i'll send you the. Links it's, okay, great that.

1556
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 3: Same It's.

1557
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 4: Korean It's korean.

1558
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 3: Skin they know what's.

1559
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 4: Up they know what they're.

1560
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 3: Doing let me tell you. What they know what they're

1561
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 3: doing the.

1562
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 4: Best SO i do a BRIGHTENING i do a brightening,

1563
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 4: thing and THEN i do a.

1564
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 15: Toy it looks SO i just watched that literally started

1565
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 15: back from commercial and we were starting and not to,

1566
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 15: DIGRESS i know true crime and, chill but like, seconds, yeah, yeah,

1567
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 15: NO i want amazing get.

1568
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 4: And this thing is the key that the wand that.

1569
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: You've been talking.

1570
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: About okay you will sidebar about, This, YEAH i, Know, okay,

1571
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: anyway That's i'm, Sorry.

1572
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: Shill, okay, yeah we.

1573
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 8: Just we got.

1574
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 11: Sidetracked But, ADAM i think you're.

1575
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: Ready just let's hit it and we'll quick is like

1576
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 3: over the. Conversation good, morning due crime and.

1577
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 9: Chill i'm on my way to work And i'm finally

1578
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 9: biting the bullet to call you on this talk back

1579
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 9: to tell You Carmen Family.

1580
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 4: Murders documentary On.

1581
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 3: Netflix has mental, health has, money it has, screed it

1582
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 3: has The High Seas.

1583
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 8: Laws has.

1584
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 4: Everything it's such a good.

1585
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: One it's a one episode. Thing he gets like an

1586
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 3: hour and a. Half totally look into. It emily From,

1587
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 3: boston well north Of. Boston, okay then.

1588
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 11: Point did? It you did?

1589
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: It this version like it was.

1590
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 11: Perfect it laid it. Out it's a short, one WHICH i.

1591
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 11: Love like that's already done so we can quickly. Watch

1592
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 11: i'll just give you a little summary of it. THINGS

1593
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 11: i want everyone to enjoy it when they sit back

1594
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 11: and watch. It this is based on The carmine family,

1595
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 11: tragedy which centers On Nathan. Carmine he's the man who

1596
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 11: was accused of killing his mother during a twenty sixteen fishing.

1597
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: Trip, wait are you spoiling? It are we getting a?

1598
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 11: Spoiler? No, no, no this is like the background moosy.

1599
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 11: Part but you'll still follow along with the doc and really.

1600
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: UNDERSTAND i don't know anything about. This it's courtney to.

1601
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 11: You why you're gonna love.

1602
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 3: IT i hadn't heard this. Before can we just watch

1603
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: it and not hear all about?

1604
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 11: It, Okay, Well i'm just gonna give you one, more one.

1605
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 11: More he was also suspected in another, death and his

1606
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 11: family has, multimillions so there's money. Involved the yacht says

1607
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 11: the high, seas so there's there's a lot with. This

1608
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 11: i'll just leave that little, teaser BUT i think it's worth,

1609
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 11: watching AND i think you will all unpack it. Together

1610
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 11: did he Know Jeffrey? EBSTEIN i will check into. That

1611
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 11: i'm not sure or if he donated To, harvard But

1612
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 11: i'll find out some details about what's happened with that. Background,

1613
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 11: Okay i'm going to confirm. This but, NO i had

1614
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 11: not heard of the, doc AND i know, Taha you've

1615
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 11: been very.

1616
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 8: Excited But i'm pretty certain THAT i know Us marshall

1617
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 8: who worked on this, case so we'll have TO i

1618
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 8: have him on the.

1619
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 4: Show he definitely talked yes WHEN i was.

1620
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 8: Looking, yes when you were talking through the, details AND

1621
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 8: i was, like, oh so let me.

1622
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: AND i think you spoiled the you were you you

1623
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: NOW i knew, nothing which is one of us usually

1624
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: knows a. Case of the three of, us usually somebody knows.

1625
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: IT i don't think any of us knew.

1626
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 6: THIS i have never.

1627
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 4: DIED i never heard of.

1628
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 11: It even more twists and. Turns so if you like

1629
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 11: that little, teaser you're gonna love the, breath that edge

1630
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 11: of r giving you the best. Part so you'll you'll

1631
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 11: you'll have to tune in for. That BUT i think

1632
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 11: this one we can all, watch will be full from

1633
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 11: Our turkey, dinners and we come back after the, holidays

1634
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 11: will unpack that one with.

1635
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: Everyone SO i have a question about true crime and

1636
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: show for the for, everybody for the, team and that

1637
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: includes the audience, team like we do The True crime

1638
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: and shill we all, watch but then it ends up

1639
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: us just talking about, it meaning us on the show

1640
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: and really it's supposed to be more of a. COMMUNITY i,

1641
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: feel who cares what we? Think we're Not cisco and,

1642
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 2: neighbor you, know like our. Opinions although love to talk about,

1643
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 2: it but like we want to hear everybody else's thoughts on.

1644
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 3: It you.

1645
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 6: Know WHAT i feel happens is like everybody watches it

1646
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 6: and then we talk about, it and then they.

1647
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 4: Call in with talkbacks after After, yeah right.

1648
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 6: After they hear what we, say then, they're, OH i

1649
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 6: wanted to talk about what you were, Saying, stephanie you

1650
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 6: know WHAT i?

1651
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 4: Mean instead of calling too much?

1652
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: Time should we give a little more time to? Watch

1653
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll, SAY i think give the.

1654
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 11: Time maybe we'll give more time and remind people because

1655
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 11: even the last, one we had like quite a few

1656
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 11: people who called it About eileen and that. Documentary we

1657
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 11: did have a lot for that.

1658
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 3: One, yeah a lot of.

1659
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 11: People that resonated With AND i think it was, partially you,

1660
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 11: know not to toot my own, horn BUT i think

1661
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 11: the conversation that THAT i said and you guys should

1662
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 11: have about. It you were all everyone had strong. Opinions

1663
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 11: so the three of you really resonate with people and

1664
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 11: they start to react to. It SO i think it's

1665
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 11: because this group knows what they're.

1666
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 16: Doing so what do you do for Your by the,

1667
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 16: way bodies full on has a light like you are

1668
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 16: doing full on makin it?

1669
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 3: Right AND i want. In but your skin is always

1670
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 3: so perfect no one has seen he looks like a movie.

1671
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 3: Star oh you're always.

1672
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 8: A bright and shiny and a crest commercial like so?

1673
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 8: Shiny are you use making soda on your teeth every?

1674
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 13: Day?

1675
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 4: Watch watch a?

1676
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 3: Twitch you?

1677
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 11: See is that the twitching? Eye there?

1678
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 3: Goes it's this. Thing, okay switch your. WEBSITE i think

1679
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: everybody needs.

1680
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 2: That so if everyone's feeling lost during the, holidays that's

1681
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: all new self care and get our skin.

1682
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 3: Going, listen it's self.

1683
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 11: Care, okay, Yeah, tuesday it's Pre Thanksgiving, tuesday so we

1684
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 11: were you, know we're getting ready for side. NOTE i

1685
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 11: think we got people who sent Some thanksgiving. Messages do

1686
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 11: you want to hear what they? Said let's yes on.

1687
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 17: MY dap From atlanta talking About. THANKSGIVING i always like

1688
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 17: to think for my. Freedom WHEN i was born my

1689
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 17: first country with their ad. Dictatorship, luckily the dictator passed

1690
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 17: away three months after my, birthday SO i was literally

1691
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 17: born with. DEMOCRACY i migrated to THE us to get

1692
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 17: my PhD in two thousand and became a citizen in

1693
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 17: two thousand and. One sorry twenty. ELEVEN i feel that

1694
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 17: We americans take liberties for, granted and which a certainly.

1695
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 17: Should so let's all take a moment to appreciate the

1696
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 17: freedoms that have been bestowed upon us that many many

1697
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 17: in the world do not.

1698
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 13: Have on a lighter, NOTE i also want to.

1699
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 17: Give thanks for. Potatoes mas baked and.

1700
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 11: Choked up.

1701
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: Message and very true. Perspective and so my mom is

1702
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 3: From germany and immigrated. Here what a great. MESSAGE i

1703
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: want to cry right. Now AND i love. Potatoes. Zoom,

1704
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 3: Anyway i'm thankful for potatoes as.

1705
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 5: Well.

1706
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 8: Mary i'm having potatoes and this isn't Even i'm also

1707
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 8: having sweet.

1708
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 3: Potatoes BUT i am having potatoes three ways this year

1709
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: at my.

1710
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 8: HOUSE i love SCALP i don't make, those, no it's

1711
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 8: with you, body it's. Variation so it's JUST i do,

1712
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 8: irish you, know mashed potatoes with my, riser and they're very.

1713
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 3: Good and then for.

1714
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 8: People who don't eat, CREAM i make a little pot

1715
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 8: of olive oil mashed, potatoes which are actually very.

1716
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 3: Delicious and it's a different. Vibe it's quite.

1717
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 8: Nice and then this, year my, kid he must have

1718
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 8: seen some commercial because we were shopping and he's, like

1719
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 8: and he's, like you, know you can Put philadelphia cream

1720
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 8: cheese in, anything. Potatoes in, fact you can Put philadelphia

1721
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 8: cream cheese and lots of.

1722
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Things. Yeah so it's like a little, yeah a little.

1723
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 8: Ad so since he's into, it and he's also offered

1724
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 8: to peel and chop all ten.

1725
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 3: Pounds of potatoes like a, zero he.

1726
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 8: Can have his weird experiment and have cream cheese smashed

1727
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 8: potatoes as. Well cream cheese is a real additive in.

1728
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 8: Eggs CAN i tell you?

1729
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 6: Delicious the best little appetizer to bring to like any

1730
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 6: kind Of, Thanksgiving and it takes five. Minutes it's a

1731
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 6: block of cream. Cheese of Course i'm. There that's in

1732
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 6: it's or it's, softened so you leave it out in

1733
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 6: your counter for a, while and then you just pour

1734
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 6: pepper jelly over. It oh, yes and then bake it

1735
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 6: for a little.

1736
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 3: Bit it's.

1737
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 4: DELICIOUS i actually.

1738
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 3: Have all of those. INGREDIENTS i don't know about the pepper.

1739
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 3: JELLY i have some kind of a. Jelly it really

1740
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 3: does need does that. Counts you want a little, kick

1741
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 3: you need to have a little. KICK i was gonna

1742
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: make it right now.

1743
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 4: Really wants us to get you another.

1744
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 11: Time thanksgiving.

1745
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 14: Messages lisa From pittsburgh, here sending you a little gobble

1746
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 14: gobble and happy. Birthday SINCE i listened to you guys every,

1747
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 14: DAY i Think i'm half expecting you to be at

1748
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 14: my turkey table since you want.

1749
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: Happy holidays and look forward to oor. Next, listen oh, listen.

1750
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: And we're here tomorrow. Too if you're in the you,

1751
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: know The thanksgiving, hustle it's a. Lot it's a lot

1752
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: in good days and bad. Days we're here for all of,

1753
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: it and we're so grateful to get to be with.

1754
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 2: You so on behalf of all of. Us and high

1755
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: five to the. Team Adam, Courtney, Body, god we love.

1756
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 2: You body is just looking like Sweet, yes.

1757
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 11: And you.

1758
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Listen we're still, here so we'll be here tomorrow and

1759
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: if you want to join, us please do eight eight

1760
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: eight three one. Crime thank you for the, Talkbacks thank

1761
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: you For. Gina happy birthday. Again we love, you and

1762
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: so much more to. Come so stay, well stay, safe

1763
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 2: and we will talk to you.

1764
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 3: Tomorrow