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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is running out of money, CHaGS.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanzas and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: Rom Felled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What's up, boys, Hey, Dan, it's happening. Good to be

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Speaker 1: back with you, the boss back in the big chair.

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Speaker 1: You guys did a great job though on the on

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Speaker 1: the show, I listened to it. I was stunned that

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Speaker 1: you listen to it. I listened to him. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not proud of this, but I think

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Speaker 1: it was the first first episode I listened to since

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Speaker 1: last offseason, which is a while I know Mark likes,

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Speaker 1: Mark likes to re listen to it kind of creeps

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Speaker 1: me out to re listen to AM. I in a

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Speaker 1: certain mood, I will re listen to them, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: late at night, and they're they're quite I just get

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Speaker 1: annoyed by myself. And then I also think, like, there's

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Speaker 1: to other podcasts or read or something else. I was

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Speaker 1: already in that room and had these milential stations. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little disappointed because that's an opportunity for you to

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Speaker 1: listen for the first time to my jokes that you

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Speaker 1: trample over during Oh I used I will re listen

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Speaker 1: to the show on occasion as a method of taking

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Speaker 1: self notes about my own performance or whether to judge

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Speaker 1: each of you guys for various things, or or or

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Speaker 1: raise you internally. Uh. The Irishman, of course, as we

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Speaker 1: as certainly not externally Irish, has a Irish has a

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Speaker 1: good chance of getting up on Mount Rushmore as a producer.

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Speaker 1: As we know, there's one vacant slot. Pick up the chisels.

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Speaker 1: That's his theme music. Apparently he's really looking to get

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Speaker 1: out there. It's breaking news. I've never heard that before.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time you are breaking news. What you

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Speaker 1: said it was breaking news. They have a good shot

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Speaker 1: bar for breaking news. Yeah, I didn't think that was

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Speaker 1: That was anecdotal, like, well, this is a blind spot

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Speaker 1: for me. Anyways, I'm not proud of it. I do

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Speaker 1: think you can get probably better at your job by

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Speaker 1: listening to it. But it was an informative show. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot of It was the debut of the

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Speaker 1: debut of Johnny Chuckles, which was, Hey, over here, I'll

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Speaker 1: make you bellies heart, make you feel your sides are

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Speaker 1: Harry concerning Dan for Football Talk, just wrote a post

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Speaker 1: on Brandon breaking news and you Greg, we were curious

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, of course, um Mark Apple Polisher Sessler. He

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Speaker 1: What was terrific. It was terrific to have a surrogate

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Speaker 1: here representing my interest. I didn't even need to hold

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Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt. I liked where you're going

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Speaker 1: the idea that these two are calling me an apple polisher,

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Speaker 1: it's simply because they were subjects in the report, continued Greg. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's true, you did although you did say you did

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Speaker 1: when discussing Dan. No, I mean, listen, was it the

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Speaker 1: I wasn't going to stand. I'm just aiming to strike

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Speaker 1: of was. No, not at all very equal hiring practices

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Speaker 1: right uh today's show. So yeah, the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: we did uh fearless predictions that we may live to regret.

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Speaker 1: Greg on his predictions. So we'll get to that a

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Speaker 1: but only in O T A S or minicamps does

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Speaker 1: that term you get thrown around, and it's always some

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Speaker 1: guy that that kind of stage. I'm sure you'll see

427
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Speaker 1: it with Dori Lee Green Beckham in a week or two, right,

428
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Speaker 1: and it's I'm light years ahead. Right, He's not just

429
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Speaker 1: better at route running, he has expanded the space time

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Speaker 1: continuum and he's further ahead of the human you know, race,

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Speaker 1: than the rest of us. Isn't it maybe kind of

432
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Speaker 1: a shot at where he was last year, which is

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Speaker 1: probably significantly behind other rookies. I don't remember Riverboat Ron

434
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Speaker 1: saying he's light years behind everyone else. Well, the way

435
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Speaker 1: thing about wide receivers, it is definitely the term light

436
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Speaker 1: years is up there with let's open the kimono above

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Speaker 1: treat what is it above the tree tops all this

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Speaker 1: other so let's let's open the way. Well we have

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Speaker 1: we have our own Well, no, in these NFL media,

440
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: In this job, you have to go to these meetings

441
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Speaker 1: and some of these corporate types, you know, they're working

442
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Speaker 1: off a different dictionary and they'll drop a term here

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Speaker 1: there where you just you're left wondering what is happening

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Speaker 1: to the human language and open. Let's open the kimono

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00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: is one of these let's be real honest about whatever

446
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: topic we're about to discuss. Hey, guys, let's open the kimono.

447
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: It's like referencing, like I'm going to show you my

448
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: date right, well, are you wearing a kimono? Let it's

449
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: a terrible term. I don't. I didn't, I didn't cook

450
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Speaker 1: it up. Is it a class your way than saying

451
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: let's pull our pants down? I think it's a way

452
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Speaker 1: of saying, hey, guys, can we cut the b s

453
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Speaker 1: and be honest. I think it had a few drinks

454
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Speaker 1: or something and was stumbling around, you know, Japan town

455
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Speaker 1: or something. Now that is my fire hose of data

456
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Speaker 1: or this snack able content. Let's keep it above the

457
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Speaker 1: tree tops, keeping the tree tops. I will say one

458
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Speaker 1: thing though, And you mentioned wide receivers. I mean a

459
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Speaker 1: lot of big name wide receivers from year one to

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Speaker 1: year two make the jump. I looked this up. Dez

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Speaker 1: Bryant year one, five hundred sixty one yards, big jump

462
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Speaker 1: year two, Fitzgerald seven as a rookie, that was better

463
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Speaker 1: than most. Brandon Marshall went from three hundred nine yards

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Speaker 1: to hundred I mean it's along with tight end, that

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Speaker 1: is one position where you see growth in the second season. True.

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Speaker 1: Al right, guys, let's move on to some odds and ends.

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Speaker 1: Odds in ends, odds ends. Everybody loves some odds and

468
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Speaker 1: ends everybody. Ruben Randall UH started sixteen games last season,

469
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Speaker 1: had about eight hundred receiving yards eight touchdowns. Now he's

470
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Speaker 1: got a fresh start with the Eagles after an up

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Speaker 1: and down row with the Giants. Some talk that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the number one role on the outside of

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Speaker 1: the formation, UH under Doug Peterson, with Jordan's Matthews seemingly

474
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Speaker 1: destined to remain in the slot. Greg's that surprise you?

475
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: It does well. They move Matthews outside for the start

476
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Speaker 1: of OTIS and this is where you know, we we

477
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Speaker 1: made fun of that nothing can come out of otis

478
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Speaker 1: some little nuggets. This is a good example that it

479
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Speaker 1: sounded like they put Matthews on the outside and Doug Peterson,

480
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Speaker 1: the coach, basically said, look, he's better inside. We we've

481
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Speaker 1: tried him out there, and then he went out of

482
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Speaker 1: his way to really talk up Randall as someone that

483
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Speaker 1: surprised him and who knows, We'll see what happens, but

484
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Speaker 1: he does have more production than anyone else in that

485
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Speaker 1: wide receiver mix, including Huff and Nelson, Agila or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think he's starting for your Eagles, whether you like

487
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Speaker 1: it or not. Elsewhere, see how long that lasts elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Timmy Journ again, the Ravens defensive tackle uh says that

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Speaker 1: he'll be uh, he'll be a bigger person uh than

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Speaker 1: Warren Sapp after and you know, Warren come back to us, buddy.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens tweeted out Timmy Journ again has changed his

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Speaker 1: number to ninety nine as a tribute to Warren Sapp,

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Speaker 1: to which Warren Sapp replied at Ravens, how do I

494
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Speaker 1: stop this? And then Journ again, who had a relationship

495
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Speaker 1: with SAP dating back to when he was drafted in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, he slid out of the first

497
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Speaker 1: round because of a report of a diluted drug test. Sap,

498
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Speaker 1: who of course famously slid down the first round in

499
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Speaker 1: because of reports of a failed drug test or drug tests,

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Speaker 1: reached out to Journ again. They talked a little bit

501
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Speaker 1: and maybe texted, but Warren Sapp was upset that Timmy

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Speaker 1: Journegan did not reach out to him and contact him

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Speaker 1: with this decision to change from tone to which I say,

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00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: that's some exhausting Warren Sapp behavior right there. Come on,

505
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Speaker 1: was the perfect word for it in your post. Exhausting.

506
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Speaker 1: I mean, if we're going to talk about current players

507
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Speaker 1: not wanting, they shouldn't open their mouths about their personal goals.

508
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Speaker 1: This is one tweet that Warren Sapp would have done

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Speaker 1: himself a favor by not sending it was you're a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. It's just ridiculous, Like I mean, the

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Speaker 1: way this was someone who was your friend, who he's

512
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Speaker 1: trying to honor you, and this is how you respond

513
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Speaker 1: if he was a friend. But he at least was

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Speaker 1: someone that they were on good terms with each other,

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00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: there was contact. I don't know, I don't know. It

516
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Speaker 1: just seems like a kind of wild shot in the dark.

517
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what's going on with Warren Sappy.

518
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Speaker 1: He got let go from NFL Network and I don't

519
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Speaker 1: know if he has a job right now, But he

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Speaker 1: has to have something better to do than to pick

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Speaker 1: on some guy that only viewed him as a role model.

522
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: Gargamel level behavior out of Warren Staff. Maybe he doesn't

523
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: have something better to do. Maybe that's the biggest problem here.

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Speaker 1: He's bored. Just for the record, Warren, this is Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosen thought. I didn't say anything during this segment, and

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Speaker 1: that's out. That's odds and Ends. Sing it West. That

527
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: is my favorite two seconds of this entire podcast. You

528
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: gotta keep going with Greg immediately buried his head in

529
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Speaker 1: his hand. Greg, you shook his confidence. I'm the worst.

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Speaker 1: Can we do that a lot? I do things like

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Speaker 1: out a lot. I ever told you about when I

532
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: went out for choir practice in fifth grade? Oh no,

533
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: what happened the choir? The choir guy, the guy running

534
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: the show made me stay after class and put my

535
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: ear on the piano because he said, your tone depth, son.

536
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Speaker 1: It is one of my favorite things is to ask

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Speaker 1: West to sing, where did you go to? Like a

538
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: high school? They hit you with a ruler after what's

539
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: going on? Just putting my ear on the piano. It

540
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: was a good Catholic boy in Cincinnati. We weren't whimps. Greg,

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Speaker 1: come on, all right? That was odds and Ends. And

542
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: before we get Ross Tucker in here with Greg, we

543
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: did want to hear I'm always interested in the boss's

544
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 1: takes on the Ball World. So I was I was

545
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: curious what fearless prediction you may live to regret on

546
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: the season. No. I thought you guys did a great

547
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Speaker 1: job with the fearless fan fiction that you hope happens

548
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: in two thousands year two thousand sixty and Mark Mark

549
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: for the fifth grade year, you know, believing too much

550
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Speaker 1: in the Browns and Damn for the fifth great year,

551
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: hoping that Tom Brady falls apart fearless fan fiction. Uh,

552
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that the Super Bowl defending champion

553
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos will not make the playoffs in two thousand

554
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: and sixteen, that their fall fall will be stupid, will

555
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: remind you a little bit of that Ravens team who

556
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: also replaced their top two quarterbacks after going to the

557
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They don't make it. The road team, the

558
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: team I don't think they'll be as bad as that

559
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: really untested rookie and late period Mark Sanchez won't make

560
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's really fearless. They do have the great

561
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Speaker 1: the best defense that we've seen in a long time,

562
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: and they did have just about the worst quarterback play

563
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Speaker 1: uh you could imagine last year, and they want to

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Speaker 1: superl I kind of came out against yourself. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that's my argument that it's I have to

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Speaker 1: admit I stepped into the studio today and my my

567
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: plan was to go Broncos and Panthers. Don't make that fearless.

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00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what about Carol but that, But

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. You can't you can't force things

570
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Speaker 1: you truly don't believe. So I truly believe that the

571
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Broncos will not make the playoffs. I think that's somewhat bold.

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Speaker 1: I also wanted I wanted to be something that when

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Speaker 1: we do our predictions in September, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: back away from I'm gonna you know, I'll stick with

575
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: that that they're out, they're gonna be an eight team.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that Tom Brady will be so just

577
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: just really hang those onions. Well, you should only say

578
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: things if you believe it with my Mary disagree on

579
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: on podcast. If you're saying something was with what I

580
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: said was that I thought he would take a step

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Speaker 1: back and kind of be like a top fifteen guy,

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Speaker 1: not the Peyton Manning fall off the cliff. No, I

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00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: get that is that bold? I would say so considering

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Speaker 1: he's playing, he's played better than ever his last two seasons.

585
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with my Browns. I'll tell you last year,

586
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: around this time, I altered one of these like clickbait articles.

587
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: It was somewhat ordered on Connor and I to do

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00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: five teams that new teams will make the playoffs, fives

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: that won't. I picked the Broncos to not make. It

590
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: heard probably from over the course of the season, six

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00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: or seven thousand people. So you're gonna get on some

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: radars here, maybe you can block some more people after here. Absolutely,

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00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: that's right. We did some research. Well, uh, some clown

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00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: up in the Bay Area got like a think piece

595
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: written about him, um over how many people he blocks

596
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: or who's a reporter up there? And it was he

597
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: blocks like over six thousand people, And I was like,

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00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: forget about that. We he doesn't deserve a thing. I

599
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: don't even know the backstory. I don't know who was.

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00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: It was Tim Kawakami. Oh so Tim Kawakami got a

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00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: feature written on him about how he was the King

602
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: of the Blocks because he blocks everyone on Twitter. And

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00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: I was like, we got the kembe Matumbo over here

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00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: at NFL media and Chris Westley, where is his feature piece?

605
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I went to check how many blocks I had in Twitter,

606
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: the app that you used. Told me that was dysfunctional

607
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: because I had blocked too many people that couldn't count.

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00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and then we all check. So West West

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Speaker 1: was literally incalculable. But you did check a few years

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Speaker 1: ago and you were I was over two thousand a

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Speaker 1: few years ago, so I imagine it has to be

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Speaker 1: in the sixty seven thousand ranges. Mine was a like

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Speaker 1: a thirty seven. Mark, yours was even lower than that.

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Speaker 1: It was four. But I don't use that. I'll mute people.

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Speaker 1: I don't block. You only had like ten mutes though

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Speaker 1: you're a forgiving guy. No nothing, Mark, He's a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Mark has always been a nice guy. And Greg Conrad

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty or so. I had six fifty.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty nice. Gregg's really been coming on lately. I've

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Speaker 1: been proud of him blocking Mind silent No and Mind's

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Speaker 1: I just you know something I don't like, like you

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Speaker 1: hiss at. Yeah, mine is like I don't need you

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Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, West West. If you are a

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Speaker 1: fan of the Seahawks, even if you're one of his

625
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: best friends will block you. If your Seahawks are related,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a difference between a twelve and a

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00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan. Twelves all get blocked. What if you had

628
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Speaker 1: to in a battle Royale, face all the people that

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Speaker 1: you would blocked. Breaking on alright, folks, you know we

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Speaker 1: don't usually have people in the studio. They're like outsiders.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to, you know, stay the high mentality, but

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Speaker 1: are welcoming way to interest. Sometimes sometimes you make exceptions.

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Speaker 1: And this this man right now to my left, former

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Speaker 1: NFL player now NBC Sports Network. Listen to this guy's resume,

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Speaker 1: Serious x M, NFL Radio, Sports on Earth, and of

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Speaker 1: course the Ross Tucker Football podcast at Russ Tucker NFL.

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Speaker 1: It is Ross Tucker. Men, I lose six hours out

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Speaker 1: here just to get that intro from hands were six

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Speaker 1: hours and I love that he said, I'm to his

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Speaker 1: left for those people watching at home. Yeah, we like

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Speaker 1: to give people an idea of like the in the

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Speaker 1: radio they say left or right on your radio dial.

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Speaker 1: I never understood that one either. The one thing I've

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Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you, guys usually gonna take over

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Speaker 1: real quick. Go ahead, So I've listened several times. What

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Speaker 1: is the hero's thing? Why are you guys all heroes?

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Speaker 1: What's the room full of heroes? Where's that come from?

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Speaker 1: Basically just because we claim to, isn't it obvious? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're here now you're seeing look at the man that

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Speaker 1: it's it's called. I would call it absurdist humor, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean out of us. I mean there's no war

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Speaker 1: veterans in here. There's not there's maybe a level of cowardice.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was a joke on some level. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know what was like from a tree once in

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Speaker 1: the strawberry truck. So Ross is here. Ross, like I said,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of stuff going on. But he's

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Speaker 1: also the reason why and one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: you should listen to and watch Ross is because it

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Speaker 1: comes from a place of experience and off former offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman played seven years in the NFL, and and Mark,

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Speaker 1: I know you did a little research on the old

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Speaker 1: tuck bomb before we got onto Yeah, well, I you know,

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Speaker 1: my I love coaches. I think that that's it's a

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Speaker 1: fast any profession. And I just was circling through, uh,

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Speaker 1: some names that you've been tied to during your career,

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Speaker 1: and I I'm kind of fascinated. We got Marty Schottenheimer,

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson, Steve Spurrier, Dave Campo should have put him

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Speaker 1: at the top of the list. Bruce Coslet, Mike Zimmer,

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Speaker 1: Greg Williams, Mike Malarkey, Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels, and Matt Patricia.

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Speaker 1: I believe was a position coach for you. Yeah. He

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Speaker 1: was actually the assistant offensive line coach when I was

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Speaker 1: an officers line with the Patriots. Of these guys, I mean,

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Speaker 1: who do you like the league? Right? Well, that personally

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Speaker 1: or as a coach personally personally, so you know, it's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had nine different NFL head coaches. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: hard to do when you only play seven years. But

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Speaker 1: even played with the winning team. Uh yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: to playoffs a couple of times. Belichick on this list

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Speaker 1: Patriots OH five, Redskins OH seven, which was an amazing

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Speaker 1: year because I was on I R. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I really said I played for that team. Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the year I played the most and

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Speaker 1: had the best year two thousand four Buffalo Bills nine

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Speaker 1: and seven. Look it up, winning team. Wait, that was

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Speaker 1: the team that lost to the Steelers playing there to

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Speaker 1: miss the playoffs, and I got bring that up, and

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Speaker 1: you know what's you know, you know what's crazy about that.

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Speaker 1: So you guys appreciate this, or maybe you won't, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell the story anyway. So we're nine and six.

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Speaker 1: We started to have owen. Four is Mike Malarkey's first year,

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Speaker 1: so that relates to football. Now, Titans fans, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about you blah blah blah blah Malarkey first year. Oh

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Speaker 1: and four. We go nine and two in the next eleven.

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Speaker 1: So we're nine and six. In the last game, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers have locked up the number one seed. So Roethlisburg,

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Speaker 1: I don't think plays at all. It was his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Maddox plays, and two guys made a bunch of

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Speaker 1: plays that we had never heard of. We were beating

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. Starters played like the first quarter, maybe the

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Speaker 1: first quarter and a half. I remember this game. Then

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Speaker 1: they started to replace him. I remember. I remember after

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Speaker 1: like our first drive, I hit Joey Porter after a

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Speaker 1: play or during a play, and I said, Joey, how

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Speaker 1: long are you guys playing today? And he looked at

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Speaker 1: me said long enough to kick your ass like that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a that's a pretty good answer. Twelve years

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Speaker 1: later he's still on the field like that off, but

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Speaker 1: enough of you. But we were beating their starters. Then

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Speaker 1: they put the backups in and uh, some guy we

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Speaker 1: had never really heard of had two sacks. Turned out

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Speaker 1: to be James Harrison. All remember thinking is that's the

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Speaker 1: strongest guy I've ever He's like five ten. You guys

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Speaker 1: ever met him in person? He is like five ten.

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Speaker 1: And I had seen on tape him kill Jason Whittle

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Speaker 1: on a counter and I said to the coach. The

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Speaker 1: coach was like, talk, you gotta kick him out on

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Speaker 1: this trap, and I said, I don't coach, you watching

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Speaker 1: this and trade tigues, like just let him who's our

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Speaker 1: starting center? He said, just let him cut his outside

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Speaker 1: like some kind of outside like a coach like, no,

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Speaker 1: you gotta kick him out. You gotta kick him out.

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Speaker 1: After the meeting, we walk out and Tray said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you try to kick him out, they're gonna put

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Speaker 1: you in one of them halo things in the hospital,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna come visit you, so I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget that. But anyway, in that game, we end up

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Speaker 1: Willie Parker and James Harrison went off. We lost, We

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Speaker 1: did not make the playoffs, but I had a really

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Speaker 1: sizeable playing time bonus, so I locked it in after

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Speaker 1: that game. I had the offensive snaps that year. If

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Speaker 1: we had won, we would have played at Indie on

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Speaker 1: the r c A Dome turf. And this is like

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Speaker 1: the player stuff that people don't think about, you know.

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Speaker 1: I figured out the math. I probably would have had

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Speaker 1: to play at least like twenty nine plays depending on

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Speaker 1: how many offensive snaps we had in that playoff game,

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Speaker 1: because playoff games count for the bonus. I had a

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Speaker 1: hernia disc in my back. I was taken a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, percocet, Laura tab flex role a shot toward

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Speaker 1: all my butt to play. That's like one of West's

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Speaker 1: weekends by the way. But anyway, it's crazy because after

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Speaker 1: that we lost because I never made the playoffs before,

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Speaker 1: and like you know, we worked so hard to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I was also so happy that we

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Speaker 1: lost because I had locked in a lot of money

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Speaker 1: and I didn't have to play for another week. Go

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Speaker 1: to the r c A Dome, which had the hardest

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Speaker 1: turf in the world, and like, if I get hurt

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Speaker 1: on the twentieth play, I'll just tell you, guys, you

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Speaker 1: can probably look it up if I heard the twentieth play. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I get the eighteen thousand dollars for the playoff game,

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Speaker 1: and I missed out on three and fifty playing times.

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Speaker 1: That's the things that like, Like I remember after the game,

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Speaker 1: I was engaged to my wife at the time and

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Speaker 1: um girls at the time, and my father in law

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Speaker 1: he knew I had locked into playing time mosts and

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Speaker 1: he knew the last five games I played with a

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Speaker 1: Hernie had disc in my back and like he hugged me.

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Speaker 1: It was like a moment. It was like it was

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Speaker 1: like it was like great coaching. Malarkey wait to wait

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Speaker 1: to sit on the bar man people bills fans still

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Speaker 1: bring up that kid, poor people. I still have no

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Speaker 1: the only team that hasn't had a playoff team in

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Speaker 1: the two thousands, which is outrageous. But to answer your question,

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Speaker 1: my favorite coach was Schottenheimer. The best coach is probably Belichick,

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Speaker 1: but not my favorite. Um see see that bad guy,

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Speaker 1: that's what he's saying he can't say it because he

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Speaker 1: respects somebody's saying it's a bad guy, Greg, deal with it,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, I would just say what's really interesting

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Speaker 1: about the Patriots. I don't know if you guys know

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Speaker 1: this or not. It's negative reinforcement, which has obviously been

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Speaker 1: successful for them. That and having the best football player

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Speaker 1: of all time has really helped them. Um, that's my

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Speaker 1: that's my approach as a manager. I noticed that when

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Speaker 1: you make you don't even let your guys eat lunch,

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Speaker 1: like decent human beings lay away in front of their death.

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Speaker 1: It was so good to see Ross see that. I

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Speaker 1: had an internship summer before guys go back there. You

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Speaker 1: just do it and last hall with so anyway, just

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Speaker 1: so you know, for the Patriots, every day of practice

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Speaker 1: and after every game, the first thing they show are

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Speaker 1: the five worst place in the day before. So like,

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Speaker 1: your major motivating factor is to not be on Belichick's

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Speaker 1: low light tape the next day where he's like, look

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Speaker 1: at this, what are you and it's it's not good.

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Speaker 1: That's the way. I was amazed because when I was there,

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Speaker 1: it was they signed me midway through the oh five

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Speaker 1: year and they were going for their third Strade Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and it was my fourth team already. I'd played for Redskins, Cowboys, Bills,

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Speaker 1: and then Patriots, and it was the least happy team

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Speaker 1: I had ever been on. There was the most like

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Speaker 1: unhappy guys. I'm like, this is unbelievable. He's John Voight

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Speaker 1: on Friday Night Lights or Varsity Blues. Yes he gets results, no,

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Speaker 1: but you know what. And and that was a particular

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Speaker 1: season too, coming off two titles with the team that

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Speaker 1: wasn't right well. But I also say this, We're playing

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars in that first round of the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: he says, you know, every coach before every game says,

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Speaker 1: you know it, start of the week, we gotta take

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Speaker 1: care of the ball. We're gonna you know, they just

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Speaker 1: say the generic stuff. He's the most important thing to

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Speaker 1: this game by far is Jimmy Smith. Uh crossing patterns

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Speaker 1: on third down. That's the key to the game. And

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Speaker 1: like what he'll do is he'll literally call it like

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Speaker 1: a practice squad offensive lineman on Thursday and be like,

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Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, what's the most important thing of this game.

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Speaker 1: I'll be like, Jimmy Smith crossing patterns on third down?

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Speaker 1: Like something like that. Right, we go in the game

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Speaker 1: and he reinforces it so much and it's so specific

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Speaker 1: was up in like a sky box or something. But

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Speaker 1: on third down I was looking at Jimmy Smith like

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what the heck was gonna happen in

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Speaker 1: that game other than Jimmy Smith was not gonna catch

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Speaker 1: a darn third down crossing pattern for a first down.

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Speaker 1: He didn't, and we won by like thirty points. And

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Speaker 1: then I actually did play the next week. We lost

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Speaker 1: to the Ancoes in the division. Around the game that

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Speaker 1: made Ben Watson famous for chasing down champion from behind

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Speaker 1: like a hundred yards take take Plummer's finest NFL moment. Really,

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Speaker 1: let me vision around game. Let me pick your offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman brain here. So we before we do that, if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna if we're gonna talk offensive lineman, we gotta

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Speaker 1: go down to the lab. Let's go. Oh, it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna do some scientists heat here. I mean Ross Tucker,

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Speaker 1: veterans that noise were walking down steps, if the steps

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Speaker 1: of you walking down that up. Now we're in the lab.

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Speaker 1: Now this is the scientist lab. This is where the

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Speaker 1: real football nerds talk. The real football men, go ahead, West,

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Speaker 1: so I'll be upstairs. So he's aid, the real football

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Speaker 1: nerds go ahead. I'll be making grilled cheese upstairs later.

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Speaker 1: So none of us in this room claim to be

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Speaker 1: able to evaluate offensive line play where we're watching condensed games,

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Speaker 1: but there are people who do. And when you see

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Speaker 1: a site like pro Football, because even as a former

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Speaker 1: professional offensive lineman, can you feel great about your analysis

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Speaker 1: of an offensive lineman without knowing his assignment in a game? Well,

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Speaker 1: I can feel very good about it, yes, But I

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Speaker 1: can also tell you with certainty that I can't have

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Speaker 1: a certainty on who messed up on certain things. If

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Speaker 1: you ask the Pro Football Focus guys, what I respect

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Speaker 1: about them is they know that they don't know what

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Speaker 1: guys are supposed to do, so they just evaluate what

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Speaker 1: the guy tries to do, and they feel like over time,

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Speaker 1: given a large enough sample size, it'll kind of even out.

847
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Speaker 1: Like I'll give an example. You know, several years ago,

848
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Speaker 1: I think they had Brandon Albert as maybe their second

849
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Speaker 1: best offensive tackle or something like that, and I was

850
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: told by the Chiefs, you know, people that would know

851
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Speaker 1: that he was good for like two mental errors a

852
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: game that is like mental errors as a professional or

853
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: totally unacceptable, and a mental error is like, okay, you

854
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Speaker 1: blocked the wrong guy. Well the right guy goes and

855
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Speaker 1: smoke sue quarterback. It's a strip sack return for a

856
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: touchdown and you lost. Thanks for playing. Oh, by the way,

857
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: your quarterback's got a concussion. Yes, So the biggest issue

858
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Speaker 1: I have with them would be, you know, I can

859
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Speaker 1: think of at least probably one play game when I

860
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: played where I would get a negative for it from them.

861
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: But I was really just trying to save somebody else's

862
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: butt that messed up, you know what I mean. Like

863
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: I I stepped down, I saw the tackle step down too,

864
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: so I bailed to try to get you know, try

865
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Speaker 1: to cut the linebacker's knee so he didn't. But all

866
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: in all, I think those sites do a really really

867
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: good job. You say, you think by the time they

868
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Speaker 1: have sixteen games worth the sample size, they get it

869
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: pretty right. But now, well I think, um, you know,

870
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Speaker 1: I think they rate Evan mathis a little higher than

871
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: I would. You know, I think like they think, Yeah,

872
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Speaker 1: I think that there's the other thirty two. Yeah, like

873
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: they put more of a premium. I think on on

874
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: run blocking, then I think NFL team to do would

875
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: probably be another way to describe it. You know, NFL

876
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: they want you to be a good run blocker, but

877
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: not many guys are really getting vertical movement anyway, you know,

878
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: and they want to be efficient with your blocks. I

879
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: love that. What are we doing now, We're just we're

880
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: just pouring more stuff speak marks here too, We're just

881
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: we're just pouring more stuff and marks here. I'm upstairs

882
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: cooking grilled cheese with Dan. But um, you know, at

883
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the way the NFL is,

884
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: you really get paid for pass blocking, which I mean

885
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't that way because I was not

886
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: a great pass blocker. That was like a flaw. But

887
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: like you look at the guys Luke, Joko and Fisher,

888
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: and the Fisher has actually gotten a little better. It

889
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: was a really fun project for me to make fun

890
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: of him the first couple of years. But he's actually, yeah,

891
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: he's actually like last year he was decent. But those

892
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: guys are paid to pass block, and anybody that says

893
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: anything different is kidding themselves. Evan Mathis is an av

894
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: Rooch pass blocker, so Pro Football folk and I like

895
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: him as a guy. He's a good player. But Pro

896
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: Football Focus ranks him really high because of what they

897
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: believes his efficiency in the run game. But I think

898
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: that's mitigated a decent amount by him not being a

899
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: great pass blocker in my mind. Um, moving away from

900
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Speaker 1: the line, we I think we reached out to you

901
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: before you came on today. Who do you want to

902
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: talk about? Kirk Cousins was the name that came up.

903
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: What are your feelings about Kirk Cousins, you know, playing

904
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: on a one year, twenty million dollar deal. So I

905
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: don't understand why people don't value last year as much

906
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: as I do, Like for in general, Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor,

907
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, like even to some extent, Brian Hoyer obviously

908
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: that horrible game, but like last year matters, like that's

909
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: the most recent sample size we have, and it's a

910
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: pretty big sample size. But with all these guys, it's

911
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: like for Tyrod Taylor, it's like he's only ever done

912
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: it once. I mean it was his first year starting,

913
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: and the guy was what twenty touchdowns, five interceptions, ran

914
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: for six yards. Listen, I make the same argument about

915
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick in this room, and everybody says, this guy

916
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: is a total journeyman. He stinks it's a joke that

917
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: the Jets were decided trying to get him back, which

918
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: is what all I'm looking at last season is first

919
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: with the Jets, is first or returning to partners journeyman

920
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: with chan Gilly. I'm only judging it on his ear

921
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: With the Jets, he was one of the best quarterbacks

922
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: the Jets have had in decades. Now, I know that

923
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: that last game counts for something, and he threw three picks,

924
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: and that's really spoiled the narrative of what was otherwise

925
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: a really great season for a franchise that hasn't had

926
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: many good seasons at quarterback. So that's why the Jets

927
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: wanted back. It shouldn't be such a laughable thing that

928
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: they do. That's what I'm talking about. No, he is

929
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: a journeyman. But and I'm not saying he's gonna do this,

930
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: But Kurt Warner was a guy that played NFL Europe

931
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: in Arena League before he showed the ability to play

932
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: at that high of a level. Rich Gannon was a

933
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: guy that played for the Vikings the Chiefs. They have

934
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Speaker 1: their good season, then their teams rewarded them with paychecks.

935
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Speaker 1: The Jets. It's not just the Jets who aren't paying

936
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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, it's every team in the league who says,

937
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: we don't believe you can do this again. Well, let

938
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Speaker 1: me ask you this, So what team do you think

939
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: should have I don't think any team should have. I

940
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: think a team should have signed him as a backup,

941
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: not no no, But what team do you think should have

942
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: considered it? Like if you actually go through and look

943
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: at the different quarterback situations around the league, you know,

944
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: for with this, like the Cleveland Browns for example, right,

945
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick's much better than Robert Griffn the third and

946
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: they would win another game or two. But from with

947
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: the Browns their long term approach, like how do they

948
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: value that? How do they they don't? And if you

949
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: look at every situation, I think you could make the

950
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: same argument pretty much across the board. I think he's

951
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: gonna play really well again. I think Kirk Cousins is

952
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna play really well again. I'm a believer in Kirk Cousins.

953
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I think Tyrod Taylor is gonna play It's good. We

954
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: should you should really move over too closer to the

955
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: Chris that is the Cousins corner over there. They're kissing cousins.

956
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: They're the big fans of Cousins, And so are you?

957
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: So so, Gregg, you're the guy that because the guy's

958
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: name isn't Drew Brees or Tom Brady, or because they

959
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: haven't done it for five years, because I get the

960
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: sense you don't believe in Fitzpatrick. You don't believe in cousins.

961
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what what do you guys die every day?

962
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: You blog about this stuff and you you write about

963
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: this stuff, and we watched the games. There's like sixteen

964
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: games last year. Does it doesn't matter? But the question

965
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: might be better directed to Doug Walley for why he

966
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: won't pay Taylor because he didn't have to, of course,

967
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: as he doesn't have to, and because they they it's

968
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: pretty telling that in mid October of last year they

969
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: came out, well they didn't say it, but they leaked

970
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: the word to Ian rappitport E j Manuel can take

971
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: this job. So obviously Tyrod Taylor isn't doing something, and

972
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: that's something that's throwing over the middle of the field.

973
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: So you're so I'm I'm getting a great feel for

974
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: all you're the guy that based on what the based

975
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: on what the team does. They're showing us what the

976
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: guy that is. That is one of many factors the

977
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: data that we can read. But they agreed. But then

978
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: what you're saying by that is that all teams have

979
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: all knowledge and they know I'm saying that's one part

980
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: of the factor. Another part of the factor. One part

981
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: of the data is that Tyrod Taylor is built small,

982
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: likes to run, already got injured last year and it's

983
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: probably not the best candidate to stay healthy for sixteen games. Well,

984
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I just think they're not paying them because they don't

985
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: have to. They sign him to a very smart contract

986
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: last year. I'm sure that's and they're I mean, you're

987
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: also talking about you said, well, what does Doug Whaley think?

988
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I could give you five things that Doug

989
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Whale he said a long time. Yeah, dog is a

990
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: guy draft dy jim Manuel right. But that also, I

991
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: don't think Doug Whaley was the source telling Ian Rappaport this.

992
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: It was one of their coaches. You're on social media?

993
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Is it cool if we just make the headline here though,

994
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: Ross Jets are missing out on next Kirk corner. Yes,

995
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: that's basically yes. Um, let's let's good scientists talk guys.

996
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go upstairs there sound effect is there? Well,

997
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: if the irishman steps up there we go. We quit talking.

998
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: You can quite all right, listen, we gotta we gotta

999
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: wrap up the segment. You know why because Ross Stucker

1000
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: has got some Princeton bros. He's got to have some

1001
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Daddy Pops with Daddy sodas. You know I called him

1002
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: Daddy Soda. Yeah. Everything, I'm plugged in on the podcast.

1003
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait wait from New York right, Yeah,

1004
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Daddy Pops. That's what I I maybe I miss remember

1005
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: that's my fault. Yeah, because you're Cincinnati, You're in Midwest. Yeah,

1006
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: it's a emnisoda guy. Where I'm dude, I'm in the

1007
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: state where it splits. People in Pittsburgh say pop really,

1008
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: which weirds me out since Natty does too, and South

1009
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm from Redding, Petsvan in your feeling and we always

1010
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: said coke, I have a coke. Yeah, I'd be like,

1011
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: are you are you? The guy at the bar is like,

1012
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I'll take a beer and then they go, which which

1013
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: kind of like any kind just send the guy away.

1014
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: I probably had conversations like that. I love that. I

1015
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: love by the way, that Timo Hio over here has

1016
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: a uniform hast chopped down a tree after this, right,

1017
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: So he is Ross Tucker and again you can check

1018
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: him on NBC Sports Network, Serious XM, NFL Radio, Sports

1019
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: on Earth where he writes and of course the Rust,

1020
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: the Ross Tucker Football Podcast and a twitter hit him

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00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: up at at Ross Tucker NFL. It was a real

1022
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you in the studio, dude. Good to

1023
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: see you guys in person. I got I'll fly out

1024
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: every week six hours each way for these glorious seventeen minutes.

1025
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: It was awesome. There was a lot of fun. So

1026
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker check him out and there he goes Ross

1027
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Tucker out the door, and we gotta get out the

1028
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: door as well. Gentlemen. We'll be back on Thursday with

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00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: yet another Around the NFL Podcast. We will have a

1030
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: guest from inside the NFL media sphere tomorrow. So a

1031
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: lot of people uh in the studio this week, a

1032
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: lot of friends of the Around the NFL podcast. Is

1033
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Speaker 1: that news to you, Greg, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, Okay,

1034
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: well we'll you'll find out. We'll talk after the show,

1035
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Speaker 1: So get excited everybody until Thursday. This is Dan Hansons

1036
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm. The Mailman, the Boss and

1037
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: the Irishman got a chance to get up on rush

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: for Baby Out Thursday. One day we will die. One

1039
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: day we will die. So enjoy this time we have

1040
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: together because one day we will die.