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Speaker 1: of the ambustion Niger of the Green Berets the hands

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Speaker 1: So I wrote a letter, a letter, you know, letter

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm forty two, and as soon as I get

429
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Speaker 1: on the phone with anyone in the band, it takes

430
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds before we're calling each other names. I mean,

431
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: that's just the way guys communicate. So m so the

432
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: way that the media kind of reacts to things that

433
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: could be either opinions they don't like or people saying

434
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: something to get a reaction, it's really overblown and and

435
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: politically nowadays, Uh, standing up for the Second Amendment is

436
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: not popular. I think fact, I think through the video

437
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: that I that I did and I didn't say anything

438
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: that was I didn't think that I said anything that

439
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: was inflammatory. Um I said I thought that I was.

440
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: I was simply relating things that whether the listener likes

441
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: it or not. These are things that are true. If

442
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of semiautos, you're gonna have

443
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: to go ahead and amend the Constitution. That's all there

444
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: is to it. Otherwise you're just gonna be looking to

445
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: looking to affect cosmetic features. I don't think that anyone

446
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: that's that's actually trying to write legislation has any idea

447
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: what the difference between a blowback handgun semiauto and a

448
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: semiauto gas operated rifle. They don't understand the nuances of

449
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, so you're not gonna get effective legislation,

450
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: which is another point that I made. And and and

451
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: of course there were the people that have a different

452
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: political opinion. We're you know, bringing down hell on me

453
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: as much as they could, because they just filled I

454
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: mean I could I could say the sky is blue,

455
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: and they would split hairs about whether it's blue or

456
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: or teal or whatever. Um. But I think that the

457
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: people that actually listen to what I said really understood

458
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: that it wasn't as simple as let's just band guns,

459
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: even though that's the loudest cry. But the difficulties and

460
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: the complexities of the ideas let's band guns are so deep,

461
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: and the resistance that people that say that we'll get

462
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: from people that don't want to ban guns or at

463
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: least want to have a positive effect in the context

464
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: of how do we reduce soft target attacks? Uh that

465
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: that any any kind of of disagreement with with people

466
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: that are looking to band guns. They just think that

467
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: you're They just frame you as a bad person who's

468
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: malicious and evil and has no caring and blah blah

469
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So it's tough, it's frustrating. Phil Do

470
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: you feel that there's because this is a world I

471
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about, do you feel that in

472
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: the metal world there is some sort of effort like

473
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: social engineering like you brought up game or gait, like

474
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: they are pushing some kind of or there's there is

475
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: a push for some sort of political agenda. I wouldn't

476
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: say that it's in the metal world. I would say

477
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: that it's in media. I understand, gotcha. Well, you know,

478
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: you know what's funny. I could tell you this film

479
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and I know that you know him. Like another guy

480
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: in the metal world that I'm actually friends with, like

481
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: in real life is Frankie Palmary from Amure and both

482
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: of you guys. Frank is a great dude, even though

483
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: and the thing is, you and him get more shipped

484
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: on like Metal Injection and all these sites than anyone

485
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I know for being two guys in the metal world

486
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: that are just not PC and for some reason, like

487
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: that's become not okay to to be politically incorrect in

488
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: the metal world with with some with some of the

489
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: some of the the more I guess political sites. Yeah, um,

490
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I I'm not the guy that's going to back down.

491
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just not the guy that's gonna say, Okay,

492
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: you're right if I don't think you're right. And it's frustrating,

493
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's tough, and I take a lot of heat.

494
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: And there's a there's a significant possibility that some you know,

495
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: some bands or some some promoters are like, oh, I

496
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to put all the remains

497
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: on there because Phil likes this, or or it might

498
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: bring a bad headline. But I don't see how much.

499
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't see that I have a whole lot of

500
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: room to do anything else. The the outrage culture kind

501
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: of happened around me. I mean, I was I've been

502
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: pretty much the same guy were had similar opinions for

503
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years, longer most of my adult life, and

504
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: U only in the past five or six has it

505
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: become If you say your opinion and your opinion is

506
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: the incorrect one, people are gonna come after you. More

507
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: than just being like I don't like that guy or

508
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't like this. They're gonna do their best to

509
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: go after your job and go after your You're the

510
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: way you make make a living. And the some of

511
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: the metal blogs are are real the uh really doing.

512
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: They have done their best to do what they can

513
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: to hurt me because you know, hurt my my ability

514
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: to make money because of the because of the the

515
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: political opinions I have. That's kind of sad, I mean,

516
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: especially when we're watching you know, music videos that are

517
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: pretty nonpartisan. Yeah, and it's it's also kind of bullshit

518
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: that like there's bands out there like Profits of Rage

519
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: that you know, are obviously left left wing and they

520
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: don't see the same type of blowback, like and you

521
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: tore plenty of parts of the country that that are

522
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: more libertarian or right wing and share your values, and like,

523
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: why is it not okay to appeal to that you know, well,

524
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: anytime someone talks about bands that have socialist opinions, Uh,

525
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: it drives me nuts. Because socialism is communism, socialism, Marxism,

526
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: it's no better than not is um killed a hundred

527
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: million people in twentieth century. And the the idea that

528
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you can get away with apologizing for an ideology that

529
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: has such a a horrifying uh track wress, it just

530
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: boggles my mind. I don't see why there are people

531
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: out there that say it is okay to be a

532
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: communist with with that kind of just murderous rampation about

533
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. But for some reason it is. And

534
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: maybe it's because it sounds nice, but I just don't

535
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, that hypocrisy there in the lack of

536
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: historical understanding, you know, the legacy of communism. Go and

537
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: talk to somebody from like Lithuania or Estonia about how

538
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: great communism is and you're liable to get punched in

539
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: the face. Guys, the guitar player from Five Finger Death

540
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Death punches old. He moved to the the States when

541
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: he was a teenager after the fall of communism, and

542
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: he didn't speak any English. The guy's a multimillionaire rock

543
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: star and between me and you and the listeners and stuff.

544
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: From what I hear, he was successful in another field

545
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: before he became a rock star. So this guy is

546
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: like the epitome of the American dream. And he came

547
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: from a communist country and he had nothing but terrible

548
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: things to say about communists. Nothing the terrible things to say.

549
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are enjoying this interview with Phil

550
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Labanti from all that remains, great, dude, And I know

551
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: that this is a little different than what we normally do,

552
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,080
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553
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640
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554
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,360
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556
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557
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Speaker 1: all that remains. Yeah, and then there's plenty of people

582
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: out there like that, you know, getting back into the

583
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: gun control debate thing. I wanted to play this while

584
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Phil was on. We usually play all the emails and

585
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: voice memos before the show, before the interview, I should say,

586
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: but one of our regular listeners, Old pH two, had

587
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of rant on the gun control topics,

588
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: so I figured I'd play it. Get everybody's reaction, and

589
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: including Phil here Okayan and Jack Um. You know, everybody's

590
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: talking about the whole issue with gun control and keeping

591
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: children from being killed in schools, and it's an important topic.

592
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: But you know, it really goes a lot deeper than

593
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: just mental health or gun can troll. I think this

594
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: is our society at a whole needs to examine itself.

595
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you take a look at the death of

596
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the nuclear family, and yeah, I know I've got a

597
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: lot of people that are gonna I know a lot

598
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be pissed that I say this,

599
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: But honestly, you know, the children need an example of

600
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: what adults are supposed to act. Like the best examples

601
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: in the home, and the problem with having people at

602
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: home it goes back to the manipulation of our currency.

603
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: We don't have the buying power that we had you

604
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: know when my father was raising us, uh, you know,

605
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: forty fifty years ago, and quite honestly, you know, we

606
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: need two incomes to raise our children. Will to have

607
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: two incomes, both parents must be working, and then they

608
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: put their child in daycare. Someone else raises the child

609
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: with their values, and then we get back to the

610
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: daycare and school. You know, there's a distinct lack of discipline.

611
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you have problem children, you either drug them

612
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: into a stupor or you just expel them because you

613
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: can't deal with them. You know what happened to corporal punishment.

614
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you know, kids need to

615
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: know that there's consequences for their actions. You know, a

616
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: little fist fight out on the playground, as long as

617
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: it's dealt with reasonably and the kids don't get out

618
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: of hand, there's nothing wrong with that. You say something stupid,

619
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: you get a fat lip. That's the way the world works.

620
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: And the sooner we as Americans understand that we've dumbed

621
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: everything down, We've settled for less, We've gone the path

622
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: of least resistance. This is the problem. Sometimes doing the

623
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: hard thing isn't easy, but it's worth the effort, and

624
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: the the final product speaks for its self. I mean

625
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: gun control. Yeah, we need to change some things, yes,

626
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: but it's not just gun control, and it's not just

627
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: mental health. We need to look at ourselves top to bottom.

628
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Are we willing to spend the time, the money, the

629
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: effort on education, on giving ourselves a living wage. I mean,

630
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm as conservative as the next guy, but there's some

631
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: ship that we need to get right, and we're just

632
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: playing not doing it. I don't have an answer, and

633
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: I know you guys don't either, but this is part

634
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: of what we got to deal with. And until people

635
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: talk about every one of these issues, they're not really

636
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: being genuine in their concern. And I refused to even

637
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: talk about it to anyone who isn't willing to talk

638
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: about every free issue that's involved because there's not a

639
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: solution otherwise. Hey, thanks, he and talk to you later.

640
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: All right, there was old pH two. Well, I'll let

641
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Phil go first. He's our guests. Well, I think that

642
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: he's He's probably got a lot of there. There's a

643
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: lot of things that I think that I would agree

644
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: with them on. Um. I do think that the the

645
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: culture in the US is really not focused on the family.

646
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: I think that he's right about the breakdown of of

647
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: the nuclear family. I think that he's right about the

648
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: shipping your kids off to school. And I think that

649
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: he's right about the Federal Reserve because of the hidden

650
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: taxes that are in inflation and in the printing of money.

651
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: I think that he's right about I think that he's

652
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: right about a lot of things. I think that there's

653
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: probably more than likely, in my opinion, there's more to

654
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: the situation then he's just then he's referring to, But

655
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: he did. He does sound like he's interested in covering

656
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: the whole basically as many vectors as he can to

657
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: come to the route of the problem. I don't think

658
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: the route of the problem is that there is an

659
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: increase in gun violence. I do think that there's probably

660
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: more mass shootings that are that are a spectacle than

661
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: there were historically. But I think that that's part of

662
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: the reason. Part of the reason that for that is

663
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: because of the fact that um information travels so fast

664
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: now and uh you can have a camera crew and

665
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: be getting live photos before any incident is over most times,

666
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: or or directly as soon as it finishes right away

667
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: and be reporting on. And the the old adage if

668
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: it leads, if it leads, it leads, I think is true.

669
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: So I I don't think that he's off off the

670
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: mark at all. And I think the conversations that he's

671
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: looking to have are are are important, and I think

672
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: that's he's on the right track personally. Yeah, I think

673
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: so overall. I mean, I don't want to be one

674
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: of those people that I think he's absolutely right in

675
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: pointing out that it's a multiple different vectors that play

676
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: into it. It's not just one issue like un control. Um,

677
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want to say, like, oh, the

678
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: problem is that we have women working today or something

679
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: like that. I don't think he don't know. I don't

680
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: think that was his point. Um. I think that there

681
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: is something true though, that there is some breakdown in

682
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: the family and the family structure, in the social structure, um,

683
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: that leads to that stuff. And I mean we see

684
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: these cases where school shooters, like some guy or some

685
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: kid and they like kill their mom or dad first

686
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: and take the guns. I mean, like shooting your mom

687
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: twenty times and stealing her guns. I mean, come on, dude,

688
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: there's more a play here just the just the guns.

689
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some mental health issues. There's all kinds

690
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: of different things happening there, and um, you know, we

691
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about how to end school shootings

692
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: on a previous podcast or how you can take some steps,

693
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: and um, you know I mentioned how it's like highway

694
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: safety or fire safety, like we did like a dozen

695
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: different things to try to fix that problem. And I

696
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: think it's you know, definitely he's onto something there about

697
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, socially we have to look at each at ourselves, um,

698
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. Yeah, I agree, I agree with

699
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: both of you. Um. So I was also going to

700
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: ask Phil what is all that remains currently up to

701
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Like I didn't mention it on this on the show yet,

702
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: but you know you were doing some work filling in

703
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: for five Finger Death Punch and also kill Switch Engage. Right, Yeah,

704
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: that kill Switch tour was a while ago. But apparently

705
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that you call in the middle of

706
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: the night we need someone to screen for your band,

707
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: both of them. Both the times that I I was

708
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: asked to to fill in it was it was a

709
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: phone call in the middle of the night saying, hey,

710
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: what are you doing tomorrow? Can you get on an airplane? Um?

711
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: And thankfully, you know, I've been I've been fortunate enough

712
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: to be in positions when when my friends called and say, hey,

713
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: can you help us out? I've been I've been able

714
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: to give my hand and that's a that's just really awesome.

715
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: It's a it's a great thing to be able to do,

716
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to get flattering that people will call you even ask um.

717
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: It's flattering when you hear people tell you if you

718
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: get did a good job and stuff. So you know,

719
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: and and it's always cool to be able to help

720
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: out friends. I mean, I've known the guys in kill

721
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Switch for over twenty years and the guys in Five

722
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: Finger for well over ten. Uh. I mean all that

723
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: remains I think our Death Munches first show ever, All

724
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: that Remains was playing. It was a show in l

725
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: A with I think Dragging Forces headline was like first before.

726
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: And I knew Ivan before he even joined Five Finger,

727
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: because I we had all the remains are toured with,

728
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: toured with um. Motivraator was the band that he was.

729
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: That's from that's from yeah, like the end of the

730
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: New Medal era. I feel like, yeah, yeah, we went

731
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: on tour with Motigraator and I tell you what that band.

732
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: Every single night they were traveling in a van, two

733
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: at at time, and every single night they did put

734
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: on all that team and then you know, pick it

735
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: off and we weren't playing places that had showers. You know,

736
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: we were playing dirty, dingy little places in two thousand five,

737
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: and that's got to be gross. It was it was.

738
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I I admired their commitment to their look. I think

739
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: it's the nicest way to say that, which is funny,

740
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: because you have no look, like you're just a regular

741
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: dude wearing whatever you happen to be wearing that day.

742
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of the way that we do.

743
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean that was to me. When I grew up,

744
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to death metal and underground music, and

745
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: it was never about like the show was the show,

746
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: and that was the show, was the people play, that

747
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: was it. We we the bands that I really wanted

748
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: to see when I was a teenager, not not a

749
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: young teenager, because I was into Metallica and they they

750
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: had always had had put on big shows and had

751
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: lights and stuff. But the shows that I cared to

752
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: see when I was eighteen nineteen, they were in dingy

753
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: clubs and the lighting was maybe there, maybe you'd get

754
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: the backlighting to make the guys on stage look more evil,

755
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: but that was about it, and so the show would

756
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: get done and you know, the guys were standing around

757
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: in the exact name sneakers and genes that I was wearing,

758
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: or we have you know, same T shirt or whatever.

759
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: But it was it was. It wasn't about putting on airs.

760
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't about trying to separate the perform from the audience.

761
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: In fact, I think that that might be a little

762
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: bit of influence from the hardcore scene that we had

763
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: in in uh New England as well. Uh nobody wanted

764
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: to nobody wanted anyone else to think that you thought

765
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: you were a rock star. That was the worst thing.

766
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: Like if you if you're in a band and you

767
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: walked around and you put and you acted like you

768
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: were better than someone else, we would care you. A

769
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: part of you would the ostracize, you would be you

770
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: would you'd you'd end up because we all knew each

771
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: other because so every Sunday night we were going to

772
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: the same club. Didn't matter what bands were playing, it

773
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: was just the that was where shows happened, and that's

774
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: where where people hung out. So if you acted like

775
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: you were like your like your ship didn't stink. It

776
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: only took a couple of weeks before people were like,

777
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: screw that guy, and then you've got no one to

778
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: hang out with. You've got nobody to if you want

779
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to find band members. Nobody wants to be in your

780
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: band because you think you're a rock star. And so

781
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: for me that that's that's always kind of the way

782
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: that I've been with with all that remains. As much

783
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: as people will will get an impression from reading things

784
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: or whatever, but if you sit down and talk to me,

785
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy that thinks that I deserve special

786
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: treatment because I yell at a stick for a living.

787
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: So what is what is all that remains? Currently? Up toil,

788
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: we're writing some new stuff. This year's our twentieth anniversary. Yeah,

789
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: I started all the remains of fall of So either

790
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: later this year or next year, we're gonna have something

791
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: some kind of celebration of our anniversary. Um, and we're

792
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: putting it together now. I'm not sure about the details.

793
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: There will be some kind of new music, Um, there

794
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: will be, well, they'll they'll be a good amount of

795
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: new music. UM. There's gonna be some stuff that's probably

796
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna gonna hearken back to the old days. UM a

797
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: little bit for the for the old timers, and and

798
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: of course we'll have you know, stuff for some of

799
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: the newer fans too, but we're trying to put together

800
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: some special stuff. It's not every I mean, obviously not

801
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: every day is the twenties anniversary, but it's so rare

802
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: for a band to be able to say, yeah, we've

803
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: been doing this for two decades, and throwing the fact

804
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: that All the Remains has been doing it through two

805
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: decades where the music industry has gone through more changes

806
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: than the previous probably hundred years. So it's it's something

807
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: that we're really we're really really proud of, and it's

808
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: something that we're excited to do something special for the

809
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: other mains fans and everyone that stuck by us for

810
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: a for as long as they have. That's awesome, dude.

811
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: And then I should throw out there you're doing a

812
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Patreon where you're doing um kind of exclusive content for

813
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: people who subscribe to that and some really cool rewards.

814
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: Um as I know you've been posting a lot of

815
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: like workout videos because Phil has gotten huge. Although Phil

816
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: is very short, but it feels like a nick irving

817
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: body type. I would say, I don't know abow very short,

818
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: very short, started like five four. I'm five seven five

819
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: six fives evans, So I'm sure, but I'm not. That's

820
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: like Nick Irving right like he's about he's about that.

821
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: And Nick Irving is also a massive, dude. Well I don't.

822
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm not massive yet. The most I've been able to

823
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: get up to is like one seventy and right now

824
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm clocking in it about one. So I'm really

825
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: but I'm really lean right now. So I'm pretty pleased

826
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: with my results. Oh and you know what else I

827
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: should ask before we wrap this up, since we were

828
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: talking about shot Show before, what was your reaction a

829
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: shot Show? Because I know for you, Jack, you're every

830
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: year you're like, okay, I feel like I was seeing

831
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: the same stuff. Was there anything that that stood out

832
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: to you? To me personally, there was nothing that really,

833
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody was excited to see the Hudson that

834
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: that striker fire that is the Hudson. Hudson nine millimeter

835
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: is that what it's called. I'm looking at Jack if

836
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: he has any idea. I don't know. No, I don't remember.

837
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean I might, I might have the name wrong.

838
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: It's a nine millimeter that Striker fire. But it looks

839
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: like the nineteen eleven kind. Um they had that team

840
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: to be making making a bunch of noise. But I

841
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't hear about any new products or anything that was

842
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and made the gun world stand up.

843
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, no one came out with It's not like

844
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: the year that Sig came out with the bracery. Any

845
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: cool stories from shot show of just like people you

846
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: ran into. Um. I got a buddy, Josh Coburn that

847
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: works for Brown Els. It was nice to see him.

848
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: We we talked about doing some stuff with my YouTube

849
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: channel and Brown Owls and U. Um, there wasn't a

850
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: whole time going on, honestly. I mean I got to

851
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: to see uh, Matt and j T from Article fifteen

852
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: and I did their podcast and um there. Yeah, there

853
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot that that I really got into

854
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: this year. It was. It was a significantly slower pace

855
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: this year than than previous years for me. I made

856
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: it to the floor a couple of times and walked

857
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: around and checked some stuff out, but it was it

858
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: was definitely a a low key shot show this year.

859
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I didn't make the Cry party. I didn't make I

860
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't really make any parties here, so it was it was.

861
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: It was a low key chilling out, don't spend all

862
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: your money on no drinking, and don't spend all your

863
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: money gambling year This year it sounds similar to to

864
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: our experiences. Both of us were there pretty short. Yeah,

865
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: just in and out. Yeah, and and that cry party

866
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: is usually fucking insane. I did, I kind of do

867
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: wish I made that. I didn't see what the I

868
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: didn't see what the theme was. It was it was

869
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: like a disco because I saw pictures of Scott Whittner

870
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: and uh yeah with like an afro wig on. It

871
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: was a disco disco theme. Well, that's all right, I

872
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: have fun. The year they did the Mario Kart one, dude,

873
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: I was there for that one too. Yeah. I got there.

874
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: They had already done the they had already done the races,

875
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: but they could still go. Had people tossing balls all

876
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: over the place. I had. I did the U I

877
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: did the snow one where he had to take the

878
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: the inner tube to slide down a snow pile to

879
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: get inside. And I did the And last year was

880
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: the World of Warcraft that I went to that was

881
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: that was a good time to the boats. Let it

882
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: be placed me at boat races that's inside the Mario

883
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: cart One. Was great. I'm surprised I didn't see you

884
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: at that, man, but no, that's awesome, mom. So you

885
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: could follow Phil on Twitter at Phil that remains anything

886
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: else you're promoting before we wrap this upgrade having you

887
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: on manh Yeah, I just go check out my YouTube page.

888
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: It's the YouTube page is also YouTube dot com slash

889
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: whill it remains, please subscribe like blue comments, um, follow

890
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, Instagram, both of those are filled. It

891
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: remains as well. So I'm pretty easy to track down

892
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: on the internet. Interesting. Yeah, and you actually respond to people,

893
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: and and um, I should throw out there that everybody

894
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: should check out the video for madness. As Jack was saying,

895
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: we're watching it earlier. And I feel like a lot

896
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: of videos that raise awareness for veterans issues, whether it's

897
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: PTSD or you know, all the other stuff in that

898
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: video soldier suicide, it's it's sometimes done in a corny way.

899
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this was very genuine. You could tell

900
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: us a cause it's genuine to you, And like, who

901
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: better to play that part than Chris Farranto. Yeah, it was.

902
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good things about about how Chris

903
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: performed and how it came out, so I gotta, I gotta.

904
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: I gotta definitely give kudos to Chris as he there

905
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: was no hesitation. He was just like, yep, I'm doing it,

906
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and we're like, thank you so much. He's like, no sweat,

907
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: So he's great. I thought he was great in it.

908
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: You could tell that he put his all into that part.

909
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking we should end the show with madness

910
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: when we wrap up. Is that cool with you? Phil? Perfect? Awesome?

911
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: We will and that way, I have Phil actually saying

912
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: I could play it because I know the sound cloud people.

913
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: The sound cloud like is able to to see if

914
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: you're playing a song and I'm gonna get some fucking

915
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: notification that says that I'm using copyrighted material. But I'll

916
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: be like, I have the guy himself saying we could

917
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: play it. So I'll wrap about this one with Oh

918
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: you think that's gonna matter. You think I'll still get craped?

919
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he'll definitely get You wrote the song though,

920
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: I no joke. There's the video that I'm waiting to

921
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: finish because I am currently waiting for my label to

922
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: approve the rights on my YouTube channel so I can

923
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: use a song that I wrote on my video. No kidding,

924
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: that's out of control. Yeah, and it's it's so ridiculous.

925
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: All this is made to protect the people who actually

926
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: own the copyright, the people who have actually written the songs,

927
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: and instead this is what happens. Well, the thing is,

928
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: when you sign a record deal, most most of the

929
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: time they do own the songs, and that's what the

930
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: deal is. When you signed a record deal, that'll give

931
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: your money up front of that way you can live

932
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 1: and write the record and recording stuff. And then they're

933
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: just like, well, well we're going to keep the rights

934
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: of this. So no, I'm sure they'll give me approval.

935
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: It's just you know, to wait and wait and wait.

936
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I hear. Well, thanks for doing this film. Hey,

937
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate it. Man so

938
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: great having Philiponte on. I've wanted to have him on

939
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: for a while. I know that's like a little change

940
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: of pace from for our audience, but we tend to

941
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: do that every now and again. We've had comic book

942
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: artists and writers on the show. We've had musicians on

943
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the show. Um, you know, we still have plenty of

944
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: spec ops guys this this month, so don't worry, we'll

945
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: be back to doing our usual thing. I wanted to

946
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: mention al right, so on the last show I had

947
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Steve Ballastieri on UM you Were Out, Jack, was just

948
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: me and Steve or Steve and I and I mentioned

949
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Captain Jerry Yelling because we were talking about interviewing old

950
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: combat vets. And I said to him, Oh, you got

951
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: to interview Jerry. We had him on episode thirteen of

952
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: Power thought great interview, flew the last combat mission over

953
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: in Japan. Well, little did I know. And I realized

954
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: this because his people a publicists said, oh, we'll be

955
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: back in March. You should have him on the show.

956
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: And he's talking to Brandon about, oh, I still fly planes.

957
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Brandon's talking about getting him in the yack. And sure enough,

958
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: two months after Brandon did that interview, UM, Captain Jerry

959
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Yellen passed away at the age of yeah, I've you know,

960
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: had that happened a few times where I was supposed

961
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, someone want reached out to me.

962
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: They wanted to talk um. And you know, by the time,

963
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: you know, we got our deconflicted our schedules that you know,

964
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: these couple one or two people I'm thinking of having

965
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: mind they passed away. They were they were a little

966
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: bit on. Uh. They were like Vietnam every guys and

967
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: you know they're they're getting up there, um and they

968
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, the guys who served in World War Two

969
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: in Korea. I mean there's less and less of them

970
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: around every day. Yeah. Yeah, and great stories. So if

971
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: you get a chance to check that out, it's episode

972
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: thirteen of the Power of Thought podcast. Rest in peace

973
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: to Jerry Yellen. I'm really privileged that we got to

974
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: have him on before he passed away. And an interesting

975
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: history tidbit here, I guess, but a lot of this

976
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: audience might know. But I'll be honest, I didn't know. Um,

977
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Jerry Illen was arm was a Army Air Forces vet.

978
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: So here's the thing my I well, what it was

979
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: was so my grandpa, for example, was an Army Air corpsvett.

980
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: And I thought it just went from the Army Air

981
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: Corps to the Air Force. And it apparently went from

982
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: the Army Air Corps to the Army Air Forces to

983
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: the Air Force. I didn't realize. Interesting I didn't know

984
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: that either, Yeah, for a short So if you didn't

985
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: know it, then I guess plenty of people didn't for

986
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: a short period of time. I guess at the very

987
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: end of World War Two, which is when Jerry Yellen

988
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: was serving. It was the the Air Forces. So I

989
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting to know. Um, anything else before

990
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: we get out of here that you wanted to mention

991
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: or you know, I feel like we covered everything going

992
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: on with the site. You're working on some some pretty

993
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: big articles though, that I don't know if you could

994
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: talk about. No, I mean I think that's about it. Yeah, um, oh,

995
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: you know who I wanted to throw a punch. This

996
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: is unrelated to the military, but I was telling you before.

997
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: So the Southern Poverty Law Center has gone after Christina

998
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Hall Summers, who I'm a huge fan of and does

999
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: great work with like debunking a lot of stuff with

1000
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: the gender pay gap, and you know, one in four

1001
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: women experienced sexual assault, and and she always breaks it

1002
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: down and goes into like why these are the statistics?

1003
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: And somehow a group against hate groups has gone after

1004
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: this seven year old woman who's you know, like a

1005
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: huge threat. I guess, yeah, we're watching that video is

1006
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. It's like an opportunity for young people to

1007
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, well the video we were

1008
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: watching was was her at that college campus with you know,

1009
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: college could just not allowing her to speak, demanding that

1010
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: their questions be answered immediately with these chants. And so

1011
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: my reaction when I see this because I've seen Ben

1012
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Shapiro has gone through this mile aunopolis and like, I

1013
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of get it on some level that, um, you know,

1014
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: its publicity. These guys kind of like the attention on

1015
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: some level. But I would think as a seven year

1016
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: old woman, I would be like, you know what, I've

1017
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: had enough of this at this point. Let me just

1018
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: do my YouTube channel, let me write my article from

1019
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: the privacy of my own home, and not deal with

1020
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: this ship. So they give a lot of credit for

1021
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: dealing with that. Yeah, I don't. I don't really know

1022
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: why these people And when I say these people, I mean, um,

1023
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: let's just say people who are not on board with

1024
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: whatever the you know, current social justice warrior thing is.

1025
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: And uh, we'd say people who maybe are a little

1026
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: more conservative, why they keep going on college campuses, and um,

1027
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, some of them probably go because they have

1028
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: like a principled belief and like we should have a debate,

1029
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: we should have a conversation. And then there's other people

1030
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: who they're basically just like trolling to like get the attention,

1031
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, because they know there's going to be a

1032
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: some sort of verbal altercation. Um, And I'm afraid I

1033
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: actually don't know much about this woman. I'm a huge fan.

1034
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: I really am, Like, if you were to have a

1035
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: list of my heroes, she is a Christina, you know,

1036
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: because I just think it takes a lot of guts

1037
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: to go out there and come back this now art

1038
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: of the way that she has in such a logical

1039
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: and calm way. She's not someone who gets like up

1040
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: in arms. She'll just be like, these are the statistics,

1041
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: and this is why. And I was I it takes

1042
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: a lot to piss me off. When I saw the

1043
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Lost Center, like I feel like this is

1044
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: a group who people feel as lost credibility. But she

1045
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: wrote about it too like a group that was originally

1046
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: formed to combat people like the Nazis, the KKK, which

1047
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: obviously need to be gone after are now combating this

1048
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: woman who just goes against the modern day feminist narrative.

1049
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: It's like completely ridiculous. I know, it's strange. I mean

1050
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: these people who call themselves antifa, you know, anti fascists, Like, okay,

1051
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: when do you fight the fascists? Like, what's that actually

1052
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Because it seems like you're just kind of

1053
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: berating people who are just like normal people who have

1054
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: opposing views. But that's the thing in the video we

1055
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: were watching with her, Um, they were accusing her or

1056
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: they what they want to stop is they call it platforming,

1057
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: So they don't want they they're the agenda is to

1058
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: deny people who have opposing views a platform if they

1059
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: perceive those views as being fascist, which I mean, who

1060
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: gets to determine what is? And apparently they think this

1061
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: woman has fascist views, so they want to stop her

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