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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Paul Morrow is a retired NYPD inspector, also an attorney,

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Speaker 2: founder of opsdesk dot org. Anyway, welcome back to the program, sir,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, Sean, thank you, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Jury deliberations now will continue tomorrow. They did have the

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Speaker 2: option of going till six pm today, they decided to leave.

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Speaker 2: That tells me they're nowhere close to a verdict, although

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Speaker 2: historically jury's like to come back with verdicts on Fridays.

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Speaker 3: They do, And I'm going to concur with your assessment that,

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Speaker 3: you know, reading a jury's intentions from their questions to

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Speaker 3: the judge is always a risky business at best, and

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Speaker 3: very often you're disappointed. But that said, it does argue

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Speaker 3: that there is certainly some things that they want to

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Speaker 3: drill down on. I would say that it means it

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Speaker 3: things are really clear, in which case they're just buttoning

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Speaker 3: up some last steps and they are going to come

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Speaker 3: back tomorrow with something that they've already come to a

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Speaker 3: conclusion on. Or I think more likely, as you said,

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Speaker 3: there's some dissent and they're going over some specific aspects

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Speaker 3: I mean, remember, I've read the fifty five pages of

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Speaker 3: the judges instructions now twice, and they're barely comprehensible when

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Speaker 3: they're in front of you. Remember that the jury does

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Speaker 3: not have that paperwork in front of them. They're doing

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Speaker 3: all this from instructions from the judge that they hear

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Speaker 3: verbally and that they have to take back in their heads.

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Speaker 3: And so you have to imagine they said, Okay, let's

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Speaker 3: start this thing very meticulously. Let's start at the first statute,

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Speaker 3: the first charge, which is the thirty four falsification of

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Speaker 3: business records. And I feel like that's why they're focusing

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Speaker 3: on this David Pecker testimony, because they're trying to corroborate

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Speaker 2: I thought the lines that I don't pay for stories,

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Speaker 2: I don't pay for stories, I don't pay for stories

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Speaker 2: was pretty interesting. Why they would even what's that I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm here a verdict has been reached in this case?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're telling me, Linda?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, mister Morrow for interrupting, but we are

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Speaker 4: seeing the chirons come across all of our TVs telling

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Speaker 4: us that a verdict has been reached in the Trump trial.

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Speaker 4: Fox News, CNN, straight across the board, So we are

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Speaker 4: on standby.

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Speaker 2: Wow, a verdict has been reached. I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Paul Morrow, Yeah, I would agree so that Actually, So

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Speaker 3: I just gave the two possibilities that I felt that

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Speaker 3: thought it was more likely. Now it sounds like maybe

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Speaker 3: the former. If I had to bet my pension right

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Speaker 3: now showing I'd say that coming back thirty four counts

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Speaker 3: guilty because the judge, in my estimation, all but made

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Speaker 3: that inevitable.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've been saying that I felt he

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Speaker 2: put the scales cinder blocks on the scales of justice,

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Speaker 2: and I've gone through all the different is the idea

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Speaker 2: you guys can agree he's guilty, but you can have

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Speaker 2: four different reasons for believing that. Well, that goes against

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Speaker 2: not one but two Supreme Court decisions, the latest in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, the Ramos versus Louisiana decision. You know, the

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Speaker 2: jury now was told dozens of times in the six

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Speaker 2: hour closing that the payments for campaign violations and the

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Speaker 2: judge is now letting that let that false claim go uncontradicted.

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Speaker 2: You can add to that the judge being a Biden donor.

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Speaker 2: I have felt the judge, after the disastrous testimony that

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Speaker 2: been throwing lifeline after lifeline. That has just been unprecedented

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Speaker 2: to me. Now, I think there are multiple way, multiple

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Speaker 2: avenues for reversible errors here. And I think there's been

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Speaker 2: clear conflicts of interest in this case since involving the

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Speaker 2: judge himself, and I think the need for recusal was

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Speaker 2: and this was made by Andy McCarthy is a smart guy.

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Speaker 2: Now he doesn't believe there should be a conviction in

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Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you what he said.

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Speaker 2: He said prosecutors from the office of elected Progressive Democratic

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Speaker 2: DA Alvin Bragg of effectively concealed which should have been

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Speaker 2: fatal holes in their case. The state's well aware of

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Speaker 2: Tuesday evening. The slight of hand is that a mountain

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Speaker 2: subject matter is sorted. Paying off a porn star playboy

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Speaker 2: The waves of evidence enable the prosecutors to numb the

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Speaker 2: that has become the dispositive issue. And you know, and

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Speaker 2: he did it on his own without telling Trump. And

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Speaker 2: Trump reimbursed Michael Cohne, by the way, as a legal

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Speaker 2: but anyway, didn't violate the federal campaign finance laws under

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Speaker 2: You know, there's not a shred of evidence that Trump

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Speaker 2: with all that said, with merchants help, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: just basically think he said to the jury, convict this guy,

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Speaker 3: I agree, and that's how they constructed it. And I

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Speaker 3: this is going to be guilty or not guilty all accounts.

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Speaker 3: And I think you and I know which way this

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, I think that you know, it's just come back

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Speaker 2: Matt Gaates, you know, literally said six to eight people

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Speaker 2: really have a lot of hope. But most of those.

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Speaker 3: Jurors, Yeah, And you know a lot of these people

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Speaker 3: a tailwind, I mean that really would have pushed him forward,

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Speaker 3: And look, at the end of the day, the defense

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Speaker 3: hide those fleets. That's it. That's what they took back

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Speaker 3: I think that's what ends up being what remains salient

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Speaker 3: I'm not optimistic here. And it's a bad day if

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Speaker 3: that's the case. It's not a good day for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: It's not a good day for New York and it's

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Speaker 2: Show not a good good it's not a good day

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Speaker 2: for the rule of law. It's not a good day

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Speaker 2: for the Constitution. I'll tell you what I'm gonna end

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Speaker 2: up doing, Paul, I'm gonna I'll let you go, but

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Speaker 2: There won't be any audio, there won't be any video,

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Speaker 7: And remember there was such a large portion of the

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I've been wrong all along so far,

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Speaker 2: But I was clearly wrong in that analysis, because seconds

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Speaker 2: so you know, the jury must be unanimous for any

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Speaker 2: guilty verdict. I mean, you've got to wonder, you know

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Speaker 2: how much jury instructions played into this. You've got to wonder,

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Speaker 2: you know how much the jury instructions of the judge.

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Speaker 2: You know, the idea four four four is okay in

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Speaker 2: spite of two Supreme Court rulings. You know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to wonder, you know, when the jury finds out that

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Speaker 2: the judge in this case was a Biden donor and

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Speaker 2: possible other conflicts, how they might react to that. You've

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Speaker 2: got to wonder. By the way, Lee Zelden is with us,

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Speaker 2: We'll get to him in a second. You've got to

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Speaker 2: wonder the judge allowing in closing arguments by the prosecution.

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Speaker 2: You know, you you you've got to wonder whether or

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Speaker 2: not in closing arguments that the jury was told dozens

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Speaker 2: of times the payments were campaign violations, and the judge

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Speaker 2: let that false claim stand uncontradicted. You know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to wonder, you know why. You know, pretty much every

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Speaker 2: objection was overruled on the defensive side, and such latitude

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Speaker 2: broad latitude was.

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Speaker 1: Allowed on the other side of it.

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Speaker 2: Let me bring in Lee Zelden, former congressman and gubernatorial

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Speaker 2: candidate and also spokesperson for the Trump team and a surrogate.

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Speaker 1: How are you, sir, I'll do well, Shawn, what's your

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Speaker 1: take on.

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Speaker 10: The well we'll see what ends up coming out. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's interesting that it was just a few minutes before

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Speaker 10: the announcement that the verdict was reached, that it seemed

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Speaker 10: like they were done for the day. Unfortunately, throughout this

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Speaker 10: entire process, this entire case, this judge, this prosecutor have

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Speaker 10: done everything in their power to try to weaponize the

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Speaker 10: criminal justice system and stack the deck against President Trump.

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Speaker 10: It was clear that President Trump wouldn't have been facing

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Speaker 10: these charges if his name wasn't Donald Trump, if he

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Speaker 10: wasn't running for president. This election interference case was held

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Speaker 10: in one of the bluest counties in the entire country,

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Speaker 10: so we always knew that the president was going to

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Speaker 10: have a difficult time finding a jury of his peers.

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Speaker 10: But you know, we'll see what they ended up deciding

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Speaker 10: to do here in in moments. But clearly, when you

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Speaker 10: were looking at reading about the jury instructions that were given,

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Speaker 10: it was that final reminder before jury deliberation started that

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Speaker 10: this judge was all in in helping Alvin Bragg, in

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Speaker 10: helping the Biden Justice Department with the way they sent

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Speaker 10: Matthew Colangelo, the number three to the District Attorney's office,

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Speaker 10: that they were all in to try to get this

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Speaker 10: jury to convict President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with you.

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Speaker 2: You know, as we look at by the way, Roger

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Speaker 2: Severino's with us with the Heritage Foundation, Roger early verdict,

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Speaker 2: we'd just gotten word that the jury was done for

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Speaker 2: the day and then oops, verdict has been reached.

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Speaker 6: Your reaction, well, this is a momentous day in the

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Speaker 6: history of America and what was theoretical is now real.

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Speaker 6: They've come back with a verdict, and so much of

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Speaker 6: our democracy hinges on this. Are we a banana republic

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Speaker 6: style country? Or is there the rule of law? Is

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Speaker 6: that real? We're going to find out shortly, and this

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Speaker 6: is momentus. I don't think we could overstate the importance

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Speaker 6: of this verdict.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can at all at all.

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you, I mean, look, I said

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Speaker 2: this from the beginning, and let me go back to

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Speaker 2: Lee Zeld and then we'll get to your take on it, Roger,

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Speaker 2: and your take on it.

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Speaker 1: David.

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Speaker 2: I said from the beginning, Donald Trump can't get a

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Speaker 2: fair trial in New York. I don't think you get

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Speaker 2: a fair one in DC. I don't think you get

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Speaker 2: a fair one in full in County, Georgia. And I said,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what the outcome is here, he did not

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Speaker 2: get a fair trial here. I mean, I used the

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Speaker 2: analogy cinder blocks were put on the scales of justice

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Speaker 2: by the judge in this case, who, by the way,

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Speaker 2: usually there's a lottery. He was selected, the same guy

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Speaker 2: selected to be on every Trump case that has gone

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Speaker 2: before the State of New York, that would be the

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Speaker 2: banning case, that would be the case of his CFO

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Speaker 2: in this instance, mister Weiselberg. So that seems odd to

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Speaker 2: me that somebody selected and there was not a lottery

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Speaker 2: as per usual policy. Isn't not the case?

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Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, It's totally suspicious how that would end up happening.

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Speaker 10: He isn't the only judge who exists in New York.

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Speaker 10: I was a prosecutor. I tried just under one hundred cases,

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Speaker 10: and during my time it was a responsibility on my

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Speaker 10: part as the prosecutor representing the government to inform the

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Speaker 10: descendant up front of exactly what the charges were that

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Speaker 10: they were facing. Why, Because that defendant, that defense council

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Speaker 10: has their own job to do to be able to

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Speaker 10: put forward their best defense in order to be prepared

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Speaker 10: for trial. To cross examine witnesses to present their own witnesses.

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Speaker 10: In this particular case, we get all the way to

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Speaker 10: the end of the trial and for the first time,

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Speaker 10: the prosecutor and the judge are initially indicating what maybe

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Speaker 10: the underlying charge. This was a misdemeanor elevated to a felling,

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Speaker 10: a misdemeanor where the statute of limitations run and the

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Speaker 10: only way for them elevated to a felony was to

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Speaker 10: say this was in pursuit of another crime. But they

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Speaker 10: never said they are accusing President Trump of violating Criminal

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Speaker 10: Statute X or Criminal Statute Y. Instead, the jury instructions

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Speaker 10: from Wan Mar Shaan is telling the jury they can

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Speaker 10: come up with any charge they want. They don't even

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Speaker 10: have to agree with each other. It doesn't even happen.

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Speaker 2: To Let me just tell everybody. The judge dress in

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Speaker 2: the courtroom. The jury has now been called into the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: so we're literally seconds away from this verdict.

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Speaker 1: Do any of you think not guilty?

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Speaker 6: Roger, It's tough given how much the deck was stacked

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Speaker 6: by Judge Brush on the jury instructions. He read them

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Speaker 6: for an hour, did not let the jury take them back,

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Speaker 6: and as I was just mentioned. They could convict on

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Speaker 6: multiple grounds and they don't have to be unanimous. There's

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Speaker 6: some real constitutional questions, right this This was a house

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Speaker 6: of cards stacked on inference. First it's got to be

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Speaker 6: falsification of business records, then in furtherance of some other crime.

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Speaker 6: And they don't have to agree as to what crime

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Speaker 6: that is. Was it campaign finance, was it a tax violation,

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Speaker 6: was it federal law? Was it state law? They can

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Speaker 6: make it up, and if he gets convicted, then he's

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Speaker 6: gonna have very strong grounds for an appeal. But this

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Speaker 6: judge could have spelled out the what's actually charged. You

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Speaker 6: have a right to know what you're being charged with,

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Speaker 6: some fundamental due process concerns, and this was a moving target,

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Speaker 6: and this judge so stacked the deck with these jury

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Speaker 6: instructions that it makes it far easier to convict. But

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Speaker 6: on the other hand, it makes it far easier for

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Speaker 6: President Trump to win on appeal if he does get convicted.

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Speaker 2: All right, hang on a second, We got the verdict

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Speaker 2: just in DA. I'm trying to look for updates here.

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Speaker 2: Count one guilty, Count two guilty, Count three guilty, Count

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Speaker 2: four guilty, Count five guilty. All right, it's it's kind

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Speaker 2: of what we expected reaction, Lee Zelden.

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Speaker 10: It's sick. I mean, we live in the greatest country

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Speaker 10: in the history of the world, and it just took

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Speaker 10: a gut punch for all of us. They care about

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Speaker 10: a rule of law. You care about having a system

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Speaker 10: where you have prosecutors who are not abusing their power,

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Speaker 10: entrusted with this power and doing the right thing to

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Speaker 10: protect the people. I want Alvin Bragg and prosecutors to

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Speaker 10: be out there making our streets safer instead of trying

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Speaker 10: to run this election interference to help Joe Biden in November.

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Speaker 10: That's why this case was brought. It's a gut punch

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Speaker 10: to anyone who loves America.

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Speaker 2: Gut counts one through twelve guilty already in David shown reaction.

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Speaker 8: The process detegrated our entire system for the world to see.

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Speaker 8: One of the most outrageous parts of it is it's

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Speaker 8: so reckless. They don't care about the appeal. The day

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Speaker 8: that the indictment came down, a texted President's company and

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Speaker 8: told them the indictment was fatally defective. Constitutionally defective. So

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Speaker 8: the reasons we've discussed now, they don't provide due process

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Speaker 8: or allow any fair trial rights because you can't defend

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Speaker 8: against the moving target. Cases are reversed when there's a

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Speaker 8: variance at trial from what the indictment charges. Here, the

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Speaker 8: indictment didn't charge the target crime. We've all said that

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Speaker 8: it all flows from the refusal denying on the mandatory refusal.

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Speaker 8: There's a history of this court, of this hand picking

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Speaker 8: of judges. It happened in this case. It denigrates our

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Speaker 8: system to everyone in America who cares about the system,

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Speaker 8: and everyone oversees the seas the force that.

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Speaker 2: This was all thirty four counts guilty reaction. Robert Severino, we.

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Speaker 6: Have crossed the rubicon. It's going to be a different

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Speaker 6: country today as opposed to yesterday. We've now moved into

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Speaker 6: the hall of shame of countries that actually prosecute political

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Speaker 6: opponents instead of letting the people decide. This is a

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Speaker 6: shameful day for America. It will be hard to recover

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Speaker 6: because this is what election interference looks like. There's any

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Speaker 6: doubt this is it trying to deprive the American people

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Speaker 6: of voting back into office a previous president. This has

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Speaker 6: never happened in the history of the United States, and

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Speaker 6: This is something that is a shock to the system.

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Speaker 6: It shakes America to its core. We are better than

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Speaker 6: this as a country, but certainly not today.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you really think about it, what are

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Speaker 2: we dealing with in this case? You're dealing with an

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Speaker 2: eight year old case. I mean, I've gone through this

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Speaker 2: in great specificity, in great detail, and I told people

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Speaker 2: I'm not pollyannish. There's no verdict. I am not surprised

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Speaker 2: at all. If anything, I was just hoping for the

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Speaker 2: best that this wouldn't happen. You know, it didn't matter

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Speaker 2: that Judge Mershon, you know, told jurors that they could

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Speaker 2: they don't have to agree unanimously. I'm like, really, well,

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Speaker 2: I beg to differ the US Supreme Court decision Ramos

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Speaker 2: versus Louisiana. You don't have to go back far to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty or Andres versus the US that particular case.

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Speaker 2: But you know, all the leeway, everything that we have

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Speaker 2: talked about. I just I think I think it was

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Speaker 2: stacked from the beginning. Now here's the question. Now, there

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Speaker 2: was a poll that came out earlier today, and well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, let me start with National Review. They

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Speaker 2: said this verdict is unlikely to have a major impact

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Speaker 2: on the election.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, a pulse is showing that, you know, most people

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Speaker 2: think a Republicans think that a verdict would make them

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Speaker 2: more likely to go out and vote for Trump. Say,

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Speaker 2: a number of Democrats say it not likely to vote

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Speaker 2: for Trump. Only twenty three percent of Americans expected this

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Speaker 2: guilty verdict today, only twenty three percent. That's an economist

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Speaker 2: you gov poll, the idea that somehow this is going

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Speaker 2: to have this massive You look at the PBS News Hour,

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Speaker 2: NPR Maris survey and that's where you find out Republicans

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Speaker 2: are more likely to go out and vote for Trump

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Speaker 2: and Democrats in almost an equal number or not. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty unbelievable the times that we're living in here.

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Speaker 2: And this is what I've been describing Lee Zelden as

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Speaker 2: the weaponization of our justice department.

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Speaker 1: This is what law fare is. You know.

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Speaker 2: Now we have to sit back and we all have

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Speaker 2: to now speculate. All right, convicted on all charges. Now

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Speaker 2: the question is what will this judge do here? The judge,

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Speaker 2: by the way, as a matter of New York law

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Speaker 2: and Lee, you would understand this. The judge has the

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Speaker 2: option right now to sentence Donald Trump. Now, does he

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Speaker 2: allow him to leave on his own recognizance recognisance pending appeal?

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Speaker 2: Is he really a flight risk with secret service around him?

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Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven? Does he remain remand him to

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Speaker 2: jail right now? Does he do any of that?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, does does he put an ankle bracelet on

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Speaker 2: it and say you got to stay home?

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Speaker 1: It's pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 10: It's so obvious. What the right answer is that he

655
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Speaker 10: should be released immediately on his own recognizance, that he

656
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Speaker 10: should have the opportunity to file and appeal, and President

657
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Speaker 10: Trump should have the ability to speak with a gag

658
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Speaker 10: order that is lifted, and he should be able to

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Speaker 10: go wherever he wants in America to campaign because he's

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Speaker 10: running for president of the United States. He's a major

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Speaker 10: party presumptive nominee, and according to polls, he is on

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Speaker 10: track to quite possibly being the next president of the

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Speaker 10: United States. So it is obvious what is right. Judge

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Speaker 10: has continued to twist himself in nots to pursue what

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Speaker 10: is wrong to do what maybe fulfills his pledge to

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Speaker 10: support the Biden Harris ticket as he's donated in the

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Speaker 10: past that might help his daughter and their consulting firm

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Speaker 10: raise money for their Democratic candidates. It might make him

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Speaker 10: a hero in some political circles, but it's a stain

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Speaker 10: on the judiciary.

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Speaker 2: David Shoan, let's get I will tell you right now,

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Speaker 2: I am looking at my phone and I don't have

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Speaker 2: the ability to do radio and actually read my phone.

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Speaker 2: My phone has blown up, like I can't even remember

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Speaker 2: the likes of which.

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Speaker 1: When, and I can't read half the messages to you.

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Speaker 2: But literally, I mean, people are reacting, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I just have to say, based on what we saw,

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Speaker 2: especially in the final hours of this is none of

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Speaker 2: this surprises me.

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Speaker 1: David.

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Speaker 8: I think fair minded Americans and I'm soaring up in

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Speaker 8: the polls from this. I think this judge is a

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Speaker 8: phony bolognae. I've been in front of this judge. He's

685
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Speaker 8: threatened me before, I've called him out for being biased before.

686
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Speaker 8: I think he's going to try to.

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Speaker 2: Look like he Well, WHOA go into detail. He's threatened you,

688
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Speaker 2: How did he threaten you? And what did he call

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Speaker 2: you out on?

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Speaker 8: I appeared in the case before him. He was dead

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Speaker 8: wrong on the law in the case he had a pack,

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Speaker 8: we had a packed courtroom. He's very insecure, so he

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Speaker 8: places to the audience. I showed him where he was

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Speaker 8: wrong in the case. He called me up to the

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Speaker 8: bench start reprimanding me, telling me, you're implying that I'm

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Speaker 8: biased against your client. I said, Judge, let me explain.

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Speaker 8: I don't mean to imply anything. You're biased against my client.

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Speaker 8: I fully believe that my cunk counsel local council stood

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Speaker 8: up and say I three hundred percent with what mister

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Speaker 8: s has said. So he said to me, we have

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Speaker 8: ways of dealing with people you like you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you know, we have ways of dealing with

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Speaker 2: people like you. What was he threatening to put you

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Speaker 2: in jail. I'd come visit you, by the way, I'd

705
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Speaker 2: probably bring a cake with a file on it for you.

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Speaker 1: But you know then i'd be in jail with you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: But look, there's nothing funny about this. The country's watching this,

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Speaker 2: and this is the amazing thing. I'm going to tell

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Speaker 2: you something right now, and I use the phrase, Roger,

711
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump had defies all conventional political gravity.

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Speaker 1: And what do I mean by that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so far you indict the guy and his

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00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: poll numbers go up. You get a mug shot of him,

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Speaker 2: his poll numbers go up. You know, if people have

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Speaker 2: watched this, and they've also had very very smart, consistent

717
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Speaker 2: analysis from really really bright lawyers like all of you

718
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Speaker 2: on this line, and Greg Jared and Alan Dershowitz and

719
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley and Andy McCarthy and Judge Jennine Piro and

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Speaker 2: you know, right across the board, and all of them

721
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: talked about the novel theory. All of them talked about this,

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Speaker 2: this upgrading of a statute of limitations, misdemeanor that his

723
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Speaker 2: time has run out. All of them have talked about

724
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Speaker 2: the judge being a Biden donor of the family conflicts.

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00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: All of them had talked about the DA running on

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Speaker 2: a get Trump platform. All of them watched and witness

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Speaker 2: after the gutting of Cone that the case was slipping

728
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Speaker 2: away and then the actions of the judge were accelerated

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Speaker 2: in terms of his bias. You know, the idea that

730
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Speaker 2: you know Costello whoo would have impeached Cone's testimony, was

731
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Speaker 2: not allowed to give full testimony. A Bradley Smith, the

732
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Speaker 2: former FEC chair, was not allowed to explain the law.

733
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Speaker 2: Only the judge could do that then, of course jury

734
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Speaker 2: instructions that were given in this case again another novel

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Speaker 2: theory that goes against not one, but two Supreme Court

736
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Speaker 2: decisions closing arguments with great latitude for the prosecution to

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Speaker 2: pretty much say anything they want. You know, all of

738
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Speaker 2: this star witness can convicted, admitted liar, felon, and now thief.

739
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Speaker 2: Who's gonna benefit from this case? Pretty damn amazing. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: let's get your reaction. I guess, so who am I

741
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: up to? I think it's actually we have former Attorney

742
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Speaker 2: General from Arizona, Mark Bernovich is on the line with us.

743
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Speaker 1: He as with us yesterday. Mark, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Let's get your reaction to the thirty four guilty verdicts today.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely shocking. I think that most of us that have

746
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 12: spent like I have, much of my career in criminal

747
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 12: justice system quite frankly want to cry. And it's not

748
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 12: because of you know, President Trump and him and I

749
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 12: have had our differences over the years, but the weaponization

750
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Speaker 12: of our judicial system and the fact that there's so

751
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Speaker 12: many people cheering, even on the left, on this. It

752
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Speaker 12: is a sad day for the not only America. It

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Speaker 12: is a sad day throughout the world. I think that

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Speaker 12: there are people, and I just got back from the

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Speaker 12: Middle East two weeks ago, that are mocking us and

756
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Speaker 12: laughing at us, that this is what happens in third

757
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Speaker 12: world countries. And I just cannot believe that there are

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Speaker 12: so many people giddy over what was clearly a bias trial.

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Speaker 12: And I know you've talked to people today about this,

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Speaker 12: and everyone's we talked about yesterday, everything from the very beginning,

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Speaker 12: the novel theory, the statute of limitations issues, the jury

762
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Speaker 12: instruction issues, the lack of being able to call defense witnesses,

763
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Speaker 12: all the latitude given to prosecutors, the testimony that was

764
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 12: allowed in you know from Stormy Daniels. There are so

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Speaker 12: many issues that there is no way even a liberal

766
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Speaker 12: appellate court will over up, uphold, excuse me, uphold this decision.

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Speaker 12: We all know that. And but for the left, the

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00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 12: ends justifies the means they are. They want to get

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Speaker 12: Trump any way they can, and so they don't care

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Speaker 12: if they're destroying and undermining the judicial system in the process.

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Speaker 8: I think it's very tragic.

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Speaker 12: I really think it's a tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at what the judge's options are here. Because

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Speaker 2: based on New York law, Lee, I'll start with you

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Speaker 2: on this. Based on New York law, the judge has

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Speaker 2: the right to issue a sentence right now. And now

777
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: the judge could release Donald Trump on his own recognisance

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Speaker 2: and waiting appeal. By the way, Donald Trump is about

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Speaker 2: to speak, let's uh, let's go straight to that and listen.

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Speaker 2: In he's walking up, you know, to basically that same

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Speaker 2: area where he's been talking on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have notes in front of him. I guess

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Speaker 1: the gag orders up. Let's listen.

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Speaker 13: Trial and disgrace. They wouldn't give us a venue change.

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Speaker 13: We were at five percent or six percent in this district,

786
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 13: in this area. This was a rigged, disgraceful trial that

787
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Speaker 13: the real verdict is going to be November.

788
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Speaker 14: Fifth by the people. And they know what happened here,

789
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 14: and everybody knows what happened here.

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Speaker 13: You have a sore respect.

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Speaker 14: Da and the whole thing.

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Speaker 15: We didn't do a thing wrong.

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Speaker 14: I'm a very innocent man, and it's okay.

794
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Speaker 15: I'm fighting for our country.

795
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Speaker 14: I'm fighting for our constitution.

796
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Speaker 15: Our whole country is being rigged right now.

797
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Speaker 14: This was done by the Biden administration.

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Speaker 15: In order to mond or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.

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Speaker 14: And I think it's just a disgrace. And we'll keep fighting.

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Speaker 14: We'll fight till the end, and we'll win because our

801
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 14: country has gone to hell. We don't have the same

802
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 14: country anymore.

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Speaker 15: We have a divided mess where nation had declined, serious decline.

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Speaker 15: Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right

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Speaker 15: now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists, and.

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Speaker 1: They're taking over our country.

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Speaker 14: We have a country that's in big trouble.

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Speaker 15: But this was a rig decision right from day one,

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Speaker 15: with a conflicted judges should have never been allowed to

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Speaker 15: try this case. Never And we will fight for our constitution.

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Speaker 13: This is loan from over, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: This is far from over.

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Speaker 2: That you just heard Donald Trump and very short but

814
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Speaker 2: powerful statements. A corrupt judge rigged from the beginning of venue.

815
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Speaker 2: They had wanted a change in venue. Apparently a district.

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Speaker 2: He got six percent of the vote. I think it

817
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: was about twelve. A disgraceful trial. The real verdict will

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Speaker 2: be on November the fifth. This is a fight. I'm

819
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: in a fight for our country and for our constitution.

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Speaker 2: We will fight to the end, and we will win.

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Speaker 2: Our nation is in serious decline. You know then he

822
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Speaker 2: mentioned wide open borders, but a rigged decision, conflicted and

823
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Speaker 2: you know that he is fighting to the end.

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Speaker 1: Let's get reaction, lee Z Elden.

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Speaker 10: I think He's only going to fight harder for this

826
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Speaker 10: country for this election. You were asking a little earlier.

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Speaker 10: The topic was about what was what was going to

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Speaker 10: happen with regards to polling, and people's feelings will hurt

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Speaker 10: President Trump, will to help him. I think the intensity

830
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Speaker 10: of the support behind President Trump only increases people who

831
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 10: are ready to get out of that fox little storm

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Speaker 10: that hell put on that paint, to go work hard

833
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 10: to get votes out, to convince people that this score

834
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Speaker 10: must get settled at the ballot box and that we

835
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Speaker 10: need people in charge of this country who aren't going

836
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Speaker 10: to abuse this power. So I think President Trump's going

837
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Speaker 10: to fight harder. I think his supporters are going to

838
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Speaker 10: fight harder for him. I think his likelihood of succeeding

839
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Speaker 10: this November is only going to go up because of that,

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Speaker 10: and because I think so many independent minded people know this,

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00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 10: understand this to be a political prosecution.

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Speaker 2: I think most people would agree with you David Shoan,

843
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Speaker 2: let's get your take on this.

844
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Speaker 1: In your reaction to this.

845
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Speaker 8: The reason, in my view of the settle along he

846
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 8: goes up in the polls is because I believe most

847
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 8: Americans are fair minded. The mistake that the left has

848
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Speaker 8: made in each of these cases, starting with the prosecute,

849
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Speaker 8: the Mother Team is rigging the deck. As you say,

850
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Speaker 8: they skew it. Why would you have only members of

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00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 8: the Mother Team who are anti Trump? Why would you

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00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 8: have Muller himself who works in the law firm representing

853
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 8: Hillary Clinton? And on and on?

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Speaker 9: You pick this.

855
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 8: Jack Smith has shown such poor judgment in the past,

856
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Speaker 8: and you put on his team people like J. P.

857
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Speaker 8: Cooney and Molly Gaston, prosecutors from DC prosecutor January sixth cases.

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Speaker 8: I have the sanctions motion going against both of them,

859
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 8: flying to a federal judge. Why not play it straight?

860
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Speaker 8: Why allow a district attorney to run for office with

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Speaker 8: a target with targeting an American citizen who hasn't even

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00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 8: been under investigation at that point. That's why people react

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Speaker 8: as they do, and they must because they denigrate our

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00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 8: country when they skew the system like this. You know,

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Speaker 8: yesterday we heard from Andrew Weisman that he has a

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Speaker 8: crush on Judge Murchan. That's about appropriate in this case.

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Speaker 8: Those are two peas in a pod. I don't know

868
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Speaker 8: which is word. Andrew Weisman is the most ethically bankrupt

869
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 8: prosecutor I've ever had a case against. Judge Mrchan is

870
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 8: one of the least competent, most biased. Show the poor

871
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 8: judgment here. That really speaks volumes to the country. And

872
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 8: now you're going to start hearing, by the way, these

873
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: phony claims of oh they're afraid from the reaction of

874
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 8: the Trump followers. You know, AOC puts something outrageous out there,

875
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 8: and she always says, oh she got threats. Play by

876
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 8: the rules, Play by the rules. That should be the

877
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 8: message from this.

878
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said David, I know you have to run.

879
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being with us.

880
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 12: All.

881
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: Let's get Roger Severino's take on the president's comments here.

882
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: This is far from over.

883
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 6: I think the most important thing he said is that

884
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 6: this is a fight for our co institution. This is

885
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 6: bigger than Trump. I think if anything, it'll make Trump

886
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 6: even more popular. It will energize people because the mask

887
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: is off. The left has been out to attack him

888
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 6: because if it's been anybody else without the name Trump,

889
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 6: this never would have happened. This is all about election interference,

890
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 6: and there's ultimately attack on our constitutional structure. This lawfare

891
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 6: has gotten to such an extreme point that President Trump

892
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 6: might be escorted in handcuffs today to jail simply because

893
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 6: not because he violated in law, because his political opponents

894
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 6: have political power and brought this sham prosecution before a

895
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 6: bias judge, before a crooked Michael Cohen, and the jury

896
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 6: went along with it when the stack, the deck was

897
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 6: stacked against him, especially with those flawed during instructions. You know,

898
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: at the Heritage Foundation where I'm at, we're going to

899
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: order the appeal to have in flagged the Pine Tree flag. Right,

900
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 6: President Trump should make his appeals, but we got to.

901
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 6: I mean, this is such a momentous moment. God needs

902
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: to be with us, right. This is a tough time

903
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 6: for our country.

904
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 16: This calling me.

905
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Let me give you an update. The judge released President

906
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Trump is my understanding on probation, but didn't give any

907
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: more the information than that.

908
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: That's all he said.

909
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to find out if they're going back

910
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: into the courtroom anyway. Also joining us, right, now is

911
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: Bill Jacobs, and we also have a former Attorney General

912
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: of Arizona Bernovich with us, Roger.

913
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: We're going to let you go.

914
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: We appreciate you being with us, and I know this

915
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: is if you're just joining us. The verdict came in

916
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: in the Trump case in New York, all thirty four

917
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: counts guilty.

918
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Not a surprise.

919
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: I told everybody from the beginning, don't expect a fair trial.

920
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: This is the same New York City the valued Mara

921
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: a Lago at eighteen million dollars. It was rigged from

922
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: the beginning. The President said, he said they will fight

923
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: to the end. This is far from over. And you

924
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: know this has been, you know, a case of a

925
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: crooked judge. He's said that pretty much every day as

926
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 2: he's come out, a corrupt judge, rigged and they tried

927
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: to change a venue. They didn't get it. But it

928
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: is where we all are anyway, joining us now. Bill

929
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: Jacobson is with us. And Bill Jacobson as a Cornell

930
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: University law professor, he's been on many times. Bill, welcome

931
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: back to the program. Let's get your take on this.

932
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think that my first reaction is one

933
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 16: of overwhelming sadness for our country that we've come to

934
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 16: a point where the judicial system and the prosecution prosecutorial

935
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 16: system has been so weaponized for political purposes. So that's

936
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 16: my first reaction. It's not discussed. It's just sadness for

937
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 16: our country that everybody knew this was a political prosecution.

938
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 16: The prosecutor ran for office saying this is what he

939
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 16: wanted to do. And I think that it's a sad

940
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 16: day for this country and people should should mourn for

941
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 16: not for Donald Trump even, but for our system that

942
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 16: this is what it comes to.

943
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: It really really is a sad day when you look

944
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: at this case. I talked a lot about the conflicts

945
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: I thought. I talked a lot about issues that are clear,

946
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: you know, avenues of appeal. I mean, it was so transparent,

947
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: It was so obvious to me that the judge, you know,

948
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: put cinder blocks on on the scales of justice. I

949
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: it just every day that went by, you know, it

950
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: became more and more obvious. But anyway, it's a reversible Uh,

951
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: there's so many reversible errors. How many you know do

952
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: you see in this case?

953
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot, and.

954
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 16: It starts from the entire theory of the case. That

955
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 16: took it out of a misdemeanor books and records case,

956
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 16: which was long since the statute of limitations had passed,

957
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 16: and turned it into a felony on a novel theory

958
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 16: which never has been tested, which liberal commentators at the

959
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 16: time sought very bizarre and very odd. As much as

960
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 16: they hated Donald Trump, liberal legal commentators thought this was

961
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 16: very strange and very weak. Then we roll into a

962
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 16: trial where essentially the trial is devoted to things that

963
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 16: are in a crime. It is not a crime to

964
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 16: pay somebody to be quiet. That's what's so insane about this.

965
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 16: It happens every day in court cases around the country.

966
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 16: You settle a case and there's a non disclosure agreement

967
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 16: in the settlement, and that's what happens. So this is

968
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 16: a case about something that was not a crime that

969
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 16: got converted to a crime under very murky circumstances where

970
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 16: it wasn't really until the very end that the defense

971
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 16: even knew what the crimes were that were being alleged,

972
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 16: and the jury was allowed to pick among crimes non

973
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 16: unanimously in order to convert it from a misdemeanor to

974
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 16: a felony. So this is the craziest case. I don't

975
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 16: know if it's the craziest I've ever seen, but this

976
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 16: is not what should have happened. And there are dozens

977
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 16: of areas where an appeals courts should reverse.

978
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this question, because you teach

979
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: law at a prestigious university, an Ivy League institution, and

980
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, is this a case study moving forward for

981
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: you and law students? Is this a case study of

982
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: how maybe the law in this country has been corrupted?

983
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: Because I don't see equal justice under the law, equal

984
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: application of our laws. There's not a single person that

985
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: I know that would have been charged with this crime

986
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: but for but Donald Trump.

987
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 16: Yes, this is not books and records is not something

988
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 16: that normally people get charged for, Okay, And so will

989
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 16: this become a case study? It should. Unfortunately a lot

990
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 16: of law schools have moved, have become politicized as well,

991
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 16: so I doubt it will be used as case study,

992
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 16: particularly if it gets reversed. But it should be because

993
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 16: this is what we're not supposed to be. And you know,

994
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 16: Hillary Clinton got every benefit of the doubt from the

995
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 16: prosecutors to not even try to prosecute her, and Donald

996
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 16: Trump is just the opposite. And so I think this

997
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 16: should be a case study of what not to do,

998
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 16: of where our system has failed, of how you have

999
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 16: political prosecutors at every level in New York State. Remember

1000
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 16: Letitia James also ran for Attorney general.

1001
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: I think we just lost Bill Jacobs and oh, you're there. Okay,

1002
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: we'll let you finish your comments and then we'll bring

1003
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: in Senator Mark or rub Anyway, let's go to Senator

1004
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: Mark or Rubio.

1005
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: I guess who is with us? Senator from the.

1006
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, apparently we have to redial Senator Rubio. Who's

1007
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: calling in? Let's go back to age of Arizona. Former

1008
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: AG Mark Bernovich is with us as well. And hearing

1009
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: all these comments, I mean, I'm getting pinged left and right,

1010
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: and the anger in the outrage is very palpable and

1011
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: very very real. And then I'm getting in a series

1012
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: of other texts, and as I, you know, slowly go

1013
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: through them, it's like, oh, the election may be a landslide.

1014
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: Now.

1015
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he has been able to literally transcend, or,

1016
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: as I've often been saying, he defies all conventional political gravity.

1017
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: You arrest Donald Trump, you indict Donald Trump, you get

1018
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: a mug shot of Donald Trump. You're reign Donald Trump

1019
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump. What happens as pull numbers go up?

1020
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: Maybe Bill O'Reilly was right. He said, yeah, maybe for

1021
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: a week or two, he might take a slight hit.

1022
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 2: Then they're going to go soaring again. And I would

1023
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: say that's probably a good prediction.

1024
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 12: Well, Sean, you've said this from the very start, that

1025
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 12: he defies all normal political gravity, all the laws of

1026
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 12: political physics. But you know one thing, one of the

1027
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 12: burnal laws is that there is the greatest sin in

1028
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 12: politics is hypocrisy. And I think the American people are smart.

1029
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 12: And when they see Hillary clin and you know, destroying servers,

1030
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 12: destroying evidence, you know, not being prosecuted for using her

1031
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 12: attorneys to create the Steele Dosier, when they see people

1032
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 12: like Joe Biden not being prosecuted for documents, and then

1033
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 12: Donald Trump does even less and he's being criminally prosecuted

1034
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 12: for and now possibly being sent to prison for the

1035
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 12: rest of his life. I mean, it's hypocrisy on full display.

1036
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 12: And I actually think this will help him in swing

1037
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 12: states and places like Arizona and Georgia, Pennsylvania. I mean,

1038
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 12: you know, they have a great libertarian spirit and there's

1039
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 12: a lot of healthy distrusted times for the government, and

1040
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 12: this is clearly government overreach, prostitul and his conduct. You

1041
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 12: and I have talked about this, that it will be overturned.

1042
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 12: There's so many issues, different legal theories, there's so many issues.

1043
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 12: It will be overturned on appeal. But I think the

1044
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 12: real question is, and I'm worried about, is I've always

1045
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 12: had this theory that this judge is a little bit

1046
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 12: like John Sirica from Waterty, and he fancies himself as

1047
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 12: a historical figure and that's why he's gonna, you know,

1048
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 12: he's to have other Trump related cases. He did the

1049
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 12: grand jury on this, and I actually think now that

1050
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 12: there's guilt on these counts, he's going to be the

1051
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 12: favorite at all the country clubs and all the cocktail

1052
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 12: parties in Manhattan. And I think normally you would not

1053
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 12: go to prison first time you offender, white collar book

1054
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 12: keeping case, there's no way anyone goes to prison or jail.

1055
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 12: But I actually think the normal rules of the justice

1056
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 12: system have been out the window, and I think the

1057
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 12: prosecutors are going to push for prison time. And I

1058
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 12: think this judge, even if it ends up being on

1059
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 12: from time. He may end up put President Trump in

1060
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 12: jailor prison to keep me from campaigning.

1061
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: Well, then he'd probably guarantees victory. In my view, you've

1062
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: been really great and generous with your time, Former Attorney General,

1063
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: great State of Arizona, Mark Burnovitch. We welcome now Florida

1064
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: Senator Marco Arrubio with us, by the way, proud to

1065
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: say my senator anyway, Senator, great to have you. Let's

1066
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: get your initial reaction all of this, and more importantly,

1067
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 2: the whole process leading up to this. I don't believe

1068
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: anybody that didn't have the name Donald Trump wouldever have

1069
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: been tried in a case like this a misdemeanor in

1070
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: New York City. Somehow they're able to charge them with

1071
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: federal election crime and up up charge that to a felony.

1072
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: This novel theory.

1073
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: A judge who I believe puts cinder blocks on the

1074
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: scales of justice repeatedly by allowing such such broad testimony

1075
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: that was immaterial, irrelevant, closing arguments that were inflammatory, not

1076
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: based on the law by the prosecution. It's just pretty

1077
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: unbelievable to me. And you know, based on the reaction

1078
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm getting from friends of mine it is. It is

1079
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: really really outraging so many people.

1080
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 5: Well a couple of points, just dispense with the political one.

1081
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 5: This is not going to hurt Donald Trump. I suspect

1082
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Speaker 5: it's going to help them because people see this for

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: what it is. But there's a second aspect, and this

1084
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: is a damage. This will do no damage to his candidacy,

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00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 5: it will help it, but it does tremendous damage to

1086
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 5: our country. This case is a complete travesty. Let's start

1087
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 5: with the fact that the charges are ridiculous. This is

1088
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 5: a bookkeeping matter, by the way, brought by a prosecutor

1089
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 5: who does not put violent criminals in jail. He does

1090
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 5: not prosecute violent criminals unless they've killed three people and

1091
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: it's three sept the time before he finally comes after them. Okay,

1092
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: but he goes after this ridiculous bookkeeping charge and then he,

1093
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 5: you know, he bootstraps it to a to a federal

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00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: campaign violation claim that they have no jurisdiction over and

1095
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 5: that the federal government did not pursuit. Then we learn

1096
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 5: on the line, I mean after closing argument, after the

1097
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 5: evidence is because then we see from the judge that

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00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 5: in addition to the federal campaign violations. They can also

1099
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: bootstrap it to some other charges, and he hasn't even

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 5: charged to it, which is some sort of tax charge

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00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 5: in the state of New York. That's what turns it

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00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 5: into a fellony. You have a judge, a judge who

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00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 5: openly supported Joe Biden. He was a Joe Biden voter

1104
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 5: and supporter in twenty twenty, so that's.

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 9: Who he was.

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Speaker 5: That's probably who he still is, whose daughter runs the

1107
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 5: campaign for Democrats and is out just selling merchandise on this.

1108
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 5: Then you have a jury that is selected from the

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 5: most liberal county in America. And by the way, you

1110
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 5: think a single juror there could have could have hung jury,

1111
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: that juror would have been outed and their life would

1112
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 5: have been a living hell. They would have had to

1113
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 5: leave Manhattan because these people will not have left that

1114
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 5: person alone. So the social pressure on the jurors was

1115
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: tremendous to just issue the guilty veris and walk away

1116
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: ridiculous guilty, ridiculous jury instructions. By the way, at the end,

1117
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 5: this whole thing is a complete and utter travesty, an

1118
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 5: unfair judge and unfair jury on ridiculous charges. Everybody seeses

1119
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 5: for what it is. This is a political prosecution, a

1120
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 5: show trial of the kind that they do did in

1121
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: the Soviet Union, they did in Cuba, and they do

1122
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 5: an authoritarian regions. Because these people will stop at nothing.

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00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 9: They are so.

1124
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 5: Deranged in their hatred of Trump and in their lust

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00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 5: for power. There is nothing they will not do, no institution,

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00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 5: they won't law, they won't bend, there's nothing they will

1127
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: not do to empower. They will do whatever it takes

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Speaker 5: to remain in power. And they're doing this to trub

1129
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: don't do this to anybody. He was the first target.

1130
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 5: But but I think you're going to see more and more

1131
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 5: of this in some of these jurisdics. And I am

1132
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 5: I'm both sad and angry for the country because our

1133
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 5: system of justice and our courts and what supposedly is

1134
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 5: you know, the landmark city of the country has just

1135
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 5: been used as a political weapon. And in the process,

1136
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 5: I think people all over the world I'm looking at

1137
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 5: this and saying, this is what's happened to America. America

1138
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 5: is turning into a Third world banana republic starting in

1139
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 5: New York. It's an outrage of epic proportions.

1140
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you know, based on your family

1141
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: and your history and your background and your life story,

1142
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: which is one of the most inspiring I've ever heard.

1143
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: And to hear you talk about a Banana republic and

1144
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: compare it to Cuba. You know, this is the type

1145
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: of thing that I would never expect in America, and

1146
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: that is the weaponization of our legal system, and it's

1147
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: we're now seeing it on steroids and human growth hormone.

1148
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: This was not a case that anybody else would would

1149
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: have ever been charged with. You have a judge is

1150
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: a Biden donor. The issues involving the daughter da that

1151
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: ran on a Get Trump platform. You know, you saw

1152
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: that the judge was so restrictive. You know, here's a

1153
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: guy Bob Costello would have impeached the testimony of their

1154
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: star witness. He was limited in what he could say.

1155
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: Bradley Smith, former FBC chair, I interviewed him Senator and

1156
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: he was very clear there was no violation. By the way,

1157
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: there was a violation for Hillary Clinton. People seem to

1158
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: have forgotten that, and I believe there were fines issued

1159
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: in that particular case. The even the weaponized DJ they

1160
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: passed on it. The FBC, no fine, the SDN Y

1161
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: Bragg's predecessor. Even Bragg himself initially didn't want to bring

1162
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: the case. But it took you know, two angry you

1163
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: know prosecutors that were brought in just for this purpose

1164
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: to embarrass him, to forget him to bring the case.

1165
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: Misdemeanor statute of limitations long past novel legal theory, allowing

1166
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, a city jurisdiction up charge of felony on

1167
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: a federal tax case and on a federal elections case.

1168
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: Tell me what part of the constitution allows that? Tell

1169
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: me what part of the constitution actually allows a judge

1170
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: to say, no, you can all agree on that he's guilty,

1171
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: But have you know four of you can agree it's

1172
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: guilty on charge A. Four can agree on charge B,

1173
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: four can agree on charge C. Well, that's in direct

1174
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: contradiction to the twenty twenty Ramos versus Louisiana decision. Well,

1175
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: the Andreas versus Us decision where the Supreme Court held

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: unanimity and jury verdicts is required under the sixth and

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01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: seventh Amendments to our Constitution. That requirement extends to all issues.

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: To find someone guilty, jurors must always agree, always without dissent,

1179
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: on every necessary element of the purported crime and indefensible

1180
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: feature of jury trial.

1181
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: Senator, Yes, it's that's just.

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 5: From the jury, which is why they picked New York

1183
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 5: to bring it as much as anything else. While they

1184
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 5: were so giddy about it. This is a county where

1185
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 5: eight out of ten people, over eight out of ten

1186
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 5: people voted against Donald Trump.

1187
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 8: So you start off with a jury pool that's.

1188
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: Likelier than not to be just anti Trump, unable to

1189
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 5: pull this to put it society, begin with, you have

1190
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 5: a judge that basically steered the case at every opportunity,

1191
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 5: at every opportunity, steered the case towards convictions. The jury

1192
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 5: instructions were outrageous. They were outrageous jury instructions, but basically said,

1193
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 5: just pick a crime. Here are three crimes you can

1194
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 5: pick from. If you find them guilty. You don't all

1195
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 5: have to agree on all three of them. You can

1196
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 5: each have a different one, but ultimately one of these three,

1197
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 5: if you find it guilty, this becomes a felony. Then

1198
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 5: the evidence that was introduced into the drawal where they

1199
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 5: didn't allow the expert testimony on the thing that makes

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 5: this a felony, which is initially was supposed to be

1201
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 5: simply the crime of the elections violence. And now we

1202
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 5: don't know this New York tax thing came into play,

1203
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: which wasn't even charges, that wasn't even talked about in

1204
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: the case. There was no there was no opportunity for

1205
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 5: the defense. It was a complete trick paid played by

1206
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 5: the judge in conjunction with the prosecutors to not even

1207
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 5: discuss the fact that one of the clients they could

1208
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 5: use to turn this into a felony is some sort

1209
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 5: of tax charge in the state of New York. And

1210
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 5: they didn't even discuss that. Nobody even mentioned that until

1211
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: the jury instructions. You're supposed to at least know what

1212
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: you're defending yourself against. So I mean, you can go

1213
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 5: down the list. Look, voters, average Americans every day are

1214
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 5: going to say he's been convicted of why him writing

1215
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 5: a check? With the political aspect is this is going

1216
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 5: to confirm to people what they already know. You have

1217
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 5: a president Joe Biden, who is seen now, who's rapidly declining,

1218
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 5: but he has become sort of the cutout for this

1219
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 5: radical left. For them, he's the perfect candidate. He didn't

1220
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 5: know what the heck is going on. They can do

1221
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 5: whatever they want and run the country to where they

1222
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: want to run it. And they desperately want to keep

1223
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 5: Trump out of office. And this does not happen in

1224
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 5: the vacuum. This is on the heels of not This

1225
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 5: is on the heels of all those months and years

1226
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 5: we spent they spent trying to prove that Trump colluded

1227
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 5: with the Russians, then one impeachment, then a second impeachment,

1228
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 5: and now for indictments. Plus don't forget the civil case

1229
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 5: where where they're trying to bankrupt this company. So all

1230
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: of these things all designed for one thing, and that

1231
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: is they are. They are desperate to remain in power

1232
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 5: and trying to just qualify Trump in any way possible.

1233
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 5: Voters are going to see that. Look, I still have faith,

1234
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 5: Maybe I shouldn't that this thing is so full of

1235
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 5: error that an appeal to court will fill this thing

1236
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 5: on a tier. There might even be some federal constitutional

1237
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 5: grounds on some of the violations here. But you know

1238
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 5: what's really angry, And I happened the TV was on

1239
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: where I was on CNN as the verdicts were read.

1240
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 5: You literally hurt someone on the set sort of cheer like, yes,

1241
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 5: this is what we are dealing with. This is a

1242
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,479
Speaker 5: Roman circuit. It's what they've turned this justice system into

1243
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 5: in New York. And I hope voters, I know voters.

1244
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 5: I can't wait till November where voters get to sneak

1245
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 5: out on this and and and and then uh and

1246
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 5: see their reaction to that. I'm sure they'll have something.

1247
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you one last question, what do you

1248
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: how do you think the country and and voters will

1249
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 2: react to this.

1250
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 5: I think with even people that don't like Trump with outrage.

1251
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 6: This is absurd.

1252
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 5: I'm and this is ridiculous. And I think what the

1253
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 5: adding insult to injury here is we are talking about

1254
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 5: a jurisdiction and a prosecutor or shoplifters and people that

1255
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 5: are accused of violent crimes are not prosecuted. They drop

1256
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 5: charges against people that are guilty of violent crimes, they

1257
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 5: don't even pursue them. And look at all the amount

1258
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 5: of money and time and effort they put into a

1259
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 5: book keeping case about whether or not some ledger appropriately

1260
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 5: listed some payment to coin. By the way, bil entirely

1261
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 5: on the testimony of a serial liar, an habitual liar,

1262
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 5: and admitted liar, a convicted liar, It's just unbelievable. I

1263
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 5: never ever thought, no matter how liberal and how far left,

1264
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 5: these jurisdictions have become like in your I never thought

1265
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 5: I'd lived to see the day that in America something

1266
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 5: like what happened today has happened. And you know, I

1267
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 5: have hope in two things, that the Apollo system might work.

1268
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 5: We'll see it's New York, and that our voters in

1269
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 5: November are going to render the real verdict here. But

1270
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 5: this is a terrible day, will not It's sadly it

1271
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 5: helps Donald Trump and that he's had to go through this.

1272
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 5: This is a guy that doesn't need any of this.

1273
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 5: By the way, he could have been often joying his

1274
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 5: money like all these other people do. But he's doing

1275
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 5: it because he loves the country. But it's a sad

1276
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 5: day for America because we have now seen how the

1277
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 5: criminal justice system can be weaponized to try to steer

1278
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 5: in their minds the outcome of an election.

1279
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you being with us, Senator Mark or Rubio.

1280
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't get out of New York. I

1281
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: just I've been You've known him for years. I told

1282
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: you I was coming down here. It just was a

1283
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: matter of when I could do it, and I was

1284
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: finally able to do it, and.

1285
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't get out. I got out just in

1286
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: the nick of time. I don't know.

1287
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: It's so sad for our country in so many different respects,

1288
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: and I know the left will be celebrating. There's nothing

1289
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: to celebrate here, because what you're watching is the shredding

1290
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: of our constitution as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, Senator,

1291
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: we do appreciate you being with us.

1292
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1293
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: We'll be talking to you, I'm sure in the days

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Speaker 2: and weeks ahead. Eight hundred and nine four one, Shawn,

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Speaker 2: we might get to a couple of calls here if

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Speaker 2: we can. Let me go to if I can to

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Speaker 2: Kully Stimpson, former Assistant US Attorney for DC, senior legal

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Speaker 2: fellow at Heritage. And we continue too with William Jacobson,

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Speaker 2: Cornell University law professor Colly. Let's get your take on this.

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Speaker 2: If you don't mind your initial reaction to this.

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Speaker 17: Well, I agree with Senator Rubio. I mean this unleashes

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Speaker 17: the Kraken. I mean we have twenty three hundred elected

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Speaker 17: dias in this country, seventy four of whom were bought

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Speaker 17: and paid for by Soros and one of them, Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 17: ran on nailing Trump. And this is why we've been

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Speaker 17: warning people since twenty eighteen about these rogue prosecutors. And

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Speaker 17: he got what he wanted, this made up ham handed prosecution,

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Speaker 17: which you've laid out very well. Not only all the

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Speaker 17: appellate issues that will that should result in this over

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Speaker 17: being overturned. But now, what's to prevent a Republican prosecutor

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Speaker 17: who has an evil mind like Alvin Bragg for going

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Speaker 17: after Joe Biden or any other person in the future

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Speaker 17: for some made up crime. Nothing. And I think this

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Speaker 17: rubicon has been crossed, and I think it's a sad

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Speaker 17: day in America.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we just got some new information. Sentencing

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Speaker 2: hearings starts on July eleventh. Oh how convenient. The RNC

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Speaker 2: convention starts July fifteenth. Will he ultimately be released on

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Speaker 2: his own recognisance? Will he be under house arrest? Basically,

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Speaker 2: will he even be allowed to attend his own convention?

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Speaker 2: Will he be allowed to campaign or will he have

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Speaker 2: to be doing that virtually pending appeal? Pretty amazing circumstances

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Speaker 2: in which we're living here. Anyway, Let's go back to

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Speaker 2: Bill Jacobson what do you think of the issue of

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Speaker 2: what this judge is going to do here? The judge

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Speaker 2: has a lot of latitude in this case, and I

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Speaker 2: have zero faith and Judge Juan Mershawn.

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Speaker 16: If this were a normal case, nonviolent defender, first time offender,

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Speaker 16: books and records violations, it would be a no brainer.

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Speaker 16: You get probation or you get some sort of deferral

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Speaker 16: service and then it gets wiped out. But I have

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Speaker 16: no confidence that is what will happen here. I would

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Speaker 16: not be the least bit surprised if this judge sentences

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Speaker 16: Donald Trump to prison time how much, I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I think that should be our operative assumption until we

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Speaker 16: find out differently, we should assume the worst because we've

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Speaker 16: had the worst in this case. So I think everybody

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Speaker 16: needs to go on the assumption that this judge is

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Speaker 16: going to sentence Donald Trump to prison time. The question

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Speaker 16: would be when does it start to be served. If

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Speaker 16: this were a normal case, you would await the appeals process. Again,

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Speaker 16: you don't have a violent felon, nobody who poses.

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Speaker 2: A threat first time offender. You don't have a violent fellow,

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Speaker 2: then you've got to be kidding me, and you have

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Speaker 2: a presidential candidate who's going to literally be benched in

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Speaker 2: the middle of a campaign. Listen, if they do do that,

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Speaker 2: which is a strong possibility based on the actions of

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Speaker 2: this judge up to this point, I think all of

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Speaker 2: it's on the table anyway, Professor Phil Jacobson, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Cully Stimpson, thank you. I'm going to go to calls

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Speaker 2: real quick in the time we have remaining, eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and nine to four one. I know so many of

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Speaker 2: you want to react to this. Just try and make

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: your comments quick, and I'm not trying to be rude.

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Speaker 2: John Free, State of Florida, John Quick reaction.

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Speaker 9: Yes, sir, I want to tell you something, Sean. This

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 9: is the danger you escape New York. But their policies

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 9: are reaching out to the whole country, destroying our constitution

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Speaker 9: and our rights to vote. And then the other thing

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Speaker 9: I wanted to point out is that every time you've

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Speaker 9: heard the phrase novel, legal theory or novel action that

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 9: the government has done against Trump, it's all not replaced

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 9: novel with bogus and fabricated and invented against him, and

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Speaker 9: and always carry that out. And that's what they've done

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 9: ever since he went down the escalator They've attacked him

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Speaker 9: on everything. And just think about all of the presidents

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Speaker 9: who got all their documents for the presidential libraries to

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Speaker 9: collect them after they left office, except for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 9: That's all I want to leave you all. Wake up, America.

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Speaker 9: They are serious about not letting us vote.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan in the Free State of Texas next on the

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Speaker 2: Sean Hannity Show, Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 9: Great?

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Speaker 11: How are you certain?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a sad day for our country. I

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: think this has been, you know, nothing but a show trial.

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Speaker 2: I think they, you know, it's it's been fixed from

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Speaker 2: day one with the selection of Mershawn. And I think

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Speaker 2: once this case went south for the prosecution, he jumped

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Speaker 2: in with, you know, one one life preserver after another

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01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 2: to save it. And and hence we've been pointing that

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Speaker 2: out for days now.

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Speaker 11: I totally agree. And I thought that the law was

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Speaker 11: supposed to be rather black and white with a clear rule,

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Speaker 11: and uh, the judge had no right whatsoever to change

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Speaker 11: the rules. In fact, I thought that was a criminal

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Speaker 11: action for a judge to do. And I don't know

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Speaker 11: how it's.

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Speaker 2: Certainly it's certainly unconstitutional. I do think that there they

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: are certainly investigative grounds for the Jenfer Alvin Bragg in

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Speaker 2: this case, which I've gone over and I won't repeat now,

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Speaker 2: but go ahead.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I do think it needs looked into intently by

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 11: because no person's an island in this country that can

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Speaker 11: set their own rules for things. But it just reminds

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Speaker 11: me politically of I'm sure you're familiar with that Mel

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 11: Gibson movie We Were Soldiers. There's one point in that

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Speaker 11: movie where he called out book broken arrow. Well, that

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01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 11: arrow is broken, and if Republican Party and the people

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 11: don't wake up and change something, you can kiss it

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Speaker 11: good back, because I mean, it's it's broken.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you where the real verdict will be reached.

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: And the President referred to this in his remarks and

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Speaker 2: that that real verdict will take place on November the fifth,

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: and that's when you, the American people, you get a

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Speaker 2: chance to weigh in. Jonathan, thank you, And I want

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Speaker 2: to just I want to just stop and focus on

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 2: this for a second here and just just reading text

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01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: mess from close friends and you know, just absorbing what

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01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: they're saying and the outrage and the anger and in

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: many cases shock, and you know, in many cases people

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01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: asking what you can do. I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: what the answer is, and Donald Trump referred to it,

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: and that is the real verdict is on November the fifth,

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 2: no matter what the result of this is. And I

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01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: said this from the beginning, that no verdict would surprise me.

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: I said he wouldn't get a fair trial in New York.

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,839
Speaker 2: We saw that in the civil case eighteen million dollar valuation,

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Speaker 2: a case about valuations, and mar A Lago, which is

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Speaker 2: closer to a billion, maybe more. And I've gone through

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: the real estate issues in Palm Beach, Florida. They're insane

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: for the type of property. Donald Trump has a two

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: acre parcel lands to nearly two hundred million dollars, but

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01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 2: no mar A Lago twenty two acres, all the bedrooms

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01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: and bathrooms you can ever dream of, pristine condition, intercoastal

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01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: and the ocean. Two clubs associated with it. Historic property.

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 2: Now it's only worth eighteen and they stuck to that.

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: So there was never a chance. And I always had

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Speaker 2: that nagging feeling with me, no matter what I thought.

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 2: After the gutting a cone, okay, the odds are good.

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: And then Judge Mershawan he had to come in with

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Speaker 2: the cinder blocks on the scales of justice.

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Speaker 1: That's how I view it.

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Speaker 2: But with all of that said, you know, I want

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: all of you to remember how you're feeling at this moment,

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: all of the emotions that may be racing through you.

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: And you worry about the future of your country, You

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: worry about the rule of law, you worry about our constitution.

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: By the way, all legitimate things to worry about. This

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't happen to anybody except for Donald Trump. Nobody else

1442
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 2: would be charged with this. This is a city where

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: you're on videotape beating it living Adam Schiff out of

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: cops and you got to slap on the wrist. This

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: is where you can get arrested for you know, for

1446
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: violent crimes and you're released in hours, no bell. And

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, look at what has happened to the rule

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: of law. This is weaponization of our justice system. This

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 2: is what we've been warning you about. This is what

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: law fair is, This is what we have been defining

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01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: for you. It really is no surprise to me here,

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01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: I know there is for many of you. I followed

1453
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 2: this too closely, and I saw the handwriting on the wall.

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: I've been through all the conflicts of interest. I've been

1455
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 2: through all the reasons the judge should have been recused.

1456
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: I've been through all of the improprieties. I believe in

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: terms of the law and this judge, all the reversible

1458
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: errors in this case that will be brought up on appeal.

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 2: I have zero, zero, zero doubt that this will be

1460
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: overturned on appeal. The question is will the appeal come

1461
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: after the election? Before the election. The other question is

1462
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,839
Speaker 2: going to be will Donald Trump be allowed to campaign?

1463
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 2: Will he be allowed? Okay, four days before the convention,

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01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: they're going to have the verdict phase of this trial

1465
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: begin on July eleventh, the conventions the fifteenth. Will Donald

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Trump be allowed to go? You know, in most cases

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: his first defender nonviolent crime. You're released on your own recognisance,

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Speaker 2: pending appeal. If you're a violent if you caught an

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Speaker 2: act of violence in New York City, guess what, well,

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: you just let out with no bail. Welcome, Welcome to

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01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: the sick world of unequal justice under the law. There's

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Speaker 2: a danger to our constitutional republic. Alan Dershwitz warned of

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: this that if it came back guilty, or it came

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: back even a hung jury, He said this law fair

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: is going to continue, and it's only going to get worse.

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01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: It's only giving the time of my year, Linda, because

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: I have it. It's only going to get It's only

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01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: going to get worse. Thank you, and you know, but

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01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: you do have a remedy, and this is what I

1480
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: want to focus on. Your remedy is your right to vote.

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01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: I've said to everybody, overcome your reluctance or resistance to

1482
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: voting early, because you don't want to start an election

1483
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 2: day down hundreds of thousands of votes. You know, Republicans

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 2: need to adopt match and surpass, you know, legal ballot

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01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: harvesting efforts at Democrats. We'll have full coverage of all

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Speaker 2: of this tonight on Hannity. God blessed us, great country.

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Speaker 2: We need God's help