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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. So, folks,

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Speaker 1: let's pause for shock in understanding that Donald Trump won

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Speaker 1: the New Hampshire primary. But the thing that folks are

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Speaker 1: not really saying is that it wasn't like a slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: It was fairly like measured in terms of going up

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Speaker 1: against Nicky Haley. Nicky Haley was able to bring in

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Speaker 1: I think forty five percent of the vote. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: brought in like fifty four percent of the vote. And

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Speaker 1: so she's going to continue on and said that this

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Speaker 1: is far from over and head to South Carolina, her

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Speaker 1: home state, which she's going to lose. But the fact

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Speaker 1: is is that you know, maybe she won't. I don't

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Speaker 1: fucking know. But this thing for me is that no

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Speaker 1: Republican is a good Republican. And this is what I

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Speaker 1: want folks to understand. There isn't a good Republican left.

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Speaker 1: Those people have either resigned, retired, lost their elections and

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Speaker 1: have gone off into the fog. Allah Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney,

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Speaker 1: who by the way, was not a good Republican. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that she disagreed with Donald Trump on was

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Speaker 1: the fact that he won the twenty twenty election, right

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Speaker 1: and that he caused an insurrection, But when it came

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Speaker 1: to voting and on issues, she was aligned ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of the time. Right. So when we are looking and

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Speaker 1: but Trump, no, because Project twenty twenty that is a

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Speaker 1: billion dollar backed project to have a Republican regime, not administration,

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Speaker 1: but a regime up and running on day one, to

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Speaker 1: wipe out career government employees from governmental agencies, to shut

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Speaker 1: down government agencies right, all in a way to hoard

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Speaker 1: will not have to deal with voters. And whether or

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Speaker 1: not these unelected people care or not doesn't matter. They're

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Speaker 1: not interested in trying to woo you. They're not interested

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Speaker 1: in trying to get your vote. They're interested in full

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Speaker 1: and absolute and complete power. So regardless of whether it

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump that is their next president or Nicki

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Speaker 1: of creating and solidifying a white supremacist agenda that is

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Speaker 1: back by pure and complete and unadulterated sickophens for Maga supremacy.

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Speaker 1: So for me, there isn't a conversation to be had. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe Nicki Haley has a fighting chance, because here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: what Nicki Haley are we getting? Are we getting the

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley who at one time talked about the experiences

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Speaker 1: of racism that her family had in South Carolina as

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Speaker 1: Indian Americans and Indian immigrants, or are we talking about

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Speaker 1: the Nikki Haley that decided to launch her campaign on

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Speaker 1: the backs of trans children that just want to play

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Speaker 1: no difference to me in terms of how these people

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Speaker 1: move because they're all moving in the same direction, which

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Speaker 1: is away from democracy. They have no interest in the constitution,

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Speaker 1: destruction of whatever values we have left and whatever rights

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Speaker 1: we have left. You know, I would be remiss, folks

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Speaker 1: if I did not bring up Senator Tim Scott, who

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Speaker 1: and he's been trending because many people are comparing him

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Speaker 1: to the character step and Fetch It Right, which was

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Speaker 1: a black stereotypical character that was created by white Hollywood

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Speaker 1: to me, being as how black people built this country

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Speaker 1: fucking way, Tim Scott, when you know, asked by Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, she appointed you. And like you know, she's

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Speaker 1: from your home state. You must really hate her in

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Speaker 1: order to support me and not support her. And he said, no,

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Speaker 1: I just love you like a fucking mindless dofist. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are lots of names that I can call him,

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Speaker 1: But that's the kind of black person that Republicans love,

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Speaker 1: exactly how Tim Scott fucking looked, and how Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: Thomas is getting paid for his foolishness and fuckery. What's

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Speaker 1: But this is what the Republican Party requires of black people,

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Speaker 1: which is what Donald Trump has done to every single

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Speaker 1: that Tim Scott, the vech Ramaswami, Ron DeSantis. Maybe that's

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Speaker 2: You know, I continue to be absolutely disgusted and annoyed

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Speaker 1: The rule of law are not on the line. You're

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Speaker 1: watching the same bullshit horse races that make us believe

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Speaker 1: But all they're doing, and all of their billion dollar

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Speaker 1: It's disgusting. And that's why I tell you to continue

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Speaker 1: to seek out other outlets, independent outlets, independent voices, global outlets,

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Speaker 1: live and in person February fifth at green Light Books

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Speaker 1: and this week we're like beginning our countdown. Jonathan February fifth,

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Speaker 3: I want people to understand how we got here, right?

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Speaker 3: In persons take everybody.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends, on woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.