1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Donald Trump says, if we get 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the Save Act, they probably won't win an election for 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: fifty years. Okay, maybe longer. We have such a great 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: show for you today. To the contrary's own, Charlie Sykes 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: stops by to talk Pete hag sets a gregeous spending 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: spree on floral arrangements and lobster at the Department of War. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: about Governor Polis flirting with pardoning election medler Tina Peters. 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: But first the news smile. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: You know when your policies are really popular are when 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: you see headlines like White House tells House Republicans to 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: stop talking about mass deportations even though they're doing mass deportations, 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: including American citizens being disappeared to block sites. 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Republicans have decided that they've been in 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: Durral doing a sort of retreat where they are figuring 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: out what they should run on. And it turns out 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: everything Trump has done is wildly unpopular, so they are 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: going into the midterms with gas it's going to be 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: summer of you know, somewhere between eighty and one hundred 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: dollars a gallon gasoline because of Donald Trump's war in Iran. 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: And then we have these mass deportation now which you'll 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: remember they were waiving signs at the RNC saying mass 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: deportation now. Well, it turns out mass deportation now may 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: be popular with Trump's space, but it's not popular with 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: anyone else. And nearly forty nine percent of all Americans 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: say that Trump's mass deportation campaign is too aggressive, including 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: one in five of the voters who backed Trump in 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. That means that when they were waving 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: those mass deportation signs, they thought he meant a vibe 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: and not actual mass deportation now. And look, Donald Trump 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: said that he was going to get the worst of 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: the worst. What he meant was children, people who were 35 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: here legally, and old people. And so here we go. 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: I want to point out that just because they're going 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: to play it down doesn't mean they're not still buying 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: warehouses to warehouse people. Doesn't mean they're not still spending 39 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: your taxpayer dollars on everything from lots and lots of 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: movies of Christy Nome rip and now probably Mark Wayne 41 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Mark Wayne Mullen when he gets appointed. But it is 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: a real fucking disaster and they're going to be wasting 43 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: your money, even if they're playing down. Another great moment 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: from this Republican House meeting this week where they're mapping 45 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: out their legislative agenda haha and strategy for keeping the midterms, 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: which basically seems to boil down to Trump trying to 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: make it harder to vote so that they can't lose. 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Blay are also told members to go out and find 49 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: quote real Americans to highlight wins in the GOP's sweeping 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: legislative package last summer, real Americans, like real American billionaires, 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: because that's really all you're going to be appealing to. 52 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: Samalia as we do. Christy Gnome and Corey Lewandowski are 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: in a lot of hot water after spending upwards of 54 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: a corner of a billion dollars on a bunch of bullshit. 55 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: It turns out it does not stop there. The Deputy 56 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Director of ICE bought a bunch of vehicles that ICE 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: can't use. 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Ice cannot use these vehicles because they're pickup trucks and 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: SUVs that were ordered and slated to be wrapped with 60 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: the agency's name, logo and motto. And here's the problem. 61 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: ICE has never had marked vehicles, and we don't want 62 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: to use them. We can't. So these are the guys 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: who wear the masks because they're scared. They don't want 64 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: to drive around in the marked vehicles. No one put 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: together that the guys who wear the masks don't want 66 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: to have vehicles that say ICE on them. I don't 67 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: know how this got lost. Like this is this feels 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: like something that someone should have put together here. I mean, 69 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that happens in Wag the Dog. 70 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: So you have these unusable vehicles that have cost millions 71 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: and millions of dollars. Despite the growing number of ways 72 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: ICE employees have sought to protect their identities, ICE's former 73 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: deputy director, another genius, placed a bulk order for vehicles 74 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: clearly marked with the ICE logo. So now they're trying 75 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to fix your mistake. If 76 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: leadership would have been consulted, leadership being the executive assistant director, 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: would have told you that you couldn't use these vehicles. 78 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: I mean, these people, it's like they're both corrupt and 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: they're also quite stupid. Last August, the DHS and the 80 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: White House posted photos on social media showing the agency's 81 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: newly outfitted pickup trucks and SUVs. It was the first 82 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: time since ICE's two thousand and three inception the agent 83 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: s had acquired marked vehicles. It is just unbelievably stupid 84 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: and we should all be in awe of the stupidity. 85 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: By the way, the One Big Beautiful Bill included twenty 86 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: nine point five billion dollars your taxpayer dollars for various 87 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: ICE expenditures, including signing bonuses, recruitment efforts, hiring onboarding, not 88 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot of training, but who needs it, information technology, 89 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: facility upgrades, and fleet modernization. Vehicles are included in the 90 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: agency's funding requests to Congress every year because of the 91 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: wear and tear they are so good work, everyone, good work. 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm just glad that money is not going to educating 93 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: children or food stamps snap benefits. By the way, sources 94 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: say Gnome and DHS special government employee Corey Lubandowski, who's 95 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: sport a flashy campaign to intimidate illegal immigrants in the 96 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: United States, they supported her plan. 97 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, on the one hand, I'm really glad 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: this is not going to them being more efficient with deportations. 99 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's our money and their incompetence. 100 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of their incompetence, the US attorney's handpicked by Pam 101 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: Bondy to replace Alena Haba, newly divorced Alena Habba, they 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: were appointed improperly, and the federal judges say that ain't 103 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: happened in chief. 104 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where we are. Another illegal appointment by 105 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy. Federal judge said Bondie's action repeat the same 106 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: error bypassing congressional approval repointments. Here's what's going on. They 107 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: can't get these people by Congress, so they're not even trying. 108 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: And that is why none of this is legal, and 109 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: that is why they keep losing in the courts. And 110 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: it's like this thing we always talk about with this administration, 111 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: which is it's illegal. This is all illegal. So if 112 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: you keep fighting and you keep pushing back, it ends 113 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: up that you win in court. The problem is a 114 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: lot of people like the head of you know law 115 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: or prestigious law firms or fancy universities or even elected 116 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: politicians try to make deals with Trump in the hopes 117 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: that it will keep him at bay. But the truth 118 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: is it doesn't work that way. 119 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: Yep. So of course we have. It would not be 120 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: the news section if we didn't have some form of 121 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: drifting by Trumpeerr's children, the Trump sons, who we don't 122 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: hear from as much these days, Eric and Don Junior, 123 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: are accused of trying to profit off of the around 124 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: more with a drone investment. 125 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you're shocked to hear that, right, shocked. 126 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: He never could have guessed it. But the only think 127 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm shocked is you just don't hear from these two 128 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: fellows as much these days. 129 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: It's a real heartwarming story. So Don Junior and Eric 130 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: are investing in a drone company that's vying to meet 131 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: fresh demand. Here's the deal. Drones are basically they're sort 132 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: of the new way to fight wars, and we need them, 133 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: and Ukraine needs them, and Russia would like them. And 134 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: so we have this, you know, just like Crypto. The 135 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: kids want to get in on it, and so they're 136 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: going to try to get this contract too, and like 137 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: we know that really what Donald Trump cares about is 138 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: making money from this presidency and making sure the kids 139 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: make money. So it seems very likely that this will 140 00:08:53,400 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: lead to some form of grift and sleaziness. And you'll 141 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: remember we've had previous presidents like Jimmy Carter put their 142 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: peanut farm and a blend trust because even the appearance 143 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: of impropriety was so much a thing to avoid. But 144 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: now here we are. We have exciting news over at 145 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. 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Charlie 160 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: Sykes is the author of the Newsletter to the Contrary 161 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: and the book How the Right Lost Its Mind. Hello 162 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes. 163 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: Hey, good morning. 164 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good? But you know, if I 165 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: were in the proximity of the head of the Department 166 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: of War, my friend and yours Pete hegseeth Ivy Grad, 167 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: I might be the recipient of a fruit basket, fruit. 168 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: Bas basket, stands and shares and crab the DLD. 169 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: But we call it the Department of War, right when 170 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: on a ninety three billion that's a B, not an M, 171 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: because I thought ninety three million, ninety three billion spending 172 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: spree in twenty twenty five. 173 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: Oh and that's just a down payment for the what 174 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: five hundred billion dollars is going to add to the 175 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: defense budget. Well, fortunately though, Molly, the Warner ran wound 176 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: down yesterday. Oh wait, yeah, apparently. 177 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: It's only on when the it's on when the markets 178 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: are closed, and off when the markets are open. 179 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems to be the pattern. So I mean, 180 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: if you if you actually watch what happened yesterday. So 181 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: the markets are crashing, Donald Trump calls the CBS reporter 182 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: and basically says, yeah, we pretty much mission accomplished. It's 183 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: pretty much done. The markets in their go ability go okay. 184 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: This means that he's tacoing out on the war. The 185 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: you know, the all of the indexes spike. And then 186 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: later what does he do. He walks it back. 187 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Right when oil prices go from one hundred bucks to 188 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: eighty three dollars because people think it's over. And then 189 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: he goes to speak to a bunch of GOP reps 190 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: who are pretty anxious and says, actually, we still have 191 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: more war to go. 192 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: We have a lot more war to go. Actually, if 193 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: you look, if people are confused about this, you are 194 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: not alone. Because Trump managed to contradict himself over and 195 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: over and over again, sometimes in the same sentence, in 196 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: the same breath. You know, we're mission accomplished. We're going 197 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: to demand unconditional surrender. But wait, this is just a 198 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: little excursion. We've won so much, but we need to 199 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: win more. And it goes on and on and on. 200 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: But you know the line that really stuck with me 201 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: where he's talking about sinking the boats. Yeah, and he said, 202 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: and he claimed that he none of those, sir moments. 203 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: He said, well, why can't we just capture the boats? 204 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be better? And the Navy said, no, sir, 205 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: it's easier to sink the boats. It's more fun to 206 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: sink the boats. They like sinking the boats, and the 207 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: crowd laughs. So there's Donald Trump basically saying we could 208 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: have captured those people, but it was more fun, more 209 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: fun to sink the boats, presumably more fun to kill 210 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: everybody on board. I mean, leave aside the fact that 211 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: he may have just, you know, confessed to a war 212 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: war crime. 213 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 214 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: I just think it is this performative, gleeful sadism that 215 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: we're getting from him. And you know, pete fruit basket, hegxeth, 216 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: the unseiousness of the whole thing. 217 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: What I think is meaningful is this idea that we 218 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: are no longer pretending to be the good guys. So 219 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you have a situation where Republicans and the government writ 220 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: large are military, which is theoretically nonpartisan, are going into 221 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: a country. You know, with previous wars, we've had excuses 222 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: that have at least seemed like they were positive, we 223 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: were bringing democracy, we were saving the you know, a 224 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: group of people. 225 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: This is not that well, we don't know what this 226 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: is because Donald Trump keeps changing his mind and keeps 227 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: contradicting himself. Didn't you say yesterday that he went to 228 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: war because he'd been advised by his son in Lawger Kushner, 229 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: real estate mogul, Steve Whitcoff, and by Pete Hegsath. Really, 230 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: I you know, what could possibly go wrong? I know 231 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: that's part of the problem. And of course they didn't 232 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: consult with Congress or make the case to the American people. 233 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: But to your point about how we're not pretending to 234 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: be the good guys anymore, this is what's so painful here. 235 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: And and by the way, you know, there is a 236 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: contrast between the professionalism. 237 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: Of the military. 238 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: Yes, we are probably wondering how far is this going 239 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: to go? And and this this clown show that we're 240 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: getting from from from above and and I and I 241 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: think that this is what's so confusing to people. You 242 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: know that, I mean, is it you clarify this for 243 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: me because you have a higher pay grade. Is it 244 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: now the official policy of the US government that we 245 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: can go and then we can kidnap or murder or 246 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: assassinate the leader of any nation state we choose, without 247 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: any judicial finding, without any declaration of war. If Donald 248 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: Trump doesn't like you, I mean, I understand that we've 249 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: gone after leaders before me. We went after Mohlmarkadafi, Right, 250 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: we went a sort of indirectly. You know, nobody more. 251 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: CIA has done adventuring. 252 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: Right, But this is Rember Gerald Ford banned basically said 253 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: it's the policy of the US government that we will 254 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: not engage in the assassination of foreign leaders. Then there's 255 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: a prudential element to that, which is if we don't 256 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: assassinate them, they won't try to assassinate us. But it's 257 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: basically now his assassination on the table, the way the tariffs. 258 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: Are for Donald Trump. 259 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: If I don't, if you don't exceed to my demands, 260 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: we're going to kill you. 261 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to answer your question with another question. You know, 262 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: we do this exercise like think what if a Democrat 263 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: did it? What if another had a president that started 264 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: plucking leaders and jailing them, for example, like what we 265 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: did with Venezuela, like what we're doing now with Aaran, 266 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Like think of that think of. 267 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: A well, somebody look at Vladimir Putin, who basically will say, look, now, 268 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin has been assassinating people for some time, there's 269 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: no question about it. However, he doesn't brag about it 270 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: on social media. He does not have press conferences where 271 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: he says how cool it is. But imagine if he said, 272 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: you know, I want to control the country of Georgia, 273 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: and if they don't acceed to our demands, I am 274 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: going to kill the leader and I'm going to kill 275 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: the next leader as well. What if Vladimir Putin said that? 276 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: What if the Chinese simply removed the president of Burma 277 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: or assassinated the you know, the president of Thailand, and 278 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: if they have that. Now, this is one of those 279 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: things where maybe we've gotten so used to America being 280 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: the superpower, the only superpower, the policeman of the world, 281 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: that it's like, wait, can you imagine any other country 282 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: basically believing we can go in and bomb the shit 283 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: out of you, and we can kill your leaders, we 284 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: can target them, we can threaten to kill them because 285 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: we don't like them. It actually is inconceivable, isn't it. 286 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, And I mean that is where we are 287 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: at this moment. We are a country that is unfettered, 288 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: ruled by an autocrat who is unfettered, but also being 289 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: advised by people who don't necessarily have I mean, what 290 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: I think is the most interesting is when you when 291 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: you hear whipkof talk, it becomes very clear that he 292 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: is neither smart, nor trained. 293 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: At what he's doing or knowledgeable. 294 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: Right right, you know, he keeps admitting to being rolled 295 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: by Putin uh and he keeps I mean, it just 296 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: seems baffled by all of this. And it's funny because 297 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: it's like Jared Kushner, who is by the way, conflicted 298 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: up the wazoo, right too, right, two billion dollars from 299 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: the song is just in you know what in a 300 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: signal chat with MBS like you know, who even knows 301 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: what's going on there, still seems a little bit more knowledgeable. 302 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he has ambitions, right, he's very religious, he 303 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: has he has things he would like to see happen 304 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: in the region. But I still think Woodcoff seems more 305 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: confused than Jared and not either people have been elected 306 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: or confirmed by the Senate. 307 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: No, And I mean Witcoff is both dumb and uninformed. 308 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: Jared Kushner, though, is so conflicted and corrupt, and one 309 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: of the reports is that the Saudis were leaning on him, 310 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: they really wanted an attack on Iran. Well, you know 311 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: he's he's into the Saudis. Whereas you point out billions 312 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 3: of dollars, you know it is this why we've gone 313 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: to work now. I want to put in the caveat 314 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: that the world is a better place. I think if 315 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: we have a deep nuclear Iran, if the motives were 316 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: no longer in charge. However, the confusion about all of 317 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: this does make you wonder. And again, I look, I 318 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: said this on a on a podcast yesterday. I am 319 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: this actually makes me nauseous. This whole the idea that 320 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: we are saying, or that Marco Rubio was saying, that 321 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: Israel was the one that forced our hand. This feels 322 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: like some sort of weird anti Semitic fever dream that 323 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 3: we went to war for Israel. If this turns south, 324 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: this could have ramifications. For a very very long time, 325 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: any Semitism has been on the rise, it has become 326 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: more toxic. And yet this particular dynamic saying the United 327 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: States actually went to war. I mean, this is the 328 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: kind of stuff you would get, you know, in the 329 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson you know, Candice Owen fever swamps. Right, it 330 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 3: was the you know, the Israelis made us do it. 331 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: And what does Marco Rubio do? He comes out in 332 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: public and he says it. 333 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: Out loud as a you. Yes. I was like, this 334 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: is not going to be good for us, guys, like 335 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: this is not going to be like this, this is 336 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: not good for the team. No, exactly, and I think 337 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: it's really worrying. And also, like we can look back 338 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: at Bill Clinton, who had a similar experience with Israel, 339 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, where they were sort of being he was 340 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: sort of being goaded into war and he said, I'm 341 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the superpower, You're not. 342 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: So part of this is also which is the right answer, 343 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, right? 344 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: And part of this is also Donald Trump not being 345 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: skilled at what he's doing. 346 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: Well, and also the weird way that he's engaged about it. 347 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: You know that he's you know, goes golfing, he shows 348 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: up at that dignified transfer wearing this stupid baseball cab, right, 349 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: you know, and you know, I've given him credit in 350 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: the past for having certain reptilian instincts, but the way 351 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: they are describing this war. The optics of this war 352 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: are just absolutely terrible. And by the way, on a 353 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 3: much much more serious note, the fact that the evidence 354 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: is overwhelming that it was an American Tomahawk missile that 355 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: killed all of those children, and that Donald Trump, in 356 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: the face of all of that overwhelming evidence, continues to 357 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: lie about it. Look, the fact that Donald Trump lies 358 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: is not breaking news. But there's something really there's something 359 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: really dangerous, deadly and tragic about that. 360 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that because I think it's 361 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: really important. But before we go to that, I just 362 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: want to add to what you said, which is George W. Bush, 363 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: who I had very mixed feelings about, made a real 364 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: point of not golfing during the war. 365 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: Well also, every other president in American history who've sent 366 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: men and women into harm's way have done so soberly 367 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: and seriously. There's a reason why honor has a role 368 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: in the US military war as hell. It's always been hell, 369 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: It's always terrible. But this kind of the way of 370 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: this celebration, the unseiousness, the gamification of it, the putting 371 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: out of the videos. It is the childishness with which 372 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: they're approaching that is so I won't say, but we'll 373 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: be d disturbing him. 374 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to get to this school because 375 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a really important point. So and we're 376 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: going to call out friend of this, of both of ours, 377 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Sean mccreasch, who's the White House correspondent to the New 378 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: York Times, who was on that trip and asked a 379 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: really smart question on the plane and then asked a 380 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: really smart follow up the next day. So on the 381 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: plane he said, do you have any information about the girls' school? 382 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: And Trump said, we didn't do it. It wasn't us. 383 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: And then he pushed and they said, but talked to 384 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: Hegseth Hexas said, and you saw heg sas knew we 385 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: did it. You could see in his eyes right, and 386 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: was like playing the tape through and said, well we 387 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: probably you know, he said something the effective we probably 388 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: didn't do it or something like that. Followed through the 389 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: next day and Sean mccreach said, and I think this 390 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: was very well done. He said, you know, you're the 391 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: only person saying that America didn't do it, didn't do 392 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: these these things. 393 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: We were the only people who have the Tomahawk missiles. 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: The Iranians do not have the Tomahawk missiles. 395 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: You know. And he did the thing that they do 396 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: in this administration, which I think is so important to 397 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: which is when they're lying, they don't actually just keep lying, 398 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: like Stephen Miller does. You know Trump, you can push 399 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: him and he will admit he's lying. So in that exchange, 400 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: he did in fact admit that he was lying. He said, 401 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, we don't think we did it, and if 402 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: we did do it, it was terrible. 403 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 4: You know. 404 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: He does that thing that liars do where they sort 405 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: of hunted. Yeah, so I want to talk about that 406 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: because I think it was very effective. But it's also 407 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: interesting to see that they don't necessarily keep going with 408 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: the lie. 409 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump can keep going with the lie because he's 410 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: proven his ability to do that, in his willingness to 411 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: do that. I did think it was significant that Hegsitt 412 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: did not immediately back him up. I mean, there are 413 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: these moments where you know, the evidence of your eyes 414 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: is so powerful. And by the way, let's connect the 415 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: dots to when they lied about the shootings up in Minneapolis. 416 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: Remember they went all out and then we got the 417 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: video and the evidence and at a certain point, and 418 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 3: this is actually kind of reassuring that reality catches up 419 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: to the lies, and we're never sure that we don't 420 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: cross that line where reality will never catch up with 421 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: the line. But in Minneapolis, the reality did catch up 422 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: with the line. And I think the same thing is 423 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: happening with this atrocity involving the girls school. And look, 424 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: we all know that there is collateral damage in a 425 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 3: war like this, which is again why it is so 426 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: important to make sure that you are making good decisions 427 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: and that you know what you are doing and why 428 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: you are doing it. But in this particular case, I 429 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: think the evidence has mounted, and once again it's video 430 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: evidence that they're having a hard time refuting. 431 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if we could We don't really 432 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: know yet or the reporting hasn't caught up to the reality. 433 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: But I have to wonder what role AI played in 434 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: planning these strikes, because I know from using AI search 435 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: that I could see them telling you a girl school 436 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: was not a girl school. 437 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know the answer to that, but I 438 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: think that circumstantially, you know, we know that they used 439 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: AI in Venezuela. We know that the Pentagon is obsessed 440 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 3: with AI, which is why they're they're they're trying to 441 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: beat the hell out of anthropic. So this is a 442 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: really interesting question. You know, what, what are the consequences 443 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 3: if it turned out? 444 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: Why? Why? 445 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: You know, was this a human error? Did a human 446 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 3: being press that button? Did a human being target that school? 447 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: Or did they turn it over to AI? Imagine fallout 448 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: from that? Yeah, and AI AI is first atrocity, and we'll. 449 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: Probably know sooner rather than later what happened there. 450 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope we'll find out. I don't trust the 451 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: administration to tell us. 452 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't trust this administration to tell us either, but 453 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: I do trust that and we see this more and 454 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: more as this goes on. I trust that there that 455 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: the leaking will only continue and get worse. 456 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: From from your lips to God's ear. You've seen the 457 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 3: leaking go up. 458 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, go on? 459 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean there are people who you know, like, 460 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: at a certain point, you go, I have nothing to 461 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: lose here. I'm going to be part of this. I'm 462 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: probably gonna get dragged down anyway, so we might as 463 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: well let people know what's going on. So we are 464 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: seeing a lot of these stories, and of course this 465 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: will enhance the Trump administration's paranoia and it's desire to 466 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: go after more people. The other storyline, which I'm kind 467 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: of throwing in here, is that the administration vetoed the 468 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 3: release of that Homeland Security memo that would warn American 469 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 3: law enforcement about the possibility of terrorism. That was interesting 470 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 3: that they covered that up at the time, and we're 471 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: about to find out, speaking of the leaking, the people 472 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: who are still there, all of the people who have 473 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: been purged from the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, 474 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice, who we would be relying on 475 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: right now to counter the possibility of Iranian terrorism. The 476 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 3: after action report. If it turns out that Cash Patel 477 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: and Christy Noman and others fired many of the key people, 478 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: gutted many of the protections, imagine how that's going to 479 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 3: look afterwards. I mean, remember, after nine to eleven we 480 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: talked about the failure of the FBI and the CAA 481 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: to talk to one another. That seems like a modest 482 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: f up compared to what we are possibly experiencing right now. 483 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, there's no question. I mean, we are in 484 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: deep here, and we're even seeing a federal government rehiring 485 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: now because they're missing people. I mean, one of the things. 486 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: When you look at Voice of America, which is which 487 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: is you know, just lost in court, Carrie Lake just 488 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: being told again she yeah, I couldn't have happened to 489 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: a bigger psycho. And then we'll see this reporting about 490 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Christinomes squandering all this money and then hegseeth too. What 491 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: we see is they fire these people in the wrong way, 492 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: so they have to pay them, and then a lot 493 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: of times they have to rehire them or I or 494 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: they need people to do those jobs. And so like 495 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, we've they've cut the government by nine percent, 496 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: and now they have to rehire well. 497 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: And also though you have the question of what are 498 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: the priorities, what is the leadership? We have Mark Wayne 499 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: Mullen coming into the Department of Homeland Security. I want 500 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: to keep reminding people the Department of Homeland Security was 501 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: specifically created to protect the homeland against future terror threats 502 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: from outside. But under Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, the 503 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security has been focused internally against people 504 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: who live in America. In the Wall Street Journal reported 505 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: over the weekend, they're targeting Americans. This is their priority. 506 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: So you can hire all sorts of people. But if 507 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: Donald Trump actually thinks that the enemy is within, then 508 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: we're going to continue to degrade our capability to protect 509 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: us from the enemy without. 510 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I think is where we are at 511 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: this moment, which is in itself pretty blank. Charlie Sykes, 512 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: will you come back anytime? 513 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: Anytime? 514 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Jenna Griswold is the Secretary of State of Colorado. Welcome, Welcome, Jenna, 515 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thanks for coming on. 516 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: Do you know the first time we talked was about 517 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: me speaking out on abortion restrictions back in the day. 518 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 4: I think that was pre jobs. So it's been a 519 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 4: couple of years, Molly trying to fight for just fundamental freedoms. 520 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 4: So it's always good to see you, and thanks for 521 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: being in the fight. 522 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to be here and I always enjoy 523 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: talking to you. You're my favorite secretary of State. 524 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 4: I won't tell the others. 525 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Maybe that is true. Yeah, don't tell the others, So 526 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: talk to me about you secretaries of state. It depends 527 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: on the state. But the purview is a lot of 528 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: it is fighting for elections, making sure elections are free 529 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 1: and fair. That is more than ever, really important. So 530 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: I want you to talk about what's happening right now 531 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: in Colorado. 532 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: Well, in Colorado, you know, we've been really holding the line. 533 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: And you're right, In most states, secretaries of state are 534 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: it's a statewide elected position. In most states, you're ever 535 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: seeing elections, and it has been a rise. So in 536 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 4: Colorado we've seen the far right demand access to voting equipment, 537 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: threaten election workers. We've actually had a near forty plus 538 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: percent of county clerk stepped down because of the threat 539 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: environment since twenty twenty. We had a county clerk's office 540 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: firebomb last summer, and then this Tina Peter saga just continues. 541 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: We're actually protecting the right to vote with all that 542 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: chaos going on. 543 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Tina Peters. Tina Peters is an 544 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: election clerk, right, former clerk. Former clerk explained to us 545 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: sort of what happened to her and what she did. 546 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not what happened to her, it's what she did. 547 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 548 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: So she was the elected county clerk in Mesa County, 549 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: that's the county that Grand Junction is in, and back 550 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, she actually compromised her voting equipment 551 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: trying to prove Trump's big lie. 552 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean compromised her voting equipment. 553 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, so she stole passwords, let people into the room 554 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 4: with voting equipment, and they got an to it. We 555 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: discovered it, so nothing happened to the actual vote. That 556 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: equipment was never used. We discovered it, and I ended 557 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: up addressing what was the nation's first public election insider threat. 558 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Tell me what happened next to Tina Peters. 559 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, to make a very long story short, I made 560 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 4: sure to get her removed from election oversight, and then 561 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 4: ultimately the Republican district attorney in her area of the 562 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 4: state held her accountable. So she was found guilty of 563 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: three counts of attempting to influence a public servant, along 564 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: with four other additional felony and misdimeter counts, and she 565 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: was sentenced to nine years of incarceration. And Donald Trump 566 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 4: is losing his mind over it now. Why well, I'd 567 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 4: love to hear your take. What I think is happening 568 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: is you know Trump, when he took office for the 569 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 4: second time, one of the first things he did was 570 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 4: pardon all the insurrectionists. So he is sending a message 571 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: to his followers like, hey, if you attack American elections, 572 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 4: I'll make sure to let you go. That's the president's 573 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 4: message to would be criminals. Tina Peters is the last 574 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 4: person in the entire country we believe as facing accountability 575 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 4: for attacking American elections. So I think that's part of 576 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: it that he wants to break the justice system. The 577 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: fact of it is a president cannot pardon someone charged 578 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 4: under state crimes, state charges. So I think that's a 579 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: big part of it. And the other part is just 580 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: Trump is Trump, and if it wasn't Tina Peters, it 581 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 4: might have been something else. But this is his ax 582 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 4: to grind with the state of Colorado. 583 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Talk to me about your governor. 584 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 4: So let's talk about Trump first. Trump has been retaliating 585 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 4: against the state because of Tina Peters. 586 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, and the clean water right tell us 587 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: about that. 588 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's part of it. So you know, Trump tried 589 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 4: to pressure the governor to pardon Tina Peters. He refused, 590 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 4: and then he started retaliating. So he has moved space Command, 591 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: threatened to take down the big climate research center we 592 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 4: have an in Boulder. He vetoed bipartisan legislation that would 593 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 4: help get clean water in southern Colorado, and that was 594 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 4: in Lauren Bobert's district, right, I think it was Lauren 595 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: Bobert's bill, Yeah, that he vetoed, but yeah, it was 596 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: in southern Colorado. 597 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: A maga congresswoman. Yes, go on. 598 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that he might have been mad of at the 599 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 4: time for speaking up about the Epstein files, but someone 600 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 4: who is maga and full of conspiracies just like him. 601 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 4: He also blocked a relief for victims of wildfire and flood. 602 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 4: So anyhow, he's escalating his attacks against Colorado and then 603 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: coming up with all these well, him or his team 604 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 4: coming up with all these strategies to try to get 605 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 4: Tina Pedo's release. He tried to get her transferred to 606 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 4: federal custody. We were hearing conspiracies that they would then 607 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 4: let her go on some crazy conspiracy theory. That didn't work, 608 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 4: and then the President himself pardoned Tina Peters. That doesn't 609 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 4: have any legal bearing, he can't. But the governor has 610 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: said various times that he's thinking about commuting Tina Peter's sentence, 611 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: and I think that is absolutely the wrong thing to 612 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 4: do on so many levels. 613 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that, because we've seen that if 614 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: you cave to Trump, like the Big Law firms or 615 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: some of the universities that Trump then just exacts more 616 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: pounds of flash, whereas if you stand up to him, 617 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: you tend to win in the court of law. But 618 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: it's expensive. So is that yours thinking about why he 619 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't do it or is there something else? 620 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I think there's a lot of reasons why Tina 621 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 4: Peter shouldn't get special treatment. First and foremost, Yes, I 622 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: totally agree with you. Giving into Trump shows him that 623 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 4: his retaliation and illegal requests work, and I think it 624 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 4: leads to more lawlessness from Trump. So as a strategy, 625 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 4: I don't agree with that strategy. But besides that, we 626 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 4: basically would be the message that people may not face 627 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 4: accountability for attacking our elections in the state. Delling out 628 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 4: our justice system to appease Trump is absolutely the wrong idea. 629 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 4: But above that, Molly, all the county clerks, all the 630 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 4: election officials, all the people in my office who have 631 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 4: been on the front lines of standing up in the 632 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 4: face of death threats, violent threats, insanity from the White House. 633 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: I'm worried that they're going to step down. They're working 634 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 4: around the clock since twenty nineteen to make our elections 635 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 4: in democracy work. So I think that's another one of 636 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 4: my really big concerns. But the bottom line is, if 637 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 4: the federal government is going to push lawlessness, hand out 638 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 4: pardons to Trump's supporter criminals, then state justice systems have 639 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 4: to work. By the way, that's one of the reasons 640 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 4: I'm running for attorney general. We have to have a 641 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 4: justice system at the state level that works to counter 642 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 4: this federal lawlessness. 643 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: So where is the governor on this now? 644 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 4: Well, last week or the week before, he again sent 645 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 4: out a tweet suggesting that he's thinking about commuting the sentence, 646 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 4: and he compared it to the sentence of another person 647 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 4: who was found guilty for attempting to influence a public servant, 648 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 4: who got a much less sentence. So you know, I 649 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 4: leaned in again. Many Democrats in Colorado have spoken up 650 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: and in this specific comparison he was making beside one 651 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 4: count of in common, it is just not accurate that 652 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 4: Peters and this other person did the same thing. Theaters 653 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 4: organized a breach of election equipment, broke the public trust, 654 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 4: attacked the foundations of our democracy, and she is still 655 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 4: being used as a maga hero and as a justification 656 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 4: to undermine the twenty six elections. I don't think she 657 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: should get any special treatment from the governor. And I 658 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 4: am incredibly worried about his statement. I hope he does 659 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 4: not commute her sentence. 660 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I wonder if you could talk about 661 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: the sort of incentives as a governor. We've seen democratic 662 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: governor's struggle with how to have an executive who's so 663 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: unhinged and interact with him. Talk to me about that. 664 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, it's a hard situation. 665 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: You know. 666 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 4: Trump has also tried to block millions of dollars for 667 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 4: the Forest of Families in Colorado. This is an unhinged 668 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 4: president willing to do anything. But appeasement doesn't work. It doesn't. 669 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 4: It just leads to more lawlessness. And I think it's 670 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 4: really important to underline that, you know, the Tina Peter 671 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 4: saga is going on in the middle of Trump trying 672 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 4: to use the federal government to weaken our democracy and 673 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 4: attack our elections. He has already disabled much of the 674 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 4: federal government's work on securing elections. So he disabled the 675 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 4: FBI's work and DHS's work on counter foreign election interference 676 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 4: and foreign disinformaed. He has election deniers and positions of 677 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 4: power in the Department of Justice and Homeland Security has 678 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 4: absolutely weaponized the DOJ to go after people who have 679 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 4: stood up to him. And you know, he's threatened to 680 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 4: take over elections or cancel elections. So in the face 681 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 4: of this existential threat to American democracy, we need Democratic 682 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: leaders and frankly Republican leaders who have a backbone to 683 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 4: stand up. I do think we're going to get through 684 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 4: twenty six, Mollie, but man, oh man, we are in 685 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 4: a bad spot and we cannot give in to this 686 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 4: mad man in the White House. 687 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love you to talk about what's happening 688 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: on the ground in Colorado. I was in Arizona. The 689 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: big worries are that we're seeing from voters are twofold, 690 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: and it seems to be the biggest things are iced 691 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: attention centers and data centers. I would love you to 692 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: talk through what the local threats you're seeing and are 693 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: the local issues. 694 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: You know, talking about ice on the election front. I 695 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 4: actually just let a letter with other Democratic Secretaries of 696 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 4: State to the new DHS nominee getting him to confirm 697 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 4: put it in writing that there will not be an 698 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 4: ICE presence at polling locations across the country in this 699 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 4: election cycle. 700 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: That seems important. 701 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does seem very important. I would say Trump 702 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 4: is using the military in Ice to intimidate American citizens, 703 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 4: to terrorize cities into getting his way. And it's not 704 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 4: just in the election space. We saw it play out 705 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 4: in Minnesota, We've seen in the threats in other states 706 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 4: at large. I think there is a lot of worry 707 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 4: about ICE, and again putting on sharing the fact that 708 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 4: I'm running for Attorney General, it is really important that 709 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 4: we hold the line against federal actors who think that 710 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 4: they have immunity. They do not. They absolutely do not. 711 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 4: A badge doesn't give you the ability to just ignore 712 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 4: the concert institution. I think if I'm elected AG, I'll 713 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 4: be making sure to hold ICE actors accountable if they 714 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 4: commit crimes or violate people's constitutional rights. We have a 715 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 4: law in the books in Colorado that prohibits a state 716 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 4: and local actors from for the most part, working with 717 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: immigration officials. The Attorney general enforces those laws. We also, 718 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 4: I think all should be incredibly worried about the investigations 719 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 4: into the killings in Minnesota. We cannot trust the federal 720 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 4: government at this point to do accurate and investigations and 721 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 4: hold that actors accountable. So I do think states need 722 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 4: to lean in. When I'm elected, AG, I'm going to 723 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 4: be leaning in to make sure that if something horrible 724 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 4: like that does occur here, that we are getting justice. 725 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 4: You know, the Supreme Court has made it easier for 726 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 4: Trump to act like a criminal in office. They have, 727 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 4: but all the people around him, they do not get 728 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 4: to act in a lawless way and avoid accountability. So 729 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 4: I do think we need a dose of accountability in 730 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 4: this country at this point. 731 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who are 732 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: worried that the midterm elections aren't going to be free 733 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: and fair. Can you please tell them that they will 734 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,959 Speaker 1: be and that there are people fighting to make sure 735 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: of that, because I really think part of trump Ism 736 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: is that they want you to think that even before 737 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: it's happened. Yeah, they do. 738 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 4: That's part of the chaos strategy, right part. So people 739 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 4: get intimidated and they self suppress. They're afraid about what's 740 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 4: going to happen, so they don't even go vote. Or 741 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 4: the other hand is, you know, MAGA loses and then 742 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 4: they're able to point to all the conspiracies that they've 743 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 4: laid for years instead of taking accountability that they're unpopular 744 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 4: and people don't want them in power. At this point, 745 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 4: I absolutely believe we will have free and fair elections 746 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. I think, unlike in twenty twenty, 747 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 4: everybody knows what could be coming. And a good example 748 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 4: in Colorado. You know, in twenty twenty, I was building 749 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 4: contingencies for a lot of the topic that we're discussing today, 750 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 4: federal presence around voting vocations, federal law enforcement grabbing voting equipment, 751 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 4: attacks on the postal service. But I wouldn't say that 752 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 4: was as widespread as it maybe could have been. But 753 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 4: now everybody absolutely knows what's that risk. And even in Colorado, 754 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 4: we now have the Governor's office and Attorney General's office 755 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 4: at the table building contingencies, running through disaster scenarios with us. 756 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 4: We're also continuing to modify our law to make sure 757 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 4: that we can respond. So for example, you know we 758 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 4: have in person voting, but also send out mail ballots. Well, 759 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 4: we want to send out ballots a little earlier, so 760 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,479 Speaker 4: if there is any postal disruption we have a little 761 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 4: bit more time. We want to open up drop boxes earlier. 762 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 4: It's things like that that I do think we will 763 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 4: be prepared, and again Trump is able to raise the 764 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 4: just feeling of dread in this country. He is not 765 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 4: a leader. He is the opposite of a leader. And 766 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 4: what we need Americans of good will to understand is 767 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 4: they do not want you to vote. That's why they've 768 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 4: tried to suppress the vote. That's why they're doing this 769 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 4: corrupt redistricting in Texas and North Carolina. I believe we 770 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 4: fight fire with fire. I want to see us open 771 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 4: up redistricting in Colorado. But at the end of the day, 772 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 4: Trump is afraid of American voters. That's why he's sending 773 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 4: ice into different communities. That's why they're trying to suppress 774 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 4: the vote. That's why he's threatening, you know, the Save Bill, 775 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 4: the megabill in Congress. So we just all have to 776 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 4: hold the line. Election officials, we're going to hold the line, 777 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 4: but we need voters to do what's right too, and 778 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 4: that's make sure you have a plan to vote and 779 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 4: make your voice heard in our democracy. In twenty twenty six. 780 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jenna, thank you, No moment Jesse. 781 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 2: Cannon smali ive Ni one of my great, great great 782 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 2: grievances in the music. I'm presently working on a dot com. 783 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 2: You've been to repeace about them and the way they 784 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 2: steal from the public, musicians and bipartisan There's been many 785 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 2: attacks on them, and yet they figure it out a 786 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 2: simple equation of how to get mister Trump to look 787 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 2: the other way for them. They first donated five hundred 788 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: thousand dollars to is an inaugural committee that appointed a 789 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 2: bunch of his friends, and look at that, a bipartisan 790 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: selection of attorneys generals are now livid that this case 791 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: has been dismissed and settled with barely a slap on 792 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 2: the wrist. 793 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there's a really good point here. 794 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: So Live Nation donates half a million dollars to Trump's 795 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: inaugural committee, appoints former Trump Cabinet member Rick Gurnell, you 796 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: may remember him as ruining the Kennedy Center, and you 797 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: hire George Conway's ex wife, Kelly Ann and Mike Davis 798 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: to lead the settlement. You ask the DOJ as chief 799 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: anti trust lawyer, and Wuila, Live Nation can continue to 800 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: be the monopoly it has long sought to be. And 801 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: there we go. So here we go. 802 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 2: Can I tell you my favorite detail of this that 803 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people miss that. It's the trumpiest detail 804 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 2: you'll love. 805 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 806 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 2: So on Monday, the DOJ lawyer goes to court and 807 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 2: he finds out that on Friday, the Trump administration had 808 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 2: sold the case. 809 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: That no one bothered to tell him. 810 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,439 Speaker 2: Just perfect trump Ism right there. 811 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That's it for this episode of 812 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday 813 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: to hear the best minds and politics make sense of 814 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: all this chaos. 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