1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 3: And this is Sarah Hartunger. I'm a mother of three, 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 3: a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: two working parents who love our careers and our families. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: out long term career goals. We want you to get 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: the most out of life. 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. In 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: this episode, Sarah is going to be interviewing Megan Steppinick, 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: who is one of our Patreon community members in addition 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: to being an awesome person combining work in life. But 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: if people are wondering, our Patreon community is going strong, 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: you can come join us and we have great discussions. 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: So we do monthly online meetups which are fun, but 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of the bread and butter of how we interact 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: is just. 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: On the Patreon page for our group. 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: We have discussion threats and we have talked about all 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: kinds of cool things recently, I mean, from the best 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: parties we've thrown to how to find a job pregnant, 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: whether to take a job if you are the only 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: remote employee, how to deal with kid anxiety around various activities. 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: Just a lot of incredibly useful information from other people 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: who are probably in the same boat. So encouraging people 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: to come join us. We love to grow that community, 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: and Megan is part of it. So Sarah tell us 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the episode. 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Megan volunteered. I think she called herself. I 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: knew you were trying to do more regular person episodes, 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: and I wanted to put myself out there, and her 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: idea of what she wanted to talk about. What we 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: did end up talking about is the value of making 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: lateral moves to further one's career, which is great because 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: I don't think it's a topic we've addressed before, not 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: one that I have any expertise on, And so I 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: learned a lot from her about how she's kind of 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: had similar roles in various companies and how she's navigated 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: that to craft a job that she loves, really find 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: an environment that she enjoys working in, build her skill set, 44 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: build her confidence, and even perhaps earn more money as well. 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: So it was a really informative and fun interview. Plus 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 3: we get into the weeds a little bit on day 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: of the life stuff and logistics because you know, I 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: always liked talking about that. So Yeah, it was a 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: really fun and useful conversation. 50 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was realizing as you were talking about lateral moves. 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things of having your own 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: business or or a creative career. 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 4: I don't know what a yeah, I mean. 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Everything's a lateral move, I guess, but there's no clear 55 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: career progression, right. You don't go from a senior vice 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: president to this next or something. It's it's very much like, well, 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: what should I do next? I don't know what did 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: other people do next? What do I find interesting? What 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: could I get people to pay me for? So anything 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: could be a lateral move, anything could be a move backwards. 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: It's really just kind of hard to know. 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: You try it out, see how it goes. It's an 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: ill defined, meandering path. I mean, I was picturing a 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: lateral move for somebody like you to be like if 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: you were writing for Fast Company and then all of 66 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: a sudden you switch to write for a different publication. 67 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: That's kind of like a lateral move. But not really, 68 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: because you're not very important. 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I've got to in and out of all sorts of 70 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: different publications that probably all have very similar circulations. Often, 71 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, you write for one and then you know 72 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: an editor you like leave, so you kind of and 73 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: then you go somewhere else, and then that publication goes 74 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: out of business, and then you go somewhere else. And yeah, 75 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of that, but you know, you 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: keep attempting to inch forward at least as these things go. 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: But very curious to hear how Megan has managed her career. 78 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: So we'll let her take it from here. 79 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: Welcome Megan to the show. I'm so excited to have you. 80 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: Meghan is a Patreon subscriber and I think a blog 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: reader and podcast listener, and she emailed us with a 82 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: topic that I thought would be fascinating for our listeners, 83 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: and I'll let her share a little bit more about that. 84 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: But also, as requested, we want to bring more of 85 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: those just glimpses into people's everyday working lives, how they're 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: making work in life together. And I thought Megan would 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: be a wonderful contributor to this series. So welcome Megan. 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. For having me. As you mentioned, 89 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: I am a huge fan of your and Laura's work, 90 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 4: so excited to be on the podcast. Yay. 91 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: Yes, you mentioned it was on your hundred Dreams list, 92 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: which made me super happy. So tell us or tell 93 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: our listeners a little bit about the main thing you 94 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: had wanted. Well, first, tell us how old are your kids, 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: what did your current career look like, and then a 96 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: little hint of the main topic you wanted to talk about. 97 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: Absolutely so, my husband and I have been married for 98 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: fifteen years. We live in Sat. Paul, Minnesota, have three kids. 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: Ellen is eleven and the sixth grader, Benny's eight year 100 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: old and a third grader, and Kate is five and 101 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: then pre k and so busy in those school ages 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 4: as you know. And currently my husband works from home 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 4: and I lead a business at a large manufacturing company 104 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: that I would say in the Fortune one thousand. Have 105 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: always been in kind of B to B business to 106 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: business marketing roles in a variety of a few different 107 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: companies that are headquartered in the Twin Cities and across 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: the few different companies I've worked in. Generally, those moves 109 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: have always been lateral moves, and so thought that was 110 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: interesting to talk about a lot of people I know 111 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: want to get a promotion when they move companies, but 112 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: I've actually found that taking a lateral move can help 113 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 4: one build confidence in your career and your skills, but 114 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: also to still bring a lot of career kind of 115 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: upward trajectory once you're in and settled and can have 116 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 4: proven yourself. So I thought it would be of interest 117 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: potentially to the audience definitely. 118 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: And the truth is, there are some roles in which 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: lateral is the main move that makes sense. I mean, 120 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: I think about medicine or I mean maybe law to 121 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: some extent, But if you're sort of in one type 122 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: of practice that is maybe your forever type of practice 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: and you don't have particular leadership aspirations, lateral is kind 124 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: of your your main option, right, So I think this 125 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: is going to be widely applicable. And I also have 126 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: to say, oh my goodness, your kids are like parallel 127 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: to mine. Although yeah, fifth, third and pre k, what 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: do you think about that? 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: Ye? 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: Six? 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: Third, yep you six? 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: What do you feel like before we get into lateral moves? 133 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: What do you feel about this space? 134 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: I'm enjoying it. I mean, life gets easier so we 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 4: had our kids. They're each like three years apart. So 136 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: we were in diapers for nine years, we were in 137 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 4: naps for nine years. We were you know, so getting 138 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 4: out of some of those things has been awesome. 139 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: You know. 140 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: Once our youngest hit three, we really said, you know, 141 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: going out to dinner, vacations, like just so many things 142 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: opened up because I, you know, we I want enjoyment 143 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: out of things, and so if things were too stressful, 144 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: I kind of would stay away from them. And so 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: we did feel like totally on the upswing since the 146 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: youngest was three and now in a fun age where 147 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: you know, even I'll talk like, my husband works from 148 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: home and so he gets them on the bus, he works, 149 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: and they can come home and have screen time and 150 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: you know it's fine. They can get their snacks sometimes 151 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 4: ruin their dinner, but you know, so it goes. 152 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: I love it, okay. Well, Pivoting back to the discussion 153 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: of career, when did you first realize that it was 154 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: time to think about making a lateral move and what 155 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: were your thoughts at that stuncture. Was it scary, was 156 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: it something you had heard about others doing. Did you 157 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: wonder whether you should be looking for something different instead, 158 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: tell us about your journey the furry first time. 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. So, and I think in business, you know, 160 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: you mentioned some other career paths where laterals might be 161 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: more of the norm, but in business and so, I've 162 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: always been in marketing roles prior to my current role 163 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: of leading to business. You know, people move for upward trajectory. 164 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: And so my first company move, I was at a 165 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: company feeling for ten years and so had really kind 166 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: of grown up from a career perspective. I knew how 167 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: they did marketing, I knew the products, the customers, et cetera. 168 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: And I was at that point of looking for promotion 169 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 4: at the company and it was maybe going to happen, 170 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: but I didn't know when. And so a role came 171 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: up outside and I just thought, this is an opportunity 172 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: for me to see if what I've learned and my 173 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: skill set translates. And so, honestly, it was probably the 174 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: most confidence building move I've made, because they did. I 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: moved to a different company. It was a smaller company, 176 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: it was different types of it was a different type 177 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: of product, it was a different sales channel. It was 178 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: you know, all new people. I had to okay, I'm 179 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: known for delivering results or building relationships, like can I 180 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: do that elsewhere? And so it was one where I 181 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 4: often think about when I talk to people about this, 182 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: you know, are you running from something or are you 183 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: running to something? And of course it's always better to 184 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 4: be running too towards something versus a way. But I 185 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: look back and you know, I'm sure could have had 186 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 4: a great career had I stayed there as well. But 187 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 4: it really was an opportunity to stretch and kind of 188 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: flex those muscles and see did I have what I 189 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 4: needed to be successful elsewhere? So that was the first 190 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 4: time amazing. 191 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: And then how long were you at that role before 192 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: you decided it was time to move on again? And 193 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: once again, how did you know what clues you in 194 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: or is it more like serendipitous? Something just comes up 195 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, that does sound cool. I guess 196 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: I'll see what happens. 197 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the next one was a bit more serendipitous. I 198 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: loved the current role, but it was a smaller company 199 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: and I wasn't sure what the opportunity would be to 200 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: move ahead. So I had a really broad role, which 201 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 4: is one of the things that had attracted me because 202 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: it was a smaller company, and so the breadth of 203 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 4: the work was wide, but from an upward perspective, there 204 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: weren't as many opportunities, and so it was a little 205 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: bit serendipitous that had applied at a company, large company 206 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: in the Twin Cities that was well known and saw 207 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: the upward trajectory potential and saw that there could be 208 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: a long term fit there, and so it came to Fruition. 209 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 4: It was one of those I applied online and got 210 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: a call and went through the whole process, and it 211 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: was you didn't really know anyone there, and it just 212 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: happened to work out. But again, it was hardly a 213 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: salary increase, and it was a very similar role that 214 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 4: I felt comfortable and knew I would be successful in, 215 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 4: but didn't want to be in forever. And so again 216 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: it was one of those since I had done it before, 217 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 4: I knew I could go in and you know, had 218 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: some confidence coming in that you know could do it again. 219 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 4: And so I think a lot of times there's this 220 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: back and forth between changing jobs and companies is hard. 221 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: There's that inertia to stay because in the short term, 222 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 4: I think the upheaval of not only yourself and the 223 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: work you have to put in, but your family. I mean, 224 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: it is a big commitment for the entire family anytime 225 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: one of the parents changes their job, and so trying 226 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: to balance that short term piece with okay, what are 227 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: the long term of fits that might come from that, 228 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: and just taking a balanced view. And there are times 229 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 4: when that makes sense and there are times when it doesn't. 230 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: But I would say that when you know, I started 231 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: the new job at the new company, and what it 232 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: was maybe six months later, was telling my boss I 233 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 4: was pregnant with my third child, you know, and so 234 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: still we had been debating if we had the big 235 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: debate two versus three, And it was even when I 236 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: was moving jobs that we were kind of in that debate. 237 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: And then yes, was in the role for a couple months, 238 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: found out I was pregnant, Like, okay, So there's never 239 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 4: a perfect time, But would just say, you know, continuing 240 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: careers are long, and those times can while they feel 241 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: long in the moment, can be short. And so it 242 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 4: was a really positive move. Had a you know, they 243 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: were supportive of as you would anticipate as they should 244 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: be going out on maternity leave and coming back, you know, 245 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 4: so I had her had the baby, I think right 246 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: before I had hit a year, that's what the timing was. 247 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: But then was able to get to promotions and be 248 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 4: able to take on additional responsibilities and expand the role 249 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 4: in the six years that I was at that company. 250 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: Well, that's amazing. And to think that you might have thought, oh, no, 251 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: my path here is doomed just because I'm going to 252 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: have a baby soon after starting. I mean, yeah, there's 253 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: no way. It is so short in the grand scheme 254 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: of things, and it feels like such a big deal 255 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: in the moment, and it may even feel like a 256 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: big deal to those above you for like five minutes, 257 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: and then it passes, and then you prove yourself and 258 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: it's over and pumping is like way in the rear 259 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: view mirror. And I mean, you were there a year 260 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: before you had your baby. I was at my first 261 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: and only job really for only six months before I 262 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: had Cameron. And now it's funny how big a deal 263 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: that seemed at the time, and how how little time 264 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: it really was. 265 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: So right and they're happy you're there and there, you know, 266 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: I could look back now that was a blip on 267 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 4: the radar of your career but yes, absolutely going in 268 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: to tell my boss that I was expecting a third baby, 269 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: and even I don't know if other people have felt this, 270 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: but I felt like two's normal for a career driven person. 271 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 4: But three, you know, are they going to think that 272 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: I'm committed to work? Are they gonna put me on 273 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: the mommy track? Because three kids feels just more more 274 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: and you know, can you really be successful in your 275 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: career as a woman as a mom. So it was 276 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: stressful at the time, but obviously you know in hindsight 277 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: it all works out. And to your point, it absolutely 278 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: is a blip on the radar, and I try and 279 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: remember that when I have team members coming and telling 280 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: me that they're expecting that. In the grand scheme, it's 281 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 4: short and work will get through it, and businesses are 282 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: made to get by with people out. 283 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: Yes, love it. Well, We're going to take a quick 284 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: break and then I want to talk a tiny bit 285 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: more about the lateral move trajectory. All right, we are back, 286 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: and I'm curious because you know, there is a trade 287 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: off when you choose to make a lateral move right, 288 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: you're not building perhaps certain types of benefits that might 289 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: accrue at a company like some companies might even have 290 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: different escalating paid leave policies or salary ladders or things 291 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: like that. Plus, staying at a company might make you 292 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: a front runner for certain leadership positions, although that might 293 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: not actually be true. 294 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: You'll have to tell me. 295 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: In different industries, maybe some companies are much more excited 296 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: to hire from outsides than get a fresh perspective. So, 297 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: I guess if you can talk about some of the 298 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: pros and cons of going laterally versus staying a longer 299 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: amount of time in one place, since you've had a 300 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: little taste of both at this point, I would love 301 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: to learn about that. 302 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great question. I think you know, 303 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: A few things come to mind, So one first and foremost, 304 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: you know, compensation and salary. I think it can go 305 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: both ways. I think I think about the first job 306 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 4: I was at for ten years. When you're at a 307 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: role or at a company for a long period of time, 308 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: and potentially if you're someone who has moved up quickly. 309 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: In general, I'm going to talk in generalizations, you can 310 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: be underpaid, honestly, and so there's that piece of it. 311 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 4: And then to your point, there can be a time 312 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: where you might be giving things up when you move 313 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: companies and or if you're not, so you think about vacation. 314 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: That's a common one that accruise over time and something 315 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: to think about, something that can be negotiated. I don't 316 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 4: love negotiating, but it's something I kind of kick myself. 317 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: You have to do something, and so sometimes even if 318 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 4: I'm trepidacious to negotiate from a salary or some of 319 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: the financial pieces, ask for increasing vacation. To me, that's 320 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 4: an easier piece that you can negotiate. And then when 321 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: it comes to benefits in some of those there is 322 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: an upheaval of switching those if you're carry you know 323 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: the actual logistics of okay, we're on my medical and dental, 324 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: et cetera, and switching and shifting. But generally I would 325 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 4: say those are short lived. It likely varies. I've generally 326 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: worked for larger companies, so it's you know, yes, there's 327 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: going to be a little bit plus or minus, but 328 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 4: nothing majorly different. So those would be the things that 329 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 4: I would think about. I also would just say from 330 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: a salary and broader compensation perspective, when you're internal, you 331 00:17:54,520 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 4: have fewer negotiation powers. They know what you make. I 332 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 4: have HR policies around general merit increases, promotions and what 333 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: percentage comes along with that. Thus, we've been at a 334 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 4: company for a really long time that can get a 335 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 4: bit out. It could there's potential for it to get 336 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: out of whack. When you're coming in new you get 337 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: to set the stage and so there are times where 338 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: you could say what you're currently making and what you're 339 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 4: currently making is up to you. So I would just 340 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 4: say that's something to think about when looking external and 341 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: can be something that helps with that short term long 342 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: term you know, inertia, the upheaval of moving companies, that 343 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: can be the opportunity to get a much larger raise 344 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: than you would ever get internally. I think that's whether 345 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: that's good or bad. And you know, I think people 346 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: I don't want to be so pro moving companies. I 347 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 4: think it's really great to have good experiences and really 348 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 4: have a valuable career and that could be long term 349 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: at places, but I just don't want people to be 350 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 4: afraid of it. But that can be a huge opportunity 351 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: to kind of reset. 352 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: Very interesting. I also, you know, as I'm thinking about this, 353 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: the learning opportunities seem enormous because when you stay in 354 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: one place, you only experience one way to do things, 355 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: and the best way to find out that there are 356 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: many ways is to actually see how others are doing things. 357 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: So probably by having a few slightly different experiences, you 358 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: come out a even more attracted and well rounded Kennedy. 359 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: That might help you then later kind of go up 360 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: the ladder, if that's what you choose to do. 361 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think whether you're learning new customers, new market, 362 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: new product in my case, also seeing how different things 363 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 4: are done. But it also we talk about agility, so 364 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 4: the ability to adapt to ambiguous environments, and I do 365 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 4: think moving companies, being brand new, having to create your 366 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 4: kind of work brand all over again when you are 367 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 4: an unknown entity, can really build on some of those skills. 368 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: And you've mentioned that a couple of times. What is 369 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: the Megan's secret for if you had to distill it 370 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 3: into being like, Okay, I want them to know me 371 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: as like, as you said, someone who gets stuff done. 372 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: If you were to distill that down into one pithy 373 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: piece of advice, what have you done to be that person? 374 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, And I also want to say, you know, 375 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 4: of course this is adding my life example and things 376 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: I'm extremely happy with my career in my life, but 377 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 4: not that I have all the answers by any stretch. 378 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: But I mean what I would say is one self awareness, 379 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: So what do you want to be known for? And 380 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: really that is what are you? And what have you 381 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: been known for? Being honest with yourself and being open 382 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 4: and communicate that. So understand what your brand has been 383 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 4: and share that with people. I am known for X, 384 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: and I want to work to be successful at this 385 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: new company by doing that. Here to ask for advice, 386 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: that's my favorite question when I'm meeting with new people 387 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 4: at a new company and getting up to speed and 388 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 4: onboarding and just saying what would be our advice as 389 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 4: someone new to this organization, and then two or three 390 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: leverage being new and try to meet as many people 391 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: as possible. That is not what comes naturally to me always, 392 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: especially once I'm a bit settled, and so I know 393 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 4: myself I need to capitalize on that immediately because I 394 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 4: don't feel awkward saying reaching out to because I'm new, 395 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: I have a reason. Once I'm there for two or 396 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: three years, I'm like, oh, if I haven't met that, 397 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 4: you know, it feels a little more like networking to network, 398 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: which is not my favorite thing. So those would be 399 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 4: my three things. Know yourself and share it, to ask 400 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: for advice, and three meet as many people as possible. 401 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: Those are excellent. I love that all right. Now, I 402 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: want to ask you a little about that kind of 403 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: fitting work and life together type of stuff. I'm especially 404 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: interested since you have a partner who works from home, 405 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: so that would, I'm guessing, make you the less flexible one, 406 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: although that's an assumption because not every work from home 407 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: job is a flexible job. So tell me a little 408 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: bit about how you have your logistics arranged in your family, 409 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 3: what kind of childcare or not are you using, and 410 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: then perhaps take us through a little day in the 411 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: life at Megan's house. 412 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 4: Yes, so you are in the current So I started 413 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: a new company over the past year, and we are 414 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: much more in person after having been remote at my 415 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 4: previous role for the previous two years. And so my 416 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: husband is at home full time and I'm in the 417 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: office nearly full time. I would say, the kids are 418 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: in school, and so right now we don't have a 419 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 4: ton of childcare. My parents are close and help. And 420 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: then we had had a nanny for seven plus years 421 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 4: and so she helps a lot with days off school 422 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: and some of those pieces. So example, my third grader 423 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: was off on Friday and she was with them, But 424 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 4: which are the kids love them too, So that's been 425 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 4: working out well. But a day in the life would 426 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: be I get up six forty five and leave the 427 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 4: house by seven fifteen. So I am not a morning 428 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: routine person. I am a get up, get ready, eat breakfast, 429 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 4: and out the door quickly. My husband gets the kids 430 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 4: breakfasted on the bus and so then I'm at work. 431 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: It's about a thirty minute commute. So I'm usually at 432 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: work generally we'll say eight to five. I work out 433 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 4: over lunch three times a week. We have a gym, 434 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 4: and so I've been trying to do more weightlifting. And 435 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: then my lunch routine, which I wanted to highlight, which 436 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: I love, is I generally lunch in my office while 437 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 4: reading all the blog updates. So that's my kind of 438 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: routine started over COVID and I love it. You know, 439 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: get home. My husband is generally organizing dinner since he's 440 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: the one that's home, and so we have dinner, which 441 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: you know is a variable mix. And then usually if 442 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: either it's kids activities, or if it's nice out, trying 443 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: to get a little time outside biking, park, talk, whatever. 444 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: And if it's winter in Minnesota, then we're doing something inside, 445 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 4: playing puzzles, TV shows, winding down before bed. The kids 446 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: head up for bed about eight, and then we kind 447 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: of read and snuggle and then and maybe you know, 448 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: nine to ten, my husband and I watch a show 449 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: and catch up, and then I'm in bed and reading 450 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 4: by ten. I need at least eight hours of sleep, 451 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 4: prefer a little more. And so that's the general flow 452 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: of the weekdays. 453 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: I love it. I enjoy days in the life a lot. 454 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: So maybe we'll have more of them. We'll see. I 455 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: don't know if Laura likes them as much, which is 456 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: funny because she's our time logger, but maybe she's read 457 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: so many people's logs that she's already seen it all. 458 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 3: I love hearing little details, including the times, and I'm 459 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: always comparing my own time frame to others timeframe, and 460 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: it's so interesting how you can have so much the 461 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: same and yet have so much that's different. I wish 462 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: Genevieve would go to bed at eight. 463 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 4: That's all I have to say. 464 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 3: Anyway, So this has been lovely. I would love us 465 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: to share a love of the week, and I did 466 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: prep you ahead of times. So do you want to 467 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: go first? 468 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 4: Sure, I'm going to go with a recent purchase that 469 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 4: I made, which is some pants for work. So they're 470 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 4: the spanks perfect pants and they're washable and I got 471 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: them in a couple styles and multiple colors, and so 472 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 4: they're kind of becoming my uniform and just fit nicely, 473 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 4: don't have to think about it, and so huge. 474 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: Fan love it. Well, I'm going to change mine and 475 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: I'm going to do pants too, so I can match you. 476 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: So I ordered some stuff from Marine Layer, which is 477 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: not a sponsor or anything. They seem to just like 478 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: have my style nailed and their stuff tends to fit 479 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: me well. So I was super excited to get my 480 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: first in many years, probably since college, pair of wide 481 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: leg pants. And they're really cute. They're like kind of 482 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 3: a peach color and like a trueful wide leg and 483 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: I thought, as someone who is five foot one, I 484 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: might not be able to pull it out, but I 485 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 3: thought they looked pretty cute. I wore them out to dinner. 486 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: I got a couple compliments and I'm into them, so 487 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: I'll if you send me a link to your pants, 488 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: and I've heard spanks has some really cute like actual 489 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 3: clothing now, so I'm excited to see these pants and 490 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: I will link to mine as well. 491 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 4: Yes, it's the only thing I have from Spank. I'm 492 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: not a big spank chopper, but I heard about the 493 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 4: pants and support them. 494 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: No, I've seen them linked on like multiple legit fashion 495 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: websites and such, so you're on the pulse. Awesome, Megan, Well, 496 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: this has been so much fun. This is Megan Stepanick. Meghan, 497 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: can people find you? Do you have a blog? Do 498 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: you have a presence? 499 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram but under Megan q V a l E. 500 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 4: Which is my main name, or on LinkedIn Meghan Stepanick. 501 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing. I think 502 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: this has probably been a useful episode for many probably 503 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: made people think about things they may have not allowed 504 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: themselves to consider. Perhaps, So if you have feedback or 505 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: you have your own lateral move stories to share, we 506 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: would love to hear them. Otherwise, thank you so much, Megan. 507 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: It was a pleasure to have you on. 508 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me. 509 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: All right, well we are back. Sarah was interviewing Megan 510 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Stepinick about lateral career moves, among other things of combining 511 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: work in life. So we got this question a Patreon 512 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: member asked us to post, and we thought we'd share 513 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: some of ours and what other wreck people are coming. 514 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: What are your favorite podcasts these days? What are you 515 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: enjoying listening to? 516 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 4: So I'll let Sarah take this because I don't really. 517 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Listen to that many. Why don't you go ahead? 518 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: I feel bad because I actually recently got a question 519 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: from a different person on Besley Plan, So I kind 520 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: of like read the list there, but I'll give you 521 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: some highlights. Actually, I'm going to give you the categories 522 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: of podcasts that I listened to, with one representative from 523 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: each category. I think that'll work and be less repetitive. 524 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: So I listened to some running podcasts, for example, I 525 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: love Another Mother Runner. By the way, you will notice 526 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: that almost all the podcasts that I'm like, I love 527 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: this one, they've been on the show in some form 528 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: or on Bestlely Plans. And that's because when I love 529 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: a podcast enough, I'm eventually going to reach out to 530 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: whoever makes the podcast and beg them to come on 531 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: my productions. So there's been a lot of crossover here 532 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: life podcasts or parenting podcasts. I love The Mom Hour 533 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: and I love Laura Tremain's Ten Things to Tell You, 534 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: which she went on a year hiatus but then came back. 535 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: I have some planning type podcasts. I love Planners and 536 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: Wine and the Stationary Cafe financial podcasts How the Money, 537 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: which we've done acrossover with Freakonomics and No Stupid Questions. 538 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 3: I love like organizing and just sort of like how 539 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: to do your life better type podcast including Cal Newport's 540 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: Deep Questions, Happier with Gretchen Rubin, and more Organized through 541 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: sixty five goes in that category for me, and again 542 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: another crossover, and then books and music. I love NPR's 543 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: All Songs Considered and vocals What Should I Read Next? 544 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: And then some just other like randoms. I don't listen 545 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: to a lot of like true crime or stories, although 546 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: I've enjoyed some specific ones like I loved at least 547 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: two of the three serials, and I loved Escaping Nexim, 548 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: which I've talked about from the Canadian broadcast companies. So 549 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: if you have rex for like a specific finite story 550 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: type podcast, I might be into it. But generally the 551 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: ones I listened to are more just like life and 552 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: related to my hobbies, and I listen to them while 553 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: running and I don't want to be too stressed out, 554 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: and they're great, Yeah, no, sounds good. 555 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: I tend to run in silence, so that's a. 556 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 557 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've just never really gotten into listening 558 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, if I'm an on treadmill, yeah, 559 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: but if I'm running outside, which I vastly prefer to do, 560 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: then that I just enjoy the silence while I'm running. 561 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: So that sort of leaves podcasts for time in the car, 562 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: which my kids tend not to want to listen to 563 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: the podcast, so then I'm generally trying to talk with 564 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: them if they're in the car. If I'm driving to 565 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: get one of them, then I can listen to a podcast. 566 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: But of late, I've more been listening to recordings of 567 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: music that my choir is performing because I'm trying to 568 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: learn it. It's been very complicated music lately. That we 569 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: did this Saint John's Passion that was quite complicated. We 570 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: did Carol Burnett's Bluegrass Mass, which was also very difficult, 571 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: and so it's like extra practice time to have it 572 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: playing in the car and so I've tended to use 573 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: of late that time for that. But I like many 574 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: of those podcasts that Sarah listened to as well. I've 575 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: listened to many of those, can highly recommend them, and 576 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: that's you know why we keep having the post sod 577 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: on this program too. So anyway, this has been best 578 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: of both worlds. We will be back next week with 579 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. 580 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 581 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 582 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: and you. 583 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 584 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 585 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 586 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: work together.