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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly Frye and

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracey B.

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Speaker 2: Wilson.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Joaquin Torres Garcia this week.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those times where my forgetful brain

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Speaker 1: takes a minute to put together what a thing is

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Speaker 1: in terms of references, because I had said at the

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Speaker 1: top of the episode that I was trying to work

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Speaker 1: on another Latin American artist, and I kind of sputtered

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Speaker 1: out because there just was not enough material that I

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Speaker 1: could get my hands on that was in English. And

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Speaker 1: so I was like, who are other Latin American artists?

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Speaker 1: And I had done some searching online and consulting lists,

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Speaker 1: and I saw his name and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. And I started reading about him, and then

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Speaker 1: I started looking through my pictures that I took when

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Speaker 1: we were in Barcelona in various museums, and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's his work. There's this we're gonna get. I already

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Speaker 1: had him on my list, I just forgot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, the brain is what it is.

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Speaker 1: But I'm so glad that I came back to him,

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Speaker 1: because I really enjoyed learning more about him, even with

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Speaker 1: a Madam Bolovotsky jump Scar. She's everywhere, that woman. I

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Speaker 1: told you before we started listen she had good marketing

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Speaker 1: because she literally is everywhere, influencing everybody for a pretty

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Speaker 1: wide period of time. It's strange but also hilarious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I marvel I said it while we were recording Taurus.

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Speaker 1: Garcia was the busiest bee in the hive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was always hustling, Like yeah, I don't mean that

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Speaker 1: in a pejorati of sense, but he was always like teaching,

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Speaker 1: forming new schools of art, forming new publications of art,

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Speaker 1: writing his own books about our theory, painting things, finding

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Speaker 1: new forms of art that he could do. But what

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Speaker 1: I really marveled at was how much he and many

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Speaker 1: of the artists in his circle really love to form

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Speaker 1: societies and orgs. We're just like, I know, let's form

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Speaker 1: another society. And I found myself sitting there imagining, like

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Speaker 1: were they just sitting around at like a cafe and

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Speaker 1: they were like, you know what, we need one more society.

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Speaker 1: But it makes me chuckle a little bit. And again

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Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a negative way. I just

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of groups. It's also really interesting that

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Speaker 1: like some of those, even as he was very much

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Speaker 1: rejecting some of the European schools of thought, a lot

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Speaker 1: of those societies were forming in very Eurocentric places where

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Speaker 1: a lot of the other artists were like, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to mimic the Green Masters.

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Speaker 2: Just interesting.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mention it in the episode because I have

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Speaker 1: issues with Picasso, uh huh, as many people do, for

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Speaker 1: the reasons that he was not a great human being.

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Speaker 1: But there was a funny story that came up several

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Speaker 1: times while I was researching where when he was in Paris,

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Speaker 1: when Torres Garcia was in Paris, where Picasso also was

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Speaker 1: at the time in the nineteeneens, and he started talking

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Speaker 1: about I might go to New York. Picasso was like,

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Speaker 1: New York is a void, don't do it. It's just

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Speaker 1: tickled me a little bit. Here's my other big thing

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Speaker 1: from this episode. Max Ernst. He came up a million times. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Max Ernst has been on my list for a very

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Speaker 1: long time. I have a Max Ernst inspired tattoo. He

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Speaker 1: is the artist whose work made me want to get

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Speaker 1: tattoos in the first place. I love his work and

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Speaker 1: Samande Bonte is one of my favorite things. I keep

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Speaker 1: putting it aside for reason since I don't entirely know,

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Speaker 1: possibly because I don't want to find out something horrible

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Speaker 1: about him. Sure, but as I was working on this

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Speaker 1: and he kept coming up in exhibitions with Torres Garcia,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I see you, Max Ernst, I'm coming

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Speaker 1: some It's almost like he's haunting me. Just fine, Max Ernst,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. At some point in the future,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock it out just so I will stop.

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Speaker 2: Being, you know, inundated with it. Right.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, I think it's interesting that we don't get a

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Speaker 1: So if we're ever there, guess where I'm going. We

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Speaker 1: happy holidays everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think might have been

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Speaker 1: energy had first been developed. There had been other accidents

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Speaker 1: we have talked about that, we talked about them in

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Speaker 1: nuclear reactor failing in some way, And there have been

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Speaker 1: other obviously nuclear reactor accidents since then, but this was

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Speaker 1: people into a false sense of security slash complacency. But still,

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Speaker 1: what do we do with radioactive bodies in the event

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Speaker 1: one of those things where I find myself wondering, like,

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I found alluded to in

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Speaker 1: As I was trying to confirm whether people said DO

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Speaker 1: And I got very frustrated with that one in particular,

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Speaker 1: Applying today's thing that people say about knowledge workers of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally true. Premature use can end in premature failure. So, Adrian,

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Speaker 1: And so the name of the book was Idaho Falls,

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Speaker 1: The Untold Story of America's new first nuclear accident, and

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