WEBVTT - Redpath Murders

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Hey, we're doing some

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian history. But it's also Halloween. Uh so that means

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<v Speaker 1>this one is a little bit on the darker side.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is a murder mystery sort of. We know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened and who was involved, but the details of

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<v Speaker 1>what led to everything happening the way it did are

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<v Speaker 1>a little fuzzy, and there are a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that have been it seems like, systematically erased from the

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<v Speaker 1>historical record, So this one remains a mystery. Heads up,

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<v Speaker 1>we do want to let you know this episode involves

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of discussion of a domestic violence incident that

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<v Speaker 1>involves guns. It also involves speculation in the press about

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<v Speaker 1>the mental health of those involved. But this is about

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<v Speaker 1>what's often called the Redpath murders. On June thirteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh one, Ada Maria Redpath, who is fifty nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>her son Jocelyn Clifford, aged twenty six, were found shot

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<v Speaker 1>to death in their home, which was known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Redpath Mansion. We're going to talk about that in the

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, but more than one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years later, what exactly happened to lead to those deaths

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<v Speaker 1>remains unknown. We know how they died, but why is

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<v Speaker 1>probably something we're never going to understand. So we want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell their story. But first we're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about Ada's life and the lives of two

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<v Speaker 1>of her children who are closest to this strange tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Ada Maria Mills was born in April twenty sixth, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two into a well off family. Her father, John

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<v Speaker 1>Easton Mills, was a well known and successful businessman. He

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<v Speaker 1>died when Ada was still a small child. He was,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, the mayor of Montreal when he died, held

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<v Speaker 1>that post for I think less than a year at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but that's kind of illustrative of how how

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<v Speaker 1>well known and how prominent he was. Aida married John

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<v Speaker 1>James Redpath in Putney, England, when she was twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she was from a well law family, Aida and

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<v Speaker 1>John had a marriage contract that reads kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a modern prenup. It stated that she would retain total

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<v Speaker 1>control of her own wealth and assets. It's often referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as wording, being as though she had never married,

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<v Speaker 1>so like literally completely siloed off away from her husband's money.

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<v Speaker 1>She would later insist that her daughter would have the

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<v Speaker 1>same financial autonomy should she ever choose to marry John.

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<v Speaker 1>James Redpath was himself from a wealthy family. His father,

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<v Speaker 1>John Redpath's senior, had moved to Canada from Scotland in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteenth century and made a fortune in construction,

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<v Speaker 1>and he used that fortune to purchase more than two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred acres of land on Mount Royal, just northwest of Montreal.

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<v Speaker 1>He subdivided this land and resold a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and his other wealthy families purchased the land and built

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<v Speaker 1>on it. This established a really wealthy neighborhood that came

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<v Speaker 1>to be known as the Square Mile. Over the next

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years, the community of the Square Mile neighborhood became

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<v Speaker 1>more and more intertwined. A lot of families became linked

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<v Speaker 1>through various marriages amongst themselves. Yeah, and all of those

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<v Speaker 1>families also kind of made a lot of business deals

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<v Speaker 1>with each other, so their wealth kind of kept folding

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<v Speaker 1>in on itself, and they, like I said, it became

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<v Speaker 1>this little enclave. When John and Ada married, John was

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<v Speaker 1>working in the Red Path Family sugar refinery. He had

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<v Speaker 1>been a partner in the firm at that point for

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<v Speaker 1>several years, but he didn't stay in that industry for

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<v Speaker 1>a very long time after the marriage, though, and he

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<v Speaker 1>actually left it to join the Victoria Rifles. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>volunteer military regiment based in Montreal that had formed in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty two. And that seems like sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>good indication that John really did not have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about income. Ada and John had five children over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of eight years, starting in eighteen sixty eight. They

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<v Speaker 1>were Amy, Peter, John, Reginald Harold, and Jocelyn Clifford, who

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<v Speaker 1>went by Clifford. Aida had been the one to purchase

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<v Speaker 1>the family home at ten sixty five Sherbrook Street West

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<v Speaker 1>in the Square Mile. She did that with her family

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<v Speaker 1>money in eighteen seventy. We'll talk about that house a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more on Friday. Yeah, there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>confusion about which house was the house that I ran

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<v Speaker 1>into doing research looking for a picture to put on

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<v Speaker 1>our social media for this, I sureted to look at

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of incredibly similar looking houses from right on

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<v Speaker 1>that same street. Yeah, this is also a problem where

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<v Speaker 1>there's more than one house called the Red Path Mansion

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<v Speaker 1>in this area. So at some point in her life,

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<v Speaker 1>though Ada began having a variety of health problems. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit tricky because the specific nature of

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<v Speaker 1>those issues is hard to pin down. She was treated

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of different things, both physical and psychological,

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<v Speaker 1>including trigeminal neuralgia, melancholy, and joint pain. Any readings that

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<v Speaker 1>the family wrote about her generally describe her in ways

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of characterize her as just being frail or fragile.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time she was in her forties. It also

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<v Speaker 1>seems like she was away from her home and her

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<v Speaker 1>children a lot for treatments for these various problems. In

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<v Speaker 1>an undated letter that she sent the family from New

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<v Speaker 1>York while she was being fitted for braces for her

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<v Speaker 1>joint problems, she wrote, quote, my dear children, the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>say that it would be much better if I could

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<v Speaker 1>remain until Monday. They want me to get quite accustomed

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<v Speaker 1>to my new brace before I leave, and find out

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<v Speaker 1>all its faults, so that they can send me home

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<v Speaker 1>in good order and comfortable, for they do not want

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<v Speaker 1>me to have to come back here very very soon. See,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no one in Montreal who can alter the

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<v Speaker 1>brace and change it if it should hurt me, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is better that I should stay here until they

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<v Speaker 1>have made it fit well. It has hurt me dreadfully,

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<v Speaker 1>but every day they make some little change, and tonight

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<v Speaker 1>it is more comfortable, although not quite right yet. And

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot walk it all yet without my crutches. It

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<v Speaker 1>stretches my legs so much that it makes it an

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<v Speaker 1>inch longer than the well leg. And doctors say that

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<v Speaker 1>I must let them put a thick three quarter inch

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<v Speaker 1>sole on the boot of my well foot. If they

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<v Speaker 1>do this, poor Harold will think me more of a

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<v Speaker 1>giant than ever. But never mind. If only they will

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<v Speaker 1>let me go home, I will be willing to wear

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<v Speaker 1>anything they please. And bless you, my darlings, will be

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<v Speaker 1>so glad to see your mother that you won't stop

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<v Speaker 1>to find fault with her looks. God, bless you, my

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<v Speaker 1>precious children, your loving mother. After AIDA's husband, John James

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<v Speaker 1>Redpath died on June fourth, eighteen eighty four, Ada relied

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly on her children, particularly her only daughter, who was

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<v Speaker 1>also her oldest child. That was Amy, and her youngest son, Clifford.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy was born on May sixteenth, eighteen sixty eight, the

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<v Speaker 1>year after Ada and John were married. The red Paths

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<v Speaker 1>lived abroad during their early marriage, so Amy was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe and then arrived in Canada when she was

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<v Speaker 1>still a small child. From an early age, Amy was

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<v Speaker 1>deeply devoted to her family, although we don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>if this was just her natural tendency or if it

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<v Speaker 1>was because she knew. The expectation was that she would

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<v Speaker 1>need to help with running the house and caring for

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<v Speaker 1>her younger siblings. Was really routinely expected of unmarried daughters

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<v Speaker 1>at the time that they would fill a role of

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<v Speaker 1>that nature within their family, and Amy had never expressed

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<v Speaker 1>any obvious interest in marriage or even mentioned any suitors

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<v Speaker 1>in her writing growing up. This of course led to

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<v Speaker 1>various speculations. Uh yeah, we'll talk about some of them

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday as well. Jocelyn Clifford Redpath was born on

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<v Speaker 1>November seventeenth, eighteen seventy six, and although his sister Amy

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<v Speaker 1>was only eight, she was one of his sponsors slash

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<v Speaker 1>godparents at his baptism. Clifford, who also went by Cliff,

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<v Speaker 1>studied at McGill University, and he joined the law program

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<v Speaker 1>there in eighteen ninety seven. Once he started studying law,

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<v Speaker 1>he also started apprenticing at the law firm of Campbell, Meredith,

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<v Speaker 1>Allen and Haig, and he was on track for a

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<v Speaker 1>law career when he graduated in nineteen hundred and started

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<v Speaker 1>to study for the bar exam. By the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen hundreds, only Amy and Clifford were still at

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<v Speaker 1>home with Ada, and they took care of her. Amy

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<v Speaker 1>ran the house and Clifford managed the finances with advice

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<v Speaker 1>from his older brothers and uncles. To be clear, while

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<v Speaker 1>they were their mother's primary companions, they weren't managing her

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<v Speaker 1>care alone. There was also a full house staff who

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<v Speaker 1>Amy hired and managed, including an nurse, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>put in the position of being the heads of the household.

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<v Speaker 1>Ada would travel to upstate New York in the summers

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<v Speaker 1>to spend time in specialty clinics or health resorts, and

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<v Speaker 1>Clifford usually traveled with her. On one occasion in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, when Ada was traveling with her older son

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<v Speaker 1>Peter instead of Clifford, she was so clingy with Amy

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<v Speaker 1>at the train station she was set to leave that

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<v Speaker 1>Amy decided she had to go with their mother as well,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she did not have any luggage or travel

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<v Speaker 1>gear with her. Yeah, she wrote in a letter to

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was a cousin about like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to Saratoga Springs and I don't even have gloves. She

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<v Speaker 1>just was like, I have nothing. Amy and Clifford were

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<v Speaker 1>also very close, and they spent a lot of time together,

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<v Speaker 1>even when it was not necessitated by their household duties

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<v Speaker 1>or responsibilities. So they would attend social gatherings and church together.

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<v Speaker 1>They often took long walks together, and Amy helped cliff

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<v Speaker 1>with his law study. You would even rewrite the notes

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<v Speaker 1>that he had taken during lectures so that they would

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<v Speaker 1>be easier for him to study when he was studying

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<v Speaker 1>for the bar, basically like she was writing study guides

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Clifford was also very very close with their mother.

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<v Speaker 1>In a letter to Clifford in eighteen ninety eight, AIDA's

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<v Speaker 1>attachment to her youngest son is a parent. She wrote, quote, dearest, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>how I miss you. I have come so to depend

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<v Speaker 1>on you that I am lost without you. Nothing seems

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<v Speaker 1>worthwhile without you, your most loving old mother. Though she

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<v Speaker 1>was still only in her late fifties. By nineteen oh one,

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<v Speaker 1>when the shooting took place, AIDA's health had declined to

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<v Speaker 1>the point that she spent her time almost exclusively in

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<v Speaker 1>her bedroom, and she had stopped attending even family events.

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff on the other hand, seemed to have a life

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<v Speaker 1>that was just on the precipice of real success. In

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<v Speaker 1>early June of nineteen oh one, there were discussions at

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<v Speaker 1>the law firm where he'd apprentice about making him a

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<v Speaker 1>partner once he passed the bar. That never happened. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to talk about how the tragedy in the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Path Home unfolded, but first we will pause for

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<v Speaker 1>a sponsor break. So we mentioned at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode that Ada and Clifford were quote found dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is often how it's reported, but to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that wording tends to convey this sense of distance, like

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<v Speaker 1>the house had been empty except for them, or that

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<v Speaker 1>they had been dead for some period of time before

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<v Speaker 1>being found, or that there could be questions about if

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<v Speaker 1>someone else had been in the house. None of that

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<v Speaker 1>was the case. It was absolutely not. They had been

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<v Speaker 1>discovered immediately because there were plenty of other people in

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<v Speaker 1>the house when the shots were fired. Those people heard

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<v Speaker 1>the shots and they went to investigate right away. That

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<v Speaker 1>sort of hazy and confusing sense of them being discovered

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<v Speaker 1>later started. Immediately in the press. The Calgary Old ran

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<v Speaker 1>a brief notice about the deaths that read, in part quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Missus John J. Redpath of Sherbrooke Street, a widow lady

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<v Speaker 1>and her son twenty five were found dying in their

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<v Speaker 1>house in Missus Redpath's room late in the night from

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<v Speaker 1>bullet wounds in the heads. The son is in the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital unable to make a statement. The mother died within

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<v Speaker 1>an hour without making a statement. All of this actually

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<v Speaker 1>happened around six pm, So the late in the night

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<v Speaker 1>statement it's not really correct. No, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>incorrect as we'll discuss. As we said, there were other

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<v Speaker 1>people home. The oldest of the redpath sons, Peter, was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He heard the gunfire and he ran right to the sound,

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<v Speaker 1>which was, as we've said, in his mother's room. There

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<v Speaker 1>were also members of the house staff in the home

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<v Speaker 1>who also went to the room. Ada did die on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Some reports say she died instantly, others make

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like she may have died a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after being found owned Clifford was still alive, although unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was reportedly taken to the Royal Victoria Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>He died that night at eleven or eleven fifteen, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe eleven fifty, maybe shortly after midnight, depending on what

0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:20.079
<v Speaker 1>account you read. Incidentally, he was never registered in hospital

0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.240
<v Speaker 1>records as having been admitted to the Royal Victoria or

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<v Speaker 1>to any other hospital. This is one of just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of small inconsistencies and gaps and the information about

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting that have kept people scratching their heads for

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<v Speaker 1>more than a century. As soon as this tragedy hit

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<v Speaker 1>the news, there were rumors about what had really happened

0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.080
<v Speaker 1>in the Red Path home, and there were a lot

0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.400
<v Speaker 1>of factors that fueled the spread of those rumors. For one,

0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the red Paths were very, very wealthy. They were from

0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a largely insular community of similarly wealthy families, so people

0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.880
<v Speaker 1>naturally had a tendency to want to speculate. But for another,

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<v Speaker 1>the sheer shock of a tragedy like this just led

0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.520
<v Speaker 1>people to say speculate about it. But there were really

0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:08.920
<v Speaker 1>three very significant contributing factors. One, there was little investigation

0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>into the shootings. Two, the family was largely unwilling to

0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.320
<v Speaker 1>discuss the matter publicly. Now, on the one hand, this

0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.760
<v Speaker 1>is totally understandable. Who would want to talk about the

0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.880
<v Speaker 1>sudden murder suicide of two family members while grieving and

0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.920
<v Speaker 1>likely in shock. But because no one from the house

0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.320
<v Speaker 1>was saying very much, their quiet started to be framed

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>as possibly covering something up, and three, the details kept

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<v Speaker 1>changing from report to report. One idea was that Ada

0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.120
<v Speaker 1>had a mental break that was brought on by ongoing

0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.640
<v Speaker 1>insomnia and that somehow led to the shooting. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative that came up in news reports immediately after

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<v Speaker 1>the tragedy. The Sherbrooke Daily Record of Montreal printed the

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<v Speaker 1>following on June fourteenth, quote, A very sad affair occurred

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<v Speaker 1>last evening. For some months, Missus jj Redpath had been

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<v Speaker 1>a confirmed invalid one of the characteristics of her malady

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<v Speaker 1>being prolonged insomnia. About six o'clock, the household heard an explosion, and,

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<v Speaker 1>hurrying to her room, found both Missus Redpath and her son,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Clifford Redpath, seriously wounded by revolver shot. Missus Redpath

0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.680
<v Speaker 1>died in a short time. Her son was removed in

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<v Speaker 1>an unconscious condition to the Royal Victoria Hospital, where he

0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.120
<v Speaker 1>expired about midnight. Neither could give any account of what

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. A write up in the Weekly News Advertiser

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<v Speaker 1>of Vancouver, British Columbia offered similar speculation, offering quote, no

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<v Speaker 1>details of the tragedy are known. Missus Redpath had been

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<v Speaker 1>ill for some time, suffering from insomnia. The surmise is

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<v Speaker 1>that while temporarily mentally deranged, Missus Redpath attempted to end

0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>her life, and in attempting to prevent her, her son

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<v Speaker 1>was shot. The unfortunate lady then completed her undertaking. But

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<v Speaker 1>the Ottawa Citizen had a different take. Yes, Ada was

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<v Speaker 1>having issues with mental health because of insomnia, but she

0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't dangerous because of it. Their ride up states quote

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<v Speaker 1>who was responsible for the tragedy is yet a mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>For some years, Missus Redpath has suffered greatly from insomnia,

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<v Speaker 1>to such an extent that her mind was affected. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Roddick had been in constant attendance upon her, but it

0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.400
<v Speaker 1>was not imagined that her condition was at all likely

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<v Speaker 1>to result in violence to herself or the members of

0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.840
<v Speaker 1>her family. Another account from the Quebec Daily Mercury seems

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<v Speaker 1>to state as fact the idea that Clifford murdered his

0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.720
<v Speaker 1>mother and then himself in a drunken rage. Quote. It

0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.280
<v Speaker 1>has transpired in connection with the Redpath tragedy that Clifford

0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Redpaths shot his mother and then put two bullets in

0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.800
<v Speaker 1>his own head. They had been quarreling for some time,

0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and young Redpath is said to have been under the

0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.320
<v Speaker 1>influence of liquor at the time of the tragedy. The

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.080
<v Speaker 1>young man was a law student. The actual findings of

0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the coroner's inquest were different from all of these theories,

0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and it happened very quickly, as in the day after

0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.359
<v Speaker 1>the shooting is when the inquest was held, and the

0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>coroner's jury was made up of members of wealthy families

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<v Speaker 1>from the small square mile community. There were John Dunns Junior, H. Browning, Lansing,

0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Lewis ECB. Fanshawe, George Hyde, Bartlett McLennan, Francis McLennan, John Walker, W. Maurice,

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:40.320
<v Speaker 1>John Savage, W. W. Watson, Charles Esdley and Herbert Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>The Halifax Morning Harold reported quote. Investigation by the coroner's

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<v Speaker 1>jury today put a new light on the Redpath tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>of yesterday. The evidence showed that missus Redpath had been

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<v Speaker 1>shot twice, once in the back of the head and

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<v Speaker 1>then a second time in the right shoulder while the

0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.760
<v Speaker 1>bullet had entered young redpass head to the right of

0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the left temple. The jury brought in a verdict that

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<v Speaker 1>the young man had killed his mother in a fit

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of temporary insanity brought on by an epileptic fit, and

0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>then taken his own life. The first story given out

0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 1>by the family that the shooting had probably been done

0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.760
<v Speaker 1>by the mother was due to the fact that the

0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.439
<v Speaker 1>young man was still alive. I feel like we should

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<v Speaker 1>just note that a lot of the language being used

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss things like epilepsy and mental illness completely outdated,

0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 1>very outdated and offensive by today's standards, so like, just

0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:39.159
<v Speaker 1>don't go repeating it in casual conversation. This also brings

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<v Speaker 1>into focus one detail that changed repeatedly about all this.

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<v Speaker 1>Although initial accounts for multiple sources stated that there were

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<v Speaker 1>two shots, there was one account in a paper that

0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Clifford had shot himself twice, and then this account which

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.960
<v Speaker 1>said that he had shot his mother twice. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be three shots total. So that's just another aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>all this that was inconsistent. Now, subsequent testimonies, and we're

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.919
<v Speaker 1>going to get to those in a moment, do support

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that three shots number. It seems like some papers may

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>have run on the assumption that it was just two

0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.960
<v Speaker 1>in their haste to get the news to print. As

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.399
<v Speaker 1>we said, we're reading these news reports that are happening

0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.840
<v Speaker 1>like day of But that is also the kind of

0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.600
<v Speaker 1>detail that you might think would surely show up in

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a police report. Of course it would. Hey, there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>one because there was no police investigation. A coroner's jury

0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.440
<v Speaker 1>was assembled there at the home, but there was never

0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a police presence. They were never called. Now how the

0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>coroner ended up there but the police didn't is a

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.400
<v Speaker 1>little unclear, although it is most likely that someone from

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<v Speaker 1>the house staff or the family called the coroner ed

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.800
<v Speaker 1>McMahon through some sort of personal connection. The Weekly News

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<v Speaker 1>Advertiser of Montreal even noted in an article about the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting quote the family refuse any information and the ps

0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.080
<v Speaker 1>LELAE only heard of the matter by accident. The family

0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 1>have issued a statement, but from it nothing can be

0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>learned of the details of the tragedy beyond the fact

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.959
<v Speaker 1>that two people are dead. We'll get into the details

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of those witness testimonies to try to unravel this thing

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit after we first pause to hear from the

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<v Speaker 1>sponsors that keep the show going. There were several witness

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.719
<v Speaker 1>statements that were given and heard by the coroner's jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Those statements were given by Peter Redpath, AIDA's son and

0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Clifford's older brother, Thomas George Roddick, the family doctor Hugh Patton,

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and Rollo Campbell, both of whom were doctors. Rose Shallow

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.199
<v Speaker 1>who worked for the Red Paths. Sometimes her name is

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.639
<v Speaker 1>written as Rosa, but it appears to have actually been

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<v Speaker 1>Rose and Charles James Fleet, who also worked in the home.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the coroner's jury report, Peter to the details

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<v Speaker 1>that we've already mentioned. According to Peter Redpath, here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote yesterday evening, I saw my brother, the deceased, arriving

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<v Speaker 1>home at around six o'clock. He seemed ill and was tired,

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>working hard to prepare for his bar exams. He went

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<v Speaker 1>up to the room of my mother, Ada Maria Mills,

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<v Speaker 1>aged sixty two, and a few seconds later I heard

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<v Speaker 1>a shot from a firearm, followed by two others. I

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<v Speaker 1>ran up and broke down the door. I saw my

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<v Speaker 1>mother lying on the floor, and several feet from her,

0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.479
<v Speaker 1>my brother also lying in a pool of blood, a

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<v Speaker 1>revolver a foot away from him near his hand. My

0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 1>brother had been very nervous for some time. Incidentally, he

0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>got his mother's adron. She was fifty nine. So doctor

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Roddick also testified that he was called to confirm the death.

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<v Speaker 1>Roddick's testimony really is the one that sets up the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that, based on the position of the bodies, he

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<v Speaker 1>believed that cliff shot his mother and then himself. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also the one that introduced the information that cliff was epileptic,

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<v Speaker 1>and this really establishes the way things shook out in

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the jury investigation. But there is a little snag here.

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Roddick had been in Montreal on the day of the shooting,

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.639
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, not where Square Mile is. It's

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.399
<v Speaker 1>a little outside the city, and by some accounts, he

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't actually get to the Square Mile neighborhood until the

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<v Speaker 1>following day when doctor Patten gave his statement. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that Aida had been shot in the back of the

0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 1>head and that Clifford was shot through the left temple.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Campbell backed up Patten's account and added that he

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<v Speaker 1>thought he saw foam in Clifford's mouth, suggesting that as

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that some kind of epileptic seizure was the cause

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:50.360
<v Speaker 1>of Clifford's behavior. Rose Shallow stated that she had hearched

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<v Speaker 1>the shots and followed Peter Redpath up the stairs to

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Ada's room, and that she had seen the two bodies

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>on the floor a few feet apart, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>two revolvers near cliff Charles James Fleet stated that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell had given him the two revolvers from the scene

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<v Speaker 1>to secure, which he produced for the jury to show

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that one had been discharged twice and the other had

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>been discharged once. In the matter of the death of

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Ada Redpath, the jury's statement read quote, we the undersigned Jurors,

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<v Speaker 1>having heard the evidence, declare that Aida Maria Mills died

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<v Speaker 1>at Montreal on the thirteenth day of June nineteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and one from a gunshot wound apparently inflicted by Clifford

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Joscelyn Redpath, while unconscious of what he was doing and

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>temporarily insane owing to an epileptic attack from which he

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>was suffering at the time. There is actually a very

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<v Speaker 1>long quote from Ada Redpath's son Harold, which was released

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of papers along with the news of

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<v Speaker 1>the coroner's jury's findings. In it, Harold stated that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I left Clifford about two o'clock yesterday in good spirits,

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 1>though somewhat unwell. In fact, Clifford had been indisposed for

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>some time owing to hard work preparing for his day examinations.

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 1>No one knows just how the affair occurred. Clifford was

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>particularly fond of his mother. The statement from Harold Redpath

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>goes on to say that the older brother believed that

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<v Speaker 1>the only explanation that made any sense was that Clifford

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 1>had some sort of quote, moment of temporary aberration and

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that led to the shooting. The brothers had, according to Harold,

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>been planning a trip to Quebec so that Clifford could

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<v Speaker 1>get in some quiet time and continue his studying. As

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 1>we said, this statement is long. It's paragraphs long, and

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's framed in the write up as though

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>it was part of a conversation that Harold had with

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a reporter, it really reads like a press release. Harold

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<v Speaker 1>may have been exactly as well spoken as the lengthy

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>quote makes him seem, but his answer may also have

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 1>been edited by the paper to take out things like

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>repetition or to improve clarity. This also makes it seem

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of like this was the family's one public statement

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to make on the matter. Yeah,

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever read somebody's interview and read a press statement,

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 1>they're not the same in tone, and this one definitely,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it reads like a press statement. There

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.959
<v Speaker 1>are some pieces of information that are held up as

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>evidence that Clifford read Path was not in any way suicidal.

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>One of these is a check which he wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bar of Montreal just two days before the shooting

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to pay for his examination fee. As we mentioned earlier,

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>he was also in discussion with his bosses at the

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>law firm where he was apprenticing about becoming a partner

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>just days before this all happened. People that hold this

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 1>theory that Clifford was not suicidal point out that conversely,

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 1>his sister Amy's descriptions of their mother Ada in the

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>months leading up to the deaths describe her as being

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<v Speaker 1>in a very depressed state where she considered life a burden.

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<v Speaker 1>The funeral for Ada and Clifford was held at Saint

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>John the Evangelist Church the day after the coroner's jury

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>came to their conclusion regarding the shooting, was less than

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours after it happened. This was unusual because

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>they were both given a high Anglican funeral, even though

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:24.120
<v Speaker 1>suicide and homicide would have both been disqualifiers for such

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a service for Clifford, a paper written by researchers from

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>McGill University about the family and the deaths for the

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Material Culture Review makes the case that Amy Redpath was

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:39.439
<v Speaker 1>influential enough in the Square Mile community she was able

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to get Clifford the formal funeral, despite it really being

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>contrary to church policy. Both Ada and Clifford were interred

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>at Mount Royal Cemetery. Yeah. It's also pointed out often

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that in municipal records there are no suicides listed as

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>having occurred that year. So whether or not Amy was

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<v Speaker 1>influential enough to have made sure those were not on

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<v Speaker 1>the record, we don't know. But Amy really controlled the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of information or black thereof about the shooting and

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>prevented anything else from spreading to the public. She seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have destroyed any discussion of the matter that may

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>have passed among family members in letters, and wrote to

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>her sister in law on August twenty fourth, so just

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<v Speaker 1>a little over two months after this tragedy quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>spent yesterday sorting and tearing up old letters, rather a

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<v Speaker 1>mournful business. One of the things that really stands out

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<v Speaker 1>as odd in the weeks and years following the murder

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<v Speaker 1>suicide was the way in which cliff was discussed within

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<v Speaker 1>the red Path family in the few surviving letters. Every

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>note about this tragedy speaks of what an amazing young

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 1>man he was, and how adored he was, what a

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<v Speaker 1>loss it is that he's gone. But the same really

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be said for Ada. They don't say much of her.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know, of course, if this is a case

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<v Speaker 1>where Clifford's youth played a role in shaping the way

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<v Speaker 1>that people in the family grieved for him, or if

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<v Speaker 1>there were any kind of missives that expressed anger about

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<v Speaker 1>his actions or spoke more mournfully about the family matriarch

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<v Speaker 1>that we just don't have. Ada is a state valued

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<v Speaker 1>at one hundred and seventy nine thousand and eighty six

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>dollars and six cents was distributed among her heirs. Amy

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<v Speaker 1>chose to stay in the house where her brother and

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>her mother died, although the rest of the family mostly

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>left the Montreal area in the decade that followed the tragedy.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>She also married doctor Thomas Roddick, who had been the

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>attending physician to Missus Redpath and a key witness in

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the Corner's inquest. Three years after the shooting, one of

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the Redpath cousins, Lily Dougal, wrote a novel titled The

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Summit House Mystery, which borrowed details from this murder suicide

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<v Speaker 1>at the Redpath home in nineteen oh one. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of combined some details that seem like they

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>came from the Lizzie Board stories, So like, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>something you can point to you and go, haha, this

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>is there clues. It was definitely fictionalized stuff. McGill University

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>still has the Red Path Library and the Red Path Museum.

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Their family donated a lot of money to the university

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. The library's function has changed. It's now

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<v Speaker 1>used as a hall for large events like school ceremonies,

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>But the Red Path Museum, which was designed by architects

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Hutchinson and Steel in eighteen eighty two and has been

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>called the first purpose built museum in Canada. Is still

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a natural sciences museum. The Red Path Mansion is not

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a place you can visit, though it no longer exists.

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>The home was demolished in nineteen fifty six. Amy had

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<v Speaker 1>died two years prior, and the property was purchased by

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<v Speaker 1>a development company. We will, of course, never know what

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 1>exactly happened in Ada's bedroom on June thirteenth, nineteen oh one.

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>We know that both of those people died by gunshot,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of how the whole incident was handled, it

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>can be difficult to trust even the official record on

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.479
<v Speaker 1>the matter of who shot who, and we have no

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>idea what may have transpired between Ada and Cliff to

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>catalyze their tragic deaths. If there was any insight into that,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems that Amy Redpath probably destroyed it. One thing

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>we haven't talked about regarding the Redpath family and Amy

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, is that she was a writer. She wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a number of closet dramas those are plays that were

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>written to be performed either privately or not at all,

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and she also wrote poetry. She wrote two poems about

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>her brother cliff after he died. We don't know of

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>any that she wrote for her mother. One of her

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>poems to Clifford, which is titled perfect in Thy Promise,

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>clearly shows her working through her grief in an effort

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to find peace in the loss of her brother. So

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that seemed like a good place to end this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect in Thy Promise as the but unfolding, perfect in

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 1>thyself as rose, fresh blown, ever gracious, all that's pure

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and good, upholding perfect spirit. Hast thou really flown? Must

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I dwell alone the many dismal morrows, far from blissful

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>hope together spanned, hope of service through assuaging dearth and sorrows,

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>hope of golden deeds. Together planned know the heavy morning

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>weeds I tear as under struggle from the clouds that

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>blacken round, close my ears to their unholy woesome thunder,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>rise anew to life from grief, unbound perfect spirit. Now

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I know that thou art near me in thy prescient calm.

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I rest content, trusting in thy love to guard and

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>help and steer me till I too have reached life's

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>high ascent. Not the most halloween ee of Halloweene episodes,

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>but you know, a mystery murder seemed like the right

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<v Speaker 1>fit for today. You have some listener man for us,

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<v Speaker 1>I sure do. It's about an older episode and an

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<v Speaker 1>artist that I love, because that seems like a peppy

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<v Speaker 1>place to land. This. This is from our listener, Andy,

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>who writes, Hi, Holly and Tracy. I've been listening to

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the podcast since twenty fifteen ish and I'm always trying

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to come up with a good reason to write you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this may or may not actually be a good reason,

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>but it made me think of you as an asign.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just write us and say hi, and also hello?

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to talk about art, that's always a

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<v Speaker 1>very good reason. Andy writes, I was in Venice recently

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of a three month trip around Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Palazzo Ducale had a special showing of Artemisia

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Gentileski's Mary Magdalen in Ecstasy on loan from a private collection.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I think a lot of people brushed

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<v Speaker 1>past it, and I wouldn't have even known who Artemisia

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<v Speaker 1>Gentileski was if it wasn't for the podcast, So I

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of felt like I was in on a secret.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had some insightful info to add here,

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>but this is mostly just me popping in to say hello,

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and you don't really want the deluge of all the

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>history nerdery I soaked up on the trip, though, I

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>suspect you two of all people would appreciate it. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for all the cheers, Andy. This also has photos

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of that painting and Venice and her cat and Andy's

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>cat Luna, which is always a delight. Luna is very

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>very cute and and is wearing a kicky little red

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>sweater and looks adorable. Yay, Andy, thank you so much. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I love hearing that people you know appreciate it art

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<v Speaker 1>in a new way because of the show. That's a

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>great honor to us. But also ooh lucky. Anytime there's

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<v Speaker 1>a painting like that that's normally in a private collection

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<v Speaker 1>and not a public view and then goes up as

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a loner, that's kind of a thrill. So I'm glad

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.480
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