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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Don Goli. Been welcome into the All Ball Podcast. Man,

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Speaker 1: what a great holiday season it was for New Year's

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Speaker 1: and Christmas and the chance to see the Lakers upset

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Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors without Lebron James, and of course

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Speaker 1: all of the college hoop, and we got conference play

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Speaker 1: already underway. Our guest this week is Steve prom He's

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Speaker 1: the head coach of Iowa State in the Big Twelve,

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Speaker 1: and we recorded this interview on Thursday. That's Thursday, January third,

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to it on Friday when it drops,

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Speaker 1: just understand we say last night we're getting ready for

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Speaker 1: Saturday's game against Kansas, but also I want to delvel

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Speaker 1: a little bit into his background as well. Then I'll

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Speaker 1: give you some of my thoughts on the NBA, on Lebron,

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Speaker 1: on Paul George, as well as a couple of little

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Speaker 1: thoughts on college basketball, including my somehow controversial stance on

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Speaker 1: freshman midyear transfers and why some people think it's cool

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Speaker 1: tweet and compare it to why I left Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: It's cool. Don't worry. I got the podcast they don't,

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Speaker 1: so I got the microphone. They don't, nor will they anyway.

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Speaker 1: Steve from is the head coach at Iowa State. We

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Speaker 1: first met when I had I transferred out of Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame and I had I was kind of wishy washy

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Speaker 1: of summer, I had some scholarship offers like Cincinnati wanted

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Speaker 1: me to come and sit out for You're not just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really want to be educating the process.

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Speaker 1: Because when I signed Notre Dame, I hadn't seen them play,

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Speaker 1: and by the time I saw him play, I remember

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Speaker 1: I went to their game. They played first at Loyal

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Speaker 1: was a mistake. Now look, that's not why it didn't

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Speaker 1: make as educated decision as possible. So I decided to

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Speaker 1: go to Golden West College. My old high school coach,

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Speaker 1: uh Tom McCluskey, who coached me my freshman year, want

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Speaker 1: At Golden West. They hadn't had a varsity junior college

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Speaker 1: Tommy let me. He actually let me coach. I was

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Speaker 1: I would I would coach. I would actually get to call,

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Speaker 1: in the Elball podcast. Okay, so fast forward to that.

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Speaker 1: You're a manager at Alabama and what Billy Kennedy got

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Speaker 1: the job at Sentinary, right, yep, So how do you Okay?

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Speaker 1: So at the time you're at Alabama, you're still a student,

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Speaker 1: weren't you? And then you and then that that was

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Speaker 1: And so sad the Setinary and UM got a baseman

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. What's amazing about the Alabama thing is that

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Speaker 1: Marlin has done an unbelievable job. Um, and he was

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Speaker 1: really you know, making a strong emphasis like guys getting

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Speaker 1: in the gym and putting a lot of time in

429
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Speaker 1: on their own. I think that's been important. But just

430
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Speaker 1: understanding at the end of the day that you know,

431
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: you just gotta be who you are. And I think

432
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: it took me a little bit of time here and

433
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: doing that where you know, you're here for a reason,

434
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 1: you got this job for a reason. I just go

435
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: be what got you this job? And I think these

436
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: players know that that the former guys that I love

437
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: the might care for one and and that I'm here

438
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: for him and we want him back around campus and

439
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: and that's why we got a lot of guys coming back. Yeah. Um,

440
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: all right, So now you got Kansas this Saturday, and

441
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: they're the rival slash nemesis of the entire league, but

442
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: especially of Iowa State basketball, right, Like, God, if we

443
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: just beat those guys, just if we just just beat

444
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: those guys every it changes the complete perception no matter

445
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: how well you do, UM, as you know around campus

446
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: and nationally, how Iowa State specifically does against Kansas kind

447
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: of is how people view your your team, and your

448
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: team is one that's still kind of coming together, right,

449
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: Like you didn't have wing Inton, You've had some other

450
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: suspensions early in the year, Like you're still not whole

451
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: yet with your with your big guys. Um, what is

452
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: it like to prepare for a game like Kansas? But

453
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Speaker 1: just you know, only two obviously out of out of

454
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Speaker 1: the eight teen games you play in the Big Twelve,

455
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: but they're weighted games with the perception of how big

456
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: this game is. Yeah, there's no question, And I like,

457
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: that's why you're here. I mean, that's why you want

458
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Speaker 1: to be in this league and you want to challenge

459
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Speaker 1: yourself as a coach and as a player and as

460
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Speaker 1: a staff and as a program. And you know we've

461
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: had we've had good success against Kansas. I think, you

462
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: know up intil this past year and you know, they

463
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: swept us this past year. But you know, I think

464
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: we're five and five or six and six against them

465
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: up until up in that point over the last six years.

466
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Fred has a lot to do with that.

467
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: Um you know, like we just touched on, but this

468
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: is a great opportunity. It's kind of a you know,

469
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: it's you know, people say moves the needle type of game,

470
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: but it's obviously it's one of those games that they say, hey, man,

471
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: Iowa States back. They have a chance to that they

472
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: can be selfless, that they can grow on the defensive end,

473
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: if they can continue to share the ball, that they're

474
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Speaker 1: gonna be a team that you're gonna have to reckon

475
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Speaker 1: with in the Big twelve. And you know, coach self

476
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: to standard in the league is for from a coaching standpoint,

477
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: their programs as standard, uh from a team standpoint, not

478
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: just in our league but nationally. And you know, it's

479
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna come down to toughness, attention to detail, and being

480
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: great defensively. And he will be a lot of fun Saturday,

481
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Speaker 1: but you're not gonna win this game because of a

482
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Speaker 1: lot of hype. We're gonna have to be tougher than them,

483
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: and you know they play with great toughness. He got

484
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Terris Haliburton, who had four three's at the time. That's

485
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Speaker 1: recording last night of in Socoma State, Taylor Horton Tucker

486
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. The the six four freshmen out of

487
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Simeon High School. You've got a couple of really young

488
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: players to go along and like, look, we think of

489
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Lynndale Wigginton as old, right because he played last year

490
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean technically he's twenty years old, but

491
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: he's still only a sophomore. What do you what do

492
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Speaker 1: you what's your process of motivating getting ready for a

493
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: game like Kansas with two freshmen who have they really

494
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Speaker 1: have no idea what this game. The intensity of this

495
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: game is going to be, Like, yeah, it's gonna ramp

496
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: up even you know, obviously, you know there's a lot

497
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Speaker 1: of intensity the other night and still Water, but you know,

498
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: home games a lot of emotion, a lot of energy, um,

499
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of hype to the game. It's the Saturday

500
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Speaker 1: afternoon game. You love Saturday afternoon games. You know, these

501
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: guys have been able to I think the one blessing

502
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: and disguise has happened with this team is we had

503
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: the two injuries, we had the two suspensions. It gave

504
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Speaker 1: some of these freshman an opportunity to be a about

505
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: to play more minutes early in the season, be able

506
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Speaker 1: to play through the stakes because of the number of

507
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: guys we had eligible just eight guys, and go play

508
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: in a in a high level environment in Maui. You

509
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: know those games of Ali regardlessly opponent. Man, They're tough,

510
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: they're competitive, there's a lot of emotional, lot of energy there.

511
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Speaker 1: And I thought those guys respond and I think this

512
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: will be even another higher step than that. But no

513
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: biggest thing I told those guys man, and just like

514
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: they've done all years, man, play loose, play free, have fun.

515
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: Tyrese has a great spirit about him. He's got a grade.

516
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Speaker 1: He's just he just has that hit factor. Taylor has

517
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: been under the weather a little bit, so we gotta

518
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Speaker 1: get him help you over the next couple of days.

519
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I like our other freshmen as well too.

520
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: George Kunn has given us some good minutes of you know,

521
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: at the five spot when he's had too. But we've

522
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: got to get Cam and Larry back going. And I

523
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: thought last night was a big step with that. Uh.

524
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Speaker 1: Lyndall Wigginson is a super, super talented Canadian kid, played

525
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: ok Hill and he had good year but wasn't seen

526
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a high first round draft pick.

527
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: So he's come back. It's a challenge that a lot

528
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: of people I think are interested in. I'm interested in

529
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: how you like, you know, like is he really back

530
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: or is he not really back? And obviously the injury

531
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: and watching you guys playing MAUI probably made him hungrier

532
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: to get back and to play the right way. Uh,

533
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: what's what's that been like for you? In a guy

534
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: who he watches. I'm sure many of his contemporaries, not

535
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: just Canadians, but other kids playing in the NBA right now.

536
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: And there's that just inherent Kelsey that could be me.

537
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: How do you get him kind of focused and butt

538
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: into what you want to do, what you want to

539
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: accomplish this year? Names well, I think the biggest thing

540
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: and I've talked to all these guys about it this year. Um,

541
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I liked this team. I said it from this summer.

542
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: I've liked our team. I've liked our work ethic. Unfortunately,

543
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: Lindelo had a tough injury, you know, after the first

544
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Speaker 1: game this season. You know, I just told him, I said, guys,

545
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Speaker 1: if you do one thing, you need to play for

546
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Speaker 1: Iowa State. And there's a quote that we've used all year,

547
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Speaker 1: and I used the first year at Murray when we

548
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: were having a ton of success, just to try to

549
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: keep people locked in, is don't seek honor. You know,

550
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: honor will find you. You know, everybody has their own path.

551
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I've got my own path to become the head coach

552
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: I started as a manager. Like a touchdown. Everybody has

553
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: their own path to the NBA. You know Monte Morris,

554
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: you know he could have left after his junior year,

555
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: comes back plays his senior year. Look where he's at

556
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: now in the NBA. He's leaving the NBA and assisted

557
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: turnover race, he's unpaced to possibly break the record. And

558
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: now you know he's in a major rotation guy for

559
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: the first place team in the West. So everybody has

560
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: their own process, the own own journey to reach their goals.

561
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: And I've just been preaching to these guys about playing

562
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: for Iowa State. If you because I think that's what

563
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: made this program so good when I got here, Niang

564
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: and as long, I mean, they had, they had so

565
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: much pride in this place, and that's why it's great

566
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: to have those guys come back to continue to preach

567
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that massive. I think all great programs bring those guys back,

568
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: and that's been the biggest message. And I think, you know,

569
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: and my biggest thing talking to Lindell is hey, you know,

570
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: continue to improve on decision making, continue to grow defensively,

571
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: continue to grow in your leadership. Let's get your sister

572
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: turnover ratio better. He's almost two to one issue um,

573
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: and he just needs to get his game conditioning back now.

574
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: But I thought he was terrific for us last night.

575
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I thought he put pressure on the goal in transition.

576
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: I thought he put pressure on the rim and in

577
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: the half court, and then he made the big three

578
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: to kind of when we couldn't make shots late in

579
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: the game, he made the bigger ones to separated. And

580
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, if they can stay true to that quote,

581
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: don't speak on or honor will find him. You know,

582
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: I think we've got a lot of guys down the

583
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: road that can be successful playing this game for a

584
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: long time. All right, you have the ball, you have

585
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: the ball late in the game, and you called time out. Now,

586
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: first of all, let's say you have the ball and

587
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: uh do you are you a call a time out guy?

588
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Or call a play in front of your own bench? Guy? Man,

589
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really more just let those guys play.

590
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a big Hey. You know these guys,

591
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: you know we practice, They know we want to do,

592
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, our team, To be honest, I think we're

593
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: better or we're just moving the ball, cutting space and

594
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: the floor, playing off ball screens, or playing off cutting

595
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: and ball movement, and so I would be more likely

596
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: to probably just you know, call an action or tell

597
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: them that, you know, obviously play at playing transition and

598
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: and see what it you know what the defense you

599
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: know dictates. But um, you know, like last night, I

600
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: was kind of mad at myself. A minute to go

601
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in the first half, I called time out. Then they

602
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: go zone. We don't execute it. It's a zone. We

603
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: turn it over. They hit a three where you know

604
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: we've got some experience, man, just just play. Yeah. Yeah,

605
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you overthink it, you overcoach it, and you end

606
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: up helping the other guy. You know, have the other

607
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: team kind of catch their breath or change or change

608
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: some things. Um self is famous for being great out

609
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: of time out and he puts things is in kind

610
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: of day of game. How do you how do you

611
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: prepare for that? But we'll show you know today, you

612
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: know when we show film. You know, we we got

613
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Speaker 1: back you know, one two in the morning last night,

614
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: so you know, we'll meet at three thirty to day.

615
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: We'll watch film from last night's game. You know, guys

616
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: will go out and swarm up stretch. You know, we'll

617
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: shoot today and then we'll come in and watch tape

618
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: on Kansas Enough. We'll take probably about four of the

619
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Speaker 1: things that they come out of time out that they've

620
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: shown to be their main things, and and we'll talk

621
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Speaker 1: to guys about that, how we wanted to send that

622
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: and things to look for obviously, you know, like we

623
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: touched on earlier, East Terrific Hall of Fame coach, Um,

624
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: we just gotta be really dialed in coming out of

625
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: every time out of what we think they're looking for.

626
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: And there's some time out. We'll try to do this,

627
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, do the same. If you think you can.

628
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, if you think you can, you know, get

629
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: an advantage, but you know they think they have a

630
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: core of you know, four to six things that he

631
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: really likes to change up with. There. Uh last, all right,

632
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: let's just let's just imagine because you're focused on winning

633
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: the game. You you beat Kansas, they usually rushed the floor,

634
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: You do interviews. What do you do next? You go,

635
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: you go home? Do you go to the office and

636
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: crack a beer? Is there a bar you go to?

637
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: What is when when Steve Prome and the Proman Empire?

638
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: When you you get done and you just use beat Kansas,

639
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: You've just vanquished the enemy? What do you do? I

640
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: know this is probably just the sounds boring, but um,

641
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: probably if we win the game, go hold my wife

642
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: and kids first, you know, go to the locker room.

643
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: We'll finish that tomorrow actually Saturday at the TV show

644
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: as to the game. So I'll do that and then

645
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: probably pick up food for the family on the way home.

646
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: And then where where where Where's where's the favorite spot? Um?

647
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Probably I would between Wallabies alas tech of the Mexican Spotter,

648
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: the cafe that's kind in the area that that I

649
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: live in, and so that's something on the way on

650
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: that I'll pick up and whichever my son, my son

651
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: will usually pick and then I'll pick that up. And

652
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: my wife's has some family in town will come. I'll

653
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: get back and and really I'll spend just until those kids,

654
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: my kids, my two kids go to sleep. I just

655
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: hang out with them and you know, we'll goroop around,

656
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: We'll play, well, you know, watch Netflix, whatever little show

657
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: he likes to watch, or my daughter likes to watch,

658
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: and we'll read and we'll just hang out. And then

659
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: when they go to bed, then I'll watch the replay

660
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: of our game and and then uh, then I'll go

661
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: to bed and wake up that next morning and um

662
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: start working on Baylor. M all right, well interesting stuff. Listen.

663
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate you catching up with us and tell us

664
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: a little bit about your story. Uh you ever want

665
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: to come back and tell more kind of Billy Kennedy

666
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: war stories. Uh, this is considered this because there's is

667
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: a friendly place, because that's the whole idea behind it.

668
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: But I saw your team like your team, and I

669
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: know that that that's not like the building construction of

670
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: this is not finished, but that's kind of one step

671
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: in the process. And I want to catch up and

672
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: and we should luck this weekend against Ku. No. I

673
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, I appreciate you and appreciate you following us.

674
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I wish we could have got you out

675
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: of man. I know you made a big impact up

676
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: there Oklahoma State. But we uh, it'll be fun Saturday.

677
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: These guys they deserve an opportunity like this, and you know,

678
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: hopefully we can play well. All right. Well, people think

679
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: that we're related, we're not. We have different parents. We

680
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: just somehow came out looking very very much the same.

681
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: And of course our paths has crossed many a time.

682
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you time and let you get back to work.

683
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: And Mark Cuban, Yes, yes, that's that's that's the other

684
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: our rich uncle, which we wish we were in the wheel.

685
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: That's exactly what. You know. One time when I wasn't

686
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: when I was at Murray and we were trying to

687
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: raise money. I sent him an email just seeing if

688
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: you wanted to donate to our to our raise your club.

689
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: But I never got an email back. So um, you know,

690
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: and uh and and and order in place. You need

691
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: to try to raise money, man, you'll try to do anything.

692
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: So I sent him somewhere feel good email, but I

693
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: didn't get anything back. So well, let's listen for a

694
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: guy who was living in a basement in sentenary to

695
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: now being head coach with an outstanding team in Iowa.

696
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Stayed like, you've kind of made it for yourself. He

697
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: should have. He should have bought stock in that a

698
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: long time ago. Had you known, right? Yeah, thanks for

699
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: having me. Happy New Years Man, that was great catching

700
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: up with Steve prom. I got into it on Twitter

701
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: with a killed people who tried to troll me. Um

702
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: Eton Thomas, who's very active in social justice and kin

703
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to even out the playing field as he

704
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: sees for collegiate athletes and for pro players as well.

705
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: Even Jay Williams, my former colleague at ESPN, chose to

706
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: troll me for what I what happened, and both both

707
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: thought like what I so, here's what I why I

708
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: tweeted out what I said. Look, transferring out halfway through

709
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: your freshman year is stupid. It just is. If you

710
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: want to say, hey, I was overwhelmed at academically my

711
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: freshman year in college, guess what? So is most everybody else,

712
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: especially student athletes. If you want to say hey, look,

713
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: I just don't think I'm good enough for I'm gonna

714
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: play enough. I guess what, that's most people. It's most people.

715
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: And if you transfer out after you know nine twelve,

716
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: thirteen games, you don't know anything to to people who say, well,

717
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: listen you, you know you're not a right fit. How

718
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: you fit when you're in September, October, November, December has

719
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: nothing to do with January, February, March. Things change, You'll

720
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: get additional you will get an opportunity if you're not playing,

721
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: or you gotta get an opportunity, and you'll you'll improve

722
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: and you'll fall, but some things will level off. But

723
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: what we've done by making kids so they can like, look,

724
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: we've made it actually extra beneficial to transfer early. If

725
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: you transfer out semester of your freshman year, you can

726
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: play the next year at semester, so you don't actually

727
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: sit and then you're going to graduate likely graduate early,

728
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: and so when you graduate early, you can transfer second time.

729
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: So we've we've we've done the opposite of what we

730
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: want to do, which is, hey, we want to give

731
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: you a scholars People want to give a chance to succeed.

732
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: If you sit, if you transfer, you sit out for

733
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: a year. You you really get to soak up the

734
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: culture and prove as a student, prepare yourself. There has

735
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: to be some sort of punishment for leaving a contract

736
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: before its fulfilled. That's what it is. The coaches have

737
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: a buyout, players have a contract that they have to

738
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: sit out for a year. I think that's actually reasonable.

739
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: And the people who and there's a lot of you

740
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: who want to say coaches and players are the same, No,

741
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: they're not. No, not coaches. Most of them were players previously.

742
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: They've worked their way up and they're in charge of

743
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: entire teams, assistant coaches, trainers, secretaries, their families. It all

744
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: the players, all falls on the around responsibility that you

745
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: may say with with greater responsibility comes greater pay. And

746
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: that great responsibility also includes you can't leave your team. Coach,

747
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: you can't leave his team in the middle of the season.

748
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: None of them do. What coach leaves, he's replaceable if

749
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: a player leads a midseason. It's not like the NBA

750
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: where you can just go, hey, we'll go off to

751
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: free agent wire. We gotta replace you, maybe with another

752
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: transfer who has to also set up for a year.

753
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: So what I offered up on Twitter was and look,

754
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: if you accept a scholarship and four months in you're like,

755
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm out, Why shouldn't you have to repay some of

756
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: that scholarship. You've taken something that no one else can

757
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: now use. No one else can use a scholarship to

758
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: play basketball at that university. Maybe you give it to

759
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: a walk on whatever for the second half of the

760
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: year and if you want, and I said, you know,

761
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: it's like could be up to a hundred thousand dollars. Like,

762
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: nothing's a hundred dollars yet is play basketball at a

763
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: private school. It's sixty seventy thousand dollars. That's how much

764
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: the tuition is. All right, maybe it's half of that

765
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: thirty five, but think about all the money that's spent

766
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: in recruiting you. They secure your commitment and letter of intent,

767
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: they stopped recruiting anybody else usually at that position, they

768
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: you secured one of thirteen scholarship. We don't just do

769
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: room board tuition, cost of attendance? Do you have to

770
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: pay that back? And and oh yeah, by the way,

771
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: like not just the promotion, the training, the workouts, the tutoring,

772
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, all the devices that you can get that

773
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you can borrow from the academic center, like, look, it's

774
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be a hundred grand. But if you're not

775
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: going to see it through for an entire year, there

776
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: has to be some sort of punishment. Really, you're not

777
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: fulfilling your contract. And when you do that in anywhere

778
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: else in the real world, there's a punishment. So and

779
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: if you want to troll me about Notre Dame, like, look,

780
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: I went through an entire year at Notre Dame, so

781
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: it's not even close to being the same thing. Besides,

782
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: I didn't leave in my own accord. I had to leave,

783
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: and when I left, the end up getting Jimmy Dillon

784
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the scholarship at Notre Dame, something he wouldn't have gotten previously.

785
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: So you have your facts wrong. You don't understand the

786
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: premise of the discussion, and you're not realistic with the

787
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Nobody knows anything about their team, even in even January one.

788
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: Let's stop acting like it's a smart idea for a

789
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: kid to bail in January. It's dumb. I thought about

790
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: doing it at Oklahoma State. I was having a terrible

791
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: run and in the doghouse at Oklahoma State, I was

792
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas getting ready to play U n l V.

793
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I've been benched for like six great games after getting

794
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: thrown out of a U c l A game, and

795
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave. And then I went out and

796
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I had four points and fifteen assists and we beat

797
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: un l V, and I was like, you know what,

798
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: maybe I'll stick this thing out. And I did. Was

799
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: the best decision I've ever made. You learn something from sitting,

800
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: You learn something from learning. And this idea that we

801
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: make it not just super easy but almost beneficial to

802
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: leave halfway through your freshman year is stupid. We are

803
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: hurting players for when they're done playing basketball, understanding how

804
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: to push through things. It's not unreasonable to have them

805
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: stay through their freshman year. So look that that's my opinion.

806
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: And if you want to throw me on Twitter about it, cool,

807
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: and I understand on Twitter suddenly everybody's a tough guy somehow.

808
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: Schools are out to get players and whatever. Like, if

809
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: you're not reasonable about it, especially if you cover the

810
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: sport you play the sport, then I kind of feel

811
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: like I don't have time for you. And most people

812
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: listen to this. There's there's plenty of things to debate,

813
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: and anyone By the way, who debates to you what

814
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: players should be allowed to transfer right away and not

815
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: sit out. The realities of it are that didn't work

816
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: in high school, it's definitely not gonna work in college.

817
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: It would cost for mass movement, which is not good

818
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: for the sport. We've discussed this on previous podcast, but um,

819
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of restrictions of of

820
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: movement in terms of playing. Remember, there is no n

821
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: A rule against you transferring schools if you can get

822
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: into that school. The only n c A rules are

823
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: when you're eligible to play. So don't tell me, Hey,

824
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to go be closer

825
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: to home, closer to my grandma. Okay, you can, you

826
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: just can't play basketball for a year. And by the way,

827
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: if you really want to fix it, grad transfers should

828
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: have to sit out a year or what as well,

829
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: get six for four, six years to complete four. If

830
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: you graduate on time, it's cool and you already red shard,

831
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: that's fine, and we don't I don't care. Fine, sit

832
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: out a year, get your really legit, get your grad degree,

833
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: and then you can play. I think it's a very

834
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: reasonable thing. All these guys that want their grad degree.

835
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Show me the grad degree that you're transferring for all

836
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: right quickly on the NBA UM, I know this this

837
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: assumption that because Paul George is having a killer year,

838
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: that the Lakers made a mistake. But the Lakers gonna

839
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: be fine. You know. I don't know what's the matter

840
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: with Kyle Kuzma's back, and I would hope that Lebron

841
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: James will be back early from the groin injury. But

842
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: but Kuzma is gonna be a borderline all star. Lebron

843
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: James still has something left from Tank. He's averaging twenty

844
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: seven a half point the game and he can't make

845
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: a free through. That's reality. Uh Alonzo is still very inconsistent,

846
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: but improved. Josh Hart's probably more of a bench player,

847
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: but massively improved. Brandon Ingram's played better. He's not great.

848
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he becomes trade fodder, but he's not a terrible player.

849
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: Can Tavious called well, Pope Pray playing pretty well, but

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Speaker 1: If you want to look back at Paul George in

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Speaker 1: the decision aw to trade for him. You have to

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Speaker 1: also remember that the Lakers at that point in time

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Speaker 1: had a completely different roster filled with guys like Lull

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Speaker 1: Dang they couldn't wait to get rid of, and Jordan

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Speaker 1: Clarkston they couldn't wait ready to wait to get rid of,

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Speaker 1: also get rid of quickly. All of these names, and

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Speaker 1: And we'll see if Kauai Lettery comes to the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: But but these two things can actually go exist. Kauaia

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Speaker 1: Paul George can be very good in Oklahoma City and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers can be right on their path, their their

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Speaker 1: their planned trajectory of being good this year, top four

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