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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: Shane Bay and join us always by Marty Jerts, and

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Speaker 1: we've got an exciting guest today. Marty, a guy that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike and I go back a little ways. Is

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Speaker 3: it kind of helped me along my own personal journey

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Speaker 3: to get as Mike's brand is fit for golf, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much for inviting me. Guys, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: Mike. How did you get into this world? How did

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Speaker 2: And I was always very interested in health and fitness

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Speaker 2: have access to, you know, a professional in their area

434
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Speaker 2: that can basically provide them with that service, and to

435
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: be honest, if they do, it's often very expensive. So

436
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: how I started was essentially just I would write a

437
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: program and for each exercise in the program, just trying

438
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: to think of regressions and progressions. So, like Shane Menson say,

439
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: like squatting earlier as an offseason exercise, like it's that's

440
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: something that I would say is pretty universally good for

441
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: people to do. Barrings some you know, a major injury

442
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: that doesn't allow them to do so I'm probably gonna

443
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: want most golfers I work with to squat or something

444
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 2: similar because it's really good for lower body strength and power,

445
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: which is beneficial for producing speed and potentially reducing injury.

446
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: If I have somebody who's never worked out before, is

447
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: maybe carrying a lot of excess weight and they have

448
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: some reservations about exercising, they might be doing a squat

449
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: where they're holding onto a countertop to assist them going

450
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: down where they can use their arms to offload themselves

451
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: a little bit. Or you might see people doing it

452
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: holding like a TRX strap or something like that, so

453
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: like they're not even squatting against all of their body weight.

454
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: Whereas if it is a D one college golfer who's

455
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: just had four years of working with a strength and

456
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: conditioning staff and they're like, Mike, I'm at one fifteen speed,

457
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: but I think if I can get to one to

458
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: twenty one, like I'm gonna have a huge advantage. Well,

459
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: now you're starting to deal with things where you know,

460
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: you might be squeezing the sponge a little bit more dry,

461
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: and you're probably still going to have them do some

462
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: sort of squat, but their squat might turn into like

463
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: they might be doing a squat jump, holding fifty pounds,

464
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: dumbels or something like that. You know, so very similar

465
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: movement pattern, very similar let's say adaptation you're looking for,

466
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: but you just meet them where they are. I guess,

467
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: kind of like club fitting Marty. You know, it's like

468
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: I have a kind of picture of what I want

469
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: this person to be able to do, but like this

470
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: driver is going to work for you know, your kid

471
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: that's just after finishing college, whereas this might be for

472
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: grandad kind of thing. You know, it's basically the same

473
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: idea and just just scaling from there. And I think

474
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: where people especially I would say, like with it's hypocritical

475
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: because like my business is on social media and my

476
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: job is to try and garner people's attention so I

477
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: can sell my programs. But I think it's become more

478
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: common to try and convince people that they might have

479
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: problems that are unique to them that other people don't have,

480
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: and as a solution, there's some very highly specialized exercise

481
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: or program that's perfect for them, which I just don't

482
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: really agree is the case. Even if you go through

483
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: as thorough a screening or assessment protocol as you want,

484
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: like training is still really a little bit of trial

485
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: and error getting started. You basically just start on the

486
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: conservative side with something you think is probably a little

487
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: bit too easy. Was that okay, yeah, perfect, Okay, let's

488
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: try the next level? Was that okay, okay great? And

489
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: after doing that a couple of times, it's sort of

490
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: like a Goldilocks principle. You get into the sweet spot

491
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: where you want to be, and then from there it's

492
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: just slowly progressing. And then what's been a big part

493
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: of it is like literally replying to people's questions that

494
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: they send in through the app, like hey, like, how

495
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: do I modify this exercise because I fell skiing last

496
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: week and my knee is killing me? Or this where

497
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: I work out doesn't have this piece of equipment, like

498
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: what can I do instead? You know, That's that's kind

499
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: of where I would say, like the individual individualization has

500
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: come as just answering questions for people.

501
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: Mike, what's a big misconception people have about fitness and golf?

502
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: What's something that when you talk to newbies to the gym.

503
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: What's something that you feel like most people maybe don't

504
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: understand or almost always approach you that's wrong.

505
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: What's the time limit on this podcast?

506
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: We can go. We got we got plenty of times.

507
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 2: I don't have to pick up my kids an hour

508
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: and a half. Let's it go. I think there's two

509
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: that stand out like above all else. Number one is

510
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: that lifting is going to hurt you, Like there's definitely

511
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: an assumption out there in some circles that like lifting

512
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: equals injury, and I think it's it's like any other

513
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: type of physical activity. If you do too much too soon,

514
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: literally if that's walking, if you build up your steps,

515
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: if you build up your step count too quickly, like

516
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: you're gonna get healing achilles pain. I promise you, like,

517
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: go go on a hiking trip unprepared or a long

518
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: walking trip unprepared, and the most basic of activities you

519
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: will start to pick up an injury. It's the same

520
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: with weaight training. But we know from like as much

521
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: research as you want to look at, it's one of

522
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: the best things that we can do for maintaining or

523
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: improving our physical function as we age. And to be honest, like, yeah,

524
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: I love helping golfers improve their speed, but most let's

525
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: say recreational golfers, like who really cares if they're at

526
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: ninety eight versus one oh one miles an hour to

527
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: a certain extent, but if they're able to be in

528
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: way better health and physical condition long term, maybe they

529
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: can maintain that ninety eight miles longer for seven or

530
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: eight years more in their golfing life. And that's where

531
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: like strength resistance training becomes really important. And then the

532
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: other one is probably that like strength training or lifting

533
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: weights is going to lead to reduced flexibility. And people

534
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: have you know, the image of the gigantic bodybuilder in

535
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: their head, bulging with muscles, saying that you know that

536
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: guy couldn't rotate or couldn't scratch his back, which if

537
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: you ask them so, they actually probably could. It just

538
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: doesn't look that way. But there's that like if you

539
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: think of doing a let's say, strength training exercise through

540
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: as big a range of motion as you can in

541
00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: that particular movement that's essentially a loaded stretch, like you

542
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: you can improve your mobility and strength at the same

543
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: time with resistance training. And they're the two I would

544
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: say that people are most worried about is that, no,

545
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to get stronger, I just want to

546
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: get more flexible. Any adult that doesn't lift weights, I

547
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: would say actually probably does need to think about getting stronger,

548
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: because if you're not, you're just gradually losing muscle mass

549
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: and that ends up catastrophic for health over the course

550
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: of decades. And the added bonus is that you can

551
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: do both at the same time. You can improve flexibility

552
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: and strength through strength training. And in terms of the

553
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: other one getting hurt. Sure, you can get hurt lifting weights.

554
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: You can get hurt from doing anything, and you can

555
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: get hurt from doing nothing. People wake up with aches

556
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: and pains, or they hurt themselves picking up the kids'

557
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: school bag or whatever. You know, they're probably the two

558
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: biggest ones. There's some more that you could dig into.

559
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: It's a long list, and to be honest, I think

560
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: the reason it's a long list is something that you

561
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: touched on earlier is that this is quite new in

562
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: terms of being a thing in golf, and it makes

563
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: it quite interesting for say, trying to research and learn

564
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: from people who are more experienced and let's say, smarter

565
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: than you. And I'm by no means saying that I'm

566
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: the smartest or most experienced or best trainer in golf,

567
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: but there's very few people have been doing it for

568
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: a long time or have really been applying like their

569
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: whole careers to it. So we almost need to go

570
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: and look for other look to other sports for guidance,

571
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: and I think in golf by far the best places

572
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: we can go our track and field because those sports,

573
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: the coach's job is they're given feedback by a tape

574
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: measure or a stopwatch, and those sports were also in

575
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: the Olympics. And if a sport is in the Olympics,

576
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: it's major political bragging rights, which sounds kind of off course,

577
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: but it means that there's tons of resources pumped into

578
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: them by countries governments, which means that you get exceptionally

579
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: good coaches, you get lots of research and studies. And

580
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: if you combine that with the fact that the athletes

581
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: are getting objective feedback about hey, how much further did

582
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: you throw the javelin from this from this training program

583
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: or what exercises had the biggest correlation with this jump height,

584
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: there are things that can be really really informative, whereas

585
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: when you go into field sports or sports that have

586
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of let's say more external and variable factors involved,

587
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: it gets really tough. Like even for example, the NFL

588
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: combine does a bad job of finding which players are

589
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: going to be the best on the field because there's

590
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: just there's just so much more to sports where there's

591
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: millions of things going on. You can't boil down to

592
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, jumping and you know, sprinting around cones and

593
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: things like that. But if we take the main thing,

594
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: I would say that you can improve in golf as

595
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: a trainer, Like it's I think I think for performance

596
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: why it's like if you take away like, Okay, we

597
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: don't want them to be injured, we want them to

598
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: be able to make the swings that them and their

599
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: coaches want to do. But after that, it's really like

600
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: how much speed do you have? Like it really is

601
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: the way things are going. And when that's the case, well,

602
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: then like we're using speed as our feedback test, and

603
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: now how are our training programs basically enhancing that as

604
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: long as we're keeping the other things lined up?

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: Basically, Mike, there was so much in there that was

606
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: so good and so interesting. I think one one of

607
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: the regrets I've had in my life is probably spending

608
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: too much time practicing fifty yard web shots when I

609
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: rarely have that shot on the course, And the other

610
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: one is static stretching. I think if I had to

611
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: go back in time, nowadays, I love doing like Jefferson

612
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: curls and kettlebell windmills, and my hamstring flexibility is improved

613
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: dramatically and I feel great. What are some other exercises

614
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: there that you can take to end range to improve

615
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: your flexibility that you like?

616
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a good point there i'm stretching is that

617
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: most people think that let's say, lack of mobility is

618
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: because of like tissue, let's say muscle tissue tightness, and

619
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: they think that by stretching they're going to elongate that tissue,

620
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: which doesn't really happen. Like muscle and tending and connective tissue,

621
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: it's just too dense and too strong essentially for that

622
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: to happen to to a great extent. And usually what's

623
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: more commonly the reason for a range of motion being

624
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: restricted is it's something from your brain nervous system saying hey,

625
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable here, Like let's put on the brakes here.

626
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: This doesn't feel so good. I've never been here before,

627
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: I have no strength here before. And don't even think

628
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: about asking me to do it at high force or

629
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: high speed, because that's not going to go help. So

630
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: if you're trying to improve range of motion in a

631
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: certain area, I would say, try and do things as

632
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: much as possible where you are actively moving through that

633
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: range of motion. So, for example, one a simple one

634
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: that I think that I think is great, like is

635
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: one of the biggest, let's say, complaints you get from

636
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: golfers is that they're losing flexibility as they get a

637
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: little bit older and their swing is getting shorter, and

638
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: they show you these various stretches they're doing, maybe lying

639
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: on the ground, they might have a towel pulled over

640
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: a certain part of their leg or something like that.

641
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Whereas something that I think is perfect for that is

642
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: give them a club or a weighted club and tell them, Okay,

643
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: you've got sixty seconds on the clock, and gradually, I

644
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: want you to make practice swings where you go longer

645
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: and longer each time. I want you to get uncomfortably

646
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: slightly uncomfortably longer with how far you're turning, how far

647
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: your hands are going, And all of a sudden it's like, okay,

648
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: this is way more specific to the demands of the

649
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: activity that I'm actually trying to get better at, and

650
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: your brain is also involved, like you have to contract

651
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: the muscles that you need to contract to get back

652
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: to those positions, You need to be in control of

653
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: all the various joints that are involved, and you're also

654
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: just getting more comfortable doing it. It's not that there's

655
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: anything inherently wrong with doing static stretching at all. It'd

656
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: kind of never discourage someone from any form of exercise,

657
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: But all choices we make in training basically are a

658
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: series of trade offs. Like we have a limited amount

659
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: of time, and as soon as we have a specific

660
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: let's say goal or activity that we're trying to work on,

661
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: then just the question as well, how much is this

662
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: transferring to what I'm trying to improve based on my

663
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: opportunity cost basically based on the other things I can

664
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: be doing. And if you think of what the golf

665
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: swing is, it's a one second activity. It's standing on

666
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: our feet, it's happening very quickly, like static stretching is

667
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: is tough to give let's say, a lot of recommendation

668
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: for when we consider some of the other options that

669
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: we have, like even something as simple as like if

670
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: you stand and uprate let's say, in like baseball posture

671
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: or something and hold a four or six pounds medicine

672
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: ball at arm's length in front of you. Practice rotating

673
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: as far as you can in each direction, do something

674
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: like ten or twelve reps each side, trying to go

675
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: as far as you can do that a couple of times. Like,

676
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be way better than you know.

677
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: We see the classic stretch of kind of somebody putting

678
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: their foot up on a bench and trying to touch

679
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: their toes or you know, dragging their arm across their chest.

680
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: It's like, hold on a second here, like that's that's great.

681
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: I know it's what everybody has done forever. But let's

682
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: actually think about what we're what we're trying to improve here,

683
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Mike, that was something i'd written down to ask you.

685
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Was I mean, we all love the idea of showing

686
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: up an hour before our tea time and hitting balls

687
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: and rolling some putts, but the reality is most of

688
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: us show up fifteen minutes before our tea time. And

689
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you had ideas,

690
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: because you know, what used to be a popular warm up,

691
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: if you will that I feel like's kind of gone away.

692
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Was they you know, guys would pull out two clubs

693
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: and swing two clubs like a doughnut on a baseball bat.

694
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: And I feel like, now it is a lot more

695
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: of that. I'm going to bend over, touch my toes

696
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: and try to get ready. Do you have things people

697
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: could do when they only have ten to fifteen minutes

698
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: to prepare for a tea time and they can't go

699
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to the range and hit sixty golf balls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like two sides of the spectrum. When the

701
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: pro guys you brought up are professional golfers, their warm

702
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: up is in the gym for about twenty minutes. They

703
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: go through what's usually termed as like a dynamic warm up,

704
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: where they'll be doing some exercises for loosening out their hips,

705
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: their spy and their shoulders, their neck. Then they might

706
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: do some let's say pretty easy body weight exercises like squats, lunges,

707
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: toe touches, but all for reps, no holding positions. Gradually

708
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: tried to go a bit further getting warmed up, and

709
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: then they'll finish their warm up with some what I

710
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: would call like explosive or powerwork. For example, they might

711
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: do a series like three sets of five vertical jumps

712
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: eight medicine ball slams and eight medicine ball throws off

713
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: a wall or something like that, and they feel like

714
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: that when they go down to the range they could

715
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: take out driver and be at full speed on their

716
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: first swing. The other reason I like that is if

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00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: they're playing let's say five rounds a week, when you

718
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: include practice rounds or whatever in pro ams, that's also

719
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of mobility and power work before every round.

720
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Speaker 2: That adds up over the course of months and over

721
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: course of seasons. Recreational golfers don't have time to do that.

722
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Speaker 2: What I do I play first thing in the morning,

723
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Speaker 2: so like first light, I'm not going to the course

724
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Speaker 2: early to hit balls. I do like a ten minute

725
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: mobility routine at home where I basically go through what

726
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: I just said there. I'm doing some like hip mobility,

727
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: some spy mobility, some like squats lunges, some torso twists,

728
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: and then I take honestly about twenty practice swings on

729
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: the first tee with my driver, like two sets of ten.

730
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Speaker 2: I might do a set at ten that's pretty easy,

731
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: then I do a set at ten that's pretty hard,

732
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: and then I'll take like you know, I'll make sure

733
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Speaker 2: that I have, say like a minute or two to

734
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Speaker 2: get heart rate back down to normal. Then I'll take

735
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: like one or two let's say, normal practice swings when

736
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: it's my turn to hit, and like, honestly, that feels fine,

737
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: Like I get more out of those swings than I

738
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: think I would do in like any stretches on the

739
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Speaker 2: first t to be perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Honest, Mike, do you have that on your website? I mean,

741
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: is that is that a part of part of the

742
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: side of people who're gonna download it and subscribe them

743
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: that you have?

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00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's the main like daily mobility

745
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: slash warm up routine. I have tons of free like

746
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: shortened versions of it on my Twitter or Instagram, and

747
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: I think on my website there's actually a pop up

748
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: where if you enter your email address you get like

749
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: a free five minute golf warm up. And it's one

750
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: that's simple to do with the course because you're standing

751
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: for all of it and the only equipment you use

752
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: as a club things like leg swings back and forth,

753
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: some like helvis twists, some Torso twists. Yeah. The most

754
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: important thing I would say for like a good quality

755
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: warm up is think about think about moving like gradually

756
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: moving through the activity you're about to do, less less

757
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: thinking about stretching out, and more thinking about moving through

758
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: the movement that you're about to do, gradually building up

759
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: the speed. Like, for example, if you're going to do

760
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: a forty yard dash, I don't want to see you

761
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: standing on the side of the track stretching your hamstring.

762
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: I want to see you do fifteen forty yard runs

763
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: going from slow to medium to fast like. That's how

764
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: you prepare for it.

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Speaker 3: Mike for the listener here, I've thought a lot about

766
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: this topic and study this topic just the can you

767
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: and I know this could be its own podcast in itself.

768
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Speaker 3: But the difference between strength training and speed training, you know,

769
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: the high level as simple as you can make it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is that is definitely like a loaded question.

771
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: It's honestly one of my favorite areas to try and

772
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: dig into and I guess get more knowledge in. If

773
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: we think of someone who wants to be able to

774
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: develop the ability to swing faster, okay, we want them

775
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: to have big and strong, fast twitched muscle fibers, and

776
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: we want them to be able to apply the strength

777
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: they have very quickly. And if you look at those

778
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: two things, it gets pretty simple why you want to

779
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: have let's say heavy strength training and light load speed training.

780
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: When we're lifting heavy weights, let's say a weight that

781
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: we could lift for five reps or less, doesn't matter

782
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: what the exercise is, because that weight is challenging relative

783
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: to our strength level. We recruit all of our muscle fibers.

784
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: There's none that we don't use because we need them

785
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: all to kick in to help us move the weight.

786
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: The harder we try and accelerate the weight, the more

787
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: of our fastwitched fibers that we recruit. And one of

788
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: the beneficial adaptations to heavy resistance training is that we

789
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: get better at recruiting these fastwitch fibers. And one of

790
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: the biggest elements of maximum strength is the size of

791
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: our muscle fibers. So with heavy strength training, we learn

792
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: how to recruit our fastwitch fibers, we learn how to

793
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: produce more maximum force, and these fibers also get bigger.

794
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: With speed training, something that we get a lot better

795
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: at is how quickly we can send the signal from

796
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: our brain to the muscles and get those muscles to contract.

797
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: And that's why having the balance of both of them

798
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: is very very ben official. The kind of ven diagram

799
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: of what you want to be really good at is

800
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: you want to have big strong muscles from heavy strength training,

801
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: particularly big fast twitch muscle fibers. But they're the ones

802
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: that tend to grow from strength training anyway, and we

803
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: want to be really really good at our muscles applying

804
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: that force very quickly, which is why, honestly, the most

805
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: important ones to do for golf are specific like speed

806
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: training with swings, because that motor unit firing frequency or

807
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: ray coding, I think is quite specific to a task,

808
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: to a movement pattern. So if we can do it

809
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: through swinging, are things that are similar to swinging, it's

810
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 2: definitely beneficial. And then kind of over time what gets

811
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 2: important is that when people start strength training, they'll notice,

812
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: like all al most a linear increase to clubhead speed.

813
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: Like if you get someone and you get them in

814
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: the gym and they just start like squatting, benching, pull ups, whatever,

815
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: the usual stuff like the five by five programs that

816
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: are super common and things like that. One hundred percent

817
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: those people, as their muscles are getting bigger and stronger,

818
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: and just as importantly, they're getting better at recruiting these

819
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: fast twitch fibers. They'll be at the range and they'll

820
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: be like, man, this is sweet. I'm going to be

821
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: ten miles an hour faster in no time. I'm only

822
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: lifting three weeks and I'm like four miles an hour up.

823
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: This is awesome. Then all of a sudden, the lifting

824
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: gains stop or massively slow down, and so does the

825
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: transfer to speed. And one of the reasons why that

826
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: happens is that there is what's called a specicificy element

827
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: to strength training, and what that means is that the

828
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: transfer that we get from one activity to the other

829
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: isn't perfect. Something's transfer more, something's transfer less. And as

830
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: are let's say, percentage of our potential changes and we

831
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: get closer to our genetic potential, the amount of transfer

832
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: we get from things starts to slow down, and that's

833
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: when training kind of needs to change a little bit

834
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: if we want to keep improving. Yeah, Like let's just say, Martie,

835
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: like you've been told the hexperre deadlift, Like you said,

836
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: I know you've done a lot is really good for

837
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: helping increase speed potential, but you're af forgetting to a

838
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: point where you can. You've spent years developing it. It's

839
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: hard for you to get stronger at it. And let's

840
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: say your max is four hundred pounds, Like, think of

841
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: how much time and effort and fatigue you'd pick up

842
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: to bring that to like four forty. That might take

843
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: six months, and during that period you're never really going

844
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: to be fresh where you can do speed training sessions

845
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: or high higher speed exercises that are more similar to

846
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: the swing and might have higher transfer. And if we

847
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 2: just said, Marty, this strength for now is fine, good enough,

848
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: we've noticed that, like it's not really causing much transfer,

849
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: but hey, you've spent very little of your training time

850
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: working on things like swinging your driver as fast as

851
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: you can for x number of reps three times per week.

852
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: And that's a shift in training that like, I guess

853
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: I've been seeing more of or trying to think about

854
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: more of lately, because what's become clear is that like

855
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: the training that works at first does not work forever.

856
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: And also if you're as you get more advanced, you

857
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: can't improve at everything. At the same time, the beginner

858
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: can crush themselves trying to get better at let's say

859
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: they're heavy strength training, and they can also get better

860
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: at their faster light stuff but then, if you know,

861
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: go to the other end of the spectrum where it's

862
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: somebody who's been training for five or ten years. This

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Speaker 2: is where like the term say like periodization gets important

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Speaker 2: because I don't want anybody to listen and be like, no, Mike,

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Speaker 2: say that we should stop working on strength, we should

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Speaker 2: work on speed. Well, like no, maybe where you are

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Speaker 2: in your training, let's say career, you should keep working

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Speaker 2: at both of them. And that's what a lot of

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Speaker 2: beginners need to do. But let's, for example, you and

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Speaker 2: Shane are like, Okay, you've just played a golf season,

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Speaker 2: and this happens with the pros and amateurs all the time.

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Speaker 2: So both of your strength levels are probably down relative

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Speaker 2: to where they have been in the past because you've

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Speaker 2: been busy practicing and playing. But now your off season

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Speaker 2: just started, so I might say, hey, Marty, we can

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Speaker 2: get your strength levels back up to where they were

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Speaker 2: in like six weeks. No panic, So let's prioritize strength

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Speaker 2: for six weeks. We'll still keep working on your speed

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Speaker 2: so that you're not completely getting away from it. But

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Speaker 2: then for the six weeks before the season when you

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Speaker 2: want to be getting faster because you don't care how

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Speaker 2: strong you are in season, you care how what your

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Speaker 2: ball speed is.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So now let's transfer to where we put more of

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Speaker 2: an emphasis on speed. That's where we ramp up the volume.

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Speaker 2: We'll just do a tiny bit of strength to make

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Speaker 2: sure you don't get weaker now the season starts. Competitive

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Speaker 2: golf is your priority, We'll put both of them on maintenance.

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Speaker 2: And then what we're hoping is, if I'm working with

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Speaker 2: you for two, three, four seasons, is that we're on

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Speaker 2: like a stepways progression where you are now starting next

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Speaker 2: season's off season at a slightly higher point than you

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Speaker 2: were for the same time last year, and we're just

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Speaker 2: building on it. And then when we go into your

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Speaker 2: speed stuff, you're at a slightly higher level hopefully than

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Speaker 2: you were at that time last year, and that's kind

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Speaker 2: of the goal you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: It's so fascinating, Mike. I mean again, I feel like

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Speaker 1: this is like scratching the surface level stuff with so

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Speaker 1: many people in terms of fitness. But you've mentioned your

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Speaker 1: socials a little bit. Obviously, you've mentioned you know, the

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Speaker 1: app everything, but could you fill people in on where

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Speaker 1: they can follow you, where they can check out everything

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Speaker 1: that you're doing. Subscribe to Fit for Golf. Can you

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Speaker 1: just kind of clue people.

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Speaker 2: In and all that. Yeah. So the two social media

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Speaker 2: platforms are Instagram and Twitter, probably a lot more on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: The handles are the same at fit Underscore for Underscore Golf.

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Speaker 2: My website is Fit for Golf Dot app, and the

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Speaker 2: app is also called the Fit for Golf App. Something

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Speaker 2: important about the app is that for the last seven

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Speaker 2: or eight months, I've been getting a new app built

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Speaker 2: that will be released in January, so there'll be some

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Speaker 2: changes coming there, but anyone who signs up to the

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Speaker 2: current app will transfer to the new one if they

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Speaker 2: if they.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to wait, Mike, I know what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do after the call. I'm gonna grab my stack system

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Speaker 1: and just go swing in the garage right now.

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Speaker 2: Just make sure just make sure you warm up, warm up.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate this. We got to have you back on

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Speaker 1: at some point and maybe dive into you know, getting

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Speaker 1: into the season or mid season things like that. I

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Speaker 1: love what you said in terms of postseason recovery and

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Speaker 1: trying to maybe figure out plans for the next year.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have you back on soon and maybe chat

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Speaker 1: about a different time of the year, but very fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate the time. My pleasure. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Jane, Yeah, thanks, Mike.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure. Marthee, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, Mike, so much stuff to consume and like

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Speaker 1: I said, time to go swing it outside. This is

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Speaker 1: the Being Proving Grounds podcast