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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists. We're celebrating the holidays. We hope you're

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Speaker 1: having a great time with your loved ones. Maybe some

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Speaker 1: cousins that you don't see all that often add more

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Speaker 1: than anything. We hope you're catching some vibes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we hope they're good, and we hope that you

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Speaker 2: took the if you needed to improve the vibes, you

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Speaker 2: take the famed cousin. Walk, the excursion, the safety meeting, Oh,

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Speaker 2: you know the one.

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Speaker 3: Don't do that, don't do that. No, we're all safe here.

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Speaker 3: Walk square, Just.

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Speaker 1: Have an excursion. It's good to meet the world around

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Speaker 1: you and maybe maybe come back in a better mood.

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Speaker 1: So more of an interest in reggae. So for thousands

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Speaker 1: of years, as we learned in twenty twenty, human beings

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Speaker 1: and civilizations, regardless of culture, geography, or time, they have

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Speaker 1: claimed to perceive some sort of intangible energy, not just

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Speaker 1: from their fellow primates, but from other flora and fauna

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Speaker 1: as well, and sometimes even inanimate objects. Now we talk

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Speaker 1: about this a little bit in our classic episode, but

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Speaker 1: I do want to revisit this. Have you guys ever

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Speaker 1: met an object that had a vibe or a field

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, as our friend Sarah cotton Off would say. I

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Speaker 2: know she didn't like invent that, but she's always remember

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Speaker 2: she was always asking us if we've ever talked about

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Speaker 2: her heard tell of any cursed object.

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Speaker 3: M My grandfather had this statue of a samurai. I

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Speaker 3: don't know specific wish one, but it was carved from

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Speaker 3: what looks like ivory, something I think he got a

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Speaker 3: I remember specifically seeing it in my basement, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't I don't see an energy aura right, or a

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Speaker 3: you get near the thing, and maybe just because of

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Speaker 3: what it is and I know the history, I have

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Speaker 3: are things like that you might encounter randomly in just

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Speaker 4: Time, without the backstore right family, Yes, without the context

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Speaker 4: and informing the experience. I have a I have a

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Speaker 4: couple of objects that are required to be safe kept,

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Speaker 4: safely kept, and I think a lot of older families

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Speaker 4: have something similar to that. I've got a carved baboon

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Speaker 4: that no one can touch.

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Speaker 1: It leads to disaster. It's really weird.

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Speaker 2: Go down.

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Speaker 1: Well, Noel, if you like, you could come ask the

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Speaker 1: guy yourself too. Okay, I'll teach you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the language. It speaks.

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Speaker 2: Con y'all know what you know? What I watched last night?

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Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen it before, all the way

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Speaker 2: through the movie Christine, which is definitely about an object

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Speaker 3: Is that a car?

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Speaker 1: It's a car. It's a killer car.

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Speaker 2: And okay, yeah, yeah, like it eats teenagers.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well it's a cool car. You just got

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Speaker 1: to get to know it. This is our classic episode

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty on the concept of those intangible perceivable

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Speaker 1: energy fields they're called auras.

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Speaker 5: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 5: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 5: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our suit producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know our show today kicked

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Speaker 1: off with something pretty interesting. Before we started rolling. You

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Speaker 1: Paul Mission Control decand showed us a series of pretty

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Speaker 1: let's set this up with an easy example. Picture this.

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Speaker 1: You're in a dark room. There's another person standing on

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Speaker 1: Have you just seen an aura? I mean, that's like

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Speaker 3: This is a bit weird, and I just have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some version of it is is spread far and wide.

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Speaker 2: So in ancient Greek and Latin, the word aura means wind,

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Speaker 1: It is the original. It's the original. Fmk it really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, light that emanates around or out of someone. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a little different in the New Age movement,

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Speaker 1: This is interesting because you will find many practitioners of

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Speaker 1: Just folks, listen, just just check out the trailer for Vibes.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and honestly we can tell you right now.

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Speaker 2: So in nineteen thirty nine, a man by the name

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Speaker 1: to prove the existence of auras in a way that

436
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Speaker 1: both satisfies the skeptics and the psychics alike. So what

437
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: gives is there anything like an actual aura? Here's where

438
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: it gets crazy.

439
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: Oh I knew it would, Yeah, I could feel it.

440
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a few proposed causes of at least

441
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: some things we will call auras. But we have to

442
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: get the downers out of the way first. People really

443
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: want to believe cool stuff. I do, everybody. Yeah, everybody

444
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: wants to believe cool stuff.

445
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: Everyone except nerds. They're just kidding.

446
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: But sometimes we love this idea of cool stuff so

447
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: much that we can convince ourselves we see something that

448
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: isn't actually there. And this is not to say that

449
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: anybody is purposely deceiving anyone. It's just possible for us

450
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: to deceive ourselves through one method or another.

451
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: And you know, there's also the very real occurrence and

452
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: possibility that the perception of an aura can be explained

453
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: in some kind of mental health fashion. People can, for

454
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: a varying number of reasons, hallucinate or have an illusion

455
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: of perceiving something like an aura. Although you know, for

456
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people, this would be an episodic thing, right,

457
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: or a single occurrence where I'm having I'm going through

458
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: something from a mental health perspective, and it is causing

459
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: me to perceive this rather than it is just always happening.

460
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: Right.

461
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: Generally, that doesn't mean it lands in every case, but generally.

462
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could also be something where there is a

463
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: physiological condition with the eyes, right, or the truth very true,

464
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: the connection between the eyes and the brain, or look,

465
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: i'm gonna say it, drugs, after images, catching waves and streaks.

466
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: People have encountered that sort of stuff and that we

467
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: can explain to a large degree through science. But we

468
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: also know there's a really trippy thing here. We also

469
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: know that physiological and psychological factors come into play here

470
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: in a very weird intersection that a lot of people

471
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: aren't aware of. There's someone named Bridget Perez who is

472
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: writing for The Skeptical Enquirer and noted that there is

473
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Speaker 1: a specific enzyme in every single person, which is known

474
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: as catcol o methyl transferrase or COMT. It breaks down

475
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: the dopamine in your brain and it's it's weird. Okay.

476
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: So everybody's got this, right, but we have different versions

477
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: of it. So some people have a allele with the

478
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: COMT gene of a certain type, right, and having this

479
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: certain type of allele can cause higher levels of suggestibility

480
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: or hypnotizability, I guess, the ability to hypnotize, and this

481
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: means that the capacity to cras well to be accurate,

482
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: the capacity to believe you are seeing auras may have

483
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: a proven neurochemical and genetic basis, which means you may

484
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: be inheriting this perception from from your earlier family members.

485
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: That's an incredible idea, just passing down the ability to

486
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: see yours, or even just passing down the feeling or

487
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: perception that you are seeing or else.

488
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Speaker 2: I mean, if if you go in for it at

489
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: all in terms of belief, I mean, why shouldn't it

490
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: be any different than any other inheritable trait, you know

491
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, or an inheritable talent, even it seems

492
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: like a musical talent, you know. I obviously it has

493
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: to do with nurture as much as it does nature

494
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: and practice. But you know, the inherent ability to be

495
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: a good performer or singer or whatever tends to be

496
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: passed down, it seems. I think that's fascinating. And you know,

497
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: it's the same kind of stuff you see in fiction

498
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: with like wizards being you know, sons, the children of

499
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: wizards getting inheriting that gene like in Harry Potter and stuff.

500
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: But isn't there Well maybe it skips a generation sometimes

501
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: and then you end up like there's that one generation

502
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: that doesn't get it. That would be a bummer to

503
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: be in that one.

504
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean there's another interesting thing just to

505
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: bring in here quickly, and it's the concept that we've

506
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: talked about in a couple episodes before this relating to

507
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: genes and seemingly otherworldly powers or abilities. When you're thinking

508
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: about the keys that are locked away in your DNA

509
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: that's handed down through your family, that you may be

510
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: more or less likely to experience something or to develop

511
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: something like like schizophrenia or a type of schizophrenia, or

512
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: a type of hearing voices or those kinds of things

513
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: that you know we've talked about before are linked back

514
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: to not in every case, but in a lot of cases,

515
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: humans throughout history experiencing divine inspiration or outside inspiration from

516
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: amuse or from some thing like that, where it's being

517
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: spoken to from some outside source, when in reality, or

518
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: at least according to the science, it's all happening in

519
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: your head or in one's head. But again, it's really

520
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: tough to prove.

521
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: That so far as we know. I mean, shout out

522
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: to Graham Hancock if we still haven't done an episode

523
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: on the miss the full crazy stuff about genetics. Right,

524
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about epigenetics, which humanity is

525
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: still working out. But I love the idea. I just

526
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: want to put it on the air there. I love

527
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: the idea that all that junk DNA we have is

528
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: somehow a message from an ancient civilization. Did you guys

529
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: ever hear that one? I don't know. It's too early

530
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: in the day. This is like a Saturday night at

531
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: a bar conversation, not a.

532
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: Remember Saturday night at the bar that was cool?

533
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't actually heyes, you do.

534
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I like not having to be social.

535
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair. It's a nice fag for me.

536
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm fine with it and sometimes I miss it.

537
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: But I used to all these reoccurring dreams for years,

538
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: starting when I was like six years old, when I

539
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: woke up and I was the only person on the

540
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: planet and I thought it were stold. Yeah, I was stoked,

541
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: and I thought I thought that this was the dream

542
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: that everybody had. I didn't know that people had different dreams.

543
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: Wow, weird.

544
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, look, I have a lot to learn

545
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: about human ing. But anyway, anyway, yes, genes right, we

546
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: have found we have found this proof, and we know

547
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: that we are iterations of our ancestry, expressed in ways

548
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: that we may not fully understand right within our lifetimes.

549
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: Another example of this that could also explain at least

550
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: some encounters with auras would be Senasthasia. If you're one

551
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: of the people who are hearing this podcasting colors that

552
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: you know exactly what we're talking about. For everyone else,

553
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: we'll fill you in after a word from our sponsor, and.

554
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: The sponsor is going to be very green, prepare yourself

555
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556
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we have to get through the air break

557
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: and we're back, so do certain letters have a color

558
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: in your mind or or tactile sensation is j fuzzy

559
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: to you?

560
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: Right?

561
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Does s have sinuous scales? Do sounds have taste? You

562
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean? There are people in the world

563
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: that I am actually one of them, who have this

564
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: condition called senastasia, and I imagine everybody has it to

565
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: some degree. Our sensory experiences that are usually separate, you know, sound, touch, smell, taste, site,

566
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: those kind of things. They when you have synaestaesia, you

567
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: experience it. Those things kind of their wires cross and

568
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: they exist as as they exist as one related sensation.

569
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: So you imagine every time you hear a phone ring

570
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: the old school, you know, like house phones, when you

571
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: hear one of those rings, you taste toast. Yeah, wow,

572
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: buttered toast? Don't know why.

573
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: This isn't isn't that? Also? What like people are having

574
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: a stroke report sometimes like a certain sense of tasting

575
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: bitter almonds or oranges, or smelling burnt toast.

576
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: Got me smell and almonds?

577
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially senses crossing over there in that case too.

578
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: And syina stasia has always felt like a super power

579
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: of some sort to me, and like maybe that's just

580
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: because I've never experienced it. I honestly don't know if

581
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: it's more of a blessing or a curse, or if

582
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: it's on an individual level, just how you decide to

583
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: look at it. I'd love to talk more about it

584
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: with you, Ben, I know we've mentioned it before on

585
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: the show.

586
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: You know.

587
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: I think about somebody like Daniel Tammant, who there's a

588
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: book called Born on a Blue Day, and it's all

589
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: about gentleman Daniel Tammant, and it's amazing what he can

590
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: do with what his mind does when he thinks about

591
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: numbers and a couple of bunch of other things. I believe,

592
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, guests, but I believe he

593
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: is a gentleman who sees numbers as a specific shape

594
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: and a color. And when numbers get larger and larger

595
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: and larger, for him, they become these intricate things. But

596
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 3: his mind, because he can visualize numbers in this way,

597
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: when he combines them in very you know, forms of mathematics,

598
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 3: he literally sees the answer as a thing and as

599
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: a as an object, and then interprets to that object as, oh, well,

600
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: that's these numbers, and that's this number, that's this other

601
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: new number.

602
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating. Yeah, and I'm really glad you mentioned

603
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: this because in his mind, like you said, I think

604
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: it's every digit from zero to ten thousand or something

605
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: like that, maybe even higher. Every single one has in

606
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: his head a very well defined three dimensional shape with

607
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: a unique color and texture, maybe a weight, I don't know.

608
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. So he is he is three D

609
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: modeling in real time these concepts, and and he's legitimate. Yeah,

610
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: this is is a real thing. He is also very rare.

611
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: That is a very extreme form. Oh yeah, what we're describing.

612
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: But I guess just having even one individual with their

613
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: mind functioning in that way makes it makes me feel

614
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: as those anesthesia could be maybe harnessed even further. I

615
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: don't know, And I don't mean to speak yeah, I

616
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: don't you speak out of turn here, because I have

617
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: no concept of what it would be like. But it

618
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: feels like you could harness it for something great or evil.

619
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: Maybe no, probably just great, well at least in terms

620
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: of processing power of the mind. Right, I mean, what

621
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: if we were in a world thousands of years in

622
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: the future where AI has been considered too dangerous and

623
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: we can't use quote unquote thinking computers. Yeah, I'm describing Dune.

624
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: I know, I saw the new trailer. That's what happens

625
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: in Dune. It's not a spoiler, and.

626
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: They haven't the media.

627
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's good, you'll like it. And they instead

628
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: use these things called mentats. Once you remember from the earlier,

629
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: you know, the earlier doing iterations, and what's happening here

630
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: is very similar in ways to what a mentat does.

631
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: So I think we could build real ones. I think

632
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: there are a ton of laws preventing us from doing that,

633
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether it would be ethical, But

634
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: that's a that's a longstanding point of difference to you,

635
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: and I'm at. I don't have as much of a

636
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: problem with the ethics. I am not as conflicted forward

637
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: as the future.

638
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Do what thou wilst that

639
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: will be the whole of the law, Okay.

640
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Anton what.

641
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's but you're right there there are tons

642
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: of things, like I can't remember which episode we've mentioned

643
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: this on, there are tons of things we could do,

644
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: very unethical things to change how our abilities as human

645
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: beings express right, we know there are people with nearly

646
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: unbreakable bones, people with super strength, people who were tetrachromats, right,

647
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: which I think could also so maybe be related to

648
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the idea of sensing oras. But and then there are

649
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: people like Daniel Tammitt. But synaesthesia is something that people

650
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: can experience in a one off Maybe you have been

651
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: under the influence of something and all of a sudden

652
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: you've experienced music in a new way. That's a very

653
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: common anecdote people report, and it's a real thing. But

654
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: there's an issue with this explanation. If people who are

655
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: seeing auras are sin estates, and they're seeing, they are

656
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: perceiving something through their unique sensory array, then why don't

657
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: they perceive the same thing. I always think of that

658
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: amazing author, Vladimir and Naupakov. He was a synestate and

659
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: he obsessively cataloged all the connections he encountered. You can

660
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: he has stuff like, okay, so I thought of the

661
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: letter oh, which is obviously this pale pearl apolescent kind

662
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: of smooth mirror like thing. I mean right, that's oh yeah, yeah,

663
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: that's over sure. And so he wrote this down for

664
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: all these letters or sounds that he compared his notes

665
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Speaker 1: to other members of his family who also had Senastasia,

666
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: and their answer was essentially, what is wrong with you?

667
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: You're crazy? Ohays like fluffy and it's kind of it's

668
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of red and it bounced. It's like ahways, like

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Speaker 1: a futon.

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Speaker 3: They were saying, yeah, r, however, is fully pearl uh

671
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: whatever it is that you described by apologize they can't

672
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: remember that far back. But yes, it's amazing that that

673
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 3: is amazing that he had members of his own family.

674
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: We're going back to jeans there, going back to the

675
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: DNA shared by those family members, and they didn't see

676
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: the same thing. Man. Wow, Yeah, and what's that mean?

677
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: That's it means that whatever is happening in the brain,

678
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: while the process may be similar, the end result for

679
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: the conscious mind is unique. It's distinct. There was no

680
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: true color for the letter Z, right, or no true

681
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: ubiquitous tactile surface for the letter P or J or

682
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. And so this is interesting

683
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: because in multiple studies about auras, people who feel they

684
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: perceive auras have ended up describing different things about the

685
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: same person or animal or object, different colors, different vibrations,

686
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: and so on.

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00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 3: So well, I was gonna say, there's certainly some people

688
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: the anys to say, well, yeah, obviously, because it's not

689
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: real and they're lying what But I think maybe it's

690
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: in some cases at least it's going to be more

691
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: complicated than that.

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00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: And so it makes sense that people throughout history with

693
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: some form of this condition would have no way to

694
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: explain their experiences. So in the context of their society

695
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: and their time, something like an aura seems a very

696
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: reasonable explanation for what they are perceiving. There's one last twist.

697
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: I know. It sounds like we are completely debunking auras.

698
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like science has more or less disproven the

699
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: concept of auras, at least as proposed by let Beater

700
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: and his crew. There just doesn't seem to be objective

701
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: evidence for them, at least none that can be found

702
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: in controlled studies. And again, there are loads and loads

703
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: of experiments about this. It's possible too, that when we

704
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: think of an aura, we may be experiencing other sensations

705
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 1: radiating body heat. I'm sure everybody has encountered this before.

706
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: You get a hand close enough to someone but not

707
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: quite touching them, and you can feel the heat, just

708
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: like if your hand was close to a light bulb.

709
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: But here's the twist, you see. It turns out people

710
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: don't just emit heat. We do have auras. We emit light.

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00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds insane, but it's true. And I am

712
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: looking at a study that was posted in The Guardian

713
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: at a picture of a person emitting small amounts of

714
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: light and it looks at first glance like a flear

715
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: image or something that you would see that is measuring heat,

716
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: But it is not. It is measuring light output in

717
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: a darkened room. It is the craziest thing ever, and

718
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: I can't wait to discuss it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, a team of Japanese researchers

721
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: found that human beings, like some deep sea fish, are bioluminescent.

722
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: We are very dim walking light bulbs, and the problem

723
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: is that our eyes are just a little too weak

724
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: to catch the light we're emitting. They said, they waxed

725
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: a little poetic in their study, which is published in

726
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Plos One, said the human body literally glimmers. The intensity

727
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: of light emitted by the body is one thousand times

728
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: lower than the sensitivity of our naked eyes.

729
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: Wow. So that being said, they had to use really, really,

730
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: really sensitive instruments to monitor the participants in their study,

731
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: which were five male volunteers, and they were monitored for

732
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: twenty minutes every three hours inside a completely dark room

733
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Speaker 2: for three days straight. They found that all of the

734
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: volunteers glowed throughout the day. The brightest spots appeared around

735
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: the forehead, the neck, the cheeks, and that was at

736
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: peak luminescence, I guess, in the late afternoon, and the

737
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: bioluminescence seemed dimmest at night. And it's an important caveat

738
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: here that this was not infra red radiation caused by heat.

739
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: These people's bodies and yours are actually emitting photons of

740
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: visible light, if very very small, very hard to detect

741
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: by the human eye, but it's there.

742
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is according to a journalist, Elliott Bentley.

743
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: There's a quote here, the result of highly reactive free

744
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: radicals produced through cell respiration interacting with free floating lipids

745
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: and proteins. Good luck understanding that. But it's a natural phenomenon. Essentially,

746
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: it's a set of natural processes that is causing this

747
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: small amount of light to be emitted.

748
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, these molecules interact with fluorophones. These are excited molecules.

749
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: I love that that's a scientific term. They're excited molecules,

750
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: So they're excited they interact with these fluorophores and those

751
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: can emit a photon and then boom, boom boom. You

752
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: are actually glowing. You're glowing right now while you listen

753
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: to this. You know, that's pretty cool to think. We're

754
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: all kinds of so much ben We're all kind of

755
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: like the superhero Dazzler right on a much lower level.

756
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: But the team thinks that people's heads glow the most

757
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: because they're the part of the body that generally sees

758
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: more sunlight, and this affects the melanin inside the skin

759
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: and it triggers the illuminating reaction better than other areas.

760
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: This is weird, Okay, very quickly walk with me on this.

761
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: It appears to be linked to our metabolisms. We burned

762
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: the most energy in the late afternoon, so that's where

763
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: we glow the most brightly. The coolest part about this

764
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: is that one day we may be able to scan

765
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: the surface of a person's body checking their light levels,

766
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: which already sounds kind of new age, right, and this

767
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: could help us pinpoint possible medical conditions that express themselves

768
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: through variations in the metabolism. So what does this mean

769
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: for today's show. It means that essentially, yes, human beings

770
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: do have auras, and we are learning to read them,

771
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: just not the kind of auras we thought, and we're

772
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: not the kind of reading we imagined.

773
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes sophisticated scientific equipment to read these auras

774
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: that are one thousand times less bright than your eye

775
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: can perceive. So it's highly unlikely that anyone would be

776
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: able to perceive your aura just with their naked eye

777
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: the way that so many have reported to do so,

778
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: unless there's again something at play that we don't understand but.

779
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: Still fascinating, right, and it's it's not a definitive no,

780
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: we're on the We're on the forefront of some very

781
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: very exciting things here, and this is where we want

782
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: to hear from you. Do you see or have you

783
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: seen auras? What was your experience like, what were the circumstances,

784
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: how how have you explained it in your mind? Have

785
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: you met someone who appeared to influence in one way

786
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: or another your own field of energy? Were you walking

787
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: like a good pal matt through a grocery store and

788
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: someone stopped you and said that you shot with a

789
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: golden hue, make my day.

790
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: It's a sweet thing. I mean, is such a sweet

791
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: thing to hear. But also I was like, oh, maybe

792
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: maybe I need a blot or something.

793
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe it's jaundice. You have, like some sort

794
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: of like radiative jaundice.

795
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: I was wearing stage makeup. No, I'm sure it's just here.

796
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: I think it's just your inner goodness glowing out from within.

797
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: You're golden boy, You're lady Dennis Reynolds, golden god type

798
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: of thing. I feel like I've bound us to one

799
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: always sunny reference.

800
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: Perhaps anyway, bind I like to be bound.

801
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: Tools.

802
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 5: I need my tools.

803
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, so, so we do want to hear from you.

804
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: You know, whether you think this is bunk, whether you

805
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: think there is more to the story. How do you

806
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: explain these experiences to yourselves or how do your loved

807
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: ones explain this to you? Let us know you can

808
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: find us. We're all over the internet, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.

809
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: We like to recommend our Facebook community page. Here's where

810
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: it gets crazy, where you can see a thread of

811
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: people talking about how they who are voices don't match

812
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: our faces.

813
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: And they don't listen to this. Shouldn't be coming out

814
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: of here.

815
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see a lot of that too on

816
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: our YouTube channel right in real time with the faces

817
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, glaring back at you. And that's YouTube

818
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: dot com slash conspiracy stuff and something we don't mention

819
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 2: enough that I think we should bring back.

820
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: If you want, you can.

821
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: Get stuff they don't want you to know, print it

822
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: on a mug or a T shirt or like a

823
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: mouse pad or whatever. Just go to t public dot

824
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: com and search for stuff they don't want you to know.

825
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: And there's all kinds of cool stuff there, and I

826
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: think we're going to release some new items in the

827
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: relatively near future. Yeah.

828
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: The url is t tee public dot com slash stores

829
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: slash stuff they don't want you to know. Good luck.

830
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: You can also, you could also give us a call

831
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: directly where we are one eight three three st d

832
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: w YTK. Please let us know your thoughts on any

833
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: and everything under or over the sun and important note

834
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: here let us know whether you are okay with us

835
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: using your story or your feedback on air.

836
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: Yes, and if you do end up on the YouTube channel,

837
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: please comment with your interpretations of our auras in whichever video.

838
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 3: Just put in the comments tell us what you think

839
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: and specifically what I want to see. Somebody's gonna win

840
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: the fun prize when they give us great when they

841
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: give us Scullies aura. If you see Scully in a video,

842
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: tell us exactly what her aura looks like.

843
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: This has been a subject of great contention between all

844
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: four of us for some time.

845
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: It has all right. I think that's it. If you

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00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: don't want to connect with us in any of those ways,

847
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 3: you can always leave us a good old fashioned email

848
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 3: a conspiracy.

849
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,600
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