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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr garbutschaf tear down this wall. Either

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Speaker 1: you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

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Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with trunk is not. When the President

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four

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Speaker 1: nine hundred to eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice,

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton. Healthcare hysteria abounds, my friends. It is all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Happy sanco demyo. Buck Sexton here with

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Speaker 1: you all. I really appreciate you hanging out with me

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Speaker 1: on this. Well, hopefully it's lovely wherever you are. It's

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much for being with me. I

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Speaker 1: very much appreciated. And yesterday you have the House pass

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Speaker 1: different details of it, all right, so we know what's

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, are back to the GOP wants to kill

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Speaker 1: That that's mostly the argument there. There's a real discussion

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Speaker 1: you've got Jezebel, here's a health here's a headline. GOP

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Speaker 1: After passing cruel and deadly healthcare bill, the GLP celebrates

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Speaker 1: forget about reality. Supply and demand. No matter what health

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Speaker 1: This is not a repeal of Obamacare, as I said

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Speaker 1: would I would think is a contrarian view on this one. Well,

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Speaker 1: this was prompted by Obama's recent speaking event at the

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Speaker 1: sort of his close circle of advisors UH and supporters

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Speaker 1: during his eight years in office. Um. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is president right now and that Republicans

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Speaker 1: control the vast majority of state houses and governors mansions

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Speaker 1: progressive agenda UH many times through executive order UH, and

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Speaker 1: class Democratic voters who voted for Trump. So Obama trying

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Speaker 1: to help now is is a day late, a dollar short.

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking to John Davidson. He's a senior correspondent at

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Speaker 1: The Federalist. You can check out his latest at the

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Speaker 1: Federalist dot com. Uh, John, the Wall, telling me about

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Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on the wall. You live down

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Speaker 1: in Texas, although not you're in Austin, right so you're

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Speaker 1: not not close to the where a wall would be.

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Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on what happened with the

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Speaker 1: wall negotiations leading into the budget showdown. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty unanimous here in Texas, Republican Democrat

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Speaker 1: the border, the integration really of the economies down here

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Speaker 1: with the economy in Mexico. We understand that a wall,

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Speaker 1: if if it were built, would effectively impoverished vast swaves

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Speaker 1: of Texas that have really seen a lot of economic

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Speaker 1: So there's a credible pressure not just from Democrats but

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Speaker 1: wall and this plans for an actual wall. Why why

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Speaker 1: would a wall impoverished impoverished people on elucidate a little

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Speaker 1: more on that, if you don't mind, it would effectively

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Speaker 1: side of the Wouldn't it be fair to say that

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Speaker 1: So why would it be an issue? Because the only

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Speaker 1: things that Trump and supporters of the wall wanted to

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Speaker 1: do is if it was essentially a militarized border, And

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Speaker 1: a militarized border does not lend self to free trade

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Speaker 1: back and forth, and it's not just it's not just

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Speaker 1: one way. You know, we have this oversimplified way of

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Speaker 1: talking about trade where we think that you know, we're

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Speaker 1: exporting a completed product to another country. In the other countries,

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Speaker 1: you know, exporting it a completed you know, car parts

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Speaker 1: passed between factories in Texas and Mexico, you know, six

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Speaker 1: or seven times before vehicles completed. So there's an integrated economy.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I assume they're doing that via roadways

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Speaker 1: that they're not putting people, you know, they're putting in

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Speaker 1: backpacked and saying go across the desert. Right. So, I'm

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Speaker 1: confused as to why the commercial aspect of this would

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Speaker 1: ancillary commercial activity that that happens simply because of the

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Speaker 1: integration of a lot of these communities, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: very close integration with communities and cities and towns across

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Speaker 1: that goes on in these places is not conducive to

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Speaker 1: a militarized border. With the wall, it will effectively isolate

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Speaker 1: places like Hidalgo and Presidio uh and and places all

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Speaker 1: who feel that they have been the victims of unfair

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Speaker 1: globalization and competition from for manufactus. But I mean that

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Speaker 1: we could go back to the Secure Fence Active two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, which of course did not there was

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Speaker 1: no follow through, but you had a bipartisan active Congress

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Speaker 1: to to build a wall. And how much fencing do

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Speaker 1: we have down there of the two thousand or so

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Speaker 1: communities that are nearer places that are fence along the

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Speaker 1: southern border, you know? And part of it is that

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Speaker 1: you know that that was passed, and part of the

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Speaker 1: reason you know that it was not followed through upon

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Speaker 1: is because they encountered difficulties. It's very impractical on certain

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Speaker 1: parts of the border to build a wall. The most

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Speaker 1: effective barrier is saying the Transpacos uh two people crossing

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Speaker 1: harsh desert that's very difficult to cross, and it's also

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Speaker 1: very difficult to build and maintain a wall in these places.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that you know, we don't talk about

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Speaker 1: a lot, but it's a real problem, is that the

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Speaker 1: wall is not actually on the border. The wall would

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Speaker 1: be on the U s side of the border, and

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Speaker 1: it would pass through a whole lot of private Yea

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Speaker 1: and Texas, a lot of private property. I know they

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Speaker 1: don't talk about that. That's that is accurate, John, I.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time. Unfortunately, gotta go because

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Speaker 1: we're going to run into a break here, but thank

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Speaker 1: you for talking to us about a bunch of topics.

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Speaker 1: John Davidson of the Federalist, appreciate it, sir. Alright, team,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a break eight eight to five

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Speaker 1: are Sanco de Mayo. Show continues in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. We've got Elena Plot on the line.

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Speaker 1: She is a staff writer for Washington The Washington I

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Speaker 1: and you can read her latest Washingtonian dot com Beltway

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Speaker 1: inside her friend of the show, Elena, Great to have you.

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Speaker 1: Happy Sago to Mayo, Hi Black, thanks for having me. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation is a massive conservative think tank, very

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Speaker 1: powerful and influential. There's been in fighting and you're telling

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Speaker 1: me that there's some tie into what happened with the

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Speaker 1: healthcare debate. Tell us what happened at Heritage and how

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Speaker 1: it affects healthcare? Yeah? Absolutely, um so as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: if many of your listeners know, last week was a

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Speaker 1: pretty big moment in the trajectory of the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 1: It's president, former South Carolina Senator A jump Event was

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Speaker 1: pretty unceremoniously outsted by his position, and based on my reporting,

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Speaker 1: that came in large part because of clash with Mike

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Speaker 1: meet Him, who of course runs the Heritage Action, which

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Speaker 1: is UM the political arm of the Foundation. The two

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Speaker 1: of them clashed over you know, should should Heritage go

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Speaker 1: all in and support of Trump or should it kind

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Speaker 1: of step back and align itself more with the interest,

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Speaker 1: to say, the Freedom Caucus. But I I found that

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Speaker 1: the turmoil Heritage was particularly interesting this week when we

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Speaker 1: votes for this health care bill. Because normally Heritage would

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Speaker 1: be a pretty potent force in rallying members to leadership

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Speaker 1: and the fracturing and the party is such that there's

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Speaker 1: essentially no outside group there to help Republican lawmakers when

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Speaker 1: they have a really close vote coming up. And what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen now, Who's going to take over and

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Speaker 1: how does this affect legislation going forward. So right now

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Speaker 1: we know that um, most likely Ed Fulner is going

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Speaker 1: the founders of Heritage Foundation. He was sort of the

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Speaker 1: keenmaker during the Reagan years. UM, but you know, my

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Speaker 1: ultimately take him over, which sort of means that Heritage Actions,

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Speaker 1: sort of the political politicization of the place is going

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Speaker 1: to effectively take over this entire institution. And that means that, um,

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Speaker 1: they will likely be a foreign and Republican leadership side

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Speaker 1: going forward. And if this health care vote was any indication,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a help they're going

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Speaker 1: to be on bigger plans of President Trump, like say

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Speaker 1: tax reform or an infrastructure bill. And what do you

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Speaker 1: think the Republicans in the Senate are going to do

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Speaker 1: in response to the House passage of the American Healthcare Act?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are your sources telling you about Is

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Speaker 1: it true they're really going to just come up with

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Speaker 1: their own bill. I don't know that they're going to

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Speaker 1: come up with their own bill entirely, but this is

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Speaker 1: not going to go unchanged at all. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: so many people, including Susan Collins and Lisa or Kels

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Speaker 1: change in its House version, they will not be voting

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Speaker 1: for it. And you know, the Senate can only afford

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Speaker 1: to lose two Republicans on this bill. UM. So it's

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Speaker 1: really important that you know, Mitch McConnell kind of get

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Speaker 1: down and figure out what it is that's going to

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Speaker 1: satisfy say the Markalskis of the conference, but also the

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruises of the conference. You know, you have people

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Speaker 1: in red states like Ted Cruise and Jeff Flake who

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Speaker 1: are going to have a base of voters, um when

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Speaker 1: they're up for reelection saying, you know, we were promised

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Speaker 1: for repeal and replaced for seven years now and this

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Speaker 1: just doesn't do that. And so it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a fine line he has to navigate, and then

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Speaker 1: the House has to vote again once these guys go

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Speaker 1: to conference. So it was a little strange to me

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Speaker 1: to see a huge ceremony in the Rose Garden when

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Speaker 1: the House isn't even done voting on this bill. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think Republicans are getting a bit ahead of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Right now, So you're not too hopeful for tax reform

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. I would imagine absolutely not. I mean, for

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Minution to say that we'll have tax reform

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Speaker 1: on the for in August is just fantasy land. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting repeal and replaced one. And I would

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Speaker 1: argue the still is not even that be Getting this

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Speaker 1: done has been a really really heavy list. Tax reform

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Speaker 1: I would I would argue, is a million times more complicated.

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Speaker 1: Elena Plott of The Washingtonian, thank you so much, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Mark in California, Welcome to freedom Hut.

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Speaker 1: Sir Mark in California? Did I scare him away with

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Speaker 1: all this freedom hunt talk? Mark, where'd you go? Buddy? Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's not there. Let's try Ed in Ohio. Mr Sexton,

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Speaker 1: Mr Ed, how are you? Okay? Um? Just not? If

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Speaker 1: you could explain a couple of things to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: not an educated man, but it seems to me like

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Speaker 1: the Republicans banked us for the House. We give it

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Speaker 1: to them. They banked us for the Senate. We give

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Speaker 1: it to them. They thank us from the presidency, We

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Speaker 1: give it to them. We can repeal Obamacare, not repeal

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Speaker 1: and replace repeal, we can build a wall. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: it just seems to me like Mr Trump is running

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Speaker 1: into opposition from his own party. And I'm just wondering, sir,

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Speaker 1: do you think these guys are talking to themselves into

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Speaker 1: term limits. Well, they'll never go for term limits themselves, right,

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Speaker 1: They'll never vote for their the curving of their own powers.

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Speaker 1: But I see your point here. Look, I think so

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Speaker 1: far the Republicans, it's it's tough to get too excited

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Speaker 1: about what the Republicans have done. It's this isn't about Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is more about the party. And you know, Trump

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Speaker 1: prevented Hillary, so so he gets he gets a huge

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Speaker 1: high five and a lot of benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 1: for me at least. And I know from a lot

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Speaker 1: of you listening, but the Republicans in Congress all the

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Speaker 1: all they do is sit around trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to get legislation through and what legislation to get through.

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Speaker 1: They promise certain actions, and some of them just don't

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Speaker 1: want to get it done. I mean, ed, you're you're you're.

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Speaker 1: What you're picking up is what's out there, my friend,

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Speaker 1: You're not imagining it. So um, I gotta I I agree,

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Speaker 1: But thank you for calling it, sir. I'm sorry we're

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Speaker 1: at Tom, but I appreciate you holding. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling um. Team. We are going to get into some

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Speaker 1: French election talking in the next hour, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get into some Sanco de Mayo and we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some fun. I'll be right back. He spreads freedom because

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Speaker 1: freedom is not gonna spread itself. Bug Sexton his back. Alright,

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Speaker 1: Team Buck, Great to have you with me. We've got

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Speaker 1: Tom Rogan joining us now. He's a contributor at Opportunity Lives,

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Speaker 1: writer at National Review. All around. Great dude, Tom, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for calling in. Good thanks to be with you. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Opportunity Lives is now Opportunity Dead. Um, so it's just

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Speaker 1: National Review and Washington Examiner. But it's always good to

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Speaker 1: be with you. Wait are you serious? Yeah? Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I thought I had to make a little joy about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's sad, but you know what happened.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about this. I think it's as with media.

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Speaker 1: Organizations have a great idea and you know, unfortunately the

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Speaker 1: logistics didn't necessary. Unfortunately, National Review has a Bauer review

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Speaker 1: where there's many a storm. It is. It is a

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Speaker 1: good a good ship to be on in the stormy

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Speaker 1: seas that are conservative media, which by the way, I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked about that much on the show. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what conservative conservative media even is anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen, where it's gonna go.

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Speaker 1: There are some I think I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the French election. We can talk about this first, though.

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen in Fox News? I don't know. Are

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Speaker 1: any of the competitor networks or the upstart networks going

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Speaker 1: to catch a catch a real gust of wind here

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Speaker 1: and move forward and get big. I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: right now it's like, what is that? What is conservative media?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what. It's an exciting time in media,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's good. And there's always opportunities you

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Speaker 1: I hope I can, like a phoenix from its ashes,

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Speaker 1: opportunity lives will one day return. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: there is so much diversity of readership and competition, and

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Speaker 1: I have to say some people, you know, traditional places,

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Speaker 1: complain about that, but the real issue is that there

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Speaker 1: is a reality that actually more competition, more people speaking,

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Speaker 1: is beneficial. I agree, although you do have a lot

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Speaker 1: of the competition online pushes it to a point where

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Speaker 1: as you will know, Tom, the expectation for much of

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Speaker 1: the writing that people do is that it will be

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Speaker 1: for free, which is not which is not conducive to

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Speaker 1: peg bills and and uh and and surviving very long

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Speaker 1: in the business. So uh yeah, you know, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that the digital media world brings with it fantastic, fantastic openings,

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Speaker 1: but it also means that there are the downward pressures

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Speaker 1: on wages in the marketplace are are very real. So

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Speaker 1: that's something else. Anyway, Tom and I will talk about

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Speaker 1: conservative media together another time. Let's talk about the French.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk at the French election, sir um, we've got

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Speaker 1: marine lapin um. Well, you know what, I'm just get

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Speaker 1: a hands already. Time. It's Friday at Sancre to Mayo.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a margarita yet, but I'm already thinking

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Speaker 1: about them. Tell me what's going on with the French

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Speaker 1: election on Sunday as you see it right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the first thing to note is that the

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Speaker 1: the Emmanuel mccron is the sort of Centers candidate is

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Speaker 1: leading by quite a significant margin. The pole tracks at

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Speaker 1: the national level have been pretty sustained in his favor,

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Speaker 1: and so I think we can be relatively confident that

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be the same surprise as we saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, with Donald Trump and for example the British

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Speaker 1: general election. So I think mcron is very likely to

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Speaker 1: be the winner. Um, but you know, I never take

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Speaker 1: anything for granted, and so the in these final days

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Speaker 1: the campaign has become a lot more adversarial in terms

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Speaker 1: of personal politics. I mean, for example, in the last debate,

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Speaker 1: Emanuel mccraft which was earlier this week called Lapen a parasite.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's as bad as it ever

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Speaker 1: got between Mrs Clinton and then President Trump. So there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of animosity there and the question will

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Speaker 1: be whoever wins, are they going to be able to

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Speaker 1: bring the country together. I thought her line that either

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Speaker 1: a woman will rule France either way, either me or

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Speaker 1: Mrs Merkel will will be in charge of France was

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Speaker 1: pretty was pretty awesome. Actually it was a clever line,

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Speaker 1: you know that that was it was a clever line,

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Speaker 1: and she got under his skin a little bit, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think he was just telling himself

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Speaker 1: at certain points just to sort of stay calm and

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Speaker 1: maintain composure because he is the front runner. But you

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Speaker 1: know that there was a playfulness to her character. I

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Speaker 1: think in the debate that you know, because she's so

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Speaker 1: far behind, there's no problem with taking the biggest risks

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Speaker 1: now right that you're liberated to just ignore anything but

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Speaker 1: your own instinct and sort of have a bit of

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Speaker 1: fun with it. As it comes to the culmination. Tell

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Speaker 1: everybody about the parallels that are being drawn between the

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Speaker 1: well the trump Ist surge in this country and trump

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Speaker 1: is um as a response to globalism and the rise

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Speaker 1: of Marine Lapin. Why is she why is she residenty?

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Speaker 1: Why is she in the second spot here for the

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Speaker 1: premiership of a of a very important country with a

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Speaker 1: very large economy and a serious military. You know, why

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Speaker 1: is this all happening? Well, you know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: slightly different to President Trump. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the protectionism that Marine Lapin represents, it's much more

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Speaker 1: hard online than President Trump. The sense of belief in regulation,

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Speaker 1: in protecting benefits, welfare benefits, is something that makes I

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Speaker 1: think Marine Lapin actually in many ways somewhat on the left.

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Speaker 1: But I think the vein of anger that exists in

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Speaker 1: France because of an economy that has seemed to stagnate,

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Speaker 1: a situation of insecurity, a fear that traditional values of

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Speaker 1: France are being degraded in the name of multiculturalism without values.

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Speaker 1: I think those are those are issues that particularly affect France.

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Speaker 1: And look, I mean I personally. I united piece of

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Speaker 1: National Review this week saying why I thought, actually last

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Speaker 1: week saying why I thought mccron was the more conservative candidate.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I'm a skeptical

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Speaker 1: of liberals like President Obama, who endorsed We've got it.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's play that for one second, Obama. I'm

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Speaker 1: not planning to get involved in many elections now that

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Speaker 1: I don't have to run for office again, but the

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Speaker 1: French election is very important to the future of France

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Speaker 1: and the values that we care so much about. I

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Speaker 1: have admired the campaign that Emmanuel mccron has run. He

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Speaker 1: has stood up for liberal values. He put forward a

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Speaker 1: vision for the important role that France plays in Europe

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Speaker 1: and around the world. He appeals to people's hopes and

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Speaker 1: not their fears. I also want you to know that

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Speaker 1: I am supporting Emmanuel Macron to lead you forward, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's good. I know it's going to

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Speaker 1: help Macraw because you know, Obama is a globalist type,

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Speaker 1: and you know that might not that might not have

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Speaker 1: the effect he intends, right, And I also don't think

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm delusional. I also I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is President Obama desperate to be back

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Speaker 1: in the news right that he wants to be irrelevant again.

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Speaker 1: He can't go off into the sunset and played golf,

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Speaker 1: as President bushed it um And I think there's a

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Speaker 1: kind of pathetic quality to that. But anyway, the issue

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Speaker 1: I think I'm the reason I think Macron may have

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Speaker 1: some opportunity here is number one. I think anyone with

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Speaker 1: a brain in France should be able to get that.

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Speaker 1: You really are going to have to have a big

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Speaker 1: crackdown on those elements in society that are working against

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Speaker 1: the very notion of France as a you know, the

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Speaker 1: democratic society with the rule of law and basic rights

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Speaker 1: and and sort of cow towns or some of the extremism.

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Speaker 1: But you also need to expand or opportunity there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, anyway, but look, President Obama, in terms of

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Speaker 1: his pro regulation viewpoint in terms of office a man

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Speaker 1: of mcrown. Centerpieces for his campaign has been to actually

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Speaker 1: deregulate the private sector workplace, to make it much easier

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Speaker 1: for small and medium sized businesses to hire and fire,

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Speaker 1: which is a functional issue in terms of youth unemployment

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Speaker 1: in France. It's it's the you know, it's the social

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Speaker 1: welfare state promoting the destruction of the popular welfare and

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Speaker 1: so he's trying to address that. But we shall see

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Speaker 1: what happened. I just wonder with President Obama whether he

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Speaker 1: I suspect he doesn't really care that much whether it

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Speaker 1: helps mcrow. I think he just wants to be able

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Speaker 1: to say Obama's first Obama's first concern is always Obama.

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Speaker 1: That that's that's a that's a well well well put

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Speaker 1: in nothing new. But Melan Shan, I find this very

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Speaker 1: injured every listening. I know it's the French you're having

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Speaker 1: a big election on Sunday. I know it's not here,

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Speaker 1: but you can see the parallels between some of the

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Speaker 1: dynamics that play in France and some of the dynamics

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Speaker 1: from our most recent election. Um but but minilal Sean

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Speaker 1: is the he's a Trotsky at right. It's basically a communist,

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Speaker 1: and he has not. They call him the the the

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Speaker 1: Javez of France for Venezuela's Hugo Javez Um and he

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Speaker 1: has refused to throw his support behind mc craw from

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Speaker 1: what I understand, which could be a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: you've got the commy won't back the center left guy

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Speaker 1: because because people often forget, he wasn't a krown part

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Speaker 1: of Alan the Socialist's cabinet, so that's a thing he was.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he did quit, I think because they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't push ahead with some of the regulation things. And

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Speaker 1: but you look, you're right, We're going to see and

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Speaker 1: I understand why a lot of people are skeptical. And

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is why is um you know,

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Speaker 1: Mini supporting Marie Lapan. And it's quite basically, I think

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Speaker 1: because for his support based the idea of a French

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Speaker 1: industries which are incredibly inefficient being protected from external competition

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Speaker 1: is something that his voters would want. They don't want

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Speaker 1: the reforms that are necessary to liberate French society to

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Speaker 1: increase its productivity. And those things are hard stepped, but

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Speaker 1: they are necessary. And I do think there's a distinction

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Speaker 1: here between President Trump and Marine Lapen in the sense

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Speaker 1: that we're both talked about the idea of morph of

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Speaker 1: better trade deals, and what you see from President Trump

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Speaker 1: is also this dual effort to say, Okay, how do

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Speaker 1: we get private sector hiring up, how do we make

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Speaker 1: it easier these business roundtables, how do we cut regulations?

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Speaker 1: You don't see that from Marine la Pen. There is,

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Speaker 1: and that is a major difference that you know, many

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Speaker 1: on the left like to to blur them, especially because

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Speaker 1: of the sort of legacy of some of the things

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Speaker 1: she's she's about nationalism and anti immigration, but she's also

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Speaker 1: anti efficiency, right. She she's she doesn't care about what's

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Speaker 1: going to grow wealth, and she doesn't care about free

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Speaker 1: trade or and she's the opposite of free trade. So

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Speaker 1: if she wins, it's not like all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: they're going to there. There will be no draining of

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Speaker 1: the swamp. That is a dynamic that whether one believes

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Speaker 1: Trump will do that or not, I don't see that

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Speaker 1: from Marine Lapin. I don't see the we're going to

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Speaker 1: get rid of all of the all of the sloth

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Speaker 1: and ineptitude and bureaucracy in this country in France. Correct.

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right. I think you know, in marine,

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Speaker 1: in the Penn's case, it's about preserving the status quo.

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Speaker 1: And because she wants to like like protect the pensions

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Speaker 1: and all right, I mean there there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: big there's basically a lot of big government stuff, but

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Speaker 1: it's big French government stuff as opposed to big EU

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Speaker 1: globalist government stuff. Yeah, exactly, and and and it's but

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Speaker 1: but it's the idea that you know, you thirty five

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Speaker 1: hour work, we can protect these generous pensions. And the

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Speaker 1: way that you're going to be able to pay for

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Speaker 1: this is you know that that the old protectionist idea

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Speaker 1: that if you put up tariffs that you keep wealth

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Speaker 1: at home. I fundament and he don't believe that, but

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Speaker 1: you know, with that's that's her point of view and

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Speaker 1: her electorate supportive point of view. And you know it's

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Speaker 1: at least you know, they're going to have a We're

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Speaker 1: gonna see what happens. It should be exciting. Just give

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Speaker 1: us a couple of you know, your your top of

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Speaker 1: the line comments here, we're top of mind. Sorry to

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Speaker 1: have the line to Tom. We only want the best

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Speaker 1: for you, but no top top of mine comments on

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Speaker 1: the do Terte the President of the Philippines and Trump meeting,

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Speaker 1: and there was this whole dust up. What happened? Well, so,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think what's interesting here. So basically President

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Speaker 1: Trump had a phone call with Rodrigo Deterte is the

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Speaker 1: President of the Philippines. That upset a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Um is specifically because President Trump extended in fight to

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Speaker 1: President to Tty to come to the White House. Why

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Speaker 1: did it upset people? Well, because Dite has said some

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Speaker 1: very strange things and about, you know, being happy with

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Speaker 1: drug dealers, drug dealers and drug users being executed on

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Speaker 1: the streets. He's a record of human rights of you

891
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Speaker 1: since he made commented about an American rape victim that

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Speaker 1: was very unpleasant, called Obama or son of a I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'm allowed to say it, but he

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Speaker 1: said all these things, and then President Trump invited him.

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Speaker 1: My point of view in the argument, we said, yes,

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Speaker 1: o case, a lot of these things are bad, but

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Speaker 1: at the same time, we live in an imperfect world

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Speaker 1: and do tote because a lot of issues surrounding China especially,

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Speaker 1: and I would encourage people to read the piece, whether

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Speaker 1: they agree or not. Is an important person for the

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Speaker 1: American president to engage with. And it's from a realist

902
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Speaker 1: foreign policy doctrine. We should, you know, Trump should invite him.

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Speaker 1: I think that was the right thing to do. Tom

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Speaker 1: Orogan is a writer at National Review. He's also Tom

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Speaker 1: are tweets. For those of you who are on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: you can fall him there. Tom. Have a happy sacer

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Speaker 1: to my ow and a fantastic weekend, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for hanging out with us, you too, my friends. Thank

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Speaker 1: you having me on Good to talk to You Phones,

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Speaker 1: Open Team eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four

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Speaker 1: four to eight to five. It is action movie quote Friday,

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Speaker 1: so you can try to bring it to the Trevie

913
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: quote Master if you want, or we can talk serious

914
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Speaker 1: policy stuff, whatever's on your mind. We'll take some calls

915
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: after the break and then maybe we'll talk Venezuela and

916
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: then we'll get into some Psycho to Mayo history and

917
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: we'll get into some other other topics as well. It's

918
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Speaker 1: get a lot of show. Stay with me, all right,

919
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: We've got calls racked and stacked. We are lit here

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Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hunt um Mark in California. You're on

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. Good to talk to you, sir. Hey,

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Speaker 1: she'll tie back field tide. Mark. Hey, So Tuesday, I

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Speaker 1: was a little uh fast on the gun for the

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Speaker 1: action cold Friday. So it's Friday. Okay, you waited. I

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Speaker 1: like this here. You've been waiting a whole week. I

926
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, well you didn't let me go on Tuesday.

927
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Speaker 1: Fair enough. I'm here on Friday, sir, Yes, sir, all

928
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Speaker 1: right it is I like that. Okay, So here it goes.

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Speaker 1: Remember when I say you, remember when I told you

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Speaker 1: I kill you last alive. That's from Commando and it's

931
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Speaker 1: when he's holding I believe his name is Sully by

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Speaker 1: the leg over the ravine, after he has moved his

933
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Speaker 1: yellow Porsche off to the side of the road. I'm

934
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Speaker 1: pretty sure I knew you would have got that. You

935
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Speaker 1: are the man, Buck. I really enjoy your show. Funny.

936
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Speaker 1: You bring it to the people who really don't get

937
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: in there, and you make us feel like we're a

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Speaker 1: part of something. You guys are all. You guys are

939
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Speaker 1: all my extended family who listens. So thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: Mark Shields. I appreciate the call Um Maggie in Mississippi

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Speaker 1: w BUV. What's up Maggie? Hey, Buck? Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: got an action quote for you. Yes, ma'am. Ready here

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Speaker 1: we go? Are all right? Um? I've tried to kill

944
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Speaker 1: this man, this person three times and he just won't die.

945
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Speaker 1: Hit the buzzer? What is it? Twelve round sweech with

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Speaker 1: John Cena? Oh? I don't even know John Cena made movies?

947
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Speaker 1: Is that? If that's the thing that happens, he makes more?

948
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Speaker 1: I thought he was a wrestler, right, yeah, all right, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: it's it's definitely an action movie because I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: guy is not doing Shakespeare. But I mean, no offense

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Speaker 1: to John Cena. But I don't know that one. So

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Speaker 1: you've introduced you to Is it good? Do you recommend this?

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Speaker 1: Or is this slightly obscure offering? I've seen all three

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Speaker 1: of them. They are awesome movies. Um, the first one's

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Speaker 1: got John Cena, the second one has um Randy Orton,

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Speaker 1: and the third one has Deana ambros all right, starting

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Speaker 1: the movies the Marie one of the marine movies as well. Yeah, okay, wow,

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Speaker 1: very nice? All right, Maggie, will happy second to my

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Speaker 1: I have a fantastic weekend. Thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Uh Bill in West Virginia. What's up? Bill? On w W.

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Speaker 1: V ad Luck. I'd like to point out similarities between

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Speaker 1: the current Democrat employ of concocting the Soviet threat for

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Speaker 1: their own political gain and in nine the same sort

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Speaker 1: of thing with two Democrats, Senators Stone of Florida. You

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Speaker 1: mean the Russian threat right now? Well, Russian threat now,

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Speaker 1: and the n s A issued a report saying that

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Speaker 1: there was a combat gain in Cuba and after all

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Speaker 1: it dust settled. There had been no change in the

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Speaker 1: Soviet presence in Cuba since the missile crisis when there

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Speaker 1: was some sort of an agreement reached. But it's the

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Speaker 1: same employ creating this non existent threat for their political gain.

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Speaker 1: Those two senators were running for re election at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Russia stuff is all about It's all about election

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Speaker 1: anger and has nothing to do with Russia as a

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Speaker 1: geopolitical threat to us. Really, I mean, I shouldn't say nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's we're so angry that Hillary lost, we want to

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Speaker 1: blame Russia and it's ten percent. Yeah, Russia does some

978
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Speaker 1: pretty bad things, both inside its own borders and and externally.

979
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Speaker 1: But a fair question, I ask, is okay, So let's

980
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Speaker 1: say the Russians do kick up some some dust and

981
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: cause some problems in uh Moldova or something, right, I mean,

982
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Speaker 1: are we about to we were about to call in

983
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Speaker 1: the eighty second air born. I mean, we're really gonna

984
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Speaker 1: go in metaphor well, I guess not metaphor we can

985
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: go in guns blazing. I think the answers no. So

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to see how they did things while Obama

987
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Speaker 1: was president in Crimea, in Ukraine and then in Syria,

988
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Speaker 1: as well as some agitations along the borders of or

989
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: I should say, some provocations outside of their borders, and

990
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Speaker 1: including sending aircraft close to our airspace. And but none

991
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: of that is likely to lead to anything other than

992
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: just posturing and maybe a an angry letter from one

993
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Speaker 1: diplomat to another. So I think it's a very well

994
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Speaker 1: I think it's an exaggerated threat based on domestic politics

995
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: right now. And keep in mind, the Democrat intelligency is

996
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Speaker 1: stretching back for decades, was willing to was willing to

997
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Speaker 1: explain away UH Communist monsters like Stalin and Khrushchev and

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00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: say that they weren't a threat. Now we've got Putin,

999
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we're hearing about how he

1000
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Speaker 1: jail's journalists and and walks around without a shirt on

1001
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: too much and is mean to other countries. Well okay,

1002
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Speaker 1: but that's nothing new. He's been doing it for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Why why the anger now, Well they're using

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Speaker 1: that to get votes to yea, yeah, I mean the narrative.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, there are so many and Bill,

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Speaker 1: thank you for calling in shield say, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Um those you wonder where to say, it's shields high

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Speaker 1: and it's a reference to uh Phalanx warfare in ancient Greece.

1009
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Speaker 1: But we'll get there. I'll bring it up again and

1010
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Speaker 1: we'll go a little more detail on that when I

1011
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: have some time on a maybe even on a Friday,

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Speaker 1: but not today, I don't think maybe maybe today. Uh yeah.

1013
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: On Russia, it's just funny to see the Democrats become

1014
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: so apoplectic on that and and just freak out so much.

1015
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: The same thing doing health and Elizabeth Warren is saying

1016
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Speaker 1: this isn't football, it's not but scaring scoring points. Families

1017
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: will go bankrupt and people will die because of healthcare.

1018
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America. Now the Freedom Hunt is fired

1019
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Speaker 1: up as team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder, shields high

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Speaker 1: call in eight four four nine hundred bucks. That's eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred to eight to five lines are

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Speaker 1: lit eight four four five. As you just heard a

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Speaker 1: second ago. We've got some space if you want to

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Speaker 1: call in. You've got a bunch of calls that will

1025
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Speaker 1: take right now. Richard and West Virginia. You're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to you, sir, Hello there, Hello there. Uh yeah, I

1027
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Speaker 1: don't know if you explain this or not. One one

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Speaker 1: of the things on one day says that shield. I

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Speaker 1: hear you're saying, okay, so all right, So I guess

1030
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Speaker 1: we'll get into some of it now. I was gonna

1031
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Speaker 1: do so I used to do when I I did

1032
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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton show over at the Blaze, which is

1033
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Speaker 1: when I started my career in radio, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: four years, five years ago, something like that. Now, Um,

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Speaker 1: I would do deep dives in various either historical events

1036
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Speaker 1: or even just periods in history that I found of interest.

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Speaker 1: So we'd spend half an hour, maybe an hour on

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Speaker 1: a subject of history. And I talked once about uh

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Speaker 1: PHELANX warfare and ancient Greece and the well the hop Lawn,

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Speaker 1: which was the large shield. Those who have seen three

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Speaker 1: hundred have some familiarity with what I'm talking about, although

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Speaker 1: really there's a lot that's obviously uh not historically accurate,

1043
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Speaker 1: or the visuals in particular, they're missing all the armor

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Speaker 1: that pretty much except for the grieves Um and shin guarden.

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Speaker 1: Well what goes over the shin um. But they they

1046
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Speaker 1: carry a hop lawn, which is a large shield, and

1047
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Speaker 1: the Spartans, who are obviously well known for combat, would say,

1048
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Speaker 1: come back with your shield or on it. And I

1049
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Speaker 1: was talking to the audience then I was talking to

1050
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Speaker 1: Team buck then about it, and I said, well, all

1051
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Speaker 1: of you, it feels like, especially being here in New

1052
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Speaker 1: York City and going up against liberals and the media

1053
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Speaker 1: and fighting for ideas that we all believe in, it

1054
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Speaker 1: feels like this is my phalanx, and so here we

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Speaker 1: are shoulder to shoulder shields high a reference to the

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Speaker 1: phalanx warfare and the the hoplong which is the shield

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Speaker 1: that would be carried by hot lights. That's where the

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Speaker 1: term comes from. So the hot light is the soldier

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Speaker 1: in the phalanx. Heavily armored infantrymen from the period of

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Speaker 1: of the High period of Ancient Greece, uh, and that

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Speaker 1: was the they were the centerpiece of that form of warfare.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so that's that's where Shields High comes from,

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: some kind of code word from the CIA. No I

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: mean and no, no, nothing, nothing, nothing as cool as that.

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: It's just ancient Greece. And what makes me get up

1066
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: every day and research and do all the work that

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: I do for the show are the people who listen

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: to the show. So it really does feel like they are.

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01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: It's also why I call them Team Buck. And it's

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01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: on my worst days, my darkest, saddest, most annoyed, most

1071
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: difficult days, coming in and doing this radio show and

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: getting speak to all the wonderful people who listen and

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: also email and call in like yourself, Richard, Um, That's

1074
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: that's what keeps me going. So it really is you

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: guys are all You guys are all my failings and

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01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in it with you. So there you go

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: that shields hie, Well, I got an education. There you

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about? Where are you celebrating sinker the bio. Oh,

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about that the third We're gonna sinking

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Speaker 1: to the second to my own third hour, So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hold off on that until we get

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: to get into the next hour, Richard. But if you've

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01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: got any sinking of my ow thoughts, by all means

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't have any thoughts. Okay, I'm just uh one

1085
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: of their shirts and says I got years ago and

1086
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: says that, uh, I celebrated sinks mine at the wheeling

1087
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: of hotels. Everything I can relate to him. Get ready

1088
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: to wit and see what they're doing. I would say

1089
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: margaritas are actually not hard. Margarite's are not hard to make,

1090
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: and they're pretty pretty delicious beverage. Richard, shield Tie, thank

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: you very much for calling in. Uh, let's take Jason

1092
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: in Arizona. What's up, Jason? Hey, shield Tie? But SIELI anyways, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I got I got a movie suggestion for you. I

1094
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: was watching it on Netflix. It's called Spectral and it's

1095
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, almost like a Predator. It's a

1096
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: great action movie, as I think you'd really love it.

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01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spill too much on it because you

1098
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: might watch it. I really suggest you should watch it. Anyways.

1099
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: One of my questions, one of my questions is when

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01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: Obama was president, uh, you know, over here in Arizona

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: and stuff, we were having I remember hearing about the

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: E p A and you know them end up like

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01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: billions and billions of rounds of ammo to three, five,

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: five six whatnot. And I was curious because about a

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01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, it seems like there's these guys,

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Speaker 1: like a liberal militia group, and they're trying to like

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01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: it seems like they're trying to intimidate people. They keep

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: trying to make it look like they're getting ready for

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Speaker 1: some kind of civil war. And what my question was

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01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: is do we know what happened to all the rounds?

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01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: Because I know he's been spending a lot of money

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: or trying to get some kind of community agitating group

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01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: back going. And I was just wondering if you had

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Speaker 1: any info on that. UM. Well, I I remember reading

1115
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: and this is all from from memory and somewhat distant memory.

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01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: I remember reading Jason a little bit about the large

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: bulk orders of ammunition the federal government was buying for

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01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: non what we think of as non law enforcement agencies. Although, uh,

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01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: if you go and read about Gibson guitar, for example,

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: you will find out that I think in that case

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: it was fishing game or fishing wildlife. UM but a

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01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: lot of federal agencies have what are effectively special weapons

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: and tactics teams, and they have SWAT teams that they

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: can deploy. Um and Gibson guitar was it was a

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Speaker 1: case where do you remember that case? By the way,

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: it's very interesting they they confiscated. Yeah, they went and

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: took all the It took all these guitars, and it

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: had to do with an obscure importing law about wood.

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01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even illegal there anymore, but it was

1130
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: still you know, they took it would from India, but

1131
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: it was illegal here. I have to go back and

1132
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: read the details of it again. But it was just

1133
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: a total overreach. So there was there hasn't been as much, no,

1134
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: and that may be because I think the the Democrats

1135
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: and the Obama administration towards the end realized that it's

1136
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: really bad press to have those federal agencies that we

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: don't think of. You know, it's one thing when the

1138
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: FBI goes in and sometimes they're a little over zealous,

1139
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: but when you have fishing game or fishing wildlife kicking

1140
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: in your door. They got a bunch of guys m

1141
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: MP fives who are like, you know, where are the

1142
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: duck feathers your hiding and you're kind of like, whoa,

1143
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: this is not the way. This is not the way

1144
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: this is supposed to go. Um, So that they slowed

1145
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: down on that. I think under the Trump administration you'll

1146
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: see less of that. But that was what I think,

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01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: the bulk orders of ammunition that was was what was

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: getting people, uh, at least in the in the real

1149
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: news areas that I remember reading. I mean, I know

1150
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you can go into sort of darker corners of the

1151
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: internet and they're like, oh, this is part of Obama's

1152
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: martial law. Well, I was saying years ago, guys, anyone

1153
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: who talks about Obama martial law is uh is not

1154
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: someone you should listen to on anything, because and I

1155
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: was right, there's no Obama martial law. That never happened. Um.

1156
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: But on yeah, the federal agencies are buying up the weapons.

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01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this liberal militia group you mentioned.

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: I've never the only liberal uh militant like groups that

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01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: I know of in this country, um are the anti

1160
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: fag groups that have been popping up. And then you

1161
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: know some of the I was worried about. But yeah,

1162
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: that's some goofy group that's been posting videos of them shooting,

1163
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: and it's just funny. You can obviously tell they don't

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They're shooting because that in Arizona

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: you can go out it's a public land and shoot

1166
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: as long as you're off so ninety miles from the highway.

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: And the videos that they show they're shooting in the

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01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: mountains are up close, and they're shooting into these mountains.

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: They are all rock they're all rocking around with the

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01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: fingers on the trails that they're turning around with barrels pointing,

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01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's just that sounds like that, that's that's that's

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: not that sounds like an accident winning to happen. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't think about them, Jason.

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01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: But shield toime Man, thank you for calling in. I

1175
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: wish I don't have any more on that. That's one thing.

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01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: Having been around some uh some armed armed folks on

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Speaker 1: on lots of them in the in the Third World,

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Speaker 1: and had they had to be around them as they were,

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: as they were carrying weapons, it is always, um a

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: bit unsettling when you see the way that we are

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: used to in this country. Anyone who has even rudimentary

1182
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: firearms training has a certain sense about muzzle discipline and uh,

1183
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: finger off the trigger and um, that doesn't That is

1184
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: not a universal thing around the world. And you can

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01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: be in countries where all of a sudden you're walking

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: around You're like, Wow, there's a lot of guys that

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01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: are part of the part of the army here, and

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01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: they all carry around their A K forty seven's like

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01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: they're like they watched this in a movie and this

1190
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: is day one because they've got like their finger on

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: the trigger and they're sweeping people with their muzzles left

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: and right, and you're it's it could be a little

1193
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: it could be a little spicy. Um, just thinking back

1194
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: to some of the old days. Here. John in Mississippi,

1195
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: Good have you, sir? Fuck? How you doing? I'm good man,

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01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: Sanco to Mayo. I'm I'm gonna go solo or not. Man,

1197
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go drink some margarita's after this. Although I

1198
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: go low on the sugar. I think the margarities can

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01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: be a little too sweet sometimes. Well, I agree. They're

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Speaker 1: got a quick quote. Hopefully it's not too easy. Quick

1201
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: movie question. First, I just want to say, I'm excited

1202
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: to found you on this dedicated slot at in my area.

1203
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: I've only ever had the opportunity to hear you as

1204
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: a guest pipe, so I'm really excited to conjure on

1205
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: the FOT thank you. The quote put on these sunglasses

1206
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: or start eating that trash? Can? I have no idea?

1207
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: What is that? That's they live? That's Roddy Piper, the

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01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: Big Conspiracy. All right, you got me. I've actually never

1209
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie. I've will admit you have

1210
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: to watch that movie in anyway. But is that a

1211
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: zombie movie or is that an action movie? Well, it's

1212
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: it's the zombie action sive action sci fi. I mean,

1213
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: is there is there a copious use of firearms against

1214
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: the zombies or not there there? Or there is? Well,

1215
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: now I guess the definition of copious. There is definitely

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01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: firearm music, there are explosions. Uh, you know, is action

1217
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: sci fi? If it's pure pure action maybe actuated, it's

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01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: action sci fi. No, that's all right, that will we'll

1219
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: give you. That's that's good. Um. And I remember Ridery Pepper.

1220
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: I went for a few years. Remember I was. I

1221
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: used to watch the w W it was a w WF,

1222
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: so I knew all these guys. Yeah, well, let me

1223
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: trying to ask the cool question if we have time. Yeah,

1224
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go ahead with your background. Um my background

1225
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: as the computers. It's always either drives me crazy or

1226
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: just cracks me up whenever I would be in particular

1227
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: the way hacking is employed portrayed on TV, and I

1228
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: always just wanted to ask you on one of these

1229
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: uh semi open line type days, well, you know what

1230
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: your reaction is to seeing uh, you know, spy movies

1231
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: and all the Hollywood stuff like that with your bat Man.

1232
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, I have a hard time with most of

1233
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: the most of the CIA and the fictional CIA stuff

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: that's out there, just because it's usually so far from

1235
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: the mark. Although I will say that like James Bond,

1236
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: I I will give a lot of allowances to because look,

1237
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 1: it's fantasy, it's entertainment, it's fun, so I'm not expecting

1238
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: to be realistic. But even in the realm of even

1239
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: in the realm of I'm to suspend disbelief, as they say,

1240
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: for a lot of the stuff, some of the James

1241
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,480
Speaker 1: Bond movies, just you know, he's like he's on a motorcycle,

1242
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: he's going off a cliff, he's landing in a moving plane,

1243
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: he's taking the plan out of a diet. It's just

1244
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: someone has played a jet pack. Yeah, I mean, you know,

1245
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm all for you know, death defying stunts

1246
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: and cool stuff and and lasers and ninja kicks and

1247
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: all that, but it needs to be I'll accept that

1248
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: a guy who you know, like like Pierce Brosman, he

1249
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: used to do it. I'll accept that that a guy

1250
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: who looks like he would be much more uh you know,

1251
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: much much more comfortable playing badminton than he does like karate.

1252
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 1: This is also my problem, I'll say with the taking moles.

1253
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Liam Nisson is great, and I even had

1254
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: Liam Nisson quote that we were playing on the show

1255
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: at a regular basis and the first taking movies pretty entertaining.

1256
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: But anybody who thinks like sixty five year old British

1257
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: dude is gonna be beating up like fifteen Albanian mobsters

1258
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: with his bare hands and they all have guns, and

1259
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it gets a little too silly. Um.

1260
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: But most a lot most of the c I A

1261
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: spy stuff you see in movies and everything for me

1262
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: is a little you know. I enjoyed Zero Dark thirty

1263
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: as a movie. I thought that was that was really

1264
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: well done and really good. Um. I like Spy Game

1265
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: with Robert Redford and uh Brad pitt Um. Yeah, there

1266
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: are there are a few others that come to mind.

1267
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: I watched the first season of Homeland and then I

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Speaker 1: was just kind of like, uh, you know, really it

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Speaker 1: got a little you know, it was it was got

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Speaker 1: a little off the rails me. I actually got into

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Speaker 1: the second season and I'm like, all right, I'm done

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01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: trying to think that there's anything else that's People say

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01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: Alias is good with the Jennifer Garner I think, but

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Speaker 1: I never watched that one. Yeah r r eight right

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: of you really like just Rick moranis and My Blue Heaven?

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. I've actually never seen My

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Speaker 1: Blue Heaven. But I gotta break job. I know, I

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Speaker 1: know another deficiency. I'm exposing my deficiencies on air here,

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Speaker 1: John shield Side, thank you for calling in. Team, got

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Speaker 1: to hit a break. We'll be back right after and

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Speaker 1: uh lines are still open eight four four two eight

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Speaker 1: to five. Stay with me. This is gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was talking before about the election that's coming up

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Speaker 1: in France. May we be in zoo the French actually

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. It's going to be fantastique malvau. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like Marine Le Penn and Emmanuel met kraw Work really

1287
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 1: throwing the bris and baguettes at each other during that debate.

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01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: It was getting it was getting rough. Um, but this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be interesting. Just breaking news, I think while

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Speaker 1: we're here on the show. It's always fun to break

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Speaker 1: some live news for all of you. From The New

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Speaker 1: York Times. The campaign staff of French presidential candidate Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: mccran said on Friday evening that it had been targeted

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Speaker 1: by a quote massive and coordinated hacking operation after internal

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Speaker 1: campaign documents were published online and on social or online

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Speaker 1: on social media. Mr mccarl staff said in a statement

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Speaker 1: that authentic documents, including internal emails, accounting documents, and contracts,

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Speaker 1: had been published alongside fake documents two so doubt and disinformation.

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Speaker 1: The statement said that the operation was clearly an attempt

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Speaker 1: at democratic destabilization, similar to what had occurred during the

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign in the United States. Oh my, here we

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Speaker 1: have it. Um. Claims of a massive hack meant to

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Speaker 1: sway the election one way or another. Um, you also

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: have lepe Ma in le Pain. You have Lepine saying,

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Speaker 1: wait where did it go? I have it here? Um,

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Speaker 1: well they're saying they were hacked too. It was along

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Speaker 1: the short of it. So I will keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on all this. But this was one of the um,

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Speaker 1: one of the side effects or one of the corollaries

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Speaker 1: of the Trump election and the whole Russia hacking narrative

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01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: that a lot of people I think didn't pay nearly

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Speaker 1: enough attention to. And that is that now all that

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: you really have to do, because the media in this

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Speaker 1: country went overboard and created such a fervor around the

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Speaker 1: Russia hacking, and you know, you have the FBI talked

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Speaker 1: about it, and the intelligence community put out this report.

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Speaker 1: And you still have a lot of Democrats that believe

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Speaker 1: that Hillary would have won if it wasn't for Russia.

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Speaker 1: That that's that's a widespread sentiment. You have some members

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Speaker 1: of Congress that at least pretend to believe it. Whether

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Speaker 1: they really do or not as a a separate question.

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Speaker 1: But now all you have to do to throw the

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Speaker 1: integrity of an election into doubt is to engage in

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Speaker 1: some form of hacking and publicize it, and then whoever

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Speaker 1: loses is automatically in a position to say, see, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a fair election. So no matter what, the door

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Speaker 1: is open for undermining the integrity of the election process itself.

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Speaker 1: And it's very easy. Now. What people don't spend enough

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Speaker 1: time in the media in this country in particular thinking about,

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Speaker 1: is just how difficult it is to affect perception of

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Speaker 1: an electorate like in this country, in France too, but

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Speaker 1: in a large developed country with all these different media outlets,

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Speaker 1: that one instance of hacking and the release of some

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Speaker 1: emails would change the minds of enough people to switch

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Speaker 1: the election one way or another is just a leap um.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what comes out of the kran campaign traunch here.

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Speaker 1: I think WikiLeaks is posting its so yeah, wiki leaks

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Speaker 1: seems to be involved in this, or WikiLeaks is doing

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Speaker 1: something with it. I gotta check. This is all breaking,

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: like I said, but trust me, no matter what happens

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: now on Sunday in France, there will be a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of theories, some conspiracy others based on

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Speaker 1: the fact that this election in France, just like there

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Speaker 1: are those in this country who believe that hackers, perhaps

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Speaker 1: even Russian hackers, h tainted things that now you have.

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Speaker 1: Well depends on who's who's been hacked and who's been acting.

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Speaker 1: More Marine La Penn says that they've been under cyber

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Speaker 1: intrusions as well, So who knows if the election was

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Speaker 1: the way it was supposed to be or not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: cyber security is in our modern era, my friends, a

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Speaker 1: central part of the elected the integrity of the electoral

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: process now, because if people hack into all your stuff,

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: well is it a fair election? That's what everyone's gonna ask.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. The Freedom Hunt rocks online too.

1355
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: You can hang out with Team Buck any time. Plus

1356
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: get plucks the latest news and analysis. Go to buck

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. The Buck

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Speaker 1: is back. Sanco de Mayo origins and today let's talk

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Speaker 1: first of little happy Sanco de Mayo everybody. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: if you say it to enough people, somebody will perhaps

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: get a little snippy with you for no good reason,

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: but just to say, well, you know, don't don't engage

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Speaker 1: in wanton cultural appropriation of this Mexican holiday. And they

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Speaker 1: might even try to lecture and how it's not Mexican Independence.

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Speaker 1: But you already know that Mexican independence or Dia de

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Speaker 1: la Independencia. I did not take Spanish in school. I

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Speaker 1: took French, German, and Arabic, so there you go. Um

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Speaker 1: never took Spanish, so my Spanish pronunciations are gonna be

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Speaker 1: pretty terrible. Apologies for that. But Mexican Independence Day is

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Speaker 1: September six. That is when there was the uprising and

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Speaker 1: a declaration of of independence from the Spanish colonial government

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Speaker 1: back in eighteen ten. So that was quite a ways

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Speaker 1: before the eighteen sixty two Battle of Puebla, which is

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Speaker 1: what Sanco de Mayo celebrates. Now, a little bit of it,

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Speaker 1: just the BackStar, and then I'll give you my own

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Speaker 1: little Sanco de Mayo story, which ties into progressive is

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Speaker 1: M and campus culture being in the the teeth of

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Speaker 1: the diversity educator movement, having them come after you, that

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Speaker 1: was an interesting experience as a young as a young

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Speaker 1: lad um. So I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: The first Sanco de Mayo, so it's it's the Battle

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Speaker 1: of Puebla during the Franco Mexican War, which is mid

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, eighteen sixty one, eighteen sixty seven. Sanco to

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Speaker 1: Mayo obviously happen on May five, know in eighteen sixty two.

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Speaker 1: It's not a huge deal in Mexico. It's really mostly

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Speaker 1: celebrated only in Puebla State, which is down in the

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Speaker 1: southeast of the country. It's also where the city of

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01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: Vera Cruz or True Cross was found, and that ties

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01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: in a little bit too well. That ties into the

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Speaker 1: story here. So what happened. You get Bunito Warez who

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Speaker 1: becomes elected president of Mexico in eighteen sixty one. The

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Speaker 1: countries in really really rough shape, and so they default, see,

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Speaker 1: because that's what happens in countries when you go beyond

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Speaker 1: your financial obligations. Just a little aside here, you run

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01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: up debts that are too high, and you may find

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Speaker 1: yourself in a position where you can't pay them back

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Speaker 1: and you default, and then your creditors and then you

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Speaker 1: can't get credited, and then you have all kinds of

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Speaker 1: financial strife. But in a mid nineteenth century, when you

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Speaker 1: still have colonial powers like France, Britain and Spain, it's

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Speaker 1: not like you default Alton. You just deal with the

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Speaker 1: economic pain. And maybe there's some there's some frosty meetings

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Speaker 1: at the I M F or something. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: they they come after you. In the mid nineteenth century,

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Speaker 1: so France, Britain and Spain sent forces to Vera, Cruz,

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Speaker 1: Mexico and Pueblo State. They wanted the money, and the

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Speaker 1: British and the and the Spanish said all right, well

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Speaker 1: we'll will, we will go. But the French under Napoleon

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01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: Poisi m Napoleon deteried. He was named for the great

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Speaker 1: Napoleon who came before him, but Napoleon de Thailled was

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01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: not nearly as a fantastique. So the the Napoleon the third,

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Speaker 1: Napoleon the third decides he's gonna take a chunk out

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Speaker 1: of Mexico. And this was also tied into how the

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Speaker 1: uh the French wanta dam pro confederate, a pro confederate

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Speaker 1: state in Mexico. But I might be going beyond my

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Speaker 1: might be going beyond my brief with that one. I

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Speaker 1: might be might be beyond my knowledge base, so you

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Speaker 1: But anyway, the French land they got, they got six

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Speaker 1: thousand troops that go to that go into east central Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and there is a force that rises up against them

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Speaker 1: that is greatly outnumbered. It is led by I believe

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Speaker 1: hennyral Ignacio Zaragoza, and they for they build up this town,

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Speaker 1: they manned the ramparts, and they get all ready for

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01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: this French assault. And on Centco to Mao eighteen sixty two,

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Speaker 1: the fight happens. It was just a one day affair.

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Speaker 1: The French lost about five hundred soldiers, the Mexican forces

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Speaker 1: lost about a hundred. Some of you are probably sitting

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Speaker 1: around thinking, okay, by by battle standards in really any period,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty minor. That's a pretty minor, no, you know,

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Speaker 1: for a major engagement between between nation or sorry not

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01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: for for for an engagement between major nations. This is

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Speaker 1: obviously not a major engagement. That's not that many casualties

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Speaker 1: that that's pretty limit. I mean, this is during the

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Speaker 1: period of the Civil War, right, so we can imagine

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Speaker 1: you look at back at battles during the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: Gettysburg and Antietam and all these places, and huge, huge

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Speaker 1: conflicts with tremendous casualties. Five hundred soldiers on the French

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Speaker 1: side and a hundred of Mexican side, you wouldn't think

1439
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: this would necessarily get all that much attention to the

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Speaker 1: history books. Now here's how here's how it does get

1441
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: attention or why it gets attention, and then we'll get

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Speaker 1: into market. You know how it became margaritas and um,

1443
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: you know there's a level of of cultural appropriation. It's okay,

1444
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: I think because we all celebrate food, because we like

1445
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: to eat, we can you could always get away with

1446
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: appropriating food, although there have been some complaints in places

1447
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: about you know how serving general so chicken in a

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01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: cafeteria and a campus is cultural appropriation or um calling

1449
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: it Asian cuisine gets people upset because Asia so big

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: and there's different many different cuisines from national from nationalities

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01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: and ethnic groups inside of Asia. So they called Asian

1452
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: cuisine is you know, the people always find something to

1453
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: be upset about, right, there's always some way to criticize

1454
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: stuff anyway. So how does the second of min become

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: a thing? The anti colonial aspect of this picked up

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: with primarily Mexican Americans in the twentieth century. This is

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: when it became more of a of a thing that

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01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: you would hear about here. Um, so it's become something

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: that in the nineteen sixties Mexican American activists raised this

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01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: as a time for celebration in areas of the country, UM,

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: like Los Angeles where there was a very substantial Mexican

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01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,480
Speaker 1: populate or Mexican American population UM. And the anti colonial

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01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: route had residents. And if you talking about the nineteen

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: sixties and anti colonialism as an ideology across the board

1465
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: gained a lot of residents and prominence then. But in

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01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: this instance, it's really that's why there was these UM,

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01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: this movement by the activists to say, see this is

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01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: Mexico was standing up against imperial uh, imperial acts by

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01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: foreign powers then and and should now and defended its

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01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: culture then and should now and so yeah, that they

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: kicked the French out. So the Mexican American activists in

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01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties it became a big deal. It's not

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Speaker 1: a big deal Mexico. They don't even have it's not

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Speaker 1: even official federal holiday. So banks and schools and all

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: that are still open. UM. And people always point out

1476
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: that there's a confusion with Mexican Independence Day, which I

1477
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: told you is in September. UM. But oh and and

1478
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: back to the back to the actual time of the battle.

1479
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're gonna find some greater significance

1480
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: in this UM on May five, eight sixty two. It

1481
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: was pointed to by historians as a coalescing of the

1482
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: resistance against this French expedition to carve up a piece

1483
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: of of Mexico. UM and so it led to more battles,

1484
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: and then eventually the French were defeated. So it's not

1485
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: not quite as theatrical as Leonidas's stand against Xerxes with

1486
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: a three at the pass of Thermopoli the hot gates,

1487
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: but it was pointed to as having a somewhat similar effect,

1488
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: a rallying cry among indigenous Mexican forces to beat back

1489
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: the French invaders, the colonial French invaders, and once again

1490
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: the French shown up telling people what to do. So

1491
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: that's centco to Mayo and since then, because of well,

1492
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: obviously we have a very substantial Mexican American popularly huge

1493
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: Mexican American population in this country, um, and in all

1494
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: of the major urban centers you have substantial Latino and

1495
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: and and in many cases predominantly Mexican populations or Mexican

1496
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: American populations. So the food and the culture have already

1497
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: become much more widespread. And yeah, that's why now people

1498
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: point out that this is an excuse for a lot

1499
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: of Americans to go out there and um enjoy some

1500
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: aspects of Mexican culture, like the food and drinks. Um.

1501
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I I myself like Margarita's and guacamole very much. It's

1502
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,560
Speaker 1: a little more frowned on to do the sombreros and

1503
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: and to go beyond just the cuisine the celebration of

1504
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 1: that sense. From from what I understand, I want to

1505
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: tell you a story about a second Demio celebration from

1506
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: from some years ago that was supposed to occur on

1507
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: Amherst College campus that I may have been involved with.

1508
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: I may have been one of the organizers of said

1509
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: party on May five, two thousand one. Yeah, so let

1510
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: me tell to you about that. After the break So,

1511
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: I was with my UH friends freshman year and my

1512
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: my dorm at Amherst College and we we are in

1513
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: UH South dormitory, and there had been a tradition of

1514
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: throwing a South of the Border party on Psycho de Mayo.

1515
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: I didn't start the tradition, I didn't fight it, but

1516
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: this is what was going on at the school at

1517
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the time, and I figured, okay, this sounds and it

1518
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: was at all school party, meaning that we're basically turning

1519
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: the dorm into a giant, um, I don't know, a

1520
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: giant party. Okay. So that was that was the plan,

1521
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: and the whole schools invited. Now, the school's only sixteen

1522
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: dred students, so it's not and you know, of the

1523
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred and how many actually even want to show

1524
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: up and drink obviously non alcoholic unless you're of age,

1525
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Margarita's and and and all the rest of it, and

1526
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: drink a lot of Jose Cuerbo shots. Remember that was

1527
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: a thing that was going to happen. Um, And I figured, okay,

1528
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: well this will be fun. And we had there had

1529
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a uh, some people didn't

1530
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: like that there was a floor. There was more in

1531
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: the dorm where it was mostly uh, it was a

1532
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: woman's floor, and it was where women who chose to

1533
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: not have men, because at Emirates you had men and

1534
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: women not just on the same floor but in the dormitories,

1535
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: but actually sharing bathrooms on those floors, which I didn't.

1536
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy. That was not a good thing,

1537
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: um and I did not. I still this day, I'm

1538
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of perplexed by that. But that was what they

1539
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: had uh, we had old crappy dormitory, so maybe that's why.

1540
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: But there was a floor of all women they called it.

1541
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: They called it the nunnery, So that that got around,

1542
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: so that we had already I I knew that people

1543
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: were there was a little bit of a sensitivity around

1544
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: certain things. It's a very sensitive campus. I mean, you

1545
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: a fend the wrong person, and you're gonna hear about it.

1546
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, the fend the wrong group, You're gonna hear

1547
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: about it via protests and sit in. This is where

1548
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I learned about sit ins as well, where people will

1549
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: find a means to force their force their grievances upon

1550
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: you by clogging up either a place where people want

1551
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: to sit or taking up The one that I remembered

1552
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: was in the cafeteria. There's only one cafeteria, and like

1553
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: I said, sixteen hundred students, so if everyone they assumed

1554
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: that people will be coming and going. If you have

1555
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred students who sit in the cafeteria

1556
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: and don't move, no one can really sit down. So

1557
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: that that was the thing that happened as well. I

1558
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: remember sit ins when happen. So we're gonna throw our

1559
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: sanco to Mayo party, and I don't remember what I

1560
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: was in charge of. There was a whole bunch of

1561
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: us that were involved in throwing in this party. I

1562
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: just know that I was in charge of making it awesome.

1563
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: So I'd like to think that my my title was

1564
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: captain of awesomeness. But maybe that wasn't my official title,

1565
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: but it pretty much could have been. And I was

1566
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 1: a coordinator among the very you know, there was somebody

1567
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: who was on um alcohol detail for everybody who was

1568
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: of age drinking, of course, and there was somebody who

1569
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: was on party favors detail. And there's somebody who was

1570
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: on party invitations detail, which was not me. This this

1571
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: comes to the story in a moment here. So we're

1572
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: all excited, and all I'm thinking is it's gonna be great.

1573
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: It's towards the very end of the school year, Amherst

1574
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: is finally no longer. I don't know how many of

1575
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: you went to school in the Northeast or went to

1576
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: school in places where in wintertime it's like this, but

1577
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: it's central Massachusetts might as well be Siberia for six

1578
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: months of the year. It's not a not a fun

1579
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: situation with the weather. But in may you know, it's

1580
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: actually it's actually nice. You don't have to worry about

1581
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: walking out your door and having a giant ice flow

1582
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: like fall on top of your head. That was the

1583
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: thing that used to happen. So we're throwing this party.

1584
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I figured, it's gonna be beautiful weather, it's gonna be

1585
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: so much fun. Every's gonna be great, and we're inviting everybody.

1586
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: It's not like one of these elitist off campus fraternities

1587
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: where they're you know, they always of course have their

1588
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: own problems. Uh, this was open to anybody who wants

1589
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to to come in. Of course, you know, people need

1590
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: to to check I d s before anyone serving in

1591
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: an alcohol of course, responsible responsibility first team. But this

1592
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: was this was the party. It was gonna happen. And

1593
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: so I remember we were in a meeting and there

1594
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: was a young woman of um, well there's a young woman.

1595
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that for now. And she was on

1596
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: the invitations detail and I did not um or you know,

1597
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: she was on invitation whatever whatever you call it. In

1598
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: detail makes it sound like the secret service or something.

1599
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: But she was supposed to make the invitations for this

1600
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 1: campus wide party. And amer's a very politically correct, very

1601
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: sensitive place. And she made an invitation and she was

1602
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: she was not American, and she made this invitation, um,

1603
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: and I didn't see it, and they put it in

1604
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: the mailbox of I think it was every student in

1605
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 1: the school. I think we. I think they made xeroxy

1606
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: is and put this this invitation which we just said, yeah,

1607
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: make a sank like a Senko demo. And you know,

1608
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 1: I figure you're gonna see like, uh, I don't know,

1609
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of like moroccas or something, and uh,

1610
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: a sombrero and a bottle of tequila, you know, something

1611
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: like that, right, I mean this because this is how

1612
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: people celebrates any good to min woud usually even go

1613
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: out in a bar in your neighborhood. You'll see this

1614
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: is the stuff that it's really just a big It's

1615
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: turned into a big ad for Doseki's, Jose Quervo whatever,

1616
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: the margarita mix of choices. I don't know what it is,

1617
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: but you know, the the the various Mexican spirits and

1618
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: beer brands capitalize on this tremendously. Right, just like a

1619
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: lot of holidays, it becomes commoditized and commercialized. And anyway,

1620
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: she makes this invitation. And I'm walking across the quad

1621
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: and it's maybe a week before the party is supposed

1622
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: to happen, so I want to say it's the end

1623
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,839
Speaker 1: of aprilory May, early May. And a couple of senior

1624
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: uh senior class females see me, and they have this

1625
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: look on their face like something just absolutely terrible as happen.

1626
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean they have a look on their face like

1627
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: the the Fine Art Museum of Amherst is burning down,

1628
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: and like and there are a hundred fifty students inside

1629
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, they are really freaked out. And

1630
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, well this, this is probably not good.

1631
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: And I'm just a freshman, by the way, which if

1632
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: you remember from college, you know, you're very low low

1633
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: man on the on the on the on the list.

1634
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: And I remember they said, have you seen the invitation?

1635
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I said, no, I have not. I have not seen

1636
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: this invitation. And they produced one right on the spot,

1637
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: and it was a flyer and it said it's been

1638
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: big letters, come celebrate your Mexican independence, Sanco de Mayo.

1639
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: And there was a a guy who had a sombrero

1640
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 1: and a rather pronounced mustache and and and was taking

1641
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: a swig from a big bottle of tequila and they

1642
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: the school where and into the school definitely freaked out.

1643
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: There were I remember we used to have this. This

1644
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: is in the earlier days of Facebook, and you know

1645
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: internet usage on campus and there was one main campus

1646
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: website and I were seeing on the chat rooms about

1647
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: psychode Maya. How just this was, how it was so

1648
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: terrible and so racist and it's not Mexican independence and

1649
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: how could anyone make such a stupid mistake? And I

1650
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: mean it was just, Oh, it got hot and there

1651
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: there was some there was some heat in this one,

1652
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: and uh what end up happening was? Then it turned

1653
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: into what are they gonna do? And I had I

1654
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: will tell you that I had been to countless social

1655
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: events at Emirates at this point in time, where alcohol

1656
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: was very freely available, as it is on almost every

1657
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: college campus in the country. But it was made clear

1658
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: to the organizers of the party that if there was

1659
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: any alcohol served at this party of any kind, but

1660
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: we couldn't even like check I d no, no, no, no,

1661
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: there was gonna be none of that any alcohol served

1662
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 1: at this party. And they weren't going to it wasn't

1663
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: going to be a college matter. They were going to

1664
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: let the town police come and arrest people. It's like, okay,

1665
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: well that's a first uh So that that was the

1666
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: initial response that that I heard about from I don't know,

1667
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: various deans or administrators, but and they're figuring out, well,

1668
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: how how do we do this? How do we make

1669
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: this a teachable Both a teachable and a grandstanding moment,

1670
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: depending whether we're talking about professors or students, are both right.

1671
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 1: A teachable moment means an excuse to force everybody to

1672
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: sit there and be lectured about any number of cultural

1673
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: insensitivities and all the rest of it. And then they

1674
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: then they had this whole thing where they said, well,

1675
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: we gotta find first the person that made the this

1676
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: was the big scandal. Look at us made the invitation,

1677
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: and for some reason they thought it was me, But

1678
01:35:55,640 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: it was not, thankfully. And I remember this was the

1679
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 1: first time I was ever really formally had to had

1680
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: to deal with as a matter of of a disciplinary issue,

1681
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: although I did not there was no formal this one

1682
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 1: brought against me, but there could have been. I had

1683
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: to sit down with a diversity educator and not to

1684
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: be educated so much as very very gruffly and rudely

1685
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: lectured about all these all the insensitivities that are going on. Anyway,

1686
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I will have to finish my Sacred to Mayo story

1687
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: for all of you on the other side of this break.

1688
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: So stay with me, my friends. Welcome back to the

1689
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Freedom Hut on an island of liberty where you're the

1690
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks

1691
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: it off. So I'm trying to throw a Sinco de

1692
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Mayo party. I know, I say senko sometimes because I

1693
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: used to French sank instead of sinc Uh. So I'm

1694
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: trying to throw us a Sinko to Mayo party for

1695
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: the whole campus. I'm not the only one, by the

1696
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: whole dorm is throwing this thing. So I'm just somewhat

1697
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: visible as a well as a well known white Republican

1698
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: male at a place where that's uncommon. Uh. And there's

1699
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: there's a party it's supposed to happen, and people are offended,

1700
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: and I mean the whole campus is offended. I mean

1701
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: I think the town newspaper probably there writing about this thing.

1702
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: I mean it was the scandal. It was the talk

1703
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: of the town, and not in a good way, because

1704
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: these invitations went out there. And I sat down this

1705
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: diversity educator and he was very he's very short with me, Um,

1706
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: and uh said, you know, this is the kind of

1707
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that can get somebody

1708
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: suspended because there's no place for this kind of hostile

1709
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: environment on campus. That's a tone. And I was like, well,

1710
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: what do you mean. I I didn't do any you know,

1711
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything as well, aren't you the one

1712
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: behind the invitation? Said no? And as an aside, before

1713
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: I go into what happened with the person who was

1714
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 1: in charge of the invitation, UM, who didn't run it

1715
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: by any buddy and decided to just xeroxus thing and

1716
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: put it in like, you know, a thousand mailboxes. Uh.

1717
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: This is back in the Stone age, my friends, when

1718
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,560
Speaker 1: we had to use paper, you know, like now, it

1719
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: would obviously be an evite, which would also, I would assume,

1720
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: facilitate this invitation finding its way probably into like the

1721
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Boston Globe and any number of other places very quickly.

1722
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 1: It would in the social media age we're in now, Oh,

1723
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,560
Speaker 1: this would have gotten everywhere. But because of you know,

1724
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: it was this is like, uh, I mean, people were

1725
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: taking chariots to school instead of cars. I mean this

1726
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: is fifteen years ago. Now, if you had a cell phone,

1727
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: it looked like you were calling and calling in an

1728
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: air strike or something. I mean it was huge. It

1729
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: was like a heavy, heavy device that you needed a

1730
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: shoulder bag to carry. So it's very different now. Um,

1731
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 1: so we're I sit down this diversity educator. I've never

1732
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: dealt with them before, excepted, I never dealt with them

1733
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: before except like the first day of school when we

1734
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: had these mandatory lectures on as you know, the patriarchy

1735
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: in like white male oppression and uh you know how

1736
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: we're all, um just like one one step away from

1737
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: being a sexual assault, uh you know, perpetrator without even knowing.

1738
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of like really not not

1739
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 1: particularly fair minded or helpful stuff, but that I had

1740
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: to deal with them now, and they were sent on

1741
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: orders from the dean. So now there's disciplinary function and

1742
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: it's the end of my first year. I really want

1743
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: to get any trouble and they're saying that you could

1744
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 1: be removed from campus for this kind of I'm sure

1745
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: today they'd probably say that this was a that that

1746
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: whoever made this invitation might have been guilty of like

1747
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: a hate crime, although there was nothing again Mexican independence,

1748
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 1: instead of the celebrating the battle of the victory of

1749
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: the Battle of Puebla over Napoleon the third in which

1750
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 1: there were five casualties. Um, but yeah, I mean, so

1751
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: they got that wrong. And then the drawing of the guy.

1752
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: He was he had a big mustache in the sombrero

1753
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: in a bottle of to kill us. So it was,

1754
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, there were some I understand their stereotypes. I'm

1755
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying you'd want to do this. I'm

1756
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: just saying that I don't know if it's like someone

1757
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: should get locked up for this. That seems a bit

1758
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: that seems a bit extreme. But they're saying they were,

1759
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 1: they were using all those you know, removed from campus

1760
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: hostile environment obviously, um, you know, violation of the student

1761
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Code of you know, the student Code of Conduct or

1762
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: the student Code of Respect that these schools, by the way,

1763
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: it's always only brought up in the context of hurt

1764
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 1: feelings of aggrieved or oppressed UM groups on campus. It's

1765
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: never it's never brought up though if you're if you're

1766
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: like a Christian that feels like the classes that mock

1767
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: your faith and and all that you know. It's never

1768
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: brought up to defend you or what you think. You know,

1769
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 1: if you want to throw a Reagan party, you better

1770
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: be ready to get picketed. There's never a code of conduct. Hey,

1771
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: why don't we be nice to somebody and let them

1772
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: just do their thing? Anyway? So I sit down, and

1773
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: here's what ends up, having the diversity innger cators as well,

1774
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: who who made the invitations? And everybody knew because we

1775
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: had we had been in a meeting and people that,

1776
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, I did, I did, you know, people raise

1777
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: their hands and volunteered. And again I was just like

1778
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Captain of Awesomeness. I wasn't really um, you know, one

1779
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 1: way or the other. I didn't really have a specific

1780
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: role than just to make all the magic happen as

1781
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: I do here in the Freedom Hunt. Really it's not

1782
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 1: I guess captain No of awesome is still my title.

1783
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to think captainness is not a thing. So

1784
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: we've he finds out the diversity educator guy finds out

1785
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: that the the offender who made the invitation, the insensitive invitation,

1786
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: is a female foreign and I believe South Asian student.

1787
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: So that changes the whole dynamic because now are you

1788
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:50,839
Speaker 1: going to a You're going to severely punish a female

1789
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: foreign minority student over this infraction that doesn't have the

1790
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: same I mean, they wanted, they wanted to hoist up

1791
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 1: Bucks Sexton and you know, make an example of him.

1792
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: They didn't really wanna mess with this female student who

1793
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: clearly just didn't think that this was that big a deal.

1794
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 1: But isn't a isn't a useful target for the purposes

1795
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 1: of making their their broader political point on the campus.

1796
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: So that then throws this whole thing into oh gotch

1797
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 1: what's going on now? And the back and forth on

1798
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: the campus website because at that point you could publish anonymously,

1799
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: although as I was told people, there's really no such

1800
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 1: things publishing anonymously. You think you post anonymously, but there's

1801
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: always a trail and the moment that people start throwing

1802
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: around terms like hey crime, you know, maybe maybe they

1803
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: call on the police and they trace the I P

1804
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 1: address of the comments. But the comments got got particularly nasty,

1805
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: so we said, all right, look, what what can we do.

1806
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,600
Speaker 1: I remember meeting with meeting with the diversity educators. This

1807
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: was all left the diversity educators because I think it

1808
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 1: was one of the only things they really had to

1809
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: do other than a couple of workshops on how uh

1810
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, white male patriarchal patriarchal oppress and is so

1811
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: widespread on campus. So they had something to do, and

1812
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: they were in charge of coordinating our penance for this,

1813
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the whole dorms penance for this assault on diversity and

1814
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: assault on you know whatever, cultural appropriational all that stuff.

1815
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: So the decision was made and they asked it. I

1816
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: remember somebody somehow gave them a list of like the

1817
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: things that were we're planning on doing, and you know,

1818
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: there was someone had come up with this idea they

1819
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 1: were gonna they're of course going to be giving out

1820
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: some sombreros. That was a big no no, that was

1821
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 1: awful list And uh, I think somebody said that they

1822
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: wanted to have a have a it's like pin the

1823
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: tail on the on the on the donkey, but you'd

1824
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: be in a chair and they'd spin you around and

1825
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: then you'd and there might have been tequila involved there might,

1826
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it was a long time ago. Guys.

1827
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,560
Speaker 1: This is neither here nor there, and somebody may have

1828
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: said they were going to call it the Loco chair

1829
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: or something like that. I think so that was gonna

1830
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: be one of the is kind of an amusement park

1831
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: ride aspect of this that was planned. And there were

1832
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 1: a few things like that that were supposed to be

1833
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: maybe a part of this. I think Moroccas were maybe

1834
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: going to be purchased in bulk and you know, stuff

1835
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: like that, and then we were just told none of that.

1836
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,640
Speaker 1: There can be nothing. There can be no uh no

1837
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: wearing of ponchos, no sombreros, no no any of that stuff,

1838
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 1: which I wasn't planning on doing anyway. I just wanted

1839
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 1: an excuse to play loud of music, drink alcohol and

1840
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean drink um juice, and talk to my female peers.

1841
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really care what the cultural situation was. But

1842
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: other people had gotten into all this stuff, right is

1843
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: it was them? They were the ones doing all this stuff.

1844
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like I said, Captain, this of awesome. So

1845
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: uh they said that we could we could throw a

1846
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 1: party that had no decorations, no handouts of of any paraphernalia, um,

1847
01:44:53,240 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 1: no specifically ethnic music, and uh no alcohol. That is well,

1848
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: they said no alcohol period of course, because there are

1849
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: some there could be people under twenty one there, but um,

1850
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: no drinks that were specifically So we just ended up

1851
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: throwing a party, calling it a Psycho to Mayo party,

1852
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: and it was. It had nothing to do with anything,

1853
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: no cultural appropriation whatsoever. I think we you know, there

1854
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: might have been people that were smuggling in bottles of

1855
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: tequila here and there, and the party was okay, but

1856
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing was cast under this cloud of how

1857
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: could you and all of this, And I just remember

1858
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: thinking that there are such more important things for people

1859
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: to be concerned and worried about, but in a campus environment,

1860
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: these are the issues that get people really energized. And

1861
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: it's just a fantastic opportunity for virtue signaling, for showing

1862
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:53,560
Speaker 1: how evolved and brilliant and thoughtful and connected to the

1863
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, to the either foreign cultures or to the

1864
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: downtrodden or to the whatever you are. Uh. And it

1865
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: was a real learning experience too, I mean I remember

1866
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:11,680
Speaker 1: this on campus. There were somebody was stabbed very seriously actually, um,

1867
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: there were fights where people were seriously injured. Um, there

1868
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:19,640
Speaker 1: were parties that the police had to come and and

1869
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: actually one of them was a party at one of

1870
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: the I believe they called an affinity house or a

1871
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: um uh. It was like a cultural celebration house for

1872
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 1: a minority group, and the police had to be called

1873
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 1: in with a lot of pepper spray and a lot

1874
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 1: of batons. Um. But like that, that was never that

1875
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a big scandal, That wasn't a big These were

1876
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: all things that would happen in and around the camp.

1877
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 1: And like amatesh is usually a pretty I mean that

1878
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: the police log and AMers is usually like about a

1879
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: rogue squirrel disturbing girls, you know, by running across the

1880
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: ceiling at night or something. I mean, it wasn't that

1881
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: rogue squirrel was about as dangerous as it usually gone.

1882
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: But there were incidents in my four years there that

1883
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: were much more serious than an instance of you know,

1884
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 1: handing out some barreros and drinking tequila on and misnaming uh,

1885
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, May five as Mexican Independence Day, but on

1886
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: a college campus. Actually, those are the gravest sins, real crimes,

1887
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: even real since things that in real life will get

1888
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 1: you in big trouble don't get the sin, don't generate

1889
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: the same outrage as uh, you could say cultural crimes

1890
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: do um. And this was a long time ago. I'm

1891
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: sure it has gotten much worse now. I think that

1892
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: right now there. Oh but I forgot to even tell you.

1893
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: They threatened to pick it us too. They're going to

1894
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: be protesters outside of party college party. Like what was

1895
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 1: was that it's not fun, right but anyway, so we

1896
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: threw it and it kind of wasn't so fun. But

1897
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: it was a very instructive event because seeing the administration

1898
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 1: of the school mobilized in such a way, seeing they

1899
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: haven't being told that people would be arrested. I mean

1900
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 1: there there was alcohol, I mean, there was stuff going on.

1901
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was like animal house over

1902
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: there sometimes and and nobody was ever called on the

1903
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: actual police police not the sort of campus to come

1904
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 1: on and arrest people. I mean that wasn't done. Oh no.

1905
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 1: But if you if you hand out some breros to people,

1906
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 1: you're you're there might be there might be people going

1907
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: to jail. It was very instructive so that since then,

1908
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I've I've celebrated Sanco Sinco, Sinco to Mayo bucket all right,

1909
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,600
Speaker 1: Sinco de Mayo with with friends. Whenever I get the opportunity.

1910
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: I think it's been pretty rare, honestly, Um, and tonight,

1911
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I say, I make it sound like

1912
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm fun and going to party, but it's a very

1913
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: decent possibility that I may not even make it through

1914
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 1: one margarita. I might just I don't know, read read

1915
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 1: a history book and pass out. But I'd like to

1916
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:39,600
Speaker 1: think that I'm cool and we'll go out and have

1917
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 1: a drink and celebrate, celebrate the fantastic victory of the

1918
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: general in Pueblo. I believe it's in Pueblo de Los

1919
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: Angeles is the name of the town. And beating Napoleon,

1920
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: the Thirds troops, beating the French. So there you go.

1921
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: That is my Sinko to Mayo story. Stay canto it

1922
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'll be right back. Wow, this is this is

1923
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: really getting interesting actually on this uh French election leak

1924
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: with Matt kran you have the um the media. This

1925
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 1: is the headline up on Drudge right now being told

1926
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: to ignore it. Um, isn't this interesting? What what are journalistic?

1927
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I think journalistic ethics is kind of

1928
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: a funny, a funny thing. In the first place. I

1929
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,640
Speaker 1: think there's just ethics. I don't really know that journalists

1930
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:39,719
Speaker 1: other than maybe protecting sources. But I don't know what's

1931
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,719
Speaker 1: specific a journalism. You know, tell the truth, be honest,

1932
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 1: have some integrity. I don't think it's that different than

1933
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: any number of other professions where you would hope that

1934
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: people are being ethical. But what are the what are

1935
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 1: the ethics of dealing with information like this that has

1936
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: been stolen in this way? You know, it's uh people

1937
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: because someone's gonna publish it. So this idea that maybe

1938
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: you'll somehow find a way to to shut it down

1939
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: and h and prevent it from becoming a game changer

1940
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 1: in the election, that that's just not gonna happen. And

1941
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 1: in the Internet age, it's not going to happen. In

1942
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: the newspaper era, you know, the gatekeepers had so much

1943
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 1: more power, and I feel like, if you know, the

1944
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: New York Times, the Washington Post and a few other

1945
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 1: papers decided they weren't going to run with something, there

1946
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: was a real opportunity for them to squelch a story entirely.

1947
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,879
Speaker 1: But now once it's out there, once it's been released online,

1948
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, someone's gonna go with it. So what are

1949
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: you really doing by not and I wonder what is

1950
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 1: in these emails. This is what is up on Yahoo

1951
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: news right now. Leading French presidential candidate Emmanuel Cross campaign

1952
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 1: said had been the target of a massive computer hack

1953
01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 1: Friday evening that dump its campaign emails online, one and

1954
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: a half days before voters choose between the centrist and

1955
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:08,480
Speaker 1: his far right rival Marine le Pin. Mccran, who extended

1956
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,560
Speaker 1: his lead in the polls over Lepin on Friday, is

1957
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 1: seen as the front runner in election bill as the

1958
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: most important in France in decades. Right now, here's the

1959
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: specifics of the leak. Some nine gigabits of data were

1960
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 1: posted by a user called e m leaks to paste bin,

1961
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 1: a document sharing site that allows anonymous posting. It was

1962
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: not immediately clear who was responsible for posting the data

1963
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: or if any of it was genuine um. In a statement,

1964
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 1: mccron's political movement, oh marsh Onwards confirmed that it had

1965
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: been hacked and it is the victim of a massive

1966
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 1: and coordinated hack that has given rise to diffusion on

1967
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: social media of various internal information. Well, now you start

1968
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 1: to get into some you know, you get into the

1969
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: questions about is it better to know, you know, we

1970
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: transparency about what a campaign is saying and doing. Look,

1971
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 1: I know that hacking is illegal, and I would never

1972
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't condone it, and um, I wouldn't condone it

1973
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 1: in any context. And um, what do you do though?

1974
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want to know? This is the fascinating thing.

1975
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a voter in France and someone says, well,

1976
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: we have all of the the guy, even if you're

1977
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: a Macron voter, And of course you can draw the parallels,

1978
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: my friends to what happened here with Trump and Hillary

1979
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 1: right and the Podesta emails and all that, so we

1980
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: were all aware of how this is. This is hitting

1981
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 1: on some very sensitive areas, um with the media in

1982
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: this country and how they're going to cover all of this.

1983
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 1: But I would want to know. I would want to

1984
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: know what the truth is as much as I could,

1985
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 1: even if I was a supporter. So for example, if

1986
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: there had been a hack of Trump emails right before

1987
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:03,560
Speaker 1: and we know that there were some intrusions in the

1988
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 1: RNC computers and people have said all that, but if

1989
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 1: there was a hack of I don't know Trump going

1990
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 1: back and forth with some of his top people, Um

1991
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: would I and I knew that they were online and

1992
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 1: I could just click and read them. Am I likely

1993
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 1: to read them as a voter? I think the answer

1994
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: that has to be yes, you'd rather know the truth. Um.

1995
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: But this now has become a uh, it's gonna feel

1996
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 1: I think soon like this is a standard meaning that

1997
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: there will be because all it takes is one person

1998
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 1: to try to do this, and the scale of the

1999
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 1: hack doesn't even matter all that much, and you'll get

2000
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 1: into these dueling narratives over whether it affected the outcome

2001
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 1: or not. And so, for example, from the Russian perspective,

2002
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: if it really is to expose what Russia and putin

2003
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,560
Speaker 1: the Kremlin thinks is Western hypocrisy when it comes to

2004
01:53:54,680 --> 01:54:00,640
Speaker 1: free and fair elections, then well they've managed to do

2005
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 1: that just by creating an uncertainty about the outcome and

2006
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: the effect that the hacking has had on the outcome.

2007
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: So they don't know. What I'm saying is they don't

2008
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 1: have to change the outcome. They just have to leave

2009
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 1: a question out there that's where they've changed, and and

2010
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 1: that that might have an impact, that might change the

2011
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 1: way people view some of these elections at least. Um,

2012
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: and and we'll see. But this French election going on

2013
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 1: on Sunday is gonna be uh more. It could be

2014
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 1: closer and more interesting than anybody had thought up to

2015
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 1: this point. And if le Pen wins, by the way,

2016
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're gonna be uh They're gonna they're

2017
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna need smelling salts over at the New York Times.

2018
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean, someone's gonna have to wake them up. They're

2019
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna pass out over this. They're gonna completely lose it.

2020
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2022
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2027
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Speaker 1: a fantastic weekend, Happy Sanco to Mayo. Excited to join

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