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<v Speaker 1>So I have a tradition with the kids basically for

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday that every year on my actual birthday, we

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<v Speaker 1>go to CPK.

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<v Speaker 2>And which is for the uninitiated California.

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<v Speaker 3>Cornia Pizza Kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Or did they change the name? Is it like one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things like it is? Is it like KFC

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<v Speaker 2>now just KFC. They don't even call it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's true, like they legally changed it.

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<v Speaker 5>Dunkin Donuts. I think it's just it's just Duncan, d

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<v Speaker 5>and d or Duncan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just Duncan, I know, right, Yeah, every everything's had

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<v Speaker 1>to be modern and refreshed.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, because they don't want to be known

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<v Speaker 4>for just the one thing, because Duncan obviously became.

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<v Speaker 2>More of a coffee spot than a donut spot.

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<v Speaker 4>So really it's like Taco Bell should just be come

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<v Speaker 4>bell to the bell, tacos.

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<v Speaker 2>They got burritos.

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<v Speaker 3>They think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dunkin Donuts going to Duncan is actually really smart because

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<v Speaker 1>especially like coffee is what you dunk your donuts, and

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<v Speaker 1>so like Dunkin Donuts, Dunkin Yeah, it's perfect, but.

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<v Speaker 4>They complete, Yeah, they had to rebrand because they weren't

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<v Speaker 4>just a donuts place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not positive about the CPK whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>it still is known as California Pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they throughout the country or is that only in California.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other places I don't know about it throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the country, but they're not only in California.

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<v Speaker 6>It might be like In and Out where there's a

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<v Speaker 6>couple couple spots.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I think I've only been once with Fade with

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<v Speaker 4>Fred Savage on a lunch break Savage because it was

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<v Speaker 4>on lunch break, So it must have been when we

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<v Speaker 4>were shooting that Everyone Loves Stewart episode when he was acting,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe it was when he was directed. But there's

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<v Speaker 4>a group of us like I feel like you guys

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<v Speaker 4>were probably there too, but we all went to CPK

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember just being like, barbecue chicken pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that what they're known for us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's one of the first things they became famous

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<v Speaker 1>for was that barbecue chicken pizza is so good. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are cpks in Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 1>and Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>Connecticut on the Yeah, So it's not just like a

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<v Speaker 4>West Coast thing like In and Out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so keeps going Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. Okay, so yeah, get go go to CPK anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to CPK and and there's I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not an ad.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't sponsor us. We get obviously nothing should. But

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<v Speaker 3>boy do I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love barbecue chicken on pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't eat barbecue chicken.

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<v Speaker 6>Picka from the guy who puts.

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<v Speaker 2>They also put pizza.

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<v Speaker 6>So your opinion matters not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You want candy on your pizza.

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<v Speaker 6>It's degree. I'm a pro pine wrong, there's no debate.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not even opinion thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what makes pizza pizza.

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<v Speaker 6>Pineapple is what makes pizza pizza.

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<v Speaker 4>Because here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the you

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<v Speaker 4>know what it does. If it's an average to bad pizza,

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<v Speaker 4>it's better with pineapple, like like, it will be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not just I will not mind?

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<v Speaker 6>Why not just Eminem's on your pizza or.

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<v Speaker 2>Ras chocolate Milt. I agree, dude, it tastes like candy,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what makes it great. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't make the rules. I just enjoyed them.

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<v Speaker 6>What did you do on your birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, I really love I really love fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday's over. It's time to fight argue.

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<v Speaker 1>About pineapple bezza. I do love pineapple on pizza. But

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<v Speaker 1>I could go either way. I could go either way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not like, I'm not willing to die on the

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<v Speaker 1>hill of pineapple and pizza, but I do enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>So listen to each their own.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like whether you put peanut butter on

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<v Speaker 1>one half of your slice of bread or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Intolerant. I'm accepting of all pizza types. But will is.

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<v Speaker 6>And there's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was one thing I really wanted before CPK,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a nap. I had been out of

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<v Speaker 1>town the weekend before my birthday. We had gone to

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas for the Steve Rangala, and so, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>had some late nights and we drove, so I had Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>It was we didn't do the smart thing and get

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<v Speaker 1>up super early and leave before traffic. We like left

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time everyone leaves.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, so it took us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we left at like eleven fifteen in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We got home at five pm. Week you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was tired from that and then I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>worked on Monday, and then Tuesday my birthday. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I got to do a podcast in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I have a pitch meeting at three pm

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<v Speaker 1>in the afternoon. I've got a long stretch from like

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<v Speaker 1>eleven am to three What am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 3>I want a nap.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so that's what I did.

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<v Speaker 6>On your side, you go dark room, walk me through

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<v Speaker 6>it like run a date. What did you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Here's how I did my nap. For my night's sleep

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<v Speaker 3>and my sleep health.

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<v Speaker 1>I am very big on making sure I have my

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<v Speaker 1>pillow cube and my Manta sleep mask.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, not adds.

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<v Speaker 1>These are just things I love and I make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see a single drop of light. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that for naps. I can't sleep without my pillow cube.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only pillow I use. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if I put the eyemask on for a nap, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not ever waking up.

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<v Speaker 6>No, You're just going back to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going back to bed for another seven to

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours. So I sleep with no eyemask during the

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<v Speaker 1>day because I want the natural light to be like

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as not my body's rested.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to wake up right.

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<v Speaker 6>You're in your bed, though you're not on a couch.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, I don't copy that.

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<v Speaker 3>I never sleep on the couch.

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<v Speaker 6>That is for sitting only one.

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen's not that way. Jensen loves to take a nap

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<v Speaker 1>on the couch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll nap wherever.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but on the couch is the same as the

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<v Speaker 5>equivalent of pineapple on your pizza.

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<v Speaker 6>I copy that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want my nap to last more than

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I'm going to health that way you used

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<v Speaker 4>to that, because I feel worse if I go like

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<v Speaker 4>that hour.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the problem with a good, solid, multi hour

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<v Speaker 1>nap is that then you wake up and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to like start all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, oh my gosh, I need another cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm super groggy. I'm a little cranky.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was so tired yesterday I just decided I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm going to go with it, and so I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I took a glorious nap, and then I woke up

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<v Speaker 1>on my own accord. I responded to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>happy birthday texts, I did my my other meeting that

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<v Speaker 1>I had at three, and then we went and picked

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<v Speaker 1>up the kids and went to CPK. I had something

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<v Speaker 1>that writer will probably also not like. I had the

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<v Speaker 1>Toastada pizza It's wonderful, which is thin, crispy crust, melted

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<v Speaker 1>Monterey Jack, cheese, black beans, salsa, a pizza, taco salad, avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay with it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Delicious, recognizably pizza that is that is tomato sauce.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just happens to one thing you don't like

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<v Speaker 4>on it. But this is a whole nother.

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<v Speaker 5>Cheating it to a whole other realm at this point,

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<v Speaker 5>so my brother Gary anymore, my oldest brother Gary, when

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<v Speaker 5>he finished college, decided to buy a motorcycle out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 5>never ridden a motorcycle in his life, drive it all

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<v Speaker 5>the way across country to California and get a job.

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<v Speaker 6>And where did you get a job? CPK? And so

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<v Speaker 6>when he left, he taught us how to make all

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<v Speaker 6>the pizzas.

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<v Speaker 5>So I still sue and I do barbecue chicken pizza

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<v Speaker 5>night or one they don't have on the menu anymore,

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<v Speaker 5>which is my favorite in the world is the b

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<v Speaker 5>LT pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I used to love that one. Anything with avocado

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<v Speaker 1>on it, I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>In it's so good. So it's lettuce. Yeah, you do.

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<v Speaker 6>You do the lettuce on the side, then you put

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<v Speaker 6>it on top of the p I'm a big fan.

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<v Speaker 5>It's dude, and you're gonna be like, wait, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 5>what I'm talking about. One of my favorite things in

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<v Speaker 5>the world is a combination of hot and cold at

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<v Speaker 5>the same time.

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<v Speaker 6>HAVE always loved it.

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<v Speaker 5>So the cold lettuce on top of the nice hot

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<v Speaker 5>slice of pizza with the bacon and the cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I realized I just said anything with avocado, and

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<v Speaker 1>you had said b lt. I have never eaten a

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<v Speaker 1>b LT without adding avocado to me, Yeah, I caught

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<v Speaker 1>a black l T a b LT A caught a blat,

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<v Speaker 1>you can call it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so good in your mouth. Yeah, your mouth right

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<v Speaker 6>there on the list. But did you did you dream

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<v Speaker 6>during your nap? Were you like asleep again?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was definitely asleep, and yes, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I dreamt, but I don't remember what it is now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think when I woke up, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a weird dream.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was. It was pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I have I told you that I topped

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<v Speaker 1>the whole birthday experience off with something you just mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>hot and cold at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>A warm buttercake.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, with French fine ice cream on top.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like cake cake because I don't like cake.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like that. But it is like a pound cake.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's not like frosting cake.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, steak cake, like traditional birthday cake, which I can't stand.

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<v Speaker 2>I can agree. Okay, we all go.

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<v Speaker 5>Like a good pound cake, or like the buttercake, or

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<v Speaker 5>an olive oil cake like the I think Mastros makes

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<v Speaker 5>an incredible olive oil cake. And this place called Milo

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<v Speaker 5>and Olive that makes a buttercake that is just out

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<v Speaker 5>freaking standing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's delicious, but so it's.

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<v Speaker 6>It's salivating over here, and I want to nap. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know which.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know which laziness to sensate at this point,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I should gorge myself or go

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<v Speaker 5>back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm now forty five, and.

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<v Speaker 4>You woke up from the nap and you were forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>She went to bed. It was still nineteen ninety three exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen and I then we're talking. We were walking through

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<v Speaker 1>them all because you know that's where we went to

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<v Speaker 1>CPK and and I said, he said, so do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel forty five? And I said I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know why.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, well, forty five's when I really

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<v Speaker 1>started to feel bad.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, thanks, this isn't only forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>He's my forty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going going to be forty seven. He's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be forty seven this November.

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<v Speaker 7>So he's yeah, you all believe in so forty forty one,

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<v Speaker 7>forty two, you're in your early forties, forty three, forty four,

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<v Speaker 7>forty No, Actually I think it's forty forty to forty

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<v Speaker 7>three is early.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty four or forty five. Five for forty six is

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<v Speaker 3>mid forty.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're still so forty forty forty forty still mid forties.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm just laid for No. I think after

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<v Speaker 4>forty I think it's just five plus.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be late forties this December. When you turn fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven. You can start saying late forties if you want.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to be early fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you're actually going to be fifty.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Yes, that's that's a different thing, just saying fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when you're on that, you're on the milestone.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah you that, They're like, oh my god, you made it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a friend who was yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have a friend who was like, because Alex,

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<v Speaker 4>my wife turned fifty, and this friend I was saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to celebrate a birthday, she was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, it's so much better the second you turn fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>Then everybody comments about how great you look, whereas like

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<v Speaker 4>when you're forty nine, it's like, yeah, oh you're just

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<v Speaker 4>that age.

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<v Speaker 2>When you turn fifty and everyone's shocked. Yeah, good for fifty.

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<v Speaker 5>I get I'm getting to the point, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>quite there, but I'm getting to the point where when

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<v Speaker 5>I fall, people will be concerned as opposed to laughing.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like your window.

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<v Speaker 6>But you fall forty, everyone's like, that's hysterical. You fall

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<v Speaker 6>at fifteen, people are like, oh my god, you are.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a big difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you need surgery?

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<v Speaker 6>Are you all right? I heard a pop?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you get up for the record at forty five. Currently,

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<v Speaker 1>where I stand right now, I feel better maybe than

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<v Speaker 1>I ever have. I feel like great, good for you.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel the same way. Actually, yeah, I feel the

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<v Speaker 6>same way, Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Amazing physically or psychologically or all of the above.

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<v Speaker 3>All of the above, okay, the host for you, I

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<v Speaker 3>would agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Even pysically, I feel really like, you know, are there

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<v Speaker 1>things of course, like every now and then, do I

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<v Speaker 1>get those little neck twinges where I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>My neck's a little sore. Sure, but guess what. I

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<v Speaker 3>had those occasionally in my twenties too.

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had little things that pop up every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then where you're like, huh, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>have uneven hips sometimes that does. That's not a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that only happened to me with age. That's something I

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<v Speaker 1>experienced at random times throughout any decade of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like I still have energy. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm more in tune with what my body needs

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<v Speaker 1>more than ever, which is like when yesterday I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I am tired, I do have the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to take a nap, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>affect my sleep last night, like I knew my body

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<v Speaker 1>needed that, And then now I feel great. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just where I didn't used to be that way, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I wasn't necessary reading my body cues as a big.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of this is you probably are in the best

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<v Speaker 4>shape of your life thanks to Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 6>True super.

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<v Speaker 2>For nine months at this point.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, nine months of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like pure physical, like exer. You've been doing really well.

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<v Speaker 1>And it started slightly before Dancing with the Stars, because

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<v Speaker 1>it started when I was going to start taking to

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<v Speaker 1>moxifen and my doctor said, the best thing I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you is that the worst side effect you might

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<v Speaker 1>deal with physically is that it causes joint It can

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<v Speaker 1>cause joint pain and muscle aches, and the only real

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<v Speaker 1>cure for it is consistent exercise. And so before I

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<v Speaker 1>started to moxifen, I was like, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get into the gym and I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>To stay consistent with it because I want to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on this medication for five years because it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lowers my risk of recurrence by fifty percent. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do everything I can to make that easy

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<v Speaker 1>on myself. So it started really in January of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, you know, like I.

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<v Speaker 5>Really was like, you can take coke ten too, because

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<v Speaker 5>coke ten is also really good for joint because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not this is oh my god, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 4>God, guys, we're talking about Can.

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<v Speaker 2>We please like things? I always say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, do we need three things? I say, travel?

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<v Speaker 4>Do we talk to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>And then food? Yes? Yes, the medical story things.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, we don't. So it's small right now.

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<v Speaker 6>It's audience is grow.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to know this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone knows we're old. They're also old. Let's please daniel

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<v Speaker 4>took a nap. That's a great story. Please don't care

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<v Speaker 4>about what coconut oil you're putting on your.

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<v Speaker 2>Joint pain you kid, whatever it is, pineapple, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be down.

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<v Speaker 1>On the record.

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<v Speaker 3>Writer hates supplements. So just so you guys know there,

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<v Speaker 3>you know there are we have.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have argument medicines.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, vitamins are not pseudo medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Geez, I didn't say vitamins supplements.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan of pseudo science. Let's move on.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have to labor this. Boy, We've already had

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen minutes of research chatter.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, I'm right strong, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Love mad old angry Rider.

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<v Speaker 4>Birthday, birthday, Danielle Well, she took goddamn nap. Good for you,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, welcome to red Weather recap. I'm not really

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<v Speaker 4>sure why we're doing this. Are we doing this because

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<v Speaker 4>hold on? Are we doing this because people have demanded it?

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<v Speaker 4>Or have you guys just demanded this?

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<v Speaker 1>I demanded it, Okay, Will demanded it. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. And also, we have had so many

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<v Speaker 1>fans who have loved great the Red Weather and after

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many times you said our regular

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<v Speaker 1>pod meets World fans are going to hate this.

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<v Speaker 3>But you've said at least you said it at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten times while you were talking about the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>we kept saying, no, I don't think I think you're wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was pleasantly surprised with how much crossover there was,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think I I think I knew that there

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<v Speaker 4>would be a certain contingent of our fans that would

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<v Speaker 4>like it. But yes, the the feedback has been overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 4>positive and heart warming and awesome. And yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 4>am so thankful for our listeners who have given it

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<v Speaker 4>a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't given it a chance, you probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to listen to this episode maybecause.

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<v Speaker 4>We're probably going to be spoiling a lot of it

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<v Speaker 4>just by recapping the episodes and talking about what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you haven't listened to The Red Weather, you

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<v Speaker 4>like true crime, you like mysteries, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like me, give it a listen.

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<v Speaker 6>At least at least the first two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at least the first couple of.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have to say, at least the first two.

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<v Speaker 5>They've got to like, they've got to like mysteries.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't really have to.

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<v Speaker 6>Like to like writer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Writer, Where where did this idea come from? Will

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<v Speaker 1>you tell people about your love for true crime?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I yeah, I mean I love all things, all podcasts,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like I mean, that's part of the reason

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<v Speaker 4>why I came up with the idea for Podmeats World

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<v Speaker 4>was because I've been listening to podcasts since two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>You were eight.

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<v Speaker 5>We've talked about this. You were the first time I

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<v Speaker 5>think I'd ever heard the word podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like the first podcast that I really got into,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think is part of why I was optimistic

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<v Speaker 4>about Pod Meets World was it was called Skeptics Guide

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<v Speaker 4>to the Universe, and it was you know, anti pseudoscience podcasts.

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<v Speaker 4>But the whole idea was that it was a group

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<v Speaker 4>of really smart scientists sitting around talking about medical facts

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, diving into subjects. But really what you

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<v Speaker 4>came to realize is it was not about what they

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about. It was just about them hanging out,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like, you know, I realized early on was

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<v Speaker 4>like what I liked about podcasts and what I think

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<v Speaker 4>most people like about podcasts, which has turned out to

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<v Speaker 4>be the case, like most podcasts are you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>just discussing a subject in general, and then you just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like that group of people, that group of friends.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, so I've been listening to podcasts forever. This

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<v Speaker 4>because the Red Weather specifically goes back to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>loving this American life and Radio Lab and all those

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<v Speaker 4>sort of you know, and then I really, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>like everybody loved Cereal when that came out, and I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like Cereals what, you know, launched podcasts into the mainstream,

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<v Speaker 4>and it also you know, helped define the culture as

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<v Speaker 4>a true crime culture. I mean, true crime is probably

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<v Speaker 4>the number one subject of all podcasting, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And documentaries I think too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but specifically crime.

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<v Speaker 5>No, that's what I'm saying, documentary crime, true crime for

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<v Speaker 5>documentaries too.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think just true crime is a big fascination.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally, so yeah, So I've just always loved them.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always you know, enjoyed them.

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<v Speaker 4>And I also have tried a lot of fiction podcasts

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<v Speaker 4>and not enjoyed them, mostly because you can tell when

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<v Speaker 4>something is fake very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell when something has had fully added of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sound design, and when actors are recording separately in booths,

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<v Speaker 4>even if they're great actors. There's so many great actors

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<v Speaker 4>out there who do voiceover and who have done a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of fiction podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>My ear just knows when it's fake.

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<v Speaker 4>So I tap out, And I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people feel that way, And so I just had this.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea of like, why don't what if I.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Blair Witchet and sort of get over the

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<v Speaker 4>fictionality by actually making it as non fictional as possible

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of like putting in real people stories from

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<v Speaker 4>my real life, interviewing my real family and inserting those

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<v Speaker 4>with actors and and you know, and helping the actors

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of the writing, and also directing them to

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<v Speaker 4>maintain this level of realism that I hasn't I hadn't

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<v Speaker 4>really heard in a lot of you know, in any

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<v Speaker 4>of the fiction podcasts I listened to.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my initial idea.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I spent a long time writing and interviewing

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<v Speaker 4>friends and compiling the material and it was just super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was a lot of work, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Like so the initial impetus was like, can I basically

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<v Speaker 4>make a movie without having to raise money and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>hire a film crew or whatever. I could just run

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<v Speaker 4>around with microphones because it's really cheap. I didn't use

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<v Speaker 4>any studio time, so nothing was done in studio. Everything

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<v Speaker 4>was either recorded in where I'm recording this or out

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<v Speaker 4>on location with my actors or with friends that I

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<v Speaker 4>was interviewing. Yeah, and then the material itself in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of the like a lot of the material was stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that I had written versions of before. In other words,

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<v Speaker 4>the opening episode, which begins with me receiving a letter

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<v Speaker 4>from a girl who I grew up with who committed

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<v Speaker 4>suicide to that is that is based on a true story,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's also something I've written about since my twenties.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote it originally as a poem, then I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>it as a short story, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the material that ended up up in Red weather. I

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<v Speaker 4>had already sort of written in short story form or

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<v Speaker 4>other forms throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that is partly why it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Really well developed, in the sense that, you know, it

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<v Speaker 4>has a lot of history behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the made up stuff has.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of history behind it because I've already mind

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<v Speaker 4>this material. I already spent time with some of these characters,

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<v Speaker 4>the fake characters.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, so he grew up with a girl who

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<v Speaker 6>ended up killing herself.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that was actually one of my Yeah, the the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of getting a letter from a somebody after they've

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<v Speaker 4>committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>That happened to one of my best friends. He's he is.

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<v Speaker 4>Interviewed in the beginning, actually, so those quotes from him

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<v Speaker 4>are actually about when he actually had this happen to him.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were in our twenties when that happened to him.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't actually know her specifically, so I connected it

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<v Speaker 4>with a girl that I did grow up with. Several

0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.360
<v Speaker 4>girls that I grew up with, I you know, sort

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 4>of made an amalgamation into this one character. But that

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 4>particular story about the letter and the suicide was based

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<v Speaker 4>on an experience that a friend of mine had, So

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<v Speaker 4>again I was able to compile quotes from him about

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 4>that experience, insert my own fictional quotes about that experience,

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 4>and so it feels hopefully very real, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like something that happened to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Was great because where you grew up in the country

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<v Speaker 5>is such a unique area and a vibe all of

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<v Speaker 5>its own in the United States, and very much becomes

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<v Speaker 5>a character of the show. Is just that Northern California vibe.

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<v Speaker 5>Especially in the eighties and the nineties. Was this stuff

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<v Speaker 5>with like having cults around you, or I mean, even

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<v Speaker 5>if you don't want to call it that word, having

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<v Speaker 5>groups around you or communes around you. I mean, is

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<v Speaker 5>that something that was just kind of the norm when

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<v Speaker 5>you were growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, one of my closest friends who

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 4>I interview throughout as Orian did grow up on a

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.439
<v Speaker 4>failed commune, and I've been able to talk to him

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<v Speaker 4>about it. But a lot of other kids that we

0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 4>went to school with were part of I think there

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 4>were about two or three different groups, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I would call them colts, I guess that,

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of them were related biologically because they

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 4>had all you know, there was one guy with a

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of wives who had had children with all these

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<v Speaker 4>So there was a lot of the kids that we

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 4>went to school with where literally I was like their cousins,

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 4>but they're also brother and.

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Sister, like you know, it's that kind of weird confusion.

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<v Speaker 4>And the reality is we never asked anybody about it

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.160
<v Speaker 4>because we were trying to be respectful and like, it's

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<v Speaker 4>only now that I'm like, what was going on with

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 4>that family or what was you know. And then there

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 4>would always be these parties that we would go to,

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 4>not parties, but like if you if you went to

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 4>a friend's house, like a kid from school or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>there would be times when you'd get there and it

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.639
<v Speaker 4>was clear that the adults were on drugs or that

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 4>they're the adults were doing some kind of you know,

0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 4>there was like this like alternative hippie druggie vibe going on,

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember being very uncomfortable, you know, like they'd

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 4>be like naked adults in a hot tub and you'd

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 4>be like, I, you know, I'm just gonna go home.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I remember calling my home and asking to be

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 4>take taken home several times. Yeah, So there was you know,

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 4>there was that that it was around, you know, like

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.679
<v Speaker 4>that sort of and that's a big part of this

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 4>show is I wanted to interrogate that that time period

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<v Speaker 4>both you know, negatively, but also somewhat positively.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that that's kind of where it

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 2>came out, is like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I I find that that time somewhat or

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 4>I find that that culture scary, you know.

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Like the idea of like, uh people.

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<v Speaker 4>Living together or not having like the classic American nuclear family.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I also think that a lot of like

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 4>exposure to interesting ideas, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, I grew up in a very tolerant area.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very gay friendly, It was very open minded

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<v Speaker 4>in so many wonderful ways, and like for all the

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<v Speaker 4>like fear mongering that I do on my own about

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 4>red Weather, within Red Weather, Sebastopol is lovely and like

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 4>most of the people I grew up with are super healthy,

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 4>They're super down to earth. It's an amazing culture of

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 4>like accepting, you know. So I sort of like take

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 4>the most exploitative version of my hometown in a lot

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 4>of ways, like the version of Sebastopol that I created

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 4>for Red Weather is like much more closer to like

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 4>Humboldt County, which was always a little edgier when I

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 4>was growing up, Like if we I used to go

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 4>backpacking up near like the Sinky on Wilderness and Lost Coast,

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 4>and we'd go into those towns and that would be

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 4>a different vibe. And the reason that that was a

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 4>different vibe is because it was truly the heart of

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 4>the marijuana industry, and it was so illegal, right, So

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 4>you had a lot of these people that went up there,

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, in the sort of nineteen sixties seventies hippie moment.

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>They like went up and bought lots of land.

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 4>And was beautiful, and maybe they started communes or they

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 4>just wanted to live off the land like my parents did.

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 4>And then so what happened is that that culture, because

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 4>they primarily were funded by weed, that culture got very

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 4>libertarian and very like isolationist. And so what what started

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 4>as a sort of you know hippie free love, flower child,

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, peace, love and happiness vibe quickly became a

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 4>like paranoid you're going to protect her crops, And so

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 4>culturally what you got was a much edgier sort of

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 4>you know space.

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<v Speaker 6>And I like that.

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 4>I find that space terrifying but also fascinated for stories.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 4>So I you know, so the sebastaball that I've created

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 4>for the Red Weather is sort of like a pushing

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 4>it even further north in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you always have the story set from the very

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>beginning or was any part of it morphing in real

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>time as you went about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I pretty much had the story set, Like as far

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 4>as the mystery, I knew what I wanted, I knew

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 4>who I wanted it to have done it. I knew

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 4>I had the resolution in mind, and then it was

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 4>just a matter of getting there, and.

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:03.479
<v Speaker 2>So I wrote.

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 4>In order to sell it to iHeart, I put together

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.679
<v Speaker 4>a fifteen minute demo which is basically the first fifteen minutes,

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 4>and interviewed some friends about their experiences and compiled the

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 4>real people with a couple of actors, made the fifteen

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 4>minute demo and then out and then I wrote the

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 4>first episode, which was you know, at that time, I

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 4>was thinking like an hour long episode. It was a

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 4>little longer first episode. And then I outlined the.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Rest of the season. So I already had the outline

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>for the season.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I spent about once iHeart optioned the script

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 4>and gave me the green light, I spent like over

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 4>a year writing the scripts.

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<v Speaker 1>We remember we were asking you to go to lunch

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>and you would say, I cannot get I'm writing in

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>my hotel room. And then Will and I got to

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>traverse the country alone.

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I could walk the streets of random towns.

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 3>So we remember how hard you worked on that script.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a lot and super fun and but

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 4>very I would say, like indulgent, because it's.

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, I'm sitting there thinking about my own life.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm writing about real things, but then also trying to

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 4>add in enough present tense mystery to keep it exciting.

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 4>So it's a really interesting process. And like you know,

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 4>and then you're asking, like when you asked about like

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 4>what I discovered, there was a lot that was discovered

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 4>in the process because I would start to go down

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 4>a path story wise and suddenly realized some aspect. You know,

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 4>like one of the big big turns near the end

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 4>is that I did not interview any women that I

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 4>grew up with, and like that ends up being a

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 4>huge plot point. You know that my wife Alex points

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 4>it out to me, and then you know, I recognize

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 4>the sort of casual misogyny of the nineties and how

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 4>that's carried over into my current situation, and that came

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 4>from a real realization where I had already outlined several episodes.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I'd already interviewed several friends, and I was like, I

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 4>haven't interviewed any girls.

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I'm going to lean into that.

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna like, you know, I'm going to actually

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 4>like make that a big story point because I thought

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 4>that was fascinating. And when I was honest with myself,

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I was a little scared too, you know.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 4>I was scared to like interview ex girlfriends or friends

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 4>ex girlfriends, or even if I could find them, even

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 4>if I'm still in touch with them.

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm still in touch with a lot of the guys

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that I grew up with, you know, which.

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 4>Is probably natural, but it fed into the themes of

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 4>this story, which you know, I don't want to ruin anything,

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 4>but ultimately, like, yeah, how.

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 5>Much, now, how much of the dialogue was written and

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 5>how much was kind of you and your actors just

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 5>playing in the moment.

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 4>It totally dependent actor to actor, So there are some

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 4>actors who just I knew would never say anything as

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 4>it was written, And so I did write. I wrote

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 4>every line of dialogue interviews with real family and friends

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 4>I wrote around so I knew that I would get

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 4>like friends. Since the second episode begins with a story

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 4>about my dad's childhood that I you know, he's told

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 4>that story since we were kids, so I in the script,

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 4>I wrote a version of it in my own words,

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 4>but basically was like I was just going to exactly

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 4>detail story where this is what happens, and I knew

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 4>that would happen, and then I could comment on it appropriately.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 4>But then there are some actors who I we would

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 4>get together and they would do the dialogue as written,

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 4>and then it would you know, and.

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>This isn't a knock on some actor.

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 4>Every actor is different, right, Like some actors can say

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 4>word for word verbatim and make it sound so natural

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 4>and human, and in fact, I would say with one

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 4>of my actors who did that, whenever they tried to improvise,

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 4>it was rank false, do you know what I mean?

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Like that?

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 4>So that was the fault, and it's just like no, no, no,

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 4>you need to do this as written.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 2>And then there are other actors.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Who we just had to throughout the script because we'd

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 4>be recording and I'd be like it's not working. They

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 4>would know it's not working. We'd be like, let's try

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 4>it again, and this time. Yeah. Maybe the most fun

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 4>was my friend Chris Lemke, who I wrote the part

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 4>of el Rick, who is the sort of cult leader.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I came upon this idea.

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I could have el Rick's voice,

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 4>because you know, there is a question of like who's

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 4>alive from the case that I want to have in

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 4>the present tense who's dead? And I was like, I

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 4>want this guy to be mysterious, and you know, because

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 4>to me it gets to the heart of like this

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 4>whole question of was it a cult or was it

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 4>a positive commune thing? And so I was like, oh,

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 4>what if I found his lecture tapes? Like what if

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 4>he had like a self help series? And this is

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 4>based on like I definitely know people who've subscribed to

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 4>like tapes where they get these like you know, especially

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 4>back in the day, they would get these self help right.

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, that would be so cool, And

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 4>what if you know, in order to get those tapes

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 4>like I wrote it for like my friend Chris Lemke.

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 4>Is this an incredible actor and I've known him forever

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 4>and he's a very intense guy, and he's very smart,

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, Okay, I'm going to write a

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 4>little bit, you know that I know will help the story.

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 4>But then I'm also just going to give him like

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 4>a tape recorder from the nineteen nineties and be like, hey,

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 4>just record yourself and in character.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>And he he took it.

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 4>And went away for I think it was like six weeks,

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 4>and when I got back, he had filled four tapes

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 4>of lectures for me, and I would say seventy five

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 4>percent of what's in the episode is just him improvising

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 4>in character lectures like he would talk, you know, he

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 4>asked me like for some background information, and we would

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 4>text throughout that.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>He would send me text and I was like.

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 4>What about this, And so we were constantly in somewhat

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 4>of communication. But for the most part he was recording

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 4>by himself, walking through the woods. He went out into

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 4>the desert. And so then when I got those tapes,

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 4>he had one taper he's like, here's all the lines

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 4>written as they are in the script. I delivered them

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 4>and he's like, but then everything else was a little

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 4>more improvisational or all over the place. And so I

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 4>was able to go through those tapes just like writer the.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Character and actually pulled the book. It's interesting party find

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the character. It was so cool. It was like, oh,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually doing the thing.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 3>That's really fun.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 6>That's cool.

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So everything was different.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 6>It's it.

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 5>But it also for the time period, it lends itself

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 5>perfectly to finding a mixtape. You know, we would all

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 5>get those, well not everybody, but you knew people that

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 5>had those self help tapes. They'd come in the big

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 5>plastic books that you'd open up. There'd be five tapes

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 5>on one side, five tapes on the other. So it

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 5>does the time of like the seventies, eighties, and nineties

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 5>works perfectly for audio because you do you have there

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 5>how many times did we record? I mean, you guys

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 5>might be a little young for this, but my brothers

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 5>and I when I was very young, would sit there

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 5>on the on my brother's bed and take it into

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 5>the radio with the tape recorder, waiting to press recording,

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 5>play it.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 6>The same because you want to make sure you're getting everything.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that was like part of our life. Yes, yes,

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 6>so it was. Or or my friends and I I

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 6>found old tapes where we made radio.

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 5>Shows, and you know, it was just us having fun.

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 5>That was our camcorder of the time. Yeah, yeah, so

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 5>that it just were it really did work because the

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 5>eye idea. It's not like, oh, this took place in

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, twenty thirty eight and in twenty twenty two

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 5>he made a recording of himself, Like really, that doesn't

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 5>mean but in nineteen eighty seven or whatever, of course.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 6>Exactly what you're going to do.

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 4>It's just now, Yeah, that's why the mixtape, because I

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 4>remember I made you know, we would make mixtapes for

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 4>each other, and we would record clips from movies, yes,

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 4>and we'd have like and then also talking to the

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 4>microphone and like messages to each other.

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so once.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 4>I knew that I was going to do an archival mixtape,

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.240
<v Speaker 4>that was super fun and like very easy in some ways.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 5>Just still have a CD that Shiloh made me no

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 5>way from back in the day.

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, that.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 5>Goes from like great outcast tribe called Quest and then

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 5>there'll be a Reservoir Dogs clip and then you know,

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 5>then there'll be you know, another great band and then

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 5>so I mean still doing that on CD back in

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 5>the day.

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have CDs for my best friend. I have

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Danielle and Jamie's best Friend mix.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the best.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 6>It was such a way to tell somebody. It was

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 6>the ultimate love letter.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 5>It's like I sat here and pick fifteen songs that

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.479
<v Speaker 5>make me feel I feel about you, like, oh my god,

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna love it. And so just it worked in

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 5>Red Weather because it makes perfect sense that.

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You can can make Spotify playlists for not often. Yeah,

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>one question I have because this is someone who's not

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>an actor, but I know that it was a scripted moment.

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Your mom talking about the Facebook message and that she got.

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 3>What did did you write something for her?

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you just say, pretend that we're talking about you

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>getting a Facebook message from someone at home.

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 4>I just gave her. Yeah, I just pretend I just

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 4>called her up. And she's so good, I know.

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 6>Do you guys ever, do.

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 5>You ever wonder where you got your acting talent and

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 5>then ask.

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 6>You to do something.

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 5>In your industry talent, your entertainment talent, because you're a

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 5>hell of a host, and so it's one of those

0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 5>things where do you ever think like, I'm the first

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 5>one my family to get it, and then you ask

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 5>your parents to do something and you're like, oh, they

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 5>can actually it's there.

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, well that's the thing.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I realized like my my my mom is a

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 4>genuine but both my parents are good actors, but my

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 4>mom through this process, my mom, she commits one hundred

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 4>percent yes.

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 2>And it was so like there was a.

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Moment in the episode, the last episode, there's a whole

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 4>scene with my parents and my brother and I had

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 4>to you know, I didn't write it. I actually was like,

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna We're going to improvise this whole thing.

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 4>And so I told my parents, was like, Okay, the

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 4>Sheriff's department is to search the house. I'm showing up.

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 4>I need you to react like this and here's what's happened.

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 4>And so I described like what happened and they were

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 4>like okay, okay, okay. And then I came in and

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 4>we did two takes and it was so good and

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Shiloh and my parents were just improvising and like talking

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 4>to me, and at one point Chilotte turned to me

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 4>and he's like, this is just like when we were

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 4>kids and we would be making home movies and because

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 4>that's how we started, that's how we started acting. Is

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 4>like we would just grab the VHS and we would

0:36:58.239 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 4>make my parents be the bad guys and we were

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 4>superheroes or whatever. And it was so funny that he

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 4>pointed out, I'm like, oh my god, we're still doing

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 4>the same thing.

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>My parents are still helping out, and there's totally game

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>to like play along.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 5>And I fully thought the Facebook message in the beginning,

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.399
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was a real thing with your mom,

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 5>Like that was something that you're like, Okay, well this

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 5>is real, and I get to incorporate that into the

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 5>story because this was an actual thing that happened. It's

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 5>amazing to hear the stuff where it's like, oh, real,

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 5>not real, real.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 2>I know, I mean, I.

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Know this is a hard question, but I know if

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't ask it in this way, our listeners are

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be angry with me. What percentage would you

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>say if you had to say all of the Red

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Weather is one hundred percent, what percentage of.

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>It would you say is real?

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's including the fact that, of course there are

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in it who are playing different characters,

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but are real people from your life count that is real?

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Those people are?

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, say that last part against.

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>The people, the people who weren't actors, they were friends

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.919
<v Speaker 1>of yours or family members of yours who participated. Yes,

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>even if that friend you changed their name.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, I changed all their names, you can count.

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Them as being real not fake.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 4>I would say only ten percent is real when you're

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 4>actually listening to like clips from people. Only ten percent,

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 4>because even some of the people who are playing themselves

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 4>at times I gave lines or an attention or had

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 4>them improvise a scene with me. So I would say actual,

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 4>like real time, this is a real conversation moment. Yeah,

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 4>five to ten percent, but it sprinkled throughout. And of

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 4>course those people are real people in my life, and

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.240
<v Speaker 4>I get them to do be a part of scenes

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 4>and other times. So and then if you're asking how

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 4>much of the information in other words, like the stories

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 4>that we're telling, and how much of this is based

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 4>on real people and a real night in my in

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.919
<v Speaker 4>my life where this happened, or a real relationship where

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:54.800
<v Speaker 4>this happened, I would say it's.

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Much higher like that.

0:38:56.200 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 4>That is all based on real relationships, real friendship. So

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 4>that's a trickier question, right, that's like you know, like

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 4>did I go on a road trip with a girl

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 4>and have this you know, like, and I'm going to

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 4>leave that one a little more big because there's a

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 4>lot of a lot of that is real and a

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 4>lot of it is based on like it's an amalgamation

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 4>of real people or real situations, and so I think

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 4>the takeaway is that this is insanely honest.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Okay, So I have a question.

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 5>Was there ever a time that you were either worried

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 5>about or in fact did rankle some feathers with the

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 5>story you were coming up with thinking that, like, you know,

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 5>you said, there's some relationships that you really did touch on,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 5>things that really did happen. Was there ever a time

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 5>where you're like, even if I change the names and everything,

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 5>I don't think I can put this in.

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I still kind of feel that way.

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 4>But nobody's ever complained to me the people that I interviewed,

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 4>I felt bad at times when I'd be interviewing them

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 4>and I'd be asking them to go towards some of

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 4>the darker parts of our adolescents, like do you remember

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 4>when this person was treated like this?

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, and do you remember the drugs?

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 4>And actually it was like it was funny because people

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 4>were people.

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't as dark.

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 4>As it isn't the show so like, you know, I'm

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 4>trying to like highlight.

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't that person weird? And didn't this?

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.839
<v Speaker 4>And they would be like, no, it's actually pretty fine

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 4>and like they were totally healthy, and.

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, yeah, but weren't they a little bit upset?

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 4>You know, Like I was like, weird exactly, I was

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 4>trying to like And so for those and a lot

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 4>of some of a lot of those interviews I'd ended

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 4>up using actually because they were frankly too boring, you know,

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 4>like I interviewed people from my childhood, got material, but

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 4>then ended up not using that many clips from them

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't that that wasn't that dark er, you know,

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't good enough material. But yeah, I so I

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 4>felt bad pushing those people a little bit towards like

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 4>some stuff.

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.479
<v Speaker 2>That they maybe didn't want to talk about, you know.

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 4>But no, in general, I still haven't heard from some people,

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 4>and I'm that I'm curious about how they would feel

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 4>because I definitely took parts of their life or their

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 4>personality or aspects that I'm sure they would recognize themselves

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 4>if they listened.

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not in touch with a lot of those

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>people anyways.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 5>So did anyone say no, Did you reach out to

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 5>anybody who was like, no, I don't want to I

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 5>just don't want to be involved.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:16.760
<v Speaker 6>No. Oh, well that's cool.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 6>That means something.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good.

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's do a quick episode breakdown. The very first

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>episode is called The Pinky Swear, and it's where you

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>really kind of set up that you had a friend

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>named Anna Trainor who in nineteen ninety five, at the

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>age of seventeen, she was drinking, she got into a

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.760
<v Speaker 1>heated fight with her boyfriend, and then she was last

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>seen leaving the party when it got a little chaotic,

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and then a massive fire started at the collective.

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Tender Hearts Collective.

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 4>She was written raised with her sister, great, thank you, right,

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 4>and then she disappeared. Her body was never found, no

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 4>one has ever charged, and it's been.

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 2>A cold case.

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 4>And I'm deciding to take it up because I get

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 4>a letter from her sister, who was my best friend

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 4>growing up, and she then killed herself after sending me

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 4>the letter. But in the letter, she lets me out

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 4>of the Pinky Square, which is revealed in the course

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 4>of the episode to be related to the fire.

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>So Willow is the name of the sister, and she

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>lets you out of this pact, and it's a pact

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that was made the night that Anna disappeared after the fire,

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and it involves details about the fire as what we.

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Were doing that night.

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 4>So at this point I'm sort of taking up the

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 4>helm of like I'm going to be a podcaster and

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 4>do this thing. And then of course I go to

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 4>the complete wrong police station, so I immediately start messing

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 4>up the investigation podcasters.

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 6>It also comes out that you are not Lily snow

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 6>White in this either.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.359
<v Speaker 5>You lied to the police, yes, which is not a small.

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Thing, all right.

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 4>But the end of the episode spoiler alert is that

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I I always thought that we started the fire accidentally,

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.360
<v Speaker 4>and it turns out that Willow intentionally started the fire

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 4>that we made the pinkieswear about.

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's the twist at the end of episode one.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you are now going to share the things

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that you know with the police in hopes of reopening

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the cold case of Anna's missing person.

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 6>And then we get.

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Into episode two, which is called Tom Shannigan's which I love,

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, I love Tom Shannigan's and writer reveals that

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>they had put together a Halloween themed plan to lure

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Mick into the woods. Mick was the boyfriend, yeah, Anna's

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend's boyfriend.

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 5>Possibly if you boyfriend, yeah.

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>And it appears as though it's a there's a sex tape.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's like basically that Mick was as far as

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Willow was enlisting us to help her sister Anna.

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Because Mick had a sex tape that he was verage

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.959
<v Speaker 2>revenge porning, right years before revenge.

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 6>Porn was even a phrase.

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so we had this weird plan to get

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.760
<v Speaker 4>him out there, and all help sort of breaks.

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 5>Loose because you want to you want to distract him,

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 5>to search his car essentially right, to get the tape

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 5>back right right?

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And then in that moment of panic, that's what

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>makes Willow set fire to a she.

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 4>Discovers a barn full of marijuana, which is why she

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 4>started the fire in the first place, which of course.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Now opens up a whole nother such a waste.

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Like but now that we know that there was a

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 4>barn full of marijuana on the Tender Hearts property, that

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 4>opens up this whole other motivation about the Tender Hearts

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 4>and like, was Anna involved in some sort of drug

0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:58.800
<v Speaker 4>dealing operation.

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>And at this.

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Point in the present tense, I am coming clean to

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 4>the sheriff who was in charge of the case, Sheriff Maldonado,

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 4>and he once I tell him what was happening, he

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.319
<v Speaker 4>immediately is like, well, you need to go to the

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 4>actual sheriff and tell her that you're the current sheriff.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Tell her that you lied about this.

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 4>So the end of the episode is me finally deciding

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 4>to do that and to come clean so we can

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 4>find find out what was actually going on.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Who played Sheriff Maldonado.

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 2>John Quertas. He's gonna be incredible. So John is one of

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>those guys.

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.959
<v Speaker 4>I am so lucky to be friends with him because

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 4>I put him in everything I write, and he's you know,

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 4>he's just a TV legend. So we all probably met

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 4>him back in the day.

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 2>He was dating one of the Nobody's Angels singers.

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I'm blanking on her name, but we talked about

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 4>when she was on the show. When they were on

0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 4>the show on our podcast. He was like, oh my god,

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 4>you know I met you on the set of Boy

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 4>Met So he came to the set of Boy Means

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 4>World because he was a kid actor back then. Actually

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't a kid. He was slightly older, so he

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 4>was because he had already he had been in the

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 4>First Golf War, come back and then become an actor.

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 4>But he Yeah, but he was on Sabrina. He was

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 4>on Sabrina in the later years of Sabrina, he was

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 4>on that. He was also in I believe Clueless was

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 4>the show. He was on the Clueless TV show. So

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 4>he was around us. But really I became friends with

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 4>him when I guest starred on Castle in the early aughts,

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 4>and he was a regular in Castle, and then he

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 4>rolled right into This Is Us. That was like he

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 4>finished Castle and he was like, I'm going to take

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 4>a break for a while, but I'm going to do

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 4>this other show.

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>It's called This Is Us. And I was like, okay,

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And he ended up on that for seventy thirty two years. Yeah, whatever,

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like the biggest show in the country. I

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>was like, he was like, it's just a pilot.

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm just a guest start and I ended up being

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 4>one of the main cast for so long. So yeah,

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 4>he's been incredibly fortunate as an actor and so talented.

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 4>And what I love about John is like he is

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 4>just he's an actor's actor, Like he will show up

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:00.799
<v Speaker 4>for any thing just to do it.

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Like he just loves acting. He loves performing.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 4>He's also a director now he's directing a bunch of television.

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 4>But he's just like he's he's just such a good

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 4>friend and he's always willing to like show. And I

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 4>did that music video in twenty twenty one and he

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 4>he was shooting at the time. He was still shooting

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 4>this is Us, I believe, and it was all it

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 4>was during COVID, so it was like really and he

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.919
<v Speaker 4>got himself up to the woods like he was still

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:25.840
<v Speaker 4>doing all this this is Us makeup. So he's like

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 4>his hours were insane. He had to do like three

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:29.760
<v Speaker 4>hours of makeup every day he was on that show.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>And like he flew himself up to shoot.

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.879
<v Speaker 4>A music video on like his two days off and

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 4>like running around the woods with me.

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>He's just such a good friend and he's so committed.

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I love working with him.

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 4>So I always knew that he would be my sheriff

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.720
<v Speaker 4>and like my sort of you know, my my police

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 4>guide throughout this whole experience.

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was great, but I called you like halfway

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 5>through the series to talk about who the person who

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 5>I thought was the real standout, and she played the reporter.

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 5>Can you talk a little bit about her because she's

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 5>so good. I mean I literally stopped in an episode

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 5>and I called you, I'm.

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 6>Like, who is this?

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 3>She's amazing?

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.240
<v Speaker 2>So that is Linisa Frederick.

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 4>She and I am just so lucky to have found

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 4>her because I I hired a producer named tes Bartholomew

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 4>who has done a lot of scripted stuff and had

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 4>a lot more experience in the podcast world. And luckily,

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 4>Tess is not only an incredible producer, she's also an

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 4>actor herself, and she knows a lot of actors and

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 4>she has like you know, so I would say there

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.240
<v Speaker 4>were like four or five roles that were cast entirely

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 4>because of Tess, and Linissa was one of the first

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 4>people she brought up, and I I, you know, she

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 4>she had a couple options for for the character of

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 4>Monica that she sent me, and I was listening to

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 4>the reels or watching the reels and listening to the

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 4>work they've done.

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And the thing that for Linisa.

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 4>I looked at I looked her up and she actually

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 4>has a podcast that she hosts about cults because she

0:48:55.400 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 4>grew up in a very religious cult situation. And so

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.920
<v Speaker 4>she has a whole podcast about black people who grew

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 4>up in colts. Like that's her whole angle because she's like,

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.760
<v Speaker 4>there's so many documentaries and information out there about.

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Colts, but they tend to focus on white people.

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 4>And so her whole angle was like, there's a lot

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 4>of black folks who also grew up in strange situations

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 4>that you know that doesn't do not get that much attention.

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.839
<v Speaker 4>So she and so she hosts this podcast. And when

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 4>I listened to that, and I just listened to the

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, her talking and being herself and hosting, I

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 4>was like, Oh, she's going to get this. She's going

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 4>to get the tone, do you.

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean?

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.359
<v Speaker 4>Because the tricky part is I didn't want too many

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 4>voiceover actors who, as good as they are, put on voices,

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, they do a thing which is part of

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 4>the job, bring energy to their voice. And when I

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 4>saw that she could do that, and then we met

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 4>a couple of times and talked and we did some

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.320
<v Speaker 4>reading together, and I was like, this woman is going.

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:50.600
<v Speaker 2>To kill it. And she did.

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 4>And it's the toughest role because Monica's pure exposition. You know,

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.879
<v Speaker 4>she really is just like with me in so many

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.360
<v Speaker 4>of the scenes describing like well, Anna was here and

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 4>then she went away. It's like a lot of just

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 4>information sharing, and that can get so boring if you

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 4>don't have the right energy level. But also, like I said,

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't want it to be so, you know, I

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't want it to feel fake. So Linisa killed it

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 4>and like, yeah she's and she's on Jury Duty and

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 4>the new season of Jury Duty, which is an.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>All improvised show.

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:21.840
<v Speaker 4>So I also knew that she had the improv skills,

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, that she would be able to roll with whatever.

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 4>And so a lot of our scenes and it's so

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 4>funny because a lot of our scenes were recorded over

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 4>the phone or over zoom, so we're like in other

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 4>rooms in my house, like you know, like she's separate

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like given directions between.

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 2>But like it was really fun because yeah, it was,

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a great experience to work with

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 2>her really.

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, then we have episode three Tree Time. The whole

0:50:56.960 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Tree Time concept reframes everything because time perception scaled to

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 1>redwoods makes human life feel tiny.

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's basically the only written part of Elrick that

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 4>was left.

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I came up with the whole tree Time.

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 4>Belots, and it turns out there really is a concept

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 4>called tree Time. I've had friends send me like essays

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 4>that there there really is this whole theory. But I just,

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, I just wanted to come up with a

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 4>philosophy for Elrick that you know this this is by

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.359
<v Speaker 4>far my favorite episode of the show, and I feel

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 4>like this is the one that when I had written

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 4>this one, I was like, Okay, it's it's all coming together.

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 4>Because I knew I would start the show with a

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.879
<v Speaker 4>sort of you know, oh, it's going to be about

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 4>a cult next door, and that be something that would

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 4>draw the listeners in and hint at like a dark underbelly,

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.320
<v Speaker 4>and I always knew I wanted to subvert that and really,

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, make it clear that a lot of these

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 4>commune situations were not as crazy and creepy as you know,

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 4>probably think in our imagination. And so yeah, this is

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 4>where I came up with the idea that el Rick

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:04.919
<v Speaker 4>would have his lecture tapes and I would be able

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 4>to sort of, you know, piece through those. I also

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 4>had the great Adam Bush, an incredible actor play the

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 4>part of Howard, which is like a researcher who I

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 4>tracked down who researches communes, and that is based on

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 4>a real guy. I have like three books that I've

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:22.360
<v Speaker 4>read because there's you know, there are historians out there

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 4>who specialize in just in alternative communities. So I've read

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.280
<v Speaker 4>a couple of books about you know, written by one person,

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:31.720
<v Speaker 4>and so I created a fictional version of that person

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 4>and had Adam come and play with me for a day.

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 4>And he's a great actor. I've worked with a bunch

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:41.319
<v Speaker 4>before too, and yeah, so this is diving into the

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 4>whole tender hearts commune for this episode and discovering that

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 4>really and you know, this is the funny part about

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 4>like outlining a mystery podcast is like nothing changes in

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 4>this episode as far as the mystery costs, Like what

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 4>you realize. I actually up until episode three writer as

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 4>an investigator discovers nothing new. So it's like, you know,

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.360
<v Speaker 4>and that was the hard part about outlining, is like

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.879
<v Speaker 4>writing a present tense mystery and the facts of the

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 4>past and realizing that, like really, true crime is super

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:14.399
<v Speaker 4>manipulative in this way because often they know everything by

0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 4>the time they go to record, but then they lay

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 4>it out and like give you a little breadcrumbs, so

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 4>you have to keep coming back for the.

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Next episode, do you know what I'm saying? So like

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty manipulatn.

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I would like to go back and say writer did

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>not know that the fire was started, that she that

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the fire was started because of the marriage, Like there

0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>is you do discover some things.

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:34.479
<v Speaker 4>But I don't discover I don't break any new ground

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:35.839
<v Speaker 4>in the case until episode.

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Right, okay in the case, yeah, okay.

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I go to Sheriff Maaldonado and he's like, yeah,

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 4>we knew about the marijuana.

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 2>We knew about the fire.

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 4>I know who started it, but we knew you know,

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 4>we knew you were out there. So really it's not

0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 4>until episode four that any new information about the case

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 4>itself comes to light.

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:53.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there's an interesting way that you did it,

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 5>because it's almost like, I mean, at the end, it

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 5>works out the way that it's supposed to work out.

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 6>But it's almost like a little bit of a.

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.359
<v Speaker 5>Few to true crime podcasters who are like this, I'm

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 5>better than detectives.

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know that was always my intention.

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 5>I can figure this out because I did research on

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.439
<v Speaker 5>the Internet, and it's like, Okay, these guys have found

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 5>the case.

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Research always means google searches exactly.

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:20.320
<v Speaker 4>I find there are some true crime podcasts that I

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 4>am intentionally mirroring that I I've made me very uncomfortable.

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Like there was a period I would say, like post serial,

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 4>like around twenty fifteen through twenty twenty, there was a

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.840
<v Speaker 4>big boom in true crime podcasting and you'd have a

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 4>lot of these sort of white night guys coming in

0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.840
<v Speaker 4>and being like, I know nothing about this case, but

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to make it all about me solving it.

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 4>And I really wanted to, you know, present writer as

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 4>one of those kinds of guys and have that undermine throughout,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, throughout the whole series. Yeah, because I find

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 4>it icky, you know, exploitative, Like there's something really exploitative

0:54:57.840 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 4>about a lot of true crime out there, and I

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 4>wanted to China, you know, a spotlight on that.

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, definitely where it's like there are other people there

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 5>that are literally characters, going like you're an actor and

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 5>a podcaster exactly, that's.

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:12.760
<v Speaker 2>What you do. Stayed in your lane, dude, and so true.

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 4>I will say that like walking into the police station

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 4>even though that's seen as stage that is based on

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.280
<v Speaker 4>a true thing too, like walking into the wrong jurisdiction

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 4>to report a crime actually happened.

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>So I I'm here to report a crime.

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 6>Sure, this is the fire department.

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Exactly as it happens the Masa police station.

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:34.240
<v Speaker 4>Turns out Sonoma County, it's actually West County.

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 2>It's the Sheriff's department thing.

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 4>So that was a real yeah, So like, yeah, there was,

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 4>And I wanted to use all of that.

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to put it in there.

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 4>Because I think it's Yeah, I don't know, I think

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 4>I definitely like the worst writers as a podcaster. I

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:50.759
<v Speaker 4>knew that the better the story would be, right, So yeah,

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 4>I made sure that I.

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Do not do not come off that great.

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.719
<v Speaker 5>Well you're not the White Night. That's that's the whole

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:57.759
<v Speaker 5>point is exactly, You're You're not that.

0:55:58.120 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>The Interrogation Tree scripts exposed Maldonado for not telling the

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>full story and reveals that Elric initially lied. So it

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 1>opens up some new motives, some new potential baddies.

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 4>Yes, turns on and now I'm starting to turn on

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:18.759
<v Speaker 4>the cops. So episode four is called Swamplvania, and this

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 4>is really Yeah. Now it's now it's much more in

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 4>the present tense. And there's sort of two leads where

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:30.080
<v Speaker 4>I am going into questioning Maldonado and confronting him about

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 4>his language in the transcripts and his potential bigotry or

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, his biases, going into the investigation you know,

0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 4>and uh, and then also sourcing this drug dealer, a

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 4>local drug dealer named Sparks, and tracking him down and

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:55.320
<v Speaker 4>interviewing him about Maldonado's potential corruption as a as a sheriff.

0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of the reasons Mick may have been

0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>protected having did you with money.

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.640
<v Speaker 6>Money campaign donations. Yeah.

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I always knew I wanted to, you know, because the actual.

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:12.839
<v Speaker 4>Evolution of of northern California, you know, from like alternative

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 4>hippie uh into sort of isolationist, paranoid libertarian drug area

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 4>into tech like in California is like, actually so many

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 4>people went to tech, and so I wanted to create,

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, a sort of tech bro character.

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:32.919
<v Speaker 2>And I always knew that Mick would end up being being.

0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 4>I love that, Yeah, based on based on some of

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 4>real you know, a couple of real people that we

0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.960
<v Speaker 4>knew growing up who who did end up having a

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 4>lot of money and doing well in tech.

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I also loved that in this episode, uh one of

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the themes, and it's a it's a quiet theme, it's

0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:52.800
<v Speaker 1>an underlying theme. But where uh you know you're not

0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>supposed to photograph the evidence? You come across, yes, and

0:57:56.200 --> 0:58:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Maldonado lets you. He encourages you to whin the sheriff

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.439
<v Speaker 1>is not present, and it ends up. Of course it's

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>super helpful, and your first thought is what a nice guy,

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you go, but if he's willing to do

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>that for me, does that mean that he's what? He's

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously unethical even though it's helpful to me. So I

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:24.680
<v Speaker 1>love that opening up the theme of why are we

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>so okay with the unethical behavior?

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Winning?

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 4>Total, But then this is also an episode with a

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:36.520
<v Speaker 4>very special guest appearances my friends.

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm driving to my car by myself. I like, at

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:39.680
<v Speaker 6>least he didn't use anybody from mother.

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:44.720
<v Speaker 4>So this is where I go to the current Sheriff's office,

0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 4>and the liaison that I've been given is.

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Big Boy meets World Fans.

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Is a Big Boys World fan.

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 3>More importantly, a Big Topanga fan.

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:57.640
<v Speaker 4>So in order to distract him, so I can, you know,

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 4>get some some photographs I used.

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Danielle Fischels.

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.680
<v Speaker 1>You were very smart to not ask us to do

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 1>anything because the whole point of this is obviously that

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it is real and that it feels real, and I

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 1>would it would take us out of it. The only

0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>reason I was able to do it is because I

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 1>was playing me.

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Saying hello on a FaceTime to a fan.

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 2>So it worked out.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't even really you couldn't.

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 6>You couldn't.

0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.040
<v Speaker 5>You couldn't combine the worlds in a way that wouldn't

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:33.920
<v Speaker 5>take you out of the entire thing exact and the

0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 5>way that you did mention for me to world about

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 5>the guy's a fan and he's essentially like Sean. We

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 5>dealt with people like that, where it's like you get

0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 5>you will get like a little bonus of something, and

0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 5>it comes at the most random times too, where it's

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:48.960
<v Speaker 5>like I'm giving.

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 6>You this extra Carvel ice cream because I'm and you're like, okay, thanks.

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 6>So it does it happens?

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 2>John, I wanted to play with that reality. I don't,

0:59:57.840 --> 0:59:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 5>It happens just like that when you least to expect

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.200
<v Speaker 5>that the extra bag of peanuts on a plane or

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 5>something like that.

1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:04.080
<v Speaker 6>It just always happens that.

1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 4>In this case, it was my friend Travis Schultz, who's

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 4>a great actor. He was on Scrubs and we go

1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:11.840
<v Speaker 4>way back. He and my wife have been friends since

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 4>before I met my wife, and so I I got

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:18.520
<v Speaker 4>him to come play this part. He's never seen a

1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 4>single episode of Boy. He was so great because I

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:24.640
<v Speaker 4>kind of wrote it thinking it would be more sort

1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:27.640
<v Speaker 4>of like a goofy gregarious, like overly gregarious guy, like

1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:30.600
<v Speaker 4>the guy was like. Instead, he came in and played

1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:32.400
<v Speaker 4>it so like creepy and intense.

1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 2>He's like, tell me we're about to pang out. Just

1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:39.120
<v Speaker 2>go with that, you know, like and he.

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Like it was so fun because you know, working with

1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.640
<v Speaker 4>these actors, we're just micing. We're micing ourselves up with

1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:45.320
<v Speaker 4>like loob mics and then we have a boom mic.

1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 4>There's no cameras, but of course we're actually looking at

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 4>each other, haven't And so like his like intense, Like

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:57.280
<v Speaker 4>he physically was like so creepy too, and everything just

1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:59.600
<v Speaker 4>like getting a little too close and staring a little.

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:03.320
<v Speaker 5>Changed with him because the character is like the fanboy

1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 5>eventually stops and he becomes cop again and then almost

1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.360
<v Speaker 5>doesn't like you, and then it's there, zactly it's a

1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:10.520
<v Speaker 5>great kind of and then when you then go back

1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:12.920
<v Speaker 5>and try to use it again, almost like hey is

1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:13.480
<v Speaker 5>off the script.

1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Ye, it's like this is not gonna work.

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah is great. It's so creepy and it's really worked

1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:18.760
<v Speaker 6>really well.

1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And then episode five mix tape, we hear Anna's Haunted tape.

1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:28.400
<v Speaker 3>For the very first time.

1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Which really gives us a first deep glimpse into who

1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:34.760
<v Speaker 1>she is as a person. We find out some of

1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:38.400
<v Speaker 1>her music taste, her reading preferences, and even a glimpse

1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:40.840
<v Speaker 1>into her drive through order at McDonald's.

1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was fun.

1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.560
<v Speaker 4>This was another actress that I did not know because

1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.720
<v Speaker 4>I immediately had written this episode and then realized, like,

1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:49.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know any teenage actors.

1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Like.

1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then this is she's not a teenager. This

1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:56.520
<v Speaker 2>is Rachel Marsh.

1:01:56.560 --> 1:02:00.360
<v Speaker 4>She's a great actress, mostly known for comedy, but she

1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 4>has a very young sounding voice. And tess As had

1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.360
<v Speaker 4>worked with her before and was like, you got to

1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:08.640
<v Speaker 4>meet with Rachel, and I did and it was great.

1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:13.640
<v Speaker 4>And she recorded with a little mini like radio shack

1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:15.960
<v Speaker 4>tape recorder at my house. We did a little bit together,

1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:17.760
<v Speaker 4>and then I just let her take the tape recorder

1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.040
<v Speaker 4>and go off and record herself through a drive through

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.920
<v Speaker 4>and all that stuff, and so again, you know, I

1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:26.440
<v Speaker 4>was sort of piecing together documentary style real clips and

1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:29.280
<v Speaker 4>trying to insert them, you know, after the fact, and

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.560
<v Speaker 4>figure out how to like read you know, Anna's tape

1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:33.920
<v Speaker 4>super fun.

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Did you at any point think about changing mix name

1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:42.200
<v Speaker 1>after you realize mix tape was going to sound like

1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:43.280
<v Speaker 1>mixed mixtape.

1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:47.880
<v Speaker 4>No, that became, that became it's it's a complete, it's purposeful,

1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:50.200
<v Speaker 4>it's a red heron because of course, it turns out

1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:53.240
<v Speaker 4>that the tape is not to Mick. So by titling

1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:55.920
<v Speaker 4>the episode mix tape, I really want, you know, driving

1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:58.200
<v Speaker 4>the audience away from from from the truth.

1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right great, and then you go back

1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:07.200
<v Speaker 1>home to your family after being away for three full weeks.

1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.120
<v Speaker 3>This was another aspect of the podcast.

1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I loved hearing what feels like very real family dynamics.

1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yes, tense dynamics with that at times.

1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had people like checking in on

1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:25.080
<v Speaker 2>me and Alex listening. They were like, are you guys

1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:25.560
<v Speaker 2>O caring?

1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:33.440
<v Speaker 4>She's like I'm an actress living exactly, oh man, But

1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:36.040
<v Speaker 4>I know, we we did a lot of improvacy. We

1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.080
<v Speaker 4>actually recorded almost everything with Alex and Indy in the

1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:43.800
<v Speaker 4>same day. Actually, no, Indy was separate. Indy was during

1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:46.000
<v Speaker 4>an actual audition that he had. We we did, so

1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:48.360
<v Speaker 4>that is a real he was really auditioning. And then

1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.840
<v Speaker 4>we had a conversation that you know, was somewhat scripted,

1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:52.440
<v Speaker 4>but I kept, you know, working with him and just

1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:53.160
<v Speaker 4>talking through it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's so good in it. I love how like

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<v Speaker 2>so good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but yeah, I know with Alex, we recorded everything

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<v Speaker 4>for us pretty much in one day, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>super fun because I had a friend visiting who plays.

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi Soulsman, who ends up playing Anna's mom. I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>that part for her.

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<v Speaker 4>She was staying with us, so she came and stay

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<v Speaker 4>with us, and then we spent the whole day with

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<v Speaker 4>Alex and me like improvising all of our fight stuff

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<v Speaker 4>and all those scenes, and Heidi was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>this is like a Cassavetti's set here.

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<v Speaker 2>We kept, you know, it was super fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Alex and I, obviously we've worked together forever and we

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<v Speaker 4>know each other very well. We give each other creative

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<v Speaker 4>feedback all the time, so it was super fun to

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<v Speaker 4>work with her.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the thing that really struck me, especially with this

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<v Speaker 5>episode and the family dynamic, is when you listen to Indye,

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<v Speaker 5>you realize that when this whole thing takes place, he's

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<v Speaker 5>not that much younger than you were supposed to be

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<v Speaker 5>when all these events happened. Oh right, So it's like

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<v Speaker 5>when you hear how young he sounds, You're like, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>he's like two or three years away from this happening

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<v Speaker 5>and he sounds like a little little kid.

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<v Speaker 6>Yea.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's kind of that That was really striking to

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<v Speaker 5>me because it's like, oh my god, he's gonna think

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<v Speaker 5>of the problems that rider writer quote had and his

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<v Speaker 5>friend had.

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<v Speaker 6>A year or two later, compared to hearing this little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>It was I never thought strange.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was really strange.

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<v Speaker 1>In episode six to Live in Park in.

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<v Speaker 3>La, we get the Indie cameo and he tells.

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<v Speaker 1>Writer that he needs to help his old friend and

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<v Speaker 1>crack this case. He really encourages you to take this on, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you hear from mixed lawyers yep, who reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to you and send you a cease and desist yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you are then locked out of knowing any further

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<v Speaker 1>details about the case from the Sonoma County Sheriff uh

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<v Speaker 1>and Operation Van Gobea.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is when I put it all together that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm assuming it Mick that the tape is too So

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<v Speaker 4>I finally go confront him and he's willing to sit

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<v Speaker 4>down and talk with me, and only to discover that

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a tape to him, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>To somebody else. Into episode seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Loft Times, Yeah, so this is really about Anna's mom,

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<v Speaker 4>Anna and Willow's mom. And I always knew that this

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be sort of a centerpiece of the season,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is, you know, this is really where I

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<v Speaker 4>borrowed heavily from probably one of the greatest true crime

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<v Speaker 4>podcasts out there, which is from the Canadian Broadcasting System

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<v Speaker 4>or the CBC whatever that is Canadian Broadcasting channel. It's

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<v Speaker 4>called Someone Knows Something, and it's an incredible podcast. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like the best of the true crime in that it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's less interested in solving the crime, even though

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<v Speaker 4>it is often, you know, trying to solve the crime.

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<v Speaker 4>The host is this very Canadian, wonderful guy who's been

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<v Speaker 4>a filmmaker forever, and he just spends time with the

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<v Speaker 4>people who involved with the case, and like he'll just

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<v Speaker 4>spend like like there'll be whole episodes where it's just

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, walking with him, walking the scene of

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<v Speaker 4>the crime, with like the brother of the person who died,

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<v Speaker 4>and just get a sense of that person's life now

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<v Speaker 4>and how it feels, you know, thirty years to have

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<v Speaker 4>gone by without knowing what happened to their.

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<v Speaker 2>Sister or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I always I was so inspired by the emotional,

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<v Speaker 4>like the real human fallout of these cases, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which we don't you know, when you get into like

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<v Speaker 4>the too much of the serialization where you're just like,

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<v Speaker 4>who did it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did get a sensation?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You forget that there's humans.

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<v Speaker 4>So I always knew that I wanted this confrontation or

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<v Speaker 4>this scene with Anna's mother to be, you know, a

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<v Speaker 4>central part of the show. And I wrote it for

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<v Speaker 4>my friend Heidi, who is an incredible actress.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she does a lot of theater.

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<v Speaker 4>She has been on l word It's probably the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>thing that she's been on lately.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's an.

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<v Speaker 4>Actress, been around forever, and she's I just love her

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<v Speaker 4>we've just been friends. Our sons are actually best friends,

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<v Speaker 4>so I've known her since our kids started hanging out

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<v Speaker 4>when they were like, uh, three or four. Anyway, So

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote this part for her with her in mind,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was great. You know, yeah, she's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>This was what I mean again, I could picture most

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<v Speaker 5>of the series obviously very well in my head, but

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<v Speaker 5>the scene where you're kind of on the porch shipping

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<v Speaker 5>whiskey and you could tell she's just kind of broken

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<v Speaker 5>and trying not to.

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<v Speaker 6>Be broken and already a little bit drunk, and it.

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<v Speaker 5>Was just I could see the whole like I could

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<v Speaker 5>just visualize the whole scene really great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, that that that feeling. I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>all been there where you're you've been so excited, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like there's going to be a conversation, a moment

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<v Speaker 1>with someone that's gonna reveal things, and then you realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure you're a reliable narrator.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yeah, man.

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<v Speaker 6>It was Roughen the best possible unfortunate exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it was super fun because this was based

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<v Speaker 4>on I knew I was writing this part for Heidi,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was able to you know, I actually have

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<v Speaker 4>spent a lot of time sipping whiskey and talking with Heidi.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, obviously she doesn't have a daughter disappeared

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<v Speaker 4>or anything, but I wrote with her like rhythms and.

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<v Speaker 2>Her life and her voice in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it was so cool to you know, take

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<v Speaker 4>parts of her real life, take you know, the sort

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<v Speaker 4>of fictional character that I was creating, and like write

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<v Speaker 4>for her and then have her calm and just nail it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a whole day just the two of us,

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<v Speaker 4>and we really were you know, we were on a

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<v Speaker 4>porch in this house and a friend of mine was

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<v Speaker 4>moving out of his place, so he had just a

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<v Speaker 4>house full of boxes and crap, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, she's an incredible actress. So much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We also really discover some stuff about the missing case

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<v Speaker 1>and who the tape might be too, and some very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Hard throughout books to which I think something very of course, everyone.

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<v Speaker 8>In the.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we get to our final episode, episode eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the Imagination, and uh, there's some search

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<v Speaker 1>warrants and all will be revealed in this episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the we talked about it a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Episode where you had your family and.

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<v Speaker 1>You just did a whole scene that you improved about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Shaff's office, searching my parents' house. And the fun part

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<v Speaker 4>about this is that my parents nobody who was in

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<v Speaker 4>it playing themselves, even when they were part of scenes,

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<v Speaker 4>no one read the whole script. So for my parents

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<v Speaker 4>it was such a trip to listen to this thing

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<v Speaker 4>it was done. And for a lot of my friends too,

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<v Speaker 4>they'd done interviews with me, but they hadn't heard it,

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<v Speaker 4>and so then, you know, I would have these conversations

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<v Speaker 4>with them. They're like, so you took a real memory,

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<v Speaker 4>put it in right this face listening to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Because they were like, I would be listening, going, I

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<v Speaker 4>remember the real story, but then I'm using my imagination

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<v Speaker 4>to hear how I'm a part of the fake story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, isn't that weird.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's like a very small circle of like probably

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<v Speaker 4>ten people for whom listening to Red Weather is a

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<v Speaker 4>real trip.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, totally different experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I really I don't want to I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to give it away, and so I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to give it away. No more spoilers. We've given enough

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<v Speaker 1>away here. But if you if you haven't heard it,

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<v Speaker 1>I really encourage you to go take a listen. I

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<v Speaker 1>was completely sucked in. It goes very very fast. The

1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:53.880
<v Speaker 1>length of the episodes is truly perfect. There's no fat

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be cut from it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It is truly a really special piece of work.

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<v Speaker 6>And you made a drive to Vegas go by very

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<v Speaker 6>quickly for soon like next one, next one, next one.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, thank you guys, well, thank you for putting this

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<v Speaker 1>out there and for all your hard work on it.

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