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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March th This is Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: and now the father of journalistic sports writing and the

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Speaker 1: mother of George Jihan Osier and Ashlyn's Sullivan. Welcome in

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour. We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine,

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Speaker 1: Indian India in Indianapolis on Radio Row. It is our

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Speaker 1: fourth day of Jaguars coverage on Jaguars dot Com. A

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Speaker 1: lot of news coming out on Tuesday. I know you

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Speaker 1: are here till Saturday, and we were just saying when

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Speaker 1: this thing dwindles down, it dwindles down quickly. It's I

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Speaker 1: mean that room out there, we're the only ones left,

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Speaker 1: is the only one left. FAM, your CBS, your Big

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Speaker 1: Time well and we have to stay on Saturday, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: So let's start with Tuesday. We came here, there was

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Speaker 1: a big Jaguars news that Peterson Trent Balky spoke to

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Speaker 1: the media, and we started Tuesday morning with the news

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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have decided they will not higher an

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Speaker 1: executive president. I don't like it. I think they needed

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Speaker 1: to bring a guy above Trent Bulky and and let

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Speaker 1: him have some input into the way things are run.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe not have the final decision making power, but

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Speaker 1: also be a guy who can add his insight into that,

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Speaker 1: because where are they now? You have Doug Peterson who's

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Speaker 1: in there, but now you also have the general manager

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Speaker 1: who's the same guy that was the general manager a

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Speaker 1: year ago. And so I think that's part of the

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Speaker 1: problem here, I really do. And I look, I've made

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Speaker 1: I haven't shied away from it. I think they needed

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Speaker 1: to make a change at general manager. I'm not as

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Speaker 1: adamant about it as the fans are, and nor do

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Speaker 1: I think shots a clown for not making that move.

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Speaker 1: But they needed to make a move. Just why didn't

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Speaker 1: they just start all over again? But as it is now,

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Speaker 1: it's all on Trent and and Doug Peterson to get along.

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Speaker 1: And I asked. We had Doug on our our set

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Speaker 1: the other day, and I asked him, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a the fans wanted him out. There were people

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Speaker 1: that didn't want to come work here with him. What

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Speaker 1: is your relationship with him? And have you paid attention

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Speaker 1: to that? And he said, look, I'm not looking into

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Speaker 1: the rear view mirror. I'm looking forward. So I understand

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Speaker 1: it from his standpoint. I just would have made a change. Pete,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you've been on our I guess the

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Speaker 1: channels is the word you use, right, that's this, that's

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Speaker 1: the word the kids use. Um. But I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: we've talked to you much since the Peterson higher You

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Speaker 1: obviously no Doug from before. Uh talk about him, talk

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Speaker 1: about what he's gonna bring. What are your impressions? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think this was a job. And I'm a big

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Speaker 1: Byron left which guy. I love Byron, I always have.

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Speaker 1: I've always had a great relationship with him. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this would have been a good job for Byron.

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Speaker 1: I think Byron is gonna be a great coach down

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Speaker 1: the road, but this wouldn't have been it. They treated

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Speaker 1: him poorly in Jackson, let's be honest about it. He's

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Speaker 1: still had some bad blood about that. And I think

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Speaker 1: this was a team that needed a guy with skins

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Speaker 1: on the wall, and by that I mean a guy

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Speaker 1: who has the cash a that the Super Bowl rank

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Speaker 1: you can come in there and clean up the mess.

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Speaker 1: And it was a mess that's being left behind, and

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Speaker 1: so I think that's the most important thing. And he's

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Speaker 1: good offense and mine. Oh, you have to you have

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Speaker 1: to do is Look, you want a super Bowl? Nick

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Speaker 1: Folest shocked. Oh my god, he want a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Nick Foles? Just put him coaching Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: just for doing that. How will his uh? You know again,

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Speaker 1: you study more other team schemes and we get a

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Speaker 1: chance to detail wise, how do you expect the offense

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Speaker 1: with Peterson to Look? How is this gonna look? Explain

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Speaker 1: that to fans in Yan's terms. Well, look, it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be the wide zone that everybody you don't want to,

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Speaker 1: which I think is the perfect offense for a lot

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. You know, where you run the wide zone

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Speaker 1: like the forty Niners do. It makes it so much

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Speaker 1: easier on them. The old Kyle Shanahan offense. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot like their offense, you know, the Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: pro style offense, which means it's gonna cater to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And if you looked at what Doug did when he

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Speaker 1: got hurt there, correct, And so it's perfect for Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: It's a quarterback eccentric offense. Now, there's always been criticism

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Speaker 1: much more balanced. I think, yeah, most of the offenses

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Speaker 1: And even with an average play there. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I don't think in this building if the running back

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Speaker 1: getting it all out. And then when I come back

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Speaker 1: it sounds cliche, but we've met Doug Peterson now a

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Speaker 1: at CBS and he was stopped sixty times by the people,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's saying, now, he's not a good guy. He's

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Speaker 1: a really good guy. And again, that can only take

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Speaker 1: how you treat your players, but how you treat everybody

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty self evident, But my thought is Doug

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Speaker 1: in March fifteenth, whenever he talks to him first April two.

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Speaker 1: The instant credibility combined with the ability to reach Uh,

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Speaker 1: We've heard the stories, many of them. And yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: like everybody goes, who's a great leader in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Why is he a great leader? If you're good, you're

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Speaker 1: a leader. If you're bad, you're not. Everybody. Oh, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a good leader. Is he any good? I

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Speaker 1: mean if Tom Brady was a six round pick, if

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Speaker 1: If he gets another one, they'll follow him everywhere in

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Speaker 1: buzzing the entire week about the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: We've talked to a bunch of draft anialists and everyone.

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Speaker 1: you should be Evan Neil. Did you see him today?

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Speaker 1: He's standard thirty pounds and he looks like he weighs

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Speaker 1: has he has a capability to get bigger. He reminds

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Speaker 1: me of Tristan wars And you saw what Tristan worse

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Speaker 1: what do you do with Walker Little? How about this scenario?

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Speaker 1: You could do this? You play Walker Little at left tackle,

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Speaker 1: you play Taylor at right tackle, and you play Neil

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Speaker 1: at guard. And people say, well, how can you do that? Well?

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Speaker 1: They played Jonathan Ogden at Gardens first year in in

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Speaker 1: What if Taylor plays great, maybe almost at a pro

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Speaker 1: That's my concern if he could continue to get better

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of the dilemma of this draft is

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Speaker 1: an absolute plague and play left tackle, well, he would be,

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Speaker 1: I think he would be. But if you drafted Walker Little,

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Speaker 1: we drafted him last year, what do you do with him?

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Speaker 1: And they I mean what you saw from Walker Little

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Speaker 1: and last week of this season that was if he

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasant problem to have. You can never haven't

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Speaker 1: we seen over the course of the last two Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls the team that doesn't have the offensive line doesn't win.

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Speaker 1: in this league, and offensive line plays so bad if

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Speaker 1: you have Trevor Lawrence to get better upfront. So in

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Speaker 1: this situation, you're saying, let Cam Robinson walk, don't bring

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Speaker 1: move Neil out. You played two young kids to tackle.

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Speaker 1: And the fascinating thing, Pete, I've been saying this for

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Speaker 1: sitting at thirty three, it seems like, all right, the

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Speaker 1: elite wide receivers might be gone by then. Do you

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Speaker 1: use some capital to trade up maybe try to get

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. Yeah, I wouldn't be against it

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Speaker 1: at all, and I I think the good news is

431
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Speaker 1: you're getting Travisy team back next year. Be instuting to

432
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Speaker 1: see how Doug Peterson wants to use him, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: after after last year, there's being some conversation about him

434
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Speaker 1: doing different things. But I do think that using some

435
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Speaker 1: capital to go get an elite receiver. And and there

436
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Speaker 1: are five or six first round receivers in this class,

437
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Speaker 1: but they might all be top twenty picks, you know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of them. Jamison Williams tears his a c

439
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Speaker 1: L in the National Championship game, but he's weeks ahead

440
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Speaker 1: in his recovery. You know, he's not gonna miss much time.

441
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Speaker 1: His teammate John Metchi tears is a seal in the

442
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Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. He's saying that he's close to too

443
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Speaker 1: ready already. So I do think that if if someone

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Speaker 1: starts to slip, that it could be a good opportunity

445
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Speaker 1: to move up five picks, six picks and make sure

446
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Speaker 1: you're getting You know that that as much as Trevor

447
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Speaker 1: needs left tackle, he needs the number one receiver as well, right,

448
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Speaker 1: so making sure that he leaves this draft knowing, Okay,

449
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Speaker 1: my backside is protected and I have a best friend

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver to throw too. The consensus, uh seems

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Speaker 1: to be a okay to good draft at the top,

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Speaker 1: but that it stays pretty good for a long time.

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Speaker 1: In this draft, is that the way you see it

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Speaker 1: as well? Absolutely? I don't think I've ever seen this

455
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Speaker 1: type of like we call it flat right, So the

456
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Speaker 1: difference between the number four overall player and the number

457
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Speaker 1: twenty overall player, it's not that big, right. I think

458
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are down on the draft

459
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Speaker 1: because there's not the quarterbacks like we saw five in

460
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Speaker 1: the top fifteen last year. But I think if you

461
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Speaker 1: need to tackle a receiver and edge rusher, a corner line,

462
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Speaker 1: like it's so deep at those positions where you are

463
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Speaker 1: in round two and three still looking at players like, gosh,

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Speaker 1: these guys are starters. You know. I did a I

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Speaker 1: did a mock draft exercise and even publish it just

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Speaker 1: didn't a mock draft to see kind of how things

467
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Speaker 1: fell out. And I was in round three and was like,

468
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Speaker 1: there's no way this. Players just told me on the

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Speaker 1: board like what where did I mess up? But like, no,

470
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Speaker 1: the draft is just that deep that guys who could

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Speaker 1: be ranked in the fifties could be there in round

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Speaker 1: three just because teams are are drafting for need or

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Speaker 1: guys are are slipping through the cracks a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's always interesting to me. How many mock drafts do

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Speaker 1: you do? Oh? A lot, a lot, if you know. Now,

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Speaker 1: thankfully I love my new employers. We don't have to

477
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Speaker 1: do as many, right, but there's an insatiable need for

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Speaker 1: or thirst for. You know, we could put one out

479
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Speaker 1: every day and fans would love it. And there's so

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Speaker 1: many different scenarios that you can run through that I

481
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Speaker 1: think that that makes it interesting. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville takes Aiden Hutchinson it changes everything, Or if they

483
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Speaker 1: take Evan Neil, what does that? What does that do?

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Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes it fun. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love that part of this job. That was I

486
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Speaker 1: fell in love with it as a young child doing

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Speaker 1: mock drafts in my parents house, you know, so I

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Speaker 1: still still love doing that, and I think that that

489
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Speaker 1: is what makes it fun, is the hope of this

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Speaker 1: one pick could change our franchise. But then also, okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we put this puzzle together that is a

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster? How concerned were the parents when

493
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Speaker 1: very because my parents got concerned when I was doing

494
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Speaker 1: stats all the time as a kid, So that's how

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Speaker 1: they knew I was. We're going off topic here, it's

496
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Speaker 1: a true story. I almost h got kicked out of

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Speaker 1: high school. I was a good kid, right, I almost

498
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Speaker 1: got kicked at high school because I was skipping school

499
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Speaker 1: to play Madden so much. My parents didn't know. They

500
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Speaker 1: were like, you missed twenty days this semester. What do

501
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Speaker 1: you like, does he have the flu or what's happening.

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Speaker 1: There's no I was just addicted to playing Madden and

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Speaker 1: making mock drafts. So it worked out. Mom and dad like,

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Speaker 1: I'm it worked out, But there was there was a time.

505
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Speaker 1: I think they probably wondered what I was doing man

506
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Speaker 1: on a football sort of bring it back, and it's

507
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Speaker 1: been fascinating. As I've tried in the last couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks to sort of get up to speed with the draft,

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Speaker 1: it strikes you that there maybe a better chance this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen, but there's more discussion

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Speaker 1: of say Kyle Hamilton's maybe at number one, A dabt

512
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Speaker 1: it will happen. They'd be an unusual position, but not

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Speaker 1: a complete shock considering the draft wide open. You also

514
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Speaker 1: are hearing more talk about linebacker again becoming an elite position.

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Speaker 1: Are we seeing any sort of a change in a

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Speaker 1: trendle on those lines of how teams are viewing certain

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Speaker 1: positions in terms of draft value. I think so. I

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Speaker 1: think we can look at last year Kyle Pitts being

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Speaker 1: a tight end being drafted in the top five. That

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Speaker 1: almost never happens. T J. Hockenson, you know, several years

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Speaker 1: before that was a great player as well. But I

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Speaker 1: think what Kyle Pitts Kyle Hamilton's a very good comparison

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Speaker 1: to that of You're not truly just a position here,

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Speaker 1: not just the safety. You're not just a linebacker. You

525
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Speaker 1: are a defensive weapon or a defensive playmaker. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we can deploy you in all these different ways to

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Speaker 1: match up against tight ends or big receivers or to

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Speaker 1: spy mobile quarterbacks. So I think that's what makes Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's arguably the best player in this class. He's a

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Speaker 1: high i Q, highly productive multi year starter who is

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Speaker 1: also somewhat of an anomaly from his athletic gift standpoint

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Speaker 1: at six ft four to twenty UM. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that there is a solid argument for I was

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Speaker 1: asked just a little big ago, if you could pick

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Speaker 1: one player in this class be a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: who would it be? And I say, Kyle Hamilton's right,

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Speaker 1: because he is just that unique of a skill set that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you could argue positional value is not great. But in

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Speaker 1: a draft that lacks that elite player at the high

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Speaker 1: positions of value, maybe you just go with the best

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Speaker 1: football player sometimes. Yeah, And obviously I need for the

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Speaker 1: jag Wars as well to break a case for it.

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Speaker 1: We asked this this week because I feel like in

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville every offseason we have this hope and this optimism

545
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Speaker 1: and you almost get in this whole of just hoping

546
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Speaker 1: and wishing for positivity people. Yet for a national outlook ESPN, obviously,

547
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Speaker 1: where are the Jaguars right now? Where do you see them? Um?

548
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Speaker 1: An unknown? You know. But the Bengals two years ago

549
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Speaker 1: where we made fun of the Bengals two years ago

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Speaker 1: because they only have like seven scouts, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it was like what are they? What they team doing right?

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Speaker 1: And even you know, when they took Jamar Chase, people

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Speaker 1: scoffed at that of what what are you doing taking

554
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Speaker 1: a receiver? Well, they were in the Super Bowl after

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Speaker 1: having the number one picked two years before. So I

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Speaker 1: think for Jags fans there is a model that you

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Speaker 1: can be excited about of you can turn this around

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Speaker 1: very quickly, you know, if you get things right. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the Bengals drafted so well, not

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Speaker 1: just in round one, been in round two, getting Jesse Bates,

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Speaker 1: in round three, getting Logan Wilson. It's not just hitting

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Speaker 1: in round one, it's hitting in round two and three

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Speaker 1: and getting starters out of that group. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's where you know, Trent and Doug Peterson have to

565
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Speaker 1: be smart about. It's not just about pick one, because

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Speaker 1: I just about pick thirty three. We gotta make sure

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Speaker 1: that we get sixty five right and you gotta make

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Speaker 1: sure you get you know, sub subsequent rounds. You have

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Speaker 1: to be pulling starters. You talked to draft people all

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Speaker 1: over the league and inside the league inside buildings. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think had there been a number

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Speaker 1: a true lead receiver, had there been a Jamaar Chase

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Speaker 1: level wide receiver in this draft, which I guess the

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Speaker 1: consensus is there's not, But considering the way the league's

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Speaker 1: going and his success could we see in the next

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Speaker 1: ten years a wide receiver again go one Keyshan did

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Speaker 1: ninety six last time. Possibly. I think it would take

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Speaker 1: someone who is, you know, a Julio Jones type, Calvin

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Speaker 1: Johnson type. You're gonna need to be, you know, six

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Speaker 1: four running a four three, But it is possible. I

581
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Speaker 1: think one thing that that would hurt that argument would

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Speaker 1: be that we're seeing so many receivers come out around

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Speaker 1: two that are successful. A J. Brown and DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 1: you know, out of round two have been great players.

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Speaker 1: Even in Cincinnati, you know, Tyler Boyden T. Higgins are

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00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: very good players. So I think that is one area

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00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: where at the receiver position, much like a corner right now,

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Speaker 1: are you better off drafting one earlier or you better

589
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: off drafting a couple late who are standout athletes, like

590
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Speaker 1: a Tyreek Hill that you can maybe mold and develop

591
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Our teams at all shying away from

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Speaker 1: or not shying makes you need defensive players, but devaluing

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Speaker 1: it a little bit because of a thought of, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you don't score in this league, you don't win.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think so, and I do think that's why

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Speaker 1: this year might be an outlier in that case because

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Speaker 1: of the way the draft talent is tacked. But I

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00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: do think that there's much more of an emphasis on

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00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: getting playmakers, building offensive lines, and and going more of

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Speaker 1: those positions. Obviously, corner and pass rusher are always going

601
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Speaker 1: to be early picks, but I think for you know,

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Speaker 1: d tackles, linebackers, I do think that position starting to

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00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: slide a little bit. Yes, points are fun and the Jaguars, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller, thank you for your time. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much, fantastic. Thank you. Still to come on Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Happy or John Ore and I break down the draft

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Speaker 1: coming up shortly, stay with us. Welcome back to Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Happy Are We are alive from the scouting Combine, live

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Speaker 1: from Indie, Live from Radio Row. This is day four

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Speaker 1: of Jaguars dot com coverage. Much more to come the

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Speaker 1: rest of the week. We will be heading out tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: You leave in this afternoon. I'm leaving as soon as

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Speaker 1: we get at Yes, it's been a long week. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely it's Wendel's quickly after Wednesday, that's for sure, And

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00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that free agency is in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: We spoke to Trent Bulky on Tuesday, we kind of

617
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Speaker 1: asked his mindset of free agency. He said, we have

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Speaker 1: the money, we're going to spend it. We're gonna be aggressive. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to note that every time

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Speaker 1: he said aggressive and Doug Peterson sat in that chair

621
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Speaker 1: right there, Slynn did and said the same thing aggressive,

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Speaker 1: But then seconds later they both said, you have to

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Speaker 1: be aggressive within a plan, and you have to make

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Speaker 1: sure you're gonna have to the right player. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: I do think you're going to see the Jaguars very

626
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Speaker 1: much in on, much more high, high profile home run

627
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Speaker 1: guys than you saw last year. I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see fans as upset at what they perceived as

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Speaker 1: in activity on the first coup for days. UM. I

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Speaker 1: hope that they don't go overboard with it. I hope

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Speaker 1: that they don't spend for the sake of spending. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they will. UM. I think Trent's point that

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Speaker 1: he was making with you have to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the guys you pay are worthwhile, not only for on

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Speaker 1: the field, but for in the locker room, for what

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Speaker 1: you were trying to build here. UM. This is not

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Speaker 1: a case where you're trying to add one piece to

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Speaker 1: get to a Super Bowl. Um, you know news flash,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Jaguars might have a year before

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Speaker 1: there at that point, So you're still very much in

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Speaker 1: a build. With that being kept in mind, you want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you have team and locker room

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Speaker 1: and everybody buying into what's going on as much as

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Speaker 1: you can. So you've got to make sure that the

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Speaker 1: guys you were paying are good fits and at least

646
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Speaker 1: feel like two or three year foundation pieces rather than just, hey,

647
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Speaker 1: we're adding a piece to the puzzle here. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was interesting when we Trent Bulky. Right after he said yes,

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Speaker 1: we want to be aggressive. He also said players in

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Speaker 1: the locker room know when a free agent is worth paying,

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Speaker 1: And that was really interesting because you always hear fans

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Speaker 1: and us a lot of time say I'll just pay him.

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Speaker 1: You have the money, We'll go hit the home run

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Speaker 1: and pay him. He said, yeah, Well, players in the

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Speaker 1: locker room turn on the film and they know if

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Speaker 1: he's worth all that money, and not to mention, they're

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Speaker 1: going to compare. He got that contract, he's playing this level.

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Speaker 1: I'm here playing this level, and you have to balance it.

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Speaker 1: You have to be aggressive, and if you're going to

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Speaker 1: be in free agency, being aggressive means by definition, over paying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're always going to be signing a check where you

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Speaker 1: think it's more I wanted to pay for that guy,

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Speaker 1: because that's the reality, not just in Jacksonville, but everywhere

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay. You're going to overpay for a fifth

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Speaker 1: year guy that you consider close to elite because there's

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Speaker 1: only so many of those available in free agency, So

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Speaker 1: the supply and demand equation demands that he gets overpaid.

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Speaker 1: But you have to balance that with the idea of

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Speaker 1: what Trent Balky also talked about this week. You cannot

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Speaker 1: build a competitive roster continuously paying eleven million dollars for

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Speaker 1: a three million dollar player, and he used that as

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Speaker 1: exact numbers, but his point was if you do that

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Speaker 1: three or four times, you are automatically taking away assets

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Speaker 1: that you should be using for other areas of your

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Speaker 1: team and over paying for an area that you're not

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Speaker 1: getting production from. That takes two pieces away, and over time,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be a dysfunctional franchise. Was very bad

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Speaker 1: roster fans out there saying, well, the Jaguars have been

679
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Speaker 1: that true, but you still can't overdo that or you

680
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Speaker 1: will never get to where you want to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and just because you have all this cap space and

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Speaker 1: get it doesn't mean okay, well let's just just spend

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Speaker 1: it all over the place and then we'll be in

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Speaker 1: a bad place in three years. That's on how it works.

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Speaker 1: That said, it does sound as if what they were

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Speaker 1: talking about this week from piecing different places together, Trent

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Speaker 1: Baulky and Peterson, both on the podium, both talking to

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Speaker 1: local media, both talking to us, it certainly sounds like

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver especially, they really is that is a

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Speaker 1: position where we have to get better. We have to

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Speaker 1: get experienced better, and we have to get rookie build

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Speaker 1: guy better. Would not surprise me at all. Huge free

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Speaker 1: agent signing plus number thirty three overall in the draft

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Speaker 1: to try to get that spot to a point where

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Speaker 1: you can add it to some serviceable players on the roster,

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Speaker 1: some productive players on the roster. Not have the guys

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Speaker 1: on the roster have to be stars, have them be

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Speaker 1: part of a good wide receiver package. That seems to

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Speaker 1: be the goal of this regime right now. Yeah. We

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Speaker 1: asked Trump Balky the need for speed, Where do you

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Speaker 1: get need for speeds my thing this week. I've said

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Speaker 1: that like twelve times need for speed, and we asked, okay,

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Speaker 1: do you get in free agenty do you get in

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Speaker 1: the drafting looks at as a matter of factling goes both.

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Speaker 1: So tonight the wide receivers are working out the first

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Speaker 1: for the on field. So tonight's a big night for Trump,

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Speaker 1: Balky and the scouting staff because yeah, thirty three just

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Speaker 1: it makes all the sense in the world. It is,

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Speaker 1: and I really think we missed out on the potential

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Speaker 1: for a fascinating what is it now March three, couple

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Speaker 1: of months leading to the draft, had there been elite

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Speaker 1: wide receiver guy draft. I just asked Matt Miller and

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Speaker 1: he sort of, you know, didn't really go there that

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Speaker 1: it could have happened this year, had had Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: or that level of kids be available in this draft,

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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars sitting there with that need um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that they would have done it, but it

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Speaker 1: would have been fascinating to find out how close they

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Speaker 1: came to it, because this feels like a year where

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Speaker 1: that could have happened. I can agree with with Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller for the most part. Your positional value. Most years,

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Speaker 1: you're either still going to have quarterback, tackle or pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: probably the number one overall. Picking the draft. This felt

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Speaker 1: like a year where had there been an elite Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase type guy coming out. You just wonder how

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Speaker 1: tempted the Jaguars might have been. Yeah, or even crazy

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Speaker 1: to think if this isn't if this is last year

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts is there and as tight and so bad,

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Speaker 1: do you even read for that? Which is crazy? I

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Speaker 1: think that a tight and go one. But man, you

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Speaker 1: need it, and if it's there was in this draft, um,

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Speaker 1: I'd begin a lot of these questions about it. Yes

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Speaker 1: you sure? How it answered? Yes? Absolutely? We have much

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Speaker 1: more to come on Jaguars Happy Hours, stay with us,

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Speaker 1: much more draft talk, much more Combine talk coming up.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us. Welcome back Jaguars Happy Hour. John Osier

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Speaker 1: and Ashland Sullivan here live in Indianapolis, live at Radio Row.

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Speaker 1: Our last day of live coverage here from the Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine and major news today regarding COVID and oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, we have made it for two years. There

741
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Speaker 1: have been strict protocols and tears and testing and tracking

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Speaker 1: devices and separate hallways. And now today they cleared the

743
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Speaker 1: protocols we've been waiting for this day they really have.

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Speaker 1: It's a could us slim you know, take people behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes. There's been certain things we have been able

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Speaker 1: to do. It's been certain interviews we haven't been able to, uh,

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Speaker 1: to get your famous walk offs, able to get as

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Speaker 1: many as camp camping next one as he likes. So

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Speaker 1: that will come back. More pertinent to football operations is

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Speaker 1: the players. I think we'll have a chance to get

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Speaker 1: back to normal in terms of their routine, in terms

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Speaker 1: of not having to test and and I think that

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Speaker 1: will create more of a chance for team more together

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Speaker 1: in this more camaraderie, less separation in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: For the players, I think they will look forward to

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Speaker 1: getting back to what they I guess the football environment

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Speaker 1: that they all grew up with, you know, would be

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Speaker 1: in the locker room, uh, beyond the team bus, not separated.

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Speaker 1: All those things that they grew up around. They will

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Speaker 1: be able to get back too. And it will just

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Speaker 1: make organizationally, it's much easier to function in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: More bonding. Yes, he's awesome, speaking of bonding, kind of

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Speaker 1: speaking NFL Combine. So today is tonight is on field workouts,

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Speaker 1: but the Jaguars have been going through formal interviews this

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Speaker 1: entire week. Those started Tuesday and they will interview forty

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Speaker 1: five prospects for fifteen minutes each. And we sat down

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Speaker 1: with head coach Doug Peterson about this process. This is

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Speaker 1: now his thirteenth year at the NFL Combine and he

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Speaker 1: said he gets so much out of the formal interview process.

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Speaker 1: The coolest part about it, Johnny, you'll be able to

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Speaker 1: watch this interview soon on Jaguars dot com is he

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Speaker 1: talked about the skill positions and what they use the

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Speaker 1: white board forward in that portion in quarterbacks and wide

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Speaker 1: receivers drawing up plays and you could just see the

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Speaker 1: football i Q was really starting to go when you

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Speaker 1: asked him about that, and a guy was so much experience.

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Speaker 1: To have him in your room doing that is crucial. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they get a chance. I doubt that they make

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Speaker 1: their final decision based on that, but it's certainly when

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Speaker 1: they put these guys on the board and they start

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Speaker 1: talking x as and os with them, it gives them

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Speaker 1: an idea of their personality type. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if it was Doug or Trent may have been. Doug

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Speaker 1: said on our air this week. Um, it gives you

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Speaker 1: a chance to see how they function in the work

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Speaker 1: day under pressure. And that's what the Combine can give them,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily anything specific out of an interview, but if

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Speaker 1: if you give a kid, hey, what would you do

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Speaker 1: in this situation, here's our scheme, what would you expect

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Speaker 1: out of this? It gives them a chance to see

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Speaker 1: how they react. We're gonna cover Tony Dungeon, Indianapolis. He

792
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Speaker 1: used to talk about he would come to the Combine

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Speaker 1: and as much as he would get something out of

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Speaker 1: the interview process, his thing was some of those answers

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Speaker 1: are very canned. So what he would do often is

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Speaker 1: go and watch guys during their drills when they didn't

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Speaker 1: know they were being watched. How they behaved around other, uh,

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Speaker 1: other prospects in their group, whether they were naturally the leader,

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Speaker 1: whether they were reserved. And he said, you didn't make

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Speaker 1: decisions based on it, but you know, coaches have never

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Speaker 1: seen and been around these guys before, so they're just

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Speaker 1: looking for something to give them an idea. What is

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Speaker 1: this guy going to be like once he's in our building?

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Speaker 1: What am I dealing with? Can you function with the

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Speaker 1: rest of the people. Is it going to be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Probably doesn't make your decision number one. But when you're

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Speaker 1: in the third round and you're wondering about and you've

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Speaker 1: got five guys on the board, at some point it

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Speaker 1: becomes a gut feeling where somebody says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: all five of those guys are fine. I had a

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Speaker 1: good vibe about this kid. Yeah, absolutely somewhere as a

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Speaker 1: human being that comes into play. Yeah, And it's it's

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Speaker 1: funny we were talking about and in some ways everyone

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Speaker 1: can relate to this process. It's it's a job interview.

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Speaker 1: And granted it's much more pressurized than a normal job

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Speaker 1: interview because it's only fifteen minutes along in front of

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Speaker 1: thirty two NFL teams, But that's what he said. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a formal job interview, and NFL Sundays are an

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Speaker 1: incredibly high pressured situation. So this is the way it

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Speaker 1: has to be. It has to be pressurized, and we

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Speaker 1: have to be tough on them because if they can't

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Speaker 1: handle it now, they can't handle it on Sunday. And

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Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes doesn't sound like a lot, but when

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Speaker 1: you start doing the math for every team with the

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Speaker 1: head coach having to be in their forty five times

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Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes. I'm not very good at math, but

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Speaker 1: that's minutes um. The same thing with the prospect. The

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Speaker 1: prospect fifteen minutes times. Say the interview with twelve teams,

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Speaker 1: that's four hours. If if it's all back to back

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Speaker 1: by that eleventh one, you're hearing the same questions in

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Speaker 1: your little days. Most teams, again, as Trent Baalky said

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Speaker 1: on air this week, this is a piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily blow your chance at being drafted if

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Speaker 1: you have one bad interview. But I think teams do

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Speaker 1: look at a guy who can have a good interview

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Speaker 1: on his eleventh Okay, this kid maybe has a little

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Speaker 1: more mental stamina. This kid is you know, by the

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Speaker 1: eleventh interview, all your prepared answers are kind of gone,

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Speaker 1: so maybe a little bit more of yourself is showing through.

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Speaker 1: It's all part of that overall mosaic impression you have

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Speaker 1: of a kid. So it's always important to remember the

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Speaker 1: combine as trand ball. He said this week most general

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Speaker 1: manager's ever been around, and said it a piece of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle, but it's it's their first and sometimes only

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Speaker 1: chance to have the personality piece of the puzzle as

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Speaker 1: opposed to film numbers. Uh, it's it's an a live

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Speaker 1: piece rather than a computerized piece. And I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really interesting because I think the perspective from fans

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Speaker 1: and truthfully me before I've covered this a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: As you come here and you think, Okay, they saw

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Speaker 1: all these prospects. Now their draft board is going to

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Speaker 1: completely change. They're gonna fly back to Jackson, will tear

853
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: it all up and trump, Baulky was saying, not necessarily.

854
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: It basically says, okay, if we missed this and this

855
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: prospects ran a great forty time, how did we miss that?

856
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: And you go back and watch the film. It was

857
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: just interesting that not near as traumatic as he once thought.

858
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Bill Polian, who I worked with for ten years and Indy,

859
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: used to talk about it in exactly the same verbiage

860
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: that Trent used. It's a flag if you will. Yeah,

861
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: you've got your board, you've got your rankings, you've got

862
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: what you think, so you can every part of the

863
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: draft process is okay, that's there. Okay. Now we went

864
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: to his pro day. Does that line up with what

865
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: we thought? Yes, it confirms everything we've interviewed the kid. Yes,

866
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: it confirms everything. You go to the combine. Hey, he

867
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: ran two tents of a second faster than we thought

868
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: he was going to. Okay, well, let's go back, Let's

869
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: do the homework, Let's make sure we didn't miss Let's

870
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: call his college coach, Let's call somebody, make sure to

871
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: give this kid run. Let's go back. Or is he

872
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: just as Trent said the other day? Is he just

873
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: a good tester? It gives them a reason to go

874
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: back and do some extra work and make sure they're

875
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: not missing anything. It's part of the process, but in

876
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: no way. Again, there will be new mock drafts next week. Yes,

877
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: there will be people talking about right, this guy's stock

878
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: is right, and that's the great words the stock is right,

879
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: trendy or around here. That's that's great for fans, observers

880
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: and mock drafters, it's not really the reality of how

881
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: draft rooms work. Closing minutes here of Jaguars Happy Hour,

882
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: it is going to be a very busy next two weeks.

883
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: Seems like the Jaguars off seasons have always been full

884
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: of storylines, lately, but these next two weeks kind of underrated.

885
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: How much will be decided in these next two weeks.

886
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of questions about why receiver d

887
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: J Chark. Do they franchise Hagle, do they bring them back?

888
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: Are they're going to let him test free agency? We

889
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: see so many scenarios playing out, and you'd love for

890
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: d to to come back because he's an awesome player

891
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: to cover. But the more I hear around here, it

892
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: might not be the case. Yeah, it's it's tough, and

893
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, I would love for d Jr. To come back.

894
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: I love him as a person. I personally think that

895
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: what we've seen of him over four years, it feels

896
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: to me like he's a guy who is going to

897
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: have a better year five through eight of his career

898
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: than he had a or one through four. Um, he

899
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl in because it was nineteen and

900
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: to me, even the Pro Bowl, you're just scratched the surface.

901
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: But I also get if the Jaguars take the route of,

902
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: you know what, we just haven't seen enough, we have

903
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, which again I don't

904
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna do that. That's one of the options.

905
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: If they do that, fans are going to wonder why.

906
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: But the reality is he has not shown on a

907
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: consistent basis and done it, and he's had four years

908
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: to do it, so you understand why somebody would say,

909
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen it yet. So that's a direction

910
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure which way they're going to go.

911
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: I think people who may be tuning in now watch

912
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: the top of the show. The conversation may with Pete

913
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: Prisco about offensive line. They can go a lot of

914
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: different ways on offensive line coming up, and it is

915
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: not a clear cut dilemma over whether you keep Frint,

916
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: you keep Cam Robinson, you draft to tackle in that

917
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: spot and there's a domino effect there or it's fascinating.

918
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: It is how the negotiations go with Cam is going

919
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: to shape a lot of this draft for other teams,

920
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, and for the Jaguars, and it's uh,

921
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: the reactions to what happens Ashlynd will be very How

922
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: in the world could they do that? The reality is,

923
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: with both of those players, there are arguments to be

924
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: made on both sides. It's what makes it so fascinating

925
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: to me. It is because the m O of the

926
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Jaguars and past years has been they don't keep their

927
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: players they're good players, and Doug Peterson and Trump Bulky

928
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: made a point on Tuesday to say that, But I

929
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: don't want people to think that means, oh, they're obviously

930
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: they'm going to keep Cam Robinson in d J chart.

931
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: That's what they meant, not necessarily. They said this starts

932
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: right here, drafting good players, keeping them. But when I

933
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: say that, everyone's like, oh, that must mean you know

934
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: they're paying Cam Robinson. Well, not the case I think

935
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: they would like to. I mean, you know, if it's

936
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: the right price, and it always compromised to oh there

937
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: being no You've got to make sure that the value

938
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: fits the player. I think I would like to pay Cam.

939
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: If you're like, there are guys they would like to pay,

940
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: does it fit what you want to do long term?

941
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: And is the value there? Uh, it's negligent if the

942
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: GM and personnel people don't take those things in any consideration,

943
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: and this regime certainly will. Yes, it all seems to

944
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: be a compromise, and really a lot of it when

945
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: we talk about wide receiver is on kind of d

946
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: J Charks shoulders if he comes down on his price

947
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: and says all right, you know, I'll play for twelve,

948
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: thirteen whatever million. Okay, deal done, and you can see

949
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: that happening. But I totally see d J. Chark side

950
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: of you know, I want to be wide receiver number one,

951
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: and I want to go test the waters to see

952
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: if I can make that twenty million dollar contract that

953
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's going to get in Jacksonville. Yeah,

954
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: and I have no idea the numbers um because the

955
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: franchise tag I think was close to almost twenty million

956
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: dollars and he's not going to get that. Those are tough.

957
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: It is truly a matter of if he had more

958
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: production in Jacksonville, even with people making the decisions, I

959
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: think it would be an easier decision. It's also a

960
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: matter of it's very easy to say, well, go test

961
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: free agency, excuse me, and we will see how it goes,

962
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: how the market bears. The problem is realistically, once a

963
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: player gets out there on free agency, it's very rare

964
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: for them to come back to the former team just

965
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of a chip. So you

966
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: go to create some negative feelings. You're out there, you're

967
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: being wowed by somebody else. I generally think once a

968
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: player is out there, they don't come back. There's exceptions

969
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: to that rule, but it's always a word. Yes, I

970
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: totally agree. And your fear is that if you less

971
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: let them test the waters, or if you let them walk.

972
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: And you see it on a much smaller scale with

973
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Alan Lizard who was on the Jaguars practice squad. The

974
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: Jaguars let him go and then he becomes a serious

975
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: downfield threat in green Bank and everyone uses that example.

976
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: How could you have let him outside your building? That's

977
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: d J Charkin two years killing it for another team.

978
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson's a good an example of that. Uh, that's

979
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: a real danger with you, because again I think his

980
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: year five through eight will be better than his year

981
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: one through four. Question is does that mean that it's

982
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: worth what he might bear on the open market? Fortunately, Slynn,

983
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: those decisions are way above my pay way. Wait, wait,

984
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: if I even have a pay grade, I think you do,

985
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: especially here. You've done great work this week, I'll say,

986
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: and you as well. Thank you. All right, so let

987
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: fans know what else is coming up for you the

988
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: rest of the week. The rest of the week, um

989
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: will be more coverage, still sort of parsing through the

990
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: press conversation Tuesday. Also, I'm not sure that our conversation

991
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: with Charles Davis's run yet. Um, that was very interesting.

992
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: We talked to him yesterday. The should run in Jaguars

993
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: dot Com. I'll be writing off that as well. And

994
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: next week I should have an ozone podcast with Tony Pauline,

995
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: who's been with Jaguars dot Com working and talking to

996
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: us for uppers of twenty years, and he's always one

997
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: of the most interesting people to talk to in NFLS circle.

998
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: So I would definitely watch for that. Yes, he it's

999
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: a very well connected man. We also have the interview

1000
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that we talked about with Doug Peterson in the interview room,

1001
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: all about that interview process. That's going to go up

1002
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: on tonight's on Jaguars dot Com. We have on fuel

1003
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: workouts starting tonight's. Of course, the Hunts are long form series,

1004
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of written content as well. It's been a

1005
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: long week, John, We've done a lot of great work.

1006
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll say we've done work. We have. It's been great,

1007
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: we absolutely have. And then next week we're gonna start

1008
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: on Drivetime and happier, we're gonna start talking about free agency.

1009
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: We don't get much break around here. It comes up

1010
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: quick and the next two weeks. As you said, the

1011
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: future of a lot of different things, long term and

1012
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: short term, will go down in the next week two weeks.

1013
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. I am to entertaining stuff going

1014
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville as well as an indie. Thank you

1015
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: for tuning into our combine coverage. Stay with us on

1016
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. Thanks for tuning into Jaguars Happy Hour.