Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
Speaker 2: kind of want.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. I am
Speaker 1: Shane Bay and join us always by Marty Jerts, and
Speaker 1: we've got an exciting guest today. Marty, a guy that
Speaker 1: has spent his life dedicated to fitness and improvement in
Speaker 1: terms of golf. Mike, we got a lot of questions
Speaker 1: for you today, so hope you're prepared. Mike, Carol, Marty
Speaker 1: a buddy of yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike and I go back a little ways. Is
Speaker 3: it kind of helped me along my own personal journey
Speaker 3: to get as Mike's brand is fit for golf, so
Speaker 3: to speak, but I think more importantly get fit for
Speaker 3: life and look forward to chat and Mike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much for inviting me. Guys, I'm excited
Speaker 2: to chat.
Speaker 1: Mike. How did you get into this world? How did
Speaker 1: you get into the improvement world of people's not just health,
Speaker 1: as Marty said, but kind of life improvement.
Speaker 2: And I was always very interested in health and fitness
Speaker 2: growing up like very kind of sporty and active household.
Speaker 2: And I studied sports and exercise science in university in Ireland,
Speaker 2: and when that was finished, my kind of thing that
Speaker 2: I went into basically was personal training and strength and conditioning.
Speaker 2: So for anyone who doesn't know, strength and conditioning is
Speaker 2: basically the same thing as personal training, except rather than
Speaker 2: trying to help the general population, you know, get you know,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit leaner and in better general shape,
Speaker 2: strength and conditioning is how you can help athletes improve
Speaker 2: their physical conditioning for particular sport. So I have a
Speaker 2: background in bolt which is definitely helpful, and after a
Speaker 2: while just decided that I'd try and pursue it down
Speaker 2: the Gulf Avenue because it was pretty interesting, pretty niche,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't really i guess, being done from what
Speaker 2: I could see to a particularly high level, and just
Speaker 2: sort of kind of gathered momentum from there.
Speaker 3: Basically, Mike, were you a golfer. I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: on your own personal journey, it's been fun to watch
Speaker 3: you quote unquote kind of chasing scratch so to speak,
Speaker 3: in your own personal golf game. But you talked about
Speaker 3: that moment you decided to pursue it in golf. Were
Speaker 3: you an avid golfer at that time or kind of
Speaker 3: casual golfer and then on this journey you kind of
Speaker 3: transition to being more avid, more serious about your own game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I decided to try and go down
Speaker 2: let's say the strength and conditioning root for golf as
Speaker 2: a coach, it was actually after I'd had a spell
Speaker 2: where I played a reasonably serious amount of golf as
Speaker 2: a teenager, but kind of my last year of we
Speaker 2: call it secondary school in Ireland, it will be high
Speaker 2: school here, I actually stopped playing golf kind of out
Speaker 2: of frustration more than anything else. But I was also
Speaker 2: playing a lot of other sports, so I concentrated on
Speaker 2: one of them in particular, called Gaelic football through my
Speaker 2: last year in high school, and I played it through
Speaker 2: college a little bit with the college, but more with
Speaker 2: kind of my home club. And then when I finished
Speaker 2: my studies, I started playing golf again. I was now
Speaker 2: working full time and you know, didn't have say, studies
Speaker 2: taking up my time, so I started playing a little
Speaker 2: bit of golf again after about a five year break,
Speaker 2: and what was kind of really cool is that even
Speaker 2: though I hadn't been playing golf at all, I'd been
Speaker 2: training really hard in the gym, Like I put on
Speaker 2: about twenty five or thirty pounds in college through strength training,
Speaker 2: And as soon as I got back playing, it was,
Speaker 2: you know, really noticeable, like how much more speed and
Speaker 2: power was there even though I hadn't really been trying.
Speaker 2: And then when I started working with basically more people,
Speaker 2: some of them just happened to be recreational golfers, and
Speaker 2: I started thinking this is something that I'd like to
Speaker 2: sort of push a bit more. And then kind of
Speaker 2: the I guess the big turning point there was really
Speaker 2: two of them. In twenty fourteen, I did the TPI
Speaker 2: Level one education course. I traveled to the Belfry in England,
Speaker 2: actually with Simon Keealen, whose shamous power is Caddy. He's
Speaker 2: a friend of mine home And when I came back
Speaker 2: from that, that's when I set up the brand name
Speaker 2: Fit for Golf, started marketing basically training services for golfers,
Speaker 2: and about a year and a half later I moved
Speaker 2: to California to take up a job with Mike Hanson,
Speaker 2: who owns a facility called Hanson fitness for golf in Irvine, California,
Speaker 2: And funnily enough, it was on Twitter where I saw
Speaker 2: he listed a job that TPI retweeted for him, and
Speaker 2: I got in touch with him and told him I'd
Speaker 2: be interested in Long story short, In October of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: I moved over to California from Cork in Ireland and
Speaker 2: started working for him.
Speaker 1: Mike, we as golfers to get to the winter months.
Speaker 1: I know Marty doesn't deal with this in Arizona. I
Speaker 1: miss those days for goodness sakes, but you know I
Speaker 1: live in Connecticut. I mean, we are narrowing down the
Speaker 1: last few days of a golf season, if at all,
Speaker 1: and then you focus on kind of doing things indoors.
Speaker 1: What's the number one thing you feel like golfers maybe
Speaker 1: miss or don't focus on in terms of their fitness
Speaker 1: that you feel like is the most important thing golfers
Speaker 1: should spend their time on when they're trying to maybe
Speaker 1: get better or maybe improve their overall well being.
Speaker 2: It's funny, so because my background is obviously saying physical
Speaker 2: training and more, making gym programs and things like that,
Speaker 2: people are always assuming I'm going to tell them, like
Speaker 2: some exercises like you know, squats.
Speaker 1: Or push ups or whatever, do one hundred crunch, but
Speaker 1: you'll be dialed right.
Speaker 2: But I think, honestly, I think where people kind of
Speaker 2: missed the boat the most in the winter months is
Speaker 2: going months without swinging a club. Because all fitness is very,
Speaker 2: very specific to the demands of the activity you're doing.
Speaker 2: So if you go months without swinging a club, you're
Speaker 2: going to be getting deconditioned to that specific activity or stress.
Speaker 2: So then when you come back out as the weather
Speaker 2: gets a bit better, which is typically Master's weekend for
Speaker 2: most people, you could have five or six months or
Speaker 2: whatever of not swinging a club. So even if you've
Speaker 2: stayed in generally good shape from you know, whatever type
Speaker 2: of workouts you've been doing, it's not the same. You'll
Speaker 2: be in a much better state than if you hadn't
Speaker 2: been doing anything. But that would be my big thing
Speaker 2: to people is try and find some way to keep
Speaker 2: swinging the club, even a couple of times per week.
Speaker 2: I know that's challenging in certain locations where you know
Speaker 2: there's snow on the ground outside or whatever, but even
Speaker 2: if it means a shortened club inside, or even if
Speaker 2: you need to maybe simulate it, you know, holding basically
Speaker 2: anything like a light medicine ball or like I have
Speaker 2: a cut down you know, really old club that I've
Speaker 2: brought with me traveling a couple of times if I
Speaker 2: know I'm not going to be you know, on a
Speaker 2: range or playing golf. And it definitely, definitely is the
Speaker 2: number one thing.
Speaker 1: I would say, Mike when you talk about timing, I
Speaker 1: mean you mentioned speed right, and speed and players improving
Speaker 1: club head speed and be able to hit the ball
Speaker 1: at longer distances. I mean, it's a big thing in golf,
Speaker 1: but I'd say it's a relatively new age thinking. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you think about what you're doing,
Speaker 1: you think about what Marty has done so well with
Speaker 1: the stack system. I mean a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: kind of coming together at the right time makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for somebody like you in this business
Speaker 1: because I think twenty years ago, if you'd have been
Speaker 1: floating around some ideas of you need to swing it faster,
Speaker 1: you would have got instructors coming around going no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you got to hit fairways, you got to get the
Speaker 1: ball in play. Those are the important aspects of golf,
Speaker 1: and it feels like that's changed a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I think the person off. It's funny when
Speaker 2: someone asks you what I do for work and I'm
Speaker 2: explaining it to them, often they'd say, like, it's Tiger,
Speaker 2: you have to thank for that, And to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: I would say, yes, who actually think I have to
Speaker 2: thank more is Mark Brody because he's the one who
Speaker 2: was able to put like numerical value on gaining distance.
Speaker 2: And once that came out these analytics, there was no more,
Speaker 2: you know, really debate about the value of it. And
Speaker 2: I think before that it was really easy for people
Speaker 2: just to have strong opinions and they could, you know,
Speaker 2: bring up examples of well this player doesn't hit it
Speaker 2: long and x. But once you know, doctor Brody was
Speaker 2: able to put numerical value. And then also when the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour got shot link, so now we have like
Speaker 2: ball speed metrics, distance metrics, strokes gained off the team.
Speaker 2: Well that's really when things you know, you now you
Speaker 2: can give like objective feedback to players. Hey, look at
Speaker 2: these guys' ball speeds, look at their earnings. Look at
Speaker 2: these guys ball speeds, look at their earnings. And when
Speaker 2: you can almost like show a player. Hey, this is
Speaker 2: like potentially what x amount of ball speed is worth
Speaker 2: in dollars per year. That obviously gets people interested.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, Shane, I think that's Mike brings up
Speaker 3: a really good point now that we can just put
Speaker 3: those numbers at YE decisions here. So like in our
Speaker 3: Pink in Pink co pilot we do that on club fitting,
Speaker 3: we could try longer driver relative to more traditional length.
Speaker 3: We can use that club compare and apply those strokes
Speaker 3: gained metrics with a lot of nuance. It allows you
Speaker 3: to get right into the nuance of what's more important
Speaker 3: distance accuracy. Mike, I wanted to ask you about your
Speaker 3: work with a couple. You work with a couple of
Speaker 3: our our tour players Mackenzie who Seamous Power, Stephan Yager.
Speaker 3: How do you approach those three players in creating their
Speaker 3: individual training programs? And what are some of the different
Speaker 3: priorities that you've you've placed with the three of them.
Speaker 3: Is it kind of a you know, core strength, is
Speaker 3: it speed improvement, injury prevention, injury recover, recovery, maybe a
Speaker 3: mix of all three. How have you tackled those three
Speaker 3: individual players?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it depends a little bit on what the
Speaker 2: player asks you when they get in touch, because essentially
Speaker 2: you're serving them. So you know, even though saying my
Speaker 2: area of particular interest is speed, if some if a
Speaker 2: PGA TORP player contacts me and says, hey, look, I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy with my speed, but if I play
Speaker 2: three or four weeks in a row, the right side
Speaker 2: of my lower back starts giving me trouble. Like what's
Speaker 2: going on here? That's a slightly different, let's say job
Speaker 2: essentially to someone who says, Mike, I'm not one seventy
Speaker 2: I need to get to one seventy six or I
Speaker 2: can't get to where I want in the world rankings, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's usually a little bit of overlap, like with those
Speaker 2: three guys. With McKenzie, it was pretty straightforward in that
Speaker 2: he didn't have any injury concerns. He had a pretty
Speaker 2: good understanding and background and training, but he felt he
Speaker 2: wasn't getting as much out of his training as he should.
Speaker 2: He wanted to make sure that the effort he was
Speaker 2: putting in to his physical training was going to show
Speaker 2: up in speed potential. With Seamus, he is a guy
Speaker 2: who had a lot of speed. He contacted me really
Speaker 2: because he felt like he was possibly doing too much
Speaker 2: training and it was starting to interfere with how much
Speaker 2: energy he had for practice and play. It's something that
Speaker 2: you need to be careful with as a trainer because
Speaker 2: you want to feel like that what you're doing is
Speaker 2: making a difference, and it's easier for you to demonstrate
Speaker 2: that with improvements in physical training metrics. But if it's
Speaker 2: not enhancing the player's scale or their scores, like you're
Speaker 2: in trouble. You know, the training needs to stay as
Speaker 2: a supplement to their golf practice and play. It can't
Speaker 2: take over. And Steven was actually probably the most interesting
Speaker 2: one because when I started working with him, he was
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten in strokes gained off the team.
Speaker 2: He was losing a full stroke around and he probably
Speaker 2: won't mind me saying it, but on our first phone call,
Speaker 2: I can remember him saying to me, Mike, I'm short
Speaker 2: and crooked, which is no good out here. He said,
Speaker 2: I might as well try and hit it further and
Speaker 2: if I stay crooked, it's better. But Marty, is you
Speaker 2: kind of you know? I think would be in agreement
Speaker 2: with And I've noticed with players of different skill levels
Speaker 2: oftentimes when players are short and crooked. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of constraining going on. There's maybe some mental baggage where
Speaker 2: players are. You know, if it starts going sideways, we
Speaker 2: can start to rein it back in because we're worried
Speaker 2: about where it's going. And it's almost like a vicious
Speaker 2: cycle because it can get worse the more and more
Speaker 2: kind of scared you get. So his big thing was like,
Speaker 2: I want to try and get faster and how do
Speaker 2: I do this? So what was interesting with Steven is
Speaker 2: that I would say that the let's say Jim side
Speaker 2: of things that we did was way less important than
Speaker 2: just the practice he did with driver, focusing on essentially
Speaker 2: getting into the mindset of I'm not holding back and
Speaker 2: I'm going to hit it further. And like we talked
Speaker 2: about the value of metrics, like if you're practicing with
Speaker 2: the launch monitor and you're getting feedback on literally every
Speaker 2: single drive in terms of strokes gained from your rounds
Speaker 2: very quickly, you can see how the trends are going.
Speaker 2: And what's been amazing with him And this wouldn't happen
Speaker 2: with every case for sure, but he's about one point
Speaker 2: one strokes per round better off the tee since we
Speaker 2: started working together and he's he's gained about five miles
Speaker 2: an hour in ball speed and he's actually hitting slightly
Speaker 2: more fairwis And as I said, it wouldn't happen with everybody,
Speaker 2: but it was literally a case of let's start swinging
Speaker 2: faster because I'm already crooked. And I think it was
Speaker 2: because there was you know, some probably like mental baggage
Speaker 2: maybe when things aren't going well. Then as he started
Speaker 2: swinging faster, started hitting it straighter, then a confidence goes up.
Speaker 2: You start swinging harder again because you're like, man, this
Speaker 2: is awesome. And that was a big turnaround for him.
Speaker 2: And then with McKenzie and Seamus, like gaines haven't been
Speaker 2: as sudden and as big, which is more what you'd
Speaker 2: expect because Stevens example was you know, pretty kind of
Speaker 2: I would say exceptional in terms of how quickly it
Speaker 2: went up. With McKenzie, what's been interesting is we've had
Speaker 2: some kind of like valleys and lows where there's been
Speaker 2: periods where the speed has been going really good and
Speaker 2: then it might come back down. And that's where it's
Speaker 2: a little bit say tough as a trainer, because you
Speaker 2: don't want to be overstepping bounds in terms of like
Speaker 2: what type of input you're giving because you're kind of
Speaker 2: getting away from the physical training realm. But what you're
Speaker 2: kind of trying to make sure of I guess is
Speaker 2: are they in the place physically where they want to be.
Speaker 2: And the two big ones there are that they're comfortable
Speaker 2: with where there, let's say speed is, and also that
Speaker 2: they have plenty of energy to practice and play and
Speaker 2: they're not dealing with aches and pains. And that's probably
Speaker 2: the most I would say stressful or challenging part of
Speaker 2: the job is if players are picking up aches and
Speaker 2: pains and injuries. That's almost it's part and parcel of
Speaker 2: pro golf because they practice and play so much. But
Speaker 2: that's when you feel like that you might be failing
Speaker 2: at your job. Like if I'd much prefer for one
Speaker 2: of the players to say, Mike, my speed is down
Speaker 2: three miles an hour, what's going on? Like are you
Speaker 2: sure this is the right training program for me? That's fine,
Speaker 2: Like you'll be able to kind of tweak things there,
Speaker 2: have a discussion through it. But if one of the
Speaker 2: players is telling me, like hey, like man, my shoulder
Speaker 2: or my hip is sore, like I can't practice. You know,
Speaker 2: that's when you feel like, okay, this is this is
Speaker 2: not where we want to be. Let let's review here, Mike.
Speaker 1: It's so much information to process on your end. I mean,
Speaker 1: you get a player coming your way and they're saying,
Speaker 1: I want to improve X, Y and Z, or I
Speaker 1: want to change my workout, or I'm not sure why
Speaker 1: my back's hurting. I mean it feels like, as you're
Speaker 1: discussing this, it feels like you're the trainer, but you're
Speaker 1: also a bit of a doctor, and at times you
Speaker 1: might be a psychiatrist. I mean, this is a lot
Speaker 1: of things that you're having to kind of deal with
Speaker 1: when you're kind of taken on a high level athlete
Speaker 1: like this to figure out the perfect setup for that person,
Speaker 1: because not every setup, not every plan, you know, not
Speaker 1: everything you're writing out is going to be the same
Speaker 1: player to player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good point, and I think it's
Speaker 2: where there's actually room for maybe even top level golfers
Speaker 2: to get better. No, obviously I don't have insight into
Speaker 2: on all of the top guys are doing, but you know,
Speaker 2: I've had maybe like four or so years experience of
Speaker 2: kind of being honor around the PGA Tour with with
Speaker 2: players and you know, talking to caddies and managers and
Speaker 2: coaches or whatever. And something that I kind of brought
Speaker 2: up a couple of times is that, like, let's say,
Speaker 2: if you come out of college as an exceptionally good
Speaker 2: baseball or basketball or football player, and you sign a
Speaker 2: professional contract with whatever franchise, like you're brought into the
Speaker 2: ecosystem of that franchise where like somebody's job is going
Speaker 2: to be let's say, high performance manager, where they're monitoring like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's Shane doing like this week in terms of on
Speaker 2: field practice, gym practice. Is he going sitting down with
Speaker 2: the sports psychologists or whatever? You know? But if you
Speaker 2: turn pro in golf and you get a PGA Tour card,
Speaker 2: like there's there's no necessity or there's no let's say
Speaker 2: set system that all these players follow.
Speaker 1: It's on them, Mike. I mean, it's on them to
Speaker 1: to track it down. I mean, you're talking about like
Speaker 1: Victor woman Yama right now, who's obviously been kind of
Speaker 1: the story of the NBA. There are I'm assuming employees
Speaker 1: of the San Antonio Spurs that's job is to make
Speaker 1: sure Victor is eating, working out, resting, flying, whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be, properly and if you're Ludvig Aberg and
Speaker 1: you turn professional, there's nobody that's just being assigned to
Speaker 1: You have to go track that down yourself exactly.
Speaker 2: And where I think golf is probably in a maybe
Speaker 2: a time where things are shifting a little bit, is
Speaker 2: that like there's no question that you can now and
Speaker 2: definitely in the past be a world class tour level
Speaker 2: golfer without doing anything for your physical training, because we've
Speaker 2: seen that down through the generations. But as the sport
Speaker 2: evolves and everything gets more professional, there's bigger money, there's
Speaker 2: a bigger pool of athletes trying to make it. These
Speaker 2: smaller margins make, you know, become much more important. So
Speaker 2: kind of what I've noticed maybe that's lacking in even
Speaker 2: at the PGA tour level is almost just like organization
Speaker 2: and management. For example, Like let's just say if a
Speaker 2: player gets injured, it's like who is he going to
Speaker 2: for advice? Like, like who's whose job is it to
Speaker 2: make sure that like he's sent to let's just say,
Speaker 2: the right people for an examination and diagnosis, Because like
Speaker 2: an example is like there's a there's a physio truck
Speaker 2: on the tour, right, So like these guys are great,
Speaker 2: but like they're busy. They've got one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: six players in an event. And if Marty you go
Speaker 2: into them on a Tuesday and you're like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: tom My back is sore, they might be thinking like,
Speaker 2: I've never met Marty before. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: going to come back. All I know is that he
Speaker 2: wants to tee it up on Thursday. Whereas if you have,
Speaker 2: you know, a manager that you're reporting this to, and
Speaker 2: their job is okay, like what are we going through
Speaker 2: here to make sure all the right protocols are ticked?
Speaker 2: And I think you can apply that to basically, like
Speaker 2: every element of performance. If you get back to, like Shane,
Speaker 2: what you were saying about, you know, the NBA franchise
Speaker 2: having these different departments where basically things are monitored and
Speaker 2: managed at a pretty big level. Because you need to remember,
Speaker 2: like these golfers are like the world's best at what
Speaker 2: they do, and if something means even slight improvement, or
Speaker 2: it means that an injury doesn't take quite as long
Speaker 2: to recover from, or they're not out for quite as
Speaker 2: long you know, that's more chance to say, playing events
Speaker 2: where you can build up FedEx points. And you know,
Speaker 2: we know from watching a golf season how granular at
Speaker 2: the end of a year things can be in terms
Speaker 2: of different cutoffs for keeping cards or getting into particular events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely might.
Speaker 2: So to answer your question they're shaeing. What that probably
Speaker 2: means is like one of my jobs is when I
Speaker 2: get information from players, is sometimes telling them I'm not
Speaker 2: the guy to answer that question, like I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly why your backer risk is sore and what I suggested.
Speaker 2: You know, it's been dragging on for too long. Now
Speaker 2: you need to go and see a specialist in this area,
Speaker 2: like find out where in your city who the best
Speaker 2: guy to go to is, or I find out who
Speaker 2: that person is and try and send them there basically,
Speaker 2: but that wouldn't happen if I was working for a
Speaker 2: basketball organization. You know, that would be all in house
Speaker 2: and taken care of. So I think that's where things might,
Speaker 2: you know, have room to improve over time. Mike.
Speaker 3: I think one thing fun about about your your journey
Speaker 3: is we've talked about your work with PGA Tour players,
Speaker 3: which has been sounds like quite fun. You've learned a
Speaker 3: lot there, but you have through your app Fit for
Speaker 3: Golf App, the ability to connect design programs for any
Speaker 3: golfer out there, which is quite fun and I think
Speaker 3: it I kind of like in it a little bit
Speaker 3: to what I try to do at ping is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we work with the tour players, but we need we
Speaker 3: need to pass along our solutions to the everyday golfer.
Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about what that looks like
Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, your your golf community that
Speaker 3: has had success training with your app. What are some
Speaker 3: differences there between training the tour player, which we just
Speaker 3: talked about in the everyday golfer. You know, they don't
Speaker 3: have as much time available. How much time do they
Speaker 3: need to get on one of your programs? What's the
Speaker 3: minimum amount of time per week? What does that look like?
Speaker 2: Mike? Yeah, So kind of how the Fit for Golf
Speaker 2: app came about was from training people for basically multiple years,
Speaker 2: you kind of start noticing patterns like these people coming
Speaker 2: in are of very similar profiles like you have. Let's
Speaker 2: say you're you're older golfers. You might have your kind
Speaker 2: of busy working moms or dads, and then you might
Speaker 2: have your aspiring golfers, and while there is definitely some
Speaker 2: individual differences, there's a lot of similarities. And if you're
Speaker 2: trying to work with people in person all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't. You can't deal with you know,
Speaker 2: thousands of people. So sort of my idea was, why
Speaker 2: don't I build out these templates that I tend to
Speaker 2: work off day in and day out for the last
Speaker 2: number of years, and try and make them accessible to
Speaker 2: basically thousands of golfers that they can use in their
Speaker 2: own time because a lot of these golfers they don't
Speaker 2: have access to, you know, a professional in their area
Speaker 2: that can basically provide them with that service, and to
Speaker 2: be honest, if they do, it's often very expensive. So
Speaker 2: how I started was essentially just I would write a
Speaker 2: program and for each exercise in the program, just trying
Speaker 2: to think of regressions and progressions. So, like Shane Menson say,
Speaker 2: like squatting earlier as an offseason exercise, like it's that's
Speaker 2: something that I would say is pretty universally good for
Speaker 2: people to do. Barrings some you know, a major injury
Speaker 2: that doesn't allow them to do so I'm probably gonna
Speaker 2: want most golfers I work with to squat or something
Speaker 2: similar because it's really good for lower body strength and power,
Speaker 2: which is beneficial for producing speed and potentially reducing injury.
Speaker 2: If I have somebody who's never worked out before, is
Speaker 2: maybe carrying a lot of excess weight and they have
Speaker 2: some reservations about exercising, they might be doing a squat
Speaker 2: where they're holding onto a countertop to assist them going
Speaker 2: down where they can use their arms to offload themselves
Speaker 2: a little bit. Or you might see people doing it
Speaker 2: holding like a TRX strap or something like that, so
Speaker 2: like they're not even squatting against all of their body weight.
Speaker 2: Whereas if it is a D one college golfer who's
Speaker 2: just had four years of working with a strength and
Speaker 2: conditioning staff and they're like, Mike, I'm at one fifteen speed,
Speaker 2: but I think if I can get to one to
Speaker 2: twenty one, like I'm gonna have a huge advantage. Well,
Speaker 2: now you're starting to deal with things where you know,
Speaker 2: you might be squeezing the sponge a little bit more dry,
Speaker 2: and you're probably still going to have them do some
Speaker 2: sort of squat, but their squat might turn into like
Speaker 2: they might be doing a squat jump, holding fifty pounds,
Speaker 2: dumbels or something like that. You know, so very similar
Speaker 2: movement pattern, very similar let's say adaptation you're looking for,
Speaker 2: but you just meet them where they are. I guess,
Speaker 2: kind of like club fitting Marty. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: I have a kind of picture of what I want
Speaker 2: this person to be able to do, but like this
Speaker 2: driver is going to work for you know, your kid
Speaker 2: that's just after finishing college, whereas this might be for
Speaker 2: grandad kind of thing. You know, it's basically the same
Speaker 2: idea and just just scaling from there. And I think
Speaker 2: where people especially I would say, like with it's hypocritical
Speaker 2: because like my business is on social media and my
Speaker 2: job is to try and garner people's attention so I
Speaker 2: can sell my programs. But I think it's become more
Speaker 2: common to try and convince people that they might have
Speaker 2: problems that are unique to them that other people don't have,
Speaker 2: and as a solution, there's some very highly specialized exercise
Speaker 2: or program that's perfect for them, which I just don't
Speaker 2: really agree is the case. Even if you go through
Speaker 2: as thorough a screening or assessment protocol as you want,
Speaker 2: like training is still really a little bit of trial
Speaker 2: and error getting started. You basically just start on the
Speaker 2: conservative side with something you think is probably a little
Speaker 2: bit too easy. Was that okay, yeah, perfect, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: try the next level? Was that okay, okay great? And
Speaker 2: after doing that a couple of times, it's sort of
Speaker 2: like a Goldilocks principle. You get into the sweet spot
Speaker 2: where you want to be, and then from there it's
Speaker 2: just slowly progressing. And then what's been a big part
Speaker 2: of it is like literally replying to people's questions that
Speaker 2: they send in through the app, like hey, like, how
Speaker 2: do I modify this exercise because I fell skiing last
Speaker 2: week and my knee is killing me? Or this where
Speaker 2: I work out doesn't have this piece of equipment, like
Speaker 2: what can I do instead? You know, That's that's kind
Speaker 2: of where I would say, like the individual individualization has
Speaker 2: come as just answering questions for people.
Speaker 1: Mike, what's a big misconception people have about fitness and golf?
Speaker 1: What's something that when you talk to newbies to the gym.
Speaker 1: What's something that you feel like most people maybe don't
Speaker 1: understand or almost always approach you that's wrong.
Speaker 2: What's the time limit on this podcast?
Speaker 1: We can go. We got we got plenty of times.
Speaker 2: I don't have to pick up my kids an hour
Speaker 2: and a half. Let's it go. I think there's two
Speaker 2: that stand out like above all else. Number one is
Speaker 2: that lifting is going to hurt you, Like there's definitely
Speaker 2: an assumption out there in some circles that like lifting
Speaker 2: equals injury, and I think it's it's like any other
Speaker 2: type of physical activity. If you do too much too soon,
Speaker 2: literally if that's walking, if you build up your steps,
Speaker 2: if you build up your step count too quickly, like
Speaker 2: you're gonna get healing achilles pain. I promise you, like,
Speaker 2: go go on a hiking trip unprepared or a long
Speaker 2: walking trip unprepared, and the most basic of activities you
Speaker 2: will start to pick up an injury. It's the same
Speaker 2: with weaight training. But we know from like as much
Speaker 2: research as you want to look at, it's one of
Speaker 2: the best things that we can do for maintaining or
Speaker 2: improving our physical function as we age. And to be honest, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love helping golfers improve their speed, but most let's
Speaker 2: say recreational golfers, like who really cares if they're at
Speaker 2: ninety eight versus one oh one miles an hour to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, but if they're able to be in
Speaker 2: way better health and physical condition long term, maybe they
Speaker 2: can maintain that ninety eight miles longer for seven or
Speaker 2: eight years more in their golfing life. And that's where
Speaker 2: like strength resistance training becomes really important. And then the
Speaker 2: other one is probably that like strength training or lifting
Speaker 2: weights is going to lead to reduced flexibility. And people
Speaker 2: have you know, the image of the gigantic bodybuilder in
Speaker 2: their head, bulging with muscles, saying that you know that
Speaker 2: guy couldn't rotate or couldn't scratch his back, which if
Speaker 2: you ask them so, they actually probably could. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't look that way. But there's that like if you
Speaker 2: think of doing a let's say, strength training exercise through
Speaker 2: as big a range of motion as you can in
Speaker 2: that particular movement that's essentially a loaded stretch, like you
Speaker 2: you can improve your mobility and strength at the same
Speaker 2: time with resistance training. And they're the two I would
Speaker 2: say that people are most worried about is that, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get stronger, I just want to
Speaker 2: get more flexible. Any adult that doesn't lift weights, I
Speaker 2: would say actually probably does need to think about getting stronger,
Speaker 2: because if you're not, you're just gradually losing muscle mass
Speaker 2: and that ends up catastrophic for health over the course
Speaker 2: of decades. And the added bonus is that you can
Speaker 2: do both at the same time. You can improve flexibility
Speaker 2: and strength through strength training. And in terms of the
Speaker 2: other one getting hurt. Sure, you can get hurt lifting weights.
Speaker 2: You can get hurt from doing anything, and you can
Speaker 2: get hurt from doing nothing. People wake up with aches
Speaker 2: and pains, or they hurt themselves picking up the kids'
Speaker 2: school bag or whatever. You know, they're probably the two
Speaker 2: biggest ones. There's some more that you could dig into.
Speaker 2: It's a long list, and to be honest, I think
Speaker 2: the reason it's a long list is something that you
Speaker 2: touched on earlier is that this is quite new in
Speaker 2: terms of being a thing in golf, and it makes
Speaker 2: it quite interesting for say, trying to research and learn
Speaker 2: from people who are more experienced and let's say, smarter
Speaker 2: than you. And I'm by no means saying that I'm
Speaker 2: the smartest or most experienced or best trainer in golf,
Speaker 2: but there's very few people have been doing it for
Speaker 2: a long time or have really been applying like their
Speaker 2: whole careers to it. So we almost need to go
Speaker 2: and look for other look to other sports for guidance,
Speaker 2: and I think in golf by far the best places
Speaker 2: we can go our track and field because those sports,
Speaker 2: the coach's job is they're given feedback by a tape
Speaker 2: measure or a stopwatch, and those sports were also in
Speaker 2: the Olympics. And if a sport is in the Olympics,
Speaker 2: it's major political bragging rights, which sounds kind of off course,
Speaker 2: but it means that there's tons of resources pumped into
Speaker 2: them by countries governments, which means that you get exceptionally
Speaker 2: good coaches, you get lots of research and studies. And
Speaker 2: if you combine that with the fact that the athletes
Speaker 2: are getting objective feedback about hey, how much further did
Speaker 2: you throw the javelin from this from this training program
Speaker 2: or what exercises had the biggest correlation with this jump height,
Speaker 2: there are things that can be really really informative, whereas
Speaker 2: when you go into field sports or sports that have
Speaker 2: a lot of let's say more external and variable factors involved,
Speaker 2: it gets really tough. Like even for example, the NFL
Speaker 2: combine does a bad job of finding which players are
Speaker 2: going to be the best on the field because there's
Speaker 2: just there's just so much more to sports where there's
Speaker 2: millions of things going on. You can't boil down to
Speaker 2: you know, jumping and you know, sprinting around cones and
Speaker 2: things like that. But if we take the main thing,
Speaker 2: I would say that you can improve in golf as
Speaker 2: a trainer, Like it's I think I think for performance
Speaker 2: why it's like if you take away like, Okay, we
Speaker 2: don't want them to be injured, we want them to
Speaker 2: be able to make the swings that them and their
Speaker 2: coaches want to do. But after that, it's really like
Speaker 2: how much speed do you have? Like it really is
Speaker 2: the way things are going. And when that's the case, well,
Speaker 2: then like we're using speed as our feedback test, and
Speaker 2: now how are our training programs basically enhancing that as
Speaker 2: long as we're keeping the other things lined up?
Speaker 3: Basically, Mike, there was so much in there that was
Speaker 3: so good and so interesting. I think one one of
Speaker 3: the regrets I've had in my life is probably spending
Speaker 3: too much time practicing fifty yard web shots when I
Speaker 3: rarely have that shot on the course, And the other
Speaker 3: one is static stretching. I think if I had to
Speaker 3: go back in time, nowadays, I love doing like Jefferson
Speaker 3: curls and kettlebell windmills, and my hamstring flexibility is improved
Speaker 3: dramatically and I feel great. What are some other exercises
Speaker 3: there that you can take to end range to improve
Speaker 3: your flexibility that you like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a good point there i'm stretching is that
Speaker 2: most people think that let's say, lack of mobility is
Speaker 2: because of like tissue, let's say muscle tissue tightness, and
Speaker 2: they think that by stretching they're going to elongate that tissue,
Speaker 2: which doesn't really happen. Like muscle and tending and connective tissue,
Speaker 2: it's just too dense and too strong essentially for that
Speaker 2: to happen to to a great extent. And usually what's
Speaker 2: more commonly the reason for a range of motion being
Speaker 2: restricted is it's something from your brain nervous system saying hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable here, Like let's put on the brakes here.
Speaker 2: This doesn't feel so good. I've never been here before,
Speaker 2: I have no strength here before. And don't even think
Speaker 2: about asking me to do it at high force or
Speaker 2: high speed, because that's not going to go help. So
Speaker 2: if you're trying to improve range of motion in a
Speaker 2: certain area, I would say, try and do things as
Speaker 2: much as possible where you are actively moving through that
Speaker 2: range of motion. So, for example, one a simple one
Speaker 2: that I think that I think is great, like is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest, let's say, complaints you get from
Speaker 2: golfers is that they're losing flexibility as they get a
Speaker 2: little bit older and their swing is getting shorter, and
Speaker 2: they show you these various stretches they're doing, maybe lying
Speaker 2: on the ground, they might have a towel pulled over
Speaker 2: a certain part of their leg or something like that.
Speaker 2: Whereas something that I think is perfect for that is
Speaker 2: give them a club or a weighted club and tell them, Okay,
Speaker 2: you've got sixty seconds on the clock, and gradually, I
Speaker 2: want you to make practice swings where you go longer
Speaker 2: and longer each time. I want you to get uncomfortably
Speaker 2: slightly uncomfortably longer with how far you're turning, how far
Speaker 2: your hands are going, And all of a sudden it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is way more specific to the demands of the
Speaker 2: activity that I'm actually trying to get better at, and
Speaker 2: your brain is also involved, like you have to contract
Speaker 2: the muscles that you need to contract to get back
Speaker 2: to those positions, You need to be in control of
Speaker 2: all the various joints that are involved, and you're also
Speaker 2: just getting more comfortable doing it. It's not that there's
Speaker 2: anything inherently wrong with doing static stretching at all. It'd
Speaker 2: kind of never discourage someone from any form of exercise,
Speaker 2: But all choices we make in training basically are a
Speaker 2: series of trade offs. Like we have a limited amount
Speaker 2: of time, and as soon as we have a specific
Speaker 2: let's say goal or activity that we're trying to work on,
Speaker 2: then just the question as well, how much is this
Speaker 2: transferring to what I'm trying to improve based on my
Speaker 2: opportunity cost basically based on the other things I can
Speaker 2: be doing. And if you think of what the golf
Speaker 2: swing is, it's a one second activity. It's standing on
Speaker 2: our feet, it's happening very quickly, like static stretching is
Speaker 2: is tough to give let's say, a lot of recommendation
Speaker 2: for when we consider some of the other options that
Speaker 2: we have, like even something as simple as like if
Speaker 2: you stand and uprate let's say, in like baseball posture
Speaker 2: or something and hold a four or six pounds medicine
Speaker 2: ball at arm's length in front of you. Practice rotating
Speaker 2: as far as you can in each direction, do something
Speaker 2: like ten or twelve reps each side, trying to go
Speaker 2: as far as you can do that a couple of times. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be way better than you know.
Speaker 2: We see the classic stretch of kind of somebody putting
Speaker 2: their foot up on a bench and trying to touch
Speaker 2: their toes or you know, dragging their arm across their chest.
Speaker 2: It's like, hold on a second here, like that's that's great.
Speaker 2: I know it's what everybody has done forever. But let's
Speaker 2: actually think about what we're what we're trying to improve here,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Mike, that was something i'd written down to ask you.
Speaker 1: Was I mean, we all love the idea of showing
Speaker 1: up an hour before our tea time and hitting balls
Speaker 1: and rolling some putts, but the reality is most of
Speaker 1: us show up fifteen minutes before our tea time. And
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you had ideas,
Speaker 1: because you know, what used to be a popular warm up,
Speaker 1: if you will that I feel like's kind of gone away.
Speaker 1: Was they you know, guys would pull out two clubs
Speaker 1: and swing two clubs like a doughnut on a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, now it is a lot more
Speaker 1: of that. I'm going to bend over, touch my toes
Speaker 1: and try to get ready. Do you have things people
Speaker 1: could do when they only have ten to fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: to prepare for a tea time and they can't go
Speaker 1: to the range and hit sixty golf balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like two sides of the spectrum. When the
Speaker 2: pro guys you brought up are professional golfers, their warm
Speaker 2: up is in the gym for about twenty minutes. They
Speaker 2: go through what's usually termed as like a dynamic warm up,
Speaker 2: where they'll be doing some exercises for loosening out their hips,
Speaker 2: their spy and their shoulders, their neck. Then they might
Speaker 2: do some let's say pretty easy body weight exercises like squats, lunges,
Speaker 2: toe touches, but all for reps, no holding positions. Gradually
Speaker 2: tried to go a bit further getting warmed up, and
Speaker 2: then they'll finish their warm up with some what I
Speaker 2: would call like explosive or powerwork. For example, they might
Speaker 2: do a series like three sets of five vertical jumps
Speaker 2: eight medicine ball slams and eight medicine ball throws off
Speaker 2: a wall or something like that, and they feel like
Speaker 2: that when they go down to the range they could
Speaker 2: take out driver and be at full speed on their
Speaker 2: first swing. The other reason I like that is if
Speaker 2: they're playing let's say five rounds a week, when you
Speaker 2: include practice rounds or whatever in pro ams, that's also
Speaker 2: a little bit of mobility and power work before every round.
Speaker 2: That adds up over the course of months and over
Speaker 2: course of seasons. Recreational golfers don't have time to do that.
Speaker 2: What I do I play first thing in the morning,
Speaker 2: so like first light, I'm not going to the course
Speaker 2: early to hit balls. I do like a ten minute
Speaker 2: mobility routine at home where I basically go through what
Speaker 2: I just said there. I'm doing some like hip mobility,
Speaker 2: some spy mobility, some like squats lunges, some torso twists,
Speaker 2: and then I take honestly about twenty practice swings on
Speaker 2: the first tee with my driver, like two sets of ten.
Speaker 2: I might do a set at ten that's pretty easy,
Speaker 2: then I do a set at ten that's pretty hard,
Speaker 2: and then I'll take like you know, I'll make sure
Speaker 2: that I have, say like a minute or two to
Speaker 2: get heart rate back down to normal. Then I'll take
Speaker 2: like one or two let's say, normal practice swings when
Speaker 2: it's my turn to hit, and like, honestly, that feels fine,
Speaker 2: Like I get more out of those swings than I
Speaker 2: think I would do in like any stretches on the
Speaker 2: first t to be perfectly.
Speaker 1: Honest, Mike, do you have that on your website? I mean,
Speaker 1: is that is that a part of part of the
Speaker 1: side of people who're gonna download it and subscribe them
Speaker 1: that you have?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's the main like daily mobility
Speaker 2: slash warm up routine. I have tons of free like
Speaker 2: shortened versions of it on my Twitter or Instagram, and
Speaker 2: I think on my website there's actually a pop up
Speaker 2: where if you enter your email address you get like
Speaker 2: a free five minute golf warm up. And it's one
Speaker 2: that's simple to do with the course because you're standing
Speaker 2: for all of it and the only equipment you use
Speaker 2: as a club things like leg swings back and forth,
Speaker 2: some like helvis twists, some Torso twists. Yeah. The most
Speaker 2: important thing I would say for like a good quality
Speaker 2: warm up is think about think about moving like gradually
Speaker 2: moving through the activity you're about to do, less less
Speaker 2: thinking about stretching out, and more thinking about moving through
Speaker 2: the movement that you're about to do, gradually building up
Speaker 2: the speed. Like, for example, if you're going to do
Speaker 2: a forty yard dash, I don't want to see you
Speaker 2: standing on the side of the track stretching your hamstring.
Speaker 2: I want to see you do fifteen forty yard runs
Speaker 2: going from slow to medium to fast like. That's how
Speaker 2: you prepare for it.
Speaker 3: Mike for the listener here, I've thought a lot about
Speaker 3: this topic and study this topic just the can you
Speaker 3: and I know this could be its own podcast in itself.
Speaker 3: But the difference between strength training and speed training, you know,
Speaker 3: the high level as simple as you can make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is that is definitely like a loaded question.
Speaker 2: It's honestly one of my favorite areas to try and
Speaker 2: dig into and I guess get more knowledge in. If
Speaker 2: we think of someone who wants to be able to
Speaker 2: develop the ability to swing faster, okay, we want them
Speaker 2: to have big and strong, fast twitched muscle fibers, and
Speaker 2: we want them to be able to apply the strength
Speaker 2: they have very quickly. And if you look at those
Speaker 2: two things, it gets pretty simple why you want to
Speaker 2: have let's say heavy strength training and light load speed training.
Speaker 2: When we're lifting heavy weights, let's say a weight that
Speaker 2: we could lift for five reps or less, doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what the exercise is, because that weight is challenging relative
Speaker 2: to our strength level. We recruit all of our muscle fibers.
Speaker 2: There's none that we don't use because we need them
Speaker 2: all to kick in to help us move the weight.
Speaker 2: The harder we try and accelerate the weight, the more
Speaker 2: of our fastwitched fibers that we recruit. And one of
Speaker 2: the beneficial adaptations to heavy resistance training is that we
Speaker 2: get better at recruiting these fastwitch fibers. And one of
Speaker 2: the biggest elements of maximum strength is the size of
Speaker 2: our muscle fibers. So with heavy strength training, we learn
Speaker 2: how to recruit our fastwitch fibers, we learn how to
Speaker 2: produce more maximum force, and these fibers also get bigger.
Speaker 2: With speed training, something that we get a lot better
Speaker 2: at is how quickly we can send the signal from
Speaker 2: our brain to the muscles and get those muscles to contract.
Speaker 2: And that's why having the balance of both of them
Speaker 2: is very very ben official. The kind of ven diagram
Speaker 2: of what you want to be really good at is
Speaker 2: you want to have big strong muscles from heavy strength training,
Speaker 2: particularly big fast twitch muscle fibers. But they're the ones
Speaker 2: that tend to grow from strength training anyway, and we
Speaker 2: want to be really really good at our muscles applying
Speaker 2: that force very quickly, which is why, honestly, the most
Speaker 2: important ones to do for golf are specific like speed
Speaker 2: training with swings, because that motor unit firing frequency or
Speaker 2: ray coding, I think is quite specific to a task,
Speaker 2: to a movement pattern. So if we can do it
Speaker 2: through swinging, are things that are similar to swinging, it's
Speaker 2: definitely beneficial. And then kind of over time what gets
Speaker 2: important is that when people start strength training, they'll notice,
Speaker 2: like all al most a linear increase to clubhead speed.
Speaker 2: Like if you get someone and you get them in
Speaker 2: the gym and they just start like squatting, benching, pull ups, whatever,
Speaker 2: the usual stuff like the five by five programs that
Speaker 2: are super common and things like that. One hundred percent
Speaker 2: those people, as their muscles are getting bigger and stronger,
Speaker 2: and just as importantly, they're getting better at recruiting these
Speaker 2: fast twitch fibers. They'll be at the range and they'll
Speaker 2: be like, man, this is sweet. I'm going to be
Speaker 2: ten miles an hour faster in no time. I'm only
Speaker 2: lifting three weeks and I'm like four miles an hour up.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. Then all of a sudden, the lifting
Speaker 2: gains stop or massively slow down, and so does the
Speaker 2: transfer to speed. And one of the reasons why that
Speaker 2: happens is that there is what's called a specicificy element
Speaker 2: to strength training, and what that means is that the
Speaker 2: transfer that we get from one activity to the other
Speaker 2: isn't perfect. Something's transfer more, something's transfer less. And as
Speaker 2: are let's say, percentage of our potential changes and we
Speaker 2: get closer to our genetic potential, the amount of transfer
Speaker 2: we get from things starts to slow down, and that's
Speaker 2: when training kind of needs to change a little bit
Speaker 2: if we want to keep improving. Yeah, Like let's just say, Martie,
Speaker 2: like you've been told the hexperre deadlift, Like you said,
Speaker 2: I know you've done a lot is really good for
Speaker 2: helping increase speed potential, but you're af forgetting to a
Speaker 2: point where you can. You've spent years developing it. It's
Speaker 2: hard for you to get stronger at it. And let's
Speaker 2: say your max is four hundred pounds, Like, think of
Speaker 2: how much time and effort and fatigue you'd pick up
Speaker 2: to bring that to like four forty. That might take
Speaker 2: six months, and during that period you're never really going
Speaker 2: to be fresh where you can do speed training sessions
Speaker 2: or high higher speed exercises that are more similar to
Speaker 2: the swing and might have higher transfer. And if we
Speaker 2: just said, Marty, this strength for now is fine, good enough,
Speaker 2: we've noticed that, like it's not really causing much transfer,
Speaker 2: but hey, you've spent very little of your training time
Speaker 2: working on things like swinging your driver as fast as
Speaker 2: you can for x number of reps three times per week.
Speaker 2: And that's a shift in training that like, I guess
Speaker 2: I've been seeing more of or trying to think about
Speaker 2: more of lately, because what's become clear is that like
Speaker 2: the training that works at first does not work forever.
Speaker 2: And also if you're as you get more advanced, you
Speaker 2: can't improve at everything. At the same time, the beginner
Speaker 2: can crush themselves trying to get better at let's say
Speaker 2: they're heavy strength training, and they can also get better
Speaker 2: at their faster light stuff but then, if you know,
Speaker 2: go to the other end of the spectrum where it's
Speaker 2: somebody who's been training for five or ten years. This
Speaker 2: is where like the term say like periodization gets important
Speaker 2: because I don't want anybody to listen and be like, no, Mike,
Speaker 2: say that we should stop working on strength, we should
Speaker 2: work on speed. Well, like no, maybe where you are
Speaker 2: in your training, let's say career, you should keep working
Speaker 2: at both of them. And that's what a lot of
Speaker 2: beginners need to do. But let's, for example, you and
Speaker 2: Shane are like, Okay, you've just played a golf season,
Speaker 2: and this happens with the pros and amateurs all the time.
Speaker 2: So both of your strength levels are probably down relative
Speaker 2: to where they have been in the past because you've
Speaker 2: been busy practicing and playing. But now your off season
Speaker 2: just started, so I might say, hey, Marty, we can
Speaker 2: get your strength levels back up to where they were
Speaker 2: in like six weeks. No panic, So let's prioritize strength
Speaker 2: for six weeks. We'll still keep working on your speed
Speaker 2: so that you're not completely getting away from it. But
Speaker 2: then for the six weeks before the season when you
Speaker 2: want to be getting faster because you don't care how
Speaker 2: strong you are in season, you care how what your
Speaker 2: ball speed is.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So now let's transfer to where we put more of
Speaker 2: an emphasis on speed. That's where we ramp up the volume.
Speaker 2: We'll just do a tiny bit of strength to make
Speaker 2: sure you don't get weaker now the season starts. Competitive
Speaker 2: golf is your priority, We'll put both of them on maintenance.
Speaker 2: And then what we're hoping is, if I'm working with
Speaker 2: you for two, three, four seasons, is that we're on
Speaker 2: like a stepways progression where you are now starting next
Speaker 2: season's off season at a slightly higher point than you
Speaker 2: were for the same time last year, and we're just
Speaker 2: building on it. And then when we go into your
Speaker 2: speed stuff, you're at a slightly higher level hopefully than
Speaker 2: you were at that time last year, and that's kind
Speaker 2: of the goal you're looking for.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating, Mike. I mean again, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is like scratching the surface level stuff with so
Speaker 1: many people in terms of fitness. But you've mentioned your
Speaker 1: socials a little bit. Obviously, you've mentioned you know, the
Speaker 1: app everything, but could you fill people in on where
Speaker 1: they can follow you, where they can check out everything
Speaker 1: that you're doing. Subscribe to Fit for Golf. Can you
Speaker 1: just kind of clue people.
Speaker 2: In and all that. Yeah. So the two social media
Speaker 2: platforms are Instagram and Twitter, probably a lot more on Twitter.
Speaker 2: The handles are the same at fit Underscore for Underscore Golf.
Speaker 2: My website is Fit for Golf Dot app, and the
Speaker 2: app is also called the Fit for Golf App. Something
Speaker 2: important about the app is that for the last seven
Speaker 2: or eight months, I've been getting a new app built
Speaker 2: that will be released in January, so there'll be some
Speaker 2: changes coming there, but anyone who signs up to the
Speaker 2: current app will transfer to the new one if they
Speaker 2: if they.
Speaker 1: Don't want to wait, Mike, I know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do after the call. I'm gonna grab my stack system
Speaker 1: and just go swing in the garage right now.
Speaker 2: Just make sure just make sure you warm up, warm up.
Speaker 1: We appreciate this. We got to have you back on
Speaker 1: at some point and maybe dive into you know, getting
Speaker 1: into the season or mid season things like that. I
Speaker 1: love what you said in terms of postseason recovery and
Speaker 1: trying to maybe figure out plans for the next year.
Speaker 1: So we'll have you back on soon and maybe chat
Speaker 1: about a different time of the year, but very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: We appreciate the time. My pleasure. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Jane, Yeah, thanks, Mike.
Speaker 2: My pleasure. Marthee, thanks a lot.
Speaker 1: So interesting, Mike, so much stuff to consume and like
Speaker 1: I said, time to go swing it outside. This is
Speaker 1: the Being Proving Grounds podcast