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Speaker 3: And thanks for being with us from Indianapolis and the

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Speaker 3: Indiana Convention Center with wes ule Ram rap King. And

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Speaker 3: we're going through an exercise here that I think is

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Speaker 3: important to do around draft time because you know, you

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Speaker 3: get here and you start, you know, like metaphorically running

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Speaker 3: around your hand. Oh, I want to draft the safe

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Speaker 3: from Flito when I want to draft the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: here and we should trade up and get Sunny Styles

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Speaker 3: and we got to get this. We should get Caleb

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Speaker 3: Downs and okay, okay, slow down, settle down, back up.

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Speaker 2: What do we have? What do we need? Yes? And

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Speaker 2: that's our exercise. You're a measured, sobered approach.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are looking for a couple of rugs to

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Speaker 4: tie the rooms together.

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Speaker 3: Well put, So we have decided that we are spending

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Speaker 3: some of our money in free agency at the wide

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Speaker 3: receiver position. We started with forty five million dollars in

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Speaker 3: cap space. I've used it all up by signing, resigning

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, resigning Kenneth Gaine well and signing a receiver.

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Speaker 3: And I'm probably a little over the cap as I

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Speaker 3: bring Romeo Dobbs into my room or Wandale Robinson.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm worried about our secondary.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Naylor is another guy that I think would be

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Speaker 3: a possibility to the Angelicchio tie from Minnesota. And is

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Speaker 3: there some more upside there as a guy who is,

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Speaker 3: you know, getting limited targets because of all the guys.

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Speaker 3: They have a lot of mouths to feed up there

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, you know. And again we bring up the

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Speaker 3: cap number because this all has to fit if you

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Speaker 3: bring Aaron Rodgers back, and even if he comes back

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Speaker 3: for a bargain quote unquote bargain payment price.

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Speaker 4: Of fifteen twenty fifteen twenty, Yeah, what I think last

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Speaker 4: year like thirteen and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 3: It he comes back for fifteen and you have gain, Well,

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Speaker 3: you know that that cap space is dwindling. Now I

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Speaker 3: sign a wide receiver and my cap space is pretty

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Speaker 3: much gone, So I have to create cap space as

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Speaker 3: I go along, exactly right. Maybe a little bit maybe

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Speaker 3: a little bit here, depending on how you signed.

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Speaker 4: Like even if it's just John Husmith and Malik Harrison,

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Speaker 4: that gets you over ten million in cap reliefs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's about thirteen million in cap relief

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Speaker 3: something like that, And I think that's likely.

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Speaker 4: You do that, then all of a sudden, you got

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Speaker 4: some space to add a piece or two in the secondary,

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Speaker 4: which you think they certainly need to do.

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Speaker 3: Yep, So we both believe that that the Steelers. Again,

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Speaker 3: the analogy I've made it this year's defensive line, in

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Speaker 3: which the Steelers are gonna go out and add three players.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna get one in free agency, and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: get two in the draft. That's the way I think

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Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. And that's a good way for it

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Speaker 3: gonna happen, because you got thirteen draft picks, you know,

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Speaker 3: so let's go out and get twelve twelve. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Let's get twelve draft picks. Let's go out and get

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Speaker 3: that guy. And you know, the more I think about

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Speaker 3: spending a first round pick on a guy and again

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Speaker 3: trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, DK Metcalf has

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Speaker 3: four years left. If you were to take that receiver

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Speaker 3: in the first round and he became your guy, you'd

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Speaker 3: have a wonderful tandem for four years, but you'd also

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Speaker 3: have that other guy one more year. DK leaves now

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Speaker 3: he can become the guy whose contract do you extend

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Speaker 3: as opposed to spending That's the other thing too. People

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Speaker 3: talk about, you know, you talk about you know, quote

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Speaker 3: unquote resource allocation, right, so how much money and especially

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Speaker 3: with Arthur Smith at the controls as a as an

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Speaker 3: and utilize a lot extra offensive lineman. Yes, you want

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Speaker 3: and you need that other receiver, but how much money

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Speaker 3: are you going to spend on wide receivers if you

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Speaker 3: were a run first offense, right, you want lineman and

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Speaker 3: always part of the conversation as well.

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Speaker 2: So we've left it. You're signing a free agent. We

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Speaker 2: don't know who, but you're signing a free agent at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or I mean I'd also be interested in again

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Speaker 4: if like a Michael Pittman type trade arises, so it

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Speaker 2: That should be one of those third round pictures.

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Speaker 4: I would if it was the right wide receiver, I

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Speaker 4: would give up one of those three third rounds.

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Speaker 2: Ok xs. I agree with you. I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Tight End Pat Fryarmouth eleven point two for the next

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Speaker 3: three years, John new Smith at ten point eight a

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Speaker 3: seven million dollar a cap savings if you were to

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Speaker 3: let him go, and then Darnell Washington at four million

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Speaker 3: entering the final year of his contract, is he do

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Speaker 3: for a contract extension?

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Speaker 2: I think it's easy to say.

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Speaker 3: John new Smith, who have a was shaking hands like

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Speaker 3: he figured it was his last game with this year

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Speaker 3: theres I read that report somewhere, didn't see it personally.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be the way. It's not a you know,

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Speaker 3: they'll probably and again they're supposed to be some pretty

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Speaker 3: good tight ends. Maybe you draft a tight end in

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Speaker 3: the fifth round this year, something along those sides. I

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Speaker 3: think that's the way that's going to go. I see

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Speaker 3: more subtraction than I see addition at the tight end position.

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Speaker 2: Good way to put it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think John new Smith feels like a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a foregone conclusion. No, remember how it was

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Speaker 4: with Cordero Patterson last year where it took I think

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Speaker 4: longer than all of us thought, but eventually they did

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Speaker 4: release him. Who knows what the timeline will be like

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Speaker 4: for John Hu, but that feels like a foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 4: He was such an Arthur Smith guy. And we know

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Speaker 4: that the emphasis on the tight end position twelve to

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Speaker 4: thirteen personnel with the previous administration is not the way

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Speaker 4: that the current administration likes to deploy their offense. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think if it's Pat Fryarmouth and Denzel Washington, you

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Speaker 4: really like the thunder and lightning, the peanut butter and jelly,

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Speaker 4: the left shoe right shoe combination tandem skill sets that

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Speaker 4: those two have. Whether it's Connor Hayward, whether you as

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Speaker 3: If I had any cap space left over, I'm using

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Speaker 2: And that is offensive line for the students, in particular.

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Speaker 3: Left guard, and whether that is bringing back Isaac Ciamalo

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe a younger guy to a longer term deal.

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Speaker 3: This is what I think the students will do. I

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Speaker 3: think they will. I think they're going to solve left

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Speaker 3: and it might even be solid before that by bringing Backmalo.

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Speaker 3: Here's what the offensive line position looks like. And I

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Speaker 3: think you could you could think about this group and

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Speaker 3: think we're not actually gonna do much. In fact, we're

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Speaker 3: not going to spend those resources on a guard. We

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Speaker 3: Let's go out and spend a third round. I think

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Speaker 3: they're gonna spend a third round pick on an interior

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman anyway, or something in that range. So let's

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Speaker 3: bring a guy in that can swing, that can learn,

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Speaker 3: that can potentially push if he shows us a lot

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Speaker 3: in camp. But we don't need that position. We don't

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Speaker 3: need to spend resources at that position. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's what they'll do. I don't know. It's a new

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Speaker 3: coaching staff obviously. You know, the students have made no

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Speaker 3: want to build through the trenches. I think Spencer Anderson

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Speaker 3: has shown he's got some versatility. He can help you

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Speaker 3: at a number of positions. I you know, he can

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Speaker 3: be that sixth offensive lineman, which, as Max points out

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Speaker 3: Max starts, is not as easy as it sounds. And

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Speaker 3: then left tackle you'd have Broderick Jones and Dylan Cook.

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Speaker 3: Do you need a let tackle? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: If you have those two guys, especially if Broderick is healthy,

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Speaker 3: maybe you let those two guys compete.

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Speaker 2: Then it's a center position. Zack Fraser, you're set there. Uh.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, Uh, Broderick Jones is obviously coming

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Speaker 2: I I don't see him being extended.

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Speaker 3: Dylan Cook making a million, Spencer Anderson making a million,

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Speaker 3: Mason McCormick making a little over a million, he's got

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Speaker 3: two years left, Zach Fraser two million, he's got two

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Speaker 3: got two years left. So young, relatively inexpensive group of

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen. What do you think they will do at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it is funny, how you know, from Zach

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Speaker 4: and should be, could be for a long time, but

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Speaker 4: do side is your next left Is it say Amalu

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Speaker 4: for another year or two? Is it a different veteran

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Speaker 4: for another year or two? Is it Spencer Anderson?

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Speaker 2: Is it you know?

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Speaker 4: Is it someone who's who's in the draft here? However

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Speaker 4: that that might get decided. That to me is very

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Speaker 4: important and all of the different things that we've discussed

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Speaker 4: at the forefront for this offseason wide receivers a ton,

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks for a ton, new coaching staff for a ton. Right,

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Speaker 4: what they do with that left side of the offensive

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Speaker 4: line and particularly left tackle is massive for this organization.

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Speaker 2: You know why because once again.

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Speaker 4: Next year, it's the joke we've been making all week.

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Speaker 4: It's like free beer tomorrow, right, Next year is the

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Speaker 4: great quarterback year. Next year is the great quarterback year.

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Speaker 4: Next year is the great quarterback year. Seems like we've

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Speaker 4: been saying that for a while too, but I really

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Speaker 4: do think that it's going to be the case for

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Kinger.

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Speaker 4: If we're sitting here in late February of next year

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Speaker 4: at the inside the beautiful Indiana Convention Center for our

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven NFL Combine coverage and the Steelers need

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Speaker 4: a future franchise quarterback and a left tackle, that's going

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Speaker 4: to be a problem. I totally agree because those are

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Speaker 4: both luxury items. Those are both You go shop at

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Speaker 4: Mercedes Benz and Porsche and BMW. You don't go to

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Speaker 4: Bob's used car shop to try and find your left

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Speaker 4: to be in a position where you need both.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I Here's what I think.

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Speaker 3: Is is what I think I would do, And I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Again, we don't know how these players are evaluated.

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Speaker 3: A wild card at the wide receiver position for me

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Speaker 3: I think that the caveat and the position you want

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Speaker 4: all right, everybody knows it's kind of fake. You could

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Speaker 3: We're gonna play with it because I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: This is live Cobbleach of that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 3: We are delighted to be joined as we welcome you

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Speaker 3: back to Indianapolis by Brian McFadden, former steerer CBS Network

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Speaker 2: Brian, Thanks very much. Has your experience been thus far

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Speaker 2: at the Combine? Man, It's been great?

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Speaker 5: You know, quick disclosure about disclaimer about me and the Combine.

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Speaker 5: This is my first time being here since I was

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Speaker 3: What was it like for you? What is a combine

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Speaker 2: Ah, A lot.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot to process, first and foremost, you're overly

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Speaker 2: Monday, you know what I mean. You're a little tired, yes, you.

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Speaker 4: finish your career at Florida State, probably played in a

439
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 4: bowl game or something I would imagine, and then did

440
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 4: you play in a Senior Bowl?

441
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: Yep?

442
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: Then the combine pro days, you get drafted, you're in

443
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 4: a new city, rookie mini camp, mini camp, training camp.

444
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: It never stops, and you go all the way and

445
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 4: you win a Super Bowl. Did you hit that proverbial

446
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 4: wall at any point.

447
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 2: That's saying I did.

448
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 5: And to your point, I had a long season, played

449
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 5: in the bowl game for Florida State with Florida State,

450
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 5: and then instantly you got I got a few days off,

451
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 5: and I started to get in my pre draft process,

452
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 5: you know, trying to get my body as healthy as

453
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 5: possible to be able to go to Mobile, to be

454
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 5: able to perform. And then you do Mobile, which is

455
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 5: kind of a small mini combine because of the meetings

456
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 5: and the interview process that you embark in on along

457
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 5: with practicing and getting ready for the game. And you

458
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 5: did that, and then you got to go right back

459
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 5: to maybe relaxing for a few days because your body

460
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 5: is a little banged up for Mobile, to get right

461
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 5: back into the pre draft training and then the draft,

462
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 5: and then once the draft hits, you often running OTA's

463
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 5: mini camps and then from there it happens overnight where

464
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: you're in training camp. So yeah, it was a long

465
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: season for me, but I enjoyed every minute of it.

466
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 5: And I can tell you this much. When I got

467
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 5: drafted to Pittsburgh and that process for us to do

468
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 5: what we were able to do, get to the Super Bowl,

469
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 5: win the super Bowl. I literally thought that was the

470
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 5: thing every year. I'm like, Okay, this is what we

471
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 5: do every year, because I had no.

472
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Idea did in Florida state?

473
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. And also too because it happened my rookie year.

474
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 5: I didn't know how hard it was for you to

475
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: get into the playoffs. I didn't know how hard it

476
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 5: was for you to be good enough to play in

477
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 5: their Super Bowl. That was my only experience and that's

478
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 5: all I knew. So next year, the following year, in

479
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: two thousand and six, I'm like, well, we'll do it again,

480
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 5: do it all over again. So I started having conversations

481
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: with other guys that play for other teams, older guys,

482
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 5: and they were telling me, man, you need to be

483
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: thankful because you have guys that play fifteen, sixteen plus

484
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: years or whatever the case may be, never sniff a

485
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 5: super Bowl. But you were able to do so in

486
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 5: your rookie year. So that's the reality.

487
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: So I'd like to ask you about this process for

488
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: you and then winding up being drafted by this jitus

489
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: because you know, people don't I don't think a lot

490
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: of fans don't stop to realize that these players as

491
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: a player here It's not like people showing up me

492
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: like who's this. Brian McFadden gout. You know they've been

493
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: scouting you since you're really since your freshman year, right,

494
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: they've had they've had.

495
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: Now.

496
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: Max tells the story that Bill Cower came to his

497
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: way in on his pro day. That was the only

498
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: time he saw him. He looked up, Bill Cower was

499
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: gone and he was shocked when he got drafted by

500
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: the Steelers. What was your interaction like with the Steelers

501
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: And did you know they were you were on their radar?

502
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: We were running in the same scouts that kind of thing.

503
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 5: My interaction with the Steelers, I didn't have any interaction

504
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 5: that I recall during the Super Senior bow right, but

505
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 5: I was hearing my name was being brought up in

506
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 5: the building from my former Florida State team mate and

507
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: Chris Hope, who was a part of the Steelers at

508
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 5: the time, and I guess they were asking him questions

509
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: about me because they knew we played together. But then

510
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: when I came to Indy, I had a formal interview

511
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 5: with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I remember like it was yesterday.

512
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: I walked into the hotel room and the first person

513
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 5: I saw and I recognized was me and Joe Green like,

514
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 5: oh freak, this is Joe Green. Wow, And I'm like,

515
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 5: why is he? Yeah? You know, you know what I mean.

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 5: And I didn't know his his status with the team

517
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 5: at the time. And then of course Bill Cower, Kevin

518
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 5: Kober and it was just it was so many people

519
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 5: in the room, like he was like wow.

520
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: And then after that it was like nothing from Pittsburgh.

521
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: I didn't have a phone call, I didn't have a

522
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: visit to Pittsburgh, I didn't have nothing. So everything kind

523
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 5: of went silent. So I kind of felt like I

524
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 5: might not be on the radar. But oddly enough, the

525
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: team that you rarely hear from is the team that

526
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 5: usually drafts you. If you listen to so many guys

527
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: like you said, with Max starts, you saw Kyward at

528
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 5: way in and he left. You don't even know if

529
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: he actually watched Max performance. But guess what, Pittsburgh drafts him.

530
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 5: So I don't know if that was like a Pittsburgh thing.

531
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: It so you were not really interested, but we are, right, yeah, interesting.

532
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: I think we'd be remiss.

533
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: We of course, you were pretty fortunate one two super

534
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: bowls with the Steelers, one with Bill Cower, one with

535
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin. Just your thoughts, nineteen years, end of an

536
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: era for coach T I didn't think i'd ever see

537
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: the day. I just thought Mike Tomlin would be the

538
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: head coach of the Steelers for the rest of my life.

539
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: Everything eventually comes to an end, right, But nineteen years

540
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 4: and I just feel like everybody who played for Mike

541
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 4: Tomlin has such a level of respect for him, obviously

542
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: as a football coach, but as a man and a

543
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: human being.

544
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, to your point, it felt like he would continue.

545
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 5: It felt like for sure at least get a twentieth season.

546
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 5: I mean, it's surprised everyone when that news broke, it

547
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: was like, wow, what are you serious? And that was

548
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: the first start for most of us, Like what I.

549
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: Had to check the accounts on Twitter like seven times

550
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: to make sure they weren't fake parody. Yes, like these

551
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: are the real people reporting?

552
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

553
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 5: And now, granted the season didn't end like we all

554
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 5: wanted it to end, but it was still a successful season.

555
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 5: You want a division playoff game, whatever the case may be.

556
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 5: But yes, it's a real moment. And I asked Omar,

557
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: this was the first question I asked him when I

558
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 5: talked with him on Tuesday, How weird is it for

559
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 5: you to be here without Mike Tomlin?

560
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

561
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: It's like it's different nineteen years of doing the same thing,

562
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 5: you know, building that were poor and coming to these

563
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 5: type of events with him, you know, being involved to

564
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: some degree, you know what I mean. So it's different.

565
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 5: It's gonna take some time to get used to it.

566
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 5: I think every day you're kind of getting closer to

567
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: understanding this is the new norm. But to your point, yeah,

568
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: it was like, Okay, nah, not yet. He's not walking

569
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: away yet. But he had to do what was best

570
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 5: for him, and he checked off the boxes, won a championship,

571
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, live up to the building for a story franchise,

572
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: you know, and created a Hall of Fame coaching career

573
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 5: for him in Pittsburgh.

574
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: You know, there are trends that happened in the NFL.

575
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: You know, everybody wants the big box safety now that

576
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: can move around, Kyle Hamilton, even Warriors, all that stuff.

577
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: But one of the things that Mike Tomlins said a

578
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and I thought it was really interesting.

579
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 3: So he said that more than at any time in

580
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: the NFL, cornerbacks coming out of college are more ready.

581
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: And his explanation for that was that kids are and

582
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: that was always a position draft the corner. Hey, we'll

583
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: see you start in a couple of years. It's going

584
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: to be it just takes. It's way too involved. But

585
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: he said, all these kids now doing seven on seven

586
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: drills all summer long. And then you couple that with

587
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: all the spread offenses and quarterbacks throwing the ball fifty

588
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: times a game in college, so as a corner you're

589
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: getting fifty coverage reps a game. Do you think that's

590
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: the case that it's easier, a little easier for corners

591
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: to come out now and make more of an immediate impact.

592
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that is easier, but I think they're

593
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: more ecuoped to handle that type of work load because

594
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: of the passing strategies that they face in college football.

595
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: You know, up tempo, you're seeing more passes than runs,

596
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: so you know you have to be able to cover,

597
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 5: and through repetition, you get more comfortable, you feel more

598
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: better in your skill set. Now, the cons to that

599
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 5: is most cornerbacks come into the National Football League, you know,

600
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 5: not consistent in tackling exactly.

601
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: You.

602
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

603
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: So the pro is they kind of they're ready for

604
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: the volume of passes, the volume of reps they're seeing

605
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: from these wide receivers, the intensity in which it happens

606
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 5: for four quarters.

607
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: But then the.

608
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: Con is, you don't really tackle a lot because a

609
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 5: lot of these kids are not tackling a lot in practice.

610
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: So now when you get to the National Football League

611
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: and you might play against the offense that can adjust

612
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 5: to whatever you do well or not well. Now they

613
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: make corners tackle, and what happens when you don't, You know,

614
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: you lose ball games. When you look at offenses now,

615
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 5: offenses like San Francisco, you know the rams with Sean McVeigh,

616
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: when that wide receiver come down to crack that end

617
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 5: man or either that safety, and now they force the

618
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 5: corner to be in space to make that tackle one

619
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 5: on one with whoever the running back is.

620
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: If you can't do it, you're gonna see the same

621
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: thing over and over and over and over.

622
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: Or if you know an offense, say you know what,

623
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 5: this guy's this guy, this guy is not even a

624
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 5: willing participant in the run game. He just does really

625
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 5: want to tackle so guess what we're gonna do. A

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 5: quick stop route, get out to a wide receiver. Wide receiver,

627
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 5: he really don't want to tackle. You give him, make

628
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 5: them give him a move, get some yet.

629
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

630
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 5: So those are those are the good and the bad

631
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 5: with this new regiment in college football at the seven

632
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: h seven landscape. It is good, you know, because of

633
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: the repetition in terms of passes, but you kind of

634
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: forget about the main element tackling.

635
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: You know.

636
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: I just I wanted to follow up on that because

637
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: Tunch Jokin used to talk about lading games for Jerome

638
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: Bettis where he said, the guy's taking a convenient angle

639
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: to miss.

640
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, coach, I just did. They didn't want to

641
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: hit him after a while.

642
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: You know, as you look around the NFL now and

643
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: you obviously you were a willing tackler, but it's tough

644
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: if you're giving up pounds, you know, if you're giving

645
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: up thirty five pounds and you got to make fifteen tackles,

646
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: after a while, that wears on you. Are there guys

647
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: out there, whether it's Kenneth Walker or or Derrick Henry

648
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: or or somebody else, or maybe it's a maybe he

649
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: was a quicker guy, a guy you wouldn't wouldn't necessarily

650
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: relish to tackle man fifteen times.

651
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: Again, well, hopefully as a corner, you shouldn't be getting

652
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 5: making fifteen right the d line and the linebacker should

653
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: definitely feel some type of way that's the case. But

654
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 5: for me, I go back to when I played Fred Taylor.

655
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 5: That was some person that you like, oh, I don't

656
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: want to be the first one running up on him,

657
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 5: because he had power to run you over, He had

658
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 5: moves to make you miss, he had the speed to

659
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 5: run around you, and you didn't know exactly which one

660
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: you were going to get based on his attitude. So

661
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: for us, it was like okay, but we knew what

662
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 5: we had to do. And the thing about our defense

663
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 5: when I was there, it was weird because when I

664
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: got drafted to Pittsburgh, one of the first questions that

665
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: was asked of me was will he tackle? It wasn't

666
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: about will he cover? That's that's what they wanted to know, Bro,

667
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: Will you tackle? Will you thud?

668
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Like? What about cover? Play football to get that.

669
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 5: We know about covering, But for us here is about tackling.

670
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: Because when you're a great tackling defense, you will win

671
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: ball games. Prime example, Seattle, the praise we gave their defense,

672
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: we talked about how violent there was, but they rarely

673
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: miss tackles.

674
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: Look at the secondary.

675
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: Talk about guys that played like they were mad, like

676
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: every day they just had something that pissed them off.

677
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: They flew around.

678
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 5: When you watched Seattle play, it felt like they had

679
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: fifteen guys on the field instead of eleven. They swarm

680
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: the DB's played like big guys. Devon Witherspoon, to your point,

681
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 5: might be one eighty eight, but he would run into you.

682
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how big you are.

683
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 5: It's a mentality to facts.

684
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: You saw them in person.

685
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: Wildcard game like, so that's the thing when you tackle

686
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 5: and you play with that type of violence. As as fans,

687
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 5: when your team play against them, you're like, oh shoot,

688
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: you better protect yourself. So think about what the offensive

689
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: field when they played against Houston, when they played against Seattle. Yeah,

690
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: because think about what you thought of when we knew

691
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: the playoff seeing who we were playing Houston, first.

692
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: Thing you said was their defense. Yeah that's right. Can

693
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: we win this game three to two?

694
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? Can we?

695
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 5: Because we knew their defense is gonna be stout and

696
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: they're gonna hit you in them out mouth.

697
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: And that's how we played.

698
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: We want to impose our will on you physically for

699
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 5: four quarters. We wanted to beat you up, kick you whatever,

700
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: like you cannot play football soft, especially the defensive side.

701
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: And I know I might be smaller than you, but

702
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: it's my job to run into you anyway for four

703
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: quarters because when I do that, I know the cavalry

704
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: is coming. That's how you earn respect. Like, yo, man,

705
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: I got a little man just running in this big man.

706
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: We know you're not supposed to win that battle, but

707
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: just the willingness to do it that sets them morale

708
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 5: for the entire team. So for Seattle story Year, but

709
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: their defense is what embody, their physical violent nature that

710
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: we saw. And then it transitioned to the side with

711
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker running through people, freaking us.

712
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: He's a hard runner. That guy's a hard runner. Man,

713
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: He runs hard.

714
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: But tell me this what heard running back running this

715
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: against opposing defenses.

716
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: That's that's a part of us off defense, right, that's right.

717
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: And by the way, you're thing with Marshaun Lynch with

718
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: the Legion of the Boom.

719
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you're a tough running back nine thousand

720
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 5: and ten.

721
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: You've got a tough defense, right And by the way,

722
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Speaker 3: I think I like the way you flip that too,

723
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: because you know, you always talk. A lot of us

724
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: talk in terms of who do you not want to tackle? Well,

725
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: who do you not want to run against? Because as

726
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: a running back you're feeling fifteen eighteen hits too. You

727
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: might be out there doing a little more dancing than

728
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: normal as opposed to lowering your head as.

729
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 5: Well about it, you think about it, Think about the

730
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: wide receivers when you're watching tape and you see these

731
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 5: guys trying to take your head off. Now you're gonna

732
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 5: be a bit hesitant when you run across the.

733
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Speaker 2: Middle, absolutely right, you know you know what I mean.

734
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 5: So it plays in every area man, and and football

735
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: is a violet sport. I understand the safety precautionous and

736
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 5: things like that, but football is a violent sport. That's

737
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 5: why we love it because we love seeing people colliding

738
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: to each other. But when you do it because you're

739
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 5: forced to do it, you won't get the same impact

740
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 5: when you do it because you want to do.

741
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: It right, good point.

742
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 4: Last thing, this has been a lot of fun. But

743
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: last thing we got to ask you about Joey Porter Junior.

744
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he, particularly the back half of the season,

745
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: really felt like it was all starting to come together

746
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: for him. Man, I think he's primed to be one

747
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 4: of the best cornerback national football.

748
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 5: It's trying to get paid like one. Let's keep it real.

749
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: I saw a stat that had Joey Porter Junior and

750
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: Christian Gonzalez next next to each other, and Gonzo is

751
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 5: a hell of a cornerback all of us would agree.

752
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: Have a great season. Great in the Super Bowl, even

753
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 5: though they lost, he played well.

754
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: He was one of the best players on the You realized.

755
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 5: Joey Porter had better numbers than Gonzo in terms of coverage, percentage, yards,

756
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 5: giving up the whole nine. But he doesn't get talked

757
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: about like Gunzo for whatever reason. I don't know.

758
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: And he's got the penalties out of it, lack of interceptions.

759
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 5: I think he had more than Gonzo, and stat check

760
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 5: me on this. I think he had more than Gonzo.

761
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: I think he touched more passes, more footballs than Gonzo

762
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: did in twenty twenty five. Because that's the first thing

763
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 5: most people say, Well, he didn't turn the ball over,

764
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 5: he didn't touch the enough footballs Loo. I'm waiting on

765
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: I'm waiting on his stat too, by the way, because

766
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 5: I think he had more interceptions. He definitely had more

767
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 5: PBUs if you were to combine both stats.

768
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

769
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: Well, we were having a discussion just breaking down this

770
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 3: year this roster. Okay, Joey Porter's your one. You're you're

771
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: you know where are you happy with your roster? Joey

772
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: Porter's my top corner. I'm happy with that. I'll figure

773
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: out two and three and all that. I'm happy with

774
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: him as my one, which is one of the hardest

775
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: things to get in football.

776
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 3: Off, you know quarterback, we know left tackle, but boy,

778
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: can you get that you know, the edge rusher?

779
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: Can you have that number one corner? So valuable?

780
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's shown the ability to be that number

781
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: one guy. And when you're in a division where you've

782
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 5: seen Jamar Chase and t Higgins twice, you better make

783
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 5: sure you got somebody who can cover.

784
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right there.

785
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 5: With their extensions, they're not going anywhere anytime, z own.

786
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: So I really hope he gets paid. And you know,

787
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 5: great point about cleaning up his style of play because

788
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: he's he was known to be a bit handsy. He

789
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: got better this season. He was a competitor, he competed man,

790
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 5: and he played a game the right way. And he's

791
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: deserving of seeing that new deal. And if you're Pittsburg,

792
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: he is your CB.

793
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: One.

794
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: Can I ask you one more question? Yeah, I want

795
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to ask you about a rule. So it's a rule

796
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: that I'm not in favor of. It is the defensives

797
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: receiver rule for defensive backs. I'm all in favor of

798
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: not targeting the head. Right, So I understand all those rules.

799
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: Let's try to keep players as safe as possible. Right,

800
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: But when we oh, what did he got? Has he

801
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: got the numbers right there? We got the numbers right here?

802
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: One more interception for PZ Junior. Okay, four more PBUs,

803
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: one more act and then as you mentioned, all the

804
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: coverage numbers of later less todowns allowed.

805
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I'm telling you, yeah, he's right, ye, yeah,

806
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 5: But Joey's not getting the same thing talking.

807
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: About he'll start to better, Yeah, he'll start to So

808
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: all for player safety, all for not targeting the head.

809
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: I think that the defensives player thing you talk about

810
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: the toughness of the game. Does that reduce a little

811
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: bit of that toughness of a receiver knows he can

812
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: go over the middle and not get walloped because the

813
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: quarterback put him in a bad position with a throw

814
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: up high. My feeling on it is this, if you

815
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: don't want to have a defensive receiver, then don't throw

816
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: him the ball there. Does it take any of that

817
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: toughness that that you know, like a heinz Ward, the

818
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: part of his value was he was so tough he

819
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: was gonna go over the middle fearlessly and make a

820
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: catch that somebody else might do this on Well, you

821
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: don't have to do this anymore because.

822
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: They can't hit you.

823
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know what great about toughness, But I

824
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 5: think when receivers know they have that great area where

825
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 5: they're protected, you don't have to really be tough to

826
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: go out and extend yourself because you know you're not

827
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: supposed to get hit. So now it kind of makes

828
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: defenders a bit hesitant, you know what I mean, because

829
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: there's a grey area where you don't want to give.

830
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: With that penalty and with that personal file comes they fined,

831
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 5: and those fifteen yards could actually change the momentum, momentum

832
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 5: of a game dramatically. You know, we've seen penin these

833
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: flip games where teams lose because of the penalty and

834
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 5: also do For us, it's a thin line and being

835
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: hesitant or being playing fast to create separation from the

836
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 5: man in the ball. Like when I was at Florida State,

837
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: my defensive coordinat needs to tell us all the time,

838
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: it's your job to separate the man from the ball

839
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 5: right when he's trying to catch it at the point

840
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: of attack. So if I see you come across the middle,

841
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 5: and I know if I hit you, it's as when

842
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 5: does the ball get there, there's a potential chance of

843
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 5: a flag because you were defenseless. But if I wait

844
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 5: and let you catch the ball, I cannot create an incompletion.

845
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, I can't.

846
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 5: That's the first down. You're in extended downs now. But

847
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: if I can hit you simultaneously when you get there,

848
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: I create an incompletion. Now it could be fourth down

849
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 5: you're punting the football. That could be the siding factor

850
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: in US winning and losing the ball game.

851
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all for player safety.

852
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: That's that's one of the violent parts of the game

853
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: that I think you just have to live with this

854
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: part of the game. Yeah, but it's been legislated out

855
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: and they want to keep guys healthy. And I understand.

856
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: That, guys. I understand that as well.

857
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 5: But it's hard for us as defenders because you can't

858
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 5: sit here and try to be hesitant when you six three,

859
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 5: running four threes and running.

860
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: Spy the way game. Now that that's put you in

861
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: a bad position, no question. Now you've got to slow

862
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: down and you might get runof.

863
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: No question.

864
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 5: And that's the thing. So when you do get a

865
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: chance in a fair situation and put that helmet on him,

866
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 5: do it right, play like Seattle, play right.

867
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: You can appreciate it. I just really enjoyed it.

868
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,399
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869
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Speaker 3: And welcome back to Indianapolis. We're finishing things up here

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Speaker 3: with Wes you live before the drive starts with Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to postpone. I think the defensive

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Speaker 3: part of our discussion with Matt Williamson until Matt Williams

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Speaker 3: enjoyed us tomorrow because there's just not enough time left

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Speaker 3: in the segment after Brian McFadden was nice enough to

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Speaker 3: join us.

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Speaker 4: But that's what this is all about, though, That's why

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Speaker 4: we come out here for those those type of interviews.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we've got all off season to talk about roster construction.

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Speaker 2: Do we do? Now? You guys do? Of course I'm

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Speaker 2: not as much. Hey, what's it what's it nice to to?

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Speaker 4: What's it like to you know, have a little little

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Speaker 4: time to breathe although you're getting back in a bushett, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's it's breakwater. You're like a very long to fall.

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Speaker 4: My Connor Griffins scouting reports here.

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Speaker 2: Call of the day.

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Speaker 3: So what we've been doing here is because of the

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Speaker 3: because of the combine. Uh, you know, the combine happens,

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Speaker 3: and then free agency happens and the draft happens, and

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Speaker 3: we're talking about all these players we want to have

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Speaker 3: for the Steelers. But you have to have the roster

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Speaker 3: in place before you know who you're going to select.

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Speaker 3: Of course, who you're going to select might affect or

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Speaker 3: what you think of the draft might affect who you

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Speaker 3: get in free agency, that sort of thing. So we're

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Speaker 3: looking at this Steelers team and just to give you

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Speaker 3: a brief recap of what we've done and what we've accomplished.

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Speaker 3: Here forty five million dollars in cap space, right, seventeen

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Speaker 3: offensive players under contract heading into the off season.

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Speaker 2: And here's what we've done.

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Speaker 3: We've added Aaron Rodgers back at the quarterback position, chewing

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Speaker 3: up some of our gap. I have resigned Kenny Game. Well,

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Speaker 3: you are on the fed.

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Speaker 2: I'm either or I'm happy. If he's back, I'm happy.

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Speaker 4: I'm good if if you've got to find another piece

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Speaker 4: to go with jaalen Ward.

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Speaker 3: I have also signed a wide receiver in free agency.

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Speaker 3: I think that's I think that is almost a giving.

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Speaker 4: You have to add one before the draft, whether it's

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Speaker 4: free agency, whether it's a trade, whatever, you got to

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Speaker 4: add one before the draft.

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Speaker 3: And whether that's a one Dale Robinson who helps you

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Speaker 3: in the slot and pretty much slot only, whether that

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Speaker 3: the Romeo Dobbs, whether that's a Juwan Jennings more outside

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Speaker 3: guys as a candidate too, could always be a trade candidate.

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Speaker 3: We're adding there, Okay, we're almost at a cap space.

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Speaker 3: I'm almost out of cap space. You you're you might

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Speaker 3: have a little more cap space left because of the

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Speaker 3: running back position. But I think it, like you said,

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Speaker 3: you made the you made the comparison Cordero Patterson, John

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Speaker 3: new Smith, and it seems like John new Smith seven

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Speaker 3: million dollar caps savings if he is let go, that

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Speaker 3: feels like it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be right.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking that money and whatever leftover money I have,

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Speaker 3: blowing all my money that for the for the for

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Speaker 3: cap purposes, which is good because I've been thinking about,

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Speaker 3: you gotta get a safety, you gotta do this, you

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Speaker 3: gotta do that. Now, as I look at the actual

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Speaker 3: way things are going, I'm out of cap space. After

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Speaker 3: I signed my starting left guard and complate taking an

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Speaker 3: offensive tackle in the first two rounds.

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Speaker 2: That's where I stand as our offensive outlook makes a

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Speaker 2: lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: Easier said than done, certainly, but I think that's I

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Speaker 4: think that's about the blueprint that you would hope for

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Speaker 4: over the next two months.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, we're we're now less than two weeks

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Speaker 4: away from free agency and just about two months away

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Speaker 4: from the fifty eight days. I think it is from

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Speaker 4: the first round and.

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Speaker 3: Only four minutes away from the drive, which everyone of

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Speaker 3: course is waiting for with pated breath, with all all

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Speaker 3: kinds of great guests. Greg Cosell gonna join. Yep, he'll

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Speaker 3: be joining soon as Matt Williamson takes over here. So

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Speaker 3: for wes Uther Matt Williamson coming up with the drive,

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Speaker 3: I'm rob king.

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Speaker 2: We thank you for.

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Speaker 3: Joining us from Indianapolis on Suthy's Ninsen Radio. A part

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Speaker 3: of this year, there's audio network