1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm John Tucker and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: stories we're following today, the. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Massive year and rally in bonds. In fact, the world's 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: debt market on track to post its biggest two month 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: gain on record. Bloomberg's Cretigoda has more other reasons behind 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the move. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 3: It's a complete when eighty in the markets. As investors 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: around the world become more and more confident that inflation 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: is actually in the rare view mirror, it's creating a 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: massive bet in the bond market that is really unseen historically. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: The momentum that you're seeing in just the last two 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: months has really created this idea that maybe you might 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 3: see rates go even lower in twenty twenty four, not 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: just from the Federal Reserve, but from market participants as well. Swaps, 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: the measure through which traders make bets on the Federal 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Reserve and other central banks around the world, well, they're 18 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: pricing about one hundred and fifty basis points of rate 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: cuts right here in the United States and the UK 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: next year. It's almost one hundred and seventy five basis 21 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: points in the Eurozone. As investor confidence bills, the central 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: banks have done their job, RIGHTO. 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: Brigs Quitty Goop, who says the Bloomberg Global Aggregate Total 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: return indexes risen nearly ten percent over November and December. 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: Well, we turned to equities now, John, and European stocks 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: are hovering near a two year high after the rally 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: seen across Wall Street in Asian markets, and we go 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: to London and get the latest with daybreak, europe banker 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: Stephen Carroll, Stephen. 30 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 4: Thanks, Karen and John. European markets started out the day 31 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 4: with gains, but that positive sentiment has petered out for now. 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 4: The stock six hundred has dipped into the red, along 33 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: with the benchmarks in London, Paris and Frankfurt. Energy among 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 4: the worst performing sectors, Oil majors falling as crude prices retreat. Now, 35 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: trading volumes across Europe are less than half their thirty 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: day average, but the European benchmark is up almost thirteen 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: percent this year, and it's still hovering at its highest 38 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: level since January twenty twenty two. In London, Stephen Carrol 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: Bloomberg Radio. 40 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: All right, thanks Steven. Oil retreating from a one month high. 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: Traders say key technical gauges their flashing weakness amid thin 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: holiday trading, supply risk posed by Yemen based hoothy rebels 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: haven't abated, even as incidents in the Red Seas start 44 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: to slow down. The shipping giant hapag Lloyd says it 45 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: will keep its vessels away from the Red Sea, despite 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: the launch of a US led task force to protect 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the key trade route. Sylvia Westall is Bloomberg's managing editor 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 5: This idea of having a protection for shipping in this region, 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: it actually already exists, as actually already forces based there. 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 5: So I think some of the companies are a bit 52 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 5: confused as to what it will really entail. 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's managing editor, Sylvia Westall says spot rates for a 54 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: container shipping have jumped twenty six percent over the past 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: four weeks. As we check Brent Crue, the international benchmark, 56 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: it is down thirty one cents at seventy nine thirty 57 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: four a barrel. 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: And John Bitcoin is about forty three thousand dollars. It's 59 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: been quite a run for the cryptocurrency we get more 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: with the Bloomberg's Eddie. 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 6: Vanderwald prices went up from about sixteen thousand in the 62 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 6: end of last year to more than forty three thousand 63 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 6: at the moment. That's a rally of one hundred sixty percent, 64 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 6: which you know, in bitcoin land is not uncommon. We 65 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 6: do see these big up moves, but usually that is 66 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 6: you know, associated with a lot of excitement and a 67 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 6: lot of media attention and so on. 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 7: We haven't seen that this year. 69 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 6: What we are seeing though, is as the expectation of 70 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 6: lower rates in the US and elsewhere probably comes to fruition. 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 6: Next year, money becomes cheaper and there's more speculative money around, 72 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 6: and some of that can flow into into assets like bitcoin. 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: And Bloombergy Eddy Vanderwald says optimism over our possible sec 74 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: approved bitcoin ETF is also helping fuel gains. 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Caaren Well Kathy Woods Exchange Traded Funds has executed 76 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: a massive shakeup in its bitcoin related holdings. More from 77 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Jeff Bellinger. 78 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 8: The Arc Next Generation Internet ETF sold all of its 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 8: remaining shares of the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, according to data 80 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 8: compiled by Bloomberg, and on the same day, our investment 81 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 8: management data show that it bought more than four point 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 8: three million shares of pro Shares Bitcoin Strategy ETF, making 83 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 8: it the fund's second biggest holder. Wood has been trimming 84 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 8: her holdings in the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust in recent months, 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 8: even as bitcoin rose to its highest levels since April 86 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 8: of twenty twenty two. Jeff Bellinger Bloomberg Radio. 87 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 7: All right, Jeff, thanks well. 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Apple putting its latest smart watch models back on sale 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: and its US retail stores a's after it went accord 90 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: ruling pausing a US sales ban on its newest models. 91 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: Mark German covers Apple for Bloomberg in California. 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 9: And sin So, what happens now the Apple stores in 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 9: the US did, about two hundred and seventy of them 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 9: began resuming sales of the Series nine and Ultra TiO 95 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 9: that are at the very center of this patent dispute 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 9: with Massoow Thursday about noon Pacific time, the Apple Watch 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 9: Ultra TiO in series line will return to the online stores. 98 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 9: You could buy the model that you'd like from their 99 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 9: online store and then staring on Saturday, all Apple stores 100 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 9: in the US nationwide will begin car the alteratt series 101 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 9: sign again. 102 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: And Bloomberg's Mark German says the ruling now buys the 103 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: company sometime and it's ongoing patent dispute with medical device 104 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: maker Massimo. 105 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: In geopolitical news, the Biden administration that is announced to 106 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: another aid package for Ukraine. Bloomberg's Baxter has the story. 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 10: It is two hundred and fifty million dollars in weapons 108 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 10: and equipment and the final package of the year. It's 109 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 10: drawn from Pentagon stocks, including ammunition for artillery and air 110 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 10: defense systems, as well as anti armor munitions and more 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 10: than fifteen million rounds of small arms ammunition. The DoD 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 10: as well says that Javelin anti tank systems and Stinger 113 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 10: Ata aircraft missiles will be offered. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, 114 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 10: in a statement, said it is imperative the Congress act 115 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 10: swiftly to advance our the US national security interests by 116 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 10: helping Ukraine defend itself. Ed Baxter Bloomberg Radio. 117 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: All right, John, thanks time now for a look at 118 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: some of the other stories making new around the world. 119 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: And from that we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Morris Samy. 120 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Karen. 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 11: A coalition of mayors is asking the federal government to 122 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 11: provide more support to manage the influx of migrants arriving 123 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 11: by bus or plane from Texas. Mayors from New York City, Denver, 124 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 11: and Chicago all say they need help as Texas Governor 125 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 11: Greg Abbott sends more migrants to Democratic led cities. 126 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 7: Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson all of. 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 12: Our cities have reached a point where we are either 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 12: close to capacity or nearly out of room. Without significant 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 12: intervention from the federal government, this mission will not be sustained. 130 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 11: In addition, New York City Mayor Eric Adams has issued 131 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 11: an executive order which requires thirty two hours notice from 132 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 11: charter bus companies transporting migrants to the city. President Biden 133 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 11: is justifying US attacks on targets in Iraq. 134 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 7: Bloomberg's Nancy Lyons reports. 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 13: In a letter to congressional leaders, President Biden says that 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 13: Christmas Day attacks on three installations linked to an Iran 137 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 13: backed insurgent group were necessary to prevent further attacks on 138 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 13: US military personnel. Biden writes that the strikes were intended 139 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 13: to quote degrade, and disrupt attacks on the US and 140 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 13: its partners, and to deter Tehran's proxy forces from conducting 141 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 13: further attacks. The US and its allies are trying to 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 13: keep the Israel Hamas conflict from escalating into a broader war. 143 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 13: In Washington, Nancy lyons Bloomberg Radio. 144 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 11: Residential candidate Nikki Haley is refusing to say that slavery 145 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 11: led to the Civil War. During a New Hampshire town 146 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 11: hall yesterday, a voter asked Haley what was the cause 147 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 11: of the Civil War, and the former South Carolina governor 148 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 11: and ambassador to the UN gave a lengthy response about 149 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 11: the role of government and the rights of the people, 150 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 11: but she never mentioned slavery. 151 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 7: What do you want me to say about slavery? 152 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: I love, argued my question. 153 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 11: Next question, the voter who asked the questions that he 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 11: found it astonishing slavery wasn't even mentioned. US Representative Lauren 155 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 11: Bobert says she's changing districts in Colorado. It's the right 156 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 11: move for me personally, and it's the right decision for 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 11: those who support our conservative movements. Alberta Republican announced on 158 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 11: Facebook she'll move to the fourth congressional district, trying for 159 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 11: the seat vacated by Ken. 160 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 7: Buck, who won't be seeking reelection. 161 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 11: Global News twenty four hours a day and whenever you 162 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 11: want it with Bloomberg News. 163 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 7: Now, I'm Ami Morris. 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Time now for 174 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Sports Update. Here's Dan Schwartzman. Dan, Good morning, 175 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: Karen Stunner in Denver. 176 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 14: As the Broncos have decided that nine time Pro Bowl 177 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 14: quarterback Russell Wilson will be benched starting a Sunday's game 178 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 14: against the LA Chargers, Jared Stidham will get the start. 179 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Head coach Sean. 180 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 14: Payton says it's all about getting a spark on offense. 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 12: Rather than get into the specifics, because I think that 182 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 12: would be unfair today. 183 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 8: It's more about what we're We weren't doing effectively enough offensively, 184 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 8: and you know, when we were getting two or three turnovers. 185 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 15: It's one thing, but. 186 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: You know. 187 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 12: Ultimately our job is to get the ball in the 188 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 12: end zone, and we've got to be more efficient doing that, 189 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 12: all of us. 190 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 14: That's Curtisyebroncos dot Com. Wilson starts the first year of 191 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 14: a five year, two hundred and forty two point six 192 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 14: million dollar extension next year at thirty nine million bit 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 14: guaranteed for twenty twenty four. If Wilson can't pass a 194 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 14: physical in early March, thirty seven. 195 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 7: Million more will be guaranteed. 196 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 14: Week seventeen of the NFL season gets under way, the 197 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 14: Jets on the road in Cleveland facing the Browns. Cleveland 198 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 14: is ten and five, Jets come in at six and nine. 199 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 14: Trevor Simeon gets a star for New York Joe Flaco. 200 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 14: He is a quarterback for the Browns. The finalist for 201 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 14: the Pro Football Hall of Fame class at twenty twenty 202 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 14: four half in announced. First time candidates include Julius Peppers 203 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 14: and Antonio Gates. In the NBA, the Philadelphia seventy six 204 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 14: ers remain hot. They knock off the Magic in Orlando 205 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 14: one twelve to ninety two. Meanwhile, Milwaukee a big one 206 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 14: forty four to one twenty two win over the Brooklyn 207 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 14: Netsianna Santa Tocompo thirty two points, ten rebounds and eight assists. 208 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 14: That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. 209 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 8: I'm Dan Schwartzman. 210 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 15: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 15: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias, exam, the Bloomberg 212 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 15: Business app and Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg day Break, and. 213 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm John Tucker. Good morning. The world's bomb market on 214 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: track to post its biggest two month game on record. Meantime, 215 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: SMP five hundred flirting with a record. Let's get you 216 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: set up for the trading day ahead. We're joined now 217 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: by Tim Craighead Bloomberg Intelligence Senior equities strategists. Hey, equities guy, 218 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Let's start off with Yeah, the debt market. Investors seem 219 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: convinced central banks have won their battle against inflation. What 220 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong? 221 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 16: Tim, Well, I'll tell you it's very apropos to start 222 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 16: off with a bond market if you're talking talking about stocks, 223 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 16: because that's what striving stocks right now. There is no 224 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 16: doubt about it. To the degree that we've seen, whether 225 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 16: it's US, whether it's Europe, around the globe, a big 226 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 16: rally since late October he had equities. It's all about 227 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 16: bond markets. And if you look at expectations of central 228 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 16: bank policy and use the FED as the bell weather, 229 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 16: we've gone from expecting no rate cuts over the course 230 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 16: of the next six to twelve months to where now 231 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 16: you're looking at fifty basis points in six months and 232 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 16: one hundred basis points in a year. And this is 233 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 16: the issue. John. If this doesn't play through, if we 234 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 16: have a change in reference for some inflation spike or 235 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 16: something along those lines over the course in the next 236 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 16: month or two, then this run we've had into year 237 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 16: end across all asset classes is due for one of 238 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 16: these abrupt, volatile changes like we saw a couple of 239 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 16: times in twenty twenty three. That's the risk. 240 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: Hey, looking back on history, how unusual is it to 241 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: see bonds and equities rally at the same time and 242 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: what does that indicate. 243 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 16: It is interesting in that if you look whether it's 244 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 16: in the post pandemic period where you can really dig 245 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 16: into this microscopically over or longer term, quite often you 246 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 16: do see one versus the other. And it's the same 247 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 16: in the equities market, where you see either earnings driving equities, 248 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 16: or you see valuation driving equities, and you know the 249 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 16: corollary there is valuations quite often in stocks are driven 250 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 16: by what's transpiring and interest rates. And you know the 251 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 16: point that you're making here, it is unusual. We've seen 252 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 16: stocks and bonds rip over the course of the past 253 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 16: two months, and granted we're from a depressed level where 254 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 16: you remember back into the depths of the cell off 255 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 16: in October, it was all about uh longer for a 256 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 16: higher for longer from a from a policy rate standpoint, 257 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 16: and then all of a sudden we started seeing better 258 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 16: inflation prints and that whole psychology changed, which allowed the 259 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 16: run up in bonds, which allowed the run up and valuation. 260 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 16: You look at the pe on either US or European 261 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 16: markets and they've they've ramped up a couple of points. 262 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 16: That's a big move, and it's all because of the 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 16: change in bonds. So I think you can find narrow 264 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 16: points of time like this where you see a big 265 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 16: swing and interest rates that does have an immediate impact 266 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 16: in the equities market. And it's all about the valuation connection. 267 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: All right, specific to equities, what right now is the 268 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: bar for earnings moving forward? It's a pretty low barrow, 269 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I would imagine in the US. 270 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 16: Yeah, and I think you're right, and it is a 271 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 16: difference between the US and the European markets. From a 272 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 16: US perspective, we had an earnings recession through late twenty 273 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 16: two into first half of twenty three, and we've started 274 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 16: to see positive revisions coming over the last six months 275 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 16: as we went through the mid year earning season into 276 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 16: the third quarter reporting season, and estimates are still ticking 277 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 16: up in the US. If you look over here where 278 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 16: I'm at in London and Europe, we actually had much 279 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 16: better earnings performance over the course of twenty two into 280 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 16: the first half of twenty three. You'd be surprised. If 281 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 16: you look to the chart on forward earnings expectations for 282 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 16: Europe versus the US. Europe far outperformed over the course 283 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 16: of the last eighteen months, but the last three months 284 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 16: it started to change. We've had negative estimate revisions here 285 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 16: in Europe and that's likely to continue into the next year. 286 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 16: We think that's a big risk factor for the first 287 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 16: half of the year where we are seeing a tick 288 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 16: up in the US, and a lot of that's because 289 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 16: of the TMT space, which was really the cause of 290 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 16: the earnings, recession in the US starting to actually come alive, 291 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 16: and we don't have that crutch. Here. 292 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Daybreak today, your morning brief. 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