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Speaker 1: Craft that's on the case. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: There has been a change that is flying under the radar,

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Speaker 1: because it will affect your favorite baseball team and your

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Speaker 1: all in game data and technology in the minor leagues,

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Speaker 1: just like they have done in the major leagues. This

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Speaker 1: article coming out from you Know Cyrus. We also hit

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Speaker 1: this topic on Baseball America Hot Sheet, which is on

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Speaker 1: the Baseball America YouTube channel. You can check that out

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Speaker 1: at some point. But beginning next season, MLB is going

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Speaker 1: Sure I clarify this doesn't have to do with sign

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Speaker 1: This has to do with what innovations come to our

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Speaker 1: sport and how teams can take advantage of that. This

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Speaker 1: often creates advantages for those small market teams who do

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Speaker 1: at that. Although an MLB spokesperson wrote in a statement

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Speaker 1: it is important that we provide a level playing field

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Speaker 3: Crafts on the case trash statement by that MLB official,

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Speaker 3: because that is not the genesis of this. If the

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Speaker 3: genesis of playing major league baseball, which is minor league

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Speaker 3: baseball coming up through the minor leagues, is to make

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Speaker 3: genesis of the reason for this is control. Major League

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Speaker 3: Baseball wants control of Gee. I wonder what players values are. Well,

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Speaker 3: somebody has kind of text, somebody has skin a text,

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Speaker 3: But if we can centralize it now, we can lock

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Speaker 3: it just like an insurance company says, ooh, you can

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Speaker 4: No, they're going to hike your rates up unless you.

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Speaker 3: Unless you drive at the exact way that they're going

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Speaker 3: They're doing this to control the player, and you have

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Speaker 3: if a team knows every single day that you know,

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Speaker 3: your bat lags a little bit behind on this. Well,

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Speaker 5: We feel like we can maximize you as a player

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Speaker 5: Teams want to draft and develop the best guys. But

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Speaker 5: but they see something in it, much like Mike Soroka

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Speaker 4: And I just I hate everything about it.

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Speaker 3: I wish I would have said this first, because some

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Speaker 3: people don't listen to an entire entire segment. But if

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Speaker 3: you want to hear one thing, listen to this. KP

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Speaker 3: brought up the Dodgers, and people will be like, oh, great,

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Speaker 3: Dodgers are spending more than everybody else. Here is where

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Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Brewers, the Cleveland Guardians when I played for them,

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Speaker 3: the pirates. All these teams invested in tech that gave

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Speaker 3: the Brewers used it so.

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Speaker 4: Well a piece of tech.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you about one system that costs two hundred

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars that system paid for itself.

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Speaker 3: To me, for Major League Baseball to say we want

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Speaker 3: be down in Surprise, I'm sorry, in Goodyear, at their facility,

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Speaker 3: which one feeds him for a lifetime. That's where I

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Speaker 3: We'll see at fourth place in your division every single year.

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Speaker 1: On Baseball America, we talked about how this is very

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Speaker 2: Are we going to regulate air conditioning too? Like?

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Speaker 1: I mean, while we're at it, right, everybody should have

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Speaker 1: all times. Is just funny how we're pointing to something

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Speaker 1: the air conditioning joke. But it's not just that the

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Speaker 1: Rockies have been known for this for a long time. Shocker,

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Speaker 1: the Rockies have been in the Stone Age and now

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Speaker 3: I feel like without and I'm not you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: The issue is basically Baseball doesn't care because they know

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Speaker 1: You want your fellow citizens, friends, colleagues, et cetera, to

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Speaker 1: It eliminates jobs guaranteed. And if we had innovation, it

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it great to see you, and yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: You think the A's could and should do the rest

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to see you too.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a pretty similar list to last year.

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Speaker 7: You know, they beat pitching pitching and more pitching, but

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Speaker 6: I think that'd be a great fit.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, are there because all of these needs can be Yes,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to piggyback on some of those names, you just

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Speaker 5: mentioned someone who spent the last two years of his

442
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Speaker 5: career in the same division as the A's. I love

443
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Speaker 5: their young core players. I think they have potential to

444
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Speaker 5: build something really special there. When do you kind of

445
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Speaker 5: see their window of taking off? Is it going to

446
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Speaker 5: kind of lead into the new stadium? Is when they're

447
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Speaker 5: really going to kind of push all their chips in

448
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Speaker 5: the table, try to sign these guys up long enough

449
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Speaker 5: to make that transition to Las Vegas.

450
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, chips on the table is going to

451
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Speaker 7: be a good metaphor for them.

452
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Speaker 6: When they when they make that move.

453
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Speaker 7: But you know, I mean, I think they they have

454
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Speaker 7: built a nice lineup corps. I think Lawrence Butler as

455
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Speaker 7: well is a really important part of that whole mix.

456
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Speaker 7: Brent Brooker will be around. I think he's guy who's

457
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Speaker 7: you know, skill set, should age pretty well, and you

458
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Speaker 7: know as a leader, he's he's a really important part

459
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Speaker 7: of that mix. So the core of the lineup is

460
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Speaker 7: really there, but the pitching still remains a huge kind

461
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Speaker 7: of mess in a huge puzzle. At the moment, they

462
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Speaker 7: hadn't really invested a lot in draft capital on pitching

463
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Speaker 7: in the upper round in in the last you know,

464
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Speaker 7: decade or so really, and their pitching had really fallen

465
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Speaker 7: off developmental wise. But the last couple of years they've

466
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Speaker 7: they've invested a little bit more. I think they're seeing

467
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Speaker 7: more returns there. You saw Luis Morales come up and

468
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Speaker 7: pitch pretty well. There's some other guys that might factor

469
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Speaker 7: in there. The guys they acquired from the Padres in

470
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Speaker 7: the Mason Miller deal, you know, could factor in as

471
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Speaker 7: well there too, But it's just going to be hard

472
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Speaker 7: to know how to transition guys pitching in a difficult

473
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Speaker 7: environment in Triple A in Las Vegas, then coming up

474
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Speaker 7: to Sacramento Sacramento and pitching in another difficult environment. It's

475
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Speaker 7: almost similar to the Rockies, I think in a lot

476
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Speaker 7: of ways. And until they figure out that pitching part,

477
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Speaker 7: it's a little hard to know exactly when it's all

478
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Speaker 7: going to come together, because you know, at the moment,

479
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Speaker 7: I was kind of thinking, you know, it's a very

480
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Speaker 7: similar team to like those mid nineties A's teams that

481
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Speaker 7: was post Dynasty, where they had McGuire and Steinbach and

482
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Speaker 7: all those big sluggers, and they were kind of fun

483
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Speaker 7: to watch, but they were just like six runs given

484
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Speaker 7: up every game, and you know, it's hard to build

485
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Speaker 7: a sustainable winning pattern. And the only way they were

486
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Speaker 7: able to turn that corner is when Tim Hudson, Mark

487
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 7: Mulder and Barry Zito kind of came on the scene

488
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Speaker 7: and gave them a pitching identity. So once they have

489
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Speaker 7: a pitching identity, I think you'll see it come together

490
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Speaker 7: pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: I got to hit the extensions because obviously low Dog's

492
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Speaker 3: in Rookers In. Who of those guys that you mentioned

493
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Speaker 3: are the guys that really kind of fit that like window,

494
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Speaker 3: It has to be obviously a really good player. Obviously,

495
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Speaker 3: it can't be too expensive. Is Nick Kurt's pas is?

496
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Speaker 3: You know, is there somebody that fits right into that

497
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Speaker 3: window that says, okay, you know what with rope, with

498
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Speaker 3: law Dog, We're going to push these guys as our

499
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Speaker 3: billboards in the four years from now when we move

500
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Speaker 3: into Las Vegas.

501
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think Nick Kurtz is probably the

502
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Speaker 7: number one guy there. I think what he does is

503
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Speaker 7: what has always fit what they like. You know, he's patient,

504
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 7: he really understands what he wants to do when he's

505
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Speaker 7: at the plate. I think he did some things that

506
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Speaker 7: you know, hint towards even getting better as a hitter

507
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Speaker 7: and as a defender. I don't think he showed how

508
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Speaker 7: good of a defender he can be at all last year,

509
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Speaker 7: but you saw it in the college ranks that he's

510
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Speaker 7: actually a pretty good defensive first baseman, you know. And

511
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Speaker 7: Matt Olsen was a guy they should have built around

512
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Speaker 7: right like this, That was a guy that if you

513
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Speaker 7: had a different ownership situation, he'd still be with the

514
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Speaker 7: A's and kind of being their centerpiece. And I think,

515
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Speaker 7: you know, Kurtz has a lot of similar characteristics to

516
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Speaker 7: Matt Olsen doesn't have the durability yet, but I think,

517
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Speaker 7: you know, hopefully for him, we'll get there.

518
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Speaker 6: But he he's definitely one of those guys.

519
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 7: They absolutely love Shalle Angeliers. It's tough to build around

520
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Speaker 7: a catcher, and especially ketcher who plays as much as

521
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Speaker 7: Shaye does, but you know his leadership and and his

522
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 7: you know, ability to hit well above what you know

523
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Speaker 7: a catcher. I mean, if you cal Rally's not in

524
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 7: the division, you're talking a lot more about Shallee Engeliers.

525
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Speaker 7: It's the best hitting catcher in the als.

526
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Speaker 6: So though you know, I.

527
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Speaker 7: Could see something getting done there, it's just tougher with

528
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Speaker 7: a catcher to sort of.

529
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Speaker 6: Project what what that would be.

530
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Speaker 7: And then so some sort of an interesting one because

531
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Speaker 7: you know the fact that he was so willing to

532
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Speaker 7: move positions and he you know, he did a really

533
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Speaker 7: good job with it. I think showed a lot about him,

534
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Speaker 7: you know, as as a person and what he was

535
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Speaker 7: willing to do for the team there. And you know,

536
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Speaker 7: obviously as a hitter he brings a lot to the

537
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Speaker 7: lineup as well.

538
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Speaker 3: Now that was that was honestly who I was gonna

539
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Speaker 3: ask about Shye Langeliers.

540
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Speaker 4: Why is it tough to build around a catcher.

541
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Speaker 3: How wrong Salvador Perez, Will Smith, J Muto in Philadelphia?

542
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: Like teams, that's what teams do, They build around a catcher.

543
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Speaker 3: Why would the A's be reticent to do that? Like

544
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Speaker 3: are they afraid of injury? Like this is one of

545
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Speaker 3: the I think he's right outside of top five in

546
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Speaker 3: the league. But I think he has the ability because

547
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Speaker 3: he throws, he blocks, it's receiving, could you know, to

548
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: get him to that consistent all star elite status? But

549
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Speaker 3: to me, that's the guy because you need a catcher.

550
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Speaker 3: Every team needs a catcher. That's why there's none on

551
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Speaker 3: the free agent market.

552
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think the one

553
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Speaker 7: concern is you look at the guy that he replaced

554
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Speaker 7: in Sean Murphy, and how quickly playing as many games

555
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 7: as he played, has accumulated injuries there, and so maybe

556
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Speaker 7: there's some sense of risk. There's also like Shay's a

557
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 7: lot closer into free agency and if there's another place

558
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Speaker 7: he'd want to go, it may be harder to convince

559
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Speaker 7: him to sign too. I think that that factors him.

560
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Speaker 7: And you're looking at a guy like Kurtz who's got

561
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Speaker 7: you know, five more years, six more years with the organization.

562
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Speaker 7: If he doesn't sign an extension, no matter what, it's

563
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 7: a lot easier, I think, to go in there and say, hey,

564
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Speaker 7: let's sell you on our future here.

565
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 6: Because you're here.

566
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 7: You're here regardless, so you know that's it. But as

567
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 7: I say, I mean, you cannot find anyone in that

568
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 7: organization that doesn't think the world of shayl Angeliers. So

569
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Speaker 7: it wouldn't shock me if he was a guy that

570
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Speaker 7: they that they were able.

571
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Speaker 6: To come to terms with.

572
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Speaker 7: But I think that the position and also just how

573
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Speaker 7: close he is to free agency, you know, would be

574
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Speaker 7: the two factors that maybe would make it a little

575
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Speaker 7: less likely.

576
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Speaker 1: Hey, this team finished pretty well down the stretch. They

577
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: had just a garbage month and change where it was

578
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: almost incredible how everything was going wrong for them, And

579
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: of course the pitching was in shambles during that time period.

580
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: Happens to go down during this early part of.

581
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: The season, Melissa, so it knocks out the care and

582
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: the fight for fans to pay attention to for the

583
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Speaker 1: rest of the way. Anyway, my question is how far

584
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Speaker 1: away do you think they are from playoff contention?

585
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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like they're.

586
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: Going to do major moves this offseason, but can they

587
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: compete for a wildcard spot? If we wipe away that

588
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: one month, which you absolutely cannot do, they would have

589
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Speaker 1: been in the mix.

590
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, I hate to sound like a broken record.

591
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 7: I think it comes down to pitching. And it's always

592
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 7: come down to pitching.

593
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Speaker 2: You know.

594
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 7: With the A's traditionally the hittings, they are to be

595
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 7: a wildcard team. You know, it's like it can compete

596
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 7: with the Cincinnati Reds type lineup with you know, some

597
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 7: of those guys, those those teams that you see get

598
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Speaker 7: that last wildcard spot. I think the lineup is in

599
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 7: good enough shape to get there because I think a

600
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 7: lot of those younger guys are only going to get better.

601
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Speaker 7: But you can't have pitching as volatile as they had

602
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 7: last year, and and like you said, everything sort of

603
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 7: fell apart all at once and snowballed, and you know,

604
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 7: maybe they learned from that and maybe that doesn't happen

605
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 7: this year. But I think that's what tends to happen

606
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 7: when you don't have a lot of veteran anchors and

607
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 7: either in a rotation or a bullpen. Is that just

608
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 7: things tend to snowball, and so avoiding the snowball is

609
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 7: probably you know, where they would have to get to

610
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 7: to get to that, and they just haven't been able

611
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 7: to find that consistency yet. You know that said, I mean,

612
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 7: for all of Savorino's complaints, he now knows what he's

613
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 7: dealing with when he gets to the ballpark. Maybe his

614
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 7: you know, e Ra drops a run or two at

615
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 7: home this year, and he pitches just as well as

616
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 7: he did on the road, and that makes a difference.

617
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 7: You know, down the bullpen showed a lot after Mason

618
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 7: Miller was traded and that they actually were pretty good

619
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Speaker 7: as a unit. There's a lot of guys that can

620
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 7: pitch a lot of different roles there. I know, Marcotte

621
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 7: was quite you know, high in his praise of Hogan

622
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 7: Harris and how tough he was at the end of

623
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 7: ball games, and I think that sort of surprised him

624
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 7: a little bit. So they did have a chance to

625
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 7: learn a lot about these guys. But you know, and

626
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 7: and frankly, the way that the wildcard setup is in

627
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 7: baseball now, teams can surprise. So I'm not going to

628
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 7: say that they can't compete even this year, but you'd

629
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 7: like to see a more stable picture for the pitching

630
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 7: to you know, really look at them as any kind

631
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Speaker 7: of a contender.

632
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Speaker 5: At this point, I want to get your sense from

633
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: what you've heard from either home players or visiting players

634
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 5: about playing in Sacramento, because as someone that went there,

635
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 5: no offense to the coliseum. I know it had nostalgia,

636
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: but that plays wasn't very good. It was kind of

637
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 5: a dump. The situation with a batting cage way on

638
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: center field was kind of a makeshift cage for the

639
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: visiting players. I actually preferred Sacramento better. The hotel was better,

640
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: the city of Sacramento was better, the food was better.

641
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 5: As a visiting player in Sacramento, I thought the setup

642
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 5: they created for the players as a visiting team was

643
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: better than the coliseum. Are you hearing the same similar things?

644
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 5: And what about the home players because I never got

645
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: to experience the home side in Oakland?

646
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I haven't heard much from the visiting players.

647
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 7: I think I think it was mixed for the home players.

648
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 7: I think in some sense it helped the team kind

649
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 7: of coalesce together. You know, it's a pretty tight group

650
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 7: because you know, they're all sort of in this together.

651
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 7: It's a very unusual situation. I don't think it feels

652
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 7: like a big league ballpark. And I think if you're

653
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 7: especially a younger player, and I think you heard Lawrence

654
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 7: Butler kind of talk about this a little bit, you know,

655
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 7: it's hard to like, you work your way up to

656
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 7: the big leagues and this is your home park and

657
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 7: it's it's not it's a Triple A stadium. So there's

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Speaker 7: only so much you can do to make it not

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Speaker 7: seem like a Triple A stadium. I think, you know,

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Speaker 7: maybe coming in as a visiting player, that doesn't bother

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Speaker 7: you as much because you end up leaving right away

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Speaker 7: and going back to your home park. But you know,

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Speaker 7: there is something to be said for the amenities that

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Speaker 7: any home park in a major league stadium has, you

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Speaker 7: know versus Triple A. You know, and attendance wasn't quite

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Speaker 7: I think what they had anticipated it was going to be,

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Speaker 7: you know, that said it. I don't think it was

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Speaker 7: like a disaster for the home team at all, you know,

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Speaker 7: I think the frustrations that players had were what they

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Speaker 7: expected them to have.

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Speaker 6: And obviously, you know, there is a nice.

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Speaker 7: Area there around the ballpark that they can go to so,

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Speaker 7: but I don't think anyone would sign up for that

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Speaker 7: long term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why to me, try and swing trades.

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Speaker 1: You try and spend the money you have on extensions

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Speaker 1: while it's a tough recruiting case for another couple of years,

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Speaker 1: rather than overspend on a player who gets disgruntled and

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Speaker 1: then he's overpaid so it's tougher to move him. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I can go all day, as you know, Melissa, great

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Thank you for stopping by, appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. Guys,