1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a teen boy, 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: a homebody who loves his dog, end up face down 3 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: in a field dead by drowning? Well, this young boy's 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: family says this was no accident. We want justice. Crime 5 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a listen to what we 6 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: know about this young boy Cowombobby Charles had just moved 7 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: from Youngsville, Louisiana, to Baldwin to Louve with his father. 8 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: He had just started a new school. His family says 9 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: he was a quiet, fifteen year old and slender. He 10 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: stood five feet seven inches tall and weighed just one 11 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: hundred twelve pounds. A local newspaper reports charles dad is, 12 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: saying the teen had recently saved his allowance to buy 13 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: a computer, and he got a dog that he loved. 14 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: He named the dog my Baby. On October thirtieth, Roxanne 15 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Nelson noticed her son was missing around three pm and 16 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: began calling around to find him. Soon after, Nelson and 17 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: Bobby Charles's father called nine one one, and this young 18 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: boy had just turned fifteen. He was just a little 19 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: over fourteen years old. That's one year older than my twins, John, 20 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: David and Lucy. Think about it, think about it. How 21 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: in the hay does he end up dead? Face down? 22 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: And I feel old, dying of drowning with me an 23 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it 24 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: back together again. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Analyst to the Stars, 25 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills and you can find her 26 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 27 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star 28 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: of a brand new hit series, Poisonous Liaisons on the 29 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: True Crime Network. It's Death Investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, lead 30 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: news anchor for Orlando's WDBO, Ray Kiputo, and special guest 31 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: joining us, Ronald ron Healey Junior practices out of Baton Rouge, 32 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: but really all over the country, and he is the 33 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: lawyer for this young boy's family. First of all, to you, 34 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Ray Kipputo, explain to me the movements of Kawan that morning. 35 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Kawan Bobby Charles, Well, he was he was in his 36 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: home in Ballwinner. I's about thirty five mental where you 37 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: just recently moved from Youngsville, and that's just south of Lafayette. 38 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: So we see him on video. He's sitting on a 39 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: curb and a card drove BUYD. Apparently this car has 40 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: a friend's mother who's driving and one of them, what 41 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: you got me, Jake from the fire hychant It's too much, 42 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: too fast. So that day you're telling me, Ray Caputo 43 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: w DBO was a day like others. He was at 44 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: home whereas he and his dad were living, and around 45 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: three o'clock he what he gets into a car, leaves 46 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: comes back. It looks like a bunch of people got 47 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: out and they go into the backyard, then they get 48 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: back into the car. I don't know if it was 49 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of people. Maybe you and I interpret the 50 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: facts differently. Take a listen to our friend, Jerika Duncan, 51 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: CBS police say. Video from the day Kawan Charles went 52 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: missing shows the teenager sitting outside his home on the 53 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: afternoon of October thirtieth. A silver car passes in front 54 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: of him, and Charles appears to run after the vehicle. 55 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Several minutes later, the same car returns and pulls into 56 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Charles's driveway. According to police, three people, including the fifteen 57 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: year old, then exit the vehicle and head into his backyard. 58 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: They then return to the car and drive away. It's 59 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: my understanding to Ron Heley Junior, this is the lawyer 60 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: for Kawan Bobby Charles's family, that they go into the 61 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: backyard to pet my baby the dog. I mean, this 62 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: is a kid who is saving up his allowance to 63 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: buy a computer and hangs out with the family dog. 64 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: It sounds like Opie in Mayberry for Pete's sake. So 65 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't see anything nefarious about friends driving by. As 66 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: it turns out, I believe it was a friend and 67 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: the friend's mom. But they drive by, he actually chases 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: after the vehicle. On the video, you see the vehicle 69 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: come back and they all go into the backyard. And 70 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: what I think happened in the backyard, although it's not 71 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: on video, is said they played with the dog. Then 72 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: they got back in the car and left. Is that 73 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: your understanding of the facts so far, Ron Haley Junior 74 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: at that point, yes, okay, that's the fact that we 75 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: appreciate it. So doesn't sound to me like he was 76 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: kidnapped by these people. Who are the people, Ron Haley Junior. 77 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: So the people the woman's name is Janet Irban and 78 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: her son. I don't want to get the son's name out, 79 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: although it has been released because he is a juvenile, 80 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: and I do respect that. But that was his friend 81 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: buddy from school that he knew from around the way. 82 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: He got into Janet's car with the seventeen year old 83 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: son and drove off about twenty five to thirty miles 84 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: away from his father's residence. The issue that we have 85 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: with that is why wasn't his parents notified. That's a 86 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: good point because my children are. They just turned thirteen 87 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Ron Haley Junior, and that's about a year younger than Kawan. 88 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, I know where they are. 89 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: I know where they are right now, and I'm gonna 90 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: know where they are twenty four seven, three sixty five 91 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: until they go to college. God help me. So I 92 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: would have a big problem with anybody coming and getting 93 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: the twins or one of the twins without me knowing. 94 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: But that, of course, it's not a crime. Back to you, 95 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo. So I don't hear a bunch of people. 96 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: I hear this friend from school and the friends and 97 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: mom and they go in the backyard and pet the dog. 98 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: So so far, I'm not hearing anything nefarious. As a 99 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: matter of fact, take a listen again to our friends 100 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: at CBS. The family's not questioning the veracity of the video, However, 101 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: our interest is now solely focused on what occurs as 102 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: soon as that video stops. Chase Trachelle is a lawyer 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: for the family of Kuwan Charles. He says the video 104 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: supposedly showing the fifteen year old willingly leaving his home 105 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: with two people does a little to explain why police 106 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: never issued in Amber alert after Charles's parents reported him 107 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: missing on October thirtieth. Yeah, I've got questions about why 108 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: Amber alert was never issued as well to Ray Kaputo 109 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: joining a wdbo Ray Kaputo, so we know he's alive 110 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: and well. Around three o'clock in the afternoon, he's there 111 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: at home with his dog. So he leaves with the 112 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: friend and the friend's mom. Now I would have been 113 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: a little suspicious about an older friend the friends seventeen, 114 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I believe Ron Haley Junior said, without the family knowing 115 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: where he's going. But you've got the mom in the car, 116 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: and in my mind that makes it not as concerning. 117 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: So where do we think he went? Then, Ray Kaputo, well, 118 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: twenty five miles away to the friend's hospit. I believe 119 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: is called Waraville and it's about twenty five minutes away. 120 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: So they hung out and that was the last anybody's 121 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: ever seen of him. So we have this young boy, 122 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Kawe Bobby Charles with his friends about thirty miles from home. Now, 123 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: what you have to understand to Ron Heley Junior, the lawyer, 124 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: a thirty minute drive is not a big deal in 125 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that part of the world, except for the parents didn't 126 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: know where he was. What do you think about that, Ron, No, 127 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you on that standpoint. And to make 128 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: it in a legal context, they're all a part of 129 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the same judicial district, so they're right by each other. 130 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: God thinks the bigger issue is that his parents didn't 131 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: know that. Nobody came out Kawan's house that didn't come 132 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: out Wade say hey, where are you going when you're 133 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna bring him back? You know all the things that 134 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: whenever look when your twins go spending nights so well 135 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: by somebody's house. You absolutely know the parents telephone number, 136 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: you know where they're going to be, what they're gonna 137 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: be doing. None of that happened. And as a father myself, 138 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: if I went picked up one of my little girl's 139 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: friends from their parents' house and mom and dad not home. 140 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm calling him on the phone to make sure I 141 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: could pick him up. Hide that. Hey, it's cool for 142 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: me to come over. Yeah, that's not happening. Crime Stories 143 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about the disappearance 144 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and the unusual death of a teen boy, real homebody, 145 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: uh Kawan Bobby Charles in rural Louisiana. So many questions 146 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: surrounding his disappearance, and then how does this young boy 147 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: end up dead, face down in a field dead by drowning? 148 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: With me in addition to our panel, doctor Bethany Marshall, 149 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and Ray Kiputo. Special guests joining us, 150 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Ronald Hilly Junior, the lawyer for the victims family. I'm 151 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: with you on that, and I am not above driving 152 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: by where one of the twins is spending the night 153 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: and taking a look at the house. And if I 154 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: can see inside, that's all the better because I want 155 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: to know my children are all right. Am I understanding 156 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: ron Haley Junior that Kawan's dad was home when Kauwan left. 157 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: That's our appreciation of it. Around three o'clock Kauan's dad 158 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: was actually home. But what happened from then until he 159 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: realized that he was that Kawan wasn't home, We don't know. 160 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: So okay, film, he was in the room to you, 161 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, at three o'clock, he's gone. What happens next, Well, 162 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: eventually his parents realize that he's missing, and his mom 163 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: in his death. They called Baldwin police and they say 164 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: that they can't find our son. But what they don't 165 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: do is they don't issue an ambreller. They start to 166 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: ask questions or even the family and the lawyer can 167 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: tell you that they said that maybe he's in a 168 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: football game, even though Kawan doesn't like sports, So they 169 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: immediately didn't take it seriously or as seriously as they 170 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: could have. Let me down, us down, Ray Kaputo, Ray Kaputo, 171 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: lead anchored WBO. What time did the parents say, okay, 172 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: this isn't right, where's Kawan? And they call police? What 173 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: time did that happen? My recollection was in the evening 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: around eight o'clock to Ron Hanley Junior, Is that correct? 175 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: That's correct? So did they do a cursory search before 176 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: they call police? Trying to figure out when they first 177 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: realized Kawan's gone well when he wasn't answering his mother's calls. 178 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Because the mother was supposed to pick him up to 179 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: get a haircut that weekend. I don't know if that 180 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: was her weekend with Kawan or they were just supposed 181 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: to do some activities together. But when he didn't answer 182 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the phone, she asked the father to go to his room. 183 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: When the father went to the room, they realized that 184 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Kawan was not there and he was a real homebody. Guys, 185 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: this teen boy goes missing. The parents, I have no 186 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: idea where he is, so Ray Kaputo. They call early 187 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: evening and by the time they realize he's missing, say 188 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: around seven o'clock, they do a search. Then they call 189 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: police around eight pm. And is that correct? Ron Hilly, 190 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: junior lawyer joining us out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Is 191 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: that correct that At first the cops say, well, did 192 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: you go to a football game? Was this what a 193 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: Friday night? It was a Friday night, so yes, the 194 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: officers did say, tolicity fobly at a football game or 195 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: at a friend's house playing games. Not to worry. They 196 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: put his name in the missing Children's database or missing 197 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Person's database, and that's about it. And I have a 198 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: problem with that. Listen, if there's a one percent chance 199 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: to prevent what happened to Kawan Tarles, you take that 200 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: chance and put all efforts, put boots on the ground 201 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: to find this missing kids. You have to do it. 202 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: And I don't care if ninety nine percent of the 203 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: time you find him at a Friendtilesey goes home, gets this, 204 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: gets this banking whatever. You take that chance, and they 205 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: just failed. They failed miserably. I think this case is 206 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: a tale of two stories. One what happens to Bobby 207 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and two what could have been done to prevent what 208 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: happens to Bobby? And Ron Helly's junior or police saying 209 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: why they did not issue an amber alert immediately because 210 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: we don't know time of death, we don't know that. 211 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Is there a chance if they had issued an amber 212 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: alert and people really put his face on TV, put 213 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: it up on the interstate, put it you know where 214 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: there's flashing signs or I see them all the time. 215 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: If someone had seen him in the local area and 216 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: could have reported it, if they had known, and you 217 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: know what this makes me think of, hold your horses, 218 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: everybody jo Scott Morgan, we covered this together, as I 219 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: did with you, Doctor Bethany. The case of Cherish a Periwinkle, 220 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: a little girl that goes missing in Florida. She's at 221 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: a superstore like a Walmart or a Target superstore, and 222 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: the part actually gets her to leave the superstore. Her 223 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: mom doesn't realize that until she goes up front and 224 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Cherish is God can't find Cherish. The cops get there 225 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: and they give the mother Rain a really hard time 226 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: and think this is something to do with a custody dispute, 227 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: and hours past hours, and the whole time Cherish Pirowinkle 228 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: is getting tortured and raped by her killer. And then 229 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: only after they put it on the knees and the 230 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: potential vehicle on the knees is it found and putting 231 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: it on the knees changed everything. Remember that, Joe Scott, Yes, 232 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: I do. She was actually strangled to death, Nancy was 233 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: right around Christmas time, and it's it's a heartbreaking case. 234 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: And I hate to hear that name again because it's 235 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: it's it was so horrible in the context in a 236 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: timely fashion, instead of their default position, which is, well, 237 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's just another custody case mom and dad 238 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: aren't getting along or whatever, this little girl could have 239 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: been saved. And I think that that's a tragedy behind 240 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: this when police just go to this default position and 241 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: they hed a football game. So let me go back 242 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: to Ron and Haley Junior, the lawyer for the victim's family. 243 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: He practices outside of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Ron, When I 244 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: think about that that could his life have been saved 245 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: had an Amber alert been issued. I mean, you have 246 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: to look at the time of death and why is 247 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: that Because at the time he was reported missing, say 248 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: seven to eight pm, and not he's been gone since three. 249 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: He may have already been dead, but we don't know that. 250 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to what 251 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: police say about why they did not issue an Amber alert. Well, 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: there was no evidence of foul play whatsoever. There was 253 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: no eyewitnesses on an abduction or even a kidnapping, and 254 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: since it did not meet the criteria, we did not 255 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: feel that was the reason for an Amber alert. But 256 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: we did put him in ncise once again as a 257 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: missing person or missing slash runaway because I was told 258 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: that he was going to hide from the family every 259 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: now and again throughout the backyard some time. But that's 260 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: the reason why we didn't do amber Aler. We did 261 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: put him in ncise, we did call in the area, 262 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: none to hide from the family. That's the very first 263 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: I've heard that, Ron Haley Junior. No, I mean, that's 264 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: that's an excuse and absolutely ridiculous. Further, you don't even 265 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: have to do Amberler. In Louisiana. We have something that's 266 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: called a Level two advisor right where at least they 267 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: would notify all the local news outlets and they could 268 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: on their own decide to put this information out. What's 269 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: that is that at his memorial on November the fifth, 270 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: when the news stations came out to coverage, they didn't 271 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: even know that a kid was dead, let alone a 272 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: child went missing. They could have done more than the 273 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: bare minimum. Here's the criteria, Ron Helley. Law enforcement must 274 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: confirm an abduction has taken place. The child must be 275 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: at risk of serious injury or death. There must be 276 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: sufficient descriptive information of the child, the captor or the vehicle, 277 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: and a child has to be under seventeen. Just because 278 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: they saw him leave at three o'clock in the afternoon 279 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: willingly does not mean a kidnap did not happen when 280 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: he is not home by eight o'clock at night and 281 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: he's not answering his cell and that's totally out of 282 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: character to me. That screams kidnap. I mean, what do 283 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: you need a video of him kicking and screaming being 284 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: dragged off into a white man. Hey, here's an important distinction. 285 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: The police did not act us that video to after 286 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: Kawan was dead. Ah, so they had no idea even 287 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: that he had left willingly. Okay, that's a big problem. 288 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: A lot of this is going to center on time 289 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: of death, time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys were talking 290 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: about the disappearance and the death of a young boy 291 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: just turned fifteen, only way to one hundred and twelve pounds, 292 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: soaking wet, found dead face down in a field. We 293 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: are trying to determine what went wrong and the true 294 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: cod cause of death, not only the cod of Kawan 295 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Bobby Charles, but how that happened, How was he drowned? 296 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: He was found? Oh, why would he go out into 297 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: the middle of a field of sugarcane field and go 298 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: face down in the water and the water is only 299 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: about ankle high? Why why would that happen. Take a 300 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: listen to this. On November second, the fifteen year old's 301 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: body was found in a sugarcane filled in Laureville, thirty 302 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: minutes from his home. The coroner's office says the team 303 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: likely drowned and had no injuries before his death. They 304 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: also ruled that the wounds on his face happened after 305 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: his death and were likely caused by aquatic animals. But 306 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: according to the family's attorneys, the water in the sugar 307 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: cane field is very shallow. Those bodies of water barely 308 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: go up to your knees. And so this isn't that 309 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: Kawan trying to go for a swim. I want to 310 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: go to Ron Haley Junior, the lawyer for the victims family, 311 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: tell me about the discovery of Kaiwan's body. Well, that's 312 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: with frustrating to us. Listen, his body was discovered on 313 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: November third after they pained his cell phone sometime on 314 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: November the second. Had they pained his cell phone on 315 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: the thirtieth when he went missing. And for your audience listening, 316 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: you do not need a warrant to ping a cell phone. 317 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: That case laws is out there. You ping that cell phone, 318 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: you find him because a drone was able to locate 319 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: his body just hours after his cell phone was pained. 320 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: That's frustrating. So you're telling me the police could have 321 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: pained his phone immediately when he was reported missing. And 322 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think is a critical time, 323 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: Ron Haley Junior, and that is when his mother was 324 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: trying to call him and he wasn't picking up. He 325 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: was never known not to pick up when his parents called. 326 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: Right then he was in trouble by not picking up 327 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: when she called the dad and said, hey, where is he? 328 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: By then it was too late. Take a listen to 329 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: what police say in response. This is reported by kfl 330 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: y ten. We did not drop the ball. We did 331 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: everything within our powers to help this family. When Colon 332 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: Charles's mother called police at eight oh four in October thirtieth, 333 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: Bolton police say they immediately began their search for him, 334 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: started thinking, started talking, and started hitting the streets, beating 335 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: the streets because that's what I do. Initially, after searching 336 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: for Charles at local events, Bolton Police filed a missing 337 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: person's report at ten thirty four that night into a 338 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: national database for missing people. They did follow protocol. They 339 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: did everything by the book and take a listen to 340 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: more of that you were hearing. Is it real? Is 341 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: this really what happened? The police really think they went 342 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: by the book? Or is this what we call cya? 343 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut number nine. Kfly Why 344 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: says he was on vacation when Charles was reported missing, 345 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: but came home on November second to help with the investigation. 346 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: He says, Baldwin police officers spoke with people closest to 347 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: Charles and zug up surveillance footage to track his last movements, 348 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: and my officer stayed in touch with the family the 349 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: whole weekend. The father told me himself that my officer 350 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: stayed in touch with him the entire weekend trying to 351 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: locate his kid. Because we do care. I appreciate that 352 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: they care, but why not paying the phone? Take a 353 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: listen to Brett la Fazzo cut t kfy. Iberia Parish 354 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: officials say they were not aware of the team's disappearance 355 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: until November third. That's when Charles's family contacted the Iberia 356 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Parish Sheriff's office. Iberia Parish authorities found Charles's body in 357 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: Lauraville after pinging his cell phone The body was found 358 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: in a fields near the home of the family last 359 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: scene with Charles Baldwin. Police are now facing criticism from 360 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: Charles's family as well as on social media. Facebook and 361 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: social media has cost so much within my department, who 362 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: received threats every day, who received emails every day, and 363 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: some of the guys are wondering, are we going to 364 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: be okay? All right, they dropped the ball. They should 365 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: have pinged the phone immediately and put him out as 366 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: an Amber alert and gotten his face on local media. 367 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: It could have saved his life. But they're not the 368 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: ones that kill this young boy. So you got two 369 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: competing issues here, what happened to Kawan Bobby Charles and 370 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: the police dropping the ball. I want to circle back 371 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: to Ron Hilly Junior, the lawyer for the victim's family. 372 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate that the cops care and that they did 373 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: what they did do, but staying in touch with the family, well, 374 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate that that is not issuing an amber alert 375 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: and that is not pinging his phone. You're absolutely right, 376 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: and that's what really aggravates the legal team. That's what 377 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: really frustrates and aggravates the family that the Sheriff's office 378 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: state he should have been contacted immediately. What your audience 379 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: needs to know is that the Baldwin Police Department is 380 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: a very small police department. They do not have a 381 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: lot of officers, and so they should have immediately sought 382 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: the assistance of neighboring law enforcement agencies that have jurisdiction there. 383 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Baldwin is the city and Iberia Parish is the county, 384 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: so to speak for those who aren't familiar with our 385 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: parish county system in Louisiana, that that should have been 386 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: done immediately. And if that's cell phone is team, we 387 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: believe Bobby Charles would be alive. And so I get it. Yeah, 388 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: you care, but you need more than than caring. We 389 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: need boots on the ground. We needed this to be 390 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: taken seriously, and we feel that this matter wasn't taken seriously. 391 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: Now we have the issue with me. You know the reality, 392 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Ron Hanley Junior, words are cheap. I can tell anybody 393 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: all day long, I care, show me, show me you care. 394 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: Do what you're supposed to do. Take a listen to 395 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Jane Norman at A B. C. Nieves Kawan was a 396 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: good kid, a loving child. You know, I loved him 397 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: and he loved me. A mother mourning the loss of 398 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: her son and questioning whether fifteen year old Kwan Charles 399 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: was murdered. I cannot sleep at night like I want to. 400 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking about my son and trying to figure 401 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: out exactly how he died. The family says Kawan disappeared 402 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: and they reported him missing October thirtieth. Video from that 403 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: day shows him being picked up by a friend and 404 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: the friend's mother. His body was found November third in 405 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: a sugarcane field about twenty miles away, his face barely recognizable. 406 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: Roxanne Nelson believes police could have saved her son had 407 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: they acted faster, they could have done more. They didn't. 408 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: They didn't do what it was supposed to do. Had 409 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: they done what they were supposed to do, my son 410 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: would be alive today. You know another issue. I just 411 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: heard the Iberia parish official they were not aware Kawen 412 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: was missing until November three, Ron Haley, everybody's trying to 413 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: hide the ball and shift blame on each other, and 414 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: that's sad. In a situation like this, we need truth through, 415 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: we need accountability, and I share the frustration of the family. 416 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: I believe that as he was of a different color, 417 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: they would have cared more. We have FBI statistics that 418 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: prove that that black children make up fourteen percent of 419 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: the children population in this country, yet make up thirty 420 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: eight percent of missing children. Yet of those missing children, 421 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: only seven percent of cases evolving black kids get to 422 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: get the benefit of having an amber alert. Also, listen, 423 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: this is a practical question. Fancy ye have kids. If 424 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: one of your kids went with me and I didn't 425 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: let you know and he or she ended up like that, 426 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm in jail right now. Well, first of all, and 427 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: have you arrested? Second of all, I have you disbarred? 428 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: Then I'd burn your house down and blow up your car. 429 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: But that aside, I hear what you're saying. Try to 430 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: figure something out about the cod Ronald Haley Junior is 431 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: with me. He is a lawyer for the Charles family. 432 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Elwyn Lopez ABC seven. A preliminary 433 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: autopsy reports list of the team's cause of death as 434 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: quote likely drowning. The fifteen year old's cousin says Charles's 435 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: severely disfigured face tells a different story. The space tells 436 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: it all. On the left side of his face, there 437 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: is like a knot on the right side, there's like 438 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: a incision. The same corner's reports suggesting any injuries on 439 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: its face happens after his death and quote a likely 440 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: aquatic animal activity. Person that's a deceased can't talk, so 441 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: you don't know his side of the story. Justice fork 442 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: One in response to that preliminary autopsy or ortho, the 443 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: teen's family's under statement that the water where he was 444 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: found was ankle deep and that they believe he could 445 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: not have drowned without outside influences Crime stories with Nancy Grace, 446 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: what was the co d cause of death on this boy? 447 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: First of all too, Joseph's Goot Morgan, professor forensics, death investigator, 448 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: So much of this really depends on the time of 449 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: death and the cause of death. But I find it 450 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: very hard to believe that this teen boy goes out 451 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: into the middle of a sugarcane fill and throws himself down, 452 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: face down into ankle deep water and drowns. That did 453 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: not happen. No, No, it wouldn't happen. I think the 454 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: question that has to be asked is how do you 455 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: reconcile the fact that his lungs are in fact hyperinflated. 456 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Per the autopsy report. They are heavy and it's muddy water, 457 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: so he has obviously inhalated this muddy water, so he 458 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: was alive while he was faced down. In addition to that, 459 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: he's also got this muddy water contained in what's referred 460 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: to as the sphenoid sinuses, which is something in suspected drownings. 461 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: We open these in the head at autopsy and we 462 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: inspect these areas to see if there is in fact 463 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: water there, and there was. Now the question is how 464 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: does a seemingly healthy fifteen year old wind up in 465 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: a position where he's incapable of coming facilitating himself from 466 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: rising up out of the water, because you know, as 467 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: it's mentioned Nancy, it's only ankle deep. So my question 468 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: would be was he held down, was he pressed down? 469 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Was there something that was going on metabolically in his system? 470 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what his talks report is. I have 471 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: no idea, and so all this stuff needs to be 472 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: revealed so that we can get to the heart of 473 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: the matter. Well, I'm sure you recall the case of 474 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: Andrea Yates, the mother that murdered her children by drowning, 475 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: even the little baby. I believe the little baby girl's 476 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: name was Mary, had bruises around her face and neck, 477 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: as I recall where she tried to live, even an 478 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: infant tried to live. So wouldn't you expect to find 479 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan some type of bruising around Kawan Charles 480 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: face and neck. Well, yeah, particularly since let's keep in 481 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: mind he's in a prone position, which means face down, 482 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: so the bruising I would be looking forward would be safe, 483 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: for instance, on the backside of his neck, that is 484 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: your forcing him down. Now, I've seen a very crude 485 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: image that has been out on the net on the 486 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: net relative to this image that we have of him 487 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: in death, and being from South Louisiana myself and having 488 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: worked a number of these cases, the aquatic life that 489 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: they're referring to specifically as crayfish or crawfish as we say, 490 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: and I think that that's probably what is creating these 491 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: post mortem injuries. And I haven't seen all of the evidence, 492 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: but just based on this image that I'm seeing, it 493 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: would appear that these are consistent with post mortem injuries. However, 494 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: we still have to go back to the drowning. How 495 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: does a fifteen year old get into this position, and 496 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: that's the big question. I'm not aware and maybe counsel 497 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: has an answer to this. I don't know. Is he 498 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: physically impaired some way, as he had any kind of 499 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: health problems. I would as a medical legal death investigator, 500 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: I would want answer to those questions to Ron Haley 501 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: Junior answers health problems. In regards to Quan Charles, we 502 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: are anxiously waiting to Talk report to see if that 503 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: can give clue. I think that would be a big 504 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle as to how this possible going 505 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: to happen. If there was something in the Talk report, 506 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: then we want to know how how do you get there? Right? 507 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's, you know, with this adult in her 508 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: son twenty miles away from his family's house without permission. 509 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: How does this happen? If that's in fact the case. 510 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: I just don't understand why they didn't call the police 511 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: when he went missing. And I'm speaking of the urban 512 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: family because obviously at some point they knew he didn't 513 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: walk home. They don't they give a story that he 514 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: stated he was leaving and they say, well where are 515 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: you going? And they never get an answer, and that 516 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: he left on foot. That's the understanding I had. Of course, 517 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: he's twenty miles away from home. Why would he leave 518 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: on foot. It's ridiculous. I don't believe that's what happened. 519 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't believe them at one bit. Listen, just as 520 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: a as a parent. Again, I'm not even talking as 521 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: a lawyer. As a parent, if one of my kids 522 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: friends said, look, I'm out of here, I'm going, Hey, 523 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: where are you going, and you're not telling me you're 524 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: not leaving my house and I'm calling your mom and 525 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: get daddy, any normal person would do that, and so 526 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: their their story isn't cutting the muscle with me either. 527 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho Allens joining us from Beverly 528 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, we 529 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: are parsing the evidence fairly coolly, but you know, we're 530 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: talking about so many different aspects of the disappearance and 531 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: death of this teen boy. But for the family is 532 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: just one huge nightmare. Nancy. The worst kind of nightmare 533 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: is when you lose touch and contact with your child 534 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: and you have no idea what happened to them. As 535 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: I say so often on your show you know when 536 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: you have a child, When we have a child, our 537 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: primary feeling goal is to ensure the safety of that 538 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: child throughout the lifespan, and the idea that that child 539 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: would go missing and that you would have no idea 540 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: what would happen to them, Nancy, the family he was 541 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: with apparently was the family that he got the dog 542 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: my baby from, so there was this great familiarity with 543 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: the family. But when they say that he just took 544 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: off on foot, if they're twenty to thirty miles away 545 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: from his home residence, that makes no sense at all. 546 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: This reminds me of babysitting stories where somebody goes and 547 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: babysits a child and something terrible happens, and then they 548 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: make up some cockamam story or the child sell off 549 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: the bed, the child hit his head, and then you realize, 550 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: you learn afterwards, when you piece all the evidence together, 551 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: that something really terrible happened in that home. So I 552 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: would want to take a look at the home. I 553 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: would wouldn't take a look at the behavioral evidence. What 554 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: about this mom? How responsible was she was? She mature? 555 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: What would have motivated her to take this little boy 556 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: from his home without calling the parents. First, Kwan hid 557 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: in the backyard of his family home. Do you know 558 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: what that means? It means he's young, naive, and playful. 559 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: He was still at a developmental age where hiding behind 560 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: a bush was exciting to him. That's how vulnerable this 561 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: little boy was. You know, doctor Bethany, when you say 562 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: it like that and it amount breaks my heart to 563 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: Ron Hanley Junior, is it true? This family, the mother 564 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: and the son and whoever else lived there, has packed 565 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: up and moved. That's correct? Why, according to the sword 566 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: is on the ground. Uh, they allegedly got evicted. I 567 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: find it very convenient that they will move the week 568 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: of Kawan's death once it made public. But that's the 569 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: story they're sinking to. I want to talk about Ron 570 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: Haley Junior. The mother. When she saw Kawan's body, she 571 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: ran out of the examination room and the more screaming 572 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: because of the disfigurement to his face. Is that true, 573 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: Ron Haley Junior? Unfortunately, that is true. Is there going 574 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: to be an independent autopsy? Mister Haley. We did conduct 575 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: the independent autopsy. Those results were similar to that of 576 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: the Corners report. They did not they did not give 577 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: a cause of death. Though, and the one that we receiving, 578 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: and that's common in Johny cases, and when they are 579 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: the one doing the second autopsy, that a lot of 580 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: evidence potentially gets lost. The body is likely at least 581 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: wiped down or cleaned by the time it gets to 582 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: the morgue, and so a lot of the findings were inconclusive. 583 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime story, signing 584 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: off d my friend