1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. You would have to be 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: under a rock in a cave on the other side 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: of the world, and even then you would probably still 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: hear about Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard. And guess what, 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: it's not over yet. I mean, Nancy Grace, this is 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Even within the 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: last hours, Amber Heard is publicly stating that she stands 9 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: by her testimony and that she was beaten by Johnny 10 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Depp and slamming the glamorous lawyer Camille Vasquez for defending 11 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: the quote liar she's referring to Johnny Depp. Let's just 12 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: kick it off, guys. I want you to hear my 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: friend from Court TV, Savannah Guthrie now of course, at 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: the NBC Today Show. This is Savannah speaking with Amber 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and you can see it on air Tuesday June fourteen, 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday June fifteen on NBC Today, Friday June seventeen on 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: Dateline on NBC. Of course, I want you to take 18 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: a listen to Savannah speaking with Amber as you sit 19 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: here with me. Now has it sunken? How could it surreal? 20 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: And difficult in part. Yes, this has been a long 21 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: time coming. Do you stand by your testimony and your 22 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: accusations against Johnny Depp about abuse? Of course, to my 23 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: dying day, will stand by every word of my testimony. 24 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: You are hearing Amber heard speaking out stating that she's 25 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: standing by her testimony. Now, that is not surprising to 26 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: me at all, but taking a swipe at the jury, 27 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I am a little surprised at that, and I want 28 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: you to hear what Amber heard states to our friends 29 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie at NBC and again. You can see it 30 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: all on the Today Show June fifteen and ju fourteen, 31 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: and then Friday night on Dateline. Listen, this is our 32 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: cut z. I don't care what one thinks about me 33 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: or what judgments you want to make about what happened 34 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: in the privacy of my own home, in my marriage, 35 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: behind closed stores. I don't presume the average person should 36 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: know those things, and so I don't take it personally. 37 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: But even somebody who is sure I'm deserving of all 38 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: this hate in vitriol, even if you think that I'm lying, 39 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: you still couldn't look me in the eye and tell 40 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: me that you think on social media there's been a 41 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: fair representation. You cannot tell me that you think that 42 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: this has been fair. Of course, we also touched on 43 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: what happened in court and what the jury decided. There's 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: no polite way to say it. The jury looked at 45 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: the evidence you presented, They listened to your testimony, and 46 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: they did not believe you. They thought you were lying. 47 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: How could I'll put it this way, how could they 48 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: make a judgment? How could they not come to that conclusion? 49 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: They had sat in those seats and heard over three 50 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: weeks of NonStop, relentless testimony from paid employees, and towards 51 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: the end of the trial, Randos as I say, so, 52 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: you don't blame the jury. I don't blame them. It 53 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: wasn't I don't blame them. I actually understand. He's a 54 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: beloved character, and people feel they know him. He's a 55 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: fantastic actor. Their job is to not be dazzled by that. 56 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Their job is to look at the facts and the evidence, 57 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: and they did not believe your testimony or your evidence. Again, 58 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: how could they after listening to three and a half 59 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: weeks of testimony about how I was an noncredible person, 60 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: not to believe a word that came out of my mouth. Okay, 61 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: let's figure out what's happening right now. Apparently Johnny Depp 62 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: versus Amber heard is far from over even right now, 63 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Amber heard speaking out stating the jury got it wrong 64 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: and that Depp is a liar again. I Meancy Grace, 65 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: this is crime story Nicer being with us here at 66 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: flox Nation in series six one eleven with me an 67 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: all star panel deal car high profile lawyer, former fit 68 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: with the FBI, author of Arrest Proof Yourself. He's Adel 69 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: Carson Law dot com. Karen Stark for Now New York 70 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen Stark dot com. John Guard, Chief Deputy 71 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Pitt County Sheriff's Office. Susan Constantine, body language expert, author 72 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: of The Complete Idiots Guide to Reading Body Language. And 73 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: Charlie Langston Dailymail dot com. She is the editor of 74 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: Female That Is Femail. Charlie, what is happening and what 75 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: is her trying to say? Now? Yeah, we all watched 76 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: the trial. We all saw the same thing the jury saw. 77 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: The thing that really stuck out to me was when 78 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: she was saying, how could the jury believe me when 79 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: they had heard testimony saying that I was incredible? The 80 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: thing is it was her job to prove that she 81 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: was credible. It was her job, it was her legal 82 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: team's job to prove that her testimony was credible and 83 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: should be believed. So I don't know why she's blaming 84 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the jury for finding her uncredible. That's not their fault. 85 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Now she has once again publicly accused Depth of not 86 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: only being physically abusive towards her during their marriage, but 87 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: then of lying about it on the stand. And she's 88 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: also thrown the jury under the bus by saying that 89 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: they were duped by his fantastic acting, that they were 90 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: swayed by social media. I mean, honestly, there isn't a 91 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: single person here who she hasn't managed to insult. She 92 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: even insulted her own legal team by suggesting that Depth's 93 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: legal team did a better job of winning over the 94 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: jury during the trial. You know, here's the kicker, Dale 95 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Carson joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville. She 96 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: is again under the law. We call it republishing. In 97 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: other words, when you know something is false and you 98 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: publish it. In other words, you repeat it or you 99 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: print it when you republish something. Basically, she's doing the 100 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: same thing again and if he wanted to deep, I 101 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: think under the law could sue her again for what 102 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: she's say right now. Well, that's actually right, because it's 103 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: actionable what she's saying right now. And my advice to 104 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: all of my clients is to don't talk about stuff 105 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: to anybody. It can't help your case. You know. I 106 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: had an iron clad rule as a prosecutor that I 107 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: very rarely, if ever deviated from, and that was, don't 108 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: speak to the press about your case, period unless it's over. 109 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: If I was followed, I would always say the same thing. 110 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: I believe the jury will hand down a true verdict, ma'am. 111 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: That's it. That's much better than just saying no content. 112 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: And it shows you're more comfortable with the media than 113 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: a lot of prosecutors are because you need to say 114 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: something to the press, and it was true. I was 115 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: very confident that juries would hand out a true verdict. 116 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: And I also find this Susan Constantine with me. I mean, 117 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: she's the founder of the Human Behavior Academy dot com 118 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: with a new on demand course, how to Spot a 119 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Liar in seven seconds or less. Okay, I'm totally watching that, 120 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine. Susan all of us on the panel right now, 121 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: watch this trial. I want to figure out from your 122 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: point of view, what is she doing. Even an animal 123 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: goes to its cave to lick its wounds alone, why 124 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: come out full force like this? You know what? I 125 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: think that this really boils back down to she's just 126 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: emotionally unstable. I think this really is more rooted psychologically, 127 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: and all we're seeing is all of that playing out again. 128 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: She cannot be told. She said, you cannot tell me, 129 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: and you just stop right there. Right there in that 130 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: statement is telling you you can't tell me anything because 131 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: everything that she says is truth. Whatever everything says that 132 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: Johnny Deps and his team says is false. But she 133 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: has already been convicted, so to speak, based on her 134 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: own demeanor evidence. I mean, her snarkiness, her condescension, She 135 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: plays the victim, her dramas drama, dramatizing everything that when 136 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: you read, when you watch her facial expressions, Nancy, it 137 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: is really remarkable when you see that she really exhibits 138 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: this really negative of expressions of contempt and disgust. And 139 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: what's happening is that when because she shows it so much, 140 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: it actually is creating in front of that jury in 141 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: the public to feel those same emotions. But it's being 142 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: now on her because that's what happens when you're around 143 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: someone you smile, It creates smiling when you're snarky, and 144 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: so what it's going to create that snarkiness so negative 145 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: to get negativity so that she's she is her own 146 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: worth enemy. I wouldn't you know. I've worked in cases 147 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: like similar to this. I worked on the Jeffrey Epstein 148 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: case and worked as a witness good witness prop for 149 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: one of the sexual assault victims. And I'll tell you what. 150 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: I've worked with her like six different times, listening through 151 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: cross examination, et cetera, how she would respond and watching 152 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: her demeanor and everything met up to what a victim 153 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: would be like. Okay, and Amber Heard exhibits everything what 154 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: a victim doesn't look like. So you know, but if 155 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: the evidence is there, demeanor evidence is there, and that's 156 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: what the problem is. You know, I'm very curious about 157 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: something he just says is in constantane. You said Amber 158 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: Heard represents everything a victim doesn't look like. What do 159 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: you mean by that? Okay? What I mean by that 160 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: is that her expressions were not emoting what her words 161 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: were saying. So when she was talking about her being victimized, 162 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: or that he was hitting her or whatever, her hands 163 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: did not move in the same movement her hand gestures 164 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: or facial expressions, and they were out of sink. So 165 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: that what happened was is that her she was exaggerating 166 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: in strength. I do believe that there was altercation, but 167 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: she exploited it and made it so much bigger than 168 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: what it was. That's why it was throwing off all 169 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: those indicators of deception. And that's what I thought, That's 170 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. She didn't appear like a true 171 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: victim because it wasn't in sink, and when it's out 172 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: of sink, it's out of stink for a reason. Time 173 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace to Charlie Links and joining me 174 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: editor of Female at delhimall dot com. I found this 175 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: very unusual that somebody goes online claiming to be a 176 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: jurar off the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial, and unusually 177 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: these jurars can remain anonymous for up to a year. 178 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: This person goes online claiming to be a depth jurar 179 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: and states everything she was saying came off like bull 180 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: shi and that because Amber lied. Amber heard lied about 181 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: donating divorce settlement money to charities. Because she lied about that, 182 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: that that big fat hawk and lie sunk her credibility. 183 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: Now it's coming out this may vary well not be 184 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: a jurar. It's believed at the diatribe was sent from 185 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: an email not within the Virginia area. But that said, 186 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna lie about your donations to 187 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: charity and trying to fake off the jury saying, well, 188 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: to me, donating pledge are the same thing. It's not 189 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: a pledge as a promise that you're gonna do something. 190 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, 191 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: but it's a whole another thing whether you actually fought 192 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: over the money. Charlie, what do you think about the 193 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: person claiming to be a Depth JURR Well, I think, 194 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this person has now been proven to be 195 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: a fake. But I think what they were saying and 196 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: what they were publishing on their TikTok account were points 197 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: that had already been made by legal experts, by members 198 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: of Depth's own legal team. And that was that Amber 199 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: lied on the stand that made the jury not believe 200 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: everything else that she said. And I think it's also 201 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: worth pointing out Amber has admitted to being violent towards Johnny. 202 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: She said that in her Today interview with Savannah Guthrie. However, 203 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: she once again, rather than taking full accountability, she deflected 204 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: it back to Johnny and said, oh, well, yes I 205 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: might have hit him, I might have done horrible things, 206 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: but I only ever did it because I was a 207 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: victim of psychological, emotional and physical abuse. And what Depth's 208 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: legal team has already said is that they believe one 209 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: of the major reasons that the jury did not get 210 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: behind her is because she failed to take accountability for 211 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: any of her actions on the stand. You had Depth 212 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: who readily admitted to having issues with drug and alcohol 213 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: substance abuse. He admitted to staying and texting, saying he 214 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: wished he hadn't. However, Amber had an excuse for everything. 215 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: While she's kind of said, oh well, yes I might 216 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: have done this, it was only because this had happened 217 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: to me. And I think that that's one of the 218 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: key things that prevented the jury from really believing her 219 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: the credible witness who kind of felt remorse and who 220 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: was really struggling as a victim. Regarding the jury, there 221 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: are very subtle insults to the jury and everything that 222 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: she says. She says that they were persuaded by Johnny 223 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Depp's reputation he's a beloved actor, that they couldn't see 224 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: the truth that they basically had been getting their evidence 225 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: and facts from social media, even though the judge instruct 226 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: to them not to. As a matter of fact, take 227 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut b B. Now again, this 228 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: is Amber heard speaking to our friends Savannah Guthrie at 229 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: NBC Today and you can see that on the Today 230 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: Show Tuesday and Wednesday, and on NBC at Night on 231 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: Friday on Dateline. Listen. Vast majority of this trial was 232 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: played out on social media. I think that this trial 233 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: is an example of that gone hey, why are gone 234 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: them up? And the jury is not immune to that. 235 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Do you think the jury saw it? How could they not? 236 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: I think even the most well intentioned or it would 237 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: have been impossible to avoid this and more in our 238 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: cut A, I would not blame the average person for 239 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: looking at this and how it's been covered and not 240 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: think that it is a Hollywood brats at their worst. 241 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: But what people don't understand is it's actually so much 242 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: bigger than that this is. This is not only about 243 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: our First Amendment right to speak. But here's the thing 244 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: about the First Amendment. The First Amendment protects free speech. 245 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't protect lies that amount to defamation. And that 246 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: was the issue in the case. Yes, exactly, you can't 247 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: go into the free speech does not protect you if you, 248 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, go into a crowded theater and you scream fire. 249 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: We get the concept of free speech from the Greeks. 250 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: My understanding of what that means is not just the 251 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: freedom to speak. It's a freedom to speak truth to power. 252 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: The truth is the word. Yes, that was the issue, 253 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: and that's all I spoke, and I spoke it to power, 254 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: and I paid the price. Okay, do not mess with 255 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie when it comes to the law, because she 256 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: is not only a journalist, she's a lawyer as well. 257 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: So don't be coming at her with your home cooked 258 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: theories about what the First Amendment really is because she 259 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: will totally call you on that. Karen starting your psychologists 260 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: joining for us from Manhattan. Karen, she's actually digging in. 261 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: I spoke to truth and power and I paid the price. 262 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: She's digging in. Those are her words, not mine, and 263 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: blaming the jury, accusing them of trolling the internet during 264 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: the trial. And if you listen to it, Nancy, if 265 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: she's trying to get public opinion to turn in her favor, 266 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: then she's going in a totally wrong direction because it 267 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: still doesn't account like this woman is being accountable for anything. 268 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: And why in the world after she's being asked to 269 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: give ten million dollars to Johnny Depp, would she go 270 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: on air and start this all over again. There's something 271 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: really wrong. And I do agree with you, I really 272 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: do that both of them are at fall. But at 273 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: least he's taking responsibility for his end of it. I 274 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: don't think it was just acting. I think he was 275 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: able to say, yeah, I did these things, and she 276 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: comes across as not just she you know all this 277 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: has happened to me, but kind of arrogant and look 278 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: at that jury and justice has not been served and 279 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: it's really something that is not going to be if 280 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: people think another thing. I wouldn't be surprised if she 281 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: doesn't end up getting sued again. There was talk after 282 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: you Trolley lankson dalemall dot com that Depp may not 283 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: go after her for the money that he has cleared 284 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: his name, he won a trial, and he would not 285 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: pursue what turns out to be about eight point three 286 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: five million dollars. What about that? Yes, his legal team 287 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: have suggested that he might be willing to waive the 288 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: payment now that his reputation has been restored. They've made 289 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: very clear that this trial for him was not about 290 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: getting a huge lump sum of money. It was not 291 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: about bankrupting Amber. It was about clearing his name as 292 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: far as the legal process was concerned and as far 293 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: as the court of public opinion is concerned, and I 294 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: think he has proven very clearly that that has happened. 295 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: We've seen rumors circulating that he is going to be 296 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: do more movies, that he's going to be doing sequels 297 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: to movies that he's already made. His dr Fragrance AD 298 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: has been put back on the air after his name 299 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: was cleared in court. So I think as far as 300 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: his reputation is concerned, he's done exactly what he wanted 301 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: to do. Now the question will be whether or not 302 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: he decides to pursue legal action against Amber for this 303 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: Today's Show interview, not because he wants to try and 304 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: gain money from her, but because I think he needs 305 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: to make clear that this isn't going to be something 306 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: that he's going to allow to continue for months, if 307 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: not years on end. My question would be, if this 308 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: interview goes unchecked, if these republished claims against him of 309 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: physical abuse go unchecked, what does that mean for the 310 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: future and what else might Amber come forward and say 311 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: in the months and indeed years after the trial has concluded. 312 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: So we also learned that he is heading across the 313 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: ocean to create a movie about Louis the fifteenth in France, 314 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: and there are rumblings that there may be a Pirates 315 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: of the Caribbean reboot. We'll wait to see about that. 316 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: But how did the two of them respond to the 317 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: jury verdict? We understand Depth was still the UK touring 318 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: with his band, but he took a little D two 319 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: or take less an hour cut l L. Yeah, we 320 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: were very excited to have Johnny Depp in our restaurant, 321 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of rumors going around at 322 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: the moment in respect to how much he actually spent 323 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: in the restaurant and his an unconfirmed amount because we 324 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: haven't actually disclosed anything as of yet. But you I 325 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: understand had quite a long chat with Johnny Depp, but 326 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: maybe about his movie career is all right. We were 327 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: just discussing his day to day life at the moment 328 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: and how he's enjoying Birmingham, what he likes to eat, 329 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: and we were just delighted to have him now. Restaurant 330 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: in Birmingham City Center is quite unheard of to have 331 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: an alista being around, especially on Broad Street in Birmingham. 332 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Piers Morgan speaking to the owner 333 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: of the curry house where a dept went to celebrate 334 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: the victory around fifty thousand pounds, which I think equals 335 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: up to about sixty thousand dollars. No depth bitn't need 336 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: all that. As usual, he had an entourage hanging around 337 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: that he had to pay for or chose to pay for. 338 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: John Guard, chief deputy joining us a Pitt County Sheriff's 339 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: Office out of Greenville, North Carolina. John, I want to 340 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: circle back to clearly the angry feelings between the two 341 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: of them. It was not resolved with a jury verdict, 342 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: was it. You can see that by Hurd's comments basically 343 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: suddenly dismissing the jury verdict, explaining away how they couldn't 344 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: see the truth through depths persona, how they got their 345 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: information from social media, how he did a great acting 346 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: job and they fell for it, and so forth and 347 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: so on. So is that the way it always ends 348 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: in domestic cases, the bitter feud goes on well after 349 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: the verdict. Well, you know, not necessarily. And I just 350 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: like to say how glad I am that I work 351 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: within the criminal courts and you know, a lot of 352 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: our cases or I'll navigate the courts in a different way, 353 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: different levels of proof. And fortunately of those that do report, 354 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: we're able to come in and do an investigation and 355 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: have you know, unbiased fact finders bringing information in. But 356 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, as a career officer and one that's focused 357 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: the majority of his career on the prevention of intimate 358 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: partner violence, I'm just I hope that we don't take 359 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: a step backwards for folks that are victimized behind closed doors. 360 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: And I don't say that from a gender end, whether 361 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: it's for him, I just say anyone, because of the 362 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: damage that it does, you know, daily around this country 363 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: to many, many, many many people. You know what You're 364 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: very right, John Guard, John Guard, Chief deb at Pitt 365 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office in Greenville. In this case, we have 366 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: Amber heard self proclaiming that she is a crime victim. Now, 367 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: whether you believe her or not, from this point on, 368 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: you're going to have juries being argued. Defense attorney's arguing 369 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: two juries. Ah, she's lying, She's pulling an Amber. That's 370 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: what's going to happen from this point forward. There's really 371 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: no way around it. Whether you believe her or don't 372 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: believe her. The reality is the jury sided with depth 373 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: and from this point forward, this is going to be 374 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: a common defense and domestic cases, domestic meetings. And not 375 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: only did I prosecute them, I volunteered at the Battered 376 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Women's Center at night for nine years. Domestic abuse violence 377 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: is real and very often, unlike Amber heard, these women 378 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: and they are typically women don't have the resources, the money, 379 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: the wherewithal, the strength, the connections to leave the home. 380 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: Very often they're there until they're killed. Domestic homicide, and 381 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: it's escalating, by the way, it's not getting any better. 382 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: It's actually escalating. Very often mothers feel they don't have 383 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: the money to leave, they don't have a way to 384 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: support their children, they don't want to break up the home. 385 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: It's being reported more fortunately today, it probably always existed 386 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: at one level or another. And as to the actual 387 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: case involving herd and depth or two important points that 388 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: need to be brought forward. One is that the crucible 389 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: of cross examinations critical to justice in the United States. 390 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: And when you put witnesses on the stand and list 391 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the jury gets to listen to what they have to say, 392 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: they can make an informed decision. Add to the credibility 393 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: both the defense witnesses and prosecution witnesses. And more than that, 394 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: what Ambers got wrong is the fact that the jurors 395 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to listen to social media, weren't affected by it, 396 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: And that's not true for the participants in the case. 397 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: They could listen to all the social media they wanted to, 398 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: and perhaps they know things more than the jurors did. 399 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: But the jurors looked at the testimony day, we looked 400 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: at the witnesses, and they made an informed decision. And 401 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: that crucible of cross examinations critical to proper justice in 402 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: American I think you would agree, is this, Dell Carson? Yes, 403 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: the cross examination was relentless in this case on both sides. 404 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: So what now take Listen to our friends at ETR 405 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: cut p P. What's her next move? She's right, well, 406 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: her next move is appeal. Amber Heard's lawyer says she's 407 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: ready to fight back. Following Johnny Depp's victory in his 408 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: defamation trial against her, Elaine Bredhoff told CBS Mornings that 409 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: Hurd has plans to appeal after the jury decided the 410 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: actor was in fact defamed by her, awarding him fifteen 411 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: million dollars in both punitive and compensatory damages. And one 412 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: of the first things that she said when she came 413 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: back from the verdict when we went into the conference 414 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: from was I am so sorry to all these women 415 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: that yes, she felt like she had let down all 416 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: of these women. It's a sentiment, the actress echoed following 417 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: the verdict in a statement she posted on Instagram, calling 418 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: out her disappointment and feeling heartbroken. Quote, the mountain of 419 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: evidence still was not enough to stand up to the 420 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: disproportionate power, influence and sway of my ex husband. I'm 421 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: even more disappointed with what this verdict means for other women. 422 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: It is a setback. It sets back the clock to 423 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: a time when a woman who spoke up and spoke 424 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: out could be publicly shamed and humiliated, you know, to you. 425 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: Charlie Langston, a female editor at dailymail dot Com, I 426 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: understand that amberhard was just spot at taking a private 427 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: plane to Teterborough and then ending up at a ritzy 428 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: Hampton's restaurant. She was She was pictured getting on a 429 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: private jet in DC, and we believe that this is 430 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: the flight that she took to New York in order 431 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: to film her Today's Show interviews. So it remains to 432 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: be seen who paid for the private jet. But I 433 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: will say, if you've got your lawyer going on TV 434 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: telling the world that you are incapable of paying the 435 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: eight point three five million dollar kind of damages settlement 436 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: that you are being told to give your ex husband, 437 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: getting up on a private plane while toting a designer 438 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: handbag is not exactly a great message to be sending 439 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: to the world. Yes, Susan Constantine, that's not a good visual. No, 440 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: it's not a good visual. And you know, first impressions 441 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: and last impressions are super important. So people are judging 442 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: you based on who demeanor your dress, how you conducting 443 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: your life, and we assess them and we then profile them, 444 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: and that's just the way it is. The way they 445 00:29:51,600 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: Alloway's been is never going to change time stories with 446 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you know of when we look back at 447 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: the trial and we see what's going forward. Amber Heard 448 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: says she is going to appeal. What would the grounds 449 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: be to you, Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining out 450 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. What could the grounds be? Well, it would 451 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: have to be some error by the court in admitting 452 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: some evidence that was in properly admitted or something like that, 453 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: or testimony that came out during the course the trial. 454 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: There was subject of motion and lemony, in other words, 455 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: the discussion between the two sides that certain testimony should 456 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: not come in. But the buy and large problem for 457 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: her is that she has to put up a bond 458 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: for the amount of money that she's due to Odell, 459 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know that that's possible where she would 460 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: come up with the ten million dollars exactly. I'm wanted 461 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: to take a listen again to our friends, Savannah Gothrighte 462 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: NBC Today speaking to Amber Heard. Now you can hear 463 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: this on the Today Show Tuesday and Wednesday, and on 464 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: Dateline NBC on Friday night. Take a listen to our 465 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: cut F F and d D in the closing arguments, 466 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: the depth lawyer said called your testimony the performance of 467 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: a lifetime and said you were acting. What do you 468 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: say to that, says the lawyer for the man who 469 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: convinced the world he had scissors for fingers. I'm the performer. 470 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: I had listened to weeks of testimony insinuating that. We're 471 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: saying quite directly that you know I'm a terrible actress. 472 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: So I'm a bit confused how I could be both. 473 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: I never had to instigate it. I responded to it. 474 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 1: When you're living in violence and it becomes it becomes normal, 475 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: as I testified to you have to adapt. You say 476 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: you were responding, but there is evidence. There are tapes 477 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: in which you acknowledge hitting. There are tapes in which 478 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: you say I started the fight. I know much has 479 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: been made of these audio tapes. They were first leaked 480 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: online after being edited. What you would hear in those 481 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: clips are not evidence of what was happening. It was 482 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: evidence of a negotiation of how to talk about that 483 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: with your abuser. Okay, what is she saying, Charlie Lankston 484 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: that the tapes were leaked and edited. She's essentially saying 485 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: that only small portions of three hour long audio tapes 486 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: were a leaked online prior to the trial and then 487 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: ed in the trial, and Savannah rightly so questioned why 488 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: Amber's lawyers couldn't have submitted all three hours of these 489 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: audio tapes. Why on us if three hours of audio 490 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: recordings exist that will have presumably helped Amber's case, why 491 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: on us couldn't her lawyers have submitted those as evidence, 492 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: to which Ambo was only able to reply. While I'm 493 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: not a lawyer, del Carson joining us out of Jacksonville Dell, 494 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: that's a fundamental rule of evidence. You are not to 495 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: allow in evidence that is only a portion of a 496 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: fuller transcript or video or document. That is a fundamental 497 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: rule of evidence. So I believe that if this is 498 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: true what she's saying, that it should have been admitted 499 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: into evidence if it existed, well, if the court allowed 500 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: it improperly to appear in front of the jors, then 501 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: that is the basis for a rehearing on the matter 502 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: in its entire well, if it is presented to the court. 503 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: What we're saying, guys, is that I'm not saying that 504 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: Depth had to play the whole three hours, but the 505 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: whole three hours had to be admitted for the jury consideration. 506 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: It's not forcing either side to play the full three hours, 507 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: but you can't later say, oh, that was edited. The 508 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: jury didn't see the whole thing. That's precisely why a 509 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: full document or a full tape must be admitted into evidence, 510 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: not just a portion you want somebody to see, as 511 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: if the rest doesn't exist. John Guard joining me, Chief 512 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: Deputy pitt County Sheriff's Office. Have you ever had a 513 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: case you specialize in domestic violence. Have you ever had 514 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: a case where the violence and the arguments were actually 515 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: caught on tape and on video. Yes, we have, and 516 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: just going back to that topic and again, you know, 517 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: living in the criminal courts world for so many years, 518 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: I mean that's why we have discovery. I mean, if 519 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: we have interviews or interrogations that are two, three fo 520 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: or six hours long, we're going to make sure that 521 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: defense counsel on the other side has an opportunity to 522 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: review all of that. I mean, you know, the Lady 523 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: of Justice is blind and all information needs to come 524 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: out so both sides can develop their trial plan, you know, 525 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: to seek justice and whatever justice means to them. To 526 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: Charlie Lengths to joining us from delimail dot com. Everybody 527 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: jump in on this at this point. To me, the 528 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: best thing Hurd could do would be stop talking number 529 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: one and pay off those charitable donations and let it 530 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: be known that she fulfilled a promise. I absolutely agree 531 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: with him. Otherwise, if she absolutely has to talk about it, 532 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: a don't repeat the same mistake which she just got 533 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: sued over, But say, you know what, I told the truth. 534 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: The jury chose not to believe me. I lost, and 535 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: now I'm picking up my career and focusing on my 536 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: daughter and trying to move forward. I think that's what 537 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: I would do if I had to say anything at all. 538 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: What about it? Charlie, Absolutely, I think she is digging 539 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: herself a hole by continuing to double down and repeat 540 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: these claims that she's already been sued over. She's already 541 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: been found guilty of defamation, she's already been ordered to 542 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: pay an enormous lump sum to Johnny Depp. If she 543 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: really can't pay that sum, and if she is really 544 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: planning to appeal, the best thing for her would be 545 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: to say, the jury ruled as it saw fit, I 546 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: stand by my testimony, and I will now leave it 547 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: in the hands of my lawyers to decide whether or 548 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: not we can move forward with an appeal, and then 549 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: she makes the charitable donations that she said she had 550 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: already made. She focuses on her personal life with her child, 551 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: and we wait to see how it will forward in 552 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: a courtroom. But she is now taking this out of 553 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: the hands of lawyers and jurors and judges and placing herself, 554 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: quite frankly, in front of a firing line. She's already 555 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: said that she's staying in hate and vitriol in the 556 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: court of public opinion, and I don't think she's doing 557 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: herself any favors by continuing to throw herself to the wolf. Susan, 558 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: I agree with what Charlie Lankson said, but I think 559 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: I would be even more blunt. I would say I 560 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: told the truth, the jury didn't believe me. I lost. 561 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to find the money to pay 562 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp, and I'm going to live up to what 563 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: I owe the charities. I'm going to take care of 564 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: my daughter and try to get work exactly. I think 565 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: then then she's start to regain people's trust again. I 566 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: think that this is a time for her to stay 567 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: away from the media and to self reflect, heal and 568 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: start to work on reinventing herself and becoming healthier. And 569 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: would you come about. She's going to come back stronger 570 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: than she ever was. And I think the world in 571 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: itself are very forgiving of people. But if she doesn't 572 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: own it, then people will never will. If she continues 573 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: to throw daggers, people will continue to throw daggers back 574 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: at her. But how could she be representing all women 575 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: and saying that it's a setback for a woman. It's 576 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: just ludicrous and a wrong to be shown up on 577 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: a private plane, to be eating in fancy restaurant, to 578 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: be living this lifestyle that she's flaunting and saying that 579 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: this is a setback, and she represents all women, all women, 580 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: she should be lying low. I mean, I think you 581 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: have to admit And I remember, I know we all 582 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: remember when when Owner ride Or shoplifted right, and she 583 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: was blacklisted for shoplifting for Pete's sake. I mean, you 584 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: got Roman Polanski, he right to a little girl in 585 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: a hot tub, and Hollywood's begging Ram to come back. Really, anyway, 586 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: I always thought that should never have gone to trial. 587 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: She should have plied guilty and said, look, I have 588 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: a problem. I did this thing, and I don't want 589 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: to be a bad role model for young girls that 590 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: watch my movies. I'm gonna start over, and I hope 591 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: you can forgive me and help me do a better job. 592 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: You know, you got to own it. You gotta admit 593 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: to whatever happened and try to move forward, not keep 594 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: churning over the same lies that the jury came back 595 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: with their verdict because the social media that the tapes 596 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: were edited. Just move forward and do something good. And 597 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: if you keep doing that, that's the only way you'll 598 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: have a shot. Hey, that ten million dollar verdict ain't 599 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: gonna pay itself. We wait as justice unfalse. Goodbye friend,