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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. My name is Jamie Loftus, and I

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Speaker 1: am still on the Internet. If I wasn't, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: my skin would look a lot better.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to sixteenth Minute.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, you are listening to it

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Speaker 1: currently and probably future obscure podcast. So I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: you're on the Internet too, and probably social media. And

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Speaker 1: I know that that's supposed to be a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: But like many people who are thirty yeah boo, elderly

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Speaker 1: on the Internet, I cannot log out. And I know

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Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. And I know I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: go and touch grass, but you know who tells you

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Speaker 1: to go touch grass? People on the Internet, And I

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Speaker 1: just feel like they're not telling me that From the Grass.

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Speaker 1: Sixteenth Minute is the podcast where I provide a thorough

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Speaker 1: sixteenth minute of fame to someone who became famous online

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Speaker 1: for a fleeting moment. Why Because I want to understand

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Speaker 1: what makes a character of the day, Because I think

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Speaker 1: that's a more complicated question than we give it credit for.

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Speaker 1: This show is about characters of the day. Because I

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Speaker 1: am not too good for social media. If I was

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Speaker 1: going to get off of social media, I would have

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Speaker 1: done it a long time ago by now, so gather

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Speaker 1: around and let's learn about the Internet. My family couldn't

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Speaker 1: afford a desktop until I was in the second grade,

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Speaker 1: so I have some memories before being online, the most

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Speaker 1: impactful of which was being kissed on the beach by

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Speaker 1: a kid who thankfully was not my biological cousin, but

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Speaker 1: I did call him my cousin, so I couldn't be

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Speaker 1: sure of that at the time. Anyways, here's my operating theory.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe the technology is making human beings worse.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of headlines suggest, human behavior and instincts

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Speaker 1: haven't changed much, but the tools that we enact those

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Speaker 1: instincts with have cranked up our ability to react with

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Speaker 1: impact positively or negatively, way up, not to mention the

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Speaker 1: speed that we can react. Late twentieth century tabloids would

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Speaker 1: really languish in reading their subjects to filth for weeks

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Speaker 1: on end, and that's a far rarer experience today. Fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago, it would be uniquely painful for someone who

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Speaker 1: lives five thousand miles away from you to ruin your

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Speaker 1: day career life, but that is no longer true, and

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Speaker 1: fifty years ago you wouldn't have the instinct to do

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Speaker 1: the same to someone else. People are just not built

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Speaker 1: for it, but the people who live to tell the

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Speaker 1: tale are very much worth talking to. I want this

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Speaker 1: show to be a place that encourages you to see

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Speaker 1: these people, the characters of the day, as people, and

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Speaker 1: the rest I'll leave to you. Some episodes i'll be

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Speaker 1: interviewing the characters of the day themselves, some I'll be

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Speaker 1: talking to the people who made them characters of the day,

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Speaker 1: and others I'll be zooming out a little to take

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Speaker 1: a look at why the algorithm served us this person

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Speaker 1: during this cultural moment and what that might mean. I've

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Speaker 1: been making stuff since high school, mostly online, and if

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Speaker 1: there's anything I've learned in that time, it's that everything,

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Speaker 1: including what you're listening to right now, is a piece

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Speaker 1: while it exists. And with that, let's get into our

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Speaker 1: first character. First, a little scene setting musical transition. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: nice production. Come with me if you will. To the

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Speaker 1: year twenty ten, Black Swan Shutter Island, Get Him to

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Speaker 1: all sex criminal cast. Twilight Mania has reached a fever pitch,

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Speaker 1: which was actually a really big deal to my friend

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Speaker 1: group at the time, Thank you so much. Twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Social media was becoming normal at this time, not just

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Speaker 1: sweethearts beginning strange emotional affairs. Facebook had surpassed MySpace as

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Speaker 1: that tends to be where you exist forever. July twenty eighth,

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Speaker 3: I was attagged by some idiot from out here in.

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Speaker 4: The projects, Dodson says. An attacker used a garbage can

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Speaker 4: Dodson struggled with her attacker, knocking over items in her bedroom.

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously we have a rapist in linked Park.

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Speaker 1: clip sets a record for streams on waft forty eighth

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Speaker 1: news clip to YouTube. Remember this was before most local

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously, we have a rapist in Lincoln Park.

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Speaker 6: He's climbing a windows.

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Speaker 7: These nineteen young people a channel right from Zayani.

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Speaker 4: Agacas, Paja wife, Hjukids, Taja wife, Aha, Kaids, the.

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Speaker 1: Dots and siblings. Your sixteenth minute starts. Now, this was

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Speaker 1: Antoine Dodson, who came to her aid. Internet history doesn't

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Speaker 1: really regard it that way, and I'm going to take

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Speaker 1: the Gregory Brothers clip, which is called bed Intruder's Song

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Speaker 1: All Caps, three exclamation points, mind You, has one hundred

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's very possible to become an Internet

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Speaker 1: shattering conflicts from these still active Facebook users in the

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Speaker 1: boomer contingency are unlikely to migrate anywhere else. Things weren't

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Speaker 1: like this in twenty ten, and the why is a

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Speaker 1: five and a half billion current Internet users. The tools

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Speaker 1: very differently now, as we're going to explore in the

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Speaker 1: us what they think they can profit from sales sure, engagement, yes,

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Speaker 1: an attention economy. Let's keep moving. I say it because

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Speaker 1: to go. The Gregory Brothers had been posting to YouTube

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Speaker 1: News and was later changed to Songify This, and they

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Speaker 1: still do it today. The most recent Gregory Brothers video

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Speaker 1: At this time. The Gregory Brothers had had one previous

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Speaker 1: Vasquez reacting to a double rainbow. The Gregory Brothers remix

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Speaker 1: sounded like this, Wow, that's.

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Speaker 6: A fool rainfall all the way double rainfall. Oh my god,

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Speaker 6: Dobo rainfall.

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Speaker 1: So at the time bede Intruder dropped, the group's success

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Speaker 1: I too love corn Kid. So the Gregory Brothers have

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Speaker 1: remained very attuned to who makes a viable internet character,

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Speaker 1: But bed Intruder made the Brothers and Antoine Dodson very

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Speaker 1: very famous. The first bet Intruder remix video did huge numbers.

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Speaker 1: arrow we're in. After that, the Gregory Brothers released a

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Speaker 1: that was for sale on iTunes. This was when iTunes,

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Speaker 9: Was committed on a five hundred block of Webster Drive.

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Speaker 6: in that.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the world knows, but here locally in Huntsville

435
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Speaker 9: is like, Okay, it's a joke. Everybody taking it to

436
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Speaker 9: be a joke. It's funny to them. You know what

437
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Speaker 9: I'm saying, I'm making their city look bad. I'm making

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Speaker 9: their community look bad.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back, I got to speak with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Antoine Dodson. Welcome back to sixteenth minute. I am

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Speaker 1: a white woman with brown hair. So when I reached

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Speaker 1: out to Antoine Dotson, I was not sure what to expect,

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I most wanted to speak to Kelly Dodson,

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Speaker 1: who had never been centered in a story about her

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00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: reporting and attempted assault. But Kelly has historically resisted the limelight,

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00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: which is an active agency in itself. There's no way

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00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: to contact her online at present. Antoine, however, did reply,

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Speaker 1: and we caught up not just about his history as

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00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: an internet celebrity, but about his whole life. So just

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Speaker 1: so you're aware, this interview was over two hours long,

451
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Speaker 1: so it's been edited for length and clarity, and I'll

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Speaker 1: do my best to fill you in on what Antoine

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Speaker 1: and I discussed between clips. On that note, I'm also

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Speaker 1: going to place a trigger warning here for child sex

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Speaker 1: abuse as well. Here are some of our talks.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm a Twyna Dawson.

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Speaker 5: I became famous from the local integod that I did

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00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 5: here in Huntsville where my sister was attacked and the

459
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Speaker 5: tutor came into her home.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's how the fans know me.

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00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: What is life like for you right now? You're you're

462
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: back in Huntsville for now?

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Speaker 5: Up here, it's pretty you know this the South is

464
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: pretty laid back. You know, they got the country by

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Speaker 5: the soul cooking. You know what I'm saying. It's no

466
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 5: paparazza see here. It's not a lot of work for

467
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 5: entertainment here, so it's pretty laid back.

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Speaker 1: There is most of your family still in Huntsville as well?

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Speaker 6: No, most of my family is still in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: I'm originally from Chicago, and I moved to Huntsville in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and four, and most of my family stayed back.

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Speaker 5: And I'm the oldest of nine kids. Five of them

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Speaker 5: and myself. We moved here in Huntsville with our moms.

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Speaker 6: As far as back I can remember, I was probably

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Speaker 6: about five or six around that age.

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Speaker 5: Well, my mother's mother, she was getting sick and she

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00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 5: had diabetes, which like gave her gang green.

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Speaker 6: So she had to get her legs amputated.

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Speaker 5: So of course with that she had to go into

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Speaker 5: a nursing home, and so my mama was left out

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Speaker 5: there to fend for herself with two kids. So when

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Speaker 5: my grandmother went to the nursing home, I remember my

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 5: mama putting packing me and my sister a bag, and

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Speaker 5: I remember putting us on the CTA of public transportation

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Speaker 5: in Chicago, and she sat down with us and have

486
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Speaker 5: this long like when you get to this house, don't

487
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 5: touch nothing, don't say nothing. You stay close to me,

488
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Speaker 5: don't break nothing, don't ask for nothing. You know how

489
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: parents do before they they tell you, because this is

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Speaker 5: where we're going to be staying, so you don't want

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Speaker 5: to you just don't want to do a lot.

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Speaker 6: So she gave us this whole list of things of

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Speaker 6: not to do.

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Speaker 5: And so when I got to the house, but you

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Speaker 5: know how you get this eerie feeling about something. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like I always called it the candy Cane House because

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Speaker 5: it was red and white, and it was our big

498
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: Mama and another part of our family, and.

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Speaker 6: I just remember it being real eerie, and.

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Speaker 5: I walked into the backyard where all the family was

501
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 5: that outside it was drinking and smoking, loud, a whole

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00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 5: bunch of folks out there, clowning and stuff.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, we being I think I was five,

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00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 6: but me, oh, you're little, Okay, I was little because

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Speaker 6: this is the beginning of all that trauma.

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Speaker 1: Once he, his mother and Kelly moved into this pretty

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Speaker 1: large communal family situation in Chicago. Kevin That's what I'm

508
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: going to call him, because that's what he usually goes by.

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00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Antoine is his middle name. Kevin was sexually abused by

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00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: his uncle repeatedly, and like many survivors of child sexual abuse,

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Speaker 1: he was afraid and confused and did not report what

512
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Speaker 1: was happening to his mom. He told me that this

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00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: abuse continued for years.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, this happened from six years old all the

515
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: way up until I was fourteen when I ran away

516
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 5: tried to commit suicide.

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Speaker 6: Behind it and everything.

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00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: It was because my grandmother is the big my mother

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00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: family was mother for the state of Illinois. When she

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00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: had kids coming in and out. Kids will come in

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00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 5: and out of the house, different kids.

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Speaker 6: And she didn't want them.

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Speaker 5: She'd send them back there, send out and do set

524
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 5: of kids, you know, like that type of house, basically

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: a foster hall.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Oh yeah, it was bad.

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00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 5: It was really bad. A lot of things happened. Yeah,

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00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 5: I tried to commit suicide. The same thing happened to

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Speaker 5: my sister, but at the time I didn't know, So

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Speaker 5: I didn't know with kelly Ce, I didn't know that

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Speaker 5: that was happening to her until we got older. We

532
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: started drinking and conversations bring people bringing up old wounds, right,

533
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 5: and then I found out.

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Speaker 1: Kevin told me that his childhood was marked by abuse

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00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: and attempts to run away, as well as struggling to

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00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: navigate him his own personal sexuality, and that this led

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Speaker 1: to depression and hospitalization.

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Speaker 5: I found one of my uncle's pills. I took the

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00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: whole bottle in the bathroom. I locked the door, and

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00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 5: that's why I passed out at and so I woke.

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Speaker 6: Up to them knocking up my mother knocking them like Kevin,

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Speaker 6: are you okay in there? Like because my first name

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00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 6: is Kevin. Yeah, So she was like, are you okay? Now?

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Speaker 6: Are you okay? In that? So I waking up and

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Speaker 6: I'm like.

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Speaker 5: Damn, I'm I'm dizzy. My stomach hurt, my head hurt.

547
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: I'm like And so I.

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00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 6: Opened the door.

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Speaker 5: I said, mom, I took all these pills, and so.

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Speaker 6: My mama just immediately started freaking out it. She was like,

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Speaker 6: oh my god, like, why would you do that?

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00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: Like, no, you got to go to the hospital, and

553
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 5: so I can tell them I'm getting real dizzy. So

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00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: everybody was like, take him outside on the front porch,

555
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 5: he needs to get small, which was the worst thing

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Speaker 5: that they could have done, because soon as that air

557
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 5: hit me, I passed out again and I woke up

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Speaker 5: in the ambulance.

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Speaker 6: I get to a hospital.

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Speaker 5: Actually it was the hospital I was born in, Roseland

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Speaker 5: Community Hospital.

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Speaker 6: So some days had went by and it was like,

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00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 6: mister Dodson, we're going to have to release you and

564
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 6: transfer you to another hospital because we've done all we

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00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 6: can here for you.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, damn, this is we're not thinking that

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Speaker 5: they're hitting me to a fucking psych ward.

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00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean again, you're a kid, like, what

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: are you how are you supposed to know?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 5: So I'm thinking I'm getting ready to be released. It

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00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: too the Wonderful Land of Oz.

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Speaker 6: But I ended up going.

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Speaker 5: To the cycle work which was disclosed now but it's

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Speaker 5: called Michaelic's Hospital in Chicago. And so I'm there, and

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00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: so I was there for three days. I guess they

577
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: was doing like observation and watching me recover and stuff.

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00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: So like after three days they said, well, they came

579
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Speaker 5: in said, well, mister Dowson, you're being released. So I'm

580
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: thinking I'm being released to go home. And so they

581
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 5: were saying like we're waiting on your We notified your

582
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Speaker 5: mother and waiting on her to come in. So when

583
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Speaker 5: my mama came in, they didn't tell her that they

584
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Speaker 5: wanted her to sign a release to put to commit me.

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Speaker 5: And so my mama said, oh, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not committing my son. And so the nurse said, man,

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00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: we just actually we was doing it out of courtesy,

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Speaker 5: but we really don't need your permission because just have

589
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Speaker 5: to go in. Really, yeah, they didn't need my consent.

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Speaker 5: I guess the fact that I tried to commit suicide

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00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 5: and did back then there. It's called DCFS, the Department

592
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: of Children and Family Services, Okay, and so yeah, so

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00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: they didn't need her permission, so they took me to admit, well,

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Speaker 5: they really feel more crazy, you know what I'm saying,

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 5: Like I told them what happened. I explained to them like, hey,

596
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: I only did this shit because I hurt somebody and

597
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 5: I'm being hurt in the same way and then it's

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00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: from my family. But nobody believed me, and the hospital

599
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: did not believe me so much so that like when

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 5: I would act out. You know how we kids are

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Speaker 5: when they when you don't believe a kid, they begin

602
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Speaker 5: to act out. Yeah, so I began to act down

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Speaker 5: and stuff, and they will put me a straight jacket,

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Speaker 5: shoot me in my ass next, so I couldn't move

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Speaker 5: like it was. It was a I'm telling you, this

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Speaker 5: ship is very traumatic, you know. It's just it was

607
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: really bad. But eventually, after being there for like two

608
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: or three months, I realized In the last month, I

609
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 5: told myself, now I gotta fake it until I make

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00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 5: it because me clown in here fighting everybody is not

611
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: going to keep me here.

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Speaker 6: So I learned that, Okay, I'm gonna be more calm.

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Speaker 5: As soon as I get out of here and I

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00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: get to my mama house, I'm running away.

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Speaker 6: I had created this whole plan in my head.

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Speaker 1: Once he was released, Kevin did soon run away from

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Speaker 1: the house, only to be returned by the police after

618
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: not being able to connect with his godmother. After this,

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Speaker 1: he says that the abuse from his uncle escalated and

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Speaker 1: that he was also trafficked to friends of his uncle

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Speaker 1: as a teenager. This was in addition to his sometimes

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Speaker 1: needing to buy his own food when the matriarch of

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Speaker 1: the house wouldn't let him and Kelly eat regular meals.

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Speaker 1: And it's here where Antoine comes into the mix.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so in my mind all is going on with

626
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 5: my uncles. This is how I'm providing for myself to eat.

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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 5: So when you're in a situation like that, you become

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00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: very creative. You started creating. For one I had to

629
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: create a hustle. I had to make sure that when

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00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 5: my grandmother and them said that we couldn't eat, I

631
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 5: had to find a way to eat. So me and

632
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: my cousin because they did my cousins like that, and

633
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 5: there it was a lot of us cousins. So what

634
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 5: we would do is like what we had this twenty

635
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: four hour grocery store. So we would do we would

636
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: set up shop in the basement and we'll say, hey,

637
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: we're going to send you to go and get the

638
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: snacks and the stuff, and we're gonna be on the lookout.

639
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 5: So that's how we used to do it. We all

640
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: used to take turns not to mention, like when I

641
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: wanted to. I created Antoine in my head, like when

642
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 5: my uncle used to get on top of me and stuff.

643
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 5: I would go places in my mind because my family

644
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 5: called me Kevin. But I knew that Kevin came with

645
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 5: a lot of pain, a lot of trauma. He was

646
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 5: very angry, would snap off in a heartbeat. So I

647
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: had to create a personality outside of that that brought

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00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: me hope and you know, joy and peace. Like yeah,

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Speaker 5: And so I created this this Antoine Dots character and

650
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: Antoine Dice and he was fun He was funny.

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Speaker 6: He made everybody laugh. You know. I had to.

652
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: Create this person to get out of this darkness. And

653
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 5: this is why people know me today as Antoine Docton.

654
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 5: He still lives in me and everybody say, like, oh,

655
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: Antolia's so funny and stuff like that. You have to

656
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: create this person out of pain. I didn't create this

657
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 5: person because I loved him, you know what I'm saying.

658
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: I didn't create this person to be a content creator.

659
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: I created this person.

660
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 6: To escape reality. I thought Antoine was a celebrity. I

661
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 6: thought that, even from a kid.

662
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: Like I would walk down the street and have my

663
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: fake bodyguards behind me. You know, I would do my

664
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 5: head like I do my old hair. I just really created.

665
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 6: This person to be this funny, comical person.

666
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: Right. So finally, Kevin ran away to live with his

667
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: godmother for a few years to escape this cycle of abuse,

668
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: and the first person he told that he was leaving

669
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: for good was his younger sister, Kelly.

670
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 6: We just got mistreated a lot.

671
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: They treated us so bad, and it got to the

672
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 5: point where I had talked to Kelly when I was fourteen,

673
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: and I said, Kelly, I can't do this no more.

674
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 5: I said, Kelly, I can't do this no more. I'm

675
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: tired of taking care of kids. I'm tired of going

676
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: through this shit with this house. I'm tired of having

677
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: to go still to eat. I'm so tired of I'm

678
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 5: just tired of everything. And I just up and left,

679
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 5: up and left and I never looked back.

680
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: And around his eighteenth birthday, a family member reached out

681
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: to Kevin, Kelly, their mother, and their siblings, and suggested

682
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: a move to Huntsville, Alabama, where she lived.

683
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: Because my mother, when I was in Chicago, my mama

684
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: used to go to school for hair, and so they

685
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 5: didn't want to be bothered with.

686
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 6: Me and my sister.

687
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 5: So after school they would make me and my sister

688
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: walk to my mother's castel line. And that's how we

689
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: learned how to do hair. Yeah, So from eighteen to

690
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: twenty four in Huntsville, that's what.

691
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 6: I was doing. I was doing hair. I was fried,

692
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 6: dying land head.

693
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 5: To the side, like I was making money doing that

694
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 5: for everybody. And so, and I was in college for

695
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 5: cosmetology and this is in management at Virginia College in Huntsville.

696
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: And then it happened. The day before the assault in

697
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: twenty ten, Kevin and Kelly had gotten into a petty

698
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: sibling argument which led to Kelly punching Kevin and him

699
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: leaving the house in annoyance. The whole family had just

700
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: bought a bunch of frozen meat that was in Kelly's freezer,

701
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: and so the story really begins when Kevin returns for

702
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: his meat the next day.

703
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: And so the next day, I'm laying on my freend

704
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 5: couch and I'm like, damn, I forget I got them

705
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: steaks over there. So I'll way back over to Kelly house.

706
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 5: I walked right in the house. I didn't say shit

707
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: to nobody. I just walked in her kitchen. And you

708
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: know she had those cheap dollar store frying pans that

709
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: burn in a heartbeat.

710
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 6: So I'm cooking the.

712
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: Steaks on her stove in her kitchen and the gilly

713
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: is burning. It's smoking the house out. So I put

714
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 5: the window in the kitchen. I cracked the window so

715
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: it can ventilate the smoke. Now I got my hair

716
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 5: just like how this is.

717
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 6: So I'm taking my.

718
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 5: Hair down, like what the hell are you.

719
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 6: Doing in my house? And say the back said girl,

720
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 6: I was yesterday news. I'm over that shit. You don't

721
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 6: gotta apologize, girl, fuck you. Let me take my hair

722
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 6: down and eat my damn steak.

723
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 5: So I'm taking my hair down and asked her how

724
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 5: the red bandana came about? Because my hair I had

725
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: just took.

726
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 6: My head down.

727
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Okay.

728
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 6: So I fell asleep on Kelly Couch.

729
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: I fell asleep on Kelly Counch and I heard I

730
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 5: was talking to my Auntie in Florida and we was

731
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: on Facebook. I had made some crazy ass poster. We

732
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: talking shit and she's like, you ain't no celebrity. So

733
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe you know almost in my bodyguard. They

734
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: don't play that shit about me. They're gonna come and

735
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: get you. They're gonna find you in Florida. This is

736
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: the conversation. This happened hours before the attack. I remember

737
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 5: this was like one one o'clock in the morning.

738
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 6: Okay, But but as I'm.

739
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 5: Laying down, I keep laying the phone on my chest,

740
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 5: and when the phone vibrated on my chest, I lift

741
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 5: it up and I text on Auntie. Well, I guess

742
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: I fell into a deep sleep and I started hearing

743
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 5: the screaming and Holland in.

744
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 6: My sleep, and I'm like, what the hell?

745
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: So I opened my eyes and the screams it's still continuing.

746
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: So I'm like, what the fuck. It's pitch dark. The

747
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: only thing that's going is the TV. And you know,

748
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 5: back in those days, we had the DVD.

749
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 6: DVD players, and you know, when you don't play a

750
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 6: DVD after so long.

751
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: You know how TikTok logo bounce on the screen d

752
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 5: I did, which gave a little.

753
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 6: Light yeah in the room. Okay, So I jumped up immediately.

754
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 5: I'm hearing her stream, and I'm seeing my other two

755
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 5: sisters and my niece and my mother in the hallway.

756
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 6: They out, They freaking out so bad I'm talking about

757
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 6: it was I was the only mail in the house.

758
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 6: It was so bad. So I bust open the door

759
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 6: and I seen a.

760
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: Silhouette because the street light had shined in her window

761
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 5: and so you could see the silhouette. I could see

762
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 5: her silhouette on the ground, and I could see the

763
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: silhouette of a man on top of her, looking like

764
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 5: he had his hands around her neck.

765
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

766
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: At that time, I kept really long. I keep long,

767
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 5: thinking that were growing them now. So I just automatically

768
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: took all my nails and I dug them in his shoulder,

769
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 5: and I snatched them and pulled them off and swung

770
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: them into the hallway. And that's when he did this

771
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: little basketball move and went under my arm and ran

772
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: in the kitchen.

773
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 6: Remind you, we're on the second floor.

774
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm not thinking that he is jumping out

775
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 5: of a window.

776
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 6: I'm thinking he is gonna go get a weapon. We

777
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 6: all get it under the guy today. So I go

778
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 6: in the kitchen. I'm like, y'all, go in the room.

779
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 6: Go in the room, lock the boors, call the police.

780
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: So I'm getting ready to go into the kitchen, but

781
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: I realized that my other sister has been trying to

782
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 5: escape out of the apartment. So I'm like, oh my god,

783
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: now she's stuck here. So I grab her and I

784
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: take her in the other room and I get on

785
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 5: the phone and call the police. I said, there is

786
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: somebody in his house. I'm in the house with a

787
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: whole bunch of screaming and hollering freaked out women and

788
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: girls and everybody freaked out.

789
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 6: And they was like, well, we're on.

790
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: The phone with your other sister right now, but we

791
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 5: can't be in the phone with both of y'all.

792
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: I said, well, you can get off the phone with me,

793
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 6: stay on the phone and try to comfort her because

794
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 6: they're freaking out.

795
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: And so at this point, everyone still thinks that he's

796
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: in the house, but he's actually jumped out the window

797
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: and no one knows it yet. Okay, that's so, I

798
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: mean it and it's the middle of.

799
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 6: The night, right two o'clock in the morning, two thirty morning.

800
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

801
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: Okay, so we see the police. The police pull up,

802
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 5: but they didn't pull up with no lights, no nothing.

803
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 6: All they got. All you see is a bunch of flashlights. Okay,

804
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: going around. So that was my chance.

805
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 5: So I opened the door. I said, Jade, and you're safe.

806
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 5: I said, stay here, you're safe. I'm going to go

807
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 5: let the offices in.

808
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

809
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: I have to walk past the kitchen to get to

810
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 5: the front door.

811
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 6: So I opened the door. I said, he's in the kitchen.

812
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 5: Oh okay, get there, motherfucking m.

813
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: They go in the kitchen and come to find out

814
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: the window is wide open. I prepared myself to die

815
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 6: that night because I knew I.

816
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: Had to protect my sisters, and people don't understand the

817
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 5: feeling that you get when you're preparing to to die.

818
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 5: I knew that he had with that to get a

819
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 5: weapon or anything like that, because it's just not registering

820
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 5: that this dude had jumped out the whole window. And

821
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: I blame myself for it, because remember I told you

822
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: I was cooking. I had left the stack window open.

823
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 5: He used the garden to see the garbage can to

824
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: get in the window.

825
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: Right. How is how is how is Kelly at this?

826
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because she also has to like protect her daughter,

827
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: she was attacked. How was she in those moments?

828
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 6: Oh?

829
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: I had mad and my sister she is She's a

830
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 5: true She's a street girl. She is a hooded girl.

831
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 5: So when I see the fear in her, and everybody

832
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: just shaped it profusely, like it was so I had

833
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 5: never seen my family that scared in my life, and

834
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: I just.

835
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 6: Thaked the police.

836
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: I was just so happy. I was like, thank y'all

837
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: for coming to say my family and stuff like that.

838
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 5: And they escorted us off. But you know, I'm a

839
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 5: I watched for Rigid Files.

840
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 6: I watched first forty eight. I said, I said, I

841
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 6: got some skin.

842
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 5: You know, I started, baby shit, I'm like, I got

843
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 5: skinned under, I got his skins under my nails.

844
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: He like his.

845
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: T shirt in the house and the T shirt was

846
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 5: wet from his sweat. So I'm like, I got t shirt.

847
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 5: Figure prison off from the window still, And so I went,

848
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 5: you know, back in those days, we used the Yellow Pages. Yeah,

849
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 5: so I'm sitting there going through the yellow Pages trying

850
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: to find an investigatorm.

851
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 6: You teckt his nud I went and straight to take them.

852
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 6: I was up that hole.

853
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: They escorted us off the property at about threeter four o'clock.

854
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 6: Okay. So we all go to the house that I

855
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 6: was staying at at the time.

856
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

857
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 5: And so I'm sitting there going through the yellow fagers,

858
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 5: looking for an investigator.

859
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 6: Looking for an investigator.

860
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: Finally I'm calling everybody and one man and he called

861
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: me back and he was like, hey, oh my god,

862
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: I heard your the voicemail, and I want to come

863
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: and get the You don't have to worry about no

864
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: money or nothing like that.

865
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 5: I want to come and get the evidence. I said, yes,

866
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 5: come on, I meet you at the apartment. So later

867
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 5: on that day, remind you I was calling local newspeople too,

868
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: because I'm like, I just cannot rest, you know what

869
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 5: I'm saying, until this gets handled.

870
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 6: But nobody's answering me from WFF.

871
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 5: So when I get to the house the investigator who

872
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 5: was up now at the time of the investigator pulling up,

873
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: now the neighborhood is everybody upset. Now everybody's saying like, oh,

874
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: this ain't happening to you. Y'all got here, y'all the

875
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: trouble make y'all bringing this dropping to the neighborhood. So

876
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 5: I'm arguing back and forth with the neighbors. So as

877
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: that is all this all this is happening at the

878
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 5: exact same time I'm arguing with the neighbors, I got

879
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 5: the detective pulling up with the local news station, and

880
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: I got the church bus telling me, hey, here's a flyer,

881
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 5: which the paper I had.

882
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 8: In my hand.

883
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 5: They like, here's the fire for you to go to church.

884
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: You know, you can bring the kids and stuff like

885
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 5: all this is going on.

886
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: So how how did the local news find out who? Like,

887
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: how did they find out?

888
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 5: The detective was cool with Elizabeth Gentle And I guess

889
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: he said, hey, this is a story that this dude

890
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: is like he owned one, like you know, I was

891
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 5: you know, when I talk, I speak with my body expression,

892
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, you know, And so I

893
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: guess he felt that and he heard my voicemail and

894
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: he like, oh, yeah, you might want to cover this story.

895
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 5: So she's coming with a white So while I'm arguing

896
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 5: with the neighbor and Elizabeth walking up to me, and

897
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 5: she's like and so do you want to say anything

898
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: about what happened last night?

899
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 6: So and the lady.

900
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: Still talking shit on the side, So I look, I said, yeah, hell,

901
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: obviously I wasn't talking to to be truthfully honest, I

902
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: was talking in response to the neighbor.

903
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 6: So the camera was on.

904
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 5: It was so easy for me to be like, well, obviously,

905
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: when you get through running yo mouth, y'all need to

906
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 5: hide your kids. How'd your wife and hid your husbins too?

907
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 5: Because they're greating everybody out here. Because what people don't

908
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 5: know is the very next day that same person tried

909
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 5: to break into another person's house and do the very

910
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 5: same thing, only.

911
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 6: She had a boy there who had a gun.

912
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a question. That's a thing that I mean,

913
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. I'd love to talk to

914
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: Kelly at some point as well, because it's like there's

915
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: so many different versions of who this person was, what

916
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: his relationship was to everybody, like in your from from

917
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, like who who? Who was it?

918
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to say I only said this a couple

919
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 5: of times because I felt like it really didn't matter,

920
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 5: But now that I'm older, it does matter. So a

921
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 5: couple of days before. Remind you, my sister had just

922
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: moved in this apartment.

923
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 6: She wasn't even there a month. Okay, So but a

924
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 6: person that we had.

925
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 5: Already knew that was out there had came and knocked

926
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 5: on my sister door and said, you know, they've been

927
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 5: talking about running in your shit. They said, you you

928
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 5: booming too hard, like you move into hard, you push

929
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 5: in too much weight, and stuff like that, like they

930
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 5: talked about coming in here robbing y'all or whatever. So

931
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 5: of course nobody is paying attention to nothing like that

932
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: because you look at it is like, oh, this is

933
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 5: some hate and shit, not thinking that it's going to

934
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: actually happen, because a couple of days later after that visit,

935
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 5: it really did happen.

936
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: Kevin admits he can't prove who he Kelly or anyone

937
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: suspected was the man who assaulted her, but it wasn't

938
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: a question. The public had a lot of interest in

939
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: at the time as it was, but he and his

940
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: sister's lives changed pretty immediately once the news clip aired.

941
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 6: It A benefit almost destroyed us. I'm not gonna lie.

942
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: What is that experience, like when do you start to

943
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: realize like this is a this is a thing.

944
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 6: Okay.

945
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 5: So after I did the view with Elizabeth Gentles because

946
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 5: that was in the morning time, yes, And so later

947
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 5: on that night it aired on local TV, and so

948
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 5: everybody was hitting me up on Facebook and text me

949
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, I just see your interview on

950
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 5: the news. Boy, that's crazy. Is it bore you crazy?

951
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 5: Didn look and I'm like, I don't find this shit.

952
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 6: Funny, Like what is funny about it? You know what

953
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like.

954
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 5: This is still fresh for y'all, still scared, you know,

955
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: still looking over our shoulders, not to mention the endless

956
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 5: nightmare that I had to go through with my family,

957
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 5: them having dreams about them coming in. You gotta be

958
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: blocking all the doors and the windows, and like it

959
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 5: changed our life. So it aired that night, so I'm like, okay, cool,

960
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 5: it's cool. And then somebody hit me up and was like, oh,

961
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 5: they put it on YouTube. You got three hundred and

962
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: sixteen views.

963
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, wait, what three hundred and sixty views. I'm like, damn,

964
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 6: people really watching me like that.

965
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 5: So I'm on YouTube, I'm watching it, and the next

966
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 5: thing i know, I'm watching it.

967
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 6: It's five thousand views.

968
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 5: Ten thousand views, fifty thousand views, five hundred thousand views.

969
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 5: I said, oh my god, like, it is so many

970
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: people watching this shit, Like yeah.

971
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 6: But why you know what I'm saying.

972
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, I started getting people and

973
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 5: boxing me. They were saying like, Hey, I.

974
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 6: Want to bring you to my.

975
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: Can you come up making appearance here? We'll pay you,

976
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 5: We'll set you up in hotels and stuff. So I'm thinking, like,

977
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 5: what the fuck is going on? Like I'm so confused

978
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 5: as like what is happening because this is all has

979
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 5: happened in one day. So I'm like, so I'm like,

980
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 5: what is going I'm like freaking out.

981
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 6: And then everybody.

982
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: I had a couple of people reaching out to me

983
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 5: trying to manage me and stuff like that, and so

984
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 5: I was like this one person had hit me up

985
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 5: and was like, if you cannot meet your manager, if

986
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 5: you can't meet a person in person and sit down

987
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: and have dinner or coffee or lunch with them, then

988
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 5: they shouldn't be a manager.

989
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I was like, damn. So I ended

990
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 6: up meeting with.

991
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 5: This one particular guy who which was Richard figure Rover,

992
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 5: my first manager, and we went to a coffee shop,

993
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 5: and he was like, look over the place in Huntsville.

994
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 5: And so he was like, I want to represent you.

995
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 5: You're everywhere, everybody talking about you. I think you need

996
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: the proper management. Not to mention that he was going

997
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 5: to the projects looking for me and stuff, trying to

998
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 5: find me because he felt like.

999
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: Where did he come from? Like where was he based?

1000
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 5: He was already based in Huntsville. See, these are the

1001
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 5: people who, uh, these are the people who was like

1002
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 5: managing Naomi Campbell and stuff like that. Naomi Campbell's old

1003
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 5: manager who was best Boat. She was born in Huntsville

1004
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 5: and so she was a supermodel back in her day.

1005
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: And so of course she the one who discovered Naomi

1006
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 5: did actually Christians.

1007
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 6: First photos and all these people.

1008
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: So it was it was a no brainer to go

1009
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 5: with a person who was already familiar with management.

1010
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: How soon after the clip airing does all of that?

1011
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: How is it pretty instantaneous?

1012
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 6: It was immediately.

1013
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 5: It was like when I did the interview that morning

1014
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 5: and with the investigator, by twelve o'clock that same night,

1015
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 5: I was already being talked about. And so the next

1016
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 5: day that's when I started getting everybody hitting me up.

1017
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 5: And they loved the video and wanted me to come

1018
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 5: and make appearances and stuff like that, and the song

1019
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 5: had not been created yet. This is still I was, yeah,

1020
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 5: I was already huged for the song. And so when

1021
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 5: they did I guess the Gregory Brothers they did a.

1022
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: Clip of the song, and I was mad. I'm not

1023
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 6: gonna lie. I was mad than the motherfucker because I

1024
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 6: thought I thought that they were making fun, you know,

1025
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 6: because we're still traumatized, you know what I'm saying.

1026
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 5: It was just all in a couple of days time.

1027
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: I think the clip came out like a week later, okay.

1028
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 6: And they had such.

1029
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 5: A good response to it, like a heavy response. They

1030
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 5: came to they said, hey, we want to create a

1031
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 5: whole song.

1032
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. We want to make should

1033
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 6: you get compensated.

1034
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 5: We want to split the split everything fifty to fifty.

1035
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 5: And we went into contract and they did the whole song.

1036
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 5: And once that song came out, better to to became

1037
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 5: a life of its own.

1038
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: We were going to take a quick break and be

1039
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: back with Kevin Antoine Dodson after this. Welcome back to

1040
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: sixteenth minute. Here is part two of my interview with

1041
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Antoine Dodson. It's not like there's really anyone to

1042
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: turn to to be like, well, this is how it's done,

1043
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: Like you kind of have to improvise as you go, right,

1044
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: Like there's no.

1045
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: Right and that's what And that's the hard time that

1046
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 5: I have because I just did a video just recently

1047
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 5: that went viral, and they still talking about they said

1048
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 5: that virul, that video go virul every other day. But

1049
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 5: they were saying like, oh, he didn't take his lemons

1050
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 5: and make lemonade. But what people don't understand that I

1051
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 5: was the first viral person to.

1052
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 6: Go viral like that. So they didn't know how to

1053
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 6: market me. They and I had so many networks. They

1054
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 6: would tell me like, we don't know what to do

1055
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 6: with you. This has like never happened before. We don't

1056
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 6: know how to market you. We don't know where to

1057
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 6: place you.

1058
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 5: All I know is that everybody wants you, but we

1059
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 5: don't know what to do with you. And after hearing that, hell,

1060
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 5: I didn't even know what to do with myself at

1061
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 5: the time, right, But they swear people sweat up and

1062
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 5: down like they act like I had the guide.

1063
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 6: To thing and I didn't. We did not know what

1064
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 6: to do.

1065
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 5: So when it all boils down, it was like we

1066
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 5: can no longer go to Kelly's house because like fans

1067
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 5: would pull up, they would be out there waiting for

1068
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: hours like we had because we were still cool with

1069
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 5: the neighbors, and the neighbors. They was getting upset. They're like, man,

1070
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 5: it's chaos out here, like all these people pulling up

1071
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: and droves. You had people flying from flying from other

1072
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: cities and states. You had people driving in coming to

1073
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 5: that apartment I'm talking about. It was like a museum

1074
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 5: to them. So I sat with myself and I said,

1075
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 5: you know what, I can make something out of it.

1076
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 5: If these people are asking me to come here and

1077
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 5: there for some money, I can move us out of

1078
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: this situation. So I'm telling my family this year, and

1079
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 5: they're like, no, I don't think you should do it.

1080
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 5: I think this is dangerous and stuff like that. I'm like, y'all,

1081
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 5: I don't care what y'all say.

1082
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 6: I'm finna do it. I'm finna take these trips.

1083
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: I'm finna sign this contract with this manager because I

1084
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 5: feel like they can help me and put this into perspective.

1085
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 6: They can help.

1086
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 5: Organize I don't know what I'm doing right, so and

1087
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 5: that's how that happened. So I just went on and

1088
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 5: start doing my thing.

1089
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: How did Kelly feel about that at the time?

1090
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 6: How?

1091
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you? Because it's like you guys have

1092
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: to navigate this together as things keep going. How is

1093
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: she dealing with it? How does she feel like? Did

1094
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: she have different instincts from you? Or Yeah?

1095
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 5: If you pay attention to the beginning of all that,

1096
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 5: me and Kelly was traveling together, we had did toss

1097
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: point oh together, We was doing videos together.

1098
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 6: We were doing all types of stuff together.

1099
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 5: But her boyfriend at the time convinced her, like, they're

1100
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 5: making fun of y'all.

1101
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 6: They're not laughing with y'all. They laughing at y'all.

1102
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: And and at the time he had a little money,

1103
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, So it was easy for

1104
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 5: her to.

1105
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 6: Say, Yeah, I'm a ride with this dude. And she

1106
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 6: rode with this dude.

1107
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 5: And I started traveling by myself and she went on

1108
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 5: with her dude and Mama, I mean them, they didn't

1109
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 5: really have nowhere to go. My other siblings and stuff

1110
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 5: didn't have nowhere to go. So I would not stay

1111
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 5: and work. And when I made my first check, I

1112
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 5: put them in the house.

1113
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because I was seeing that coverage from like

1114
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: August of that year where I think you posted that.

1115
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: You know that there's like you have this huge hit

1116
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: on Itune, but you still live in the projects and

1117
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: there's this like dissonance to what's going on. So from

1118
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: your perspective, it's like, capitalize on the moment and improve

1119
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: the families.

1120
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 6: Right right, And that's what I did.

1121
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that makes total sense. So okay, so

1122
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: now you are making I mean, does Bene Intruder kind

1123
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: of become your full time living at that point?

1124
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 6: Ah? Yeah, Oh my god. I couldn't go nowhere. I

1125
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 6: couldn't do nothing, Like.

1126
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 5: It just became everything was about being into every conversation

1127
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 5: I had, everything that was going on, was making deals,

1128
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 5: was getting on the airplane.

1129
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 6: Was living in hotels.

1130
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 5: See, I didn't get me a place to stay right away,

1131
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 5: because now at this time, I'm traveling a lot. Yeah,

1132
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 5: I'm not in the I'm not staying in it. I mean,

1133
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 5: Huntsville no longer did two days, so it's easy for

1134
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: me to either go stay at my manager's house or

1135
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 5: go lay on my mama's couch. And then I'm back

1136
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 5: on the plane.

1137
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1138
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, n In truly became my whole life for

1139
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: two years. See what people failed to realize with me

1140
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 5: and Kelly when I knew the trauma.

1141
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 6: Trauma happened.

1142
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 5: Like I explained, trauma has happened all our lives, so

1143
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 5: we know how to go through some shit, get back up,

1144
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 5: thus ourselves again, off and try again.

1145
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: So it was never the It was never getting over

1146
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 6: the trauma.

1147
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: It was the fact of, you know, having a nightmares

1148
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 5: here at seeing screaming out of her sleep, seeing her

1149
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 5: daughter scream out of her sleep, her mama, screaming out

1150
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 5: of my mama, screaming out of her sleep, my sister.

1151
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 6: It was going through that and how.

1152
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 5: To balance that all out because we're not used to

1153
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 5: they say that.

1154
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 6: Everybody kept saying like, y'all need some serious counseling. You

1155
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. In my mind at the time, it's.

1156
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 5: Like, how could you talk to somebody who don't know you?

1157
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, How could you you know

1158
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 5: which right now?

1159
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 6: Man? You talking? Which is very therapeutic for me.

1160
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I'm getting all this out because

1161
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 5: I rarely talk about the life from Chicago because everybody

1162
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 5: is so focused on twenty ten on up and now

1163
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 5: since so much time has passed by and now everybody

1164
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: is asking, like who is Antoine Dosson? We want to

1165
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 5: know more about Antoine Dowson and I have been in

1166
01:01:52,120 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 5: conversations with Netflix Lifetime because and I don't want to

1167
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: give too many details about my life because I would

1168
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 5: hate to wake up one day and see somebody that

1169
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: did a movie or or.

1170
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Right without your consent.

1171
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, about a story because even though it's trauma,

1172
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 5: it's trauma.

1173
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 6: My life story is good as hell. Kelly life story

1174
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 6: is good as hell.

1175
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you it's going to make somebody a

1176
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 5: lot of money if they get it right right, because

1177
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 5: the narrative was, I don't know if you remember, but

1178
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 5: the narrative was, this was a setup for the same

1179
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 5: we did this to become famous, Like they really thought

1180
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: that we that this was like some type of skit

1181
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 5: and that was another thing that we had to fight,

1182
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 5: and that shit pissed Kelly off.

1183
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, because it's like that's just again discounting

1184
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: this traumatic, violent incident, like that's oh, that makes me

1185
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: so mad. I do remember that being presented, and I

1186
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I went back yesterday and today and like,

1187
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: watch the original clip, and there's so much that I

1188
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is because it didn't end

1189
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: up in the song, but like the more upsetting parts

1190
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: of the clip, like the scene of the crime. Like

1191
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: there's so much included in that report and it's just

1192
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: boiled down to these couple of quotes.

1193
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 5: Right, And see, nobody knew that I talked that, We

1194
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 5: talked to WAFL.

1195
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 6: We was out there for.

1196
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 5: Ours talking back and forth, arguing with everybody, like this

1197
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 5: went on for hours with.

1198
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 6: Investigators and everything.

1199
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 5: But they, you know how we do in the industry,

1200
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 5: they shortened all the clips and that's what she got.

1201
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: How did the investigation? Did the investigation ever resolve?

1202
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 6: As a time?

1203
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 5: As the time went on and then I began to

1204
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 5: work and stuff like that, I can honestly say I

1205
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 5: did kind of drop the ball with the investigation because

1206
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 5: now I'm trying to make this money.

1207
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get us out of the situation.

1208
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 5: I'm trying to because none of us, you know, we

1209
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 5: never really had shit in life, so I was trying

1210
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 5: to get something for them.

1211
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 6: Even if he never got caught.

1212
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 5: I wanted to make sure that I had something for

1213
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 5: us when all this bore down, And yeah, I dropped,

1214
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: We dropped the ball with that.

1215
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean, did it ever feel like during those early

1216
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: years that like you were, I mean that there was

1217
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: like inherent like racism, inherent homophobia to the way that

1218
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: you were being treated by the media.

1219
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh my god, I'm sold.

1220
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.

1221
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk.

1222
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 5: About that, because you know, I was I've always been

1223
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 5: known for hair and shoes.

1224
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 6: You know, I used to get my.

1225
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 5: Hair pressed out and where wigs and we back then,

1226
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: that was not popular.

1227
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 6: They did not want that.

1228
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 5: I had one person who wanted me to be trans,

1229
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 5: like they wanted to put me on the trans side

1230
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 5: of things, and I was like, no, I'm not trans.

1231
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 5: I'm just a limited, flamboyant boy who liked law mail,

1232
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 5: long hare. I like to be a pretty boy. But

1233
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 5: I know that I am a man.

1234
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 6: So they when I did get out here and work

1235
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 6: and stuff, they did not want the long hair. They

1236
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 6: did not want the long nails, they didn't want the

1237
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 6: flamboyant antoine.

1238
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 5: They were not rocking. Fast forward today, you see all

1239
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: these men on the Internet and wigs making a hell

1240
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 5: of a lot of money, and it is approved everybody.

1241
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 6: Uh, what's the word that I'm looking for. It's accepted.

1242
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 5: Everybody is accepting it, and I feel like I'm the

1243
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 5: blueprint of that.

1244
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: To this day. Kevin has a good relationship with the

1245
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: Gregory Brothers. You mentioned that when his mother passed away

1246
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: several years ago, the brothers helped him pay for the funeral.

1247
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: But what I found was interesting were Kevin's reflections on

1248
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: how things have changed online since he became prominent in

1249
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: twenty ten, particularly as it pertains to perception and compensation.

1250
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 5: Well, I see that now do you remember the me

1251
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 5: too movement and stuff like that? See, now it had

1252
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 5: became open because if in twenty ten, will you tell

1253
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 5: somebody that you got raped or sexually started.

1254
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 6: Like, don't tell that. Oh no, my god, don't don't

1255
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 6: don't say that. Don't do that.

1256
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 5: Now you got Diddy being exposed, You got all these

1257
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 5: different celebrities being exposed and stuff talking about it and

1258
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 5: stuff like that. So I like to believe that Benitudor

1259
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 5: and that interview and stuff kind of led to what's

1260
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 5: happening now.

1261
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 6: It starts.

1262
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 5: I believe that Benitudor is starting to bring brought awareness

1263
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 5: to a lot of things that a lot of things

1264
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 5: that was happening.

1265
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: So are you still in touch with the Gregory Brothers? Now?

1266
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 5: See when I did it, just did that INNYW just

1267
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 5: did that video that when viral. People had it in

1268
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 5: their mind that I wasn't getting paid for the song

1269
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 5: and me and the Gregory Brothers we have a good bit.

1270
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 5: See they thought when I did that interview, I was

1271
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 5: not talking about the song because most people use the clip,

1272
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 5: the news clip, which is owned by WAFF, and they

1273
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 5: use my likeness not necessarily the song.

1274
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 6: And that's what.

1275
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 5: I was telling them, Like, look y'all made so much

1276
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 5: money off of that interview.

1277
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. The only money that I

1278
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 6: made off of that interview alone.

1279
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 5: I made sixty thousand dollars off of that interview in

1280
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 5: fourteen years because WFF owns it.

1281
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: So where did that number come from?

1282
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 5: That's the money that I made overall from the interview alone. Like,

1283
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 5: that's not the better the song because with the interview

1284
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 5: with the people don't understand that interview has been in movies,

1285
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 5: it has been in TV shows, it has been in commercials.

1286
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 5: It has been in people's commercials for their businesses, and

1287
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 5: I never seen a diamond back. And I know that

1288
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 5: it generated a lot of money. Yes, And I don't

1289
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 5: know if WFF is getting paid because somebody brought something

1290
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 5: to my attention. They were saying, like, you know, the

1291
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 5: WFF got paid for your video on YouTube when they

1292
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 5: put it on YouTube and got all the millions of things.

1293
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 6: They got to check for that. Yes, I didn't. I

1294
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 6: didn't go viral on my page. I've never went viral

1295
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 6: on my page. I have.

1296
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 5: What people don't understand is I have been going viral

1297
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 5: every other month for the last fourteen years on other

1298
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 5: people's pages.

1299
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 6: And I have watched people make bread. I have watched people,

1300
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 6: and I know that these apps make money. Yea.

1301
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 5: And when you see Antoine Dotson, if you see a

1302
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 5: video of somebody doing Antoine dots and using my likeness

1303
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 5: in that video and you got ten and fifteen million views,

1304
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 5: I know that you're making money from I'm not dumb,

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Speaker 5: of course, I know that.

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Speaker 6: You're making money from that.

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Speaker 5: And nobody stay well, here asy, he's cut, here's a cut,

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Speaker 5: here's five dollars. You know what I'm saying, I appreciate

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Speaker 5: you doing benitudo or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But the Gregory brothers have been have always been.

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Speaker 6: Well, they have always been good to me. I'm still

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Speaker 6: living off of.

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Speaker 5: Banituda song money, okay, and I have a good relationship

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Speaker 5: with them. We travel together when we want to perform.

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Speaker 6: I got to tell you this story real quick. It's

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Speaker 6: so funny. It's quick. So we was.

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Speaker 5: At BT Awards, No, not BT Awards, were at one

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Speaker 5: or sixter part and so you know the Gregory brothers,

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Speaker 5: all of them are brothers and sisters, and yeah, they

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Speaker 5: got a wife that's a part who's sings.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we were in a dressing room. She walked

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Speaker 6: in the dressing rooms.

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Speaker 5: She was like, oh my god, this is such a

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Speaker 5: dream come true to see Bettu And they climbing in

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Speaker 5: your window at BT.

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Speaker 6: Every calling because you know they're white.

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Speaker 5: So it's so funny, like we all all every time

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Speaker 5: we get together.

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Speaker 6: Is like a It was so funny. It was so funny.

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Speaker 1: And in spite of it all, Kevin is still online today,

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Speaker 1: making regular content for TikTok, either commenting on the news

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Speaker 1: or reflecting on his career as an influencer. And if

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Speaker 1: you happen to be a prospective or recovering character of

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Speaker 1: the day. Here's his advice to be.

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Speaker 5: Successful in Internet because I noticed with a lot of

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Speaker 5: internet stars after me, nobody really They burn out very fast,

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Speaker 5: two to three months and they're done. So he's been

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Speaker 5: fourteen years for me because I never shot away from.

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Speaker 6: Who I truly was. You know who I truly am.

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Speaker 5: I always try to stay as close as to who

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Speaker 5: I am as possible because when you start doing all

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Speaker 5: this crazy shit for clicks, you burn out, and then

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Speaker 5: if you don't have to do videos every day all day,

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Speaker 5: you burn out like that.

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Speaker 6: There's a balance to this Internet stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well one, you have to be authentic, and I noticed

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Speaker 5: that everybody is biting off to each other.

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Speaker 6: Everybody is doing the exact same thing, and they're burning out.

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Speaker 6: My advice is be authentic. Be as authentic as.

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Speaker 5: You can possibly be, because that is going to take

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Speaker 5: you far.

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Speaker 1: So talking with Antoine or Kevin as he goes by

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: in his personal life was completely surreal. It wasn't expecting

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Speaker 1: to be starstruck in the way that I was. But

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Speaker 1: he is someone who has lived in my mind for

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: a decade and a half and it's a very particular

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Speaker 1: kind of celebrity encounter. I want to thank him for

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Speaker 1: his willingness to be with me about his childhood as

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Speaker 1: well as his experience becoming Internet famous. And you can

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Speaker 1: check out what he's up to now at the links

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Speaker 1: in the description. Understanding Kevin's life better really helped pull

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Speaker 1: this story into focus for me, But there's still that

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Speaker 1: element that never quite sat well. That the further this

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Speaker 1: story got away from the public, the less we heard

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Speaker 1: about Kelly Dodson. What the fuck is that about? We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about that in part two, Next Time

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Speaker 1: on sixteenth Minute. Sixteenth Minute is a production of Cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media and iHeartRadio. It is written, posted, and produced

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Speaker 1: by me Jamie Loftus. Our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman

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Speaker 1: and Robert Evans. He Amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising

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Speaker 1: producer and our editor. Our theme song is by Sad

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Speaker 1: thirteen and Pet. Shoutouts to our dog producer Anderson, my

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Speaker 1: Kat's Flee and Casper and my pet Rockbird, who will

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Speaker 1: outlive us all. Bye.