1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Hey, what a book of it. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: is All Ball. One of good special late night. 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: Frankly in bed chat about what Joel Clatt said, and 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: you know, obviously by the time when we published this, 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: it's you know, the morning after, Joel Clatt goes on 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: somebody else's podcast and says, this is my hottest take ever. 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: That the NCAA Tournament is a joke. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: And what's amazing about it was he talked about teams 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: playing you a one and done tournament on a neutral 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: site at odd times, and then he just described the 11 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: college football playoff. 12 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Like he literally described. 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: The college fotball playoff. 14 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: They play a one and done tournament on neutral sites 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: at odd times. You know, by the way, no one 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: who's ever lost in the NCAA Tournament has ever blamed 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: the time of day of a game, Joel. So it's 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: just that one's far afield. It's a basketball game. Guys 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: play at all times all year, just like at football 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: ball at times all year. 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: Anyway. 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: But while he actually contradicted his own thought or pointed 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: out that college football has tried to emulate college basketball, 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: which if he thinks that makes his point as well, 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: I don't really get it. I do know the sports 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: are different. I do know the attrition of a Cinderella 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: at the college football level. And you know, even if 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: a Too Lane or James Madison won their game, they're 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: not going to win two because their team's just too 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: beat up. And as thin as any college football roster is, 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: the lower the level, the lower less money, the more 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: the thinner it's going to be. That's just the reality 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: of where we are financially. So, you know, I am 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: I actually think though that the gist of his point 35 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: I've made several times over there is a randomness. There 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 2: is a randomness too to this tournament, and you don't 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: always get the best team to win the championship. 38 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: You just you just don't. 39 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: So, you know, I pointed out for for years that 40 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: the year that Kentucky won the national championship with John 41 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: cal Perry, you know, the two other best teams North Carolina, 42 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Kendall Marshall got hurt. I think they still got to 43 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen and lost to Kansas, But kend Of 44 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: Marshall was healthy the NBA point guard, and he. 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: Was awesome in college. 46 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: They go to the Final four and they take on Kentucky, 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: who they'd lost to, but I think too in the 48 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: regular season, and Syracuse that year was really really good 49 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: and their center didn't play in the NCAA tournament they lost, 50 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: so I think let's think it was the fat mellow year. 51 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: So the point is that the best team doesn't always 52 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: win sometimes about injuries or matchups or things. 53 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: That go bump in the night. 54 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: And there is a randomness the NCAA tournament, no question, 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: And there's going to be a bit less randomness, but 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: still a randomness to a college football playoff. The more 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: times we have the spiny teams, somebody's quarterbacks going to 58 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: get hurt. Something's going to go wrong for a team 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: that's way better than another team in the first round, 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: and most like an injury, and that's gonna that's going 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: to change the tournament and then there'll. 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: Be an upset. 63 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: But the point of it being a silly way and 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: having pool play as the best way, again, he's not wrong. 65 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: It's actually a great idea. 66 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: But I also think he doesn't understand, nor do most 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: people understand why the NCAA tournament is so popular. 68 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: You know what that is? 69 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: People don't all of a sudden love college basketball at 70 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: the end of the season, after liking it and enjoying 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: it during the regular season. 72 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: No, it's the bracket. 73 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: Well, most valuable thing in college athletics is that sixty 74 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: fourteen bracket, because now even when you go and get 75 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: the bracket and fill it out on your own, you 76 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: do realize that that bracket actually contains additional games. But 77 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: they find a way to keep the bracket whole. The 78 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: brackets easy, easy for people to remember, easy for people 79 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: to fill out. It's just enough games, but not so 80 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: much that it wears you down. You don't have to 81 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: know anything to know how to fill out a bracket. 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: The whole thing is absolutely frickin perfect, So Joel's not wrong. 83 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: Like a better way to decide a champion would be 84 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: pool play. Matchups would still be a part of it. 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: Now you'd have to do point differential whatever. Like we 86 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: could argue the NBA is the best way you decide 87 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: a true champion, but the NBA injuries often play a 88 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: part there too. But if you could be a team 89 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: best out of seven, you're a better team. All that said, 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: I don't think even Joel and many people don't understand 91 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: what's really popular about the NCAA tournament. 92 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: Do people like the Cinderellas, Yeah. Do they like the favorites, Yeah? 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: They better than the favorites. They like the Cinderellas. Got it. 94 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: But that's not the reason that the tournament is popular. 95 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: It's not because every come friends gets a bid, although 96 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: I do love the idea of we've got friends getting 97 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: bids and if we're going to expand it, which it 98 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: probably will. Right, here's a good rule of thumb. You ready, Okay. 99 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: If somebody starts an argument with hey, the NBA should 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 2: play less games, that argument is suddenly null and void. 101 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: Somebody says Major League Baseball should pay less games, that 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: argument is null and void. If anybody says there'll be 103 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: fewer games than the NBA season or the NBA playoffs, 104 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: that because it's never going to happen. It's never going 105 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: to happen. All of these games are part of the 106 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: value buy. For example, for CBS and Turner that paid 107 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: all that money. Turner paid eighty percent of the frame. 108 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: So the reason the thing hasn't expanded is my guess 109 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: CBS and Turner they probably have soul rights and don't 110 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: want to increase the fees that much. If at all, well, 111 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: probably modestly, because they'll say, hey, these are just two 112 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: more games or whatever to put on true TV. 113 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: The point is we're never going back. It's not going 114 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: to be less. 115 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: But as the NCAA Tournament expands, the only question that 116 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: the committee would really need to be told is how 117 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: do we fit all these teams into that same sixty 118 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: fourteen bracket? And I think you stack them the way 119 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: you have been, you just do it with different seeds anyway, 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: So Joel's going to take a beating. Everybody's going to 121 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: claim to love the NCAA Tournament and love the cinerellas. 122 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: The ratings don't actually back that statement up. 123 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: He's not wrong. There is some randomness to. 124 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Choose to how we choose a champion that way, but 125 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: there's just as much randomness to college football now. And 126 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: if you don't believe me, I give you Ohio State, 127 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: who last year was not playing great football when they 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: lost to Michigan in the Big Ten Championship or no 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: in the regular season. Last game of the regular season. 130 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: They were upset by Michigan, Yet they turned around and 131 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: won the College Fall Playoff. 132 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: That just happened. 133 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by the way, He described two teams playing 134 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: on a neutral site in some bizarre time welocome to 135 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: the College Wall playoff. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed All Ball. 136 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Continue to download and listen. More great content to come. 137 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottliebin. 138 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: This is All Ball.